・lore-basement

[thick oyster]

Yeah that would suck

[brave marten]

yeah it would mean they won't get future buffs

and they'll be mid

god why didn't they finish buffing Mond units I genuinely hate this decision so much

[thick oyster]

Well Albedo and Mona's buffs were pretty good

[brave marten]

Mona's cool yeah

[thick oyster]

They're saving it I guess?

[brave marten]

Albedo's is ehhhh

[thick oyster]

Well he just has limited options

[brave marten]

I don't see them making optioms for him anytime soon 🥀

[thick oyster]

Also Razor's buff brought him to 100k didn't it?

[brave marten]

with the rate they're releasing these buffs

[brave marten]

yeah just to increase the ceiling by 30k few patches later

[thick oyster]

Zibai probably isn't the new standard
I think

I hope

[brave marten]

I wish that's the case but

[thick oyster]

Depends on how much Sandrone starts doing

[brave marten]

I lost hope in the balacing team for genshin

[thick oyster]

I am going to blame it on Natlan

[brave marten]

I hope she's like Flins and Nefer

like damage wise and team wise

[thick oyster]

Yes

[brave marten]

I already blame Mavuika

this started during her patch

idgaf how many people keep saying huge powercreep started with Neuvillette

[thick oyster]

The worst character ever

[thick oyster]

Either Mavuika simps or male haters

[brave marten]

Nevuillete's ceiling wasn't that far ahead he was only better because he had a lot of qol

but Mavuika 🥀

[thick oyster]

And was easy to play

[brave marten]

or just genuine delusional people

[thick oyster]

Funny how they tried nerfing him before Mualani came out

[brave marten]

😭

that was funnt

not like

you even needed to use it

for him to be good

[thick oyster]

It was just a bitch move 😭

[brave marten]

yeah 😭

and they gave us 1600 apologems iirc

[thick oyster]

At least they're || preemptively making it so Sandrone can't spin||

Which is more evidence Capitano will release and immediately power creep her

[brave marten]

maybe, I don't like these early kit leaks if they're not straight up descriptions

most of the time they're wrong

[brave marten]

[thick oyster]

Yeah
||Still bothered she's cryo of all things||

[brave marten]

same

||why didn't they make her electro||

such a weird decision

[thick oyster]

Or geo

[brave marten]

especially with Lohen right before her

[thick oyster]

Like who will even be the geo Harbinger?
Pulcinella I guess?

[brave marten]

I wish she was Geo

[brave marten]

Pantalone?

[thick oyster]

Nah

He's from Liyue probably and Harbingers don't have the same element as their archon

[brave marten]

oh

huh

[thick oyster]

Also ||leaks say he's dendro apparently???||

[brave marten]

wait ||Sandrone|| does

[thick oyster]

She's from Fontaine

[brave marten]

I still have my doubts about that

[brave marten]

oh yea im dumb

I thought u meant the harbingers aren't the same element as the Tsaritsa

😭

[thick oyster]

No their home country

[brave marten]

yea yea I get it now

well few days left

to see whether these new buffs and Snezhnaya's gimmick

are an absolute shitshow

or something actually good

[thick oyster]

One of them will be really good and one will be complete dog shit I just feel it

[brave marten]

wait let me remember

them again

Diona is gonna be fine

Cyno will stay shit

Wrio will stay shit

Mizuki will be nice

[thick oyster]

Qiqi
Wriothesley
Yae
Beidou
Mizuki
Cyno
Diona

[brave marten]

Qiqi too

Yae and Beidou will be good

that's my prediction

[thick oyster]

||I think Wriothesley will probably be good if it ties into Stellar conduct||

[brave marten]

||isn't Sandrone an on fielder already||

[thick oyster]

Yeah but Wriothesley will probably be a decent lower grade one if I had to guess

[brave marten]

that's what I don't like

[thick oyster]

Idk
Only Stygian Onslaught is the one that requires the ridiculous numbers

And that's already for whales

[brave marten]

it's not abou that it's just

such a weird decision

they basically won't get any spotlight because they'll get replaced

at least some of the Hex units are bis in top meta teams

[thick oyster]

Well I don't think they'll be "replaced"
Sandrone will be the top guy for sure
But we only got one of each DPS for each new Nod-Krai reaction

[brave marten]

yeah but Hex units had

Mona is the premium vape buffer

Sucrose best EM buffer

uhhh who else

well my point is some hex units got off good

[thick oyster]

Also don't most of these guys have free Constellations you can get?

[thick oyster]

Fischl got even better for Overloaded teams

[brave marten]

these units getting buffed in 6.7 are probably not getting the same treatment and they're just budget options

which sucks

but I'd be happy to be wronf

[thick oyster]

Well Cyno has free cons available to him right?

[brave marten]

I think so?

[brave marten]

yes

[thick oyster]

Wrio doesn't but they might change that for Snezhnaya

Since it only goes up to Sumeru for now

[brave marten]

yeah I hope so

I hope I'm wrong

[thick oyster]

Yeah we'll find out when the beta comes out

[brave marten]

yep

few days

and it's not even my biggest worry I'm afraid of the 6.6 quest

[thick oyster]

Oh yeah
The preload is out tonight right?

Gonna have to avoid that

[brave marten]

yeah

in like

wait it's usuallt 5 am and now it's 9pm

8 hours

[brave marten]

same

not opening twitter is gonna be hard

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[brave marten]

I don't open reddit so I'm ok there

but oof twitter

I especially know how Twitter users don't even censor their spoielrs

at least in reddit they mostly do

[thick oyster]

I use that more but I can take a break off it usually

[brave marten]

I'm more of a twitter user

redditors piss me off

[thick oyster]

Yeah it fucking sucks there

Some sub reddits are worse than others though

[brave marten]

bro the leak subreddit

is nice and all

cz it has leaks organized and stuff

but the people there

the mods in it

LORD

they piss me off

[thick oyster]

I don't interact with them too much

So idk what they do

[brave marten]

be grateful

they're very pretentious

[thick oyster]

How so

[brave marten]

you know when you talk to someone and they talk like they're smarter and better in a very corny way

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[brave marten]

while also thinking themselves superior because they didn't "doompost" or stuff like that

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know what you mean

[vivid wasp]

As someone who used to be in the leaks subreddit, its great to know they haven't changed in one bit
More reason for me to not go back there

Both reddit and twitter sucks ass though
But at the very least reddit has moderators, even if they're pretentious as fuck
On twitter you can get death threats for literally breathing
I hate that place so fucking much

[brave marten]

oh you were? what was your username I might have seen you
also yeah god I hate them a lot

[vivid wasp]

I stopped checking the reddit for a year now but my username was ihatesourfigs65
I still do use reddit I just don't check on Genshin related stuff

[brave marten]

I'd rather get death threats than have those pretentious people riding each other then again that also happens in twitter

[vivid wasp]

I also had another reddit account but I got banned and I forgot what the original name was

[brave marten]

oh okay

I don't recognize the name sadly

I only use reddit for genshin related stuff

twitter is the one where I check on other stuff

[vivid wasp]

I stopped using both platforms to check on anything genshin related because I hate talking to the Genshin community in large platforms

I only talk here and on the wiki

[brave marten]

oh you talk on the wiki? 😭

[vivid wasp]

I straight up muted everything genshin related in all other platforms I use because God do I despise the fanbase

[vivid wasp]

Yeah
Its actually very chill on there

[brave marten]

understandable

people say being in echo chamber is bad

but god having such a thing would be much better than interacting with certain types of fan

[brave marten]

I thought it was toxic but im not sure, dont have an account so i cant see the comments

[vivid wasp]

