・anime

[high storm]

?
You are saying like it's contradictory, my imagination is always active I don't require a picture to have an idea of a thing, if there happens to be one that's cool

This is already such a turn off ngl

[edgy bone]

then play the pc port

[high storm]

I will just check if I can pirate it if I feel up to it

[edgy bone]

or use a pc emulator

either or

[high storm]

Been playing lots of Reus 2, Against the Storm, Age of Wonders 4

Time consuming stuff

[dusty fable]

These are good games, but not the ones I enjoyed most. Most VNs are about character development, so if you don't enjoy it, VNs wouldn't really be that interesting

[edgy bone]

i like watching lets plays of danganronpa but not actually playing it

[high storm]

VNs are just super dull (most are just still pictures as far as I know) in comparison what pure text might help me imagine

[edgy bone]

only vns i remember actually enjoying playing were all zero escape games (2nd one was my fav), first corpse party (which is moreso an rpgmaker type thing than a proper vn), and ghost trick (which also is mostly a puzzle game)

[high storm]

Think I've heard of corpse party before

[edgy bone]

i played it cuz a friend said it's one of their favorite ips and wanted to try

i was very pleasantly surprised

i didnt expect to like it as much as i did

kinda dissapointed sequels are just traditional vns tho

i liked the rpg maker top down move your character around type of gameplay

[high storm]

Oh it's fucking 10 years old no wonder I've heard of it

[edgy bone]

pewds played it back in the day

[high storm]

His playthrough would be at the time when I didn't even know English yet lol (10 years ago)

[edgy bone]

ah rip

i learned english by forcing myself to watch english youtubers so yea

[high storm]

I did that and played browser games

Still remember few shit gems I spent my fucking life years on

I miss Miscrits.....

[dusty fable]

The problem with VNs they are really slow burners. The best titles I know would take 5-10 hours before they finish the exposition and start something interesting

[edgy bone]

also wait kvit

you said you like pokemon

so you shouldnt have a problem with ds emulators no?

[high storm]

Sorry but that sounds seriously miserable, that's why I liked Lovecraft's works and Metamorphosis lol

[high storm]

I never owned a Nintendo console

Any console, for that matter

[edgy bone]

hence why i asked

[high storm]

Out of official ones I only ever played Pokemon emerald on my phone emulated

[edgy bone]

ah

rip

[high storm]

Yeah sucks being poor back in childhood

[dusty fable]

Not really. It's a delayed gratification, by setting up everything in the beginning authors are free to move with their story blazingly fast later on.

When manga stories often have pace drops at unfortunate moments in the middle of action

[edgy bone]

i mean i didnt have one either growing up

but i played on pc emulators a lot

[high storm]

I mean I agree somewhat but I always expect games in particular to show off their best most attractive part right away so I don't feel like I am wasting time, books can take as much setup as they want I don't really have huge problems with that but games either have to be super good or comically bad to be enjoyable imo

[high storm]

I think I already named the fan games I've played before, shit's is legit good and I still regularly watch like 1-2 YT people about pokemon, like WolfeyVGC

[edgy bone]

gotcha

[high storm]

Also I browser r/stunfisk

Legit fucking hilarious

[edgy bone]

if you need help with setting stuff up feel free to dm

[high storm]

Nah I am good for time being, wanna max out collection in Reus 2 and play few more campaigns in Age of Wonders 4 first

[dusty fable]

Understandable, when you have a lot of great content readily available nowadays. Though most of that content is generally inferior to what VNs could offer

[high storm]

Well that's some big words

Also I have a pet peeve with re-playing things which turns me off from "Unlock several endings" part

I for the love of god can not fucking stand doing the same thing twice in a video game, I dropped many games because I had to clean up the same boring enemies or farm some shit to infinity again and again or read same dialogue

Going in the same place in The Surge so often completely killed any will to play it despite how cool it looked

But that's a me problem

[dusty fable]

Well that's a demerit of VNs imo too. Though so e VNs have self sufficient story arcs without requiring you to replay for the true ending

[high storm]

Strongest contenders being Warframe and World of Warcraft

Both got so fucking boring after certain time

[dusty fable]

Not really, it's a valid point, some VNs just don't implement the system well

Tbh, very few implement it well, and those are mostly not represented in other media because it is notoriously hard to render that kind of story in other mediums

[high storm]

From few playthroughs I watched some seemed to have save points? Are they not the norm?

[dusty fable]

In some. Others have timelines. Others don't really branch out but just tell a story

It's not about having saves or not it's about making a second or third playthrough different enough to make it interesting. In any case, the most interesting VNs were able to provide you a sufficient story via one playthrough, and then you can get back to the game some time later and get a completely different POV and playthrough with different choices

[high storm]

I just really can't get same experience as before when re-do something, I only ever rewatched 1 anime (TTGL) and it was just the last few episodes, game would have to impress me just as much if not more for second playthrough to be engaging

[dusty fable]

That's the point of redoing something is not to get the same experience. If you don't obsess with the initial experience you got, the repeat would just be as good. But either a game need to provide that difference or your own POV change needs to provide that difference

[high storm]

That's why I like rpgs with factions tbh, Pillars of eternity as different faction is a different game

[dusty fable]

Well, VNs work the same. Making a different choice is like choosing a different faction for the most part. A lot of VNs have such a good development that making a couple different choices would provide you with a completely different set of ideals and views on events and characters

Anyway, I understand not being interested in VNs. With much love I have for VNs it is pretty hard to pick them up, so it's understandably more hard for someone who didn't experience VNs properly

The best solution would be to find a VN that you actually like, but VNs are so different that it's really hard to do

[high storm]

I am just kinda on a fence for now, watched few videos about this or that game, lots of rpg maker horror trash (Shout out to ManlyBadassHero) some seemed good but not as much as to make me go buy it

[dusty fable]

I can suggest a VN that might be to your taste. It's called The Swan Song. Also, VNs are pretty badly represented in letsplays because you can't really skim the video to grasp how good the game is. You would need to just try it yourself

[edgy bone]

zero escape has the best implementation of the multiple endings thing ive ever seen in any video game ever

esp the 2nd game

[dusty fable]

Well, that comes from the best implementation of time/parallel universes travel in gaming. Btw, you can try Ever17 VN, it has a lot of good ideas in that realm too, but unfortunately it requires multiple playthrough to get to True ending, which is decently mindblowing

[edgy bone]

ive been meaning to try out more uchikoshi content in general just never really got around to it

i'll probably try somnium files first before anything else tho

[dusty fable]

Somnium files is a hit or miss tbh, it's great but not for everyone

[dusty fable]

I think uchikoshi and Danganronpa dev are cooking something together

WAIT

Lmao

I never knew EVER17 is uchikoshi

No wonder I thought they are similar

[edgy bone]

lmao

[dusty fable]

Well, it's like almost 10 years separate my playthrough of Ever17 and Nonary games, so no wonder I never made a connection

[high storm]

Am I tripping or is it NSFW?

[dusty fable]

Yes. But it's not about it

[high storm]

I am not even into post apoc that much tbh thought, I am much more likely to check out that time travel game

[dusty fable]

I generally don't play VNs for sexual content

[high storm]

Well, hopefully nobody here does

That would be some super loner sad shit

[dusty fable]

There is nothing wrong with it

[high storm]

I think there is but I won't and probably can't discuss that with due how rules of this server are

[dusty fable]

Some ppl visit erotic sites, some ppl play erotic VNs, you can have a GF or a wife and do that too

Some of the best VNs have erotic content though there is an option to turn it off most of the time

[dusty fable]

Damn, this video might be the oldest thing on YT, stuff is 18 years old kekw. Was quite awesome at that time, still hits pretty hard https://youtu.be/5uz3yQmPsrY?si=l9NGxTcWbfdK_2_A

[mighty cape]

This and:
There’s a BIG difference between a VN that features adult content vs a VN centered around it (or really any media tbh)

Which I’ll leave at that

[high storm]

Kindergarten wars did their cutest chapter yet

While romance is cute let's get back to funnies

[high storm]

OFC THEY DID THIS, BIG spoiler for Oshi no ko

I am not surprised just think it's super funny

A random meme I saved to disrupt possible spoilers

[tidal shore]

is this for real?

