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brave marten
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it did appear in his intro theme back in Sumeru

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very very faint tho

lilac coral
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the random middle-eastern instruments cutting in are wicked

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that is, if they are middle-eastern 😭

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i'm not well versed in instruments and their origins

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gotcha

glad crypt
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this one

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don't have the cutscene one though cause the album isn't out yet

brave marten
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yeah I know

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sadly

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when does it release

lilac coral
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probably within the next month?

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they usually release a couple of weeks after each patch, right?

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or well, ones that introduce new music i mean

brave marten
lilac coral
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and since his is a boss theme, it'll probably be accompanied by its own standalone orchestral video

lilac coral
worldly rain
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Apart from the usual glitch ending is there any other plot points remaining for nod krai main story arc?
I feel every other plot point that started with 6.0 got it's closure for now (even Rerir for now)

glad crypt
glad crypt
lilac coral
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can i also add, while i'm almost done with this part of the quest, that i really appreciate them writing columbina as genuinely intelligent and not a ditsy little moon goddess girl

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like she's solving all this shit on her own while she's separated from everyone else, and has shown to be smart and clever throughout this entire section of nod krai

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when we had all those sneak peeks of her forever ago, i thought she was going to be ditsy/brainless, ngl 😭

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so i like that she actually has a capacity to think and problem solve on her own

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yeah

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i'm shocked and amazed (in a positive way)

glad crypt
worldly rain
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Hmm except for wild hunt and the woman in the center everything else is not related to main story arc for nod krai that started in 6.0

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Mystery woman... I thought it was tholindis but she's stuck in moon prison so i don't think it's the case anymore

lilac coral
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when people actually write women as women and not stereotypes, it's always a welcome change

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a very welcome surprise

worldly rain
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it's Rhine once again A_CryLaughTao

lilac coral
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yeah 😭

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dude i really don't wanna stop doing the aq, but i'm legit feeling sick from staring at the screen so long A_WheezeTao

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this is so captivating

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😭

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BACK TO THE RERIR CONVERSATION, IT'S LITERALLY SPELLED OUT IN WHITE TEXT AND SPOKEN INTO YOUR EARS

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how people can completely gloss over that is beyond me A_GaspTao

glad crypt
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btw rerir's boss themes, the wild hunt theme and the 3 osts that play during his memories are all composed by the same person

lilac coral
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damn

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wait, is it not the composer who replaced yu-yeng chen a few years back?

brave marten
lilac coral
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Y'ALL

brave marten
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each one of u =gives a diff answer

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5.3*

lilac coral
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also can i say i really like the scar vibes dottore's voice actor gives me with some of these lines

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he sounds so similar

brave marten
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brother

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5.3

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not 5.2

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then that makes sense more 🥀

brave marten
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okay why didnt they do it with 5.3

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my mind went to FMAB's Scar

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🥀

lilac coral
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yes scar from the lion king

brave marten
brave marten
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was thinking

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how the fuck does Scar resemble Dottore

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then got reminded Scar the lion exists

lilac coral
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also i find it really intriguing that dottore doesn't recognize wanderer
like it makes total sense, but i was expecting him to have some way around the irminsul like the witches do

worldly rain
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Hmm yeah that counts
We know his body was shattered but how did the soul escape? That remains to be explained...
Unless abyss helped somehow...

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True so like those pocket dimension we saw...

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Switched sides now she's working with abyss order and saving the sinners C_TaoHehe

lilac coral
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okay, i thought i was in the clear but it's just going to continue being cutscene after cutscene so imma take a break 😭

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enjoy your conversations

worldly rain
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Don't force yourself take your time

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Or since Ved is in the same domain as Istaroth
Asmoday is acting like double agent or something

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One thing I know is that istaroth amd asmoday are working together
Asmoday can't be wiped out from irminsul record without istaroth being involved
And the same is true of istaroth all her plan of creating causality in the past won't happen without space manipulation from asmoday

glad crypt
worldly rain
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I don't think nail has any relevance here

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Oh that yeah probably
Istaroth did put the 3 souls of zibai into her 3 discarded self and locked it into fake moon
So the dimension involved should be Asmoday

glad crypt
lilac coral
# glad crypt wdym

btw rerir's boss themes, the wild hunt theme and the 3 osts that play during his memories are all composed by the same person

i thought the guy who took over for the original composer of the game was still making all the music for it, is he not?

