・lore-basement

[thick oyster]

The absolute apex

[odd thicket]

In strength

[thick oyster]

And character

[odd thicket]

Ig so

Hmmm

[thick oyster]

No one else could withstand what he went through

And it's that pain he'll be reborn enlightened

With control over the Night Kingdom and the Ley Lines

[odd thicket]

Leyline control puts him in odds with Loom of Fate storyline

He wont be getting the Leylines

[thick oyster]

No it doesn't

[thick oyster]

He will

[odd thicket]

It does

[thick oyster]

Loom of Fate are new Ley Lines

Outside of the old

[odd thicket]

Loom of Fate would be abyss and under Ved’s control

[thick oyster]

It doesn't

[thick oyster]

Exactly
While Capitano controls the old

[odd thicket]

The old needs to be burnt off for the new to be

[thick oyster]

He is the new Saarelainen

Or the new Nibelung
One of the two

[thick oyster]

No it doesn't

[odd thicket]

We already have an Ajax

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

Irminsul was already old

[thick oyster]

He isn't Saarelainen

At all

They don't even share a real name

[thick oyster]

No

[odd thicket]

He is the closest following the tale of Ajax

[thick oyster]

He's corrupted

[odd thicket]

Nop

[thick oyster]

Foul Legacy distorted his fate
It explicitly says so

[odd thicket]

Thus far he has fulfilled everything in that story

[odd thicket]

Distortion yes but not stall it

[thick oyster]

His fate is the whale

[odd thicket]

Like rhine offered for Durin

[thick oyster]

That's why it's his constellation

[odd thicket]

Ajax battled a dragon underground
Childe fought a whale under the sea

Distortions are because of his relation to Surtalogi

[thick oyster]

A whale isn't a dragon

[odd thicket]

Whose fate is frozen

[odd thicket]

Said whale was playing the role of Nibelung

[thick oyster]

If remaking a descender was this fucking easy then why has no one done it before

[thick oyster]

No
Saarelainen never fought Nibelung

[odd thicket]

Hes following the recorded story of a descender
Not the descender themselves

[odd thicket]

He fought a dragon though

[thick oyster]

So he won't become the new Saarelainen

That's Capitano

[odd thicket]

He could

[thick oyster]

Yeah, a dragon

[odd thicket]

He is closest in spirit

[thick oyster]

There are a few

[thick oyster]

Capitano sacrificed himself just like Saarelainen did for his love

[odd thicket]

Whale was playing the role of dragon in Childe’s story

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen won though

[odd thicket]

Capitano had no pale lover

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/skirk-genshin-impact-tartaglia-childe-out-gif-16838037374504354609

[odd thicket]

Childe is in his training arc pls be kind

[thick oyster]

He had his comrades
Saarelainen also helped cure the sickness of his friends

[odd thicket]

[thick oyster]

He's the Rock Lee of Genshin

The potential man if you will

[odd thicket]

Just need to give him the gnoses

[thick oyster]

Capitano will be getting them

[odd thicket]

Capitano is Harbinger 1
Childe is 11 , two 1s

Twice the priority of getting gnoses

[thick oyster]

The goatness of two Capitanos cancels out

[odd thicket]

Also we are forgetting

[thick oyster]

And he becomes a fraud

[odd thicket]

Ajax was the second strongest in his troupe

[thick oyster]

Are you forgetting that we don't get SPs in Genshin?

[odd thicket]

Theres always a time for a first

[thick oyster]

Honestly could mean that Ajax wasn't Saarelainen cause who was stronger than a Descender?

Makes no sense

[odd thicket]

And we can clone Childe but with Saarelainen’a bits

[odd thicket]

I mean
Descenders are simply variables

Someone stronger than them could he present

[thick oyster]

Yeah but Saarelainen had the power of all seven gnoses

[odd thicket]

Doesnt make him supreme

[thick oyster]

And we just saw a gnosis ||Burn down Irminsul||

[odd thicket]

Columbina has power of the Tri Lune

[thick oyster]

But who could be stronger than that?

[odd thicket]

She is still jot a descender

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen would be stronger

[odd thicket]

With fate yes
But not power itself ? Idts

[thick oyster]

Because her power is leeched from Nibelung

[odd thicket]

Oh and

[thick oyster]

He could have had reality bending too

[odd thicket]

That fire was from ||Xiuhcoatl||

[thick oyster]

Since he opened Pohjola

[thick oyster]

From the pyro gnosis

[odd thicket]

Yes
A gash into the ground

[thick oyster]

Because like the Traveler Saarelainen would have absorbed the power of Phlogiston

[odd thicket]

The gnosis could act as a storage

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen should be like the Traveler and absorb elemental powers from the Ley Lines

In fact they say that explicitly

[odd thicket]

Hmmm
Still leeching power

[thick oyster]

Well yeah
But they have the ability to defy fate

[odd thicket]

Yes
And that alone doesnt make them strongest

[brave marten]

god I hate descenders a lot

[odd thicket]

Thats how i came to reconcile the contradiction

[thick oyster]

But he had the power of all seven gnoses

[thick oyster]

I pray they get a new name

[brave marten]

not the name

the concept

[odd thicket]

We havent seen how Gnoses work separately from elemental power yet i think

[thick oyster]

They do something to maintain Phanes' order too

[brave marten]

do we know if that's his power or you can make such items from the body of any descender

[odd thicket]

Besides that, yes

[thick oyster]

Probably his power

[thick oyster]

Why though

[brave marten]

I'm lowk just hating on the traveler cz everytime he can do something others can't do cz he's a descender

[odd thicket]

Also important info bit about Childe
He was discovered by Skirk sometime after she reached Hyperborea

[brave marten]

what made him a descender then

[odd thicket]

They definitely had information on creating a Descender

That must be why Surtalogi sent her there in the first place

[thick oyster]

Fair

[odd thicket]

The only thing left for Surtr is conquering Fate

[brave marten]

why would Surtalogi want that kind of information

[thick oyster]

The fact he could absrob and bend the elements of the world to his will

[thick oyster]

I actually think he wants to learn the ability to create life from Seutervoinen

[brave marten]

he should've already conquered it no

he left Teyvat hundreds of years ago

[odd thicket]

He is a shounen villain seeking ways to strengthen himself so theres that

[brave marten]

he's no longer bound by fate

[thick oyster]

So that he could litter the galaxy with future strong warriors to fight

[brave marten]

and he's a sinner

[odd thicket]

No, he stalled it.

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir says no one can proscribe him

[odd thicket]

Yes
Stalling it
But he cannot edit Fate of others as he pleases

Rerir couldnt

[thick oyster]

He did indirectly through altering Childe's fate

[brave marten]

hold on isn't the voyager from a race that records other civilizations?

