・lore-basement

[thick oyster]

Well yeah it would presumably be abandoned

Like Tollan

Possibly
The Dragon God Ryujin in Japanese mythology had a palace at the bottom of the sea

So there could be something similar in Inazuma

[brave marten]

don't forget they always come up with something for Liyue

better im tired of that shit

I don't blame them if they bring something out of their ass for Inazuma

because genuinely I see nothing else for it

to make it significant again

that shit should be in an AQ 🥀

and even then that can't make inazuma significant again

[river valve]

inazuma peaked with enka

and enka was so insanely peak they decided to abandon it entirely

also this fae shit confused me ||fym augury birds and sirens and shi mfs you said there are 6 types of fae 😭 ||

my current understanding is that those are subspecies of the main 6

and wtf fucking shit is this the hell

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-i-guess-bro-bro-i-guess-ok-man-gif-6278747235421617446

not my tartag

[thick oyster]

It has Scaramouche
That's it

[river valve]

he's gonna die jacking

[river valve]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-enkanomiya-gif-24272953

[thick oyster]

Nation so ass even its most popular character doesn't want it

[thick oyster]

Honestly that's barely even Inazuma
Inazuma is Japan while Enka is Greece 😭

[brave marten]

on god it is

[river valve]

its japanese enough

byakuyakoku even is a japanese name no?

[brave marten]

I can't fathom why they abandoned it when it still had some potential

[river valve]

we're getting another expansion thrust

[thick oyster]

I guess?
I think they transitioned from the old language to the Inazuma language in preparation for the surface world

[brave marten]

never going to be as good as Peaknomiya

yeah a mention, a mention is nothing

give us a quest in it or some extra expansion

[thick oyster]

Also it's "Delphi" which got a couple more mentions lately

[brave marten]

ik but that's more as a result that we saw what happened with Hyperborea and they're from the same era

nahh what I just said

[thick oyster]

It had the Muratans

[brave marten]

I mean Mare Jivari is gonna be cool but I'm just saying Enka itself should have more

[river valve]

is that vanessas tribe

[thick oyster]

Mhm
Wonder if they had Anemo saurians

[brave marten]

yea

how

[thick oyster]

I think Nocht is Enjou
Nana idk

[river valve]

man i gotta do these wqs

[thick oyster]

Yes

[river valve]

im getting conflicting answers here

[brave marten]

two said yes one said no

[thick oyster]

It split into two tribes
Tenochzitoc and the Muratans
Muratans was Vennessa
Tenochzitoc remained on Natlan

[river valve]

flins my goat he desperately needs more screen time

[thick oyster]

They don't have to be friends

[river valve]

mf was a fae noble

[thick oyster]

They all died from the Bakunawa

[thick oyster]

He was friends with Belyi too

And Tenochzitoc remained in Mare Jivari

Which would make it more ironic if Enjou was the Pyro Sovereign
Since he befriended them

I wonder if Nana was a dragon lord
The Dragon Lord who made the bat saurians is still unclear

No he rejected his power

No he did
Back when he was the Lavawalker

Also even Kukulkan was unsure if he could be the Sovereign or something else

He's already been the Lavawalker

Since he gave us his flower

No

Being the Lavawalker is how he got stranded in the Mare Jivari and got sent through time to begin with

No he already was

Lava Waller was banished by the tribe

No

He already has
His speech implies rhat

He says that he saw the Tenochzitoc before

And the Muratans

He says it as a quote
Meaning he has said it before

That's his homeland

The Dragon civilization
Probably

The civ within the Mare Jivari was the Tenochzitoc

That's why he helped us beat it

It's also the name of the tribe

Before it got crushed by the Bakunawa

They would have had a civilization

Where does it say that

Yes
He just needed one piece

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

No he says it is

Where

Yeah and Bakunawa took a fragment from the first one

No

We don't

He is just looking for his homeland in the past

Like how he got memories of the past civilizations

Or just in the past

Yeah

Like how Enjou has memories of the other dead civilizations

It doesn't
It just has the ability to traverse time

The distortion is from Istaroth

Yes
To split off the Bakunawa

Mavuika's bum ass was too weak to defeat it

So she begged Sanhaj and Tenoch to sacrifice themselves

Venti did it

The Bakunawa can bypass the time seal because it's transcendant

Like how it fought the Troupe

Zibai is too
But she doesn't have time powers seemingly

Venti is her favorite child

[thick oyster]

Maybe because it has moon powers?
So it bypasses the order of Phanes and their Shades somewhat

Daughter of Istaroth

Unless it's metaphorical

Still the two had a connection
Maybe she adopted her?

Or something

Because Phanes made the Angels
The Watchers are what happen when a Shade tries to make their own

No
It has the blue and red rocks of the Moon

And the symbol on its chest looks like the Frostmoon Scions

It has moon powers

Yes
But she could have taken some moon fragments to make it

A name is pretty important though

Or so Enjou thinks
He could be unreliable

Yeah but WQ writers are built different

That was aight
It just wasn't as peak as Natlan and Fontaine

And so will Bakunawa

When it is revealed it has moon powers

Yeah, small

Or Frostmoon
Did I tell you my Rerir theory?

I think Rhine used Rerir's fragments to make the Bakunawa

And that's why he's pissed at her

Asides from the rift wolves

He got thrown in the Moon Gate
Time travel bullshit

And they'd be infused with moon power too possibly
Which is why Bakunawa is red and blue

[river valve]

i thought sigurd was killed by rotwang

at least thats what the wiki said

[thick oyster]

Apparently he died to protect Kid Illuga from Wild Hunt

I haven't read his lore

He's a Zibai merchant anyways

Rerir's grandson?

Oh yeah
Mythology

Yeah I know

Yeah

But the main ones are important

[thick oyster]

Avrelian's name fits

Reed Miller and the prophesized heir of the Scions

I meant that his name fit his character

Well Avrelian was the name of a Roman Emperor not a god

[thick oyster]

Well he refused to become the king of Nod-Krai

[vivid wasp]

Huh where

Oh you meant enkanomiya

Not the Mare Jivari

My bad

The #1 civilization that I want to have more lore on, is the first Tsurumi Island civilization
It's the most mysterious civilization so far and I want to know more about it

[vivid wasp]

Well, there were the Mu-Natlans who kind of lived there
Lavawalker implies that there was a phoenix as well that they possibly worshipped? I say possibly, because idk if the "people" mentioned in the lavawalker are the Mu-Natlans, but I personally believe them to be

I actually have an theory about the phoenix as well

Its implied via the murals that star fragments fell there, and there were "secrets" in them which is probably the reason they got nailed.
But like, Tsurumi is a tad weird, because where did the people from the Thunderbird civilization come from you know? Like, were they just surviving people of the first civilization?

Well basically, you know how the staff of homa symbol is everywhere in the game, right?
Its the battle pass icon, the wings on the omnipresent god and ronova, you see it literally everywhere in Natlan especifically with the masters of the night wind, etc.
Well, I was doing some research and basically in Persian mythology there is a bird known as the "Huma" bird, which is in fact represented by a phoenix.
Anyways, some key characteristics of the Huma bird:
It was said to be a symbol of royalty, and that when it flew above a persons head, that person would be blessed
Similarly in the Lavawalker artifact set its said that the people of the Mare Jivari worshipped the phoenix as a symbol of royalty
The Huma bird is based of a bearded vulture, which is a bird known from its diet comprised primarily of bones. There was one particular myth about the Huma bird that said that if it ate the bones of a human, that person would ascend to godhood, and we hear from Enjou that the Mu-Natlans would bury their bones in the Mare Jivari
So I'm 99% sure that the Phoenix in the Mare Jivari is a reference to the Huma bird. What could that mean lorewise exactly? Idk.