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because for the first 2 regions of the game, the music wa composed by (and, i might just be mispelling his name because it's been so long 😭 ) yu-yeng chen?

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yu-chen peng?

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yu-something

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he who creates incredible bangers

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yu-peng chen

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i was close

glad crypt
glad crypt
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who composed everything up to tsurumi island in genshin

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excluding stellar moments vol 2

lilac coral
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sonnet is so fucking pretty and this place looks cool 😭

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THEY'RE ALL GORGEOUS

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yeah, she just has a rosaria veil

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i am just drinking in how pretty they all look

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and i guess the greek theming has been there since the very beginning of the old world and not just for the humans that PO created at first

lilac coral
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nefer and lauma are my favorite possible lesbians

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i'm not done yet but i am internally screaming at the fact we finally get to learn that COLUMBINA IS THE REASON COLUMBINA IS BORN, IT WASN'T THE FUCKING MOON GODDESSES, SHE SANG HER OWN SONG TO GIVE HERSELF LIFE IN EXISTENCE

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THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GOING, RIGHT?

ebon iris
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Yes

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Ding ding ding ding

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Winner winner chicken dinner

lilac coral
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that cutscene was pretty 😭

glad crypt
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nope

tulip sonnet
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how did you guess

glad crypt
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he didn't compose anything for the 3.6 desert

lilac coral
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because all the other shit somehow wasn't enough for me to deduce she created herself in the past/future

tulip sonnet
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LMFAO

lilac coral
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4 hours later and it FINALLY CLICKED IN MY FUCKING BRAIN

glad crypt
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everything up to tsurumi island was composed by him

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from enkanomiya onwards he wasn't the sole composer of genshin anymore

lilac coral
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i didn't get to that part yet 😔

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but i'm not surprised the god of time birthed herself somehow

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even though everything else says PO did

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the what

sly bison
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iirc: from Columbina’s POV it seems to be pseudo time travel when she arguably may be traversing her ‘memories’ through her essence
See: how she’s only able to astral-manifest where Luoonotar or enough kuuvahki is present

thick oyster
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Finally finished the Lantern Rite

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Think I got a new theory

lilac coral
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HOLY SHIT THEY ACTUALLY KILLED SOMEONE ON SCREEN IN GENSHIN

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DAMN

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oh cool

lilac coral
thick oyster
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So the whole three deadly selves of Zibai reminded me of Azhdaha in his quests

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There were two Azhdahas, the one that went crazy and wanted to conquer Liyue and the one that posessed Kun Jun

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We see Zhizhi possesses people all throughout her quest like what the good Azhdaha did to Kun Jun to help Zhongli

ebon iris
lilac coral
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IGESRHTDJRFKDTYJSRHAZDNXFCMGDFBXZVS THAT CUTSCENEEEEEEE

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HER RETURN

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GAHH

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okay be back

thick oyster
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Well Azhdaha is a dragon

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Dormant somewhere like what Zibai's final self was sealed in the fake moon

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The only place that would fit is Blackcliff Forge since that's the only unexplored part of Liyue + it's stated to have ancient tribes and lands within

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No it's just to remove impure thoughts in general

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Zhongli is also the one who taught Zibai the three deadly selves stuff

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And it's mentioned that Zhongli "lent Azhdaha some of his power" when he was getting eroded

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The "power" in this case could have been the purification ritual

thick oyster
lilac coral
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i was so entranced by that cutscene i almost missed the first qte 😭

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why the fuck would they turn a cutscene like that into a sudden qte DTHRSEGA

thick oyster
ebon iris
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the whole cutscene and everything blindsided me

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so when qtes came up i was like OH SHIT

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aparrently they added QTEs now which ngl.

