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next crescent
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the real main characater wave?

spare isle
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kurome was better than akame too

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oh

long peak
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What happened

next crescent
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someone sent a picture of anya at the museum and the dialogue where she pointed out how the statue was missing its head but there was a photoshopped image over the statue

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that would probably count as nsfw considering the blood

long peak
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Bruh

next crescent
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ye

long peak
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Kc do you like the terrifying tree homie

next crescent
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i love terrifying tree homie

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may i hug them

long peak
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I'm not sure

hot notch
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What's the sauce on the terrifying tree homie

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My biggest problem with doga being the studio is that most of their stuff doesn't match OnK's vibe at all. It doesn't need animation to sell comedy because comedy isn't the focus (||It might help them for some of Mem's stuff but that's about it||).

spare isle
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That was more for Kaguya

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Doga generally just don’t butcher stuff like a-1 do

shadow knot
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I couldn’t care enough for that studio anyways whether they butcher stuff or does something justice cuz they adapt a lot of shit ion care about k_holyfuck

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but again hearing them adapting quite a popular series, I be keeping tabs

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especially being caught up to its manga and liking it for the most part, some ppl even say it’s better than kaguya atm LMAO

long peak
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Honestly pretty good so far

shadow knot
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lmk what you think of the ending, cuz that's like the only criticism I hear for that series

spare isle
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Don’t think it would take much for something to be better than kaguya it’s pretty mid if you’re not into that flavor of ott Japanese humor

shadow knot
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it gets pretty seinen past s3 iirc and that's where ppl start calling it peak

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the references in s2 and s3 can get meta at times tho so I didn't mind staying for the ride

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gave both series a 7 tho

shadow knot
craggy mango
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Sorry anya, but River Plate >>>

cold snow
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Best anime wallpaper in history

dusty prism
craggy mango
shadow knot
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anyone know what manga this is

spare isle
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Dungeon meshi

craggy mango
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I never knew T in Twilight was meant for Toretto

spare isle
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when the tweet that pic is from is making fun of how cringe the joke is but its in line with every other sxf meme ever made

craggy mango
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Chakku mad at mega hit series again A_CryLaughTao

shadow knot
spare isle
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and this is in a universe where persona fans exist

spare isle
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damn wtf initial d toyota propaganda trying to make me hate civics

sonic echo
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Quality dropped so hard

spare isle
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oof

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i thought it got bad after like 3 eps in s1, is that s2?

cold snow
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Komi can’t communicate is like any other romance anime

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boring asf

cold snow
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Although nothing can beat the ultimate legendary anime code geass

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and maybe the fate series

woeful sonnet
spare isle
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this but unironically

woeful sonnet
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Who said it was ironic 💀

spare isle
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this is why that group b meme is so good

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take anime memes and apply peak rally kino

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infinitely better

woeful sonnet
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It's morbin time A_PainTao

hidden jay
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if this goes on 1 chapter further I'll drop this A_smolhutao

hoary elbow
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Wow

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I mean no offense but Im impressed you still read that

ember cairn
frank musk
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im just here to see how low the author will stoop for this series to continue

sonic echo
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just finished binging grisaia in one go

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haven't been satisfied like this in a while

shadow knot
craggy mango
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If you guys want to watch Kaguya Sama latest episode, i suggest you to use headphone for maximum sensation

topaz linden
craggy mango
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Yes

woeful sonnet
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I'm at school and haven't been able to watch it

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Now I'm concerned 😟

craggy mango
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Just avoid any spoiler then until you get home

sonic echo
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Tickled for me

woeful sonnet
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that was such a good episode 😩

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and it's looking like the next two are gonna be just as good

shadow knot
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nice episode indeed

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||asmr go hard frfr||

woeful sonnet
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||literally better asmr than the actual asmr anime||

spare isle
shadow knot
spare isle
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ayo shiny colors peaking

restive rune
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Spoiler: ova s2

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I think Kobayashi maid dragon will have s3

spare isle
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more wasted time for kyoani staff

woeful sonnet
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I really want a new kyoto ani product I can get excited about :(

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funny cause dragon maid is literally one of the shows that got me back into anime C_KEKTao

shadow knot
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it'd be pretty cool if witch hat atelier gets adapted by kyoani cuz why not

next crescent
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wait is kyoto animation back up after the fire?

woeful sonnet
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has been for a while

next crescent
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oh

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i had no idea

frank musk
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their next new project is still TBA

next crescent
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gotcha

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thank you

woeful sonnet
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they've done a couple violet evergarden things and dragon maid things since then

next crescent
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ooooh okay

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cool

frank musk
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ouch i looked into it, the status of that said project is unknown due to the fire

next crescent
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oh rip

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okay

woeful sonnet
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I lost all hope for a hyouka s2 after the 10 year anniversary passed D_ZhongSobCool

next crescent
spare isle
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they did the sequel violet evergarden movie after the fire and its pretty obviously lower quality than the side story movie they did before it

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but yeah cringe pdoshit like dragon maid really isn't deserving of their talent

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witch hat would be sick

next crescent
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it's understandable if the movie was lower animation quality after the fire considering over 30 people died and all their equipment was destroyed

spare isle
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yeah

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||would have been better if they didnt do it at all and avoided retconning the end of the tv series||

jagged pilot
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the art in violet evergarden is so good asjkfgsd

next crescent
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ye

spare isle
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animation aside the side story movie was just so much better

next crescent
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but they were saying something about another movie for evergarden i think?

spare isle
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didnt they already cover all the novel

next crescent
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i have no idea

next crescent
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i haven't seen violet evergarden past the movie from like 2018

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or 2019 whenever it came out

spare isle
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yeah the 2020 movie was the worse one

next crescent
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the one in that gif?

