・tc-lounge

[dusty pollen]

Seed reportedly didn't sell too well and I heard some people were already hedging their bets for a Sanby buff

And Sanby's buff being strong means it paid off

But to be fair it's more of a story or presentation problem—I wish they showed characters in story more sooner rather than simply same patch, or at least more than just 1 patch in advance

I can't deny that I'm annoyed she ended up a bit like firefly... fake robot, girl in a suit... Banyue being S rank right after made up for it though

[silk sluice]

Being a manato fan has to be constant suffering cause the cycle was:

• • Manato ends up being A rank *
• "At least he will be the only fire rupture option for a while"
• • Banyue gets anounced as fire rupture immediately after *
• "At least hes better than S11"
• • S11 gets buffed on the same patch *

[dusty pollen]

Hey, male fans at least can get a bit of treat, right?

We already got 3 males this season, even though 2 were A rank, but one is a good support, Manato is surprisingly good for budget rupture DPS

Let's aim for a new male in 2nd half of 2.x

[dense lantern]

hes be

nvm

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-11-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-aura-farming-gif-6094591281702069678

eternal aura farm

[thorn sun]

jahoda kit where

[buoyant ermine]

Shes trash so they’re never going to leak her until text kits

Trust

Idk what she’s going to do though, idk what would be valuable from an anemo 4 star that isn’t just sucrose

[thorn sun]

Jahoda kit designer making sure only the exploration mains get royally screwed over and have to pull for her

[buoyant ermine]

Shes going to be an overworld unit 🙏

[thorn sun]

shes cool tho, but they could make her kit absolutely trash

or kinda cool

if they're banking on her helping durin's banner sales, im leaning towards a good unit

[buoyant ermine]

Idk what they can do apart from being a Flins unit

[undone heron]

they never cared for male units that much

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-laugh-emoji-laughing-emoji-laughing-gif-14032389060536450162

[thorn sun]

They care about the 6.2 banner period.

That's a pivotal time to drain primos from players as much as possible before the archon.

[undone heron]

no they dont

[thorn sun]

Although, I guess last year they just put two key units on the same patch instead.

Rather than 5.2 and 5.3, it was all 5.3.

So maybe that's what they'll do with Bina and Celadon Mare.

[undone heron]

it rly doesnt matter bc jahodas kit being ass or not isnt dictated on which banner she is on or what she is preceded by

shes shit if the devs want her to be shit and shes good if the devs want her to be good

[limpid galleon]

Jahoda should be 5 star and varka should be 4 star

https://tenor.com/view/jahoda-jahoda-genshin-jahoda-yapping-jahoda-proud-jahoda-neffer-gif-13805140450727899320

[thorn sun]

Her presence in the story so far has been fairly big tho

And she's well liked by now

[tame tendon]

how close is genshins powergap vs star rail when they started buffing older units?

[dense lantern]

I didn't know genshin buffed older units now

O wait

Nvm

I mean they basically turned the like

Xiao of HSR into a pretty good character

And all the other buffed characters r way better

Like imagine going from c tier to s tier for some of them

[tame tendon]

i mean are we at a point in genshin where the power gap was as big in star for them to start buffing older units?

or is there other stuff that makes it different like if star rail endgame was harder

[dense lantern]

Oh

[dense lantern]

I mean star rail endgame got alot harder

But also the Genshin f2p characters r really good

[devout steeple]

Tbh genshin abyss have been easy when you do the fit the square in the square hole approach

[dense lantern]

And hsr hasn't released a 4* since like

A year ago idk

[buoyant ermine]

https://youtu.be/qEt0ek2mLHc?si=RmcHy23SJBIQGqZH

[thorn sun]

sound effects are nice

[buoyant ermine]

Agreed

Let’s get her

[thorn sun]

no

[buoyant ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[grand apex]

I agree.

[devout steeple]

TBF if durin is like a nothing burger

maybe

[tame tendon]

nod krai is a flop to me in regards to on field dps

give me someone versatile PLEASE

[thorn sun]

literally first proper 5-star pyro subdps unit ever
odds of nothing burger: low

[thorn sun]

bina

[tame tendon]

was mavuika versatile?

[devout steeple]

Ye all they need to do is lean towards high mvs some support abilities or low mv and alot of support abilities

Ye

all you need is a night soul bat

iansan and ororon teams been doing aight

[vapid current]

yes kinda. but she's also like "why are u using her as a support when she's broken as an on fielder"

[tame tendon]

i mean versatile soley as an on field dps

[vapid current]

oh

yeah

[devout steeple]

I mean tbh ye

[tame tendon]

all i hear is melt teams for her though so i was worried

[vapid current]

she's not rly team locked other than she wants a 2nd natlan unit to get full burst up

yeah melt is just broken

[devout steeple]

she works with vape furina

[limpid galleon]

Nah she’s got vape melt and overload

[devout steeple]

overload

[thorn sun]

there's a new power ceiling, which you can only reach if you pay for the new units
becuase of that, there's very few actually top tier units, which means low versatility in general

[limpid galleon]

I use her in burn sometimes

With emilie

🗣️

[devout steeple]

the weird she doing all the damage to carry the dead weight 4th team member

[vale granite]

oh this somewhat very unrelated and about star rail but my jing yuan sunday robin gallagher team did 24k pf second half but when me use new dan heng instead for sustain it now did 30k

[tame tendon]

i mean when mavuika was the new ceiling her versatility seemed decent enough

[vale granite]

made me thought oh maybe rememberance is really being carried by hyacine

[thorn sun]

look at skirk's 4th unit
it's the most versatile ever, you got like 5+ characters that can be swapped for eachother
but that's because they're all garbage 😭

[vapid current]

its a flex slot because she has 2 pretty hard fixed slots

[devout steeple]

skirk’s fourth is basiacally who do you got

[tame tendon]

i skipped skirk specificlly because i felt building her was lame

[thorn sun]

mav's versatility comes from the fact she kills the enemies before the other carry does 😭

[vale granite]

feel like genshin is going towards that your 4th slot needs to do too much dmg

[vapid current]

if they made a 3rd fixed slot, she'd be bricked unless u go all in on a skirk team

[vale granite]

too

like escoffier

[devout steeple]

she’s practically nothing without either one

[tame tendon]

no i mean she's versatile as just a carry. she has multiple different carry team options

i don't want to spend money just to use characters for one team. thats why i hate nefer rn

[thorn sun]

that just comes from overload and melt being sorta similar right
her vape team is a lot lower iirc

[devout steeple]

genshin is leaning towards a fixed 3 unit core then having room for a 4th slot with alot of not good but just usable options

[thorn sun]

nefer's a low pull value unit yeah

[vale granite]

oh i guess u can consider escoffier like a 3rd slot

[thorn sun]

like rly low tbh

[vale granite]

escoffier furina skirk the core

[devout steeple]

I mean the marketing strat is high value support that works with everyone then a specific dps that does eh without the support

[tame tendon]

im worried every nod krai on field dps is gonna be like nefer except maybe columbina

[vale granite]

me guess genshin isn't at the point yet where sustains have to deal like big % of team dps

cause of chars like benny

hopefully it doesn't get there cause hyacine does too much rip

[devout steeple]

Coffe ineffa lauma have been making rounds compared to the dps they tied too ( outside skirk )

[thorn sun]

yeah, but lauma for example isn't top tier by herself rn

her hyperbloom is what, 110k at best?

on a good day

[devout steeple]