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really seamless transition from cutscene to gameplay

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also its great to see the charas fight

sweet dune
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i really dislike them

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because now that cutscene isn't in recollections

lilac coral
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LIKE IT CAME OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE MY HANDS ON THE KEYBOARD

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I GOT IT LAST SECOND AND WAS AFRAID OF ANOTHER ONE POPPING UP

lilac coral
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there were a few instances earlier in the archon quests like in sumeru, if memory serves

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just not in those cutscenes that have been a sacred place to simply sit back and watch for years 😭

thick oyster
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Yeah in an even weapon

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Let me find it

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The Forge was constructed by excavating the mountains, with countless workshops, furnaces, and connecting tunnels blasted black by dust.
In the tumultuous years when the fires of war dyed the land red, this place was also where the ancestors of the mountain tribes sought shelter.
It is even said that long-forgotten passages are within, tunnels to an ancient underground realm that lies in the deep places beneath the earth...

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Also Azhdaha tells Zhongli that they'll meet again

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So even he doesn't think his sealing is permanent

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What happens if you fail

ebon iris
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let me enjoy itttt

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it was very fun

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and cinematic

thick oyster
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I mean maybe

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I think it would be in Fontaine though

lilac coral
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also can i say, the inverted controls mechanic and dottore throwing you into his beta room was really cheeky and good but also really fucking annoying because i had 0 idea what the fuck was happening at first and thought my characters were possessed and not just inverted A_WheezeTao

thick oyster
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Then what do they even do

thick oyster
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Damn they really just put em in for no reason lmao

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Where is that mentioned again?

lilac coral
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FINALLY

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IDK HOW MANY HOURS LATER

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AND I CAN FINALLY OPEN THE PAUSE MENU

thick oyster
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Meropis could just be what the area his palace was in used to be called

lilac coral
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ALMOST 11 HOURS LATER

sweet dune
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:(

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nawt same

thick oyster
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"To draw lost spirits into the moon's gilded halls, a giant silver ship sailed into the harbor of Meropis."

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This implies Meropis is on the Moon

lilac coral
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i have 2 days left to get the version rewards for completing the aq A_GaspTao

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i've come this far

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5am won't be so bad

thick oyster
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Where does it say that

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Hmm ok then

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But I think Meropis is Remuria

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It was built on top of it

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Well it's probably completely gone now

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Remuria built on top it

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City of Ys is a French city

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Could be the dragons
They liked building underground

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Probably

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Could be the old hydro dragon capital

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Although its old name being City of Yith could mean Seutervoinen

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Because the Yith in Lovecraft's stories are aliens who swap bodies with people to gain knowledge on other civilizations

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Like how Seutervoinen posessed a boy and was a scribe beforehand

lilac coral
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random question but, is this the first time they've added a new region with the archon quest continuation and not used it at all for the archon quest itself?

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or am i just being crazy

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did they do this in inazuma too, i feel like they didn't and used different islands for the aq and not just the two starting ones

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and sumeru at least used aaru village when the desert released

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it WHAT

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you mean, the universe outside teyvat didn't know teyvat even existed until now???

thick oyster
thick oyster
brave marten
thick oyster
brave marten
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alright thanks

lilac coral
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this was so magical to witness 😭

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god help me these ENVIRONMENTS

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THEY JUST THROW ONE AFTER THE OTHER AT YOU WITH ALL THIS GORGEOUS MUSIC AND EVERYTHING

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columbina just humming while she waits for us A_GaspTao

glad crypt
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@odd thicket ashikai vid

lilac coral
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the splash art for the new outfit is so good 😭

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OH JESUS i jumped for the first time and had no idea they actually gave the moon less gravity

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i'm pretty sure i did from leaks

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i just didn't see the actual splash art

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something about them traveling with the DNA of an entire civilization

glad crypt
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watching rn

lilac coral
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well, the ending quest screen certainly felt a little disconcerting A_GaspTao

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why did it glitch out??