The Tsurumi Island Murals

[vivid wasp]

Oh, to add to this, we see the homa symbol on the map of the Mare Jivari that we got from Enjou

Well, the mural says that "wisdom is hidden amongs the stars" and there's a puzzle in Tsurumi Island where you find these star fragments by following the drawing on the murals to where the stars are depicted

Enjou says so yes

Yes

The reason why I bring up Tsurumi Island is also because I have a crack theory that the original Tsurumi Island civ has connections to the Mu-Natlans/The Mare Jivari but its just the usual case of me wanting lore on two very specific things so I try to kill two birds with a stone and connect said things together in a way

[vivid wasp]

Also Mavuika's hair when flipped upside down bas the homa symbol as well
Plus there's the fact that she obviously has a phoenix motif with her design
But I genuinely don't know what to make of it. Its incredibly weird that she doesn't have a connection to the Mu-Natlans, not even acknowledging them to begin with
Like, she was alive 500 years ago, Tenoch was part of this tribe and she knew of him, and yet she mentions he was tribeless, he's honestly just suspicious in general considering he's the only known case we have of someone who "lost" their ancient name and was unable to be revived, and also, Mavuika was the one who ordered the Summertime Resort to be built, and I find that suspicious as well

I mean, she's someone who cares about history and memories a lot, so surely she would have cared about keeping the history of the Mu-Natlans alive right? And yet she's like, building a waterpark right on the place where this tribe used to be? It feels like she's trying to cover their history up in a way, but I hate her so I'm biased on this topic.

[vivid wasp]

I mean yeah...? Like, the top of her head is like, idk a tuft of feathers and what not
And I mean her whole vibe kind of screams phoenix to me

[worldly rain]

Homa symbol that's just ronova wings mimicry

Symbolism is there if you want to see it basically

[thick oyster]

Or something deeper to do with the afterlife
The Moons used to manage the afterlife and Ronova lent moon power to Yohualtecuhtin to make the Night Kingdom

[worldly rain]

Wouldn't really say powers more like system sort of like governed by moons which later was replaced by irminsul

[thick oyster]

Well yeah they both controlled the power of death

But my theory is that the Moons were the primary afterlife caretakers and that the reason why the Ley Lines leak memories and ghosts so damn often is because the Ley Line afterlife was essentially a band aid solution after the Moons bit the dust

[worldly rain]

It's already confirmed that souls flowed into the moon kingdom and only later they started flowing in irminsul

[thick oyster]

Yeah but I'm just elaborating on it more

[worldly rain]

Which is why I think it's like a system or sorts which basically was transfered from moon kingdom over to irminsul by PO

After the war

[thick oyster]

Yeah, the dragons before didn't really have an afterlife system because they would just reincarnate eventually
So I wonder if the Moon Realm had a purpose besides being an afterlife too before Phanes

The artifacts say the Dragons used it too but just how we don't know

[worldly rain]

Thing is lifeforms still existed long before PO came...those souls still went to moon
Actually let me see something...

[thick oyster]

Yeah but Neuvi also says this

Plus Nibelung only made the Moons when he had to leave to fight the Abyss

[worldly rain]

"To draw lost spirits into the moon's gilded halls, a giant silver ship sailed into the harbor of Meropis.
The paradise, once hallowed for the life that flows within the breath of the Elements, now opens its gates even to mortals. "

So before humans souls started flowing into moon kingdom the elemental lifeforms already did...
So the system was already established long before PO brought humans

[thick oyster]

Yes I know

I didn't deny that

I was just wondering if it served the same purpose

[worldly rain]

It should I think...
If they weren't necessary PO wouldn't have transfered the system into irminsul
Not to mention humans souls going into the moon kingdom why was that necessary for him to do so?

Maybe the difference could be that normal elemental lifeforms would reincarnate and so artificial humans needs to do the same for his cycle to work?

Based on Durin weapon lore at least if that's true then humans are reincarnating

So maybe for that it was necessary

[thick oyster]

Well it would have been necessary for the humans but was it necessary for the dragons?
Though yeah humans do probably reincarnate, Boethius and Cassiodor will explicitly

[worldly rain]

There's certainly some difference I feel
Dragon's reincarnating is natural order they are basically the same creature
But human reincarnation so far is a bit different it's their fate that has been recycling for them rather than actual people

You're certainly right here that the purpose is different between PO's reincarnation plan and that of dragon's

[thick oyster]

Wonder how the Dragons there reacted to the Moons letting humans in after they started sucking off the guy killing their whole species

[worldly rain]

Dragons consider moons to be traitor so I guess they weren't really happy there

Istoria is after the war so the system already had changed between the moon and irminsul

[thick oyster]

Yeah ancient names in Natlan feel kind of like a form of "reincarnation" too but less so since we literally see humans talking to previous ancient name holders.
Maybe instead of literal reincarnations it's the constellations that carry over? Mona does talk about constellations like she's seen them before

[thick oyster]

Wonder if there was like a sect of dragons sworn to service to the Moons or something
That would look pretty cool

Though we know they had Lunar Envoys too

[worldly rain]

And constellation basically tells the fate of the humans who hold them
That's why we see humans sharing them
Like childe with ajax or durin with mini durin etc

[thick oyster]

Names too also carry power
Our Ajax had a similar fate of being "reborn" in the Abyss like the og Ajax

And of course Durin

Also Liloupar tells the Traveler her real name to mark them as her master

[worldly rain]

Yeah

Say did abyss twin leaving Asmoday tower which left them with lost memories responsible for them being registered as part of teyvat by irminsul?

[thick oyster]

Possibly

[worldly rain]

But traveler didn't suffer from any such thing...

[thick oyster]

Well they weren't transported to the Temple of Space

Hm

Asmoday was probably working against Phanes from the start then

Some greater plan is at play

[worldly rain]

Actually nvm the path to Asmoday tower was made by memories of that girl(I forgot her name)
So traveler didn't need to sacrifice their own memories

Abyss twin didn't the luxury I guess

Hmm so how did that other guy aka author of Vera's Melancholy leave...That's even more mysterious than abyss twin

[thick oyster]

Ngl I still haven't played through the Temple yet 😭

I will soon though

[worldly rain]

Oh I didn't know sorry for the spoiler

[thick oyster]

It's ok lol

I don't really care about spoilers at all

[worldly rain]

Yeah I looked it up it was actually zeitlind not Hilda
Hilda's the elder one

Hmm he doesn't sound like someone who writes ln

I don't know the reason just that melanta kicked him out before we got into the space
We even met him at the start of quest

That would then mean he's from outside teyvat
But klee said he's famous adventurer of teyvat...

Not really as PO isn't really made by asmoday but reverse

Nor is PO crying that asmoday left him

He's asleep he doesn't even know what's happening

Raumhilda brought changes to eternity though and was the most human
Unlike asmoday...

I doubt she was standin for her

And yes I know the name in German is related

You could say they share ideals?
So asmoday after meeting twin definitely had a change in mind and sought to leave the ideals of PO

Istaroth is basically helping her achieve that ideal

Yes and I have some sort of explanation for that...

See we know asmoday doesn't have the same emotional connect as normal humans would
It's only after meeting abyss twin something changed in her (narratively similar to voyager changing first angel but I digress)

So now she's following us on our journey to make sense of her changed heart

Basically she's following the logical end to her changed ideals through us

If her new ideals are right then that means we as the representative should succeed

And in our success lies the reinforcement of her ideals

I hope it's much more than just that
It's sort of similar to how an Android would become human
And I think that fits better here

Thematically speaking

Hey it's hoyo they love recycling themes

[thick oyster]

He hasn't become human at all though
He's a dipshit who deserves to be abused

[queen prawn]

By putting them down as quickly as possible

[brave marten]

i mean it makes sense

he manipulated those events and now he's orchestrating them

yeah

and the bird

glitching at the end

is the same glitches Dottore had as Moonttore

[vivid wasp]

What's your demon name theory I'm curious

[vivid wasp]

Interesting, but, and forgive me I have not done the world quest, where was this theory proven?

||yeah I'm aware of that part but like, are you saying it proves your theory of Paimon and Asmoday not being the same? I might be getting confused here||

Ahh I see
I thought you were talking about all the true name stuff

Interesting.

Prior to 5.3 my theory on the "True Names" had to do with the name in the Pyro Gemstone description, and how I tought that the blank word in question was meant to be "Aym" since that was the Ars Goetia name of the Pyro Archon in the beta, but in game its Haborym. I thought it was like, a Baal and Beelzebub sort of situation?
But the main reason that theory came to mind was because of that one side quest in 4.8 in Sumeru, with the detective book and what not, and how there were names of historical figures that were written "incorrectly". It sort of made me think back to like, Perinheri and Peruere and later in 5.1, of Nechca and Nepecha.
My thought process is that it could possibly have something to with Irminsul, and how we can "preserve" Irminsul alterations by writing fake allegorical stories of historical events. In the same way these similar names could also sort of be a hint at Irminsul preservation stuff but less about preserving history and more about preserving/changing fate? Does that make sense sort of?