I mean she is the best dendro support we got

But dendro floor isn't that high so ye

[thorn sun]

sure, but she's very skippable for established players

[dense lantern]

hi

[thorn sun]

amazing for new players tho

durin might be different tho

he seems less of a support and more gigadps rn

sorta like xiangling

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-enuma-elish-fate-strange-fake-enkidu-gilgamesh-vs-enkidu-gif-4100049469199249568

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-grand-order-babylonia-gilgamesh-laughing-gif-16416568110829300892

[hoary crest]

And they call ME a raiden glazer

[vapid current]

there's no way they will make a new pyro DPS less than a year after mav lol

[limpid galleon]

I hope durin is a dps but still worse than mav

That would be hilarious

[hoary crest]

Lyney players
Arle players
you are here

[thorn sun]

he won't be better than mav
but he'll be off field

is my guess

likely part of some really good endgame nod krai hexenzirkel teams

[vale granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sigewinne-genshin-impact-genshin-fontaine-oopsie-gif-12834880673288007650

[dense lantern]

hi punished snipe

[vale granite]

just need the pyro dps to be niche and hoyo can make it work

[hoary crest]

Hi

[thorn sun]

neuv when he finds zhongli at the meet and greet

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/satono-diamond-kitasan-black-dancing-tongue-out-umamusume-gif-10360028360813380941

[hoary crest]

Chief staller neuvillette doesn't have the balls to actually fight an archon that he supposedly dislikes

Maybe in 4 centuries

[devout steeple]

I would put zhongli and ei as best fighters for archons just cause of experience

[thorn sun]

true
we need alice in here to show everyone what real power looks like

[devout steeple]

But lik i won't say anything about power level

[hoary crest]

I hope alice isnt a fraud like basically all the other hyped chars

[thorn sun]

remember when albedo was like "hey alice i wanna do something cool"
and shes like "ok ill be right there"
and then she is literally right there

[hoary crest]

But i dont have much hope since she's currently afking the rerir conflict

[thorn sun]

dainsleif when a sinner is an actual threat

[hoary crest]

Dainsleif has been on fraud watch for 3 years

That guy actually doesnt do anything

[grand apex]

Ur acting like ur pfp fr.

[hoary crest]

Except lose to abyss sibling

[thorn sun]

i imagine she has a busy schedule

being, well, the protector of the world and stuff

[hoary crest]

Nah alice is free enough to go fucking around across the nations like in her travel guide

Its not cuz she's busy i guarantee

[tame tendon]

what benefit does durin being an upgrade to xiangling do for the game?

[thorn sun]

we can finally drop the xiangling meme for good

[tame tendon]

i mean for other characters

are there any bad carries that need xiangling in their team rn that would be saved with an upgrade?

[hoary crest]

Childe raiden

But they cant be saved theyre too bad

[tame tendon]

so then yeah durin adds nothing good to the game if leaks are true

raising the power ceiling is not a positive thing in this game

[dusty pollen]

... Is Lucia recommended stat pure HP?

[undone heron]

thats nothing

[tame tendon]

unless durin opens up a new archetype he's just more powercreep for devs to balance around

[vale granite]

during going to be the dps ceiling of pyro?

[undone heron]

rly far. a lot of limited units in hsr r practically unusable

[dusty pollen]

From what I got of his leaks it seems to be meant to save Hu Tao but also Wanderer

With the whole thing about uh... shredding pyro/anemo and another element

I want to say Neuvillette too but idk I don't think Neuvi is bad, he's just a little too flexible to a fault

[tame tendon]

anything stopping better anemo and pyro dps from also using durin? like if durins a big buff to both mavuika and hu tao then nothing changes for hu tao

that's why ninnguang is fucked: they cannot add anything into game that buffs her without buffing better units as well

[vale granite]

hsr nowadays feels like an e1 tribbie check if u want to use any dps from 1.0

1.x

[tame tendon]

fixed a typo

[dusty pollen]

The pyro application most likely

Bennett has little pyro application aside from burst, so he can be used to buff Mavuika

But I imagine with Durin if he can apply a lot of pyro aura it might interfere with Mavuika melt

[undone heron]

mhy sells solutions to the problems

we never needed mavuika

they just made enemies fatter

[dusty pollen]

Also tbh ever since Mavuika the ceiling hasn't raised yet

[undone heron]

we never needed nefer

but still made her anyway

[dusty pollen]

People are saying it will rise with Columbina but that's if she's a hydro DPS ... which just doesn't seem likely at this stage (maybe at later constellation)

If Bina is support, I don't think the ceiling will raise

[undone heron]

do we actually need another op hydro

no

[vale granite]

remember the 100 floors event that had like 3/5 stages with night soul dmg + 100% like buffs

[dusty pollen]

No

[undone heron]

but we r still getting columbina

[dusty pollen]

But I wouldn't mind a buffer who focuses on reactions anyways

Like someone that buffs reaction or lunar reaction or w/e

Just something that increases say, EC or bloom dmg?

[undone heron]

may this never happen to my goat columbina

[dusty pollen]

You're boring

😭

[vale granite]

hoyo saw the backlash from sigewinne then decided to make everything op ever since /s

[dusty pollen]

Plus it wouldn't invalidate furina anyways since furina focuses on DMG %, the reaction units don't care about DMG % but may appreciate Bina buff

[undone heron]

everyone else can get it but im not giving my girl a shelf life of 4 patches

go give it to angel

[buoyant ermine]

I’m bored let’s get Nefer

[dusty pollen]

To be fair, I'd like limited characters to be strong in its right

Nefer just has been a bit ..... weird

[vale granite]

omg just got this from opening abyss 11 box

[dusty pollen]

It turns out she had AoE all along! But leakers never bothered to check after v3

[dense lantern]

yo angelo

[buoyant ermine]

If the cancels work well with verdant dew then Nefer is going to have teams where she does like 116k dps

So she seems to be in a really good spot

[buoyant ermine]

And this is with C0 Aino and Kuki

[vale granite]

what

guess if me get a char with high ER need

[undone heron]

wao

i want that

[undone heron]

yasss danheng 3.0 bangin

[limpid galleon]

zam bro looks fire

[devout steeple]

His "mouth" is a retractable mask

[vale granite]

wait this boss has the double hp bar too??

[dense lantern]

yeah

hes fire rupture actually

[grand apex]

Yeah lmao.

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-zenless-zone-zero-yidhari-speed-laugh-gif-3797863913438566026

[devout steeple]

That's the only difficulty btw

[grand apex]

Wrong ping?.

[devout steeple]

The dude was just failing

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/banyue-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-banyue-zzz-pondering-my-orb-gif-5936926866301339140

[devout steeple]

Ye

[devout steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/zenyatta-banyue-banyue-zenless-zone-zero-zenyatta-banyue-balls-gif-10557342259662542347

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/banyue-zenless-zzzero-zenlesszonezero-gif-6015869434146476039

[grand apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-honkai-star-rail-hoyoverse-genshin-impact-speed-laugh-gif-2230330392318359132

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/banyue-zzz-zenless-zenless-zone-zero-banyue-zzz-gif-12570835068899061386

[dense lantern]

divine general

mahoraga

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/mahoraga-makora-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-15349122341911766662

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/lucia-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-ult-ultimate-gif-14943132522643580150

crazy how lucia is literally megumi!!

https://tenor.com/view/lucia-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-lucia-zzz-run-gif-13055688456632202562

[limpid galleon]

n

no

dont compare lucia to that loser

bum ass fraud

https://tenor.com/view/lucia-zzz-lucia-zenless-zone-zero-lucia-zenless-zone-zero-gif-1932882273995237898

https://x.com/meroo_art/status/1978581349289033990

Meroo🍰 COMMISSIONS OPEN (@meroo_art)

Woke up from a nap and used my free will
#Istaroth #GenshinImpact

X · Oct 15, 2025, 9:58 PM

[grand apex]

Bro got killed by a grade 10 curse behind target.