Idk its not about being in an echo chamber, I mean we talk about negative stuff here as well and on the wiki people are pretty welcoming to criticism too.
Its just I hate the typical "fandom" aspects of the fanbase
Shipping, headcanons and people having no media literacy whatsoever, especially because it all ties in to how people discuss everything about the game
Like here, we're all pretty accurate, some of us have our favorite characters and biases, but we're still able to have normal discussions
It's impossible to do that on twitter, people only care about shipping and how hot their favorite characters are so they can glaze them and harass others 24/7
Mavuika stans never shut the fuck about how Capitano lost
Raiden and Yae Miko fans make their entire personality hating male characters
I could go on and on
Thats another great thing about the wiki, no shipping discussions are allowed

[brave marten]

oh okay yeah I understand that, I was a casual shipper at some point but the shipping fandom genuinely made me hate it
besides it's hard being a Dottore fan everywhere because there'll always someone who'll come to harass me or something
so I get why you just use the wiki now

[vivid wasp]

I hate shipping culture in general
I won't harass people who like fanfics and fanarts obviously but it's such a plague in every single big fanbase there is

[brave marten]

I agree

not only it often mischaracterizes the characters

most of them are just agenda

people who like the ships often like the characters for the ships rather than the characters themselves

and it's annoying

and it's one of the reasons I left Dottoremains subreddit few years ago because I was tired of shipping

[vivid wasp]

People like shipping characters they think are hot, that's about it
It rarely ever matters if the characters are interesting because they'll just make ridiculous out of character headcanons anyways
They just care about getting their rocks off
Its why whenever you have the major region teasers in Genshin where they introduce the new characters you'll immediately see people shipping the generic tall ladies/tall males together even if they don't interact with one another in the trailer
And Hoyoverse also plays into this as well obviously, they know its what sells thats why its like that for every region
People eat it up like slop and then go on to claim that hoyoverse is a "queer company" when really they're just made up of weird men who think lesbians are hot and who know woman like bl and that it will sell.
There will never be a canon ship anyways because Hoyoverse can never pick a side on which demographic to cater to
Columbina is the biggest example
They give all the fanservice with both Sandrone and the Traveler, because then the waifu enjoyers can be happy that Columbina is a generic traveler simp for their harem, and the Yuri fans can harass people by claiming that "Actually Columbina is a canon lesbian!1!11" when in reality Columbina is just a product in their money making scheme

[brave marten]

the part about people saying hoyo is a queer company is so real tho

hoyo made a trap for dumb people like that and they fell for it

and they'll always be baited but never given anything in the canon story

[vivid wasp]

This

It pisses me off that they genuinely believe garbage like that

[brave marten]

hate gacha fandom

or fandom in general

[vivid wasp]

Fandoms can be good
Smaller fandoms are usually very chill
Like, there are some games I really like that I'd wish would get more attention
But not in a mainstream way, because I feel like thats when annoying people come in to ruin the fun

[brave marten]

idk I don't think I've seen any fandoms that are chill

and when it's a small thing

there's barely a fandom

[vivid wasp]

I think the Look Outside fandom is pretty chill
But like, it is very small
But for example the developer of the game has a discord and people go there to share fanart and everything and people are always really nice.
And the people on twitter are also very chill too

[brave marten]

I imagine there's no ship potential in it anyways

[vivid wasp]

There is lol, and again I've never seen people argue about it.

This year for April Fools the dev made a joke update that lets you kiss all the enemies instead of fighting them 😭 😭
It was super funny

[brave marten]

wouldn't wanna kiss any of those creatures 🥀

[vivid wasp]

But yeah
I think shipping is cringe
But people can be chill about it
Its just never the case for larger fanbases for some reason.

[brave marten]

because the bigger it is the more it attracts dumber people

and that's usually the people who mostly focus on shipping

[vivid wasp]

Pretty much.

[vivid wasp]

I just realized preload is today

I'm kind of terrified despite the fact that I don't have to look at it

[queen prawn]

"Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world.
"Since you could endure my bitter cold, you must have the desire to burn?
"Then, burn away the old world for me."

[queen prawn]

Columbina atleast make sense unlike manipulative Ayaka ship,Yoimiya(I still have no idea,but I assume it is because she is very wholesome),Citlali is a bit random but her story is good

[vivid wasp]

Columbina is boring and I find her ship with the Traveler to be equally as boring and nonsensical
Same for all the others you mentioned, though I don't find Yoimiya to be boring

[vivid wasp]

Is this uhhh referring to what I said above about the pre-load?

[thick oyster]

Alice x Kleiner is a canon ship

Rerir x Tholindis too

[queen prawn]

It is not that non sense because she was the main character of the story unlike the rest who wasnt the major character

[queen prawn]

No

[vivid wasp]

I know its the Cryo Gemstone brw

[queen prawn]

Just kind of a reminder for Tsarista personality, since I find some people believing she would be super cold and evil

[vivid wasp]

I guess
I have no hopes for her anyways
She's going to turn out to be a traveler simp anyways

[thick oyster]

How it feels to say Rhinedottir isn't pure evil and actually has character depth (I will be called a simp)

[vivid wasp]

Ok let me rephrase
Playable character ship

[thick oyster]

I mean Alice will probably be playable

Probably

[vivid wasp]

I highly doubt it

Unless Kleiner dies

Or is revealed to be Da Wei or some shit

[thick oyster]

Would admittedly be funny for the sheer audacity

[vivid wasp]

Yeah but it won't happen because Da Wei would never betray his #1 true waifu Mavuika

[thick oyster]

Yeah, that's why he never talks to real women either

[vivid wasp]

Real women have flaws unlike Mavuika

[thick oyster]

Nor do they have as many child soldiers as Mavuika

[vivid wasp]

Are you talking about her simps or the people of Natlan

[thick oyster]

Kachina

[vivid wasp]

I know lol

[thick oyster]

But her simps work too

In hindsight was it ever explained why Mavuika couldn't go in the Night Kingdom wars and had to get random children to do the job for her?

[queen prawn]

I think because she was hoping one of the soilder will be the hero

Mualani awaken her ancient name thank to that

[thick oyster]

Instead of looking for them herself
Bum ass idiot

[queen prawn]

If mavuika simply do everything I dont think she would have enough hero

[thick oyster]

The Night Warden wars have been going on for 500 years though

[queen prawn]

Wasn't she asleep for 500 years

[thick oyster]

There were other Pyro Archons in the mean time

And more Night Warden wars

[queen prawn]

Well,it is not her problem then. Those 500 years and almost no hero

Iansan and xilonen was the known hero right

[thick oyster]

Yes

[brave marten]

is it

[thick oyster]

Why wouldn't it?

[brave marten]

they never explicitly stated that they're partners

the only thing they refer to Kleiner as is Klee's dad

[thick oyster]

That still implies some relationship between the two

That's more than anything else in Genshin lol

[brave marten]

could be that they took care of her without any romantic involvement

I'm not saying I want it

but it's just weird how they avoided confirming their relationship once and for all

[thick oyster]

Yeah but having any "relations" with another man is blasphemy to self inserters

So either way

[brave marten]

well yeah despite everything

it's still mroe than anything

that we ever got

in genshin

if Rerir becomes playable he'll be the only character who canonically was in a relationship

and had feelings for someone

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[brave marten]

I wonder when's Alice becoming playable

[thick oyster]

||Not in Snezhnaya, if leaks are to be believed||

[brave marten]

the leaker who said has a very good track record but I still doubt it because it's too far into the future

Snezhnaya's lasting a year after all

[thick oyster]

Idk why but I think Barbeloth might be playable in Snezhnaya
I'm not sure why it's just a gut feeling

[brave marten]

I can understand why

I don't think Hex is getting abandoned after Nod Krai

a new Hex 5* every year or two

makes sense

and bring forth the second wave of Hex buffs

maybe you're right after all about them getting delayed

maybe they delayed them for Barbeloth and the othet witches

[thick oyster]

Yeah, hopefully

Plus it's my theory Barbeloth is Vedrfolnir's student so her being before Khaenri'ah would make sense if it's true

[brave marten]

huh

what's the basis behind your theory

[thick oyster]

Well they're both prophet for one thing and it's implicitly told to us that Vedrfolnir is the only one better than B
Also B has a necklace that looks like Khaenri'ah's symbol + she knows a lot about Khaenri'ah and the outside of Teyvat