[vivid wasp]

I wonder if like, what would happen if you didn't create an allegorical story, but rather you just changed the name of the person who was erased
Like, what if you wrote a book about Scaramouche's backstory, and it's an exact copy, but you just use a different name to describe him. Would that also go past Irminsul?

Yeah, I've been thinking about Orobashi's death sentence, its weird because I mean, the one book of prayers in Nod-Krai technically speaking reveals to us a lot more explicit information then Before Sun and Moon did. But maybe its the fact that Before Sun and Moon didn't try to hide Phanes name?
They also "hid" Istaroth's by writing it backwards but that wasn't effective.

Yeah but like, they thought about her name, so that works for something no...?

Before we thought that the punishment on human origins was just knowing the fact that the PO was an outsider, but now with the whole "God of Light and King of Darkness" stuff there seems to be more to it
I am very very curious what that's about

I haven't been playing since 6.3 so I'm gonna be honest I'm very not caught up

Yeah, so PO has to be this King of Darkness, right?
Which makes me really want to know, who is this God of Light? Whoever it is, it's probably the true Monad. It can't be Nibelung because Nibelung didn't create humans. Although the Moon Sisters do take the form of humans right? Though we'd have to know if that was always the form they took, or if they switched to appear human to be more acclimating to the humans themselves.

It was in 4.3, no? Didn't we get the first mention of that story in the note at the bottom of the Ipsissimus Tower?

Who is bumveller

Oh lmao

Would PO intentionally "curse" people though? Or was it unintentional.

Sorry, I meant that, in the story the King of Darkness stole the original primordial humans from the God of Light to create a new species?

Yeah, so thats more or less what I meant, did PO intentionally "corrupt" the Primordial Humans?

This makes me think of the Natlanese again honestly, like how they sort of have an abyssal curse in the way that prior to the AQ finale they couldn't leave Natlan otherwise they'd lose memories and suffer certain abyssal side effects
Then there's also Albedo, where he's part of the "Primordial Human Project" so surely he could be a hint
And Rhinedottir did create the Bakunawa in Natlan...
Idk, I'm spit balling.

It is kind of caused because of the abyss in the night kingdom

Really? That's interesting.
I always thought that the Natlanese were always stuck like that because of how it was phrased in the Manga with Venti saying that they are rarely seen anywhere else other than Natlan
If it is a recent phenomenon, I wonder if it started right at the time the Mare Jivari dissappeared.

Also, what is a teyvat theatre script. The ley lines?

Before as in what point in the timeline, I'm a bit confused, because you said that Mualani was able to leave before, did it mention if she had to have permission from the Wayob?

No, I live under a rock

I see

Hmm

Interesting
How would you like
Try to explain the whole "abyss comes from fates that didn't come" in your whole metaphor theater theory, because thats something I'm interested in regards to the Mare Jivari

Yeah but it is very interesting

This isn't a theory, just a prediction, but I think that the Abyss in Natlan is not just formed from Nibelung's resentment but maybe someone else in the mix?
Like, ok, I'm thinking about the Pyro Gemstone description again as always, but I really do think that whoever the identity of that description is belongs to someone who like, was upset about their fate or whatever, and maybe their resentment was so so awful that maybe it might have to do with why the Mare Jivari closed up? Like, Istaroth had to resort to removing that person from the timeline otherwise there would be too many complications?
This isn't a theory like I said its just like, a thought I had because God fucking damn it I still want to know what that blank word/name is

I don't think the Bakunawa is the Phoenix ngl, I see what you mean but I disagree with it.

I'm not sure about us befriending the Bakunawa

Actually, the other theory I had about the name in question is that, the blank is not supposed to represent a name that is missing, but rather, a person?
Like, what if its someone, who has never had a name, like Enjou you could say since apparently Enjou is not his name and he doesn't have a home.
So the blank might not be a name, it might be like "achieved her/his truth he has"
Because the person in question doesn't have a name, but they were erased or forgotten from existence so the blank is just there to indicate someone, but not a name. Does that make sense?

The main reason I can't think the Bakunawa is the Phoenix is because 1. It doesn't have the Homa motif, and 2. The feather in the lavawalker set is said to be the feather of the Mare Jivari phoenix

Do we see it in her though?

The Homa symbol, do we see it in Rhinedottir?

Fair, but I stand by my point, I don't think the Bakumawa is the Phoenix

Oh I super get that lol

Anyways but like, back to the Pyro Gemstone description, I have one more thought

Basically, how can someone without a name be remembered?
Well, through different titles, like the "Nameless Bard" or "Wandering Knight"
But titles can sometimes be very vague, and they can apply to different people throughout different times

That is true

In the Night Kingdom, with Guthred the "memory" of the Guthred we see is one shaped by the stories told of him as a good guy when in fact he was not always good

As I said, titles can be vague and they can apply to multiple people. So how would the Night Kingdom be able to "record" that?
Like, let's say this:
You have this person without a name who is known by the title of "Cool Knight"
All the stories written about them are about them fighting evil and what not
Then you have another person named James who is also a knight who fights evil
When historians in the future find records of both James and "Cool Knight" they will probably assume that they were the same person, because "Cool Knight" didn't have a name but did a lot of things and was very similar to James. (This is assuming both these characters like lived during the same time)
So how would the Night Kingdom like, record this person? If the "memories" we see, are shaped by stories and what people now believe, would "Cool Knight" and James idk, fuse together?

And yes I see what you typed above about how Guthred couldn't go to the Night Kingdom because of being from Khaenri'ah, but I'm thinking about this in the sense of what if these "memory" copies could affect the real people/souls

[vivid wasp]

Guthred kind of disproves the fact that NK must record true history. It can make mistakes.
All I'm saying is that, there could be that maybe there's a chance that you can use these sort of rules to change fate/the past
Maybe that's why the Mare Jivari was closed up, because I mean they made a miniature Night Kingdom in the Mare Jivari
The Mare Jivari is gone now so that's probably why Dottore hasn't "won" alrady

The cool knight is just a character I made up for an example, I'm not using them as a stand in for anyone

[vivid wasp]

I mean just the fact that the recorded Guthred is not accurate to the real Guthred
Granted, it's only a "memory" not the real Guthred but it does show that the Night Kingdom could make mistakes
And think about also the Ancient Names, they have to be recorded correctly and very carefully. We theorize its because if not, when someone is revived with "wrong" traits that were written in their Ancient Name, they will be revived incorrectly, and have those wrong traits. Of course its a theory, but both Guthred, and also how we went through the process of creating the Traveler's ancient names sort of support this idea.
Like, I'm saying, there was a miniature night kingdom made in the Mare Jivari, could it be possible that the "leylines" of the miniature Night-Kingdom can or could have fused with the Mare Jivari possibly making it so that false recorded history becomes true.
Because the Mare Jivari exists in all moments in time, and Enjou is implied to have time traveled through old civilizations using the Mare Jivari
I'm saying that maybe it could be a possibility

The Mare Jivari is gone, so Dottore can't use its powers is what I mean
You said that if what I proposed was possible then Dottore would have already won, but I'm saying that even if it was possible he wouldn't have already gone because its gone

[ebon iris]

hes very silly

makes me wanna smash his face in

shark teeth and goofy mask and all

[worldly rain]

Guthred presence in NK was a story version
The people of natlan remembered his good deeds and that led to creation of his story version in NK
Ancient name is a title passed on heroes of natlan it's different in principal

Ancient names are also attached with some ideals that's why they can't have mistake while making them

[ebon iris]

I see... so you ever see the finale of invincible season 1? well do it just like that

man this scene was hard to watch last week

too bad this weeks episode nothing fucking happened

LMAO

only good thing was homelander eating shit in a uranium microwave for a bit and soldier boy character development

two reasons
one, ryan is built like him so hed survive it better than a normal human
two he still has some tiny bit of humanity in him to not kill his son

not like any of it makes any better tho but it makes sense why he tanked it better than the other dude

this weeks particular episode nothing really happened and it was so obvious

dont spoil, i would actually like to be surprised

i got spoiled last season with neuman LMAO

[worldly rain]

