・lore-basement

[ebon iris]

this is so sad

[thick oyster]

They genuinely think it's gonna fix their sales I'm crying bruh 🥀

[brave marten]

that's the charm

[thick oyster]

I like Banyue too

And Billy

[vivid wasp]

Also I don't want him to be important in Mare Jivari's backstory
Which is petty but like he ruins all the theories I have so i don't like him for that also

[thick oyster]

Sunbringer got run over by a truck 💔

[brave marten]

they don't need to, just make every ancient legendary void hunter have bare breasts and wear no pants and they'll make billions

[ebon iris]

you know what would fix their sales? old sunbringer design

[brave marten]

bro it's Enjou 😭 😭 💔

[thick oyster]

Nah ZZZ is legit the worst out of the bigg three Hoyo games rn

In sales I mean

[brave marten]

it is but ZZZ attracts more of that type of faks

fans

they LIKE that shit

[ebon iris]

LMFAO WAIT

IS THIS FR

[thick oyster]

This gotta be a meme bro 😭

[brave marten]

wrap it up Tsaritsa is gonna wear a towel

[ebon iris]

okay thank god

its a meme

cause i unironically think some character designers would be petty like that

[thick oyster]

The naked Lyacon release would give trillions

[vivid wasp]

Anyways, since we are talking about character designs, if you want to see peak female character designs that are actually scary you guys should all play Look Outside
It's a peak horror game and I will forever glaze its character designs

[brave marten]

look outside?

[ebon iris]

i think enjou has a good character design :)

[brave marten]

oh that one

[thick oyster]

That's how she got so strong
Imagine carrying those fucking tons on you 24/7

[brave marten]

let's not kid ourselves now

[thick oyster]

Lies of P has a lot of good female character designs too

[queen prawn]

Old design make no sense

[ebon iris]

he wears glasses thats always a plus one for me

[queen prawn]

She is no longer a CEO or care that much about humanity

[brave marten]

how

[brave marten]

reminds me I still haven't played that shit

have a lot of shit play man

[thick oyster]

I'm playing it rn
It's pretty damn good

Hard though but I'm on the hardest difficulty

[brave marten]

so I've heard

[brave marten]

yeah expected it's a soulslike after all

[vivid wasp]

I meant more as in monstrous designs
Because we were talkong about Ronova would have looked better if she were scarier looking

[brave marten]

just my type

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know
I just wanted to mention Lies of P

[brave marten]

designs look cool but I don't play horror games sadly

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/vicar-amelia-gif-22463735

[queen prawn]

Shade are just Moon Sister,no reason for them to look like eldritch horror

[thick oyster]

They're literally created by an evil alien from space bro

They got inspired by Lady Maria to make Arlecchino and just immediately went back to making bullshit

[vivid wasp]

Though Look Outside isn't like
Conventionally attractive monsters
One of the female playable characters is literally just a vending machine

[queen prawn]

The said alien love human so much though

[thick oyster]

They're a robot

Yeah Clorinde is aight

[brave marten]

amgelus u played dark souls one right

[thick oyster]

Mhm

[ebon iris]

rhinedottir should unleash orphan of kos on albedo

[brave marten]

seeing this convo I'm suddenly reminded of THAT daughter of Gwyn

[ebon iris]

just for shits and giggles

[queen prawn]

If they are Twin AI then yeah,same thing,they love humanoid design

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know what you mean

But like...idk man it was done classier

[brave marten]

I know

it's just

funny back then

[thick oyster]

Miyazaki actually didn't like the design but the guy who made it was so proud of it he couldn't deny it 😭

I'm not complaining btw

It's a good design

[brave marten]

rare Miyazaki L 😭

that design good as hell

[thick oyster]

She is a literal Goddess of fertility

[brave marten]

wait u played dark souls?

[thick oyster]

Gwynyvere

Not Gwyndolin

[brave marten]

also I think she was an illusion back then

[thick oyster]

Yeah Gwyndolin is the only one worth pursuing

[brave marten]

you guys remember their names?

😭

[thick oyster]

Yes designed by her brother

[thick oyster]

My brain is fucked dawg 💔

[brave marten]

wish my brain was fucked like yours

my brain is fucked in that I don't remember shit

💔

[vivid wasp]

You could also watch a gameplay of it idk
But I promise the $20 dollars is worth it though the game is huge

[thick oyster]

I don't remember random shit too

[brave marten]

ok nah Sekiro me too

bro I'm the Sekiro expert

I finished thay game 10 times

[thick oyster]

I just got 100 percent on that game

[brave marten]

what

[thick oyster]

Damn its good

[brave marten]

fym 70 times

[brave marten]

it's genuinely my fav fromsoft game

the combat is unique as hell

[thick oyster]

It's in my top 3 easily

Just got the art book for it too

[brave marten]

hold on

two runs per day?

you finished it twice per day?

how the fuck is that possible

just pirate it

🥀

[thick oyster]

If we wanna talk horror designs there's also Fear And Hunger

[brave marten]

well play it then buy itnlater

[brave marten]

PEAK MENTIONED

[vivid wasp]

FUNGER MENTIONED (I know nothing about it)

[thick oyster]

I wanna get it eventually 😭

[vivid wasp]

I just know its compared to Look Outside

But uhh
Without the SA stuff

I wanna get into it but that stuff makes me uncomfortable so...

[thick oyster]

She's good but I love Legarde's design the most

Even if he's just brunette Griffith

[vivid wasp]

(Yes I know there's a mod that censors it but I just don't like it regardless)

[thick oyster]

Yeah that part is a little extreme

[vivid wasp]

Bruj

You don't know

I feel like that's what the game is popular for

[thick oyster]

Yeah a lot of SA
Like the random troll guys who are the main enemy do....things to your character if you lose

[vivid wasp]

Also some enemies have their weewees just hanging out

[brave marten]

don't remind me 🥀

[thick oyster]

Nah man it's alright
Even Guts almost drooled over him even AFTER the eclipse

[ebon iris]

DID I HEAR FUNGER

oh and berserk posting hi

[vivid wasp]

Man
If you guys like Funger you should really play Look Outside I'm so serious
If you don't play it just watch a youtube playthrough of it
I need more people to talk about it to 😭 😭

[thick oyster]

There's an enemy whose armor you have to rip off to kill
And yes, he also has a weewee when you break off his pants

[brave marten]

I honestly couldn't go through it myself I watched my friend play it irl while I was over his house, not that SA makes me uncomfortable but I'm not a horror fan and especially that kind of depricating games

[thick oyster]

It's on my wishlist

[vivid wasp]

Thank you 🙏

It won't dissappoint I promise lol

[thick oyster]

Yeah I've seen a lot of gameplay of it

[ebon iris]

everyone mentions the enemise and themes and story but no one mentions how unfuckingforgiving this game is with its 50 50 coin toss

actual RUN KILLER

[thick oyster]

Yeah it's just too much after a certain point
Like I get what they were going for

[thick oyster]

I fucking hate RNG so much it triggers some kind of primal beast in me

[vivid wasp]

Oh yeah that's another reason I have trouble getting into the game
The difficulty of it

[brave marten]

what did you expect going into balatro...