[devout steeple]

Haven't watched but why tf did he had to let the unbeatable monster out firghting who i assume is a normal highly skilled dude

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsukaisen-jujutsu-kaiden-muwah-gif-20790384

special grade miwa btw

[grand apex]

God knows how she became a special grade.

And how Megumi is alive.

[dense lantern]

he was ready to use it against his classmate btw

he wouldve if the guy with the voice power didnt stop him

like he was about to do it

😭

[grand apex]

YEAH.

HE WAS GONNA KILL TODO AND EVERYONE ELSE.

Megumi summoning mahoraga when the cashier gets his order wrong.

[devout steeple]

That's just incompetence now

[dense lantern]

megumi shouldve summoned mahoraga maybe he wouldve survived the grade 10 curse called regular animal

💔

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/megumi-fushiguro-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-mahoraga-gif-1488136044016425373

[grand apex]

Nah he tripped and died the 10th grade curse is Air.

[dense lantern]

💔

[long lance]

damn is durin bad

[vale granite]

on the abyss 2nd half

does lunar bloom really not work

to drain the second hp bar

u need lunar charge?

[wooden forge]

It only works if you do it with both Lauma and Aino on the team

[vale granite]

for some reason it doesn't work even with aino and lauma on my team

12-1-2

maybe 12-2-2 does

but for 12-1-2 that boss doesn't drain the 2nd hp bar

asap

idk if me missing a mechanic

[wooden forge]

Oh then it might be cooked 😭

[undone heron]

is there a new leak or is it just the same thing from 12hrs ago

[buoyant ermine]

Probably same one, although he got a buff since sucrose got added to the hex passive

So just slap sucrose and Durin on the same team

Hydro shred would’ve been great though so you could have Durin and sucrose on the Mualani team

[vale granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDnqJTan9Nk why these making new abyss look easy

me having a hard time clearing

[limber heath]

because the abyss is easy

[wooden forge]

Literally did 2 of the chambers in 1 flins rotation 😭

[wooden forge]

Who do you have

[dense lantern]

Watdahail

[wooden forge]

Nilou Nahida Lauma Kokomi
Mavuika Citlali Escoffier Bennett

[vale granite]

oh escoffier on melt team hmm

can do like 1:30 on first half

with lots of teams

will see how that second half goes

[vale granite]

oh mav can clear near 1 minute if lucky but me don't have anything for second half rip

[wooden forge]

Why not lunar bloom first half

[vale granite]

cause i need it for 2nd half

[sour rivet]

@rare portal what are your thoughts on the stock market? Do you think it's going down tomorrow

[vale granite]

rip over 2 mins

[wooden forge]

Wait I just cleared with Mav 2nd half though 😭

[vale granite]

hmm maybe ill try mav 2nd half later

[devout steeple]

My clear was pretty ez with this

( yes shilled units but hey )

[rare portal]

like a total crash?

maybe not.... but i feel like its coming soon....

[dense lantern]

Nah I heard ninjas make sure it won't crash

[dense lantern]

They do it in the shadows so we can't see them tho.

[rare portal]

the great nuiruto will make sure the stock market doesnt crash tomorrow.

[dense lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-in-the-me-that-believes-in-you-gurren-lagann-kamina-believe-anime-gif-4409237729437987538

Do u think this guy is a cool ninja

😎

[sour rivet]

I don't think a total crash but it definitely feels like something is happening, aren't you a finance person what's your opinion on it

[limpid galleon]

I miss yokai watch

https://tenor.com/view/remember-when-gif-14612637151641490440

[sour rivet]

I feel like it's going to have a medium crash soon before a massive rebound

[dense lantern]

Tomy

Did u see the lore of beyblade bro

Moses split the red sea with a beyblade

😭

They destroy galaxies bro

[limpid galleon]

Beyblade is peak

I haven’t watched it since like

[dense lantern]

Can't believe beyblade is one of the few animes with powers on the scale of gurren lagann 😭😭😭

[limpid galleon]

Beyblade burst evolution

[dense lantern]

Bro

I remember in martial arts class

Before the class started

[vale granite]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-moses-anime-gif-15728025

[dense lantern]

Me and my friends would play beybalde

We had beyblade battles

And beyblade played on the tv

😭

[dense lantern]

Ya 😭😭😭

[rare portal]

im very sure its coming within the next 2yrs if conditions contine..

[sour rivet]

I could've said that too

[rare portal]

i dont habe a lot to say...

[vernal verge]

hey how durin ? he is flame escofie or niche trash ?

[sour rivet]

Well I'm selling either way this is too sussy anyway I just needed someone to convince me not too

[rare portal]

we arent allowed to trade stocks personally basically

[sour rivet]

Too much insider trading?

[vapid current]

why

what's the point of selling. a market crash will eventually recover. unless u believe ur stock is actually gonna be worthless, what's the point. u sell when u need the money. otherwise u can hold.

[sour rivet]

Holding your money is a good idea but I feel like it's going to go down tomorrow and rebound on monday

I have my retirement where I hold forever and dont sell and my stocks account is where I stress about making gains or losses

🫡

[vapid current]

u get taxed on ur gains when u sell, no?? so realistically how much are u making by trying to game it.

its only if ur investing in stuff that you actually believe is peaking and will never recover is when u consider selling.

[sour rivet]

True I need to check how much I'll have to pay in taxes and if it's worth it

[sour rivet]

What are your thoughts on gold? I've been putting a lot in it myself

[rare portal]

i guess so... its that and compliance issues

[inner ether]

Moses and Ramses beyblade battle was so gas it’s in my top five bible moments

[rare portal]

i think you just have to have it screened through compliance first before you can buy it or something but absolute no was client stocks for insider trading reasons... im not sure

[inner ether]

Bed bath and beyond

[sour rivet]

Speaking of which my company is making a big move ATM and as a chemE I know a bit of stuff, I wonder if I should buy some of my company stocks...

[vapid current]

i personally dont have anything in gold, but a lot of old heads love it. iirc its quite a stable investment

[rare portal]

most perople just get family to buy though...

[vapid current]

they dont give u any?

[sour rivet]

They gave me some but Im thinking of buying more

[vapid current]

insider trading

[sour rivet]

Get your brother to buy your stocks and you can buy your brother stocks

[sour rivet]

It's not illegal if I don't get caught

[rare portal]

he isnt allowed to at his firm either

[sour rivet]

You are at different firms right?

[rare portal]

citadel and jane...

[vale granite]

omg started 2nd half with 08:45 and mavuika escoffier cleared with 07:10 remaining

escoffier broken for melt too woa

can see why they did the freeze restriction

@wooden forge escoffier is carrying my account wow

iansan isn't this good in the 3rd slot

[wet leaf]

What combo are you using with escoughier

[vale granite]

oh wait 0/2

am doomed

not enough time for 2nd

[flat elk]

AW YEAH POG DEADASS

[wet leaf]

Escoughier can only be better than c6 iansane if you use a different combo

[wooden forge]

It might be cooked 💔

[vale granite]

me will just redo and bring aino lauma on 2nd half

[limber heath]

for a fairly modern place, Nasha town sounds the most medieval in genshin and i love it

[muted geode]

U think this funny don't you

[limber heath]

huh?

what funny?