[brave marten]

fairs

I can see why

I don't like it tho tbh

[thick oyster]

Y

[brave marten]

that makes two sinners with ties to the Hexenzirkels

and Rhinedottir's crimes get ignored because of her ties to the Hexenzirkel

[thick oyster]

Well yeah the Sinners are pretty important
Plus Vedrfolnir has links to everything

[brave marten]

now Vedrfolnir too? I like Vedrfolnir and I do believe he's a

an uhhh

anti hero? anti villain?

something in between

[thick oyster]

Shadow the Hedgehog

[brave marten]

I just don't want him to get the treatment Rhinedottir is getting

completely washing them of their crimes

[brave marten]

that's my goat fr

[thick oyster]

I want him to be the Archon of Khaenri'ah
But I'm low-key doom posting the fuck that it's going to be Asmoday instead

[brave marten]

😭

it's either her

or Rhinedottir

but I hope it's Ved

I want another male archon

archon equivalent

[thick oyster]

Just make Phainon again I don't even care

[thick oyster]

Rhinedottir is going to be revealed to be the true heiress to the Khaenri'ahn throne that Irmin cruelly stole when she was a baby before he cruelly forced her to use the Abyss to make all those monsters

[brave marten]

I don't like him much but well

better than the last three archon equivalents

[brave marten]

Arlecchino ass backstory

[thick oyster]

I don't play HSR even but he gets a lot of glaze and makes the male haters mad

[brave marten]

yeah I get it

[thick oyster]

Furina too?

[brave marten]

in my opinion at least

I don't like Furina much

or at all

I genuinely hated her back in Fontaine even after 6.2

4.2*

funny thing I hated her so much I said to my friends I can't wait for the pyro archon she's gonna be so much better than this

a year later I was begging to bring back Furina

[thick oyster]

Yeah a lot of people disliked her when Fontaine first came out I remember

[brave marten]

yeah I wasn't one of them

I hated her after the backstory

that's one reason to like Furina for 🥀

but lobotomy kaisen was genuinely peak

I remember back when we had the Gojo Sukuna figjt still going

during the summer

[thick oyster]

What part didn't you like

[brave marten]

every week I wake up to the leaks

agendaposting was at its peakest back thrn

[thick oyster]

The birth of potential man

[brave marten]

the part where she didn't do anything for 500 years to save Fontaine in case Focalors failed

[thick oyster]

The flashback shows her constantly asking the Research Institute for more answers and they never did

[brave marten]

and I still think that's not enough considering her archon position, Neuvillette commissioned a huge boat why didn't she do anything

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-revive-the-strongest-im-so-back-gif-5214708524535058736

every chapter it was a cope of Gojo coming back

I remember I fell for a buddhism related theory

more like Signora and Capitano mains

yeah

genuinely brainwashed me

I still wish he wasn't beaten by Yuji

uh yeah right

same

I'm just a huge hater of when writers make main characters very op and above everyone else in the verse

didn't read it tbh

[thick oyster]

Fair enough I guess
They should have clarified a little more

Yeah fuck that so hard

It still had some disappointments

[brave marten]

THAT'S WHY HxH IS THE GOAT

[thick oyster]

I actually almost fell for it lol

Yuka is the teenager

[brave marten]

although I don't like them bringing Gon back like that

[thick oyster]

His love interest is a random chef lady

[thick oyster]

Yeah I should really read that soon

[brave marten]

bro I genuinely saw a buddhism theory for him and fell for it hook and sinker it was written so well

[thick oyster]

It looks cool

[brave marten]

did u watch the anime

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know but the author might legit die before it's finished right?

[thick oyster]

No cause I hear it removed stuff like Kite being in the first chapter and what not
I know a little about the story already

The final fight ended really unsatisfactory
But themes and such

[brave marten]

nah trust me, watch the 2011 anime

it has removed stuff yes

[thick oyster]

I've seen clips

[brave marten]

but it's adapted well enough

[brave marten]

then watch it

[thick oyster]

It's on Netflix right?

[brave marten]

uhhh not sure tbh

[thick oyster]

More like respecting our neighbors and learning to coexist

[brave marten]

I have the episodes downloaded

in my pc

I rewatch it every year since 2017

[thick oyster]

They do this by fundamentally changing reality

[brave marten]

didn't watch it

[thick oyster]

Maru is his name and yeah
He and Yuji remove all curse energy in the world except for the sorcerers who are already alive

[brave marten]

what

that's their solution?

you're kidding right

[thick oyster]

Yeah
Yuji also has a rematch with Mahito and immediately defeats him with no effort

That was cool at least

Yes that's the main part
Because the aliens thought they were their gods

[brave marten]

bruh

it's kinda stupid

[thick oyster]

Also Dabura (the strongest alien) gets teleported back to his home planet to prevent Yuka from dying cause she summoned Mahoraga

[thick oyster]

Yeah it was pretty underwhelming
Also they reveal Yuta and Maki's son went insane and is now missing and they do nothing with it

[brave marten]

huh

I saw

some parts of that

[brave marten]

that's lowk a setup for another manga isn't it

[thick oyster]

Just read it bro it's only 25 chapters

[thick oyster]

Thank you Chainsaw Man

[brave marten]

I have been procrastinating on a part of a novel since last year now

[thick oyster]

I know your pain

It was insane
Denji inexplicably gives up on his dream to save his love Asa from Yoru's possession so that he can bang her body (without Asa's clear consent btw) and then all of a sudden every single bug devil shows up and is way stronger because now that death has been erased they're way stronger
So the big devils immediately kill and eat Denji who then talks to Pochita who eats and erases himself to try and fix things while also saying Denji was happier as a slave to the Yakuza
So after Pochita is erased essentially the entire timeline is reset with Denji serving the Yakuza again however this time Power saves him from the zombies and for some reason Nayuta replaced Makima as the head of public security (she is still a child)
And then Denji and Power are just devil hunters again now but Denji doesn't have chainsaw powers

Ah
It's gonna be stressful to avoid them

[queen prawn]

Emo baizhu

Is out

[thick oyster]

Pants man

Vs pants woman (Arlecchino)

[worldly rain]

Preload up...reading lore time now

[strange crag]

Updated Ambr with quests to 6.6

[worldly rain]

Thanks

So Nicole is ||youngest angel and was basically kept out of war by her elder sisters
No wonder she doesn't have much memories of the war||

@odd thicket READ THE NEW ARTI
VOYAGER LORE IS HERE

Ok you're vindicated once more with fae

That they were indeed created by humans

@odd thicket fae ||also fought during the rebellion alongside humans||

Nope considering that fae didn't mesh well with humans during tsar time remember...

@odd thicket also voyager || is part of civilization that could travel through time they literally saw the end of the cosmos and just gave up
Until voyager dreamt of a dragon and a new world...||

[thick oyster]

We've already had the artifact descriptions for a while

We knew Teyvat was special because of Nibelung for like a year now

So you guys think we'll be getting new artifacts in 7.0 too or no?

[worldly rain]

No way... ||voyager human body died and her souls went back to her original body||

@odd thicket is golden flame associated with descenders by any chance?

[thick oyster]

Golden flame feels Xiuhcoatl coded

[worldly rain]

No way... ||voyager body had golden flame||

||Upon the platform stood a body once mortal, and since worn and broken by the toll of the ages.
In those starlit eyes, a golden flame flickered and then faded. Her final answer in the end was nothing more than a long silence.||

[thick oyster]

||Golden flame?
Pale flame too||

Hm

Wiki says pale flame

Might be similar sounding in Chinese or something

[worldly rain]

Yo ||rebels from all nations came together under the golden city so whole of unified civilization was indeed involved no wonder they all got destroyed||

[thick oyster]

||Most of the civilizations were Moon worshipers too||

That's why they made Saarelainen

Or tried to

Saarelainen was the perfect being

But he was too young when the war happened
Probably

[queen prawn]

Doctor Who ahh

[worldly rain]

Lmao no way they just confirmed morning star

[thick oyster]

And eventually Capitano too

[worldly rain]

All that wierd theory got to dump and it's the most obvious answer

||Koitar||

[thick oyster]

Yes
He's the core of Project Stuzha

And he has a magic heart like the hearts of the gnoses

[thick oyster]

Isn't she the Dawn Star?