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or is that the other one you said it lower quality

spare isle
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the gif is from the 2019 movie

next crescent
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my memory is horrible so times get jumbled in my head

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ah okay thank you

spare isle
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2020 movie is what happens after the tv series 2019 one is a side story about some new characters

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though i think chronologically is after the tv series too

next crescent
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oooh okay

shadow knot
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the sequel movie should conclude everything

spare isle
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the tv series already did

shadow knot
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the very ending they changed up something tho compared to the novel

spare isle
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was unironically better than the novel in that regard till they decided to undo it with the movie

shadow knot
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the tv series alone is fine, setting personal thoughts aside

spare isle
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me and the boys after ep20 of first stage

rustic dome
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hi=)

shadow knot
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I think I fw First Stage the most just cuz random 1998 aesthetics mood and it feels very Initial D or something

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but the other seasons are great and consistent af

spare isle
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id like if they would put some spotlight on other drivers cuz its a bit too shounen for the most part

rustic dome
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I'm in here for a long time but I don't chat in this sever:<

spare isle
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every arc is basically takumi is the greatest ever and someone is challenging him

shadow knot
rustic dome
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'-')

shadow knot
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especially Stage 4 because that's where it's more

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uhh

rustic dome
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Oh=)))

shadow knot
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racing oriented

spare isle
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none of the character backgrounds or explanations on how they got so good are believable at all lmao

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takumi delivers tofu at 4am and his dad put a cup on water in there so naturally he decided to gun it and drift corners

shadow knot
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I mean lets face it an ae86 against other cars with much higher horsepower in reality?

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that's cap

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but I suspended my belief to see where the battles go

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MF Ghost however is something I find more difficult to turn off my brain

spare isle
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it was believable for like

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his battle against the r32 when he'd get way outpaced on the straights but catch up on corners because he would hit them much faster

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but something like the cat and mouse with the silveighty was uh

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yeah

shadow knot
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mhmm

spare isle
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speaking of

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girls practice drifting for like a year or two and are somehow leagues above literally anyone else who drives that track

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ok

shadow knot
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actually nuts

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to be fair it's two girls instead of one !

spare isle
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also the implication of whats going on with takumi's love interest and the mercedes driver is uh

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something i know is gonna piss me off lmao

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seo kouji type beat fr

shadow knot
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yeah fuck that girl

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2nd Stage will delve into that

spare isle
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where can i find me a set of tires like the ones in initial d that literally never wear down

woeful sonnet
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maybe those nasa spring tires

coarse cloak
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Anyone here read re-zero LN?

shadow sleet
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kaguya sama next ep wen

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yoo next season in packed

shadow knot
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summer 2022 seems interesting but fall 2022 is mega stacked for shounen fans

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hyped for mob s3

shadow sleet
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good to know that spy x family is getting an s2 right next season

frank musk
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Oh no no

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ThEy CaLl ThAt ThE 2nD cOuR

next crescent
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hush

spare isle
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No it’s a poor interpretation of western culture so they’ll call it season like aot

shadow knot
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[Project Announcement Countdown Begins]
6 days from now, we’re announcing a new project we have been working on!

This new project will be the culmination of the experiences and animation skills acquired from over 100 shows we’ve been involved on.

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spare isle
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Ayo?

calm merlin
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Lord Momonosuke has fully pitched his first tent

shadow knot
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shit had me dead

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screams “you zoomers need to experience our boomer animes and witness how crucial and influential it is in laying out the foundations of modern anime today Joe_angry” energy

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like goddamn just watch what you wanna watch and don’t mind what others check out

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any anime has their own quirk and thing, if it don’t vibe with one then it don’t and just move on to another
don’t force someone to watch something y’know

spare isle
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Bro really just attributed something like healing to isekai what

shadow knot
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funny ass thread

spare isle
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I think it’s good to watch a range of things to get perspective

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Brooo he did not just bring theory of relativity into drifting lmfaoo

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Gdi

shadow knot
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think I remember that

spare isle
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Next time on initial d takumi races against god and wins

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Thanks Japan

shadow knot
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unless it’s banter of course

spare isle
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Nah but when you see someone saying sxf is the greatest thing ever masterpiece it’s like oh you sweet child you have so much to learn lmao

shadow knot
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I get that

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mostly feel like it’s from the social media heads that are active on twitter and tiktok

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they shill whatever’s trending

spare isle
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Somehow it’s been like that before the social media stuff though to a degree

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But yeah not nearly as bad

shadow knot
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ever since corona I see a lot of anime fans like that now

spare isle
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But damn if all your recs come from like gigguk or some other unfunny internet person then I’d actually be inclined to give you some Reddit chart of must watch stuff for a balanced diet

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As cringe as those can be

shadow knot
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I think the way I entered watching and reading animanga as a hobby from back then to now has been casually sporadic

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and neither factors has been from mainstream anitubers, so, thank goodness on that part lol

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was like
watching anime on tv in the 2000s -> watching anime clips on youtube -> irl friends recommended me to watch Citrus and QQ and Bokuben and shit k_holyfuck

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-> finding anime with baller soundtracks and watching them

spare isle
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My cousin showed me funnyjunk and then that led to 4chan in like 03/04 and it was inevitable after that

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Tho tbh it’s almost unavoidable in any internet community

shadow knot
spare isle
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Like 20% minimum pfps are gonna be anime

shadow knot
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yeah it do be like that

spare isle
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On any site

shadow knot
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like anyone I talk to here and in a lot of servers I chill in has an anime pfp

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but then again maybe because they’re all anime related servers duh!

spare isle
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Do be funny when they’re chastised on Twitter for it tho

shadow knot
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bruh these MAL threads are so funny

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I don't Think Jjk Is Overrated
It's Just Watch By a MAjority OF peoples

spare isle
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Cope

shadow knot
spare isle
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They’d probably delete the thread if you said that about fmab C_TaoHehe

shadow knot
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Fate stay night is just a P— game that fans of the Franchise like to Overthink

spare isle
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Actually true tho

shadow knot
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exactly

spare isle
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It’s not even a good series to nerd out over historical figures because it does nothing but turn them into fapbait

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Kotomine the goat tho

civic creek
civic creek
spare isle
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There’s practically nothing relevant about the historic figure they’ve turned into something to fawn over aside from their np occasionally