We already went to miniature NK in WQ
It acts as a gateway to area where bakunawa flesh was scattered

[ebon iris]

it wasnt until yesterday that i found out hes getting his own spin off show (Vought Rising) which is why the part in this weeks episode at the end with him actually getting his chara fleshed out makes a lot more sense

but to the viewer that doesnt know that theyre just gonna be confused

also lazy ass writing this ep but heres not the place to talk about it

[worldly rain]

Yes the mini NK acts as a boundary that separates natlan and mare jivari
Basically it keeps natlan safe in a way

Sanhaj engraved the mini NK inside tenoch belly and when baku nawa ate him it bursted from inside which led to few things

1. Bakunawa scattered into pieces
2. sanhaj died from getting hit by those pieces and tenoch was well eaten so he's dead too
3. mini NK was formed that acted as boundary between area of natlan and mare jivari

And then venti did his thing as safeguard

Yeah
Also I think the reason enjou needed bakunawa flesh to go to real mare jivari is that real area was seperated across time by venti
And bakunawa is known to have temporal disruption ability
So that's the reason why you need the flesh to go to real deal

[vivid wasp]

Since we were talking about wind glider lore earlier
Dragonspine's glider description has always interested me
Its kind of like a bunch of nonsense, but I honestly feel like its an allegorical story.

[worldly rain]

Phoenix is likely the God residing in mare jivari if anything I can see us siding with them to fight full fledged bakunawa or something once we go to real mare jivari
There's also the Enjou factor...

[vivid wasp]

Where is it mentioned that there's a God residing in the Mare Jivari btw? Or are we like just assuming that could be a thing

[worldly rain]

Assuming yes

Phoenix is mentioned to be inside the mare jivari and being worshipped by people

But whether that's God or just random beast we don't know

"Legend has it that there exists a kind of solitary bird that sings in the blazing flames.
People worshiped it as a totem while kings saw it as a sign of nobility."
From lawawalker set...

[vivid wasp]

I think the Phoenix could be similar to the Thunderbird/Kanna Kapactir so probably a God.

[worldly rain]

Yeah that's the assumption basically

[worldly rain]

I don't think there was much connection there at least not told explicitly anyway

[vivid wasp]

I have a crack theory that maybe the Phoenix could have been from Tsurumi Island originally, and perhaps left when the place got nuked, but not much evidence aside from the fact that I just feel that the similarities could be intentional
Tsurumi Island's Thunderbird civilization is inspired by Ainu culture, and Kanna's name is inspired by Kanna-Kamuy which is the Ainu deity of Thunder and Lightning. In some Ainu depictions, Kanna descends from the heavens accompanied by Kamuy-Hici, who is the Ainu Goddess of the Hearth. The Hearth in Ainu mythology is both a gateway to speak with the Gods but also where the dead go to be reincarnated. Now Kamuy-Hici is depicted as a human woman so maybe the Phoenix can't be inspired by her but who knows, some Gods do take the form of animals right? (But regardless, maybe the "She" that Kapactir says gave her original name could be a Kamuy-Hici equivalent)
Anyways, two other things, Little One has a list of name that you cannot give him, and Kanna Kapactir is one of them
The Tsurumi Island quest is called "The Sun Wheel and Mt. Kanna" and like, the quest doesn't have any mention of the Sun whatsover, so that again leads me to want to think that there could be some Natlan connection there (Mt. Kanna refers to a location, not Kapactir herself). The Sun Wheel could be the Wheel of Fortune.

Sorry for the large ass paragraph lol

[worldly rain]

We got to know that at one point moon was the place where dead would go to for reincarnation
And tsurumi is also very much related with those times as we see the boatman there

[vivid wasp]

True, and the first Tsurumi Island civilization worshipped the Moon Sisters.

[worldly rain]

Canon was related to hyperborea
Sonnet was related to khanerriah
Aria is still a mystery...maybe she was related to tsurumi
There's also bakunawa lore eating the moon and we know he got time disrupt ability and there's only one moon that's related to that aka eternity

...they really did Aria dirty by making her lore hidden ngl

[vivid wasp]

You might be right. In the Tsurumi Island mural that depicts her moon, the translation says "You are called Trivia and Luna by your fake light"
I have no clue what that means though, it's apparently a reference to Catullus 34.3-4 where Dianam is changed to Lunas
According to the wiki, I have no idea what Catullus 34.3-4 is about

Ok I looked it up and it's a hymm for the Goddess Diana apparently

I'm gonna go to sleep now, since tomorrow is the Snezhnaya trailer thing I'm probably going to once again be taking a break just because I really don't want to get spoiled on anything related to Snezhnaya, lol. But yeah see you guys.

[worldly rain]

Ye I think bakunawa ate one of those fragments

In genshin? I don't remember

Idk then

[ancient grove]

I'm playing through the True Moon quest in Nod Krai and I'm a bit confused. When Wanderer was talking to Traveler talking about how the other nations are better off focusing on defense and that Nahida will contact "other gods" in turn. Did he mean the archons or are there other gods that are not archons in other nations? Is there a specific reason why Wanderer uses the term "gods"? Tbh, I've only been active on the main archon quests so that's prolly why I missed any context if any.

[ancient grove]

Yeah. That's my understanding as well. I just got confused why they used the term specifically since I remember they've been using "archons" before.

[queen prawn]

it here

[queen prawn]

Descender trial

[stoic spade]

of course of course

[river valve]

Yup

There's no 6.8

So start saving pulls now

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket they talked avout hyperborea and descender plot yeah I'm ready for voyager stuff to come at center stage now

Gnosis plot will also get revealed but we knew that

[vivid wasp]

Anything about the Mare Jivari

[brave marten]

I mean

that much was obvious

uhhhhhhh

im not gonna hope for much

[vivid wasp]

So nothing for me to look forward to then, cool

I don't care about that

Don't care about that either

[river valve]

Bacon bacon bacon

[brave marten]

they better

why do u think that

[river valve]

They talking about a character "who sings" and its gameplay interpretations

[brave marten]

oh

[worldly rain]

We already got that but now I guess we'll get even more detailed textures

[brave marten]

hope so

I hate that deal they made with sony so much

[brave marten]

did they talk about a character stuck to a chair

[vivid wasp]

All I want and care is for them to finally answer the questions that they didn't answer in the Natlan AQ
Until then I'm not coming back to the game and I do not care whatsoever what Snezhnaya AQ has to offer

[river valve]

Yeah linnea model is insane compared to 1.0 jacks

[brave marten]

makes sense

[worldly rain]

If luna 8 is final version and it looks like it then I'm afraid mare jivari is getting delayed even more now probably gonna have to wait a lot

[river valve]

He's NOT standing up bro 🌹

[worldly rain]

Should be hyperborea but I'm not sure they give us that
Probably just random new area that connect with snezhnaya

[vivid wasp]

I honestly don't want to
I'll just wait until the Mare Jivari comes out
I mean, I'll still check the wiki when Snezhnaya comes out to get tl:dr of the new story but I don't care about a single thing the next versions have to offer

[worldly rain]

I mean it's sunk underground
Could've been seperate map
But we already got our quota of seperate map with asmoday temple so I guess hyperborea is getting saved now for next year

[river valve]

Everything is fucking north in this game

[vivid wasp]

We got our quota of seperate map for Mondstadt
Nod-Krai still needs one

[river valve]

You know who needs a map expansion

Japan

[worldly rain]

Yeah but we only get one seperate map per version cycle and we got it for lunar cycle

[river valve]

I mean sure but why 😭

Its not even a big spoiler

[worldly rain]

Unless it's limited area like those summer island but that also stopped

[vivid wasp]

I guess but I'll have nothing positive to say the whole time
So I probably won't be discussing Snezhnaya lore stuff here either.

[river valve]

Alright alright mb

[queen prawn]

From the sound of it,it seem like only Traveler and Tsarista will have access to the ancient power,forbidden or concept that they teased? Does that mean Cryo Traveler is unlocked immediately

[frank wolf]

Mondstadt: Temple of Space
Liyue: The Chasm
Inazuma: Enkanomiya
Sumeru: Temple of Silence
Fontaine: Remuria
Natlan: Ancient Sacred Mountain

[worldly rain]

Said the hoyo employee as ccp drags him from behind

[vivid wasp]

I appreciate it lol but I don't wanna come here all the time just to bitch about stuff, it'd just bring the mood down.