[wooden forge]

Cyrenes last chance 💔💔

[limber heath]

weird ass people here sometimes

[wintry sphinx]

NUI WHY DIDNT U HMU WITH UR BROTHER WHEN IM IN JAPAN RN

[flat elk]

https://tenor.com/view/save-us-please-save-us-please-save-us-v4-please-save-us-meme-please-save-us-hsr-gif-3683522281004691153

[wooden forge]

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CYRENE

PLEASEEE

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME

[flat elk]

if cyrene shit i am skipping until her rerun

fucking need hyacine

[rare portal]

he works in hk now

[mystic smelt]

chat I'm in the orientation through online and they have a feed of the f2f participants

[sour rivet]

We know where Eri is traveling to next

[wintry sphinx]

im actually planning to go HK in jan 2027

[muted geode]

Life

Life is funny

[vale granite]

oh it didn't screenshot in time @wooden forge but I managed to clear 2nd half from like 1min 20 seconds with kokomi furina aino lauma

[muted geode]

Hong Kong is not in Japan lmao

[sour rivet]

What about 2026

[vale granite]

my kokomi furina fischl kazoo still my best team

but i had to take away fischl and kazoo

[vale granite]

all because of lunar bloom

nod krai so bad u need 2 nod krai

[wintry sphinx]

im floridamaxxing again.... and prolly somewhere in eu

[muted geode]

I didn't say ur life
I said my life

See

[wintry sphinx]

kooratpicahmaxxing

[wooden forge]

This nod krai shill way worse than nightsoul we had it easy im cryin

[mystic smelt]

they're dressed business wtf

[buoyant ermine]

How are yall liking the new abyss I haven’t tried it

[mystic smelt]

ig dress to impress but idk

[buoyant ermine]

Cause I don’t have electro charge characters

[wooden forge]

Skirk?

[mystic smelt]

floor 12 is supposedly a breeze with flins but the first half is hell

[buoyant ermine]

No escoffier

[vale granite]

the last 2 months of my abyss kokomi hyper carried now my kokomi still carrying ft aino lauma

[mystic smelt]

second half with flins is ok

[drowsy sonnet]

with the recent mav dash combo things i finally cleared dire for the first time

[buoyant ermine]

But maybe a Skirk team with no coffee might be okay

[mystic smelt]

i might do a different team for first half

[buoyant ermine]

Omg the Nefer shill side lets goooo

Whats your team?

Is it not clearable with Llama hyperbloom?

[mystic smelt]

mav first half
flins second half

i feel like i should do hyperbloom instead

so i might retry with my raiden hyperbloom team

[buoyant ermine]

Yeah that might be the best bet cause I know the crab doesn’t want pyro

[flat elk]

first abyss with no mav

[buoyant ermine]

We won

But also this isn’t good I was hoping they would keep the hard shill for SO

And then abyss can be whatever you want

[vale granite]

escoffier so op

[flat elk]

i find it funny how i managed to beat overworld crab 3 badge challenge with mav cit xq lauma

but for this abyss yeah fuck no, no way i am trying that against the all succ dragon

[long lance]

I DID IT

[flat elk]

fucking butcher

did they inflate its hp again

[vale granite]

@wooden forge omg me just saw the gray bar drained ok my kokomi can carry this easy

[long lance]

g!characters

[molten maple]

Genshin Wizard | Character Summary

[vale granite]

u really just need to put duo core with aino lauma

[wooden forge]

That still being mother

[flat elk]

this chamber is a joke only two of those fuckers

[muted geode]

@limber heath btw sorry 😭 I was js messing around

[flat elk]

i find 12-1 harder than the rest

[mystic smelt]

https://fxtwitter.com/hxg_diluc/status/1979006095751368878?t=gdit8PVc3HbXEJB8mfdebA&s=19

HXG🍁 (@hxg_diluc)

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FxTwitter · Oct 17, 2025, 2:06 AM

[flat elk]

https://tenor.com/view/save-us-please-save-us-please-save-us-v4-please-save-us-meme-please-save-us-hsr-gif-3683522281004691153

if cyrene is still shit i am getting hyacine

[long lance]

i am done building pity

actually c2 flins looks nice, ykw i'll get it on rerun

[vale granite]

time to redo teams now

[long lance]

how much hp do the chamber 2 second half enemies have wtf

[sour rivet]

Florida was so nice I loved going to Tampa even if I spent the next 3 days in pain in my house

[sour rivet]

Get her cat ears if you visit, she'll understand the reference

[flat elk]

@opal bone IDK SHOULD I GET YIDHARI SHE IS SO FUN

[buoyant ermine]

They should put the bloom crab in every abyss it’s so cute

[flat elk]

i lowkey enjoy the bloom crab too

[plain portal]

Hsr v4 they didn't fix her ult recharge...its still slow
I guess they're done with her now...as someone who only pulled phainon as chrysos heir for dps she's looking pretty much a skip now

[flat elk]

HEESSSS BACKKKK

best patch

best game

[long lance]

can you mav skirk this abyss

[solar saddle]

whos that

[flat elk]

||POMPEYYY||

[flat elk]

skirk yes, uhhh idk about mav

[solar saddle]

but what if you close your eyes

eh eh oh eh oh

[flat elk]

STOP

[mystic smelt]

||isn't he dead||

[flat elk]

EH EH OH EH OH

[solar saddle]

[flat elk]

||its a dream-|| an event

so i am on copium

[solar saddle]

back to my interning phase smh

by

[long lance]

maybe i just use shill units

[flat elk]

HE CALLED ||YIDHARI LITTLE LADY||

OH MY

HE IS SO

URGHHHHHH

i might pull her for this

FUCKKKKKKKK

[long lance]

damn they delayed nefer teaser again

[twin thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/admire-vega-umamusume-umamusume-pretty-derby-wing-gundam-zero-super-robot-wars-gif-10773232063410962446

[devout steeple]

It's still 30 mins till usual posting time

[vale granite]

omg so close

[pale drift]

Kokomi DPS

not level 90

🥀

[mystic smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/FI1WnqW6Kc

[flat elk]

oh yeah nvm, skipping yidhari is easy

[devout steeple]

My boy does robo roids

Also no need for spoiler

[flat elk]

not taking any chances

[devout steeple]

Stream already showed they appearing anyway

[flat elk]

nah better be safe

[devout steeple]

There is like 1 active mod

Jk

[flat elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-all-of-china-knows-gif-4205818911751445716

[vale granite]

barely cleared 12-3 2nd half so hard

me can't over how u can go aino/lauma/flex/flex on like 12-1-2 and 12-2-2

they just there to stop double hp bar

[mystic smelt]

@candid torrent this is you in the future

bridesmaids from discord

[wooden forge]

She's cooked

Deep fried even

[lyric fossil]

https://youtu.be/WI8oxWTlRlI?si=ozN-Xyko1162cHA3

[flat elk]

i can't believe they fuck up THE elysia

[lyric fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/evernight-march-7th-uma-musume-honkai-star-rail-hsr-gif-15027739958491789520

[wooden forge]