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we didn't get a character story 4 after this? A_GaspTao

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and the sword matches so much better with the new outfit, i love it

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glad crypt
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i should do that quest

glad crypt
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@odd thicket

tulip sonnet
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WHY DOES MY AETHER LOOK LIKE ANTHONY BRIDGERTON

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ANTHONY

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like

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THAT FUCKASS DRESS

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YES

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JONATHAN YES

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NO

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ITS TOO

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HUGE

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he looks like a bridgerton character during balls

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wait yes

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id lowk fw this

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fr

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that man is fruity asf

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make him more fem

glad crypt
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what do you think

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i still think it's time travel

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columbina in the moons reflection

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you don't like ashikai's theory?

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wdym

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how

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no way that works

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unless they combined the world formula with them bringing the frost moon back into the false sky

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that means columbina is also the cause and effect

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right

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what about columbina's role as the mysterious ally

glad crypt
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that takes away columbina's agency

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she creates herself

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anyways

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i wonder what the next nod krai area will be

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when

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not true

worldly rain
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@odd thicket I wonder if anyone understood the world formula outside of it's application

glad crypt
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prove it

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columbina did not get help from istaroth in act 7 and 8

worldly rain
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Nope something about transcending beyond...
"what we speak of is the act of overlaying your dream upon the dream of gods...
We do not speak of following emanations to achieve ascension to the ranks of gods. This is a base dream doomed to perish within an eggshell. What I aim to teach you all is the principle of transcendence, the infinite expanse, and the innumerable stars within it. "

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But still don't get most of it in technical terms

glad crypt
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did you watch ashikai's vid about it

worldly rain
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Nope what did she say?

glad crypt
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i'd watch it

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she connected it to irminsul though

worldly rain
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@odd thicket so according to Rene the world inside the false sky is basically a manifestation of the god's dream
And so using world formula you overlap your own dream upon theirs
And the point is to transcend beyond this or something

glad crypt
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watch the vid

worldly rain
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Like if you just take what sandrone says in crude way it's basically changing the "rules"

glad crypt
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did you watch it

worldly rain
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Nope

glad crypt
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why not

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you should

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how do you know

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unreliable

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columbina didn't get help from anyone

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to do what she did

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columbina doesn't need istaroth's help though

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istaroth had no involvement

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that was columbina herself

worldly rain
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Marionette: Ugh. You're such a greenhorn. This isn't the kind of formula you solve in math class. It's a highly complex algorithm capable of constructing a framework of rules.

The formula creates the new framework for the rules
That's why they were able to connect the past and present and create some sort of gateway in between to bring columbina soul

This much is already told in the story

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What's difficult to understand is the underlying technicalities that's present in Rene notes

glad crypt
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@worldly rain debunk this

worldly rain
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No it created the new framework entirely
Basically what Rene says "overlapping your dream over God dream"

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That was already told to be the kuvaahki spread over the nod krai region
It's Columbina's body itself

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She didn't at least not directly being involved herself she didn't
As for the hymns mention we'll probably get that part later
But if I had to assume something to do with sparing the frost moon
Otherwise causality wouldn't exist

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But still nothing to do with golden threads

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That's the technical part that's not clear for now because we don't know what these 3 elements and 4 elements are...
But the outcome is clear and already told as well as the broad understanding of it's working

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I can guess 3 above is the moon and their cycle and 4 below is the shades and their rules
But what do they actually represent entirely...I'm not sure

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Amd overlapping them we get the seven "pathway" which should be the 7 elements

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3 above kingdom 4 below firmament

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The 3 pertains to motion
While their metaphysical origin is the emanation of the 4...
Whatever this means C_TaoHehe

worldly rain
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Intrinsic is also 4 lol

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3 was appearance

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I don't know about this

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No he doesn't mention her

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Where?

glad crypt
worldly rain
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Alright finished the video
I understand her theory but still doesn't answer few things from Rene notes

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Or maybe I'm looking too much into the notes

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I don't understand

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Where's the process defined? I forgot

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But that was the cycle theory related to rise and fall of civilization not related to alchemy

worldly rain
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Where does he say Rhine swapped anything though?
He's just mentioning the red phase as the truth while yellow being bait and says khanerria would find the truth for gold's sake

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I did he's just describing the 4 phases of alchemy with gold being the final

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Rene says red is truth

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Right but what does it mean? Like what was the context?