[ebon iris]

bro balatro is THE rng gambling game

[thick oyster]

I dropped Dead Cells because of it
Though I beat the game several times

[ebon iris]

uits suppposed to be

anyways

hroptatyr would play balatro

[thick oyster]

Pierro would too

[ebon iris]

everyone thinks he plays chess

no he likes to fuck around in balatro

[thick oyster]

Cause clowns

[vivid wasp]

That reminds me
There's literally a character named Pierre in Look Outside
And he's a Clown

[brave marten]

wonder what he's inspired from...

[vivid wasp]

Its not genshin lol but I just found it to be a coincidence

[brave marten]

i didn't say it's genshin 😭

[vivid wasp]

Oh lmao Im stupid

[brave marten]

I'm just implying it's inspired from the same stuff Pierro is inspired from

[thick oyster]

Just wait for Snezhnaya brochacho

[brave marten]

brother

the biggest vagueposter in all genshin is Zhongli

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joestar-fence-get-in-the-car-we're-leaving-this-town-now-impossible-gif-5110312093655302878

It was a jeep to be fair

[brave marten]

I hope Netflix' ceo explodes

[thick oyster]

"How big was the gyatt Dainsleif?"

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-angry-mad-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-gif-17424729

[thick oyster]

I wish all CEOs exploded

[brave marten]

specifically netflix

[vivid wasp]

Especially Da Wwi

[brave marten]

and Da Wei yeah

just for his brother Duo Wei to take over and be worse

😹

laugh

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-joestar-jjba-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-anime-sbr-gif-6754214186532682702

[brave marten]

you can laugh

thank you

[thick oyster]

hahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

[brave marten]

thank you

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-thank-you-very-much-thank-you-so-very-much-gif-10868467526581774227

[thick oyster]

ha.

[thick oyster]

Welcome

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-laugh-holding-laugh-holding-laughter-red-cheeks-red-face-gif-11269644976651033483

[brave marten]

I'm a day one Signora fan and I still can't believe there are people who still think she's coming back

[vivid wasp]

If you laugh Huitzilopochtli activates

[brave marten]

genuinely met another Signora fan who was convinced she's coming back and NOT Capitano

😭 🙏

[vivid wasp]

Or whatever is the name of the dragon nuke thing in the Natlan wq
I forgot if its Huitzilopochtli

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-bruh-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-higuruma-hiromi-gif-6772381213627884903

[brave marten]

I admire the fact you guys remember how to mostly write those names

[vivid wasp]

I constantly do research on like Aztec and Mayan stuff so my phone memorizes it

[thick oyster]

I.E. Satan's greatest clowns

[brave marten]

fairs

whenever I don't remember a name

I just search "genshin" and add a the first two letters of the name to get the rest

and copy paste it

nah

it's the moth

constellation

and uh

Mare Jivari bullshit

[thick oyster]

Character that has literally 0 connection to Natlan btw

[brave marten]

I hope a day comes when they finally accept she isn't coming back

[thick oyster]

Now she's made out of ash

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-raiden-shogun-baal-ei-la-signora-gif-22918739

[thick oyster]

Like that'll ever happen

[brave marten]

is it me or do Raiden thighs look thicker here

[thick oyster]

No comment

[brave marten]

💔

[thick oyster]

Damn

Can't beat that

[vivid wasp]

I don't think Rosalyne is coming back but I do feel like someone will take Signora's title idk
Assuming the Fatui don't disband after the Snezhnaya arc

[brave marten]

I DIDN'T EVEN MEAN TO LOOK THERE

[ebon iris]

okay man

[thick oyster]

They won't
Unless they change Tartaglia and Arle's character descriptions

[ebon iris]

sure bro

[brave marten]

I believe it's staying empty, traveler is the 10th

[thick oyster]

Yeah Traveler definitely joining the Fatui

[vivid wasp]

Yeah that's fair

[vivid wasp]

More Traveler glaze yippie

[brave marten]

lord Dottore believe me I have never looked at anyone other than you

[thick oyster]

They'll still need a five star save them

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-the-deep-noir-phone-black-noir-gif-11860435107178861864

[thick oyster]

Or at least I fucking hope

[brave marten]

ts would send me into a coma back in Fontaine

[thick oyster]

It would mean the Fatui are going to win
So I can accept it

[vivid wasp]

How so
I mean, what's wrong with someone taking Signora's spot
Like, assuming Capitano will also be revived

[thick oyster]

Cause they have plot armor now

[thick oyster]

I mean it's possible

[brave marten]

real 😭

[brave marten]

the traveler genuinely puts the Fatui in aura debt

[vivid wasp]

They've been without aura since Capitano died

[ebon iris]

nothing ever happens

[brave marten]

I disagree with that

[thick oyster]

They need someone to replace the cutesy short boy after Scaramouche got erased

[brave marten]

PULCINELLA

[thick oyster]

Ignoring Pulcinella of course

[brave marten]

HOYOOOOO MAKE PULCINELLA PLAYABLE AND MY LIFE WILL BE YOURS

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[vivid wasp]

Pulcinella is the only Harbringer I care about aside from Capitano
The rest can rot
I hate all of them

[brave marten]

keep the moustache and the big nose and his height ofc

[thick oyster]

||He got some possible lore crumbs in the new artifacts||

[brave marten]

WHAT

[vivid wasp]

Explain

[thick oyster]

He flees like a bitch five seconds after this

[brave marten]

fuck you want him to do 💔

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[thick oyster]

||It talks about the first mayor of Snezhnaya who was also a Hexenzirkel member Ivanova her name was I believe. The new artifacts talk about her mentoring a "Domovoy" fae who in folklore manifest as little old men. Pulcinella is a little old man and the current mayor of Snezhnaya, so there is a pretty obvious connection there||

[thick oyster]

Use his supposedly God like powers to win?

[brave marten]

he was being bitch slapped by the moon marrows because Columbina ran away

[thick oyster]

Sure

[thick oyster]

His stink was so awful even two dead people couldn't handle it

[vivid wasp]

||Goddamn is everyone in Snezhnaya a fucking fae at this point||

[brave marten]

ohhhh that makes sense

[thick oyster]

I mean like....kinda yeah

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26541685

[thick oyster]

Two dead gods

[thick oyster]

They're a pretty major part of the lore lol

[brave marten]

are you talking about the 3rd descender stuff

[thick oyster]

No just Snezhnaya in general

[vivid wasp]

I'm really not caught up in their lore so I wouldn't know I guess

[thick oyster]

Fae are a big part of Snezhnaya's lore

[brave marten]

fair enoigh

enough

[queen prawn]

Fae were big political figures of Snez

[thick oyster]

Essentially they were the ruling aristocrats for all of the first Archon's reign and when Tsaritsa took power she essentially revoked all their power so now humans and fae are equal

[vivid wasp]

Oh ok
Does that tie into Natlan in any shape or form

[thick oyster]

So the Fae are only aristocrats in title now but lack any political power
Except for Pulcinella though probably, assuming he's a fae

[brave marten]

that's why Flins is salty

[thick oyster]

Uhhh they were made from dragon corpses

Dragons were in Natlan

[vivid wasp]

Damn
Well I don't have reason to care then

[thick oyster]

Damn 😭

[brave marten]

they took your favs dead bodies and used them to make Faes

[thick oyster]

He also missed his pookie Tsar

[vivid wasp]

Who's my fav in question
I don't like the Dragons either brosku

[ebon iris]

i will not care about fae except potentially pulcinella until we get a borderline men of lithin bit

[queen prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-in-13-seconds-slide-in-meme-funny-true-gif-2616800489741375308

"They were made from Mare Jivari creatures"

[thick oyster]

Flins?