[river valve]

Temple of silence isnt even a new map

[worldly rain]

Hopefully not bronya (except for silverwing who I won't mind)

[vivid wasp]

I think the desert would be considered the Sub-Area of Sumeru
Like, it's not a separate map but it's a sub area right?
Like Dragonspine
Idk.

[queen prawn]

Jenna still looking for Mare Jivari content

[vivid wasp]

Yeah, unfortunately I'm still miserable

[frank wolf]

I still think Snegurochka is just the way the Frostmoon Scions originally call Anastasya, just as much as Saarelainen being Ajax's name in their records. Hey, it could just make enough sense to use the young Bronya form for her time as Snegurochka, and then her adult form is her present-day appearance who almost always looks at Childe from a distance.

[queen prawn]

Who invited Childe, is he related

[river valve]

Saarelainen being ajax the hero is just a theory no?

[frank wolf]

His real name is Ajax, after the legendary hero suspected to be the same as the Third Descender, who may be the Tsaritsa's final goal.

[worldly rain]

No they're the same 3rd descender
Although there's multiple tales there

[vivid wasp]

Its just a theory but to be fair its like a sort of "Rhinedottir is Gold" type theory
Not confirmed, but the evidence feels incredibly obviously.

[river valve]

Oh wow

[queen prawn]

Honkai

[worldly rain]

It's good for you that you don't know

[river valve]

Is there like a reddit post or sumsht

Where i can read this

[worldly rain]

Hymn of the far north that's the book you can read it

[river valve]

Ik about that idk much about ajax

[river valve]

Also to the point of it being practically confirmed

[worldly rain]

There's also ballad of fjords weapon lore

[river valve]

Mmhmmmm ic

WHEN did the hp cut up ajax the hell 🥀

[brave marten]

i need you to be precise here are you saying he's gonna fall in love with Lumi or Linnea

[river valve]

Childe you can do better

[brave marten]

yeah buddy a playable character who's been always pushed having a ship with Lumine is falling in love with an npc

I know

wish they had

a screen

with a blurry

design or smthn

they even used 1.0 characters to show the gadget

🥀

if u said this in twitter someone would hunt u down

[frank wolf]

After opening the gates to Celestia. It's a swift and immediate punishment.

[brave marten]

there's an account

that's about

how many days has it been since Diluc's model got dragged

[vivid wasp]

Pohjola is just the 6.3 map expansion right

Yeah lol, kind of underwhelming.

[brave marten]

it is underwhelming

[vivid wasp]

But since there is an unreleased part of the island still, it could be 6.7.

[brave marten]

there is?

where

was it mentioned

[vivid wasp]

In the screenshot above

[brave marten]

oh it's just an unreleased part

I thought we'd have a name

[worldly rain]

Same as getting gretel reveal

[brave marten]

yeah that was disappointing too 🥀

[worldly rain]

Reminds me not to make up scenarios inside my head next time

[brave marten]

ofc you of all people would say that

[worldly rain]

Oh I will but with caution

[brave marten]

1 out of 100

oh 6 or 7

[river valve]

Wtf 😭

Bayda harbor ahh reveal

[vivid wasp]

Ikr.

[brave marten]

Phainon kid model

[worldly rain]

Anaxas sister model

[brave marten]

did hsr improve the npc situation

[worldly rain]

Yes but not really
Kinda like nod krai improved it's npc the same way planarcadia did
We got unique npc and also better variety of them

[brave marten]

well that's way better than giving the most bland npc models to ur characters 🥀

[worldly rain]

For example this is unique npc I was talking about
Similar to how we got tholindis in genshin

[brave marten]

okay yeah thats way better

her design better than half the hsr characters' designs 😹

[worldly rain]

Here's another

Mr umbrella

But yeah same uplift as nod krai so it's something

[brave marten]

for a sec I thought that was the uhhhh

the destruction

emanator

who's against elation

asat pravat

?

I forogt his jamr

name*

[worldly rain]

Asat pramad yeah he's also in the story but it's not the same one (for now at least )

[brave marten]

did he appear yet

that's the goat fr

[worldly rain]

Yes in current quest

[brave marten]

oo what I wanna see his model

[worldly rain]

It was art reveal only no model yet

Definitely setting up to be the big bad of current arc

Maybe even future arc

[brave marten]

oh I see

I hope they don't end his story in just one patch cycle

[worldly rain]

Yeah surely won't fumble like they did with irontomb

All that hype and then it ended too quickly

[brave marten]

that pissed me off bro I was thinking Irontomb was gonna have massive consequences

but nah

amphoreus genuinely made me quit hsr don't think I'm coming back after that

[worldly rain]

Worst part was that before the 3.8 update released they kept doing teaser exclusively on cn with various faction getting ready for the fight and then it ended in 2 min cutscene in actual update

It did not feel like endgame boss

[brave marten]

yeah I remember seeing those

it was disappointing not seeing them ingame

[worldly rain]

Lygus was the true villain I'll keep believing that they did him justice at least

[brave marten]

and then seeing those preparations contribute something to the story

[brave marten]

true

my fav ampho character

[worldly rain]

@brave marten this was the reveal btw if you were curious about asat pramad

[brave marten]

oh yeah I went to see

tuff

is planarcadia's story

gonna be as long as ampho

[worldly rain]

No half actually they said they're going to the other planet for second half...
uh I forgot the name but where anti destruction alliance meeting was supposed to happen

[brave marten]

they're adding two planets in one patch cycle?

[worldly rain]

So maybe 2 more patch left for planarcadia story and then we go to other place
Although the two arc might be connected by common villain in asat pramad

[brave marten]

oh makes sense

[worldly rain]

Yeah I kinda forgot if it was planet or some sort of different place but yeah we'll be leaving planarcadia

[brave marten]

that's great

one of the worst thinfs I disliked about hsr

is the lack of planets

and places we can go to

[worldly rain]

I kinda liked the amphoreus plot/vibes overall but definitely could've been cut in half the length time wise and it would actually be better
Like there was too much bloat so much that even da wei had to admit it

[brave marten]

I was tired

the dialogue was very

annoying to listen to and to read

[worldly rain]

Planarcadia definitely has better premise so far but nothing substantial has happened yet they're basically setting up the pieces for the story
Most of it was kinda setup in current version so hopefully from next we'll start seeing substantial stuff

[worldly rain]

Yeah it was too verbose

[brave marten]

so I've heard, doesn't seem like there's too much going yet

also

https://x.com/i/status/2047652511503327538

owl🌙 | 6.6 spoilers (@dottoyuri_)

hmm

X · Apr 24, 2026, 12:22 PM

is that a Fatui outfit

[worldly rain]

Looks like winter outfit we'll be getting
Definitely will be a bit different than what we see here though

[brave marten]

it looks very similar to Tartaglia's outfit

[worldly rain]

No way aether goes to snezhnaya in his current drip
Dude will get frozen

[brave marten]

I don't like the possibilities that outfit is teasing

bro

if the 10th harbingers theories are right

im genuinely crashing out

yea

im ending it all 😭 🙏

I was genuinely hoping the 10th harbinger is gonna be a nice plot twist 💔

wonder what's 6.6's livestream gonna tease

5.7's livestream had the factions teaser

https://tenor.com/view/fatui-genshin-genshin-impact-fatui-harbingers-il-dottore-gif-10213978553508272981

this one

[worldly rain]

10th to me sounds like someone who got erased from irminsul
So if that's sibling/traveler that'll be disappointing
Unless they give good enough reason for it...

[brave marten]

same, also the traveler joining the Fatui cause was a popular theory since we knew the 10th spot is vacant

god I hope they don't do it

[queen prawn]

pierro steal the gnosis and become the third descender

but third descender cursed this world so he lost control

[brave marten]

whole time Rotwang's story foreshadowing Pierro's

[queen prawn]

never trust khaenriah mage

[brave marten]

I lowk can see that happen because im a believer of the Fatui merchandise theory

[queen prawn]

what theory

[thick oyster]

No this time he's cool

Nah Ronova is probably gonna be the first boss of Snezhnaya

[worldly rain]

See I had another theory related to this...
Ever wonder how every harbringer before 10th joined around the time of cataclysm or have been living since then?