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Why does it matter if Rhine used gold as final and albedo used red

river valve
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Rhinedottir HATES the color red

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Who else is even using alchemy

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In teyvat

worldly rain
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Probably because of their priority as Rene told but its not like the creation stoped or anything because of that

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"The alchemists of Khaenri'ah are prone to disregard metaphysical sentiment and affect, pursuing instead the gold of the ignorant within the material world. "

river valve
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They're materialistic

worldly rain
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So then would it be correct to assume this is the 4 particles beneath the firmament as Rene mentioned?

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The 4 step of alchemy

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And khanerrians focused on gold

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Instead of red (truth)

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With black and white being the first two

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Hmm...then would the 3 particles above be
Soil, chalk and permeance?

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Either I cooked here or burnt the kitchen C_TaoHehe

river valve
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Idk wtf permeance is

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But soil and chalk makes sense

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Since albedo is the kreideprinz

worldly rain
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She used chalk for albedo

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And soil for those hounds

worldly rain
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2 days remaining for luna 5
No drip no leaks...sad A_HuPensive

lilac coral
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And varka was dripped like a month in for god knows why 😭

lilac coral
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is this the second "bastard" we get in genshin? Pog

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A THIRD TIME

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this guy loves calling this thing a bastard, i love it

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i love the fact that they are giving this one character, anleifer, pretty much any opportunity to swear/semi-swear A_WheezeTao

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as much as they can while keeping their rating

lilac coral
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the fact that this part of the world quest is no longer 3rd person, but through the eyes of illuga himself 😭

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dude, even attacking is from his perspective A_GaspTao

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just seeing the sword slash in front of you

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i really like this perspective

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this also gave me as much of an internal fright as it did when i plunged into the unopened whirlpool on watatsumi for the first time 😭

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lilac coral
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could y'all imagine if we used the lighthouse railgun to shoot celestia

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also this battle music when this thing gets whipped out is banger

ebon iris
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sandrone was this fucking close

lilac coral
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😭

ebon iris
queen prawn
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It get deflect and destroy her palace

ebon iris
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while im expecting her to fight against the heavens i am not expecting it to end well for all the harbingers and pierro and the tsaritsa LMAO

queen prawn
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If you see an area with no chest or any major exploration world quest and reward and is related to Tsarista/Fatui ,you know that place is gone in future AQ

ebon iris
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lmao

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if hoyo have the balls to make the HP or something destroy part of the ingame world like permanently

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i would lose it

queen prawn
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The closest to it is Fontaine tower,if you didnt get the chest,they will be underwater when it sank

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But there were only like 2 chest there so it didnt matter

ebon iris
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damn

worldly rain
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Will we get preload this time?

lilac coral
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whenever they've done that, they've made it so the chests can appear elsewhere

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the lightkeepers?

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they didn't exist simultaneously with the yperboreans, did they

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the hyperboreans used the lightkeeper's cannon?

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oh they did?

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also i'm curious to see when we'll get the expansion north of kipumaki cliff, considering it has this floating island behind it

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ohhh okay

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which alia world quest

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i've done all the major world quests, my brain just might be fried from playing genshin for like 12 hours yesterday and going to sleep at 5:30am 😭

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the beginning of the aq?