No not Ajax he's too weak and unimportant

[worldly rain]

||The eldest daughter, once hailed as the morning star, now sat enthroned in unforgivable sin.||

[thick oyster]

||Again with the "eldest daughter" mention||
Did I say my theory that I think she was the Shade of Reason here ever?

They ain't shilling a 5 year old character broski

Millistein is the key of Stuzha

Millistein is Capitano's sword

Tartaglia wishes he could have Scaramouche's aura

I think I did once
But yeah I think Koitar is the Shade of Reason not Phanes

Because Hroptatyr is the Sinner of Reason

While Irmin is the clear Phanes parallel

So why are they separate?

[worldly rain]

||"A pale star burns beyond the false firmament, and its very existence proclaims our victory."
"Even in failure new possibilities will arise, for those yet to come are also watching us."
"Behold... The stars shine ever so bright tonight." ||

[thick oyster]

Pale star?

[worldly rain]

Voyager most likely again

[thick oyster]

Ahhh

More Fatui connections

Yet again

[worldly rain]

This is said by Koitar btw

[thick oyster]

Childe has that "stupid yet lovable goon of the main antagonist" aura

We don't know if Ajax is Saarelainen's real name

It could be Ymir

But he was chopped up

And made into the new world

Like Saarelainen

Doesn't have to be 1:1

[worldly rain]

||The descendants of the ancients rose in defiance, and over the millions of years that followed, conquered time and space in turn.
Yet, the farther they pushed into the unknown, the more they understood the futility and sorrow of their struggle.
The once-glorious civilizations that set out alongside them had long since vanished without a trace.
To escape the annihilation that would one day engulf them all, those once-passionate pioneers sealed off the pathways that spanned the cosmos.
They retreated to Giant Voids amidst the numerous galaxies, to the lightless edges of perception, as they clutched the last faint trace of hope.
The first people who had mastered leptons sent forth chroniclers toward the limits of baryonic matter in the hope of finding answers at the very last particle of existence.||

[thick oyster]

Gnoses are still the arbiters of the new world

[thick oyster]

||Kleiner is probably one of the chroniclers too||

[worldly rain]

I can see now yeah

[thick oyster]

Maybe Phanes lost an eye too

In the war with Nibelung

[worldly rain]

||As starlight wheeled on and the beacons upon the star charts went dark one by one, they at last extended their probes to the very end of time.
There, all light had vanished, and all possibility was spent. Even the finest motes of dust had drifted apart.
There was no turning point, no miracle to be found. At the very end of fate, all that remained was a void of utter chaos and darkness.
Every equation they had uncovered, every constant they had defined, now stood in silent proclamation of their end.
It was in that moment that their history came to a close.||

Very Rene's prophecy coded
Even cosmic fate is the same

[thick oyster]

Teyvat is a microcosm of the world

Maybe but still

[worldly rain]

Alright so basically...
||-Voyager belongs to civilization that transcended space and time who found out the cosmos end
-they hid themselves into the void to avoid the fate and sent chroniclers to record the dying of civilization
-until one of the chroniclers awakened to a birth of new shinning world aka Voyager and teyvat||

Rest we already know and one extra detail that was added is
||-Voyager human body died and she was went back to her original form||
Ngl this untimely event might be the reason they failed....

[queen prawn]

||Terminus before it even exist in star rail||

Genshin powerscale got even crazier

[worldly rain]

Exactly
No way with this level of lore expansion genshin isn't it's own world now
I very much doubt we'll be seeing honkai anymore

[queen prawn]

I believe in Genshin exist before star rail theory tbh, Narwhal is very similar to Levithan in there

People used to doubt it because Narwhal was super weak but we now know Narwhal was heavily nerf and isnt in it prime

Also regarding the AQ, ||it is interesting that the pyro gnosis automatically merged with Traveler,my dream come true too bad we couldn't get to see some memories of the 3rd Descender ||

[worldly rain]

||Tsar found a young infant silver haired in the ruins of hyperborea
He brought the human infant back with him
She grew up within the palace and she led the secret research that Tsar had ordered
Her name is Aksinya||

Wonder if she's going to be another WQ character or MQ relevant but more likely she's WQ just like Aila

Nicole upscaling zibai in funny way

[queen prawn]

||Human infant? She is dead||

[worldly rain]

So was Aila

[queen prawn]

aint she the one with horn

[worldly rain]

Uh she's the one we met in the past basically

No way... That's huge lore bomb right there
||angels who took power over wisdom turned into dragons like Ursa the drake||

[thick oyster]

Can you guys please start talking in the spoilers section?

[worldly rain]

I won't go there I'll get spoiler for MQ
But I'll stop for now

[thick oyster]

Thank u

[frank wolf]

||If not Snezhnaya, she will end up dead instead. She's a parent, she won't live long under HoYoVerse's watch.||

[thick oyster]

Honestly yeah probably

[vivid wasp]

Morning

I slept like shit

I'm terrified of preload leaks

I'm seeing all these black boxes on chat and I know I don't have to click then but I feel an overwhelming sense of doom just scrolling by

[thick oyster]

Already looked at a couple
Couldn't help myself

[vivid wasp]

I read Nicole's voicelines and character stories, nothing related to the new AQ

[thick oyster]

Haven't looked at anything directly yet
I've just gotten all my spoilers from others lol

[vivid wasp]

Thats fair
The only reason I'm able to contain myself from looking is because I'm lowkey terrified at what the new lore reveals are gonna be

[river valve]

I just wanna say ||Nicole's about voice lines are boring af||

[vivid wasp]

Is this related to the new archon quest? If so can you please specify that?

[queen prawn]

Probably there isnt any big lore reveal

Like about Phanes

[vivid wasp]

Idk if you're joking or not but I'd really rather not be spoiled on anything
And yes saying "we will get big lore reveal on X character" is a spoiler even if you're not telling what the reveal is in question

[queen prawn]

I haven't read her voiceline so I am joking about it,depend on what he think is not boring

[vivid wasp]

Ok

I'm just gonna mute chat for now because I'm feeling uh, very very anxious about this update and I'd really prefer to not be spoiled on anything
So yeah, see you guys in about a week or two
Maybe, idk

[brave marten]

likely her about voicelines in the character profile

[vivid wasp]

Nicole's voicelines?

[brave marten]

likely

in the character profile

[vivid wasp]

Ah ok

Well I've read those so its fine

[queen prawn]

It is the "good morning" thing

[brave marten]

and the

[vivid wasp]

I just wanted to know because I'm very paranoid about spoilers right now

[brave marten]

about "Alice" and such

[brave marten]

yeah I'm sure he didn't mean the AQ

[queen prawn]

Her teapot voiceline is interesting though (not related to AQ so dw)

[queen prawn]

Nicole trailer out

Bakunawa as the demon king,questionable choice

Also is that girl the one with dummy commission "oh that how you do it"

[thick oyster]

Dammit I'm so impatient
Just come out already 6.6

[river valve]

Its in her voice lines in character profile like others said

I dont know any AQ spoilers i avoid those like hantavirus

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-homelander-eyes-homelander-meme-the-boys-meme-gif-1670477354384489401

[worldly rain]

Done with act 9
Lot of lore drops here

Also I got it right on Deshret lore

[thick oyster]

I just finished it

Was absolutely crazy

But I won't spoil

Lol

[worldly rain]

Act 9 wasn't too long
I'm assuming act 10 is longer?

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[white spade]

:1

[cinder jasper]

Yall can yall help i read something earlier that i have forgotten that dottore something something did to inazuma that it has fallen in inazuma? I forgot the full context of it

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket did you do the quest?