So my theory was that maybe abyss twin was invited by tsaritsa as 10th harbringer but they declined for some reason
But tsaritsa left the seat open for future opportunity

And when childe joined later he was given 11th place

The only problem with this theory was that pentalone didn't fit...

unless they reveal pentalone is also a title shared just like arle...

[thick oyster]

Feels like a natural progression from a Sinner and a Temu Moon God

Yeah I thought it would be that since the Shade Lazzo

[queen prawn]

I would say third descender as the first boss make sense

[brave marten]

Pantalone is pretty old tho, he's not as young as Tartaglia

[thick oyster]

Asmoday is probably gonna be in Khaenri'ah

[queen prawn]

if Tsar plan is revive him

[thick oyster]

No way

[thick oyster]

She doesn't want to revive him

Mhm
Unless Pierro is a Sinner himself

[queen prawn]

We dont have Sinner weekly yet

Shade is too endgame

[thick oyster]

.... She's probably going to be Khaenri'ah's Archon figure

[queen prawn]

and Third descender dont need to be stronge either

[brave marten]

Snezhnaya is endgame

[thick oyster]

Snezhnaya is endgame bro

[thick oyster]

He was

[queen prawn]

not yet

[thick oyster]

All seven gnoses

[brave marten]

I honestly doubt it

[thick oyster]

Fym "not yet"

[queen prawn]

They put Khaenriah as ??? who know what they gonna add more

[brave marten]

how doesn't Pantalone fit?

[brave marten]

that doesn't mean there's gonna be more Teyvat chapters

[thick oyster]

She's the only female figure associated with the Abyss Order right now
I'm just being a doomer

[brave marten]

Rerir is not comparable to a shade brochacho

full power yeah sure

[queen prawn]

Not teyvat chapter

[brave marten]

but he isn't full power soo

[brave marten]

that's another matter

that's after the Khaenriah arc

[thick oyster]

We are probably going to rematch Rerir eventually

But idk when

[brave marten]

I hope so

[queen prawn]

NB is the voice

[thick oyster]

Then he gets killed by the CCP

[thick oyster]

Did I tell you about the red king white queen theory?

[brave marten]

nope, spill

[thick oyster]

Ah ok

[brave marten]

bro spill

[thick oyster]

I was typing bruh

[brave marten]

i didnt see u typing 😭 🙏

i wasnt there then lowk

[thick oyster]

I'm on my phone it's easier to type on computer

[brave marten]

uh

give me a minute

i didnt find it

just let him write 🙏

[thick oyster]

Ok so
The red queen and white queen is a concept in alchemy representing "the perfect being" or an alchemical rebus

[brave marten]

no Khaenriah is mostly certainly getting its own patch cycle

[worldly rain]

Yeah but 500 years old? I doubt it
My theory relied on the fact that every other harbringer got their seat before abyss twin was approached by tsaritsa some 500 years ago

[thick oyster]

The red King represents masculinity, the sun, and fire
The white queen is femininity and the moon

[vivid wasp]

I honestly just think the 10th is Crucabena
I know its the boring answer but I genuinely have no clue what they're cooking up with them
Also I remember AMgelus once told me that he had a theory about it being the Tsaritsa but that was a very long time ago
But it could be a possibility too idk.

[queen prawn]

Or we get ancient civilization as a whole patch before khaenriah

time stuff

[thick oyster]

And the docve is the intermediate between the two who brings them together
I think Rerir is the red king and Tholindis is the white queen

Rerir and Tholindis will have their "marriage" finally after years and become merged into one being to sme extent

[brave marten]

and the dove is Columbina?

[thick oyster]

Tholindis is already partially inside Rerir because he has her memories when Nefer peered in

[brave marten]

and how's that gonna happen u think

[thick oyster]

Yes

[thick oyster]

Tholindis is already partially merged with Rerir because of the Moon Gate and Rerir has some of Tholindis' memories

[brave marten]

do you know when the credit coupons in fortress meropide were made? that has a clue to how old Pantalone might be

[brave marten]

oh yeah I know that but

they still have some individuality in the prison

I need Columbina to adress the moon prison she hsould be powerful enough to do something about it now no?

[vivid wasp]

I have no clue what they're planning with Rerir at this point, he felt like the oddest addition to the Nod-Krai quest
Like he was just there because it's endgame and they had to include a sinner

[thick oyster]

I know
But when they return they'll get "married" and live in one body

[worldly rain]

Hmm that I don't know

[thick oyster]

Well Rerir was still better written

[brave marten]

it does? where was this mentioned

[brave marten]

I wonder how they'll return

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir maybe

Nah

[brave marten]

Wrio's weapon hints at Dottore and Pantalone being the ones who made those coupons, if we can know when they were made we can have an estimate of Pantalone's age

[thick oyster]

Rerir had an actual backstory

[brave marten]

still, Columbina has the trilune now

[brave marten]

she can't do anything about it?

[worldly rain]

Not for now I guess

[river valve]

The og three were locked in there and they couldn't do shit 😭🙏

[brave marten]

imma go check stuff about the coupons in meropide to get an answer

can descenders bring people back to life 🥀

[brave marten]

tbf those three had their powers stolen by Nibelung

[brave marten]

dude this is genuinely funny 😭

[thick oyster]

Don't.

[thick oyster]

I didn't make it unfortunately

[vivid wasp]

It's just what the meme template is lol

[worldly rain]

It's like how when dottore got the triline authority he had to test the limit on stuff that could be done with that
Columbina might have the power but not the knowledge of it's limit and capabilities
And only through experiment she'll know

For example she tried reviving sandrone but couldn't so we know that she can't

[thick oyster]

Exactly

Not really

[vivid wasp]

I mean, the burning of Irminsul is still a big thing

[thick oyster]

Yeah, Columbina's

Nah he's like that cause he's a bitch

[river valve]

We dealt with rerir too quickly thats my biggest gripe with nk plot

[brave marten]

hmm well, im just thinking she might be able to do something since it can only be accessed by the moon goddesses

[thick oyster]

He isn't aware of it though

If it even exists

He isn't. Otherwise he would have brought it up

[brave marten]

he did

[thick oyster]

When

He blames PO for shackling the world with the Shades

[brave marten]

in one of the cutscenes he asked if they were fine with their fates

[river valve]

Im pretty sure he literally says "once i transcend fate"

[thick oyster]

It says it in his item drop descriptions

[brave marten]

that too

[thick oyster]

Yeah but he doesn't know what his "fate" is

[brave marten]

he brought up fate 3 different times

[river valve]

His own fate yeah

[brave marten]

once like what cream said

he asked them during a cutscene if theyre fine with their fate

[thick oyster]

Yeah but he doesn't bring up he's fated to be hated ever

[river valve]

He is just aware of a shackled fate system and he's not fond of it

[thick oyster]

Their fate to be a weak human

In Teyvat

[thick oyster]

Yes

[worldly rain]

Definitely...remember she brought moon sisters soul out so yes she can do that
But how she could do the same for Rerir/tholindis might be different or not possible as there circumstances are a bit different

[brave marten]

yeah but why would he keep bringing up fate if he isn't aware of it limiting his life

[thick oyster]

He's only aware of his fate to be a human shackled by life and death

And time and space

[brave marten]

I mean it's true, it's just personally I was expecting a lot from her after she claimed the trilune and she has not delivered so far

[river valve]

Yeah

Lame ahh trilune

[worldly rain]

Honestly that's just story limitations
Maybe future plot will have the demand so we'll see then

[river valve]

Give the authorities back to dottore

Archons feel more impactful than bina

Maybe its bc they are

[brave marten]

hopefully soon

[brave marten]

fr

[thick oyster]

He wasn't crying also he only said that after the Traveler didn't want to work with him

Traveler not wanting to work with him

Yeah but Dottore only says it after one of the first few

[brave marten]

uhhhh what did archons do again

[river valve]

Mf is obsessed with descenders

[brave marten]

can you blame him

im not falling for your ragebait

it is ragebait to me

[thick oyster]

Well when does he say he'll become a villain?