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-flins-genshin-flins-gi-flins-gif-6049720694875468975

[brave marten]

what do you like 💔

[ebon iris]

dont care about him bro is intentionally slumming it out of snezhnaya for some apparent reason

[brave marten]

fuck him

[thick oyster]

He's helping people

[vivid wasp]

Mare Jivari
Tsurumi Island
Mu-Natlans
Name in the Pyro Gemstone Description
Lunar Palace/Golden Hall
That's about it

[queen prawn]

Wild Hunt

[thick oyster]

He's just a silly little guy

[brave marten]

not that way

[brave marten]

Tsurumi island

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[vivid wasp]

Please stop laughing at my suffering

[brave marten]

sorry.

[thick oyster]

Enjou mentioned it in 5.8

That's something

[brave marten]

I'm still going to laugh

[vivid wasp]

Well he mentioned the Thunderbird civilization
That's not the one I wanna know about

[thick oyster]

Damn

[brave marten]

15 minutes until nothing happens

14*

you guys should play zero escape

[vivid wasp]

I'm gonna go to sleep now
Bye bye

[brave marten]

goodnight jen

🥀

[thick oyster]

Dude I have an essay due in ten minutes
Should probably finish that now

[brave marten]

just in time for the trailer

(there won't be)

[brave marten]

apparently not

[worldly rain]

For what?

[ebon iris]

Dottore pv totalyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[patent cloud]

there is something wrong with bro

he could be a segment

wasnt newest teaser saying lohen betrayed us

and was working for dottore

and we see his dagger coated in green poison

and that varka wanted to get rid of the last poison from mond

a lot of sus stuff

[thick oyster]

||His spear talks about Imunlaukyr so yeah he's probably an Imunlaukyr clan member||

[patent cloud]

maby

[queen prawn]

It all start in Mondstatd

Dottore ancestor might be in some random ass clan in Mondtsatd we never heard of

He is part of Cyno family tree

[thick oyster]

I told you my theory that I think he has Deshet's ba fragments right?

I have an old google doc with the fully theory but it's a little outdated

No.

They're a concept from Egyptian mythology

Yeah cause he has his ba fragments

No, Egyptians believed the soul had many pieces to it

That's Capitano's thing

I'll DM it to you

[queen prawn]

I'd rather Aihaitham being his fragment

The gang having cyno and tighnari kind of support that

[thick oyster]

They only have a vaguely similar name

Pierro is also that role

Plus Dottore leeches off divine power all the time sooo

He wants himself to surpass divnity

[queen prawn]

Dottore is all about breaking the limit of the world(for humanity and himself)
Capitano is all about justice imo.
Pierro is probably just revenge tbh

Feel like it was a missed opportunity for Dottore,a deal with lunar chariot or something is pretty good

Not even a deal,he just need to answer some question

[thick oyster]

Yeah but Dottore still wants to be on top of it all

Because he wanted to be him

No it wasn't.

Bro his boss theme literally has Dottore state that he ALONE will ascend and the world is his 😭

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-1909588309234094885

No for himself to beat Phanes

No it's his own "treatises" on what he plans to do as God

No it's his own song of worship

[thick oyster]

Like skirk's sword

More Fatui and Hyperborea connections

[vivid wasp]

Something has just dawned on me
Is it possible that Jeht appearing in the next AQ might just be a flashback to the WQ?
Because like, Liloupar will also appear
But what if the player did the quest where she leaves/"dies"

[queen prawn]

Well that is the thing,she never truly died

Liloupar leaves to reunite with her children in Gurabad. She claims to feel no guilt for her past actions, but also states that it's her responsibility to face the Abyssal power she once set upon the city.

She most likely succeeded ?

Or Traveler bring her back

[vivid wasp]

Hmm...

We'll have to see ig

[vivid wasp]

Yeah I know that

Did I? I don't remember lol.

[queen prawn]

People already discovered it few hours after the stream

And I refuse to believe it is the same tree,it cant be in the open world

[worldly rain]

Sumeru has irminsul it has khanerriah
Next you'll tell me it has moon as well...

Wonder when we'll open the gates

[thick oyster]

It has Thoth who is a Moon Envoy

[river valve]

Every region probably had one

[lilac coral]

i want to see what everyone's guess is with this

where do you all think the new dottore boss' domain entrance will be?

it seems we'll be returning to sumeru for it, but i'm wondering where the domain will be

since the first domain was in that secret hideout in northern nod krai

my guess is either around mt. damavand or somewhere in a "basement/attic" to the library like when we did that one quest

because the option to use the elevator doesn't work and hasn't worked iirc

nvm it does i'm stupid

i may be remembering the earlier quests where the option was there but it wouldn't let you do anything

does anyone remember the dottore boss arena leak from back in 3.0 that was basically just a paper sketch and looked almost identical to the current one from nod krai? i'm trying to find it and i feel like i'm going crazy because all i'm getting is the leak of the new boss, the previous boss, and the OG sumeru city tree buildings leak 😭

[vivid wasp]

I think I remember what you're talking about?
Like, something about the boss Arena that was idk on top of the Sumeru tree or inside it..?

[thick oyster]

Probably where the ||New Irminsul will be||

[brave marten]

im pretty certain that was Scaramouche's boss arena rather than Dottore

an early version of it

[vivid wasp]

||new Irminsul?||

[thick oyster]

||Yeah Nahida is growing a second one||

[vivid wasp]

||oh||

[lilac coral]

Yeah, but I can't fucking find it for the life of me 😭

And I remember everyone saying it'd be above the tree

So I was gonna cross reference it with the official one we'd gotten

[lilac coral]

Maybe? I distinctly remember it being dottore though because it was leaked in 3.0 when all we knew was dottore was there and we hadn't seen scaramouche yet iirc

Or maybe it was scara and I'm just old and confused again

[brave marten]

nah I am pretty certain it was not Dottore

[lilac coral]

Maybe

I'd be happier if I could fucking find it though instead of confusing it

[brave marten]

I'll try looking for it I'm sure it was posted in the subreddit

[lilac coral]

Thank you

[queen prawn]

I wonder if we will use the Silver Twig in our inventory and then the other quest item

We could use signora mask and bring her back to life,not a fan of her but if the fatui wheel theory is true then she is playable eventually

We also did gave Columbina the same quest item she gave us too

But we still get to keep it in our inventory

[lilac coral]

I'm assuming those items will either never be used (a trinket/prize for completing something you can always look back on) or they'll be used as an endgame item

Because we don't use like 99% of the items in the quest item tab

[vivid wasp]

Yeah I'm with Kc on this, I don't think they'll be important

[lilac coral]

Yee

I think of them as trophies, since they're 5* items

And like I said, 99% of the stuff that goes into the quest items tab never gets removed from it

Oh my god I just saw a comment from someone 😭

Is this the first region patch where we didn't get a single dain quest??

Because after this coming version should be the summer event and then snezhnaya

And I can't think of them putting the summer event and the dain interlude into one, right?