[worldly rain]

I'm halfway in act 10 I'll get it done tomorrow likely then we'll talk
Load of lore drops happened
Also one of the irminsul theory was right after all

I guess I can talk about act 9 lore since I've done that

Two major lore here

||1)Irminsul existed before PO arrived
2) Angel were created by primordial humans? ||

Yeah but I guess with Melanta talking about them it was inevitable they'll have some role here

Still they're definitely different from regular humans

Which is why it's interesting here

Ngl men of lithin theory might be back

Oh and I guess I was right when I said Deshret ||wanted to reverse time to go back to when nabu still lived that was his plan with Aaru
But he didn't do it because of his promise to nabu and rukha
And then the whole FK event occurred and he died in that event||

Yeah that's what men of lithin says too except for hallucination part

Maybe the egg is creating it then

With egg being the collective part

I did ||he was traveler backup basically but one who could just go the wrong path||

Also did you read the border part? Hilarious

@odd thicket also Rhine didn't just ||create another human she created primordial human|| with Albedo
She just got an upscale

Now I'm thinking with albedo and all that but would this all mean that descnders are actual ||primordial humans||?
So if PO created angels that would fit what Nicole said...

Or are we still thinking of collective consciousness?

Yeah the Phosphorus and Hesperus theory coming into full picture here

One being the actual ||primordial human|| aka PO who created angels and other being the usurper who took over formers achievement for his own aka HP

This seems more likely imo because that's been the theme so far in game

Yes

Irl myth is that they are two side of Venus
Day time we see one side of planet
And when night falls we see other side

Thus time changes the two version of Venus

[cinder jasper]

Wdym? Can you give more context than just that 😭

[thick oyster]

PO is a Primordial human

They're all the same

Escher is a separate guy from Dottore

Dottore just copied him

And taking his appearance

The what

That's a normal lizard

It's a lizard

Not much

This is it

You're supposed to focus on the Traveler

It's a directing technique

Show something unimportant in the foreground first before zooming in on the thing in the background

They didn't

I didn't notice them

So they weren't that important I guess

[thick oyster]

It's the Night Kingdom buffing them

Capitano will take the rest when he connects the NK to the Ley Lines

[thick oyster]

We thought the data of Scaramouche was deleted

But Dottore still found it

It's preserved in memories rn

Or something

[sacred hornet]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Columbina/Profile#Character_Mentions

I'm surprised that there aren't that many character voice-overs mentioning Columbina; what about the rest of the gang from the Archon quests (Flins, Nefer, Varka, Ineffa)? Or do you think there might be an influx of lines after Version 6 is finally over?

Damn, hope that changes somehow. She's got waaay fewer mentions than any of the deities

[queen prawn]

Traveler was

||gnosis physical body might be gone but the essence (I made this up) could be in Traveler body after it was resonated with Traveler when we absorbed it||

[queen prawn]

||yes but Traveler was also near it before it ignite||

||and Nahida meet the Shade||

[thick oyster]

All memories are still stored

Also maybe the Gnosis is preserved in the memories of the NK

[thick oyster]

The NK is separate though

For now

Should be when the fire purged Irminsul

The gnosis has a long history in Natlan and by extension - the NK

She isn't tied to the Night Kingdom

Only Yohual and Cap are

Not when it's outside of her

She was separate from it

She's working with Capitano rn

Plus Mavuika doesn't seem to care

Yeah but she wouldn't know where it would go

No she wouldn't

No she wouldn't

She just sensed it disappeared

Not where it went

Big difference

Not its location

Not if it's in the Night Kingdom

It's a separate realm

No

But the Pyro Gnosis is connected to the NK

The Pyro Gnosis is unique

No she isn't connected to the Gnosis

She just used it

Once

Not one she's connected to

Mavuika is more connected to the Sacred Flame

Not the Gnosis

When have Archons sensed the gnosis before

Never

Saarelainen?
Mavuika has no connection to him

Xiuhcoatl's power isn't in the Gnosis

Saarelainen's is

You're the idiot

No she just felt it disappear not where it went

[thick oyster]

Saarelainen most likely had Phlogiston powers too

Like the Traveler

But she could sense the power of the Primal Flame in it

I know

But the Gnoses don't have the dragons' power

Unless Saarelainen had a copy of the dragons' power

The pure form of the elements

It's Celestia's tool to keep an eye on the Archons

They themselves don't seem to care about it too much

It also maintains the order of Phanes somehow

It isn't broken

Just disappeared

They would have said destroyed

If it was destroyed

Gone to somewhere unknown

Possibly the Abyss Order grabbed it

Because Khaenri'ah is right by Irminsul

It has unlimited power

It can't be spent

That was her Sacred Flame power

And that's because she used most of it to fight the Abyss

They would most definitelty keep a very close eye on it though

It should still be there

In some form

And ruins

That was caused by the heat and destruction most likely

The Abyss Order bases in places like that all the time though

No

He doesn't want the Gnosis

Unless it's for the Abyss Order's deal with Yohual

We don't know what her exact condition was though

Or why she and Cap want it

Vedrfolnir wouldn't want the gnosis though

Capitano would want it for one obvious reason at least

His plan is to break fate

He wants the Traveler to ascend

Yes he wants everyone to transcend fate

The Loom is already completed

They just need a spot

It can be a peaceful device though

Caribert used it to try and give himself a life

It's like Durin

No it is operational

They just need space

Same guy

Same thing

When

I don't remember that at all

Giving them a home could be a good thing though

As it would prevent them from being violent

Not necessarily

They've been setting up a more peaceful resolution to the Abyss lately

Abyss isn't destruction it's entropy

Destruction is actively malicious while entropy is just the end and degradation of things

Not always

Elynas and OG Durin didn't understand what they were doing

But they were both reborn in peaceful forms

Melusines and New Durin

In the Resin right?

You mean the Resin description

But "erased" doesn't have to mean erased from Irminsul

Especially considering that descenders aren't even in Irminsul

Or Marrow

It's literally an optional lore drop

"Erased" could just mean "killed" for all we know

Idk

He was "eradicated"

So do Saarelainen

He has a prayer about him

Was pretty direct for the most part

Could be the blanked out name in the pyro gem

I guess

So Ajax isn't his real name either

Just as I thought

Or Ymir or something

https://tenor.com/view/atack-on-tittan-titan-mandibula-ymir-snk-shingeki-no-kyojin-gif-20335585

It depends
Nibelung's name is from Norse mythology
Phanes is Greek
And the Travelers are either Gnostic or Greek iirc

Well Aether is Greek while Lumine is Latin

Yeah

Wonder what Nibelung's real name will be

Or Phanes for that matter

Since I doubt Phanes is their real name either

||Maybe we'll get Nibelung's real name when we go to the Moon in 6.7||

||Have you seen the leaks for it?||

Also the space ship is still there

Annoying we didn't enter it

Ok

It's nothing much

[graceful lagoon]

what is this thing? i got it after fighting dottore, i haven't done story yet

[thick oyster]

Not book

Item description

But it doesn't matter

[worldly rain]

Shouldn't be ||nahida says aaru took everything irminsul does that should include fate and leylines as well||

||more possibilities yes but that also implies fate was indeed transferred no?
Besides we don't even know how fate actually works so not really that much relevant for now||

Because ||dottore corrupted it and was going to create entirely new world and impose that on current world||

We'll see as nahida say ||fate has more possibilities||

Can't do everything for now gotta let others shine (tsaritsa sitting idly by waiting for her turn)

Ngl I enjoyed the setting up of ||Pantelone|| for future arc

And past ||Dottore|| reveal was also good

The fact that ||og zandik died long ago|| I did not expect that ngl

Like what?

Where do I find the book?