IWinToLoseGaming>

[lyric fossil]

this guy is better

[wooden forge]

Ima watch both

[solid dust]

https://tenor.com/view/evernight-honkai-gif-18215518546975217765

[twin thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/tokai-teio-teio-tokai-uma-musume-umamusume-gif-15793596406862427304

[long lance]

damn no nefer teaser

[lyric fossil]

its out

[long lance]

link it then

[lyric fossil]

no

[long lance]

why

[mystic smelt]

https://youtu.be/egKU8L59cCQ?si=B8sx3fYCptw2UilY

https://youtu.be/MzIXKmJQxug?si=4MKwDVGAYfFObAc0

[vapid current]

ashru teaser

[mystic smelt]

okay it's nice to hear that in practice nefer feels great to play with nahida instead of lauma

another diluc edit 😭

[agile mica]

some ppl are just experts in ruining days

the things that happen when I don't get a say at all

[waxen hull]

nefer is not a hypercarry because hypercarry implies that nefer is the only one doing damage 💔

lauma's ult is closer to being lauma's damage than nefers

and nahida is straight up just a subdps

[wooden forge]

She's the most hypercarry hypercarry since mavuika xilonen Citlali Bennett

[waxen hull]

well no because all of nefer's "supports" are subdps with buffs

bennett and xilonen are not subdps with buffs

and citlali barely counts as a subdps

ig it depends whether lauma's flat buff or nahida's subdps actually contribute anywhere close to 10% of the teams total damage output

they probably dont so you can just call her a hypercarry anyway

[vapid current]

hypercarry is a term that generally means u have 1 unit that is doing all of ur dmg, and u have 3 other units that are buffing that singular unit. the goal of the team is to have 1 unit doing everything.

[wooden forge]

She does over 90% of the teams damage

[waxen hull]

then yeah she counts ig

shes just an awkward hypercarry considering her ideal supports arent supports

[lyric fossil]

Shes doing 95% team dps here

[lyric fossil]

Heah

Yeah

[wooden forge]

Lauma is a strict support because she doesn't hold skill she taps skill, and nahida does no damage

[waxen hull]

prime example being fischl

[lyric fossil]

She has one good suppirt

Support

[vapid current]

thats also because a lot of her options kinda suck, no?? like, ppl run XQ because his swords apply hydro. u dont even deal dmg with him

[lyric fossil]

Half support in aino

[lyric fossil]

Yes

[waxen hull]

Like I said I consider lauma's ult to be lauma's damage and not nefer's, despite it being added onto nefer's numbers

[lyric fossil]

Now nefer can dash cancel

[limber heath]

yea she does like 2k dps insane

[lyric fossil]

And her A4 increases the window of dew regeneration

[waxen hull]

i didnt say she was a good subdps

but she is a subdps

[wooden forge]

Laumas damage comes from her hold skill and she's not doing it on nefer teams, her ult barely does any damage 😭

[lyric fossil]

Her ult deals damage ?

[vapid current]

i dont think so

isnt it just a buff

like u get quills or w/e

[limber heath]

Yea and Diona is also sub dps

because her burst does dmg

[lyric fossil]

Quills

[waxen hull]

Her ult is a flat addition for 18-36 triggers of bloom, hyperbloom, burgeon or lunarbloom

[lyric fossil]

The role of the three in nefer comp is to supply Nefer with steroids

And energy

[waxen hull]

I consider flat buffs to be personal damage more than a real "buff"

[vapid current]

ye. i mean, there's probably a better term for it, but let shenhe have 1 thing. she can be its namesake

[sinful wigeon]

HEXEN CRUMBS

please be true

[limber heath]

bennett is sub dps then

[sinful wigeon]

Begging like the beggiest beggar

[waxen hull]

Don't be pedantic
Nahida is designed to do subdps and isn't good at it
Diona is not
Bennett is not

[lyric fossil]

Bennett adds flat atk

[limber heath]

Nahida is designed to apply dendro

[waxen hull]

Being designed for dmg and failing is not the same as being designed for raw buffing

[vapid current]

nahida is designed as a dendro applier

i wouldnt call her a sub dps

[sinful wigeon]

Wait is shiroha reliable chat

[waxen hull]

Then why does so much of her kit revolve around granting herself crit rate and dmg bonus for her skill?
She is designed to be a subdps
She just fails at it

[lyric fossil]

It can be personal damage if said flat buffs use her own stats for damage ig
But here its solely nefer’s

[lyric fossil]

Thats only in her spread comps

Tbh

Otherwise that passive is useless

[limber heath]

Diona is also designed to be sub dps by your logic

[waxen hull]

No it isn't?
It exclusively scales on Lauma's EM
Nefer's crit can trigger on it but at the end of the day it's Lauma's scaling not Nefer's

[limber heath]

that's how buff works

[wooden forge]

Wrap it up lowkey 😭

[limber heath]

they scale with the support stat

[lyric fossil]

Nefer is the one utilising them still, not Lauma
Scaling can be hers but she simply doesnt spend not one quill

[waxen hull]

No, you're just being ridiculous now
Diona doesn't buff her own ult damage nor does it scale on the same stat she's intended to build
Nahida gives herself crit rate and damage bonus for her skill and it scales on EM just like her ult buff does (albeit the ult doesn't scale on her em, just the party's highest)
I can't tell if you're genuinely stupid or just being obnoxious as a form of ragebait

[lyric fossil]

50/50

They leaked fatui pv

[undone heron]

nahida revisionsm is happening like what the sigma

[sinful wigeon]

Hoping they're right about hexen pv

Please

[long lance]

wasn't that liquidation

[limber heath]

wdym Diona doesn't buff her own dmg?

[lyric fossil]

They prolly are
For Durin’s case

[sinful wigeon]

Nicole screentime ✨✨✨

[long lance]

wonder if durin will be dps

[waxen hull]

Nahida is not a good subdps, she's far from it, but she is still designed to be a subdps
Diona can be a subdps but she is not intended to be based on her kit design - you can make her a subdps if you'd like to build atk and crit on her, but that's up to you to waste resources

[lyric fossil]

Nicole
Alice
Barbeloth
Octavia
Rhinedottir

[limber heath]

you are the one saying Nahida is sub dps just because she does some dmg

[waxen hull]

That is not what I'm saying at all

[undone heron]

first time im seeing diona being categorized as subdps

[limber heath]

even though her main use is for dendro app

and EM buff

she is never designed as sub dps

[waxen hull]

Is this actually ragebait

Are you fucking serious

[lyric fossil]

The argument rose from calling lauma in nefer teams as a sub dps

[waxen hull]

That has not been my point even once during this conversation

[undone heron]

dps (damage per sixminutes)

[lyric fossil]

Because lauma gave nefer her quills

[wooden forge]

are you rage baiting...

[waxen hull]

Nahida isn't a subdps because she deals off-field damage
Nahida is a subdps because she BUFFS her own off-field damage and is DESIGNED for it
She isn't GOOD AT IT
BUT SHES DESIGNED FOR IT

[limber heath]

you literally said Nahida is designed to be sub dps even though she never was

[long lance]

nahida is a support not sub dps

[waxen hull]

OH MY GOD READ HER FUCKING PASSIVE PLEASE

[vapid current]

nahida's primary design point is dendro applier. seconadry sub dps

[limber heath]

Fischl doesn't buff her own dmg, is she not sub dps now?