[lilac coral]

It'd just feel weird
Even if the summer event area was permanent like natlan's resort, it'd feel weird to have a dain quest within/beside it since they're generally meant to be all lax and nothing else tends to be coupled with them because it's the last patch before the new region- they're also the only event that lasts pretty much the entire patch instead of the usual 3 weeks for flagship events to give players time to work through the entire thing (until last year, before it's gone forever)

Unless they decide to change it up

But I didn't even realize we didn't have a dain quest

[brave marten]

brother 6.7 is going to be Snezhnaya's prologue

[queen prawn]

No dain quest because he appear in the AQ

[brave marten]

there won't be a Dain quest

treat 6.0 and 6.1 as the yearly Dain appearance

so uh

a Dottore pv today right

we aren't getting shit bro

[lilac coral]

Shit you're so right, I completely forgot he was even part of the quest because he disappeared for 80% of it 😭

I only remembered the chess board

And his dialogue as a hidden off-screen character/replaced with a talking sword when speaking with rerir

But I guess I could count that as the nod krai dain quest, even if it wasn't dain-centric until the end

[worldly rain]

Nod krai did start the trend of using character quest in main story so might as well count yearly dain appearance here

[thick oyster]

Nicole's teaser is out

https://youtu.be/HQuhLaFAsVU?si=s6re4h4Jf76TH_X-

Phanes is name dropped

Also called a he

[worldly rain]

Finally

@odd thicket I summon thee phanes is here

Also Nicole did the loop closing thing as well then? To keep her angle powers and her form?

Nvm it's loophole in rules not actual time loop

[brave marten]

I don't recognize the voice at 1:57 right after Nicole

any idea?

[thick oyster]

Uh I thought it was just someone random at first but they sound a little too important for that now
Idk if it's a man or a woman

So either Voyager or Koitar

[brave marten]

they're definitely someone important

[brave marten]

maybe

[worldly rain]

The one that said fate and world can be changed right?

[brave marten]

yes

[worldly rain]

Yeah sounded like barbie to me but I'm not sure she would be alive by then

Could be first angle

But the trailer premise is already after the war

[brave marten]

I don't think it's Barbie tbh, doesn't sound like her 🤔

[worldly rain]

So might not be her

[brave marten]

need to hear Barbie talk again to make sure

do they usually credit the voice actors and their characters in these character teasers?

[patent cloud]

What civilization is this

[thick oyster]

During the war

[thick oyster]

Hyperborea

[worldly rain]

@brave marten could it be andersdottore? I feel it sounded like her...

[patent cloud]

also was that phanes that we heard

the male voice

[brave marten]

andersotter? hmmm

she shouldn't be alive during that period

[thick oyster]

Son.

[thick oyster]

Don't think so

[worldly rain]

Could just be phanes tbh but why would they tell her that fate can be broken

[patent cloud]

who dis

[brave marten]

yeah it can't be him

we'll have to wait for Koitar or Voyager first voice reveal

to be sure

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/higurama-son-what-is-bro-talking-about-son-we-are-cooked-higurama-we-are-cooked-jjk-son-gif-3762192617974067107

[patent cloud]

hoyo, don't

dont u fucking dare

[worldly rain]

Yeah it's a toss between first angle and voyager

[brave marten]

I'm leaning towards the voyager tbh

[patent cloud]

true

[brave marten]

daughter.

[worldly rain]

Yes because angles are already being punished here we can see the falling halo in background

[brave marten]

yeah and it's the voyager who convinced the first angel of such things

@odd thicket did u watch it

[worldly rain]

Also now I'm curious about this loophole Nicole created to keep her powers and wisdom in exchange for her voice
Like why would phanes agree to that? What's the loophole here...

[patent cloud]

can't speak, love equally

[brave marten]

don't think Phanes would ever agree to a loophole

[worldly rain]

Ok the voice does have both male and female voices mixed in sort of so yeah big hints to that

[brave marten]

Nicole herself or with the help of someone found the loophole

[lilac coral]

What's happening

[brave marten]

but it should be elaborated on even further when Nicole drops

[patent cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQuhLaFAsVU

[brave marten]

Phanes design reveal

[lilac coral]

OOOOH

Thank you

I just got out of the shower

Didn't even think to check their channel

[patent cloud]

nicole is also a server technician for irminsul btw
so she might be able to see the server rules for angels and could have been able to design the loophole that way?

[worldly rain]

Boar princess only told that some angle made a deal where they sacrificed their precious thing
But yeah we don't know how that scale really works or who controla that

My bet is on istaroth
If you don't know anything always bet on her

[brave marten]

Istaroth going for a home run helping angels during the rebellion 🥀

[brave marten]

🤔

[worldly rain]

She did for zibai she definitely is behind all this commotion

She's got a plan

[patent cloud]

tldr she hacked the server and coded a loophole for herself

[brave marten]

yeah I like it

but how

[patent cloud]

cuz shes op

[brave marten]

especially with emphasis

on "the world"

"the world" card has the Irminsul on it

[patent cloud]

shes literally op
we see her handle vast amounts of knowledge in almost every conversation

cuz it's her primary job

she'd be able to read the rules and be like oh, i can just do this instead while abiding by them

[lilac coral]

God I love that they're leaning into all of these various animation styles

[patent cloud]

yeah that animation was amazing

[lilac coral]

She really is an old style Disney character

[patent cloud]

[brave marten]

well

@thick oyster this was a better teaser than I anticipated

[thick oyster]

Yeah it was pretty good

Well animated too

Also Nicole being pro HP was crushed lol

[brave marten]

yeah but I told you earlier I'm betting it's gonna be a Hexenzirkel party

I'm glad I'm wrong

[brave marten]

yeah I'm surprised as well

[lilac coral]

Also oh my god it's pronounced "fay-neez" this whole time and not "fayns"?? 😭

[thick oyster]

I wasn't
There's no way she'd be pro Celestia

[lilac coral]

I mean it makes sense in hindsight

But I've spent the last 4 years reading it as one syllable

[worldly rain]

Unified civilization motif turns out it's just window design

[patent cloud]

nicole op

[brave marten]

how does it make sense

[brave marten]

why were you so sure

[lilac coral]

Wait they said its name in Livestream?

[thick oyster]

Cause we know she was with Hyperborea

Also she's friends with Rhinedottir

[lilac coral]

The recent one?

[brave marten]

ehh

[worldly rain]

Phanes being denied as all knowing and all powerful
Remember it that's going to be central to lore

[brave marten]

yes

[thick oyster]

That could be Koitar

[patent cloud]

"""""friends"""""

[thick oyster]

Yep

The demiurge

[patent cloud]

rhinedodoco, most powerful evil being in the universe

[thick oyster]

Alice forces them on corporate team building exercises

[brave marten]

more like they clean up after Rhinedottir's bullshit

[patent cloud]

live pov of rhinedottir finding out her children murdered 40000 people in 2 days

[worldly rain]

Didn't vindagnyr got destroyed during war of vengeance?
So this is happening during that no?
And we can see angle are in process of being punished in the background...
Nicole also talking about being punished for ONE mishap...that's rebellion

So basically this confirms rebellion and war is happening in parallel?
Did I cook?