[high storm]

Last page of newest chapter

I mean, ||no shot she ACTUALLY dies||

Thus I find page funny

[tidal shore]

crazy

[high storm]

😂

[frank musk]

betting ||its another fakeout like that one chapter we thought akane almost died cuz she found out about too much stuff||

[high storm]

Oh 100%

[tidal shore]

DOOR CHAIN

[high storm]

Hush

It's too big of a hint to what I am trying to hide behind the spoiler

Hue hue hue

[tidal shore]

YOU'RE FUCKING KIDDING ME!! DOOR CHAIN

[dusty fable]

You can bring a cutter and cut a lot of door chains immediately

[tidal shore]

321zilch

[dusty fable]

Door chains may protect against a random burglar, but won't protect against a killer with a straightforward goal

Wait, did we have 2nd season of ONK or not?

[high storm]

Currently airing

Should be the theatre arc, I am talking manga

[craggy mango]

She needs to stop cosplaying her mother istg

Meanwhile kindergarten wars is wholesome again

[high storm]

As I said probably cutest chapter yet, hopefully now it's back to Illuminati and gags tho

[high storm]

Nujabes is so fucking good man

Thanks Samurai Champloo for letting me know of this genius

[undone marten]

Bro literally invented a genre for an anime

Genius

[rancid ledge]

who?

[ionic schooner]

the paradox happens

[tidal shore]

coco edgy phase is so crazy

hi @ionic schooner

[ionic schooner]

i need cooler ultrakill names

[tidal shore]

Evanescent Angel

hmm

ok i haven't played ultrakill actually

Valkyrie of Hell

hmm

Dipshit

yea that will do

💀

Fallen Cocoglock

btw I'm recruiting unicorns, if you're a unicorn please reach out

[high storm]

Weirdo

[dusty fable]

@edgy bone I remembered a game that impressed me even more (or maybe equally as Nanory games). Aegis 13 sentinel. That story is INSANE. You start with "ok, what is this secondhand story" and end with "no way authors pulled off this insane shit"

[high storm]

What type of "unicorn" are you even talking about? The animal?

[tidal shore]

I just searched it up online and polyamory came up wtf

that's not what I meant at all 😭

[high storm]

I was hoping that you just ment the mythical animal (still weird?) but this word has many meanings nowadays

Some weird meanings too

[tidal shore]

yeah nah it's not that deep

[high storm]

Why would you need a mythical animal tho?

[tidal shore]

unicorns as in really cool people

[high storm]

Want to make horn powder for curing any illness?

[dusty fable]

My uni is corny I am all your Nikkor nee

[tidal shore]

panacea would be epic ngl

[high storm]

You are in a really bad place to look for such being in this discord

[tidal shore]

bruhjinson ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[high storm]

I am big into mythical creatures, I had a big ass encyclopedia of monsters when I was 9 or 10 or smth, dopest shit ever for me at the time

Know all sorts of useless factoids

[tidal shore]

ayo that's dope

what's your most favorite underappreciated mythical monster

[high storm]

Hmmmm

Tough question, but ever since I made a power point about explosive mouse I've been in love with that concept

So, in Japanese mythology there is a mouse that just comes to you and fucking explodes itself

Funniest shit ever and appeared in like 2 pieces of media

[tidal shore]

wrf

i need that

[high storm]

0 brain activity

It looks so fucking stupid and cute

[tidal shore]

ITS JUST A MOUSE

[tidal shore]

flag for a tail?

[high storm]

It inhales a lot of air and explodes

[high storm]

No, it's just a shrew

[tidal shore]

so does it actually explode like gunpowder?

or just splat

[high storm]

Explode with the sound of a gun

Guts fly everywhere

[tidal shore]

ew

[high storm]

So unnecessary bloody it's comical

[tidal shore]

michael bayify this

[dusty fable]

My favorite underappreciated monster is sentient axe that makes you cut your own limbs if you pick it up. Usually features a serf that ran out of wood in the winter and his own tool has broken and he conviniently finds this axe. Old fables are damn dark.

[high storm]

But if we talk a cool ass monster that's not talked about a lot it would be the Akhlut

[tidal shore]

i can't get over this now, mouse with a flag for a tail sounds so fucking cute i need to draw and spread awareness of this idea

[high storm]

Just trying to imagine this shit is legit terrifying it's inescapable for where it supposedly lives

[edgy bone]

i keep hearing people mentio n it every now and then

[tidal shore]

what it do

[dusty fable]

It's super good. Like you need to play it now kind of good.

[high storm]

If we talk cool this is the coolest shit ever

A BIG LAND ORCA

Mythologies over world usually does some boring serpent shit

[tidal shore]

oh I tried playing that one, got so bored out of my mind a few hours in I dipped

[tidal shore]

WHY

this is so stupid lmaoo

[high storm]

Inuit mythos is just fucking bonkers

[high storm]

But orcas are so fucking cool and this is so creative IMAGINE HAVING 2 FUCKING PREDATORS AND YOUR MYTHOS IS JUST COMBO OF THEM 😭

[tidal shore]

predators in question: orca, bear

[dusty fable]

Ah, honestly this is the first time in years I might badmouth a person for their opinion.

[high storm]

Orca wolf more so

[tidal shore]

ah icic

[tidal shore]

ok cool, people keep saying mindblowing story yadda yadda and then I see parallel universes and I'm like 💤💤💤💤

[high storm]

And for scary points I would honestly be a basic bitch and pick wendigo/skinwalker because mimicry is the scariest shit by a LONG shot

[tidal shore]

what can I do, story just didn't hook me in and I don't see what's so interesting about it

[tidal shore]

idk these

[high storm]

Maybe also that one human eating tree from Madagascar? I would shit my pants from that for sure

[tidal shore]

or was it time travel idrc

[dusty fable]

Well, if I say something here, it would be a huge spoiler, but I guarantee you is that this game is not what it seems and any preconception should be left behind

[tidal shore]

kind of important for me to have a character or two that keep me interested in the story, but all characters just seemed like bland archetypes or simply failed to interest me

[high storm]

They are like the normie monster for USA horror media nowadays

Popularized by r*ddit and 4chin

Also Until Dawn, very much popular because of that game

[tidal shore]

yeah honestly I don't watch american media usually

it's just kinda fucking bad 99.9% of the time

[high storm]

I haven't played that one but I heard it had wendigo and game was fairly popular

[tidal shore]

occasionally you get gems like Scavengers or Spiderverse or Breaking Bad, everything else is slop

[high storm]

Yeah whatever your opinion on that, I just like USA mythos cus it's very out of pocket shit with lots of human associated fuckery

[dusty fable]

I mean sure, whatever. I don't care if you skipped this masterpiece of a game, it's too spoilery to try to explain anything.

[high storm]

Like, every state has a boring boogyman and then there is the classic tale of what wendigo is and it's metal as fuck

[tidal shore]

u haven't played Disco Elysium either so we're even

[high storm]

He hasn't?

[dusty fable]

Eh?

[high storm]

What a LOSER

POINT and LAUGH

[tidal shore]

wait have you? idr

[dusty fable]

Caveman, you are as random as AI, but AI at least remembers shit

[edgy bone]

i'll see. ive been meaning to go through the stuff i already have installed first cuz im kinda running out of storage space

[tidal shore]

sorry i failed the skill check, shouldn't have maxed into Shivers

[tidal shore]

give me one reason to play this

[dusty fable]

Nah

[high storm]

First playthrough went full into purple and I never related more to a character

[tidal shore]

i sleep then

[dusty fable]

Gn

[high storm]

My conspiracy and mythology autism never paid off more than there

[dusty fable]

I went into shivers and inner empire. Good shit.