[waxen hull]

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

[undone heron]

this is like saying bennett and shenhe are subdps

[vapid current]

thats why she's "not good at it"

[lyric fossil]

Yep

[waxen hull]

She literally does
Read her constellations

[vapid current]

its not her primary function

[long lance]

how is nahida sub dps

[limber heath]

sub dps just means they are designed to does dmg
support means they are designed to give buff to others

[waxen hull]

Comparing a flat atk buff to flat dmg buff is wild

[limber heath]

it's as simple as that

[long lance]

always found the term sub dps stupid tbh

[lyric fossil]

Shemhe gives quills too

To skirk and ayaka

[wooden forge]

It's exactly like saying shenhe is a sub dps which is debatable tbh

[undone heron]

i think whats wilder is saying diona can be a subdps

[limber heath]

Nahida dmg is insignificant in teams that use her, she is just there for the dendro app and EM buff, she is a support

not sub dps

[long lance]

nahida is designed as a support

[waxen hull]

I AGREE
IM NOT THE ONE WHO FUCKING SAID THAT

i essentially said "build her as a subdps if you want but its a waste of resources"

in RESPONSE

[wooden forge]

You said nefer isn't a hypercarry and used nahida being a sub dps to help justify it 😭

[flat elk]

[undone heron]

does nahida also fall into this

[limber heath]

you literally said Nefer aint hypercarry even though she contributes 95% of her team dmg

[twin thistle]

I'm a subdps

[undone heron]

bc nahida in agg and spread isnt dealing peanut dmg

[gaunt marsh]

confess your love at least just say

[undone heron]

[lyric fossil]

Who is determined to be dps or sub dps is on their damage contrib

Nefer is 95%

Everyone else thrives on their paltry application damage

[wooden forge]

Diona ascends with cryo damage bonus so she must be a sub dps

[lyric fossil]

Nobody else in nefer team is built to deal damage

[limber heath]

and then said Nahida is designed to be sub dps even though her whole kit isn't mean to do dmg, even her EM buff doesn't apply to herself

[waxen hull]

Every single nefer team is built upon "subdps" style units
She's SUPPOSED to be a hypercarry because that's what she's designed for
but we do not have the characters for that right now because she doesnt lke damage bonus

[gaunt marsh]

charlie kirk

[flat elk]

@limpid galleon dude... i think spook shack is better than obol....

their stories are peam

also for a normal team they are fucking packing

[waxen hull]

her kit IS meant to do damage its just NOT GOOD AT IT
LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE PLEASEE 🙏

[limber heath]

when was having dmg% is considered to be a carry?

[waxen hull]

????
WHEN DID I SAY THAT

are you fucking illiteratew

[flat elk]

a rich girl, 2 most trusted members of the city (one of them is an experiment), a girl who can summon ethereals and ||a proxy||

[waxen hull]

i am five seconds away from blocking you

[flat elk]

civilians that are packing

[vapid current]

every single nefer team is built around elemental app, she doesnt rly care about "sub dps"

[limber heath]

you literally just said

[vapid current]

i think its wild to say nefer isnt a hypercarry when ppl use xq on her team when she doesnt use NAs

[lyric fossil]

I think they meant to say nefer doesnt have many supports rn

[waxen hull]

i said nefer doesnt work in hypercarry teams because she cant use damage bonus very well
i didnt say she's a failed carry because carries need damage bonus
if you wont read what im fucking saying then this argument is a one-sided waste of time

[limber heath]

???

[waxen hull]

thank you
you are the first person to actually read what ive been saying so far

[limber heath]

why would you need dmg% to be considered hypercarry?

[vapid current]

its not about dmg bonus, its just about buffs

[waxen hull]

I STILL

DID NOT

SAY THAT

I NEVER ONCE

[limber heath]

you literally just said that

[waxen hull]

SAID THAT

NO

[limber heath]

[lyric fossil]

Nekone is reading very literal

[waxen hull]

but that is LITERALLY not what i said

[limber heath]

every Nefer team is a Nefer hypercarry team

[flat elk]

[limber heath]

because she does like 90%+ of team dmg

[undone heron]

unironically yes

[twin thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/g-gundam-gundam-domon-domon-kasshu-umamusume-gif-5692889469136274186

[waxen hull]

I am saying
Nefer would ideally work with support units
But support units dont work on nefer because support units mostly give dmg bonus right now
We cant run a very good hypercarry team for her because supports like that dont exist
i didnt say she needs to use dmg bonus to qualify as a fucking hypercarry

[limber heath]

it's the same for Mualani team

[waxen hull]

i never once said anything close to that

[limber heath]

a d Mav melt team

[wooden forge]

Every character that you run with nefer is a support 😭 am I missing something?

[waxen hull]

i said dmg bonus is the only supportive option we have for hypercarry teams
lauma being a res shredder is the only decent exception we have

[undone heron]

so whats with terminology gynamstics

[wooden forge]

Why does this matter anyways

[waxen hull]

fischl is one of c0 nefers best teammates
name one way fischl supports nefer

[vapid current]

he's using generalist terminology but only applying to current units. nefer is a hypercarry, but her current support options suck. instead of saying this we have to have a 20 minute argument about diona sub dps

[limber heath]

what? Fischl Nefer? What?

[waxen hull]

it doesnt im just pissed off because nekone is illiterate and decided to make it my problem

[wooden forge]

Kuki is...

Fischl nah..

[limber heath]

what team are you playing?

[undone heron]

this is like xiao discourse in 2021 when faruzan and xianyun didnt exist so we had to play fanfic on terms that buffed plunge dmg

[deep niche]

nefer lauma aino kuki/suc/instructor flex/healer

[waxen hull]

"nefer doesnt need dmg bonus and we only have dmg bonus supports right now so nefer doesnt have many support options"
"why does she need to use dmg bonus to count as a hypercarry"
"thats not what I said"
"why does she need to use dmg bonus to count as a hypercarry"
"thats STILL not what i said"
"why does she need to use dmg bonus to count as a hypercarry"
i think me getting annoyed at this interaction is justified

its fucking mindless

[undone heron]

so what are u fighting for

like what beef do u have

[waxen hull]

im not anymore i just blocked them

[undone heron]

[waxen hull]

problem solved

[mystic smelt]

the biggest beef steak

[waxen hull]

ive never seen someone talk like that and it NOT be ragebait

its concerning

[deep niche]

ShE nEedS dMG bOnUs 🤪

[lyric fossil]

Yes

[lyric fossil]

People need to condense their arguments and use apt counter examples more tbh

[waxen hull]

ahh i miss my goated xiao bennett albedo zhongli team 💔

[lyric fossil]

To avoid this confusion

[waxen hull]

my entire argument was around ten words total i just ended up having to re-explain it fifty times

it looked a lot longer than it was

[flat elk]

lore accurate

[waxen hull]

i just had to do mental gymnastics to get around whatever the fuck they were stuck on

[waxen hull]

why is she so small

[limber heath]

why did you say Nefer is not hypercarry? that's the entire argument

[deep niche]

fiexiao is hot

[waxen hull]

Does anyone know if this is exclusive to normal and charged attacks or if it can be triggered by other talents too
1.0 weapons are hard to navigate sometimes

[lyric fossil]

all attacks

[deep niche]

huggable wolf tomboy gf

she kicks too

[undone heron]

xiao was the very first hypercarry in the game he was the pioneer of selfish gameplay

[long lance]

i think nod krai will have a wild hunt normal boss eventually

[lyric fossil]

a serpent one is very likely

or a beast

[limber heath]

a whale

[lyric fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-smash-carriage-destruction-boss-gif-5041411

[long lance]

probably in the next expansion

[lyric fossil]

Solovei brother lore

[long lance]

is c2 flins good

[lyric fossil]

no

hes worse than mavuika

[waxen hull]

because we dont have enough real support units to give nefer a hypercarry team yet
lauma works but you need 4 for a team
nahida is a failed subdps that ended up turning into a support
furina's dmg bonus does barely anything
xingqiu doesnt buff nefer at all
yelan is just xingqiu with more dmg because her dmg bonus does barely anything like furinas
we dont have characters that buff nefer so we end up using awkward stand-ins

[long lance]

are you being serious

[waxen hull]

we dont have REAL supports for nefer besides lauma

[long lance]

i'm thinking of getting c2 flins tbh

[lyric fossil]

no lol

[long lance]

on rerun

[lyric fossil]

flins is good but save up for someone else

[long lance]

what about on rerun?