[thick oyster]

The silly one

[thick oyster]

It got nailed

[worldly rain]

And better yet that voice we heard that told Nicole sounds like it could be voyager

[thick oyster]

Also yeah the rebellion was in parallel with the war

No she states she was in Hyperborea

The wiki has the source

Just check on her page

[worldly rain]

Yeah because angle got punished for rebellion and here we see aftereffect of war
Two parallel event basically

And now I'm sure that they're also related
The hymns of far north that talked about verse that summoned plague aka nibelung is real @odd thicket

Voyager being the one who told fate can be changed is also now likely

The sound was very feminine male voice
Would fit Voyager

[thick oyster]

Idk this is what the wiki says

[worldly rain]

Not confirmed actually
But very likely now

[patent cloud]

nibelung returning cuz of rebellion maby?
or rebellion because of nibelung's return?

[worldly rain]

The only real confirmation we needed was timeline of war and rebellion and we just got that they are parallel event

[patent cloud]

ya

sal vindagnyr apparently got nailed right before angels got smote

[worldly rain]

Voyager no way it's anyone else

[thick oyster]

My guy there are over a hundred seelies in game

[patent cloud]

dude every frame with nicole in it is ethereal

[worldly rain]

Lesser angle definitely got the short end of the stick where they devolved to selee
While high rank ones like nabu and Nicole had enough power to maintain their form

[thick oyster]

Possibly

I don't think there were lesser angels

Koitar was the only "first angel"

[worldly rain]

Ok so according to wolfy all angels were placed upon scales and each got their own thing to sacrifice
Depending on what they chose they got their outcome?

Nicole somehow found the loophole here

[thick oyster]

I mean the dragons in their prime were also equal to Gods

[thick oyster]

She became a human

Yeah

But you know what I mean

The OG Sovereign was probably corrupted and weakened by the Abyss

As a parallel to Dvalin

[worldly rain]

"It is said that the Boar Tribe were once all wild boars, but the boars did bad things, so the master wanted to punish them.
The master took out a rusted set of scales, and told the boars to stack their own things on both sides. If the scales tipped to one side, they could leave.
But the scales were so rusty that putting just a small amount of weight was not enough to move them.

Those boars who placed their heads on the scales became wolves, lizards, and snakes, leaving only their strength. Those who offered their muscles became rabbits, leaping three paces to a bound, instinctively guiding people to treasure.

But there was one boar who placed things evenly on both sides, until the rusted scale broke right down the middle...
And so she became a mute person — for she had placed her voice upon the scales as well.
She is also a friend of Madame Mage, and I hear she likes to speak in people's heads!

Every angel did it basically

[thick oyster]

Ain't nobody liked Phanes I'm crying

Hope Dvalin becomes playable one day
I already have a human design in mind for him for when I learn to draw

It's unlikely though

They survived through not loving anyone

Except Zibai

She had moon powers

[worldly rain]

Zibai was saved by istaroth otherwise she would've perished under the nail
Nabu left we don't know what she sacrificed
Yohul most likely made a deal with ronova
Sybilla too we don't know what she sacrificed

[thick oyster]

No she had them prior
When she became an Envoy with a Moon Wheel

We know the curse is brought on by loving people specifically though

I don't think so

[worldly rain]

Also those 4 are the only one who first angle had prophecy of

[thick oyster]

They were regular seelie

[worldly rain]

Probably were needed for fate

[thick oyster]

That's a metaphor not literal

She mentioned them because she saw their fates that they would survive

They aren't abyssal

Not necessarily

[worldly rain]

They weren't literal koitar big 4
She just mentioned them cause she saw those 4 being part of major future in fate

She just used them as example to rouse the rebellions

Yeah and we already see they all 4 did have their importance

But that doesn't make them any different from others when it comes to powers and wisdom was the point I think @thick oyster made

[thick oyster]

Hm I misunderstood

[patent cloud]

definitely think this teaser is one of their most beautifully made tho

[thick oyster]

Still she was split into three pieces by Istaroth so maybe she's unique

No she didn't she just foresaw that they would survive

It's a metaphor for them betraying Celestia

[worldly rain]

Curse still exist none escaped that except nicole with the help of hex

[thick oyster]

She was talking to every angel then

[worldly rain]

No when Alice found her she was already mute

[thick oyster]

I think she was giving some grand speech to her whole people then

[patent cloud]

girlie straight up created the loophole herself
no magic needed?

shes even stronger than i thought

[worldly rain]

I'm talking about actual curse where if angel falls in love with humanity they go selee

[thick oyster]

We don't know how she became human just yet

Koitar probably

Helped her

[worldly rain]

Yes but hex helped her become human

[patent cloud]

we see her contemplate the idea in the teaser
way WAY before meeting alice

[thick oyster]

Not humanity
If they develop any personal love towards something

[worldly rain]

No

[patent cloud]

nicole is just op man

[thick oyster]

Her voice was the strings that came out of her mouth

[patent cloud]

she didnt need anyone else

not rhinedottir making a body for her, or alice's magic to create the loophole
she did it herself

fatui are chumps

and sinners are propped up by abyss

fatui didnt bring down the moon

they asked bina to bring down a chunk

and she did

that's literally it

it's extremely likely

[worldly rain]

Why is that angel are seen with golden threads motif when the same thread but white was used by Canon to spurn the wheel of fate...
Sounds like another shit Phanes stole...

[patent cloud]

a lot of things are gearing towards phanes maby not being such a nice guy

[worldly rain]

Phanes sounds like eddison while dragons telsa

[thick oyster]

Varka too is low-key just that guy.

[worldly rain]

The one that allows to see future paths
The one Aila used that was the blessings of frostmoon
It's her power

[patent cloud]

yo

[thick oyster]

They make a character this beautiful once in a blue moon and immediately go back to making bullshit 💔

[worldly rain]

Also the wheel of fortune sounds like Nibelung creation that was made to predict the arrival of abyss
Which would be very ironic because he brought it himself

And then phanes just usurped it and modified it to become "fate" where every future prediction was premeditated and fixed creating an eternity

[patent cloud]

why'd they brick her kit man

[thick oyster]

She ain't even that bad
She FREED us from Bennet's circle impact

He was weakened at the time canonically you know

Since he had Boreas' soul in him

[patent cloud]

it only took a literal divine being who has lived for 6000+ years to be a sidegrade to benny

[thick oyster]

Bennet is Nibelung's reincarnation duh

[patent cloud]

watch them make benny a hex / natlan hybrid unit

benny pov

[thick oyster]

If Bennet gets a Hex buff we're lowkey all doomed 💔

I have high graphics so
Cope and seethe

[worldly rain]

Yeah Canon had powers to govern the threads of fate
But later Phanes when he took over creates a predestined "fate" where ending is fixed aka prevent abyss from coming

While og threads of fate were just a door to future vision
"Fate" became an instrument to actually warp the reality and fix the paths to get the desires ending

[sly bison]

Give him night soul

[thick oyster]

Bennet with Scroll would be terrifying

[worldly rain]

Of course all things went to shit when rebelliom happen and war brought abyss anyway and that hasn't fixed ever since

[patent cloud]

benny when he gets a 5-star SP version of himself and nobody has powercrept his 4-star form yet

[thick oyster]

If I teleported a dog inside of Lebron's ribcage he would also probably be negatively impacted ngl

[worldly rain]

But yeah that's my major conclusion for now based on what Alice also told us in recent event about fate

[thick oyster]

I think the fate system is still completely flawed
Since from the description of it, literally any decision not taken makes more Abyss

[worldly rain]

Yeah

Hence the accusation that Phanes isn't all powerful and knowable

[patent cloud]

it definitely seems like it all culminated in:

1. voyager and koitar starting the rebellion
2. remaining dragon lords joined in
3. nibelung shows up, perhaps having been contacted by either the dragons on teyvat or voyager

all hell breaks loose

[worldly rain]

He made a mistake

One that still haunts him probably

[thick oyster]

I think that's what Khaenri'ah is
It became the "basin" for all the unfulfilled fates of Teyvat

[worldly rain]

Yup

[thick oyster]

Phanes

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleepy-sleepy-head-sleepy-eyes-tired-gif-8712823120313356825

They don't give af

Khaenri'ah is at the bottom of Irminsul too

Could be linked

Probably is

[worldly rain]

Like og fate showed you possibility
And you then fixed those probability into single outcome throwing rest to recycle bin

Well guess what Phanes that recycle bin has a name it's Khanerriah and they're back to get your ass

[thick oyster]

We don't know what the egg even is

[worldly rain]

Well I was joking but you get the point right

[thick oyster]

Well Irmin led the Sibling down to the Abyss

[worldly rain]

Also I think egg based on men of lithin lore is basically the mainframe from where they fix the og fate system

[thick oyster]

I think Dain was speaking metaphorically there

[worldly rain]

Egg is the source from where the paths are destroyed in favour of desired one

[thick oyster]

Yeah it's too vague rn

[worldly rain]

Basically a cpu if you will

[thick oyster]

But then why did it have the same face as Belyi?
Questions questions.

We know Irmin's "death" is what caused the Cataclysm

Since it caused the Abyss to explode out and the Sinners to be born

Then the Cataclysm would have begun then

Not after

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket I have another theory now
So "fate" throws every other future that's not desirable to bin and only favours one that it wants
Now remember tsar lore where when he went inside the egg he found the greatest challenge aka himself?
What if the other version of you are stored there you know and when you reach the egg you see all other possible version of yourself that "fate" kept aside...

[thick oyster]

Rukk died during the first Cataclysm

Rukkhadevata

[worldly rain]

Rukka is avatar of irminsul she didn't die but to prevent the tree from being corrupted she cut off one pure branch that wasn't corrupted aka nahida
And nahida finished the job

Only then she died

I'm still salty though we didn't get tall rukka playable model fuck you hoyo

[thick oyster]

We got three models for the Moon Sisters and not her 🥀

[worldly rain]

I'm glad nicole didn't release before they started fixing their models
Imagine her head being bigger than rest of the body

[thick oyster]

The medium boys suffered that the most

Scaramouche is still stuck with a bobble head after all these years 🥀

And they ain't ever giving him a skin bruh

[worldly rain]

Yeah 🥀

[thick oyster]

It's going to be fucking Mavuika I just know it 💔

First Archon to get a skin

[worldly rain]

give me her statue skin plz hoyo

[thick oyster]

They'll make an exception for her

Because she's Da Wei's self insert

An idealized self

[worldly rain]

not self insert but wife

[thick oyster]

Yeah you know what I mean

[worldly rain]

[worldly rain]

Hmm

[worldly rain]

So how did she do it?

If hex isn't involved here then who?

[queen prawn]

Did nicole lose her voice for name dropping Phanes

Also the fading celestia look so cool

Is it because it is teleporting away or something

Like mist

The rebel

[patent cloud]

wait
could that be the loophole

hm

[queen prawn]

If people cant namedrop the Shade,it makes sense for Phanes himself

[patent cloud]

well nicole's an angel

surely shes got higher privileges

[queen prawn]

Yeah I believe she can namedrop shade but not phanes

And since every angel we met so far have a unique job

So these angel would lose their job if they namedrop HP name

[worldly rain]

Based on my experience watching anime it's a man's voice but highly feminine
Usually for characters who's gender remains ambiguous

Yeah

[thick oyster]

Not as big of frauds as Lhanes'

[brave marten]

😭

[thick oyster]

Also I have a theory on the blanked out name in the pyro gem

I think she's asleep rn cause I already tried messaging her it lol

So I'll type it here first

It's pretty short but essentially we know that Irminsul is "hiding things" from Nahida as Dottore says iirc
Also spoilers for some leaks here but ||Apparently when Irminsul burns the information of Scaramouche and Rukkhadevata will be restored||
||So if burning Irminsul reveals information previously redacted, then that means the redacted name of the pyro gem will finally be revealed next patch||

Only Goatbelung was standing on business

[worldly rain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1tcp9zy/nicole_teaser_has_quotes_from_10_artifact_lore/

cool little detail there

see how the black figure here is wielding a sword?

a golden sword at that...

i mean i don't care what they think the painting shows it
besides it's likely voyager and first angel here

another contrast is that voyager is shown as black figure while angel as white
which contrast with abyss and light...

surely it's not coincidence...

[thick oyster]

I think that's because Voyager was in a mortal body while Koitar was divine

[worldly rain]

yeah could be

[thick oyster]

How Hoyoverse feels saying that The Primordial One "may have been named Phanes" only to reveal that their name was in fact just Phanes

[worldly rain]

Also i like the irony shown in the trailer the one person who finally spoke Phanes name is only after she gave up her voice
as if it finally allowed her to cross the taboo of not speaking his name

[thick oyster]

It's her realizing that her God is far from infallible, so saying their name was almost an act of rebellion

At least that was my understanding

[worldly rain]

"may have been phanes" was author of BSAM trying to bypass the censor and it still got flagged poor guy

[thick oyster]

Another "Paimon is a fraction of Phanes" theory thrown onto the pile

[worldly rain]

that too but also it being spoken ony after she lost her voice also hints at the loophole she deviced

[thick oyster]

Like shoving asterisks into your swear words and still getting banned

[worldly rain]

yeah lol
hymns guy was smart

[thick oyster]

I know

I'm just saying that it's a popular theory lol

[worldly rain]

paimon is more likely to be related to asmoday i feel
the latest wq where the hell didn't even pull her was sus and no I'm not satisfied with the joke answer given by game

[thick oyster]

That was probably because she was Celestial in general

[worldly rain]

we all know by this point asmoday can't feel human emotion and is trying to do something here by following us

maybe paimon is her other self that will have that emotion awoken inside

not realy if she did it after leaving which is very much possible

i was thinking more of same souls split into two basically ineffa case

[thick oyster]

I just find it kind of annoying to speculate on Paimon since we know jack shit about her

She's the true vaguepost queen

Understandable from her POV

Since all she would know is the Traveler's story

[worldly rain]

genshin takes inspiration but also twists it for own lore
i don't want to associate irl characteristics 1:1
fatui has already proven they don't do it like that

[thick oyster]

What does Istoria even say about her?