[thick oyster]

Rerir will succeed in the end

[thick oyster]

Yes

[odd thicket]

He is the strongest character in game lore as of now, yet Fate is beyond him, he merely hid himself

[brave marten]

what if he wanted the voyager because he just wanted to find more civilizations that has strong warriors around the galaxy

[thick oyster]

Narratively still below prime Phanes and Nibelung

[odd thicket]

Potential happy love story

[brave marten]

I find it hard to believe that Surtalogi didn't conquer fate

[odd thicket]

No he should be above both

[thick oyster]

This will be a romantic story like no one has seen before ahhh

[odd thicket]

In raw strength i mean

[thick oyster]

Doubt it

[thick oyster]

Doubt it

[thick oyster]

Maybe

[odd thicket]

They can still fuck him up with them being a Variable

[thick oyster]

And raw strength

Get frozen in time

[odd thicket]

Surtalogi destroyed numerous stars and planets though

[thick oyster]

Nibelung and Phanes could probaly do the same

[odd thicket]

Nibelung and Phanes struggled inside one planet

[thick oyster]

That's because they're relative

And Teyvat is special

[brave marten]

yeah there's nothing that implies either of them is that steong

strong

[odd thicket]

Phanes took 40 years to conquer Teyvat

[brave marten]

it shows the sovereigns are just that strong not that PO is weak

[odd thicket]

Nibelung could only burn down Natlan’s leylines

[thick oyster]

Because the Sovereigns were very strong
The power level of Teyvat is higher than other planets

[brave marten]

or at least were

[thick oyster]

He wrecked the entire planet

[odd thicket]

Yep
But Surtalogi is next level though, he bested and made a planet - star eater his pet

[brave marten]

yeah I do think Surtalogi is way stronger

[thick oyster]

The Narhwal lost to Neuvillette

[thick oyster]

Loses to narrative

[brave marten]

I feel Surtalogi is set up for a post Teyvat story

[odd thicket]

Narwhal wasnt hungry

[thick oyster]

Still

It can't be that big of a boost

[brave marten]

what if he's being set up for a story after Teyvat

[odd thicket]

Unironically why he loses to Descenders btw

[thick oyster]

Hmm
I doubt it
He'll be in Khaenri'ah

[brave marten]

I highly doubt that

[odd thicket]

Surtalogi could be Teyvat Chapter’s final boss

He very will fills in shoes of Nibelung

[thick oyster]

I highly doubt your doubting
We already know he's threatened to come back to Teyvat to mess up Skirk

[thick oyster]

Fuck no

It's Phanes

[brave marten]

yeah threatened but with the way long lived people experience time by coming soon he could mean in 10 or 20 years

[odd thicket]

He could learn it from Rhine
But descenders can dictate Fate like Phanes, that sort of power should not be easy to come about

[thick oyster]

Maybe he'll sense Khaenri'ah's rebirth

[brave marten]

and he's been threatening her for a while

[brave marten]

perhaps

[thick oyster]

He hates Rhine man

[brave marten]

I doubt it tho but we'll see

Khaenriah feels stacked up enough already as is

[odd thicket]

Phanes would be the dealt with before the Abyss arrives to destroy teyvat

[thick oyster]

All the Sinners should play some role in Khaenri'ah

[thick oyster]

Nah
Look at the Travail

"we will defy this world"

The world is Phanes cause they're the demiurge

[odd thicket]

Nahhh they be fucking

[brave marten]

it can be indirectly, Surtalogi haunts the narrative while the others are physically present

[thick oyster]

She's ableist and mocked him for being an amputee btw

[thick oyster]

Eh

[brave marten]

hate fucking

[odd thicket]

The cycles of the story dictate the god be overthrown before Destruction can be faced

[odd thicket]

Thats how they flirt

[thick oyster]

Surtalogi isn't destruction
The Abyss is. He's just a facet of it

[brave marten]

wait speaking of travail trailer

what's the power from beyond Dainsleif speaks of

[thick oyster]

Surtalogi shouldn't be that important
He's just one of the five

[worldly rain]

Abyss

[thick oyster]

Though I suppose Asmoday is the most important Shade

[thick oyster]

Or the Traveler

[odd thicket]

He does threaten to Destroy whatever Skirk had made of in Teyvat
Hes already in path of Destruction as the driver

[thick oyster]

Like I said though
He's just one facet of it

[brave marten]

am I imagining things or doesn't Dainsleif hate the abyss

[odd thicket]

Most likely candidate for final boss imo

[thick oyster]

No way

It's Phanes

[odd thicket]

The other facet or candidate is nibelung reborn

[thick oyster]

No way

[odd thicket]

Phanes will be dealt with before Final boss

[thick oyster]

Nibeung rebirth will be a good guy probably

[worldly rain]

He sure loves using it's power though
Also he hates abyss order

[odd thicket]

Every story ends with an evil dragon at the end

[thick oyster]

No way
Phanes is literally the name of the game

[thick oyster]

If Phanes was made by Nibelung then they'd technically be a dragon

[brave marten]

fair enough, I feel using the abyss would be counterproductive though considering what it might do to Teyvat

[odd thicket]

Yes way
Wdym phanes
Its traveler

[thick oyster]

It's called "Original God"
Traveler ain't ever original

[odd thicket]

That would imply Phanes himself became the Destroyer

Bimm

[odd thicket]

Are we sure

[thick oyster]

They always were

[worldly rain]

It's actually productive enough since it allows to bend the rules of fate

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-sure-mark-grayson-maybe-yes-invincible-gif-20907699

[brave marten]

by final boss do you guys mean the final weekly boss we fight in Teyvat or the main villain of the story which we fight at the end whether he's the last weekly boss or before last

[odd thicket]

I am still on theory of twins being related to Phanes somehow

[thick oyster]

Both I guess

[odd thicket]

The latter

[brave marten]

then it invades Teyvat and it's just over for them all

[thick oyster]

And by extension Nibelung

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

If they're a primordial human
Then they have darkness inside them

[brave marten]

because I always interpreted it as after beating Phanes we fight Dainsleif

[odd thicket]

They need to be taken over by Darkness wholly for this

[thick oyster]

The Dain fight is weird so I'm not sure

[worldly rain]

Yeah that's the irony

[thick oyster]

They may have been post Funerary Year

[odd thicket]

Thats humanity’s final challenge
To conquer destruction

Every story book/ note ends there, pondering at the how

[odd thicket]

That would make Catalcysm all the more confusing

[brave marten]

I can imagine teaming with the abyss order and abyss twin and stuff to beat Phanes and after that a dilemma happens where the traveler wants to free Teyvat whereas the abyss twin wants a new world order and Dainsleif comes in somewhere.

yeah you're right idk how that will happen

[thick oyster]

They would still have their programming

[thick oyster]

Dain says we have to fight him to "save her" so I'm guessing the her is the Sibling? Assuming it's referencing Lumine

[odd thicket]

That would be distorted and see falsehoods / reality opposite to what they themselves have seen earlier

[odd thicket]

Her is certainly not sibling

[brave marten]

same but that's like two fights after Phanes assuming by saving her it means beating her in a fight