[tidal shore]

inland*

[dusty fable]

Yep

[high storm]

Talking to things was routine to me, the only purple skill I didn't get is the one that has to do with police

[tidal shore]

i went encyclopedia and regretted everything

[high storm]

The fucking 🤓

[tidal shore]

second playthrough i found out about the necktie which was dope

[high storm]

Honestly didn't really like the necktie mf is annoying

[dusty fable]

Yes. This is the only thing I spoil to anyone whom I suggest playing Disco. Don't level Encyclopedia, that shit simply ruins you with trivia

[tidal shore]

that's cuz mf is you 😂

[high storm]

Learn blue for advanced racial debates /j

[high storm]

I speak more and much more randomly than that once in a blue moon creature

I am very hard to bond with person, I've known my roommate for 3 years and went through many hardships with him and I still don't consider him friend, so a necktie stood no chance

[tidal shore]

i should've delved into at least a few political thoughts there, cuz it looks like I missed some of the game
may try on next playthrough

[dusty fable]

Nah, I subscribe to Measurehead's racial theory every day /j The guy is so happy go lucky you can't help but cheer him on

[tidal shore]

yea the advanced racist

[high storm]

I just played how I feel irl and told everyone to go off themselves and just made fuckload of money

[tidal shore]

lmaoooo

[high storm]

I somehow got the centrist the liberal and the commie achievement in one (first) playthrough

[tidal shore]

what's your copotype

[high storm]

Devs clearly underestimated me

[high storm]

Sorry cop

[tidal shore]

expected

[high storm]

I wasn't mean to people for no reason, no gain from that

[tidal shore]

i was the apocalypse/superstar cop

couldn't give two shits

[dusty fable]

If that's the roommate who ate raw chicken liver for 1$, then I can understand why

[high storm]

Being mean to people makes me feel bad so I didn't do that

[high storm]

Nah my other one, he is chill but an incredibly boring person imo

[tidal shore]

he's just like me fr

[high storm]

He never had a PC or phone until 16 and is just into history and books 😴

Could not give less of a shit about history of politics

[high storm]

All in span of 2 days too lol

[tidal shore]

XDDDD

@dusty fable are there any meaningful morals/values/ideas etc to gain from playing aegis 13?

[dusty fable]

The point is that it has a very unique, maybe even singular POV on timetravel/parallel universes. It's more unique than Nonary games.

[tidal shore]

damn

it's about all that I hate in science fiction

[high storm]

Parallel universes bleh

[tidal shore]

time travel and parallel universes, name a more woat duo

[high storm]

Time travel is awesome sauce

[tidal shore]

what about it

always devolves into parallel universes, fate, or butterfly effect, it's all so fucking boring

[high storm]

It makes story convoluted and still easy to follow, I would not watch a world of every single timeline though that sounds boring

[dusty fable]

Maybe. This story is a masterpiece of foreshadowing, not that it would be of much use

[high storm]

I think butterfly effect is actually very neat, but from the examples of shows with time travel in my head I remember neither parallel universe or fate

[tidal shore]

I think Link Click did time travel in the most interesting way so far that I have seen

[tidal shore]

steins gate

has them all

[high storm]

What this reminds me of, not relevant to conversation

[dusty fable]

Steins gate is also parallel universes

[tidal shore]

yea, and it has all the time travel tropes

[high storm]

Yeah it does have parallel universes but watching 0 is quite frankly optional and isn't necessary, don't remember "fate" being a factor tbh

"thing is going to happen" is not something I consider fate

[dusty fable]

Yeah. Aegis 13 is 200 years worth of foreshadowing xD

[high storm]

In my mind it's more about "Thing is GOING TO HAPPEN 100%"

[tidal shore]

something about not being able to change history, wasn't there a plot line about it too?

that's what I mean by fate

[high storm]

Well by that POV yeah it does include fate

The whole debacle with Mayuri's clock

[dusty fable]

Erm... Steins gate started as SciFi gag story, ofc it had all the tropes

[tidal shore]

lmaooo

that's cool, I didn't know that

[high storm]

It's baby's first time travel show

Re:zero after it lol

[ionic schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/gabriel-ultrakill-ultrakill-jesus-loves-you-gif-7402415319646995173

[tidal shore]

gm cc

[high storm]

Gn

[ionic schooner]

gn

[ionic schooner]

gm

[dusty fable]

What did you expect from the storyline that involves CERN as Great Evil and all starts with a timetraveling banana

[high storm]

As I said it's a good beginner show if said beginner can swallow first slow ass half

[tidal shore]

also microwave time travel

[high storm]

It has all the right ingredients to get you into anime!
Traps!
Children!
Creepy fat guy!
Tsundere!
Quiet girl!
Chunibiyoo character!

"Cat" girl too on technicality

[tidal shore]

actually she's not a tsubdere

[high storm]

Hyperbole

[tidal shore]

excuses

phi

🥐

[high storm]

Obv the dude in cap isn't just a creepy fatso either

[tidal shore]

jk i get it

[dusty fable]

Kurisu Makise is totally tsundere wdym

[high storm]

I am oversimplifying for convenience

[high storm]

Red head too on top of that

Asuka but good

[tidal shore]

i don't see it

[high storm]

[dusty fable]

She became a partner scientist of a chuuni guy that has zero profile as a scientist, but denies that she appreciates his style. That's scientific tsundere

[tidal shore]

I'm scientifically going to sleep now

scientific goodnight

[high storm]

You even talk like him

[dusty fable]

Yes, timetravel 40 minutes back, when you said that first time, so that you keep the integrity of the universe

[dusty fable]

Not until he says El psy kongru

[tidal shore]

bonus points for continuity

el psi kangaroo

🦘🦘🦘

[dusty fable]

The guy is definitely authors self insert considering how he actually ||saves the world and not that sorry ass of an MC||

[high storm]

We don't talk about that, as many flaws as stein's gate anime had it still a very solid if not great show which likely is even more filled in VN

[dusty fable]

VN is great because it also explains a lot of memes inside its own encyclopedia

[high storm]

It's probably dated by now it's now possibly more useful than ever lol

[dusty fable]

It marks the stuff and you can read up, because it memes jpn weeb culture a lot

[dusty fable]

Yes, pretty much

Like 1337 language. And haxxorz stuff.

[dusty fable]

Well, it has that inclination. The whole point was that || whatever MC does either Makisu or Tutturu girl are bound to die. ||But Fate is depicted there more like a force and not entity

Moreso, ||Tutturu girl dies in multiple ways, ||so it becomes sort of fated outcome

[high storm]

I guess yeah that's true

[dusty fable]

Well, there was a very good show called Fringe about parallel universes, that floped in the end but was very good. And recently there was DARK that I consider peak timetravel in terms of how much they managed to entangle it without losing a thread

[ionic schooner]

guys

will bocchi the rock ever get another season

shes like

the ryan gosling of anime

😔

[dusty fable]

No, she is too shy to have a 2nd season

[ionic schooner]

ic

she is literally me after all

https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-snow-gosling-snow-gif-6845320348811377304

[dusty fable]

You should rename to COCODOOM

[ionic schooner]

true

[dusty fable]

And change profile pic to kakadu

[ionic schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/cockatoo-dance-bird-gif-26968874

[dusty fable]

This guy is totally shooting Glocks Spartan style

[high storm]

Is there enough material?

If yes we can totally expect a season in several years

[ionic schooner]

i thought there was

[high storm]

I dunno I am asking

[dusty fable]

There is a sub time travel plot which either involves time dilation from traversing space at speed limit or through cryogenic sleep.