[brave marten]

his entire monologue is about him explaining why he chose to be a villain

[river valve]

Actual moderator authority
Every lightning strike being tied to raiden is infinitely more cool than whatever bina did

[brave marten]

his grievances with the fate he got, the people's treatment towards him, his plans

[river valve]

Or how each windglider needs bentis blessing to work

[brave marten]

it is? I forgot 😭 🙏

wow the moon

what do we uh have on the moon

[river valve]

Moon uhh

[brave marten]

what does traveling to the moon do

[river valve]

Its

Its the moon guys

Wow

Coolest thing in the moon was looking at teyvat

And realise how much of a CHAD DESHRET IS I FUCKING LOVE SUMERU

[vivid wasp]

Was it "fate" that made him kill that one girl though? Because like, she didn't reject him per se she was interested in his research, so I don't think he has a right to be bitching about everyone rejecting him

[brave marten]

he didnt kill her

[worldly rain]

Dottore was only obsessed with traveler because they're descender who he still hasn't dissected for his experiment

[vivid wasp]

Is it not incredibly implied that he did it

[brave marten]

nope

[vivid wasp]

Or at the very least he didn't save her from like the ruin guard thing

[brave marten]

quite the opposite

he saved them from the ruin guards

his research team

[vivid wasp]

Explain

[worldly rain]

I'm sure he'd lose interest as soon as he knew all about their secret constitution

[river valve]

Good natured 😭🙏

[brave marten]

yooooo baby steps bro let's not call him that

[vivid wasp]

Brother didn't the fucking cat like, reject him or something because it knew how much of a psychopath he fucking is

[thick oyster]

It's not saying he "chose" to be a villain it's saying that he is a villain and that he thinks he's right for that

[brave marten]

why would you believe the cat

who's known to be a liar

[vivid wasp]

Why would I believe a college dropout

[brave marten]

he got expelled

[thick oyster]

The cat had to lie to make sure that Zandik saved Layla's ancestor's life

[vivid wasp]

Even worse

[thick oyster]

Because he strangled a woman

[brave marten]

which is not confirmed

if they were able to confirm it he would've been thrown in jail

but it was a mere suspicion

[thick oyster]

How does that prove he's good natured

[river valve]

He was not 😭

[brave marten]

and the Akademiya kicked him out before conducting a full on investigation

[lilac coral]

They can't fucking do this to us 😭

[thick oyster]

He barely even acknolwedged him

[brave marten]

he was

[worldly rain]

Surely...

[thick oyster]

They did

[river valve]

It looks eh icl

[vivid wasp]

Kc jumpscare

[lilac coral]

Hi

[brave marten]

why wasn't he ocnvicted

[river valve]

Original aether outfit is the best

[thick oyster]

Because he strangled a woman

[river valve]

Even on lumine it looks better

[thick oyster]

Thoth nudged him 😭

[lilac coral]

It looks eh, but it's the idea of another skin for traveler and I'm assuming it just won't exist

[brave marten]

he helped that scholar before Thoth even appeared

[river valve]

Nah it will exist

[thick oyster]

Because they expelled him
He was wandering in the desert exiled when Pierro found him

[river valve]

They wouldn't show it in hd if not

[thick oyster]

No he didn't

[worldly rain]

Dottore's strongest warrior

[brave marten]

he did

he patched him up

when he got injured

why would he patch him up if he was planning on abandoning him

[thick oyster]

Thoth lied that he had to save him to prevent him from getting left behind

[brave marten]

why would he leave him behind after patching him up

[river valve]

Just in case he needs a human sacrifice

[thick oyster]

He wasn't planning to
But he easilt could have since he didn't regard him at all

[brave marten]

it doesn't make sense, Thoth is either lying or just plain stupid

[thick oyster]

In case he got too tired of him

[brave marten]

and you know he didn't regard him at all how?

[thick oyster]

No it's because he sensed Dottore's true nature

[thick oyster]

From his notes he left behind the characters explicitly acknolwedge it

[brave marten]

so you can know who's a psychopath and who isn't just from the way they type?

do you not realize how nonsensical that sounds

[thick oyster]

Because he knew he was evil

[thick oyster]

Thoth is a god bro

[brave marten]

all bro typed "thoth is a bitch, don't trust him"

[brave marten]

since when were gods perfect in genshin

[river valve]

Thoth is god about truths cmon now

[thick oyster]

Yes the Thoth who has done soooooo many evil and psychopathic things such as.....

Uhhhh

[brave marten]

son

[thick oyster]

He just gave them powers and they shot themselves in the foot

Not his fault

[river valve]

He just likes doing monkeys paw

Nothing wrong with that

[brave marten]

I thought cream was on our side 💔

[thick oyster]

If Dottore did it you'd be on hand and foot defending him

[brave marten]

"if"

[river valve]

I like dottore and WANT him to be an apathic conniving evil

[thick oyster]

Excerpt of doom and despair

[brave marten]

okay sure but wouldn't it make more sense if he was a normal guy before some things happened in life that shaped him up to be the way he is

[thick oyster]

Yeah because he is

[river valve]

Nah he was born that way

[thick oyster]

Bro is DIO

Born a menace

[river valve]

Mfs first word was fuck

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-hachiware-usagi-anime-cute-gif-2232118539245262356

[thick oyster]

Like how Yujiro Hanma traumatized his mom by being born too early

[vivid wasp]

So like Scaramouche, Arlecchino, Raiden, Rerir and every single redeemed villain in this game
Him being just a genuine pyschopath is way more interesting

[brave marten]

who said he's redeemed

having a sad backstory doesn't change that he's evil

[thick oyster]

Potential backstory

[vivid wasp]

We all know he's getting redeemed

Cope not

[brave marten]

if you know that then why are you arguing against him not having a sad backstory

[thick oyster]

Only if Dottore gets a new version of himself that's good and has no memory of the past

[river valve]

I find this endearing

[brave marten]

say that one more time bro

[vivid wasp]

Which is 100% what's going to happen

[worldly rain]

What false accusations?

[river valve]

Hey

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[vivid wasp]

Actually

[brave marten]

im gonna make you feel endeared

[river valve]

Scara redemption was actually interesting

[worldly rain]

Who?

[brave marten]

deleted from the Irminsul is actually interesting?

[worldly rain]

Is that the one from the notes?

[thick oyster]

Sohreh was a researcher who went on a date with him
She turned up dead right afterwards with a broken neck bone

[vivid wasp]

There are like, a couple of hints about his possible backstory in one of the sumeru artifacts I think
Because it talks about his motivation for wanting to capture the Aranara
Let me go and get it

[river valve]

Yeah he didn't atone for his sins AT ALL and chose the easy way out only for him to be brought back to live with all the information

And he still acts like an asshole

[worldly rain]

But the notes don't mention any death...

[thick oyster]

Other notes do

[brave marten]

execute him

[brave marten]

Sohreh turned up dead with strangling marks after getting attacked by the lion tigers whatever they are

[thick oyster]

Pierro did it

[worldly rain]

Was it from the hospital?

[river valve]

Maybe she fell

[brave marten]

it's in one of the jungle camps

[worldly rain]

Alright then I don't remember

[brave marten]

yeah bro she fell right at the hands of some unsuspecting dude that's why she had marks on her neck trust fr

they could

[thick oyster]

Ooooor she tripped and accidently fell into the strangle master 3000

[brave marten]

and they would

[river valve]

Yeah she fell down and got her neck stuck to a strangling hand shaped rock formation

[thick oyster]

And Irmin convinced Vedrfolnir to do it

[vivid wasp]

Nvm this, I misunderstood as always, it was referring to an NPC who worked with Dottore

[brave marten]

cream was the one who made the HP AI

[thick oyster]

Exactly

[river valve]

I am pro HP

[thick oyster]

Which was also made by Dottore

[brave marten]

WHAT

[river valve]

Celestia fucking rules

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-dude-gif-25103066

[brave marten]

you're joking right

cream

[river valve]

Fuck the dragons

[brave marten]

fuck you

what was that amgelus

😭 🙏

[river valve]

😭

Thats hilarious

[thick oyster]

And all of this was merely Pierro's machinations

[brave marten]

if ur voyager theory is true

[thick oyster]

Ok.