[thick oyster]

Well I think they may have broken one of the rules and are now implding in a coma
Like Melanta

[thick oyster]

No it is

[brave marten]

like naruto did to sasuke and shit

[thick oyster]

Can't be anyone else

[worldly rain]

PO's humanity yes not just any humanity
Since even voyager's people who literally conquered time and space failed to do anything to abyss
Fate will have part in this
Once humanity conquer fate set by PO they'll be ready to move on to the larger fate set by Abyss
Which is what the goal of PO is imo

[odd thicket]

Voyager is also destined to return to Teyvat btw

[odd thicket]

Voyager

[thick oyster]

Idk maybe the Sibling like....merged with Phanes or something

[thick oyster]

Not that important

[brave marten]

would be mad funny if she returns and finds them already beat PO

[odd thicket]

Yep

[thick oyster]

She might already be back

[odd thicket]

No shes very much important, regretfully

[brave marten]

oh that's a good idea but how would it happen

[odd thicket]

To be seen

[thick oyster]

Because she's for sure linked to the Fatui

[thick oyster]

The Pale Star?

[odd thicket]

Her main worry is abyss though

[odd thicket]

Also to be seen, it was always beyond teyvat’s false skies too

[thick oyster]

The Sibling uses the Abyss to overwhelm Phanes and merge themselves together

[thick oyster]

It's linked to Seutervoinen though

[brave marten]

yo are we certain the abyss destroyed a lot of civilizations and planets?

like it's for certain

right

[thick oyster]

Not as important as the Sibling

[thick oyster]

Yes

[worldly rain]

I'm back to voyager being the 2nd dwscender

[brave marten]

yeah fake sky never getting removed ig

[odd thicket]

Yes

[brave marten]

the abyss situation seems very hopeless

[thick oyster]

No way lol

[brave marten]

outside

[thick oyster]

It's Nibelung

[thick oyster]

I mean idk how they'll handle it at EoS

Let's just hope they can make the real sky look like the false sky

As an excuse

[thick oyster]

That's kinda the point

[brave marten]

it's just looking at how the abyss outside is described, all these fights and shit seem kind pointless

in the end it doesn't matter

maybe Phanes was right

[odd thicket]

Are we certain the travail trailer only had Aether as traveler

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jjk-modulo-yuji-yuji-itadori-it's-ok-gif-14417973458323449080

[odd thicket]

It is never established

[thick oyster]

I believe so
The We Will be Reunited trailer had Lumine as the abyss princess

[brave marten]

yes actually because we see Aether standing alone at the end

[worldly rain]

Voyager having the golden light is what makes me think they're it
And since the rebellion and war of vengeance happens in parallel anyway
The statement that the war happened with the arrival of 2nd is very vague now

[thick oyster]

Fuck no

Can't that Phanes shit out of your mouth

[odd thicket]

Still no confirmation there

[thick oyster]

Voyager has no will to rival a world

[brave marten]

idk man the more I think about it the whole situation seems pointless, if they become free the way they want to they all die by the abyss

[odd thicket]

Dottore pfp saying this

[thick oyster]

Kukulkan also says Nibelung descended

[brave marten]

seeing Aether alone in the field of flowers implies it strongly

[thick oyster]

They'll have an answer to it duh

[worldly rain]

They broke the shackles set by PO which led to change it fate of angels
They sure do have it me thinks

[odd thicket]

It could be a red herring like the irminsul arson

[brave marten]

bro doing it all for the sake of it turns out so 😭

[thick oyster]

Dottore ripped open the false sky for like 10 minutes and no Abyss creatures appeared

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-patrick-spongebob-wrath-gif-15432365849307349642

[thick oyster]

Voyager just made Koitar realize the truth

[brave marten]

good point

when Mavuika punched a hole too

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/douma-upper2-demon-demon-slayer-akaza-gif-8519901347548192959

[thick oyster]

Also the Frostmoon was unscathed

[brave marten]

indeed

hmmm

[thick oyster]

Teyvat is canonically at the very edge of the universe

Where not much is happening

[odd thicket]

Dw teyvat will outlive Destruction
Athame Artis descriptions imply it has been done before

[thick oyster]

There are a bunch of planets that are still alive

[worldly rain]

No he also gave every tech and knowledge to entire unified civ who became part of rebellion and defied the rules

[brave marten]

is there a chance the abyss was peacefully coexisting before Phanes arrived or does that contradict a lot that it's possible

[odd thicket]

Contradict

[brave marten]

🤔

[thick oyster]

No they develiped the technology together
Leeching off of Teyvat's light realm

[brave marten]

unfortunate

[odd thicket]

People should read Athame Artis

More

[brave marten]

did

I forgot

[thick oyster]

It's too vague

[odd thicket]

People should read it daily

[odd thicket]

It is but we get the general idea

[thick oyster]

There are too many interpretations of it to be sure

Might have to do with Octavia lore though

[worldly rain]

Which require sufficient knowledge they already had
They're literally part of civ that conquered space and time so

[odd thicket]

Saarelainen tore a gash into the earth and Abyss appeared

Its the odd one out

[thick oyster]

Yeah but Seutervoinen described Nibelung as greater than them

[odd thicket]

It has alice more than octavia imo

[thick oyster]

So Nibelung was a being that eclipsed even her civilization

[thick oyster]

Nah Octavia is the space traveler

[thick oyster]

To Pohjola

[brave marten]

amgelus would you like it if playable Capitano was just like made of memories of the actual Capitano rather than Capitano himself waking up and becoming playable

[thick oyster]

I want the real one

Please

[brave marten]

would you still get the fakr oje

[odd thicket]

The witch took the sword from the hero and defeated the villain herslef

[brave marten]

fake one

[worldly rain]

Hardly dude just went to space and got lost
You're comparing it to people who literally travel through void like nothing

[thick oyster]

I already said real one

[brave marten]

so you wouldn't wish

for him

[odd thicket]

Wdym

[brave marten]

if it wasn't the real oje

good to know

[thick oyster]

That just means the Chroniclers were dumbasses

[thick oyster]

I mean I probably would.....