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It’s on the level of azur lane

civic creek
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it depends, some are treated with a lot of respect/acuracy like yagyu or roland

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others are absolutely murdered like altera or nero

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but yeah fgo was a mistake,

spare isle
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Plus that quote is spot on for hollow ataraxia and 90% of sn

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Other than exposition for hf there’s zero reason for fate route to exist it’s so fucking bad

civic creek
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and fate route introduces all of the characters and mechanics, and gets you to see how insane shirou is, while the following routes show him trying to become a more functional human being

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still agree about it being the weakest route

spare isle
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he's not really insane he's just stupid and that never really changes

civic creek
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i haven't tried HA yet so i can't comment on that

spare isle
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except for hf where he actually kind of develops a purpose

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and has something driving him other than a misinterpretation of his predecessor's ideals

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HA is basically just an oversized fandisc

civic creek
spare isle
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yeah he's dumb as shit

civic creek
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and shirou actually ended up happy unlike his edgelord father

spare isle
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he also goes to bed at 3am and wakes up at 3:30am to start making his banquet of a breakfast every morning

civic creek
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i wouldn't call someone with survivors guilt dumb. There's plenty of reasons to call shirou dumb, but that isn't the one. Fair enough about the food comments

spare isle
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nasu writing truly is peak fiction with such scenes as

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lol i killed you so hard i took 7 of your lives in one blow

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if they could take the gilgamesh stuff from ubw and fit it into hf there'd really be no reason for ubw to exist either rin and archer are such shitty characters

civic creek
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but at least you read the vn, know what you are talking about, and have actual arguments unlike 95% of the guys criticizing the franchise. Fair enough about the nasu comment, he's a big chuuni and i understand why some people don't liek it

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what don't you like about those 2 ?

spare isle
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archer's entire character is baffling like he's just an edgelord because he's seen some shit and gave up on trying to be unrealistically selfless?

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rin is a cookie cutter tsundere who only barely becomes useful in hf near the end and otherwise exists as an exposition dump for grail war rules

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as far as chuuni goes nasu cant hold a candle to masada

civic creek
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rin being just a tsundere is a bit of a stretch, the fandom focuses in that aspect (which to be fair is still a big part of a character) but that's not all of it. As for masada, yeah i heard his reputation even if i haven't tried his stuff yet

spare isle
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tbh i would have liked if fate/prototype got the same treatment as knk did it could have been good and done a lot better than the story rewritten to suit eroge fans

civic creek
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fate proto is a big cope imo, ayaka is boring as shit, manaka is a villain sue and arthur is just shirou without an expanation for his personality. People think that the mc being a female woukd magicaly make it good but ithink that while it would remove the fanservicy aspects of the tsory, the final result would be bland.

spare isle
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doesn't rin straight up kill shirou in some early bad endings? ive forgotten now but i feel like i remember her suddenly being head over feels for him later on which felt like it made no sense

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regarding prototype idk its hard to tell because it was so short and didnt get much time

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certainly knk is leagues above tsukihime

civic creek
# spare isle doesn't rin straight up kill shirou in some early bad endings? ive forgotten now...

I forgot, i think she just removes his memory. But yeh of the 3 romances, hers felt the most unatural. For proto, there's fragments of blue and silver that's a prequel, but it was written by sakurai not nasu so who knows. Anyway have a nice day, sorry for starting the conversation so agresively, i'm too used to people paroting the same memes instead of using actual arguments like you ended up doing

spare isle
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speaking of unnatural the way she forces herself into the h scenes of fate route is uh

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well all the h scenes are comedy gold but

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that made the least sense to me

civic creek
spare isle
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they seem so out of place and forced in there lol

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only heavens feel ones make any sense

civic creek
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usual asumption is that he only added them since most vns of that time had some, but we'll never know for sure

spare isle
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nasu prob had enough time to actually give those some thought on how they'd be plot relevant

craggy mango
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Sxf just delivered ||the best dodgeball game since hxh which i forget when was that||

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||those dragonball and mission impossible references were unnecessarily good|| 💀

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civic creek
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The movies are indeed a bit prétentions, but way less than their detractors say. I must also be the only guy who didn't sleep during movie 8

shadow knot
shadow knot
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I mean I thought it’s a decent epilogue but obviously not movie 5 and 7 peak ofc

shadow knot
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based

ember cairn
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bruh, wtf happened with the latest Komi ep? A_HuMonkaS

sonic echo
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Boruto reprised his role in spy x family today

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Also rasengan

ember cairn
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it looks like they didnt had time to animate it and asked Studio Deen to do it

sonic echo
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Sad they arent at 2nd yr arc yet

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Thats where it peaks then its all downhill from there

ember cairn
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Like, what the hell is this? E_KEKpat

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sorry for the random Portuguese C_TaoHehe

hollow imp
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Can you recommend me some action manga with system

topaz linden
ember cairn
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i'm assuming they mean a power system

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like the Nen in HxH

ember cairn
spare isle
spare isle
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Only one ball in play? This whole dodgeball scene is 80% talking

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💤

shadow knot
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better than hxh dodgeball tbh

spare isle
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Not a high bar

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this show has been on a steady decline since the castle episode

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bro what is this kongming riff hooly

shadow knot
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jesus christ there're so many of them that idk LOL

spare isle
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lol trigger doing a cyberpunk anime

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do you think netflix money will actually give them the opportunity to make something decent for once

spare isle
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facts

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hope it gets another season

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kabe makes me want to listen to the initial d op again and again lmao

shadow knot
long peak
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Sad

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TW: d*ath ||Billy Kametz passed away today||

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I'm gonna miss his dubs and voice

shadow knot
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rip

topaz linden
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Looks like the new Hololive PV is just as "way better animated than it has any right to be" as the last one https://youtu.be/fRsjv-JKyf8

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🅰️

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crap wrong emote

mighty cape
ember cairn
mighty cape
spare isle
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hard to believe the same studio doing komi is doing summer time render

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still no mention of an ost let alone a release date though that sucks

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hoashi/monaca are killing it

shadow sleet
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Komi s3 wen

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and MT s3

topaz linden
dim vine
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Magic school arc

topaz linden
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Don't get me wrong, not the worst arc, but ||Turning Point 3 is a much better "Season finale"||

dim vine
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Well I wouldn’t be surprised if they did hit another 2 cour since it seemed to work well the first time

topaz linden
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The show certainly did well enough to justify it. That and the LN is wrapping up soon (the JP version at least), so go big or go home

topaz linden
# shadow sleet What where

【無職転生2期制作決定!】

『#無職転生 ~異世界行ったら本気だす~』
TVアニメ第2期の制作が決定!