[worldly rain]

asmoday has been shown to follow us 2 times now surely for naught me thinks

paimon could just be like vessel to be consumed by her or an experiment or soemthing

[thick oyster]

She's hiding in the bushes stalking us

[worldly rain]

she has emotions she just doesn't understand human ones

aka irrationality

[thick oyster]

Yeah
Everyone in the Temple was forced to get rid of their emotions so I don't think any of them would truly "hate" her

[worldly rain]

humanity irrationality is what made them rebel after all
because from rational pov everything was perfect why rebel?...

that's the pov she wants to understand

[thick oyster]

Well everything wasn't perfect
Not truly at least

[worldly rain]

probably something abyss twin said to her in the cage that made her curious but that doesn't mean she didn't have any emotion

[thick oyster]

Istaroth don't give af
Ronova yeah is weird but she was only there to kill Mavuika

[worldly rain]

yes of course

[thick oyster]

That's because Capitano intruded in on the deal

And Yohual facilitated it

Not really

She wasn't offering herself as a sacrifice

Traveler is a literal descender and Ronova didn't remark on it

In a manner of speaking
But it's also a metaphor for the traveler and the Abyss Sibling

[worldly rain]

as i said before natlan mq was written before they decided to fix the lore and mq story disparity

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-keikaku-dori-keikaku-dori-death-gif-19559967

I know

[thick oyster]

But Istaroth isn't actively looking for Asmoday
at least not seemingly

[worldly rain]

it's the order vs freedom scenerio
the former doesn't understand latter
why give up paradise? basically

[thick oyster]

So would the Sibling be a parallel to Raum's "husband" in this case?

Or fiance I mean

Yeah but it's what inspired her journey

[worldly rain]

and sibling leaving the cage (after whatever he said to her) inspired her to leave as well so most likely yes it's a parallel

[thick oyster]

Thought so

[worldly rain]

there's always the phosphorous and hespherous theory which paimon can fit where she is the day king and current ruler Phanes is night king

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

So that means Nicole is getting three

[vivid wasp]

I'm having very conflicting feelings on the 6.6 aq
Ok I know it hasn't come out but I just mean that I don't know
I haven't played Genshin in months, so with every new quest that comes out I just read it on the wiki or look for a summary
But I don't even know if I want to even look at the 6.6 AQ
I just have this weird feeling that I don't like
It's kind of like how it was when 5.3 and 5.8 came out
I'm trying not to keep my expectations high but I'm worried about the things that will be revealed messing with my theories, lol.

This sucks, I miss when I still enjoyed this game

:(

I know

I just hyperfixiate too much on my own theories to the point where I sometimes delude myself into thinking they're real, lol.
I guess it's because I just have too much expectations, I really want the story to be good, but ever since Natlan I haven't enjoyed anything.
And somehow it should have put my expectations lower, but the whole time I'm at a crossroads thinking "well the story has to be good this time, it can't get any worse then this"
And then the realization hits
Sadge

It's not that I'm expecting my theories to all turn out to be correct

I mean, I'll be happy if they do, just like how happy I was when my Mare Jivari theory was partially correct, but I just mean that the reason I delude myself into believing my theories will come true sometimes is because 99% of the time I create my theories based on what I would like to see happen in the story. Which I shouldn't do obviously but I can't help it, lol.

Yeah of course lol

I'm always sharing my theories here and with other people.

[vivid wasp]

I think so? I don't really remember much about that quest

[lilac coral]

What if he's in another Nicole trailer or extract

[brave marten]

thought of that

I hope so

especially since she's appearing in the next AQ

[lilac coral]

Yee

[vivid wasp]

Is Nicole going to have a story quest

I didn't watch the livestream

[brave marten]

nope

apparently she's having something like

Columbina selenic chronicles

not sure

[vivid wasp]

Oh

That's interesting I guess?

[brave marten]

maybe

[vivid wasp]

Oh

God I hate these character locked quests

[worldly rain]

No cataclysm already happened

What Istaroth did with the key is that she diverted the twin from going to save khanerriah from their upcoming punishment from celestia

Instead of saving khanerriah from wrath of God(Ronova) the twin instead went to save their sibling and started leaving teyvat

That was the purpose of bringing key back to past

You said it breaks the final cycle
She didn't help break final cycle
Cataclysm did she just stopped further damage

In fact the end goal of cataclysm was stopped which was replacing old order
Khanerrians actually lost

No breaking cycle is what happened with cataclysm
It's just that after breaking the cycle the old order was supposed to be removed that didn't come to pass because 4th descender went AWOL

Celestia took back the control then again

And is doing everything to fix the problem created during cataclysm ever since

They're gone mostly
The ones who remains like those of abyss order and Pierro are indeed trying to get back at celestia in their own ways

Even abyss twin is back because he feel remorse and wants to fix their betrayal

Cataclysm was just a catalyst to breaking the cycle
But after the cycle break you still have to create new world order
That didn't happened basically

As Rene said 4th cycle is the last one and it did indeed passed

Yes that's what I said

The difference comes from you saying the breaking of cycle was because Istaroth helped with key
No she didn't she only stopped the new order from coming on top

I was just correcting that

This is what you said
I was just correcting it
Her helping with key didn't cause breaking of cycle as it already had happened
It just prevented the new order from coming on top that's all

It didn't
Sinner powers came from them only they already played their part
This led to cataclysm of which aftermath they were supposed to protect from wrath of God's
That's when they went AWOL

They helped in creating cataclysm
They just didn't stay to protect from consequences of breaking the cycle

[thick oyster]

Varka's boss fight was at least pretty cool

That's why Khaenri'ah was gathering aliens like Pokemon

[vivid wasp]

Yeah but they should allow us to do so without having the character specifically
That's what I dislike about it

[thick oyster]

No they're all equal to the Shades

They just didn't care to defend Khaenri'ah

Surtalogi def wouldn't care lol

No they were

That's the point of them having authorities

The same authorities I mean

[worldly rain]

The whole space and time is literally abyss twin lamenting they betrayed khanerriah
Khanerrian were fully hoping them to save them from gods

[thick oyster]

Well he started out Shades level and now he's higher than that

That's what he meant

He's a universal calamity or whatever

[worldly rain]

They did fail

But not in breaking cycle but in creating new order that comes after

[thick oyster]

Prime Rerir could

[worldly rain]

Not really

[thick oyster]

Cause he was the Sinner of death

He starts out at 10 percent and then ramps up to like, idk, 30 percent by the time we beat him

100% Rerir

When he first got his Sinner powers

Also Rhinedottir ate Naberius

[worldly rain]

What are you even arguing atp

[thick oyster]

So I think they might be equal

[worldly rain]

You're contradicting your statement

[thick oyster]

She became a Shade with 0 complications
Suggesting they're equal

[worldly rain]

But 4th cycle broke because of cataclysm
Rene already said 4th cycle is last it already happened

And twin was present when it did

It didn't happen without them

You don't need descender to be variable

Varka is a variable for example

[thick oyster]

Well Yuji becomes equal to Sukuna so

Yeah

So strong he can defeat predators irl

Did you hear about the incident of the Yuji cosplayer beating up a sa offender at an anime con?