Actually I can just read that from ambr nvm

But on this note I think it's intentional for loose end his story is done some things are just not meant to be I guess

His motive was revealed his character and past as well to us
Whether those things are revealed to in game character like wanderer is not relevant much I think
It's like Rukha the info is for us only not in game character

On that note I think it's ended well without loose ends

That's just his character though

That doesn't matter
We know his character and how that shaped his pursuit that's all
It's like asking why good people are good and doing good things...You don't need explanation for that
His personality is revealed and we can judge his actions based on that

You are

It's similar to how arle childhood wasn't revealed entirely before she joined the orphanage
Because it's not relevant

You don't see her it's just brief mention
We got brief mention of his history as well
I'd say even more this patch with ||og dottore story||

We have ||he died and his own self loved that||

That's his nature wdym how he turned out liked that

His nature is the reason he was chased out
Why he was sought out by Pierro
Why everything he did

Well you can blame the writers then

||He says he likes the experiment itself and doesn't really care for results
That was the window to his personality
He was born like that is the only assumptions because the game doesn't tell otherwise||

Cold rational personality that's just the trait

Might as well ask why psychopath or sociopath exist... Well they just do

I've seen enough anime to know some children are just...like that...you know twisted in their head

Might just be would be poetic as well

Wouldn't say that tbh ||dottore seemed satisfied with his final experiment as he implied with his talk to Pantelone and nahida both||

||Pantelone ask of his inevitable death and he just says his desire was for it to happen with interesting effect
And irminsul burning was it for him||

Because you're assuming he wanted something out of it when he already says ||people think he cares about results which he doesn't...he care about process of experiment itself||

We're not told that but as I said some people are born like that
And that's what the writers wanted out of him I guess

I mean not really they already gave enough hints about his character and personality and goals and achievement
Not every one needs sob backstory imo

I liked the fact he was indeed a villain

[worldly rain]

Alright read the anomalous tree marrow
||basically reveals his whole psyche at different ages
Dude lost compassion for others by age 8 for example

Also another interesting stuff about 3rd descender that he broke one rule(which?) And for that he was erased but doctor doesn't know the method on how he was erased
We probably do that his remains were converted to gnosis||

[worldly rain]

Also on the fact that ||Aaru can literally replace Irminsul...||
Another goat Deshret win

||The clones numbers are also the age when he made them so he was 8 when he did that||

?

The segments

Watch the cutscene again

Nvm the age is true but not the creation

Uh wait..
||so basically the age of segment is true 8 being the zandik of 8 years old
But he wasn't created when zandik was 8|| I read that wrong mb

He says ||zandik found khanerrian tech and started creating his segments||

Btw ||pantelone is also pretty much 400+ years old atp||
So pretty much only Arle and Childe are relatively young

@odd thicket ok I completely forgot as well but ||what happened to that nahida dialogue of inverted statue of God with one being different and the location being hidden||
Quest ended without it being brought up....

||She also told us to not tell anyone ||what was that about...

Even so what was the point of it in current quest...it literally wasn't brought up anywhere again

[glad crypt]

what does this have to do with lore

[worldly rain]

Yeah

Not much

Only after kukulkan and they still weren't fully human as we know them

Oh wait are you seperating PO with Phanes here?

That wouldn't make sense as Nicole called Phanes and she was speaking of HP only

Right now PO=HP=Phanes is the in game story
But because of lore there's some doubt over PO! = HP

I'm not refuting that even the enka achievement hinted that 4 years ago

Durin weapon lore
And new WQ all are pointing towards that only

I'll write about this later I'll need to think about it and present the lore about this so far

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket I can't connect the two lol

Let me try again i guess
So some sort of abyss hidden deep beneath the primordial sea aka narayana right?

Yes yes but he lays deep beneath the primordial sea and there abyss there

Right so in men of lithin...
The humans were supposed to have waged war using "lithin" which eventually covered up the whole planet and made it difficult for survival

What they did next? Merged their souls into energy form and stored it deep underground in a vault

Now let's connect the two here

So primordial humans used abyss to wage war which led to abyss covering whole planet
They merged their souls into single consciousness called narayana and stored it beneath the primordial sea

@odd thicket would this make sense here?

That's my issue here...

So in men of lithin the enlightened ones created artificial beings aka surface dweller who have direct opposite composition to them right...

Now what I'm thinking is what if this is ||dragons as Apep says Irminsul existed during the dragonkind rule and it served them||

So here's what I'm thinking Irminsul is light realm...Which is opposite to abyss...See where I'm going with this?

||So narayana created the Irminsul which sustained the dragons||

Now we know the goal of creating these surface dwellers was so they can destroy the planet which again will create suitable environment for enlightened ones

So connecting the two again

||Dragons would destroy the world using abyss which would create suitable environment for narayana to finally com back to surface again||

And this is where the theory just ends for me...

There's still the unenlightened ones left...there's still the whole HP not connected to any of this

That's why is said I can't seem to connect the two

My issue with men of lithin is that if I use it to say primordial humans and dragons then HP doesn't fit the equation
But if I say it's HP and humanity then dragons don't fit...
It's weird

But dragons are still there...

Definitely not dragons because it goes against everything Kukulkan or Apep said

I don't know
||Nicole says angels were created by primordial humans ||
We know from lore angels were created by HP
That only points to them being the same

It's the same PO made the fate
HP is the one who governs the fate
PO made shinning shades out of them
Shades trailer explicitly says they follow HP order

They're using both names interchangeably I feel which is leading to confusion but I don't think there's anything beyond that

It's the same shit as morning star...which got confirmed too

Intentionally confusing us

Or en translation being the main culprit here again I fear

Because somehow cn lore don't have such confusion...

Yeah

In en she was called dawn star as well so that's where the confusion happened

But guess what they both her title anyway

"Memory" is "design,"
The scales are a symbol of reason.
The golden twins join hands,
And the silver tree sprouts buds.

Fucking stupid lore

I'll give you main pointers on men of lithin you can then connect it and tell me how it goes

1. enlightened ones - humans who converted their souls into energy and stored it deep underground in a vault

2. unenlightened ones - humans who didn't convert their souls and now reincarnate among the surface dwellers

Protagonist of the book is supposedly the leader of this group who in his past incarnation consumed gas of "ignorance " that allows him to see through deception of "fog of reason"
This fog hides the reality from surface dwellers (this includes unenlightened ones who reincarnated)

3. surface dwellers - artificial beings created by enlightened ones

Their purpose? To purify the environment (that was polluted by humans waging war) so that humans can come back to surface
The catch here? The purified environment thus created will be toxic to surface dwellers themselves

4. lithin - energy source, also composition of humans

5. technocraric assembly - organisation that controls the supply of lithin secretly controlled by enlightened ones

If you can connect all these terms with current lore go ahead

Alright ping me when you finish

[queen prawn]

I want to see zibai nicole interaction

[thick oyster]

Funny thing is that Nicole is nervous to meet her cause she looks up to Zibai

[queen prawn]

That is why I want them to meet

[thick oyster]

Imagine if she met the red part specifically

[sacred hornet]

I'm guilty of not having finished many of the foundational sumeru world quests. Can you please recommend any specific ones that come to mind when you did the latest Luna? 🙏

[graceful lagoon]

i haven't done Cyno story and to this day i still don't know who the heck Sethos is

[sacred hornet]

I haven't started golden slumber, think I'm pretty far into the pari quest line, and probably <50% done with aranyaka quest line. Barely started cyno's story quest ch 2

[graceful lagoon]

||https://youtu.be/MbkUgidcQ00?si=2oOL4etAD4VE0WuG||

[worldly rain]

You know as much as I enjoyed the quest ||the fact that we really saw zero aftermath to one of the most important event so far in game aka Irminsul burning|| was kinda underwhelming now that I think about it...