第2期ではルーデウスはどんなドラマを、
どんな冒険を繰り広げるのかー!

放送時期など詳細・続報は後日発表。お楽しみに!

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topaz linden
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I'll be hyped if it gets a two cour. Otherwise itll be "Please do well so we get another season" nervousness 👀

spare isle
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Is there any question about it doing well

topaz linden
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Wait, I guess if they include the depressed arc they might be fine

spare isle
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Unless it looks like berserk 2016 it’s bottom feeder content it will absolutely sell well

topaz linden
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Next 12ish episodes*

shadow sleet
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Is there also an eris movie coming out or did i mishear that

topaz linden
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There was an Eris OVA episode that came out with the Bluray

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That aired a while ago

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Was decent (very nice Eris content)

spare isle
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They can always supplement action with fanservice

shadow sleet
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Not an an actual movie?

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I probs mixed it with something else

topaz linden
topaz linden
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There's a few other anime getting movies, so probably a mixup

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Hm, now that I think about it, they could also include content from the spinoff series as well if they really wanted more action. ||Eris|| is having some fun drama during that time period.

shadow sleet
spare isle
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People were impressed by the sxf dodgeball scene which was 80% talking so it’s easy enough to do on a budget

spare isle
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Worst case just pull an aot and do a charging shot pan with some movement lines along the sides of the frame

shadow sleet
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Cant believe i thought she couldve pulled it off

topaz linden
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The anime references were very on the nose lol

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Think with how heavily they referenced them, they had to have gotten permission, cause they straight up used the ||Planet Namek|| background from ||Dragonball|| for one of the bits.

spare isle
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Don’t think you can copyright that

topaz linden
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I dont see why not? It's very clearly meant to evoke the original, and Japan is much stricter on these sort of things than the US (there's pretty much no "fair use" laws over there). Animes are usually very hesitant to make overt references like that for a reason.

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Though in this case, I suspect the two series both being under Shonen Jump is probably what made it easier to get permission.

spare isle
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Uh they aren’t stricter lol

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Doujin content couldn’t exist if it was

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They wouldn’t have much grounds for claiming copyright on a background design either

topaz linden
# spare isle Doujin content couldn’t exist if it was

It exists because Japan has slightly different rules on enforcement than the US.

In the US, it's "use it or lose it" as far as protection goes, so companies have to go after an infringement as soon as they're aware of it.
Japan lets authors pick and choose, so most don't go after doujinshis.

spare isle
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It’s not just doujinshi it’s doujin content in general

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It’s not just that they don’t go after them

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Like yeah how convenient nobody has tried to claim copyright after 100 comiket events

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When it’s a huge market

ember cairn
topaz linden
# spare isle When it’s a huge market

Because, as pretty much every article on the topic will repeat:
A. It's free advertising for them.
B. The people making doujin very often are the next generation of artists and writers who end up working for those companies in the future.
C. There's an unspoken agreement between the two that doujin sales remain small-scale - anything larger in scale should be official.

topaz linden
# spare isle Like yeah how convenient nobody has tried to claim copyright after 100 comiket e...

They have, but for the reasons above, have generally stopped.
A Wired article for more details:

The violations at Super Comic City were so brazen and the scale so huge — by day's end, some 300,000 books sold in cash transactions totaling more than $1 million — that just about any US media company would have launched a full-metal lawsuit to shut the market for good.

Why aren't Japanese publishers doing the same? I posed that question to two of the main organizers of Japan's dojinshi gatherings, Kouichi Ichikawa and Keiji Takeda.

"Obviously, there are copyright issues at play here," Ichikawa said. When the markets expanded beyond the clutch of early adopters in the 1980s and 1990s, publishers and authors made threatening noises, and some accused successful dojinshi circles of violating copyright law. But lately, as the markets have reached such enormous scale, the big publishing houses have taken a different approach.

"This is something that satisfies the fans," Ichikawa said. "The publishers understand that this does not diminish the sales of the original product but may increase them. So they don't come down here and shut it down."

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As recently as a decade ago, he told me, creators of popular commercial works sometimes cracked down on their dojinshi counterparts at Super Comic City. "But these days," he said, "you don't really hear about that many publishers stopping them."

"Why not?" I asked.

They have an understanding, he said, using a phrase I'd encounter again and again: anmoku no ryokai, meaning essentially "unspoken, implicit agreement."

"The dojinshi are creating a market base, and that market base is naturally drawn to the original work," he said. Then, gesturing to the convention floor, he added, "This is where we're finding the next generation of authors. The publishers understand the value of not destroying that." And as the manga weeklies falter and decline, new talent is more important than ever. Meanwhile, Takeda said, the dojinshi creators honor their part of this silent pact. They tacitly agree not to go too far — to produce work only in limited editions and to avoid selling so many copies that they risk cannibalizing the market for original works.