But I wouldn't be happy about it

[brave marten]

🥀

[odd thicket]

Either ways the little witch book shows that the cycle was resolved

[thick oyster]

Nibelung is greater than them

[worldly rain]

They still successfully hid from abyss unlike certain someone

[thick oyster]

It wasn't resolved

It continued on

[thick oyster]

We don't know how Nibelung was corrupted

Bro was probably sabotaged honestly

[odd thicket]

Didnt vol5 says the day king thanked her for her efforts

[thick oyster]

No

[odd thicket]

Lemme check
I recall Athame Artis being an expansion of Vol 5

[worldly rain]

So why make assumption if we don't know
What we do know voyager has enough credentials to qualify as descender

[thick oyster]

Vol 6

Octavia wrote Vol 6

And also no it isn't an extension

[thick oyster]

Because she didn't consider herself one

[odd thicket]

If she were another descender, then PO would have smoked her right off the bat

[thick oyster]

Also she says Nibelung's will was greater than her

So she has a lesser will than him

She can't rival a world

[worldly rain]

He didn't for 3rd until he went to pohjola
Please don't make vague statement

[odd thicket]

Descender would be very noticeable in the still extant Eternity

[thick oyster]

Because Phanes was trapped in Pohjola

[worldly rain]

Nothing says that

[odd thicket]

He came after the funerary war though

When PO was weaker

[thick oyster]

It's where Phanes cut Saarelainen up

[odd thicket]

And fate was in disarray

[thick oyster]

So Phanes was already there

[odd thicket]

Nothing says he was trapped there

[thick oyster]

It's implied

[worldly rain]

So? Doesn't mean he was trapped there...

[odd thicket]

Nop

[thick oyster]

Phanes was already in Pohjola when Saarelainen opened it
And that's where Phanes cut Saarelainen into the gnoses

[thick oyster]

Yes

[odd thicket]

We know where Saarelainen died

The exact spot

[thick oyster]

In Pohjola

[thick oyster]

We don't

[odd thicket]

We actually do if we go by the mandragora theory

[thick oyster]

No

[odd thicket]

The gash / gate that Saarelainen opened is to the west of the death spot

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

The Mandragora contain the power of Kuuvhaki not Saarelainen

[odd thicket]

https://youtu.be/59Ssaxtlzos

[thick oyster]

They're wrong

They have kuuvhaki

[odd thicket]

Plant life altered by Kuuvahki yes
But mandragora are named after Ajax’s prayer

[odd thicket]

No no
Hear them out fully

[thick oyster]

How

[odd thicket]

Mandragora are plants that bloom from blood-soaked dirt, usually blood from unjust murders

Plus it was Brahe who named as Mandragora

[thick oyster]

You mean mandrakes

[odd thicket]

Yep yep

The coherently puts this argument , better than me

[thick oyster]

Doubt it

It doesn't mean Saarelainen was murdered there in any specific spot
Since they're all over the place

[odd thicket]

He named after a prayer/ story told to him by Alia

[odd thicket]

That spot is where the light is most intense

[thick oyster]

There would be something else there to indicate it's where Phanes killed Saarelainen

Like a monument of some sort

Or a big explosion since the death of gods does that

[odd thicket]

He was ||erased||, remember

[odd thicket]

Unlikely with Phanes being there

The gnoses were still carved out

[thick oyster]

But his impact would still be there

[odd thicket]

The remains should have seeped into the ground as light

[thick oyster]

After Saarelainen was dead

[thick oyster]

Then what did the gate even lead to

[odd thicket]

He was there

[odd thicket]

My proposal is thats where the Nod Krai glider desc follows

[thick oyster]

Why would there be gates to Pohjola if it didn't lead to anywhere special

[thick oyster]

So he would have died there

[odd thicket]

There as in, the bunker's chasm or the forest

[thick oyster]

Has to be a little more special imo

[odd thicket]

also not all gods die drastically
we have seen one such method with boreas
when ajax dies his power/ remains would be turned to Gnoses
and the blood - light, seeped into the ground and absorbed by mandragora

[odd thicket]

if they made it a grander affair it would have given away the plot

Hoyo didnt label this island rightly as Pohjola

[thick oyster]

No it wouldn't
It has to be an odd place fo Saarelainen to have opened a gate to it

[odd thicket]

instead mentioned only in pre release streams of theirs

[thick oyster]

There could be some mistake going on

[odd thicket]

wdym odd place ? bit lost

[odd thicket]

or intentional

[thick oyster]

If Saarelainen had to open a "gate" to it then that implies it was somewhere beyond Teyvat in some way

[odd thicket]

in CN stream they called the island pohjola

[thick oyster]

It would have been mentioned in game then

[odd thicket]

maybe they have some planned lore reveal for later

[odd thicket]

i mean
spiral abyss goes downwards but also out of teyvat

[thick oyster]

Exactly

[odd thicket]

every attempt to leave teyvat or invite abyss in thus far, had people throw stones at the false sky

only Saarelainen opened one into the ground

[worldly rain]

Snow king wanted to go to the inverted tree with the egg and gained help from a traveler and his frost spirit
I feel that's pohjola aka the location of the egg

[thick oyster]

We don't know if it was the ground

[thick oyster]

Possibly

[odd thicket]

i am certain that the chasm we see in the bunker IS the gate he opened

[odd thicket]

wait

[worldly rain]

Probably opened up the portal to there

[thick oyster]

Or it's just Rotwang's residue

[odd thicket]

rotwang had never made it into the bunker though

fuck my internet

also fuck FANDOM

[thick oyster]

He had his Abyssal underlings there though

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

morozov
would they be able to open a depthless chasm though

[worldly rain]

"And if he opened that door, a world as black as spilled ink would pour forth, swallowing both heaven and earth. In that world, everything was still. There was no light, and no sound. The Snow-King would have to cross that silent realm alone and, at its lightless heart, find an egg. "

This basically fits pohjola imo

[thick oyster]

They were researching a lot there

[odd thicket]

i feel this chasm is the one in the bunker

[odd thicket]

they never mentioned anything about the chasm within the facility

rather they built the facility about it

[thick oyster]

They would have mentioned it then

[worldly rain]

We also know PO came out of an egg so that's where he is too

Finding the egg means finding PO

[odd thicket]

no i mean the fissure as a subject of study
the facility was built about it, treating as a hindrance

fuck i should go in game and take a snap

[thick oyster]

They were studying how to combat the Abyss

[odd thicket]

yes

but no word on creating the chasm or exploring it

said chasm also appears to be depthless

[thick oyster]

Exactly
If it was important they probably would have mentioned it

[odd thicket]

they could never have realised that it was the Gate that Ajax opened

afterall ||Ajax || himself was erased

and pakkaisukko forgotten

[thick oyster]

Or was it

[odd thicket]

certainly fits the descriptions of the NK glider and is close to Ajax's site of murder

[thick oyster]

Yeah but there's something missing

[odd thicket]

just the final stretch of confirmation

[thick oyster]

We should have found out then though

They're usually good at clarifying that

[odd thicket]

they did intentionally go and cover up the name of the island

they want to clarify this at a later date

also in game we have nobody besides the Shades and Seutervoinen who can confirm this to traveler

[thick oyster]

After Capitano releases all the sealed information I guess

[odd thicket]

the information was ||erased|| and not even in the recycle bin

[thick oyster]

Scaramouche was erased too

Yet

Dottore somehow found that out

[odd thicket]

if ||Dottore couldnt||, ||capitano cannot||

[odd thicket]

recycle bin

[thick oyster]

He didn't get enough time

[odd thicket]

and there is nobody living with a connection to the OG Ajax

[thick oyster]

Plus the Night Kingdom works differently

We still need to know who the blank name is

The blank name might be Saarelainen

His true name

And Capitano is following in his will

[odd thicket]

besides maybe Princess of the Snegurochka/ Tsaritsa

[thick oyster]

She isn't Pakkasukko's daughter

Time line doesn't work

[odd thicket]

and wed Anastasiya ?