Nod krai peak remains the moonttore and columbina return for me

[worldly rain]

||Like even if they had showed a bit of immediate aftermath instead I would consider it close to columbina return story
But they left it for future it just felt anti climatic||

Your complain about ||not showing how he became the way he was|| aside I think they did fantastic job with his story
Would be even better yes if what you had complained about was also shown but I guess they || just didn't want any sympathy for him like they did with other villains||

Agreed with ||no stakes|| this did impact ||dottore's end as well imo for now at least||
Don't agree with ||Aaru handling everything Irminsul as they acknowledged they only took important memories as back up...
As to what these are we don't know nor do we know the impact of not backing up everything||
Which is where ||the anit climax is basically||

Yeah ||and the consequences weren't shown not even hinted|| which is where my disappointment comes

Worst part ||shades literally couldn't care less...But like why? ||

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

||Yeah and they just trusted Nicole to do that? || like at least show some resistance here

[patent cloud]

|| the shades were just playing along ||
|| they already knew what would happen ||

you gotta remember
|| istaroth WROTE that shit, she knew how it would end ||

[worldly rain]

||This is after shades teaser saying they should be getting ready to be involved||
I guess that's for snezhnaya but I wouldn't lie I was fooled

||Pantelone before dying actually follows Dottore advice
Uses his memories about him and merge that with with soul
Boom this time pantelottore fight||

[queen prawn]

We already know the Shade are pretty rebellious lol,why are we suprised ?

||except the fate system is gone which should be a concern regardless||

[worldly rain]

||Not against fate which was anchored on Irminsul||

[queen prawn]

Also you propose a theory that istaroth basically prevent Traveler from being Phanes tool so like

[worldly rain]

||nah that was also transferred to Aaru|| lol but I was just talking about initial reaction like ||this was pretty big event to just go along was just especially when fate is concerned||

[queen prawn]

||Really? Didnt nahida said fate have more possibilities now||

[worldly rain]

Yes because ||not every memories got backed up so it will have consequences in fate system||

||Aaru became the new anchor for fate basically||

[queen prawn]

||Is Nahida the only admin of Aaru though||

||anyway, nothing concern the Shade, I think they are rebellious and they know the 4th Descender will solve everything. Them saying it is time for them to intervene does not necessarily mean they will appear physically which could explain the pyro gnosis being gone,if they took the gnosis away,they basically just intervene with Tsarista plan||

[worldly rain]

She'll be npc most likely so not likely at all

[worldly rain]

Nah at best unique npc

I do wonder though if that snegurochka princess was tsaritsa or not...

Sounded like her but I can't be sure

She was the head of the Tsar's project
We already know the consequences of that project
I doubt she'd be alive especially since she was human lol
If she didn't die at abyss breakout she certainly died via old age

And her coming back in say WQ will likely be similar to Aila so ghost npc or something

Or past records or something

Considering he was heading the project at the time of disaster could be
In fact he might be the young guy who started working under her

They wouldn't waste bronya on anyone besides Tsaritsa so I'm sure if bronya is there it's not her

Btw this is how snegurochka looks like so if Tsaritsa is that princess from artifacts then she might have very unique look

[worldly rain]

Also this line from vol 1 of pale princess...
"Everyone in the Kingdom of the Moonlight Forest was born with fair skin, light-colored hair, and bright blue eyes. "
Very snegurochka indeed...

Then might not be related but still her being humans is a giveaway that she might not be alive
Unless some strange stuff happens...

[white spade]

Hey

[wild marsh]

yeah i wasnt a fan of this either. My silver lining (this may just be my copium) is it at least seems like they kinda hinted at it mattering at the end?? ||unless someone can explain to me the tomato conversation, this seems like it came out of nowhere and is extremely random, and it feels like it's hinting at some information already being kinda fucked up, because its like, both parties don't seem to be communicating properly with each other. This could also just be me not being able to read. My guess is they didn't want to commit to it already mattering before Snez story starts, but they are hinting at it mattering eventually.||

but this is probably my only complaint and its like, potential to be addressed later on. Which I do wish it was more immediately obvious but ehh. everything else was pure gas

Another cope theory of mine ||is that, aware that Asmoday is missing during that final scene with Nahida and Shades, feels like transporting Irminsul to Aaru is some Asmoday/Space shenanigans. Alice already pretty much has a direct connection to Asmoday, now Nicole can also do weird shit like this? I'm not a huge lore guy, but there feels like a ramping connection between Hexenzirkal and Asmoday.||

[frank wolf]

How would that work by treating Snegurochka and Tsaritsa as different people? I usually think Snegurochka is the Tsaritsa because the former lost her lover after he opened the Gates of Pohjola and became the seven Gnoses, and the latter wants to gather them for her own purposes, something the Archons slowly dip to just giving them up because they have no real use for them.

Okay, now I'm slowly getting convinced the Tsaritsa was the lover of the Third Descender. When he was sacrificed to become the Gnoses, she made the most daring choice of challenging the heavens, and the real reason she's collecting these Gnoses is possibly to bring her lover back from the dead.

[wild marsh]

that's been the going theory for a while now, right?

if you say so

just noticing...

||I just find it odd that we have 2 of them who have space related powers. Could just be a coincidence of high level magic powers being similar.||

hmm

Was it not ||functionally a data transfer? I might have to reread that bit, and specifically all the Aaru Irminsul connection stuff.||

[frank wolf]

Aksinya is the name of the silver-haired assistant, the Tsaritsa's first aide. She's like a kid running around and playing things by the ear.

[wild marsh]

is this temple of space stuff? Starting it now.

yeah. i was busy when 6.5 came out

||Yeah, I guess when I think of transferring, I am thinking of it being a space related power, but there's a lot of connection between space and time, so it's probably just a function of both.||

[worldly rain]

Snegurochka was confirmed to be type of fae the most common one you'll see in Snezhnaya
They're basically the dominant one of all fae
Tsaritsa assuming she is the princess from the artifact is to be of this type only

"Though there is no meaning in this world within an eggshell,
The "fortune" we speak of is not some false metaphor,
In 14 billion "years" of darkness,
It is the sum of all that is destined to happen and all that never will."

• Wheel of Fortune

"Over billions of years, the fires of civilization lit up the endless stars, and ships wove through countless gates of stars.
Adventures, conquests, and legends beyond imagining today unfolded without end in the sea of stars.
That is, until the fate of the cosmos was severed thread by thread, and giants and dwarfs alike met the same end."

• Celestial Gift artifact

"The "Wheel of Fortune" turns ever onwards,
But there are things which are never forgotten,
Things that can never be destroyed.
At least, I am willing to believe so.
Just as you believe in reunion with her."

• Wheel of Fortune

"...Yet, I can still await the one my heart loves. The starlight will guide my return to that great city, where I will await our promised reunion."

• Ancient Handwriting

@odd thicket Wheel of fortune might be describing Voyager not Istaroth as wiki says

[sly bison]

Finished new AQ

Quite content with it

||also tfw Collei finally became an official first ranger before Noelle could become a knight of Favonius|| 😭

[worldly rain]

It's the reunion part that got me thinking
The only problem was cosmos lore and time and space but new artifacts cleared that
So now it's 99% chance it's Voyager only

Oh also the fact that fortune spoken about was not false sky but universal fate

They're really going there

And that is the cue to PO redemption

He's saving everyone guys

Phanes will look like this and everyone will forget their crimes real

@odd thicket so remember of "storytelling" magic given by celestia to Hex?

Alice told us

In durin patch I don't remember what it was

Anyway look at what magician arcanum says

"That fleeting moment of laughter and "magic,"
Is naught but a speck of light,
Formed in the boundless void."

See?

"Magic" Is speck of light formed in boundless void...
Another light originating from void...
They can't keep getting away...

[sly bison]

Quite a handsome AI there
They forgot to render their legs tho

[worldly rain]

Yes

The magician

Oh the last two lines were mine not from arcanum lol

No I already qouted it
I was expanding on that with my commentary

You know the theory of PO and abyss being linked? I was talking about that

So storytelling is a magic given by celestia to hex

And lunar arcanum which has hex imagery talks of "magic" Being nothing but light formed in void

Was pointing that out...