There are a bunch of great books involving those

[undone marten]

Nujabes technically invented lo-fi hiphop

[rancid ledge]

ooh sounds interesting

reminds me of edgerunners

[long peak]

I don't think he invented it

But nujabes 100% innovated and evolved the genre

[undone marten]

Yeah for sure

Rip to my mans

[shadow knot]

jjk leaks ||nobara finally back|| lmao

[eternal wyvern]

I think I accidentally saw a jjk spoiler on my tl, for some reason, thanks twitter algorithm
At least now I know why that character is suddenly trending on my trending page, when another big ass event is happening in my country rn lmao

[crisp skiff]

||idk why it took her like 60+ chapters to bring her back, the amount fans cope her not dead is just crazy||

[high storm]

https://tenor.com/view/this-shit-is-so-ass-gif-gif-13056992775285521374

[high storm]

||>out for 141 chapters (half the fucking manga)

Mentioned only twice in all that time
Never confirmed her status
Here she is btw alive and well Mr. Reader!||

Gege, you truly are an author

[high storm]

It took him ||126 to 267, aka half the manga...||

[high storm]

0 fucking characterization for said character too since it's been years since ||she supposedly died||

[crisp skiff]

tbf I understand why gege do these

cuz he hates jjk

[tidal shore]

gege this gege that gege me a break

who tf is gege

and why do people keep talking about him

o jjk author

[meager kernel]

idk if thats a serious question

he's the jjk author lol

[tidal shore]

gege me a break is pretty clever tho, u gotta give me that

[meager kernel]

||it's been how many chapters since her death?||

[shadow knot]

141 as said above

[crisp skiff]

more than lhalf of the manga

[crisp skiff]

I mean we know Yuta supposedly the mc b4 itadori

[meager kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/yuuta-yuuta-okkotsu-yuta-babygirl-gif-7316460440743596686

[crisp skiff]

and the editors ask gege to make new jjk and itadori as the mc

I actually want jjk more dark and solo rather than whole fucking school

the kyoto students are full of jokes

only Todo is the goat

[meager kernel]

todo really is the goat, anytime he's in a chapter its just golden

[high storm]

Call building a "School"
10 students total

And I am being charitable on that

It's more like 8 or smth

Calling Jujutsu High a school was super pointless, I dunno who asked Gege to make his shit about highschooler he clearly never wrote about it and never cared about it

[crisp skiff]

all students in tokyo are 8

[high storm]

His next idol manga HAS to be goated otherwise I will disappointed to no end

[crisp skiff]

idol manga?

[high storm]

He said he wants to finish JJK and make idol manga

He said it's his dream few years ago

[crisp skiff]

ah interesting

wonder if it'll be like Oshi no ko

[high storm]

That would be funny, especially if we look at how Gege treats women in JJK

Male idol manga would be hilarious if that were to happen

[rancid ledge]

speaking of which, did yall watch oshi ko no s2??

[high storm]

Read the manga, will watch when it's fully out

Ending song is absolutely phenomenal for Oshi no ko this time around though

[vernal quarry]

guys im trying to find a shoujo/josei manhwa which i read a long time ago and the only scene i remember from it is " the female leads family goes to a snowy region for holiday or smthng with another family which they know and female lead's brother/cousin someone takes her to the middle of an icy frozen lake or something in the dead winter night and tries to kill her by shoving her head into the small water opening and almost kills her but some one from her family comes and saves her and i think this gives her a phobia of water or smthng" sry for not being able to give any more info, this is the only thing i remember and ive been scouring all my bookmarks, entire disqus comments and skimmed thru stuff that i thought were the manhwa. still didn't find it. also I think one of her brothers who actually dislikes her has red hair feels sorry for her for the first time and starts to behave well with her.

[tidal shore]

thay is so crazy

[topaz linden]

Think I know the one. One sec

Maybe

[vernal quarry]

tell me abt it.. i spent like over 8 hrs trying to search it xD

[topaz linden]

Yeah, 95% sure I found it

I've Become a True Villainess Chapter 43 is the flashback, 44 is the ML's sweet vengeance for it

[vernal quarry]

yasssssssssssssssssssss...........holy hell.. u even got the ch

thanks a lot m8. time to reread it agane

[topaz linden]

I read up to the end of that arc, then set it aside in my "read when it's complete" folder lol

[vernal quarry]

lmao.. i realised y i couldnt find it.. it wasnt bookmarked

[topaz linden]

Rip

[vernal quarry]

i just keep jumping from recommendations in comick i forget to book mark em they r lost

[ionic schooner]

You really do have extensive knowledge of many things

!!jake

[fiery tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-demon-cat-i-have-approximate-knowledge-of-many-things-wise-wisdom-gif-4593239

[ionic schooner]

Approximate

Whatever

[long peak]

Jjk and oshi no ko are ass

Finally two horrible chapters in one day

[outer scaffold]

What, why? (For jjk tho, i couldn't care less for oshi)

[long peak]

||gege brought Nobara back||

[undone marten]

||jjk has been ass since that sukuna bs started||

[cerulean nebula]

Onk one was goated. ED for S2 hits different now

Knowing what the next ep of onk is going to adapt + the timing of this chapter really be a double whammy of sadge

[craggy mango]

I still believe OnK ended at ch 80

[high storm]

Mangaplus huffing and puffing trying to load 91 page of chapter 2 lmao

(It's that exorcism with guns and magic manga)

[frank musk]

which reminds me

did u guys see that survey they put out?

https://x.com/WSJ_manga/status/1825914885793849579

Shonen Jump News (@WSJ_manga) on X

MANGA Plus has launched a new 'User Survey' in English, Spanish, French and Thai.

The survey asks about platform functions, digital purchases, and pirate sites.

https://t.co/LD4iTii49W

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 3:16 PM

[high storm]

Yeah that one is pretty funny

[high storm]

The "please gib money" survey

[frank musk]

mfers really expecting its users to snitch

[high storm]

Also why ask for my country and other stuff

I have enough governments tracking me already

[tidal shore]

there's no option for "Because it has content that isn't available here"

which is pretty legitimate if you ask me

[high storm]

Okay it's holy yapfest (only 10-15 of this chapter had action) but I am liking the set-up so far

Exorcism but with A LOT of bureaucracy

I can't even tell much about characters because I feel like I am just following a story of a spec ops squad who do spec ops things

It's, good introductory chapter

[dusty fable]

This sounds so funny, if put into isekai context. Go to sleep and wake up in another world

[high storm]

So euthanasia isekai?

[dusty fable]

More like falling off a cliff or derail in the night kind of attraction

[topaz linden]

Spirit Chronicles already did this

https://youtu.be/I-J-dEP9L20

[high storm]

Wow Kingdom has such a good first chapter

[cinder fern]

KC dont bonk the derail

i keep forgetting we have an anime channel

[mighty cape]

@cinder fern so thing with Sakura is that
She actually had an ABSURD amount of innate talent. Even had a peculiarly unique alignment.

iirc The Makiri have a method of artificially implanting Magic Crests via Crest Worms. But this wasn’t always a sure fire healthy way since even Kariya (Shinji’s include) had a horrible time making use of them, granted he also left the mage life himself years ago. Sakura was pretty strong so she fared much better (physiologically ofc) than he did.

[high storm]

No idea what franchise y'all talking about

[cinder fern]

Fate

[high storm]

Ah, so many names lol

[tidal shore]

huuuhhhh ur reading it now ain't no way

actually you're in luck cuz the current arc is going to be the longest arc in the manga

most likely

[high storm]

I am not even going to try and catch are you crazy

[tidal shore]

wat

it's not even that long

[high storm]

I will read like 1-2 maybe 3 arcs to see if I like it

[high storm]

804 chapters!

[tidal shore]

fair

[high storm]

It's literally week+ of just reading

I have university and currently job seeking I can't just sit and read allat

[tidal shore]

tbh

job seeking is like 90% time waiting

for a response that never comes

uni i get it

[high storm]

I am currently in a very tight spot in life so I want a short distraction from cruel reality not a binge of 804 chapters (some of which seem even longer than 20 pages)

[tidal shore]

fair

this is the healthy approach

[undone marten]

Lowk though

[high storm]

Yeah simple fun sometimes is awesome

Better not have any rules at all than try to find excuses to not follow them later

TTGL is literally "Power of friendship" the anime and I loved that

[undone marten]

||Gojo learning rct because he was about to die is an asspull but it's so fucking sick||

Jjk s2 spoilers I guess

[high storm]

Tbh ||hardly an asspull we knew he would survive the encounter but yeah getting stabbed a 100 times and just regenning that IS stupid||

[undone marten]

||ofc we knew the whole arc is a flashback but yeah it's bs||

[high storm]

It sure is convenient making a character "He is just special like that"

[undone marten]

Gojo is him

Sinbad better

[tidal shore]

lmao

[high storm]

Can he stop with the dear

[dim pier]

damn name of the manga?