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen is probably linked to Khaenri'ah too
Just because everything is linked to Khaenri'ah

[odd thicket]

how so ?

[thick oyster]

Tsaritsa only changed after the Cataclysm

Venti implies it

[odd thicket]

they are all linked to khaenriah through voyager

[thick oyster]

By fighting for humanity

[odd thicket]

yeah, cataclysm could be when she decieded to take action

[thick oyster]

It's when Belyi imparted his will onto her

Too

But she isn't Pakkaisukko's daughter

[odd thicket]

yes
the death of her fiance could have had her mourning for millennia

[odd thicket]

eh she can be

[thick oyster]

No way the timeline doesn't make sense

Fae still have limited life spans

[odd thicket]

i was resistant to the princess being tsaritsa but they could just mash the two characters together

[thick oyster]

Pakkaisukko's daughter is dead by now

[odd thicket]

the common ones do
maybe the elites are different

[worldly rain]

For one we don't know how she is even related to Belyi
Is she actually his daughter or not... We don't know
Then the fact that Belyi is not really the snow king that met 3rd assuming the legend told in wings of silent moon is somewhat true

[thick oyster]

They live longer but are still limited

[odd thicket]

yep
also she certainly isnt belyi's daughter
she is feodor's

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen was killed roughly 6000~ years ago

[odd thicket]

true
hmmm

[odd thicket]

not 6000

[thick oyster]

Whose feodor

[odd thicket]

archon war began some 3000 years ago

[thick oyster]

No it was longer than that

It lasted several thousand years

[odd thicket]

yes
but it wasnt right after funerary war

[thick oyster]

Still

[worldly rain]

Doubt it as that's the age of hyperborea
A lot later I feel probably around 3k or 4k years ago depending on when you consider arhcon war to start (it ended 2k years ago)

[odd thicket]

there is some several centuries maybe even a millennia after the funerary war that teh archon war and ajax's murder began and happened

[thick oyster]

Pakkaisukko's daughter could be Pavlina

The grand duchess

[odd thicket]

tsaritsa name is Anastasiya Feodorovna Snezhnaya
Feodorovna means daughter of feodor

[thick oyster]

Since she sealed off her territory completely
Possibly out of grief

[thick oyster]

Feodor could be one of Belyi's names

[odd thicket]

also likely

[odd thicket]

hmm
also possible

the russian empresses took that name when married into the royal family from outside

[thick oyster]

Their last names are the male and female versions of each other

[worldly rain]

Tsar definitely had a daughter so it's possible it's tsaritsa only but we can't be sure

[thick oyster]

He helped raise Aksinya too

[odd thicket]

snezhnaya ?

[worldly rain]

Aksinya was human so not related to Tsaritsa I think

[odd thicket]

snezhnavi ?

[odd thicket]

besides the hyperborean ancestry yeah

[worldly rain]

Yeah I mean one is fae other human

[thick oyster]

Yes they're the gender versions of each other

[thick oyster]

She was adopted by him essentially though

But she isn't Tsaritsa

[odd thicket]

hmm
so what do you imply when tsaritsa has snezhnaya as a final name ? i dont get it

[worldly rain]

Oh I thought you were implying she could be tsaritsa mb

[thick oyster]

Look at the last one

Masculine form of Snezhnaya

[odd thicket]

ohhh

Snezhnyi i thought was the feminine

[thick oyster]

It was a theory I had for 5 seconds
||Till the leaks ruined it smh||

Would have been cool if Tsaritsa was once human

But alas

[thick oyster]

Other way around

[worldly rain]

I mean we already saw her statue so that should already be confirmed she's not human

[odd thicket]

yeah corrected now

[thick oyster]

Layla has elf ears man

There is no rhyme or reason to them

Plus ||Aksinya was discovered in a time capsule so she ain't normal either||

[thick oyster]

So yeah they have the same last name

Implying relation

[worldly rain]

Isn't she descendant of that guy he wasn't human right? I forgot

[thick oyster]

He was just descended from Tutallyah

One of the many city states

[odd thicket]

i mean even orphans take this name , dont they ?

[thick oyster]

No that's a different name

[odd thicket]

Ahh

This reminds me

We are definitely meeting Jon Snezhevich

[thick oyster]

who

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-jon-snow-gif-9681554

[thick oyster]

Oh yeah

Pulcinella is Tyrion then

[worldly rain]

Fate of 3rd descender he will rise from dead fated to kill PO only for at the end yelan one shots PO while 3rd is hiding from the nibelung flames

[odd thicket]

Eww he should be offed for being a creep, right away

[thick oyster]

Idk I don't watch Game of Thrones

All I know is that he's short

[odd thicket]

Yelan, no its Noelle

[odd thicket]

Ah fair its better you dont

But you also miss out in the crackiest of theories of all time

Time travelling foetus swap for example

[thick oyster]

I can see how he also wrote Elden Ring

[vivid wasp]

Morning chat

So when I was doing the AQ I took some screenshots of stuff I found interesting

Did we ever find out what the hell this was about?

[queen prawn]

No

[vivid wasp]

Huh

Hmm

Well, maybe that's hinting at future content

Well, in the second screenshot, ||assuming the number of squares is accurate to what the name of the location is, Inazuma fits the bill||

[worldly rain]

There is that one statue in Inazuma I guess

[graceful lagoon]

that Nahida zooming part makes no sense

[worldly rain]

The one Ei was building

[graceful lagoon]

the oasis is directily below the tortado, but somehow she went out from the pyramid

finished new AQ and she is still here

[odd thicket]

which one ?

[odd thicket]

||Fontaine|| fits too

||Celestia|| too

hmm

[vivid wasp]

Yes, that too, the Omnipresent God statue which I am very interested in

[odd thicket]

lang-gan fits too

eight characters ...

[odd thicket]

you didnt complete the WQ ?

[graceful lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/yoru-no-kurage-wa-oyogenai-anime-shake-head-anime-no-shy-anime-takanashi-gif-2557703020205130567

[odd thicket]

there are so many hints for lizard theory what the fuck

[vivid wasp]

What's lizard theory

[odd thicket]

i hope this one image can ring some bells

[vivid wasp]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[odd thicket]

waut

wait

[vivid wasp]

What the fuck am I looking at

[odd thicket]

have you played temple of space

[vivid wasp]

No

[odd thicket]

PLEASE DO

[vivid wasp]

I guess I should now since I came back to play the AQ

[odd thicket]

yeah

keep an eye out for someone named Maukie

[vivid wasp]

Ok

[odd thicket]

he is at the core of the lizard theory

[odd thicket]

oh and btw the boss drops an rng dependant book

[vivid wasp]

Wait ok, so I didn't do the quest but I did read a lot of its dialogue
Maukie is like, Escher or whatever right? Who was like one of Dottore's clones?