[deep niche]

'awkward standins' yea cud not be described better

[limber heath]

yea i feel like talking to a well lmao
wdym "give Nefer a hypercarry team"

[waxen hull]

You're alone on this one
Everyone agrees that nefer doesn't have good support options

You are the exception

[wooden forge]

I got it and I love it

[long lance]

feel like nod krai will have a hydro support and buffer in the future hmmm

wonder who that'll be

[limber heath]

every Nefer team is a Nefer hyper carry team

[long lance]

[limber heath]

Nahida ain't sub dps, she never was and never will

[waxen hull]

i cant be bothered with this

[flat elk]

hmmm yeah who will it be i wonder

[undone heron]

i agree both with tree and nekone

ur both right

[limber heath]

"we don't have characters that buff Nefer"
feel like you are not in the tc space at all

[lyric fossil]

the only sub dps that nefer has is ineffa and only coz she buffs nefer with her burst

[long lance]

maybe i shouldn't have spent money on flins, actually in hindsight nah

[waxen hull]

Give me a decent nefer buffer besides lauma or diona

Then maybe I'll consider your point

[wooden forge]

Its around the same damage increase you get from c1 if you have ineffa

[lyric fossil]

aino
inefa

[limber heath]

Aino, Ineffa

even Nahida

[lyric fossil]

albedo ?

[limber heath]

250 EM is not good enough?

[undone heron]

yall

[long lance]

c1r1 costed as much pulls as a lucky cor1 would be

[flat elk]

there is no ur both right in here, time to duke it out and see which one is the most right

[limber heath]

not to say Deepwood and SMS

[waxen hull]

Ineffa doesn't buff lauma even a single fucking bit what
Holding a set bonus does not count

[undone heron]

em sharing is not a good definition of a good buffer

[waxen hull]

Ascendant gleam does not count either because lauma and aino both do that

[undone heron]

do u see albedo and sucrose in alhaitham teams

[limber heath]

???

[lyric fossil]

she does though
inefffa gives 200 em with her burst

and then theres her paltry but non negligable sub dps

[undone heron]

we have to stop the aino shilling

actual deadweight

[limber heath]

so you know that characters are designed with artifact set in mind?

[lyric fossil]

aino is better than furina and yelan here

[waxen hull]

nevermind you have a point i completely forgot ineffa did that

[wooden forge]

The truth is the 2 supports in a nefer team besides Lauma is ass but that doesn't mean they aren't supports. So where do we go from here

[lyric fossil]

aino gives EM on which nefer double dips and has really low cds

whicch nefer wants

[undone heron]

if ur utility is given upon lv20 0/0/0 ur dog unit and a placeholder

[limber heath]

Aino gives EM, Lunar reaction dmg bonus

can use Ins for even more EM

[topaz bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/aino-aino-genshin-genshin-genshin-impact-attack-gif-12325009601762718449

[lyric fossil]

it is a placeholder that is far better than existing supports because she gives stats nefer cares about

[waxen hull]

So you know that, if aino and lauma are already holding deepwood and silken moons serenade, you can't run either of those on a fourth unit
right
so set bonuses cannot be counted as a fourth unit in that team because theyre already on the second and third

[limber heath]

Nahida gives 250 EM, 120 more from SMS

[wooden forge]

Instructor

[limber heath]

Aino is on ins

[undone heron]

saying there is no other option =/= saying it is a good character

[limber heath]

you are not very familiar with Nefer tc aren't you?

[waxen hull]

You say this as a person who calls fischl a support and diona a subdps

But okay

[plain portal]

Let's not forget aino buffs are locked to cons and you're not getting that unless you pulled on flins banner which is irrelevant to nefer pullers

[lyric fossil]

that means she is a good option

[undone heron]

no

wtf

[lyric fossil]

not a good character

[undone heron]

[limber heath]

except Aino is good
example of something not good is Kachina

[waxen hull]

the least useless =/= a good option

[limber heath]

unconditional good off field hydro app with low energy requirements, EM buff for party, Lunar reaction dmg bonus

idk what more you want

[vapid current]

technically correct to say she is a good option if u dont have any other option available.

[limber heath]

if that's not considered good

[wooden forge]

Pulling c1r1 nefer and I got c6 Aino I love top up bonus

[lyric fossil]

shes a ggood option for reasons apart from being the least useless

[limber heath]

what does Xilonen give? shred

is Xilonen not good now?

that's literally what all Xilonen does

yet people say she's good

[waxen hull]

I wouldn't really consider 125 EM from albedo (for just one example) a very good buff considering it is the only thing he provides besides maybe instructor on a hydro crystallise and his elemental application is useless otherwise

[vapid current]

an option would be something u have the choice of. columbina is gonna be better than aino, no matter what even if she's an on fielder (given what mav is, I'd bet even if she's designed as an on fielder she will have off field utility). but she's not currently an option.

[wooden forge]

Xilonen lowkey falling off 😭

[limber heath]

and somehow all the things Aino does don't make her good?

[lyric fossil]

he also gives nod krai resonance
he is the actual worst viable option according to calcs for now

[plain portal]

Actually if you can get c6 aino before colombina she'll also be bis 4th slot on nefer team when columbina releases unless columbina doesn't heal in which case pull c1 lauma

[waxen hull]

em buffs alone do not qualify a character as a "good" nefer support
they qualify a character as a "viable" nefer support at best

[undone heron]

if nightsoul was only triggered by having two natlan units and vape only can happen if two natlan units were on the team and scroll can only happen when two natlan units were on the same team

kachina would be having the same shooters and meta viability run as aino has rn

thats how dog aino is

[waxen hull]

This is a pointless statement because that's not something unique to albedo, he just happens to use the right stat

[limber heath]

either you're a troll or just completely clueless about tc

[plain portal]

So Nefer bis 4 cost team would be nefer lauma c1 columbina aino c6 or even 3 cost if columbina heals

[lyric fossil]

pretty much

[waxen hull]

I reiterate
You said earlier that fischl is a support and diona is a subdps
We are not going to take you seriously

[lyric fossil]

yyeah

[vapid current]

kachina is a lot worse than aino at a baseline

[limber heath]

by your logic

[undone heron]

i cannot be convinced a unit is great when its a plug unit at level 1 and i do not have to raise talents

[lyric fossil]

no ? aino is good outside of nod krai teams as well

[waxen hull]

It doesn't remotely align with my logic but whatever floats your boat buddy

[limber heath]

ye i'm not gonna take people who never actually discuss tc in tc channel seriously

[vapid current]

because ur forgetting a fundamental part of this game is elemental app can make a unit good. kachina loses by being geo and its a bricked element

[lyric fossil]

aino is goated for overvape arle

[vapid current]

a unit that does 1 dmg but applies cryo so mav can do 2 million dmg instead of 1 million dmg is good by virtue of being able to do that.