[long peak]

Competition for the unfunniest 2 pages I've seen

Maybe it's just very badly translated

[topaz linden]

I can't say if the original is any more engaging/less boring, but the nonsensical phrasing is almost certainly bad (probably machine) translation

You see this pretty commonly in Chinese manhuas since good CN translation is both incredibly hard and incredibly rare lol

[long peak]

Okay that's what I thought

Cause I felt like I was having a stroke reading that

[topaz linden]

My guess is machine translation + word by word for some of them ("dear me" feels like they translated some title/honorific literally)

[long peak]

If I had to guess, yeah

The bastard part and the front and back I can't make heads or tails of

[topaz linden]

I'd probably guess some Chinese idiom that doesnt translate well lol

They're full of random sayings

[high storm]

Same, reads completely unnatural

[high storm]

I remember watching "Oh spare me great lord" and every fucking nuance and idiom was explained by a big fucking box of text so I wouldn't miss the joke, up to 4 boxes at the time to explain societal nuances

Just found it, I feel like the guy translating that was more China loving than some Chinese

Like imagine un-ironically adding a 6 sentence long box on your screen saying shit like
"The joke of main character not selling smelly tofu to this man in particular is because he previously sold it to people who looked poorer than said man and thus he humiliated him and now he can ask for higher price so his pride and social status could stay the same. This is important because....."

I am just making talking out of my rn ofc but they did have an episode of MC selling smelly tofu, it was funny

[dusty fable]

I thought this was a deliberation on having a three-way sex

[long peak]

I can't tell cause it's so poorly done

[dusty fable]

Alright, the only thing that dear me doesn't have the answer is: don't you have better things to read? xD

[mighty cape]

The way they draw foreigners is just normal people

[cinder fern]

That's not foreigners that's Dean Sam and Cass

[mighty cape]

Damn I didn’t know they were Japanese

[cinder fern]

Who the fuck brought the supernatural cast into a manga was the scoobidoo episode not enough

[mighty cape]

Gaphid

[cinder fern]

Yes supernatural had a scoobidoo colab this is not a joke

[mighty cape]

Did you know

That Supernatural has an anime

[cinder fern]

I had my theories

[cinder fern]

Da fuck happened to Sam

That's not fucking Sam

[mighty cape]

[undone marten]

Bro in the left looks like Spike Spiegel

[tidal shore]

he's not a native that's why he sounds like this

[tidal shore]

it's on purpose

[tidal shore]

yea stuff like this can really take you out of the reading mode, and it's particularly problematic with Chinese idioms
better to find an English equivalent and keep the meaning

[long peak]

Oh

Well

I dunno still not funny

[tidal shore]

yea that's cool, comedy is pretty subjective

I guess in context it would have a better effect, cuz his garbled speech contrasts pretty well with common speech, it just jumps out at you like that

back to reading slop

[fickle mango]

Kimi ni todoke is out! LESSS GOOO

[high storm]

Honestly? As much as it disrupted the flow of the episode the little insights were really fun to read about

[undone marten]

Is the magi anime ever gonna come back

[next crescent]

Which one

[tidal shore]

fair

[rancid ledge]

kimi ni todoke already has dub, have funnnn

[frank musk]

Im sorry did i read that right? The gap to s2 and s3 is 13 years????

[undone marten]

There were multiple?

The original ofc

Didn't finish the sinbad one

Too mid for my taste

[rancid ledge]

which anime?

[frank musk]

Kimi ni todoke

[rancid ledge]

could be.

[craggy mango]

Bocchi The Rock live stage part 1 is currently airing live
https://www.youtube.com/live/CRemKkaWjUI

[high storm]

I like the cosplayers

[tidal shore]

man

this must've been a nightmare to draw

[high storm]

Possibly Yuri?

Nvm it's a white haired dude

Another "Who?" Author

Yuh

It's pretty shit first chapter

[high storm]

Well, first 47 chapters of Kingdom have been very good I think I will return to read it some more once I have the time, mfs be dying left and right tho lmao

[dusty fable]

No, if you are not an AI?

[next crescent]

Understanding how hands work is a nightmare alone when drawing tbh

The way the hands turned out in this shows they have a good understanding of how hands work

But it still could've been a nightmare trying to make them look good

[dusty fable]

Hands is easier because it's one of the first things artists practice to draw and we also have a good example in front of us all the time

[next crescent]

What

The first thing I've ever seen anyone practice drawing and focus on first is eyes, but I'm sure there's some who do hands first

And we do have a good example in front of us and online in photos and other art but the caveat to that is understanding how it works

Without the basic understanding (whether able to be articulated or not) of how the hand works and how skin folds and shadows fall, it wouldn't look as good

And may come off weird

It's why a lot of people draw hands and you see like... Weird amalgamations meant to represent hands

Or people hiding them in their art altogether

Same with feet

And I say this as someone who's been in the artist community for a long ass time now

And has had plenty of online interactions with other artists and their struggles with drawing certain stuff or their progress in getting to do so well with certain features

But even in school, I always saw people drawing nothing but eyes as practice in their notebooks

And one person who practiced figure drawing

[dusty fable]

That's the point behind drawing either eyes or hands. The same thing as drawing vases or cubes. It teaches you to draw visible surfaces by understanding invisible ones, either anatomy or the invisible side of an object

Well, ofc there are other reasons too, but this is one of the most important ones. Can't draw an eye without understanding that it's a sphere

[next crescent]

Yes, and what I was saying is most people I've ever spoken to have started with eyes and loathe hands lol

To the point where they'll even go out of their way to hide the hands so they don't have to go through the effort of drawing them, even if they tend to turn out good

[shadow knot]

I don't "draw" draw but fosho hands are definitely one of the very challenging body parts to draw

[dusty fable]

Well, that's why you need to start with hands, so that you don't loathe them. Hands are as beautiful as eyes

[shadow knot]

yoshikage kira moment

[next crescent]

They require a lot of practice for a lot of people which is why caveman is so astounded by how well it turned out in that panel lol

And that's what I was trying to explain

They require a lot of practice, which is a lot of work and frustration for a lot of people

[dusty fable]

They are challenging, but are easier to learn to draw, since you can watch your hand move at any time. Pretty sure if you ask an amateur artist to draw a hand or a backside of an ankle, they would have an easier time with the hand, also because ankle anatomy is not much easier than hand

[dusty fable]

Everything in drawing requires a lot of practice, either it's ellipses or hands, there are no shortcuts there. Ppl being lazy about some aspects of drawing is no excuse tbh, but it's fine for an amateur artist, but not for a pro

[next crescent]

I want to ask something and I hope it doesn't come off as rude

But are you saying this from personal experience, conversing with actual artists, or is this a solid assumption

Because learning to draw through observations is a very basic and common tactic to learn how to draw but that does not mean that it is any easier just because you can see it

A lot of people still struggle with it for a reason regardless as to how often they can just look at it themselves

[dusty fable]

I had enough opportunities to talk to artists. My aunt was a teacher in an art school, and I talked to a lot of her students as well. It was a long time ago, so not sure how often this specific topic came up, but it did a bunch of times. I don't deny that hands are a complex subject to draw and that ppl have issues drawing it, but there are more opportunities to practice drawing them than many other anatomical parts

I guess I just studied more old-school way of drawing, including portraits, that put emphasis on hands as well, because hands represent your character a lot

[next crescent]

Yeah, but that also means it can still be a nightmare for artists to draw really good hands without it being AI lol

[dusty fable]

Ok. What if I posit that it can be a nightmare to draw a really good facial expression. What's your opinion?