[odd thicket]

if you spend resin

[odd thicket]

yep

[vivid wasp]

Yeah I read it already

[odd thicket]

the screen even shakes

like with dottore

rejecting or disobeying the rules around them

as for the lizard... you noticed in 6.3 how a blue and white skinned, red eyed lizard was oddly the focus of the camera, when the good guys speak and say dottore cannot spy on them "

?

[vivid wasp]

Uh
No?

[odd thicket]

wait

ill send screenshots

this is from 3.2

Abbas was forcefed lizards too...

we never learn why there was a bathsymal vishap in the false moon institute either..

[worldly rain]

Kinda do indirectly anyways
||"I expect to begin with animal experiments. We can use the souls of others as the subjects of our experiments."

He was experimenting on animals and later even human(abbas might come into picture here aka the lizard guy) for his souls transfer experiment||

[odd thicket]

Hmmm
More fuel for the lizard theory

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-gif-16151436670066332523

[worldly rain]

I'm afraid it's nothing burger ||they are remnant of his experiment if anything||
Gotta accept the end at some time

[odd thicket]

Yeah but thats where Escher Maukie comes in

https://tenor.com/view/douma-upper2-demon-demon-slayer-akaza-gif-8519901347548192959

[worldly rain]

That was also explained
It was melanta cosplaying lol

[odd thicket]

Nono
The real escher

And also within segment tau, why specifically copy escher and not anybody else

[worldly rain]

Ok so I didn't remember who maukie was so I looked it up dude was from tatarasuna the one dottore impersonated

He was apparently picked up by temple of space and his absence allowed dottore to impersonate him and infiltrate tatarsasuna

So basically real escher isn't even related to dottore...

[odd thicket]

Nono

“Real” escher was also quite heretical

But was a painter

The escher identity dottore took was that of a mechanic

Sure they are completely separate entities however we ||likely have one missing segment || and the personalities of the two overlap a lot that it must be intentional to some end

[worldly rain]

Real escher was also forcefully kicked out and lost his memories and is probably wandering around somewhere
It's the guy we met at statue of seven in the beginning I remember now

[odd thicket]

Yes

[worldly rain]

Anyway he's not related to dottore so doesn't matter

[odd thicket]

He was kicked out for tempering with Powers of Space

[odd thicket]

Directly no relation
Personality and actions wise he is reminiscent of him

[worldly rain]

There's lots of mad Men in this game doesn't mean they're related to dottore or have any relevance

[odd thicket]

And irl MC Escher was famous for his paintings that toyed with space, dimensions and lizards

[odd thicket]

Said mad man has so many overlapping traits with Dottore though

[worldly rain]

||there is no other segment this was final one||

[odd thicket]

||voice over had 8 or 7 segments , back in 3.2||
||recent cutscenes had one less and thats minus OG zandik and plus Omega||

Am i sounding like a signora main now

[worldly rain]

No we already know he was the last one after he killed all other back in sumeru when he took gnosis from nahida in exchange

The last surviving one ||then split his soul into two one died in nod krai other died with Irminsul

It's the end ||

[odd thicket]

I am aware i am telling despite that there is one missing

[worldly rain]

That's just cope then

[odd thicket]

No
One voice from the 3.2 cutscene is ||not shown in 6.6||

thats where im getting at

[worldly rain]

? Every scene in 6.6 is new

[odd thicket]

Yes
It is ||lacking a segment for one of the voices||

Also

Escher the painter can still be a segment

Death is not allowed in Tau

So the kill switch for this escher would have failed

[worldly rain]

It's lacking a lot of segment he had over 100s of them
Doesn't mean much here

[odd thicket]

100s is confirmed ?

[worldly rain]

No it's just hyperbole but you get the point there were many basically

[odd thicket]

Hmm
Will be considered

Anyways i am not letting go of 🦎 theory

Too many coincidences and narrative choices for it to be bogus

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket for example the doctor ||from manga wasn't present in the cutscene that alone should be enough to tell not every segment was present in that cutscene or that their absence means much||

[odd thicket]

Webtorre ||could just be an outfit for 25||

He should be the one who ||researched eleazar in sumeru||

[worldly rain]

No that was ||number 35 aka the main one who went to Akedemiya||

[odd thicket]

||35 was Omega||

We see ||25 working on a white board similar to the one at Dar El Shifa||

[worldly rain]

Besides the point ||we don't see him in cutscene as you said the reason for one segment being alive ||

[odd thicket]

Could just be an outfit for one of the segments

[worldly rain]

Yes he's the one who went to akedimiya and all that

[odd thicket]

No segment had gone to the akademiya

Zandik had researched at Dar El Shifa before he was exiled from the Akademiya

He was their student

[worldly rain]

Then how did he get expelled... Just watch the cutscene again

[odd thicket]

Then

[odd thicket]

We are never told how

But after joining the fatui ||he got back to the abandoned research once more||

[worldly rain]

Alright you're not making sense here
You say he didn't went to akedimiya that was my reply to it doesn't matter how he did just that he did got expelled
So he was the one who went to sumeru

[odd thicket]

Nono

OG went to akademiya

[worldly rain]

Go watch the cutscene again

[vivid wasp]

Sorry for the late reply, but what exactly is the main point of the lizard theory
Like what does that tell us about Dottore..?

[odd thicket]

Dottore put some soul bits in a random lizard

[vivid wasp]

Huh????

That makes no sense lmao.

[odd thicket]

Or that he would return, as lizards in genshin always do
They shed a tail at moment of their demise … to escape and live

[odd thicket]

Remember his experiments in 6.3 and in 6.6 his ||musings for the final next experiment involving souls||

remember shattering atmagraha ? (Zibai quest)

[worldly rain]

We already know details of his final experiment though

[odd thicket]

I did
I think you misremembered the timeline

||35 never can enroll himself in akademiya||

zandik didnt create the segments until later in life

The dar el shifa incident happened before his expulsion from the akademiya and sumeru

He joins the fatui shortly after

And only then does ||get to research it in depth||

[odd thicket]

His next one

[worldly rain]

||35 is the one who called himself dottore while using the name zandik for original
Dottore went to akedimiya and researched elezar ||
You should watch the cutscene again then

[odd thicket]

I did
Confused me at first

But it still wouldnt make sense

It was Zandik who enrolled in the akademiya and worked at dar el shifa at first, abbas saw Zandik not Dottore

[vivid wasp]

Then didn't he already do that by putting his soul in the northland bank or whatever????