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Add on that most doujins sell at a loss, and it's pretty easy to see why there's not a huge rush to crack down on them.

next crescent
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It took Jake more than 1 minute to scrounge this up which means you somehow got him to open a new tab he didn't already have open with this information amongst his plethora of eternally accessable tabs A_HuLurk

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I thought he had the info of the world at his fingertips instantaneously but you somehow did it

shadow sleet
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Ah yes a wired article

topaz linden
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ultimately settled on the "simple to understand for everyone else reading this, even if it wont get past this guy" approach

spare isle
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Not to mention the idea that they could claim copyright on backgrounds that resemble a bunch of anime from the 80s/90s is absurd

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And you definitely can’t copyright claim a meme

topaz linden
spare isle
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Because they’re fair use and if the content is recognizable because of a meme you didn’t create as opposed to your own ip then it’s an even looser argument to be made

topaz linden
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It's one of the key differences between US and Japanese copyright law, and one of the key ways the Japanese law is stricter than its US counterpart.

spare isle
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except nothing that was used was intellectual property of the db license holders

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did dragon ball have to get permission every time they destroyed a bunch of rock and used near identical animation to anime that preceded it

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besides what you posted would support the idea that it would be nonsense to go after them for something like that and it would make anime production a legal minefield for any gag series

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no doubt gintama couldn't exist

next crescent
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What exactly is this argument about

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Why did it start

spare isle
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the ridiculous idea that wit/cloverworks would need to get permission to make a dragon ball reference in their spy x family episode

next crescent
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Oh

topaz linden
# spare isle besides what you posted would support the idea that it would be nonsense to go a...

It is a legal minefield tho.
Gintama mostly parodies other Shonen Jump series, and where they parodied non-Shonen Jump shows, they've generally gotten permission from the companies iirc. (That and a similar situation to the doujin, where its free marketing for the other ones)

Though they have had episodes pulled before for unapproved parodies that went too far.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-18/tv-tokyo-decided-to-pull-gintama-episode-on-its-own

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But well, at this point the goalposts have shifted several times, so I'll leave it at that.

spare isle
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yeah that's not at all relevant to anything discussed here so

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would pay to read the article you link

next crescent
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Okay so we're gonna stop before any arguments/inconsiderate talk starts froggy

shadow knot
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new argument

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pui pui molcar is the best anime to ever exist

topaz linden
spare isle
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ngl coming from crest, banner of the stars has been a bit disappointing

shadow knot
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looks mid, watch captain tylor instead frfr

spare isle
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crest is great

shadow knot
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or continue initial deez nuts worryDasRight

spare isle
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problem with banner is they spend so little time actually showing anything happening

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up until like ep10 most of the small battles were like 90% done through a radar screen

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which was a bit disappointing

shadow knot
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oh

spare isle
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love the op and ed tho

shadow knot
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I checked if anyone else peeped the series and most've only seen crest

spare isle
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crest is big worth

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i've heard that banner 2 is better though so i'll see how that goes

spare isle
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damn ok these last couple of eps have done a 180 on my criticisms lmao

obsidian isle
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Also Nagatoro is a perfect example of the Doujin to Mangaka pipeline

spare isle
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cool op/ed for sarazanmai but thats all it has going for it.. worse than penguindrum

dim vine
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Because you already know I’m isekai trash

sonic echo
sonic echo
dim vine
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Something definitely happened around the start. I didn’t realize it was THAT kind of isekai A_HuTaoStareIntense

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why does unreal engine take 120GBs

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even I think yurikuma is an inch better

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I like utena and penguindrum equally tho, and they the best imo

long peak
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Yo this mf fighting shrek

shadow knot
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holyy

long peak
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Also I love the art, it's so damn good

mighty cape
shadow knot
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I forgot all about pingu in the city holy crap

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yeah that one’s also considered an anime you’re right

mighty cape
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hoho

long peak
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She's good at directions catnod

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Anyways mei is adorable

long peak
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Yeah the giant is right here

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I'd imagine there's been quite a few comics

pale garden
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I just finished pretty boy detective club and really enjoyed it

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does anyone know other shows with a similar vibe?

spare isle
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Monogatari series prob since it’s by nisio

next crescent
shadow knot
long peak
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Cringe

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Let me stay

shadow knot
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Same

sonic echo
spare isle
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Speaking of cringe

dim vine
sonic echo
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Time to 🏴‍☠️

dim vine
pale garden
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I've watch Zaregoto and Monogatari already too aaaaaaaaaaaa

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i want more pretty boy detective

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i hope they make more of it

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the anime gets further than the translated source material so I can't just read the novels

pale garden
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that's zaregoto

craggy mango
dim vine
topaz linden
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Bookworm's final episode decided to troll a bit with its ending cards

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First one before the ED, second one after the ED, last one at the end of the after-credits scene 👀

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(Personally think that, endcard trolling aside, an S4 is unlikely. They had a lot of trouble getting just this 10 episode S3 produced, and its a good stopping point for the anime anyway)

woeful plinth
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you will never know this feeling

spare isle
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yeah cuz bullies don't get chastised like that irl

shadow sleet
nova karma
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any of you have gone to Saw Con?

sonic echo
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Saw con dese nuts?

nova karma
long peak
mighty cape
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Eva has impacted my mental health so much its A_HuNeutral A_HuNeutral A_HuNeutral

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The fact that Kawoshin is barely canon also makes me sad but tahts what fanart is for i guess

sonic echo
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saw con sounds like a legitimate con for some reason

next crescent
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Because there's a con for everything

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For all we knew it could've been a convention exclusively for chainsaw man or something

shadow knot
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old joke tbh !!

next crescent
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Is it as old as me though catthink

shadow knot
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are you like 4 years old

next crescent
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N-no

shadow knot
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@ mods yo kc breaking tos frfr

next crescent
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LOL

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I mean there is a 4 in my age but it's not the only number in my age FeelsStrongMan

sonic echo
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04

next crescent
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...

shadow knot
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lol

next crescent
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...maybe

next crescent
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Closer

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Wait no I can't math

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Slightly further

shadow knot
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104

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the 1 is silent

next crescent
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LMAO

toxic schooner
shadow knot
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based post

dim vine
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I thought Gurren Lagann was fun

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||King Kittan Giga Drill Breaker A_HuPanik A_HuCry2 ||

spare isle
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💀

mighty cape
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Should i still watch the eva rebuilds

spare isle
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Well if you like kaworu Shinji shipping you’ll love the third rebuild