[long lance]

what's a good amount of pulls for c1 r1 btw

[plain portal]

Kachina also doesn't have decent buff outside scroll unlike aino who gives unique buff like lunar dmg bonus on top of sms 120 em

[long lance]

like what number

[waxen hull]

on top of that kachina's only real value outside of mavuika/geo teams is being a scroll holder
any other natlan character can do that
and in mavuika teams she just uses nightsoul
any other natlan character can do that
and in geo teams she buffs def a bit at C4
gorou can do that and most people have him C6 by now

[lyric fossil]

300

[limber heath]

let's see how many messages you have in TC channel
oh would you look at that, zero

[long lance]

300?

isn't that a lot

[plain portal]

Like aino is actually good if you can get c6 that is but regardless she's still in much better spot than kachina could ever be

[undone heron]

if xingqiu was a nodkrai unitwho could trigger the artifact set and team bonus flins would never need to use that bug eyed orphan

[lyric fossil]

a lot can go wrong

[waxen hull]

Regardless of what you wanna throw at me, you're the one who called fischl a support and diona a subdps

That isn't going to change

You're not worth debating

[long lance]

is 164 a good amount

or not

[lyric fossil]

dont you have flins c2 rn ?

164 can net you by luck

[long lance]

no

c1r1

[limber heath]

did i? or was you the person who said Nahida is sub dps?

if Aino is bad then what is Xingqiu? Sucrose? Fischl? garbage?

[lyric fossil]

no, xinqiu will be ass because his cd is far longer than manageable for flins

[long lance]

i built some more pity after flins tbh but now i've stopped

[waxen hull]

Nahida IS a subdps
She isn't good at it
She's a shit subdps and her buff is the only reason shes relevant
But she is still designed to deal damage, whether she succeeds or not

[limber heath]

yea not gonna take you seriously after that Nahida thing

[waxen hull]

Being bad at damage doesn't change the fact that she's designed for it

Whether you like it or not

[long lance]

if nefer doesn't take till guaranteed saving for durin will be much easier than expected

[plain portal]

Why use hypothetical scenario to judge characters instead of looking at what they actually do...

[limpid galleon]

i still cant tell if hes being sarcastic

[waxen hull]

Who's using a hypothetical scenario

[lyric fossil]

hes being fr

[limpid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-zenless-zone-zero-yidhari-speed-laugh-gif-3797863913438566026

[undone heron]

on actual gameplay xingqiu clears faster than aino with flins

i play all three units everyday. she is literally just there bc of the rac ist set and team bonus

[limber heath]

show

[long lance]

i've found my lucky nod krai summoning spot anyway

[limber heath]

please show a Flins Xingqiu run

[plain portal]

This right here

[waxen hull]

xingqiu can use that set anyway

[undone heron]

lfg flins mains...

[lyric fossil]

do you have ineffa ?

[undone heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792147187076694057/1422850913856520272/trailer.gif

[waxen hull]

It doesn't have to be equipped on a nod krai character it just requires the team to be in the ascendant gleam state
Xingqiu can use it

[long lance]

is he wrong

[limber heath]

you don't even need to put NK support set on Aino

[flat elk]

LEGENDARY CLIP

[wooden forge]

Not with neuv furina ineffa Lauma 😭

[limber heath]

anyone can use it

[undone heron]

i cannot wait for columbina so his teams actually has units that pull some actual work and real dmg

[plain portal]

She uses instructor mostly

[limber heath]

if you want it on XQ put it on him

[plain portal]

Sms is on sub dps or lauma

[long lance]

columbina will be a good char but

[vapid current]

columbina on fielder pls

[limber heath]

Xingqiu is just not good
he doesn't offer anything except underwhelming off field dmg, some hydro app you don't really need, and 0 buff

[long lance]

i feel you'll get more out of her if you pulled for more nod krai units than just her

[wooden forge]

And an extension of your rotation time 😭

[undone heron]

columbina on fielder is fine bc all we want is usable units on his team and not deadweight

[lyric fossil]

and his contrib falls when flins is hyper invested

[plain portal]

Flins definitely will have better option than aino when columbina arrivee unlike nefer though who'll be stuck with her either way

[wooden forge]

What makes Aino good is her short burst cooldown

[vapid current]

because rev vape got crept with citlali finally enabling proper melt. no one cares about rev vape teams anymore, which is where xq got his use from.

[limber heath]

people need to actually look at what a unit provides instead of assuming "oh she's free she's bad" or "there will be better unit later so she's dog shit"

[topaz bobcat]

Me skipping flins, nefer

[undone heron]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-young-dylan-precisely-absolutely-thats-the-point-gif-23618575

[plain portal]

Which is why aino should be on nefer banner...

[vapid current]

yeah but nefer is hotter

[lyric fossil]

its criminal how she does more for her than flins but nefer doesnt get her

[wooden forge]

That one period of time when kachina was better than chiori and albedo for Navia 😭

[vapid current]

and she shows full thigh

[limber heath]

Aino offers more than most 4* does, only behind Bennett, Iansan and Chevreuse

[vapid current]

while flins wears pants

so who is really winning

[waxen hull]

Not for long

[lyric fossil]

but flins has nice hair

and tall

or was tall until he arrived

[limber heath]

his hair would be better without the long part

what you call it?

[lyric fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/rerir-rerir-genshin-genshin-rerir-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-rerir-gif-9147977766471475419

[waxen hull]

See Flins doesn't need to be half naked to be hot

[limber heath]

mullet?

[lyric fossil]

i dont like it but i also like it

[waxen hull]

granted I wouldn't complain if he was

but he doesn't need to be

[limber heath]

it's like Ganyu's

[lyric fossil]

hhes meant to be a sneznayyan misogynistic noble

[ember oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-varka-genshin-varka-gi-varka-gif-3556363492136841423

[waxen hull]

where did the misogynistic part come from

????

[lyric fossil]

rerir x varka pls be true

[lyric fossil]

his character story

he left sneznaya and the tsar palace because he didnt like the regime change to a woman

he then came to nodd krai and slept in a grave

[vapid current]

real??

[ember oasis]

they met off screen in the last scene of the AQ, it can only mean one thing

[flat elk]

the only correct answer

[vapid current]

thats kinda based. they should've marketed that

[waxen hull]

This is such a reach what

😭

[lyric fossil]

i am obviously joking about the misogyny but yeah he doesnt like the tsaritsa

[limber heath]

they f?

[lyric fossil]

and the screen goes blank

[vapid current]

in his drip they should've had tsaritsa just say "this dude HATES women" and that's it

[waxen hull]

Flins isn't misogynistic he's just gay and lost interest in Snezhnaya when the hot leader died

[ember oasis]

this is a pg13 game, they had to fade to black

[limber heath]

fought
what were you thinking?

[lyric fossil]

if he was gay he would have stuck around for rasputin

[limber heath]

they obviously fought eachother

[waxen hull]

nuh uh

[ember oasis]

that's also a way to say that, yes

a "fight"

[lyric fossil]

remember

[ember oasis]

wrestle might even be fitting