[odd thicket]

Also another thing to note : ||Omega is unreliable, Pantalone had to interject twice to be factual|| @worldly rain

[odd thicket]

That portion is the ||segment we fight||

Shattering Atmagraha always leaves three fragments

Qiqi and Zibai had 3

[worldly rain]

No just because he used the same name to enroll (of course he would he wouldn't use dottore as official name for registration duh) doesn't mean ||the segment that did all that was original...it was still number 35||

And that's what the cutscene tells us too

[odd thicket]

It contradicts established previous AQ info

[worldly rain]

So we got the new info we can adjust out position based on that

[odd thicket]

Hmmm

This would mean ||dottore and OGtorre both were expelled||

[worldly rain]

It doesn't when you realize as I said ||segment wouldn't use "dottore" Or "number 35" ||as official name for registration he would still use zandik name only

[odd thicket]

Zandik would be a taboo name for the Akademiya thereafter so it still would not make sense

Unless fake ID

[worldly rain]

Probably fake ID then
But one thing we do know is that it was ||nunber 35 only||

In fact og was too old by that point already

[odd thicket]

Hmmm
For a long time we assumed it was OG who did it while enrolled as a student at the Akademiya

[odd thicket]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

Him joining the place that rejected him once before, and doing research ( we dont find any fatui equipment or interference there either) for a while there is .. odd

But ill have to accept it

Oh wait we had a note in the forest saying that OG Zandik was assigned to Dar El Shifa

Zandik’s legacy notes are of OGtorre

[odd thicket]

Nvm i dont

Omega is an unreliable narrator who skips over a lot of information

The official sumeru billboard lists dar el shifa as a reason for expulsion for OG Zandik

Ill do the digging tomorrow

[vivid wasp]

😭

[odd thicket]

Dar El Shifa doesnt make sense to be after ||joining Fatui||

he was expelled for heretical actions
Ruin Guard tampering doesnt fit it, 6.5 Event Quest showed it was just violation of rules (which applied long after Zandik incident)
Killing of Sohreh (but even if he did it, its not heretical)
Only dar el shifa fits the bill

[vivid wasp]

Can I choose death instead

[queen prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thragg-invincible-angry-viltrum-vilt-ru-mite-gif-1887216231996431779

What is the context

What is that minigame

[vivid wasp]

Its called teyvat character sorter
You choose which character you like most

[brave marten]

yo show us the results

[vivid wasp]

I'm ngl its not the most accurate, it takes a really long time to do so at some point I was just spamming without looking

[brave marten]

I never would have guessed that Capitano is your second favorite

and Raiden being 6th is unexpected too

do you ship Navia and Clorinde

[vivid wasp]

My favorite characters are Varesa, Capitano, Iansan, Xianyun, Navia, Shenhe and Ganyu (in no particular order)

My least favorite characters are Mavuika, Columbina, Skirk, Varka, Citlali, Alhaitham and Kaveh

[vivid wasp]

No, I don't ship anyone in Genshin

[vivid wasp]

She used to be my #1 favorite but after Varesa's release she went down on my list
Especially because Inazuma also gets so little content as is...

[brave marten]

why Shenhe and Ganyu

[brave marten]

also why was she your fav

[vivid wasp]

Love her design + backstory
She's still my main in game

[vivid wasp]

Cuz I love both of them
Ganyu was the first limited 5 star I got and I just think she's cute
And I love Shenhe's design + backstory

[brave marten]

I see

[vivid wasp]

Idk
I don't have like a uhh
Requirement for characters to be my favorites
70% of the time its how much I love their design and the rest is how much I like their backstory

[brave marten]

whats the site again i wanna do it again

[vivid wasp]

https://teyvatsorter.tumblr.com/characters

[brave marten]

me personally

I have great first impressions

about a lot of characters

then I saw them on screen

and all the like I had for them before disappears

Citlali Nefer

etc

[vivid wasp]

Yeah, like, I was very excited for Citlali, I do really love her design still but my God I hate what they did with her character wise

I also don't like Nefer

But idk I'm not a fan of like uhhh
The "ara ara" archetype of characters
Like, Yae, Yelan and Nefer
Intimidating ladies basically
Idk.

Its just they end up being the same really

[brave marten]

same

[vivid wasp]

Like the whole thing where they show up at the end of a big event and say "yeah I knew all about this and had planned it all along"

[brave marten]

idk about her design but I at least thought

she was very cute

when I first saw her

in the teaser

her character tho

oof

and the old lady trope that looks young

done in the worst way possible istg

[vivid wasp]

I actually don't mind that trope when its done well
Faruzan is a good example, Citlali isn't

[brave marten]

yes I love Faruzan a lot quite in fact

[vivid wasp]

For me I'm a boring girly girl who loves pink and pastel colors
So any character that has pink in them I immediately fall in love, but how their character turns out is also a pretty big thing for me

[brave marten]

I like blue

I remember I got Ayato just because of his design

[vivid wasp]

I hate Ayato 😭

[brave marten]

I mean

I don't particulary like his character

or his lack of one

[vivid wasp]

He's such a boring character
But I do think his design is nice

[brave marten]

I just love his design

[vivid wasp]

Yeah I think its nice
Better than Ayaka's imo

[brave marten]

ofc it is

Ayaka's a low bar

[vivid wasp]

Its funny considering she was like the devs favorite at some point

I don't have her design, I do think its nice, but I think her character model doesn't do her justice idk

Like she looks prettier in artworks then in game

[brave marten]

I don't like neither her personality nor her design

the Kamisato siblings are meh for me

Ayato at least has his design going for him

[brave marten]

first choice and im already struggling

cz I genuinely hate them both

can I choose both

oh wait

im a moron

ahahah

[vivid wasp]

Lmaoooo

[brave marten]

no way theyre including the manekinas

[vivid wasp]

Yeah they include all characters and some npcs too.

[brave marten]

this is genuinely difficult because Sandrone was by far the most disappointing character for me in NK

[vivid wasp]

I chose her anyways just because I skipped all the NPCs

[brave marten]

fair enough

[brave marten]

this is such a hard choice

[queen prawn]

What wrong with nefer

[vivid wasp]

I personally don't like her because I dislike how she was idk shoehorned in 6.1/Lunar II
But to me thats not hard honestly, I hate Columbina way more

[brave marten]

hate her

[brave marten]

I feel Nefer's personality is more uh

pretentious? annoying?

idk how to say it

but I hate that Columbina was obviously

"rewritten" and her tragic backstory isn't that tragic

shes also a hypocrite

which is a nice character trait if it was acknowledged but it isnt

imma do a tie

[ebon iris]

if it were me, id choose bina over nefer tbh

at least bina changes as a character

nefer, even when ||sumeru is about to be destroyed because of dottores fuckery with irminsul is still like "ok but whats in it for me"||

||MFER THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT PAYMENT ALL THE TIME PEOPLE ARE GONNA DIE||

||her personality gimmick like never changes even when it should warrant more reaction than the usual "ok so do i get paid otherwise idgaf"||

[brave marten]

I'd argue not to the better

[worldly rain]

Surface level reading

[odd thicket]

Yeah but bills

[thick oyster]