[brave marten]

might as well be

[thick oyster]

Yeah kinda lol

[brave marten]

return to this discussion a year from now

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[vivid wasp]

What's your voyager theory
Is it the one where Pierro is like the boy the Voyager possesed or somethibg

[thick oyster]

No I think Pierro is the new vessel of Seuter

Not the old one

It's more of a Kurama and Naruto situation though

[brave marten]

kurama and naruto later in the story ofc

not at the beginning

[vivid wasp]

So Seuter will posses Pierro is what you are saying?

[thick oyster]

She is in him right now

Not later

[river valve]

SHE'S WHAT

[thick oyster]

She is possibly the "Mimir" to his "Odin"

[river valve]

I wish that was me

[vivid wasp]

Explain

[brave marten]

why 🥀

[thick oyster]

It was Koitar too

[thick oyster]

Odin sacrificed his eye to Mimir in order to gain arcane knowledge and when Mimir lost his body his head became a source of counsel for Odin

[thick oyster]

Because Koitar's rebellion and the Fatui have links

Azurelight and Polar Star's descriptions are similar

[brave marten]

yeah we discussed the theory a lot I was asking cream why 😭

[vivid wasp]

Ah ok.

[thick oyster]

And Pierro is missing an eye and was a mage too

[river valve]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-roy-the-demon-kiss-love-gif-9480084225827148413

[vivid wasp]

Fair, but like isn't Irmin still the biggest Odin equivalent still?
I know that you're saying this because of the links the Fatui have with like Koitar and what not but it could just be the fact that Snezhnaya is naturally going to be connected to Hyperborea
Idk

[thick oyster]

Well Hroptatyr is also named after Odin

Several characters are missing one eye like Odin

So he's a very omnipresent inspiration

[vivid wasp]

I see

So like how everyone is also Jesus, gotcha

[brave marten]

@worldly rain I found this but I couldn't find when 🥀

[thick oyster]

Kinda lol

[thick oyster]

It's in Wriothesley's catalyst description

[brave marten]

yeah

[river valve]

He's so pissed lmao 😭

[brave marten]

I want to find out when they were made

to have an estimate

of Pantalone's age

[brave marten]

tuff

[thick oyster]

Hm

Yeah it's unclear

But it was before Wriothesley entered as a kid at least

[brave marten]

oh

fr?

you sure of that?

[thick oyster]

Yeah it's mentioned in Wriothesley's lore I believe

[brave marten]

and how old is Wriothesley supposedly?

[thick oyster]

In his 30s at the minimum

[brave marten]

I see

not old enough to conclude Pantalone might be long lived

[thick oyster]

So biggest piece of evidence that Pants is older than he looks

[thick oyster]

Yeah I suppose

[brave marten]

well too bad I wanted to know asap

guess I'll have to wait until Snez

[thick oyster]

Yeah

He is. Arle says he rarely leaves

[brave marten]

where else would he be 😭 🙏

bro

it's Pantalone

[thick oyster]

He ain't in the Mare Jivari bro

[brave marten]

and what are the special circumstances 🥀

[river valve]

He's one of the governing forces of snezh

He IS there

[thick oyster]

Pants in the Mare Jivari

[brave marten]

I genuinely believe from the bits we have

Snez would collapse

without him

[brave marten]

bro keeps shooting until he lands one

[thick oyster]

Yes

Look at the first iron coin's description

[brave marten]

hold on I need to read it

this one right

lemme read

bro 😭 🙏

if you showed me this before I even heard about Reed Miller

I'd confidently say this is Pantalone

[thick oyster]

Mhm

[thick oyster]

My theory is that he's both the 4th Reed Miller and the head of the Voynich Guild
Playing both sides to get full victory

[brave marten]

is the 4th Reed Miller someone we already know exists

[thick oyster]

No

We only have a confirmed three

[brave marten]

oh okay

[thick oyster]

1. Avrelian
2. Alia
3. Brahe

[brave marten]

who's richer? him or Ningguang

[thick oyster]

He probably has more assets

But she probably has more raw wealth

[brave marten]

oh huh so it's possible he isn't dead?

[thick oyster]

Potential wealth

[brave marten]

I always found it hard to believe that she's richer than the guy who finances the FATUI

[thick oyster]

No his adopted dad was

So yeah he was probably human

[brave marten]

I hope Snez gives time for the rest of the harbingers and Pierro man

it feels way too stacked

[thick oyster]

Hiding from the smoke with Neuvi

[thick oyster]

Yeah

You can't rely on Columbina to do anything

She'll fuck it up somehow

[brave marten]

only good thing she's good at is killing off Dottore 😭 🙏

[river valve]

Well liyue is the city of money

[thick oyster]

The Moons - Betrayed the dragons
The Moons - Betrayed Phanes
The Moons - Didn't side with Nibelung
Columbina - Left her worshipers
Columbina - Left the Fatui

[river valve]

Couldn't even do it right

[thick oyster]

See a pattern?

[brave marten]

and Fontaine is the city of justice

[river valve]

Not by choice

The french were imperfect

Literally every 90s detective movie esk bad guy is fontainian

Mfs cant sit right

[brave marten]

moon themed characters and their adjacents in genshin are never to be relied on

[brave marten]

no

their "archon"

is a drama queen

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-kung-fu-trained-wrong-wimp-lo-gif-27152837

Nibelung describing the Moons:

Uncle Ruckus behavior

[river valve]

Lmao

The og were dumb af as well

[thick oyster]

She was cool

[river valve]

Fym trilunar syzygy was a mishap

🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

[brave marten]

wqait wait

whats the story again

I forgot

[river valve]

They mixed up the schedule and accidentally went to the sky at the same time

And paniced and hid behind eachother

[brave marten]

OH YEAH THAT

[river valve]

Fucking idiots

[brave marten]

idfk what was with hoyo doing that 😭 🙏

[vivid wasp]

Its kind of funny honestly

[river valve]

To uwu-fy every female character ever

[brave marten]

Tsaritsa save us

[vivid wasp]

She's going to get the worst treatment of them all

And I'll be glad for it 🙏

[brave marten]

why 🥀

[vivid wasp]

I just genuinely don't care about the Tsaritsa in the slightest

I mean I never did tbh but after Mavuika and Columbina I have 0 hope

I just want the Mare Jivari anyways
Every other storyline or plot point in this game can go fuck itself

[river valve]

Whats the point of a female character if you cant schizophrenicly fantasie about being in a romantic relationship with them like an inc*llic cave beast

Cmon now

[vivid wasp]

Idc honestly

[thick oyster]

I admit I have some faith still
Cause Nefer was a good start at least

And despite my agenda posting I actually did like Columbina in 6.3

I thought she was good there

[vivid wasp]

I have more faith in my "Mavuika is going to turn out to have done bad shit but then be redeemed" theory than the Tsaritsa turning out to be well written in the slighest

[thick oyster]

If the Tsaritsa is medium though we are fucked

[brave marten]

why

[vivid wasp]

She's 100% going to be

[thick oyster]

Because medium girls tend to be the uwu waifu types

[brave marten]

🥀

[thick oyster]

The tall ones get slightly more grace

Yeah

[vivid wasp]

Emphasis on slightly, Ei exists

[thick oyster]

Yeah...

[brave marten]

I still think Columbina's story is meh and her tragic backstory is a bit sad at best

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-under-the-rain-peter-parker-spider-man-spider-man-no-way-home-getting-caught-in-the-rain-gif-7139411253450572696

[brave marten]

I have some faith in the Tsaritsa still

I'm already seeing people who are saying that people since the start say she's benevolent and gentle but that misses the point

[vivid wasp]

I fucking despise Columbina
Not as much as I do Mavuika though
But at the very least Mavuika still has the possibility of gaining more to her character
I doubt Columbina will

[brave marten]

bro what did you leave out

[thick oyster]

Eh honestly if Columbina had a future arc with Neuvi or another dragon character I would warm up to her a lot
Because her voice line on Neuvi pisses me off

Also Arcadia and Hyperborea

[vivid wasp]

Mare Jivari, Golden Hall and Tsurumi Island is all I am playing the game for
So I'm significantly more fucked

[vivid wasp]

What does she aay

[thick oyster]

Ehhh possibly

[thick oyster]

She calls him "another dragon who puts people in prison" and that she "doesn't want to see him" or something like that

[vivid wasp]

And also the God of Light and Khraun-Arya

[thick oyster]

Khraun-Arya is Khaenri'ah