[mental flame]

bet, deadass gonna be the case lol

all that kh*nrian, harbinger, sinners, abyss order and dragon glazing gonna be tossed to the trashcan

[queen prawn]

Good to not be any of those glazer

I am alien glazer

Except Voygaer

That fool ruin everything

[thick oyster]

Nah they're gonna look like this

https://tenor.com/view/spongebobsquarepants-chocolate-gif-19415198

Honestly I want them to look fucked up
The most fucked up design we have in this game is like.... Gosoythoth-Xiuhcoatl though

https://tenor.com/view/fear-and-hunger-fear-and-hunger-1-funger-gro-goroth-nas'hrah-gif-9378123310517517076

Imagine Phanes pulling up like this

I would say Moon Presence but that spot is already kinda taken

I guess if we ever get more Crimson Moon content

He kills children just like in Bloodborne too

He should've used the chalice that cannot be named

Nah it's gonna be Bakunawa bro

No, Enjou

Erm technically he also debuted in an event 🤓

So like Mini Durin he has a chance

2.5 had an event with him in it

He also voiced in a trailer

They don't give a shit did you see how many world quest characters appeared in the latest quest

No he's the Pyro Sovereign so he'll be five star

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/pera-algorand-algo-hopium-copium-gif-16765445473855345349

https://tenor.com/view/meme-funny-hood-just-let-it-go-bruh-its-over-gif-2300031300461303277

No no no Capitano will be playable in 7.2 as he'll release before his BIS the Tsaritsa

And 7.0 will have playable Pulonia who will be Sandrone's BIS

No he's 7.4
He's getting Varka'd

https://tenor.com/view/sandbina-sandbina-genshin-sandrone-columbina-columbina-genshin-gif-14493822915998263590

Yeah but it was a rough release man

I still have no fucking Prune

But C1 Nicole should be enough

[wild marsh]

wait same as me

[thick oyster]

Saving for Sandrone cause I know they're gonna shill the fuck out of Superconduct

[wild marsh]

but I pulled nicole for klee more than Varka

[thick oyster]

That ain't happening till Khaenri'ah

[wild marsh]

admirable

[thick oyster]

Perhaps

[worldly rain]

"Did you catch everything?
What our eyes see ought to be our fate.
But now, close your eyes and feel
For with our blood we will forge out true fate"

Surely next year

Ignition teaser...

[thick oyster]

There's a secret 6.8 that will have the next Dainsleif quest and Capitano's return

https://tenor.com/view/reze-reze-chainsaw-man-reze-arc-reze-rain-csm-gif-15825657779504732061

[worldly rain]

Imunlaukr...Another outlander who wanted to save the white haired princess but instead led to destruction

[queen prawn]

so,6.6 basically suggest that Phanes is ship AI?

Knowledge they learn from celestia is called technology

also,do people have to finished the entire sumeru WQ before the AQ or there is no req?

[queen prawn]

forgot

teapot remind nicole of a certain <technology>

and zhongli is the one who taught them it,we already know he is well connected to celestia

irminsul was just a tree with no computer like fashion

[sly bison]

@odd thicket you finished the AQ right

||Pantalone/Zandik fusion here we come|| (maybe)

Mfw it’s literally gonna be ||their son||

😭

[sly bison]

Oh yeah ||the lizard in the background still hasn’t been addressed||

Along with the whole ||human mind to anime transferring|| experiments

[wild marsh]

im sorry man. ||Alice and Kleiner|| are coming before ||Pantalone and Dottore's experimental lovechild||

[sly bison]

||https://fixupx.com/daemiachirabys/status/2058136151160930713||
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6.6 / Luna 7 Spoilers
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︀︀I've seen people claim burning Irminsul had no consequences.
︀︀But it did: Irminsul's functions are now run by Aaru, which partly needs humans to operate. In other words, Irminsul's functions, including fate, are in the hands of humanity. Mind you,

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[wild marsh]

:clueless:

[sly bison]

I hope not tbh

But if it opens the door to what ||Dottore and Pantalone were discussing|| we’ll see how they cook

[wild marsh]

Yeah. I was thinking ||not just that, but there's way more administrators for Aaru than Irminsul. Like, a lot of people have access to it, unlike Irminsul, which means its way less secure of a system.||

[frank wolf]

I kept hearing somewhere that Pantalone could be playable in 7.0, but I personally don't feel like he will be one.

[wild marsh]

||Like thinking about the process Dottore had to go through to gain access to Irminsul, but then Alhaitham and Kaveh were like "pls man, we need to use it lol"||

[thick oyster]

||Also Yohualtecuhtin wants to connect the NK to the rest of the Ley Lines, probably through the Loom of Fate||

[thick oyster]

Yeah just a gut feeling but I feel like he'll be 7.4

Ahh

So she could be wrong

[worldly rain]

Hardly
||Irminsul was also connected to nahida not like anything changed there
And fate is still just anchored using those not that these people can now suddenly control it
Even nahida says fate now has many new possibilities but she doesn't say what...because again it's not in their control||

[thick oyster]

She's just stupid and calling it the first flame

[frank wolf]

7.0. We always start with three characters in 7.0.

[thick oyster]

I mean she said HP made the Ley Lines
That was false

[thick oyster]

It's probably going to have that siren lady Linnea mentioned

And someone else

She might not know what's inside it

Idk it was in an Archon quest

Yes
Also the bird boy in the trailer will be one

What did she say then

Nah he looks like a 4 star
The Aino or Kachina of Snezhnaya

That doesn't mean she knows what the gnosis is

Just that it has pyro in it

Not if bird boy buffs Superconduct

All she knows it has pyro power in it

Hm

[worldly rain]

Sure but ||didn't show much about it so complain about zero consequences remains||

[wild marsh]

i mean... not really. Kachina was just a scroll holder. Lynette was even less than that.

[thick oyster]

No the element energy in it can't be spent

[wild marsh]

||can someone explain the tomato conversation to me pls. I feel like it's relevant, but if there's an actual reference I missed to it, idk. but it felt so fucking random.||

[thick oyster]

It's a descender's power

And the power imbued into it

Saarelainen's power

[wild marsh]

idk, Nahida literally directly says "tomatoes". granted I wasn't playing in CN, but Korean.

[thick oyster]

Capitano would still want it for The Tsaritsa

Depends

Possibly

Ew

Not Dottore

Capitano is in the Ley Lines waiting for his chance

He burned

And the segments wouldn't let him escape anyways

He can alter the rules of Celestia like what he did to the Ley Lines in Natlan.

And the Abyss Order was also near it
Since Khaenri'ah is right by Irminsul

The Abyss Order has a deal with Yohualtecuhtin

Yes
But it will be explained soon no doubt
In the 6.7 Dainsleif quest that's totally happening

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[worldly rain]

Cap just connected the night kingdom with rest of Irminsul
Kinda like made a bridge in between so that souls in natlan can pass again that's why anytime natlan person leaves natlan now they are directly recorded to Irminsul now

[thick oyster]

Pantalone doesn't care

[wild marsh]

thanks.

[thick oyster]

He was there to help Dottore and that's it

[wild marsh]

i hope I didn't miss anything and im not overthinking. If there was some random reference I missed that this is about, it would be so dumb.

[thick oyster]

Pantalone wouldn't be able to access it

He left after Dottore disintegrated

[worldly rain]

Only ||sumeru and not like natlan was special everyone else was also blocked too||
Leylines exist all over btw

[thick oyster]

To get away from Sumeru
Cause he was kinda wanted

[wild marsh]

we really should be tagging this btw but ||he just said goodbye to Zandik, we don't know where he is or where he went. We can't really claim anything about what he's done after that point.||

[thick oyster]

Money
That's his specialty

[thick oyster]

||He said goodbye which suggests that he was leaving and not coming back||

[wild marsh]

forward facing, yes

[worldly rain]

His specialty is ||smoking 100 cigs a day||

[thick oyster]

||He's also potentially the 4th Reed Miller||

[wild marsh]

||according to Scara, his speciality is obfuscation.||

[thick oyster]

Well he's potentially ||Reed Miller||

||And Zandik was in Irminsul where The Gnosis was
So Pantalone was also leaving Irminsul||