It'd be nice if they acknowledged how fucked up the Moons were to leave the Dragons to die and how they kinda deserved to die for that and they should have Columbina try to right their sins
But they won't cause the only proper dragon character is male and we can't have them taking up too much screen time now

[thick oyster]

I don't like Nefer cause I fucking hate Lunar Bloom shill

[brave marten]

I just found her very irritating and bland

we talked about it before

[thick oyster]

She was aight
Mainly cause she's the closest to a morally grey character in this game

[brave marten]

true but besides that I just found her sad backstory to not be compelling at all and so is her stance towards the other Harbingers

[odd thicket]

How long does this go bruh

[brave marten]

im still doing it 😭 ✌️

but mianly cz im doing other things

and doing it on the side

[thick oyster]

I would have liked to know how she got recruited at least
Like a flashback of what Pierro's conversation with her was like

But nah

[brave marten]

yeah Columbina was a huge

disappointment

overall

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/soldierboy-soldier-boy-theboys-disappointed-gif-26627025

[brave marten]

ong 😭

[thick oyster]

How Nibelung was probably moving to the Moon Sisters when he came back

[brave marten]

they'll revive him at the end and make a cutscene where he talks to them and he says he doesn't blame them and feels bad for the responsibility he put on them

[worldly rain]

As if any harbringer got that treatment lol

[thick oyster]

No no no
They just won't have them interact

[thick oyster]

Arlecchino did in her lore bro

Scaramouche too we got a flashback of his recruitment

[brave marten]

technically Tartaglia too no?

we know Pulcinella is the one who scouted him

[thick oyster]

He got recruited by Pulcinella
But yeah we know how got in

[brave marten]

and Dottore we know

[worldly rain]

"Lore"
We got her lore too she was moon goddess and useful for Tsaritsa's plan

[brave marten]

how he got in too

[thick oyster]

But how?
What was Pierro's pitch to her?

[thick oyster]

We have most of Sandrone's backstory now too

Through her journal

[brave marten]

do we know how she got recruited yet

[thick oyster]

Not yet

[brave marten]

next patch then I hope

[thick oyster]

In her lore hopefully at least

[brave marten]

I wish we get a cutscene

[thick oyster]

||Even if Pulonia is fucking dead||

[brave marten]

like Arle

or animation

anything

[thick oyster]

That would be nice too

[brave marten]

😔

[thick oyster]

||Some leaks have said she would get a PV||

Back in the day

[brave marten]

too old but I think it's very possible anyways

[thick oyster]

Sandrone is the next big push

Seemingly

[brave marten]

yep

[worldly rain]

I'm sure when Tsaritsa's plan gets revealed we'll know what use she had

[thick oyster]

It was Pierro's 4d chess plan to see how a reality bender could be defeated

Dottore stole her power to become Temu Phanes and they defeated him and he learned through that

[thick oyster]

And after that we need Pulcinella and Pantalone full backstories I guess
||We got big Pantalone crumbs but some are still missing and we possibly got Pulcinella crumbs in the new artifact set||

[brave marten]

finally done bro

[thick oyster]

Where Capitano

[brave marten]

14th

ngl his Natlan appearance

plummeted him

very very hard

next time he appears

it gotta do some heavy lifting

[thick oyster]

He's still the Goat

[brave marten]

we'll see

[thick oyster]

At least he hasn't lost two times in a row

Three arguably

[brave marten]

||we got the general idea of how Pantalone got in through the weekly boss drops||
I feel Pulcinella will be a day one Fatui because he's a Fae allegedly

[worldly rain]

What does it matter if he lost he got what he wanted that's a win

[thick oyster]

Pulcinella wasn't the first mayor of Snezhnaya though
That was Ivanova
But yeah he was probably early

[brave marten]

fair enough

[thick oyster]

Not Dottore failed twice and didn't get what he wanted

[worldly rain]

I was talking of Cap

[thick oyster]

Oh yeah

Capitano won

He was playing everyone in Natlan with what we know now

[odd thicket]

Its taking so long

[worldly rain]

"In the name of money, I shall respect the contract between us..."
"We shall, by whatever means necessary, become the heart that pumps money around the world."
"And, when the moment comes, that heart shall cease beating by our will alone."

This goes hard with the recent reveal of ||Pantelone's || character teaser in the quest

[odd thicket]

[worldly rain]

He's going to make everyone bankrupt before he ||dies||

[odd thicket]

Didnt expect the fifth

[brave marten]

he was my favorite

but since paralogism

I haven't been feeling him

I mean he was my favorite before I saw Dottore at lazio

[odd thicket]

What he do

[odd thicket]

Ahh

[brave marten]

he was my second after that

and since paralogism

ehhhh

[brave marten]

Rhinedottir

is unexpected

[odd thicket]

Devolved to alchemy druid support

[odd thicket]

Her VA is amazing and shes the truest idgafer in the game

[brave marten]

I would like her if she had

a fraction of the amount of hate Dottore gets

form other hcaracters

[odd thicket]

Being a shade means her name is censored

[brave marten]

hexenzirkel and characters like uh

small Durin

but small Durin is kinda stupid

[odd thicket]

They dont speak it out aloud

[odd thicket]

Hes a bébé

[thick oyster]

I mean she's directly fucked with only a fraction of the playable characters Dottore has

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/durin-genshin-durin-dragon-gif-16692086437089965436

[brave marten]

but the consequences of her actions can be seen in a more of a world wide scale

[thick oyster]

Head empty
Life good

[odd thicket]

Like 2-3 at most

[brave marten]

why was I about to say Surtalogi

[odd thicket]

Also spoiler decree goes away in 10 minutes

[brave marten]

god I wish he was playable

[thick oyster]

Yeah but we haven't met anyone directly impacted by that
If we had a character whose entire family was killed by her monsters or something she would be hated more

[brave marten]

I hope so

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/stantwt-chained-up-chained-gif-67266779391248431

[brave marten]

if they make her the archon of Khaenriah and

has 0 criticism

like a certain someone

im crashing out

[thick oyster]

No that will be Asmoday

[brave marten]

better than Rhinedottir

for me

I genuinely hate for what she did to her children

OGDurin and Dorian

[worldly rain]

She's not real only exist in lore
Let her come to actual story and see if she remains the same
Definitely will get the hate if they don't change her
Exhibit A look at Signora she got proper hate

[brave marten]

so uh btw sinners teaser in 10 minutes?

[thick oyster]

Dorian?

[brave marten]

Albedo's lookalike

[odd thicket]

No

[thick oyster]

Oh yeah

[odd thicket]

They havent posted the cutscenes yet

[brave marten]

I hope you're right

[brave marten]

😔

im lowk hoping

[worldly rain]

It's because large part of fandom don't read lore
So their impression on characters are what they see in main story
Rhine hasn't gotten there yet

[brave marten]

for a Dottore teaser rather than a teaser one

if there's a Dottore teaser that can fix the only issue I had with the AQ