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I take it you watched eoe

mighty cape
spare isle
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They don’t

mighty cape
spare isle
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They weren’t ever meant to anyway

mighty cape
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Was shinji meant to be alone forever

spare isle
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No he likes women

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And ends up with one

mighty cape
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Was kaworu a woman all along

mighty cape
spare isle
mighty cape
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Rei is npc energy

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Asuka is well

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Trauma incarnate

spare isle
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They don’t take long to watch you may as well

mighty cape
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Kaworu was nice but somehow most mlm couples just end in tragedy

spare isle
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Plus Rei is literally a clone of his mother that would be a bit weird but I guess not out of the question for Japan

mighty cape
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Rei is just kinda there

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Cant really understand kaworu and shinji relationship even the production team seems torn on it

spare isle
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He’s just latching on to a moral support figure he desperately seeks

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Asuka is everything wrong with women energy

mighty cape
spare isle
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Yeah gay as fuck for Misato he just like me fr 😭

mighty cape
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Isnt misato a girl

spare isle
mighty cape
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How do you become gay for a girl

spare isle
next crescent
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you find out you're a lesbian and then you're gay for a girl

shadow knot
shadow knot
mighty cape
shadow knot
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it's not as cynical as the series + eoe

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if that means anything

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like it's similar themes
but it takes a more optimistic approach and delivers a happy ending

spare isle
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Anno was depressed during the original run and wasn’t during rebuilds so

next crescent
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LMAO just watched the spy x family episode from a few days ago

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i love how stupid this show can get

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but i also appreciate how accurately they went for how grand and over-the-top a child's imagination can get sometimes

long peak
next crescent
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i'm 24 for the next month and a half

long peak
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You lied to me

next crescent
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i think i've mostly said i'm almost 25

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not actually 25

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right? ACry

long peak
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You said you were the same age as Jake

next crescent
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or did i say "i am 25" at some point

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OH

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DID I

long peak
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Ye

next crescent
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OH I'M ALMOST THE SAME AGE AS HIM MY BDAY IS NEXT MONTH

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DJYRSHE

long peak
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I'm gonna throw you a party

next crescent
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thank you kindly mr golden sir KannaPat

topaz linden
next crescent
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SHH

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DTJYRH

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i was always the youngest in my class anyway, i'm somewhat used to it LOL

shadow sleet
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Just started watching how not to summon a demon lord

next crescent
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thank you sir

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the headpat is appreciated, senpai

long peak
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What do I get

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I'm younger than both of you by half a decade (in kcs case)

next crescent
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you're my kouhai

topaz linden
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I have the power of both lore and anime on my side

long peak
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Just wait jake

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I'll be on lore team soon

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Then you don't get that privilege

topaz linden
next crescent
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not on my watch A_HuTaoGun

long peak
next crescent
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also he'd still be both your and my senpai

long peak
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Well uh

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How can I bullshit this

next crescent
shadow knot
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you guys are literally the spongebob meme

hot notch
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You know I thought TR was getting back on track and then it just shits on us again.

next crescent
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jyuftdhrsg

long peak
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Shut up old people

next crescent
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shut up, children A_HuLurk

long peak
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I'm not a child

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Tbf

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At least give me that credit

shadow knot
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what are you then

hot notch
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Yea I'm the child here. Don't lump me in with him.

next crescent
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also LOL liger

long peak
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I'm 19 man

next crescent
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CHILD

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i might as well call you a baby since i call moth a baby

long peak
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MOTH IS A REAL BABY

next crescent
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NO UR BOTH BABIES

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now end of discussion because this is #・anime A_HuLurk

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goodnight!

mighty cape
hoary elbow
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bennet and raiden are siblings

mighty cape
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We need a decapitated Raiden calling out for Bennett

hoary elbow
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and where xiao decapitates her

spare isle
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is demon slayer just Genshin with terrible character designs and artwork

mighty cape
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Demon slayer is Genshin but it's only Inazuma

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Terrible character designs and artwork is subjective, literally the same culture as Inazuma

spare isle
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What’s Genshin but only liyue or dragonspine I’d much rather that

mighty cape
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Well, there's plenty of Chinese anime that takes place in ancient times

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So there's Genshin but Liyue only

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As for Dragonspine, anything that takes place in winter land

spare isle
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Doesn’t need to be Chinese just needs to not suck

mighty cape
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A lot of anime don't suck so there's that

long peak
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True

shadow knot
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anime sucks, morbius sweeps

long peak
surreal ridge
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minimodding? banned Nerdge /j

long peak
spare isle
misty imp
spare isle
sonic echo
next crescent
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Oh no

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If the lead they portray Saitama with can't be a skinny, muscle-less bald dude one moment and then huge, buff, and with like 5% fat the next, I don't want it smh

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okay but seriously what is it with people making live action versions of popular shows in anime LOL

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Idk if that is real or not but it still applies to past films like death note

craggy mango
sonic echo
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Since asian characters can only be played by asian people now, probably Asian The Rock

sonic echo
severe tinsel
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this art is cleannnnnn

shadow knot
shadow knot
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because Rouge goes damn crazy

severe tinsel
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yesss

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innocent rouge

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it was in my to read list and i had time

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its so beautifully detailed

shadow knot
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fr it goes hard

shadow knot
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a-1 pictures my goat

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mc really got the naofumi drip

next crescent
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why'd the thumbnail change in the 10 seconds i wasn't looking

spare isle
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damn dude dropped before i even picked it up as soon as that music kicked in

shadow knot
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they were about to kiss in the thumbnail and I'm like "hmm does this count as 'slight nsfw'"

next crescent
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oh lol

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fair enough

spare isle
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it's fair game if it's not hand holding

shadow knot
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also chakku cencoroll is pretty fire

shadow knot
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banned

spare isle
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did cencoroll 2 come out yet i stopped following it after it got delayed for the 500th time because of digimon

shadow knot
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if you're talking about

spare isle
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oh nice now we're waiting forever for cencoroll 3

shadow knot
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the one that came out in 2019