[tidal shore]

most artists actually start with basic shapes, fruit and bowls have been a staple for beginner art for a long time

at least if you're taught in a class

trad

[dusty fable]

Well, yeah, if you read further, you can check that out. I meant that hands are one of the things you start learning early

[tidal shore]

i guess?

yea

[next crescent]

That it can be

[tidal shore]

most artists actually actively avoid having hands in their drawings ay the start

and later when they become experienced

[next crescent]

Yeah

Like I can draw hands but I still fucking hate it 😭

[tidal shore]

it actually hurts the total storytelling/expression/body language level they can tell because of this

pensivei

😔

[dusty fable]

Well, I can say that I might come from a school of art that puts a lot of emphasis on hands as a medium of a human character. An old school that taught that hands show what person you are. And besides that, that taught to see a hidden shape before a visible shape. So you could say I have a strong opinion about this

[next crescent]

I mean, they do

We aren't arguing against how important it is to know how to draw hands for expression and body language in art

We were talking about how it can still be a nightmare for a lot of people to draw hands, even if they understand how they work and have drawn them numerous times

[tidal shore]

I like this school of thought

[next crescent]

You can have the ability to draw some of the most amazing manga hands ever and still find it frustrating to get them to look right or take longer to draw them then anything else in the piece

[dusty fable]

It's a school of art that came to be when people started drawing portraits of ordinary people, not just aristocrats. It has been around for some time

[next crescent]

That's cool

[dusty fable]

Well, I agree with you, all I can say. But there is a difference about what I think and what I feel, and I feel that ppl that find drawing hands frustrating just don't find hands as an interesting subject to draw

[next crescent]

I wouldn't necessarily say that if they are frustrated by it that they just don't find it interesting, you can find something extremely interesting be invested in it and still be frustrated when it doesn't turn out the way you want it to

I think drawing hands are cool when hands turn out looking amazing, it's an amazing feeling but that doesn't change the fact that I feel frustrated in the process, I can feel proud by the end but I was still frustrated

He's been typing for like 10 minutes I'm scared

[dusty fable]

If I find something interesting, even if it's frustrating, I don't notice the frustration as an impediment or don't consider it to be negative, since it actually motivates me to do more of the thing I find interesting.

[dusty fable]

Well, I am not used to typing on the phone, plus I consider these responses a lot

[next crescent]

Ah okay

Because I'm walking my dog rn and kept occasionally checking thinking maybe you responding without pinging me and just kept seeing you type still

[dusty fable]

Lol, I know the feeling. "Dawg, will you send it already"

[next crescent]

[dusty fable]

Cute boy

[high storm]

AAAAAAH A DOG

[dusty fable]

His tongue reminds me of one of my beloved characters from a game

Let me find the pic

[high storm]

I would cross the street to avoid this animal

[dusty fable]

Hmm, he is actually without a tongue lolling

[next crescent]

Lol

[next crescent]

Honestly, he'd probably be more cautious of you

Especially now after our vet visit on Wednesday

[dusty fable]

I guess I confused him with this dog from the same studio

[next crescent]

Ohhh

Cerberus?

[high storm]

No fucks given about dogs' feelings, I avoid them like fire and no dog currently alive is trusted by me

[next crescent]

That's alright

[high storm]

The one I did like died out of old age recently

He was like a dog gipsy

[next crescent]

😭

Idk what that means but maybe my older one is similar

He literally doesn't do anything he just sleeps and eats

[dusty fable]

Yeah. A Mandela effect, where the artstyle is so similar, I thought the first image had the dog also with his tongue out

[next crescent]

Lol

[high storm]

Like, no breed to determine, black and hairy

[next crescent]

My older one is brown

[high storm]

Bit his owner but not me thus gaining my trust

[next crescent]

He's mixed with black lab and Staffordshire and just so old he chills

If it's any consolation, he's only ever bitten someone once and it was me when I tried to break up his mom from trying to tear his face off and getting my hand in the middle of it because I didn't have a break stick

Then he moped for the next few days and felt really bad and has never bitten anyone ever since

[high storm]

Break stick?....

[next crescent]

A break stick is something specifically for breaking up dog fights and getting them to release their bite on something safely

[dusty fable]

Wut. Why would she do that?

[next crescent]

It's basically just a really thick wooden stick that's hard to break that you jam into their mouth to get them to let go of something, like another dog

[high storm]

Seems incredibly specific, makes you wonder how they made it

[high storm]

Nvm

[next crescent]

Lol

But yeah, I didn't have that and my other methods weren't working, like trying to pick her up by the hind legs or pulling her tail, so I tried sitting on her and pinching her ear until she'd let go but then he whipped his head around and bit me hard real quick then let go immediately after I yelled

Then never bit anyone ever again after

No matter what they did to him, whether it was throwing stuff, hitting or kicking him, etc (not by me ofc, my family)

[high storm]

I just meet random dogs often enough to just expect the worst and avoiding that possibility

[dusty fable]

Well, I am not a dog person, but animals know pretty well to moderate their violence, though it may seem rough to us humans

[high storm]

No fucks given about random animals why should I

Just don't approach me

Is all

[next crescent]

I'm sorry that's happened to you so often

[dusty fable]

Well, that was towards Kc

[next crescent]

Her violence was to rip my dog to shreds

[high storm]

Nah I haven't been bitten, I am just a huge coward

[next crescent]

And left lasting physical and emotional scars on him

[high storm]

Like "This dog almost jumped on me I am in tears and shaking" type of coward

No danger occured really

[dusty fable]

That's what I am curious about. Why would she do that to her puppy?

[next crescent]

She had dog aggression

[high storm]

Huh

[next crescent]

Not fear aggression, she just absolutely hated dogs and would do whatever she could to attack and maim them

[high storm]

Uuuuuuh

[dusty fable]

Ok, that's something I never heard of

[high storm]

Yeah many factors that are absolutely random to not dog owners are what's stopping me from overcoming my fears lol

[next crescent]

She also attacked two dogs but going into their fenced-in yard and seriously wounded two dogs somewhere else in our neighborhood when he let her off leash and she ran away without coming back 😭

[next crescent]

Yeah that's fine, I totally understand

There's plenty of dogs that are perfectly behaved around here so it hasn't really been much of an issue for most people

But I'd never really push the issue to someone in person if they're afraid, I just walk the other way

[high storm]

I want to eventually therapy that out though because it's a really common pet you can't just keep avoiding all your life

[next crescent]

Yeah

It's why Baron is in training right now

[high storm]

Gave up on dating few girls due to them having dogs lol

[next crescent]

He has a fear of other dogs and reacts negatively to any around him unless it's my older one at home

[high storm]

Sociopath dog lmao

[next crescent]

He's not a sociopath, he tried playing with other dogs when he was smaller and they didn't like his play style and would nip at him

It scared him enough that now he just is afraid of other dogs

[high storm]

Well that's sad

Poor fella

[next crescent]

Yeah, especially because so many people own and walk their dogs around here too 😭

Plus my neighbors have dogs

So he's always in close proximity in a sense, even if they're not outside at the same time

[high storm]

Tf, is there dog therapy or smth?

[dusty fable]

I had a fear of dogs(a mild one though). The way I overcame it is by thinking that I am more powerful and knowing that there are ways to attack dog to prevent him biting you harder. Dogs bite is good to prevent you from escaping, but much worse at preventing you from pushing something further down his throat (so if he bites your arm, if you angle it properly, you can make dog release you in a painful for him way)

[next crescent]

It's training

The type of training we are using is to be rewarded when calm or ignoring stimuli, in this case: other dogs

[dusty fable]

Well, ofc some dogs wouldn't release their bite anyway, but those breeds are prohibited from being outside without a mask

[next crescent]

If he does good, he gets a really good reward he doesn't normally get, which makes experiencing the stimuli a good thing

[dusty fable]

I think he meant dog therapy for himself, not a dog lul

[next crescent]

Oh

There is

And there are dogs that are called therapy dogs, though they're usually therapeutic to people who have little to look forward to in life

Like the elderly or sick

They can probably also be used for therapy for those with a fear of dogs, as they're trained to be calm and welcoming

[dusty fable]

I think it's scientifically proven that any companion has a theraupethic effect on any person. Some beings are better at it though

Like dogs are really good because they pay a ton of attention to their masters

[next crescent]

Yes but for someone with a fear of dogs, I'd say it has the opposite effect unless they can overcome said fear

[dusty fable]

Well, I know a person who feared horses and they overcame it by spending a year on a horse rancho. When you know what to expect from another being, you fear it less

[next crescent]

Agreed but not everyone would be able to do that willingly either lol

They'd need help and to ease into it

[tidal shore]

girl with dogs is like 5 on crazy matrix frfr

[dusty fable]

The fear comes from two things: an unknown and if you think something has a power over you. So changing those two is the best way to lessen a fobia

[tidal shore]

actually

if u give up on a girl for such a petty reason then did u rly care about her to begin with?

trauma is one thing, but that's a thing to overcome

I have heard people make other petty excuses for why a relationship did not work out

it's all excuses anyway

relationships are a collaborative effort, you don't ditch each other for the first minor inconvenience

[dusty fable]

Yes, and what if between you, girl and her dog, the dog is not collaborating in this relationship?