[worldly rain]

"Even without the favor of a Vision, mankind is still capable of monumental feats.
In Natlan, the human king led heroes toward the divine throne. In Fontaine, a genius once mapped the world's fate through numerology. And in Liyue, the grandmaster of spear and blade swept across the lands, unrivaled.
Across vast spans of time, through the endless tides of humanity, there will always emerge those variables who defy the common order of things. "

Ok I'm not sure on varka as being a variable as I can't remember where I heard that
And I probably mixed him with Ravenheart who was a variable

[thick oyster]

But getting back to Genshin lol
The Sinners should be equal to the Shades
With the exception of Surtalogi and Asmoday RN probably
Though Asmoday might be amped from Abyss power too for all we know

[worldly rain]

His vision story

[thick oyster]

Varka managed to avoid his own fate too technically

Yeah
Though the Abyss might poison her instead of making her stronger

[worldly rain]

Yeah I also remember somewhere he was called variable but probably I remember wrong

[thick oyster]

He said that they, like Dottore, could also use variables too

Not that he himself was necessarily a variable though

At the end of 6.2

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[worldly rain]

"..No matter how many times I derive it, the result remains the same, though this result is not expected... Unlike the world Depicted in these ancient texts, there will be no more new civilizations born... Unless we consider introducing "variables" from outside the system... If it was that sort of power, there might be a chance... "

He talked about variables only doesn't mention descender
We assumed that to be the case because at that point lore wasn't expanded as much as it has today

Remember this was 3 years ago
Definition of variable wasn't set in stone

We just assumed this only meant descender

[thick oyster]

Well she might not know who Asmoday is serving
She may have just gotten an anonymous commission lol

[worldly rain]

They are I'm saying they're not the only ones

[vivid wasp]

Wdym
I'm confused how that ties in to the Mare Jivari

Ehhhh
I guess so...?

[thick oyster]

Nah she's just dressed like this

https://tenor.com/view/hoodie-hoodies-cold-gif-26058785

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket so where does Rene talks about breaking cycle?

I'm trying to find but can't remember

[vivid wasp]

True

Even the God of Light stuff

[thick oyster]

Domain surfing.... literally

Btw I wonder if we'll ever find the dungeon Rhine found Naberius' heart in

Would be cool

[worldly rain]

That note only says 3 cycle have passed and they're living in first half of 4th
Doesn't talk about breaking any or even descender

Instead it says it goes through natural evolution

"...See that? That's the conclusion the world-formula arrived at after countless calculations. The scene we foresaw, the destruction after the cataclysm, and this world where not even a Sweet Flower or a Mint can grow... That is the end of all things..."

Strangely enough Rene too was trying to prevent cataclysm

[thick oyster]

Maybe the City of Ys

Any second now

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-theres-nothing-thank-you-son-chris-griffin-peter-griffin-gif-16308152171798273645

[vivid wasp]

Pretty bday art

The fact that she's an Angel though
Like why doesn't she have wings or idk the ear thing Nicole has
That's what bothers me

Fair

Kekw

[brave marten]

I told you there won't be

but you gave me hope

now I stay up to 5 am just to check

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-bruh-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-higuruma-hiromi-gif-6772381213627884903

man who gaf about some Zibai birthday

[vivid wasp]

I do
She's pretty

[brave marten]

fine

just this once

[vivid wasp]

At the very least you guys will get a whole Archon Quest dedicated to your favorite next week
I haven't gotten any Mare Jivari crumbs since 5.8

[brave marten]

yeah where he dies and have a lobotomised version of himself sray alive to become playable

at that point I'd rather they kill him off for good

also mare jivari will come

eventually

maybe

[vivid wasp]

At least you're all getting something. The Mare Jivari will come """""eventually"""" but that might be during Khaenri'ah for all I know

Your fav disgusts me
Delete that gif I will vomit

[brave marten]

they actually deleted

[vivid wasp]

Rerir has a bigger chance to appear because of sinner lore

His girlfriend is dead

Thats all that matters

He will probably be playable then

[brave marten]

can she follow her values and go put herself in the chair and wake Capitano up

[vivid wasp]

Better yet can she follow her values and throw herself off a fucking bridge

God I hate her

[brave marten]

honestly it's not about Capitano I just want Mavuika gone

take Columbina with her

and uh maybe Wanderer

[vivid wasp]

And Enjou

[brave marten]

I'd add Nahida too depending on what happens next update

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-wtf-joe-coin-emotiguy-stare-serious-disgust-dark-gif-3168155412875858871

[vivid wasp]

Have I mentioned my Mavuika is evil crack theory to you yet
I talked a lot about it before I took a break from this server but I haven't lately

[brave marten]

no u didn't yet

and uhhhh

Arlecchino

especially Mavuika

okay yes

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-angry-xenoverse-2-gif-7335905850737743765

[brave marten]

who made that decree

fuck happened during january 14th 2026

oh wait

[thick oyster]

Nah man Capitano mains ain't even mad at Mavuika
Idr how it was back in the day though

They don't fucking follow that

[brave marten]

rare FatuiHQ L

oh that

[thick oyster]

Huh?

[brave marten]

I hope she doesn't live up to the slander

[thick oyster]

That was mainly FatuiHQ though iirc

Oh yeah that

[brave marten]

bro even FatuiHQ wanted them

[thick oyster]

Wanted what?

[brave marten]

OUT

of the sub

[thick oyster]

It was all a part of their master plan

[thick oyster]

That's a first

[vivid wasp]

Well its pretty much the same thing as amgelus theory of Mavuika being like, a fictitious version of herself
But I just added my own twist to it I guess
Basically I think that the "original" Mavuika was like, a really bad shitty person
And that she used the powers of the ancient name to make herself into a "good" person and erase all of her evil deeds
Thats about it really

[brave marten]

back then I kept telling Capitano fans to gtfo and go complain in their mains sub that I genuinely got targeted at some point

by them

[brave marten]

I mean

I wish but

but you know...

[vivid wasp]

Yeah yeah I know

It won't happen.

[brave marten]

become a writer and invade hoyo hq

and get Mavuika written off

[thick oyster]

I'd think so

[vivid wasp]

Like even if there's evidence for it the devs won't do it because Da Wei loves her too much
I just think it would be interesting
Like, it would add a layer to her character, and the main complaint of her being a Mary Sue
Because then it'd be on purpose you know?
But yeah.

Uh?

[brave marten]

they said that?

[vivid wasp]

Oh yeah

[thick oyster]

Huh?
The second Pyro Archon was male

[brave marten]

the first archon since Xbalanque to do it*

[thick oyster]

Oh

[vivid wasp]

They mean the second archon since Xbalanque

[thick oyster]

Oh

[brave marten]

fym Oh it means the same thing I said

oh I skipped that

the quest pmo

Chasca pmo too

[vivid wasp]

This would also kind of tie into my theory of the Pyro Archons being Natlan's Demiurge equivalent

[thick oyster]

Oh

[thick oyster]

Her design sucks ass

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173

[brave marten]

Chasca as a whole sucks ass

[vivid wasp]

I like Chasca
And her design

[thick oyster]

I like her character well enough

[brave marten]

yeah that also sucks ass

[vivid wasp]

I think she's pretty

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-bart-simpson-bath-tub-chair-meme-gif-15174547

[brave marten]

am I the only one who genuinely dislikes every Natlan character

[brave marten]

I honestly didn't even give a chance to Varesa

[vivid wasp]

People loved Varesa???
Bruh
I fucking love Varesa more than anything in the world but she's 100% the most hated on character

[brave marten]

wait jen do you like Natlan's AQ?

[thick oyster]

I like Ororon

[vivid wasp]

The leak sub was so utterly insufferable when she was revealed

[brave marten]

she's not the most hated but yeah she was hated a lot

[vivid wasp]

I like everything except for the finale

[brave marten]

ehh I liked him at first

[thick oyster]

I think her top half is ok it's just her stupid pant that I don't like

[brave marten]

I think her in game face kinda chopped

[thick oyster]

He had the hype of being by Capitano at least

So I liked him for that

[brave marten]

that's what made me like him first 😭

[thick oyster]

....Shame Ororon has 0 synergy with cryo