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then yeah

spare isle
#

yeah i lost track i mean

#

2 was announced forever ago, 1 aired in 2009

shadow knot
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I'm watching that rn
they just merged the first part with the new animation in cencoroll 2

shadow knot
spare isle
#

true

shadow knot
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but yeah literally one dude animated the series so I get that

spare isle
#

cencoroll still has nagi era supercell

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pretty pog

shadow knot
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fire

spare isle
#

this was a b-side on the bakemonogatari ed single lol

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getting your b-side on some other project is pretty chad energy

next crescent
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handholding

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also i love supercell

spare isle
#

yeah speaking of that gif ngl that show is a guilty pleasure of mine

next crescent
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lol

spare isle
#

both accurate reviews i must say

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duality of man

shadow knot
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supercell? yeah bro they made my fav games clash of clans clash royale boom beach hay day and brawl stars

spare isle
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i can't see clash of clans the same way anymore after all these dall-e generations

next crescent
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idk what either of you are talking about but i like their songs

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i used to love playing this one on osu

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the full version

spare isle
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i still dont know what ryo was smoking for the psycho pass ed

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which has some of the worst mastering i've ever heard

next crescent
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lol

spare isle
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no that's actually how it sounds

next crescent
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ooh egoist

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oh you're right

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it sounds cronchy

spare isle
#

its so flat

shadow knot
next crescent
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oooh

spare isle
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nagi supercell > chelly supercell any day

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can't believe jun maeda wrote violet evergarden before it existed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZzLZbwRTE

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shadow knot
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swear I heard that moosic somewhere

spare isle
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became a pretty big meme in japan

shadow knot
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yep no wonder

spare isle
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usually preceded by the spyair op

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cute

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why i cry when listening to dango family

next crescent
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sobbing

edgy swallow
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Not specifically anime but progress on my Tōshirō hitsugaya cosplay
(Bleach shonen jump)

sonic echo
woeful plinth
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demon slayer

frank musk
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fairy tail

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the series lives and breathes on that

noble sierra
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Every average shounen anime

ember cairn
sonic echo
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When Yamai is better animated than Komi

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also what she did for this episode

hidden jay
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oshi no ko worth reading?

craggy mango
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Yes

shadow knot
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just realized remy’s gone

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from this server

#

no more spoiling sxf ||truck kun|| cartoon posting anymore

shadow knot
next crescent
#

Oh they are? ACry

woeful sonnet
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the wicked witch is dead

shadow knot
spare isle
#

or rants about manga being better

shadow knot
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ahem YukiPray it’s clearly glasses visual novels 💻 and 😳 light novels RamSmug remspin

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and k_flushedcool web 🕸️ novels RistAAAAAAA

spare isle
spare isle
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el classico

spare isle
spare isle
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it's not really about the music to begin with

long peak
next crescent
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K-on

spare isle
#

k-on definitely isn't about music lmao

next crescent
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Idk I just remember a girl with a guitar

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LOL

spare isle
#

that was the jebait

next crescent
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I've never seen it but I always assumed it was about music

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Ah rip

spare isle
#

it was just school girls doing sweet fuck all and using music club as an excuse for it

next crescent
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Oooh okay

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Sort of like how Clannad had kids in the drama club but there was only ever one actual play

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And everything else was just slice of life schoolyard stuff

spare isle
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i think they drank tea and ate cakes more than they played any music

next crescent
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LOL

spare isle
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even haruhi's club did more club activities

#

thats why girls und panzer blew up, people expected k-on and they got the polar opposite

#

they're still drinking tea though

next crescent
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LMAO

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okay fair enough

shadow knot
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k-on looks peak

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gotta watch

spare isle
#

mans will watch pure cgdct anime but won't watch tank anime because it's cgdct when it isn't pensivewobble

shadow knot
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also bro

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@spare isle

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fucking nuts

spare isle
#

ayo

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my friend keeps harassing me to watch trigun but we need to finish komi s1 first PepeLaughW

shadow knot
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yeah watch it and lmk

#

crazy how more than half of the double cour is filler and it's still solid

spare isle
#

based orange knows they are the best in the biz

next crescent
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studio orange has done some good fucking work tbh

shadow knot
#

yeah it's been a while maybe they packing huge with this one

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i'll take it too cuz studio orange is a nice studio and seeing them give this series a shot will be very interesting
plus I like the og series too

next crescent
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yeee

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agreed

spare isle
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need another mech out of orange tbh hopefully something better written than majestic prince lol

sonic echo
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Got pinged by kid mod prank

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Is little busters good?

shadow knot
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seeing the scores my friends gave, you can probably find better anime out there

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@sonic echo

spare isle
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dropped 7/10 lmao

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did they forget to adjust it before dropping

shadow knot
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it's the usual "7 = mid" scale for him I think

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like most ppl when they rate animanga casually

sonic echo
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watched a clip on youtube where bullied girl almost kills the bullies and I thought it'd be interesting

shadow knot
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mahou shoujo site?

sonic echo
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it was a compilation vid. site was also there

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also

shadow knot
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lol i've seen this
usual "damn kazuya looks way better here" and shit

spare isle
#

Just watch school days obv

topaz linden
#

So most of my <7's end up being shows that started good and went shit too close to the end for me to cut my losses

shadow knot
#

lol yeah

topaz linden
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Got a bit more <7 manga tho, cause most of the shit ones get axed early, so I can finish them in an hour or two lol

shadow knot
#

makes me wonder and surprised how I can finish something and give it like a very low score (ie. below 4 and so on)

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but rating stuff is arbitruary anyways, like I can enjoy School Days because it's bad y'know and still give it a bad score cuz yeah that's just me

spare isle
#

Me wondering how I finished klk and kabaneri

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💀

topaz linden
#

What's klk short for again?