[tidal shore]

are you suggesting the dog took your girl? tough luck

[next crescent]

I wouldn't call it petty to avoid being with someone because they own a creature you are terrified of

[dusty fable]

I liked the unedited version more. The dog stole a girl sounds more like it 😂

[tidal shore]

☠️

[next crescent]

Because you'd more than likely either
A. Force that person to do something to lessen their dog's life and joy by keeping it penned up somewhere to avoid your partner for their comfort
B. Make your partner just deal with the fact that they are afraid of your dog and therefore ignore their feelings and everything

And probably a C. that could be a happy medium that I can't think of rn

[tidal shore]

D. work together with your partner to try overcome the phobia

[next crescent]

Like when some people date someone and that person tells them "you have to get rid of the dog for us to be together", I'd say that's a lot more petty than just leaving because you would rather not break the bond between the person and the animal they've dedicated their life and time to before you entered the picture

And yeah D. Get therapy

[tidal shore]

it's not like you'd immediately move in with a partner and live together from day 1
there would be a lot of time to adjust

[next crescent]

But how many people realistically ever choose the best option 😭

[next crescent]

Exactly

[dusty fable]

I think that is a non-starter in any relationship if someone thinks that way. You can't come into relationship thinking you can try to remove all the obstacles.

[tidal shore]

no clue, it is kinda sad that most relationships end because people just don't care about each other
have you looked at the divorce surveys? this shit is making me depressed

[next crescent]

But a lot of people do, unfortunately

They'd rather have you conform yourself and your life to fit theirs than to work together with you to actively live in harmony

[next crescent]

Yeah

But hey, at least divorce is a thing that can let people escape bad living situations with a spouse

It existing is also a good thing in that regard

[tidal shore]

haha sure as long as we ignore inherent sexism in the law system (looking at you child support)

[next crescent]

Child support and some countries where women can't divorce but men can

Or vice versa where women can divorce for the dumbest reasons but not for legitimate abuse

And men just don't

[dusty fable]

Well, maybe they do, but I know some ppl who learned how not to be like that. So I am optimistic about that.

[tidal shore]

yeah I'm not talking about those countries, sad that it happens and Idk how these cultures even agree to live like this

but if you look at court cases, women always get lighter sentences compared to men

on average*

and this extends to divorces

which is decidedly not cool

[dusty fable]

Tbh, I think that is one of cornerstones of good relationship: to be able to learn how to listen and learn in the relationship. If you can't get to that point with your partner, I think the relationship would be lacking. And I think men can be taught that

[tidal shore]

agree

[next crescent]

That's good at least

Healthy compromise or working together to find an answer is always nice

[next crescent]

Yeah, that's fair

I thought you just meant in general

[next crescent]

I wholeheartedly agreed

[tidal shore]

well, I'm probably talking about American/western statistics here

[next crescent]

Gotcha

Yeah we have like a 55% divorce rate or something over here

[tidal shore]

I say probably cuz 99% of online content that I consume is from the "western" countries

[dusty fable]

Hmm, Jake was typing something, I wonder if he stopped because the discussion had already moved on KEKW

[next crescent]

And if the two had a biological child then the parent who doesn't have majority custody has to pay 25% of their salary to the other iirc

[tidal shore]

and this exposes me to statistics and surveys which is relevant cuz the origin etc etc u get it

[dusty fable]

I was low-key interested in his input

[next crescent]

Who knows 😭

Or maybe someone said what he was going to say

Same

Or he was going to share something on topic for the channel and decided against it because we were talking about something else

[high storm]

Wdym

[dusty fable]

Unlikely, because you would put This tbh or something similar in that case

[next crescent]

He wouldn't always

Only when he's actively in the conversation already does he do that

[high storm]

They all are very nice girls I would love to know closer but I couldn't approach them because they had a pet dog which I would shit my pants in front of

[next crescent]

Girl with the dogs is a YouTuber who does grooming for cats and dogs and the shit she deals with sometimes is insane lol

[tidal shore]

poking fun at you in a sarcastic manner while referencing the hot crazy matrix

[high storm]

Oh, didn't know

[next crescent]

No worries

That's why I explained

[high storm]

I mean, one of them was thick short haired quirky weeb girl with glasses, was my favourite pick until she fucked off to Japan

[next crescent]

😭

[tidal shore]

L

[high storm]

At least she is seemingly having fun there and I didn't know her that well due to her having a dog so I wasn't attached in the first place

[dusty fable]

Honestly, I am now considering if fear of their pet could be a valid tactic like "pls fix me, girl" kind of tactic. I know it works in other cases

[high storm]

Just seemed like a very fun and nice person to be around

[high storm]

I am cringe but not to a degree where I trick women into relationships

I am straight and honest with people, I just don't consider online "people"

[dusty fable]

I think we always trick each other into relationship, because there is no way to know another person in less than 20 hours, and honestly more than that

[tidal shore]

the type of life no social anxiety gets you

crazy

[high storm]

I mean, I tried approaching that one girl in particular but I am was very inexperienced with girls at the time

I just kinda came off creepy

[tidal shore]

I feel like no one wants to admit it, but it might be how everyone sees the online

[high storm]

I was too try-hard to be a sociable guy

At least NOW I don't have to struggle through convos

[next crescent]

Agreed

[dusty fable]

No, I generally consider online ppl as ppl

[tidal shore]

you remove the physical layer tho

[high storm]

It's certainly better than being an introvert and a "wall" instead of person in a group

[tidal shore]

no matter how much I convince myself that you are a person, you still only appear as text

[high storm]

My resolution for university was to become more sociable and I think I did that pretty well, although my current groupmates are boring as fuck I don't contact them beyond asking homework

[dusty fable]

Yes, but if I think someone is interesting, then it doesn't matter. And if person is not interesting to me, I generally treat them the same online or in rl

[tidal shore]

no offense but my social anxiety isn't triggering because ur not a full person online, if that makes any sense

[high storm]

About to video call and stare in your eyes then

(I won't)

[tidal shore]

nah

[high storm]

My groupmates are either just nerds, no shared interests or not my type

Nerds are no fun
Shared interests speaks for itself
Not being my type might give the girls the wrong idea if I approach them and I don't want to even try and find out if we have shared interests

[tidal shore]

"wall" type of people are soooooo

[dusty fable]

You know, you are a nerd, be easier on your fellow nerds

[high storm]

It's a boring existence

[tidal shore]

can u elaborate on what u mean by "wall" tho

I think I get it but I still wann a hear

[high storm]

At least I can talk to all 8 of them without being a silent boring fuck

[high storm]

"He is just there and talks only when accompanied by his close friends"

[tidal shore]

pretty much same here, which is ironic considering what I said earlier

[tidal shore]

oh, that'd totally me then

[next crescent]

Oh hey that's almost me

[dusty fable]

Eh, valid.

[high storm]

I found that existence far too boring to continue so now I yap a lot

[next crescent]

I suck at speaking with strangers unless it's in the comfort of a place I know or in the company of people I trust

[tidal shore]

well, once someone starts a convo with me I open up

[next crescent]

Yeah I don't like it either

But it's still very intimidating to try and have a conversation too

[tidal shore]

if u ask me to be the convo starter I'll literally piss my lants

pants

[next crescent]

Same

[high storm]

I just threw myself af the wall of new group and just tried to adapt on the go

[next crescent]

If we find a topic we are both in tune with, I'll go ham if we are somewhere I know

[high storm]

Easy shit, super easy if you are colleagues or smth

[next crescent]

In the woods though? Eh you might be trying to talk my guard down so you can kidnap me

[tidal shore]

yeah, how do u find this easy?

what did u fo

do

[high storm]

With my groupmates?
Talk about next lesson
Talk about homework
Talk about exams
Talk about a new word you learned
Talk about an event
Talk about what you saw on street
Talk about what your plans are

And then segway anywhere you want

I yapped about fucking Usogui to my groupmate who doesn't even read manga for 15-20 minutes

[tidal shore]

I'm sorry for him

[dusty fable]

Half of that is you-centered tbh. Not bad, but you can do better

[tidal shore]

omg u too?