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oh wait

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nvm

#

kill la kill, yeh?

spare isle
#

The cope strat is you watch the bad to appreciate the good more

#

Yeah

shadow knot
#

there's this one guy I talk to who rates weirdly

#

like
a 3/10 is something he still enjoys

spare isle
#

Lest we forget verts list in the pins

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I’m still shook

shadow knot
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osamake at a 9

topaz linden
#

Like, 7-10 rating folks mess with the ratings by making it impossible to rate scales of shit.
This guy makes it impossible to tell what is even shit to begin with

shadow knot
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lol his ideology is that even the lowest score is something he'd enjoy because "he enjoys it enough to finish it" or something, and if he doesn't like such work then he drops it

topaz linden
#

I mean, I've finished a handful of things that I haven't enjoyed it all lol

#

Guess the dude's never had an anime go to hell past the point of sunk cost

shadow knot
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exactly it def doesn't work with me cuz I can dread through episodes cuz I'm built like htat

topaz linden
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I've had a few that were decent 7 or 8s drop to a 5 or worse after like 20 out of 25 episodes

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Finished those just cause I might as well at that point

shadow knot
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lit

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lol there'll be cases among my friends that they'll drop something they initially deem a high score cuz "I don't want this to end" k_holyfuck

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oof

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totally not me putting things off after 5 or 6 episodes "to binge when the season finishes" and forgetting about them KEK

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me with komi-san

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didn't bother to continue after 3 eps and now I forgot why I liked it in the first place

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The slap stick is so bad

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Did it with My Senpai is Annoying. Finally coming back to wrap that one up

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probably a few more I need to wrap up if I just look back through the seasonals

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my senpai is annoying is probably best looking doga kobo series I've seen

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Love lab bro

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so if I note that impression and apply it to Oshi no Ko

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Yeh, that was one I put off cause I was enjoying it and wanted to binge lol

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Peak sleeper show

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bunch of double and triple notes

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It dipped after the first two eps

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But yeah keeps getting worse

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# sonic echo

scenes like these recently is when more ppl start to notice

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don't think it's one of those "if you zoom in it looks bad" scenarios

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Yeh, its when it starts leaking into stills that people start to notice

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Smear frames have always looked wack

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First ep looked real good

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That was the end of it

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Used up all the trailer footage

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First episode had a much different tone than the rest of it imo

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Actually took itself and its premise in a more serious tone

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ye it prolly says a lot when I didn't continue after a few eps xd

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Shikimori may be just as bland but doga Kobo kept it consistent

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lemme check the stats rn

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good ol Trigger animation

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Sxf needs a hard reality check on mal

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I mean I'm enjoying what it got so idc too much

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# shadow knot it's sxf bro peak fiction

Tbh, Spy x Family won't be rated too highly from me as far as quality goes (good, but not anything particularly outstanding compared to other anime. Probably a 7ish for me if the ending lands)

But it's definitely secured its place at the top of my list for "beginner anime recommendations". And that's its strength really imo.

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100%

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Like, I can't really think of an anime I'd be more comfortable recommending to a non-anime watcher than it.

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FMAB used to more or less fill that slot, but even that was still somewhat limited by being more fantasy/magic focused

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this one's a bit of something for everyone

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I'm thinking for kaguya s3 and sxf at like a 7 (good) too

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kongming too

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summertime render might be a mix cuz it can go up or down since it has a lot more to go

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Think they used up all the peak fiction during the castle siege

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cuz yea it can get flashy at times

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for romcom/sol fans idk

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Now it’s basic as fuck and literal snooze fest when Anya isn’t on screen. The animators clearly want to have some fun with it but there’s no substance in the source material to actually compliment it at this point solid 6/10

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Connection killed my message

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Zz

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might just say bunny girl senpai cuz why not

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Ok there it is

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Delayed as fuck

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fr you late af

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Bunny Girl Senpai would be a hell of a first anime to watch KEK

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Was parking my car basement got no connection

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😔

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"damn what is this weird ass title"
13 eps later
"bro im sad"
movie later
"bro im cry"

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lowkey me when I first watched it

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(I also feel it kinda gains a lot of its strength from being a breath of fresh air compared to other anime relationships. That kinda gets lost if its your first watch)

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"Wait, you mean she doesnt suddenly storm out and try to break up with him at the mere mention of another girl's existance?"

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yeah that's the thing with my experience watching bunny girl senpai for the first time
it doesn't take itself very seriously for its interactions
and
I
LOVED
the fuck out of the vibes

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Crest of the stars is a huge breath of fresh air

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Platonic relationship at the forefront

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Imagine

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Bunny girl kinda felt like someone else’s attempt at oregairu

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  • the whole scene at the train station ||the "fight"||
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and I love it

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Don’t remember bake well enough

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but watching monogatari rn
I'd be eager to watch bunny girl for the 3rd time to see if my thoughts still hold up

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Sure as hell doesn’t do the “everyone speaks cryptic as fuck and everything is a pun” aspect of monogatari

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Bunny girl was coherent

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that's like enough for me

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to see why they compare

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Ig

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But yeah bunny girl doesn’t really reach the level of bake or oregairu in terms of writing and characters

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Kinda falls short there

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oh for sure there's not much "depth" per se

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Honestly, sometimes stories can benefit from that

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Yeah that’s prob a better way of putting f jt

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just felt like a fun and vibey watch from what I remember

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It’s super one dimensional in comparison

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and hey if I enjoy that
then I fw it

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I’m pretty sure I gave it a positive score

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as long as I enjoy something to where I can either just say fuck it, peak fiction or take a lot out of it and write multitides on why I enjoy it
then the anime did its job for me and that's that

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and aobuta did it to where I rewatched the series and movie twice and I still enjoy

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Damn

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which is crazy cuz considering my current stuff I like and so on I shouldn't be enjoying it that much

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I guess it takes that extra depth for me to really enjoy something more because things will otherwise struggle to stand out in the sea of anime pumped out every season

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but I left both at like 7s or 8s

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back then they'd be 9s and 10s