[high storm]

Because I don't know shit about the other person thus can't segway

He wanted a started

Those can start

I am not saying it has to be only these topics

[next crescent]

Yeah, when you're raised with the idea that women are small and helpless and that anyone could be out to get you, you kinda feel the need to have someone or something by yourself when you're out- or else a friendly face might become the last one you see

I don't need to be a missing person's case

And since I'm a woman I'm more prone to it

Or assault

[high storm]

Being afraid of being in the woods is universal experience imo

[tidal shore]

I'd say a healthy balance of sharing about yourself and talking about common interests/events is kind of important

[next crescent]

Nono not just the woods

It was just an example

That shit happens on busy roads

[high storm]

Oh well yeah that's fair

[next crescent]

Populated areas

And others

[high storm]

Not much to add

[next crescent]

Woods just seems universal as an example, yeah

[high storm]

How else would I start a convo if I give 0 shits about the person I am talking to?

[next crescent]

Besides, the woods are safer anyway, less people 😭

[tidal shore]

yea that's fair, one of the solutions just get a bf 🤓☝️

[next crescent]

How do I make sure I'm not the gf of another sociopathic liar and narcissist

[high storm]

I can approach a stranger to ask directions or laugh at a joke someone said in elevator or add to a convo uninvited

[next crescent]

Who treats you well at first then manipulated you into doing stuff you normally wouldn't

[high storm]

I ain't scared

[next crescent]

People are scary

[next crescent]

Yeah exactly

[high storm]

One mf said chainsawman anime was trash I barely contained myself to not tell him he fucking sucks

[dusty fable]

Yeah, ofc. But generally a person likes when you are interested in them, and not yourself

[high storm]

I was busy waiting for my food

[tidal shore]

no clue, this is actually what I'm worried about too especially cuz I tend to let people step over me

there's like red flags tho, right?

[high storm]

As long as it balances out it's alright

[tidal shore]

i read somewhere on reddit people like to joke like "how many red flags until u want him/her?"

flipping the trope on its head

[high storm]

As long as relationships benefit me with enough joy I am willing to consume some red flags

Idgaf if our politics or life ideas aren't shared, I am having fun for time being

[next crescent]

Exactly, and there are red flags but a good manipulator knows how to hide them well

Which is what I am kind of afraid of

[tidal shore]

true

honestly

[next crescent]

The last dude wasn't great but I also wasn't experienced with having good interactions with people so I just thought he was nice 😭

[tidal shore]

I think you can discern straightforward/honest people easily

so I'd shoot for that type if anything

[next crescent]

I try

[dusty fable]

Tbh, just get better at manipulation yourself. Manipulation can be positive, it's not always negative. So it can be a good thing to learn

[high storm]

Gaslighting isn't real you just imagined things

[next crescent]

No 😭

I don't want to manipulate people

I like being honest

[high storm]

Why not?

Lying is GOOD actually, sometimes

[next crescent]

Because I do not want to lose trust someone might have in me

[tidal shore]

well, cuz it feels bad?

[high storm]

Sometimes benefits outweigh the guilt tho

[tidal shore]

sometimes

not always

not often

just sometimes

[next crescent]

I think the only time I've ever done that was the whitest of lies where I told my mom I texted her friend if I could park at her campsite across the road

Her friend called me to let me know I could park there for her surprise birthday party

[high storm]

Most of the times I don't regret lying

[next crescent]

I do

I have a conscience

And it is very fragile

[tidal shore]

yes, see?

[high storm]

As long as my lie has no physical consequences it doesn't matter that much

[tidal shore]

what kinds of things would you even lie about?

[dusty fable]

There are good ways to do this. You can manipulate ppl to be better or do better. The simplest manipulation technique, is to share something of low value with another person with no strings attached. It can be used to make ppl feel better about themselves, and it's a good thing if it's honest. It still improves your manipulation techniques

[high storm]

Many? White lies mostly, I get no kicks from making shit up

[tidal shore]

yea so examples?

[high storm]

Like telling my mom I am fine and I don't need anything, telling my friend this and that, saying I like someone even if we don't talk for weeks

[tidal shore]

wow

[high storm]

It doesn't hurt them, it doesn't hurt me, it makes them feel good, only positives

[tidal shore]

I'd say

lying about liking someone

is kind of fucked up

they don't realise that the relationship is one-sided

and hollow

[high storm]

Nah I do somewhat but not that much I just don't want them to feel bad about it

Like my roommate

[dusty fable]

Yep, complimenting someone is also a good way to make another person feel better about themselves. And it can be done without an ulterior motive, but it is still a manipulation

[high storm]

I've known him for 3 years now, could not care enough to text him while on vacation

Not even once

Didn't even congratulate him on his birthday

I still talk with him anytime he talks in our room tho

[high storm]

I don't have a problem with white lies, I never make up stories of things that never happened or anything like that

[tidal shore]

so your vibes are neutral then

[high storm]

I am a very chaotic neutral as existence yes

I do things with some logic to it but ultimately from outside perspective most of them might seem random

I know that because people around me often tell me how they feel about me

Not in negative light tho, I am just a very goofy guy

Like, I made ice "cubes" in egg container (plastic one) yesterday

My roommate just said that he will remember me as a legendary moron

I just laughed

[dusty fable]

Honestly, you still need to read up on manipulation techniques, just to know what is there against you. Start with Chaldini's "Influence". It's not a long read, and a must read for everyone imo, just to be able to resist everyday manipulation s coming at you from news, advertising etc

[high storm]

@next crescent having life experience is much more valuable don't listen to allat

Lime is the type of guy to read "Rich dad, poor dad" to learn economics

[dusty fable]

Thing is, you won't know a bad book from a good one, considering you don't appreciate anyone's advise in this area

[high storm]

Lime I just don't respect YOU in particular due to your previous ideas it has nothing to do with it being a book

I just generally prefer first hand over retelling

[dusty fable]

Sure

[dusty fable]

The point is, if you learn only from ppl you like, you will live in an echo chamber

[high storm]

I never said anything about liking people, I just have enough experience to see when someone is doing something I strongly suggest they don't waste time on

I just voiced my opinion is all

I know the type of dudes who read few books to make themselves feel smart and then spend money on bets and crypto

I wouldn't take any advice from that type tbh

[tidal shore]

meh

[tidal shore]

what makes it a good book? also are you familiar with other books on this topic?

[dusty fable]

It's simple and based on scientific experiments done in that area. It's also about everyday stuff

[tidal shore]

also can I get a gist of it from simply reading or watching the abstract?

err

summary"

[dusty fable]

Well, it's not a very long read, you can just read it. The abstract is not very helpful as I remember

[tidal shore]

lazy

I'll watch a summary cuz lazu

it's probably going to talk about what I have alrdy picked up on passively anyway

[dusty fable]

You are likely to get something useful. Some of that stuff is counterintuitive

[tidal shore]

interesting

[dusty fable]

Considering other books, I do agree with Kvit that manipulation is better in practice, than from books. But I know decent books on behaviourial patterns, which makes you understand ppl better

[next crescent]

I am taking life experience to heart with trying to root out people who are and aren't genuine, so far it's worked in recent years

But when I barely had any experience with the outside world because of the way I was raised and "sheltered" in my home, I had absolutely no idea that people could even be manipulative because the only thing I had to compare them to were bullies at school who would be straight forward with their dislike/disdain for my existence or my mother who'd manipulate me in a rainbow of ways lol

[dusty fable]

One such book is Richard Restak "The Brain". It's more about how our brains are biologically wired

[long peak]

You guys giving kc life advice is very funny

[dusty fable]

Nothing wrong in that. Everyone has some life experience that you didn't have. Sometimes a kid has a thing or two to teach you

[long peak]

The kids at work do not teach me anything

[dusty fable]

Dunno what that supposed to mean.

[next crescent]

It kind of is

But yeah, everyone has life experience