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or do you mean the one with the mirrors where we talk to her and eventually have to fight the crab

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oh okay

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i did that one

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oh, i did that one too

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i only asked because we meet someone named alia at the pillar of embla to do that whole world quest with that and kipumaki cliff and i was like "wow, she looks different" and forgot where else i'd seen her A_WheezeTao

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wait you mean you didn't mispell her name

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there's an aila and an alia?

ebon iris
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its confusing LMAO

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but its kinda the point

lilac coral
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ah 😭

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cool

lilac coral
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the cliff just has a small inlet behind it and a spiky island the size of a teapot island

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although i did get a good angle to compare before and after for when snezhnaya is added (assuming those islands/mountains north of fontaine and nod krai will be snezhnaya and not another random region addition like nod krai)

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and we should get an expansion at some point because we only get the statues to level 8/10 so now i'm wondering where that expansion will be

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maybe the tiny islands to the west?

worldly rain
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Preload out

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No site updated
Can't read weapon lore A_HuPensive

lilac coral
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for now

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if it only just now allowed preload, the sites that parse info aren't going to automatically have everything done instantly A_WheezeTao

sly bison
lilac coral
lilac coral
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The story behind varka's signature weapon kleePray

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A really nice look into mondstadt in the past and the first and second knight of andrius

sly bison
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I cannot wait to see Kc’s reaction to a lorebomb in the event quest soon

worldly rain
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Read Varka lore and his weapon lore too
Interesting stuff about him and past knight of boreus lore
One other interesting thing was about ||variables and they mentioned few of them
So Xbal, Rene, Arundolyne|| are mentioned as such

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Alright fixed the wrong stuff C_TaoHehe

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Grandmaster of spear and blade from liyue what was his name again? I forgot but ||he's also one of the variables||

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@odd thicket about that theory of men of lithin I found another flaw C_TaoHehe

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So remember how I said vision holder could be the ones getting reincarnated?

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Yeah but vision only started some 2k years ago after the archon war ended C_TaoHehe

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So it doesn't fit now

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No that's the point lol

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So this part of theory immediately collapses

brave marten
worldly rain
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When moon sisters were still alive

brave marten
worldly rain
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Yes

brave marten
worldly rain
worldly rain
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I don't remember

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Ye it was mostly related to identity of vision holders only that part don't fit anymore but rest still works kinda

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The key take away from men of lithin is definitely the psychohistory...

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A little search on google and this was what it says

Psychohistory is a fictional, mathematical social science from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series that predicts the future behavior of large populations, such as the fall of civilizations, by analyzing historical data and social stimuli. It blends psychology, sociology, and mathematics to forecast societal trends while remaining unable to predict individual actions.

Kinda similar to what fate is in genshin especially as seen in varka teaser trailer

thick oyster
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Maybe the phoenix is the Pyro Sovereign's reincarnation

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I.E. Enjou

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And like how Neuvillette will judge all the gods

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No

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They're the primordial life forms

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Kukulkan does

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And they're brothers

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Plus we don't know Xiuhcoatl's original form

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His boss form is Gosoythoth corrupted

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Rhinedottir keeps making dragons
Perhaps she viewed them as a form of perfection

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As a part of the Lavawalker set

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Something to do with Enjou then

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Or he is the phoenix

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He's already in the "Albedo" process of change since he joined the Abyss Order
Him looking for his homeland is the Rubdeo process

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albedo is the process of change

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Not until he finds his homeland

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No it's the final

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Where does it say that

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He calls them red and gold

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No

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Neither say that

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Ok

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But Albedo is Rhine's magnum opus

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So which process is right

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why

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Rene could be wrong

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He was pretty crazy

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Yeah

thick oyster
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Good animation

lilac coral
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the fish is canon

frank wolf
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People are calling how the fish claymore is another of his Best in Slots. Now besides the whole thing, I want to ask in the main chat about something.

ebon iris
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i fucking noticed that and was like

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wtf is rhine's cat doin around here

lilac coral
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rhine has a cat?

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is that from skirk quest or something

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i noticed the space cat but thought it was a little teaser to something LOL

ebon iris
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sebas (the galaxy blue and yellow cat) is rhine's butler in a sense

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i believe he first showed up in one of the witchs homework quests

lilac coral
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oh cool

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and maybe he did and i just don't remember 😭

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i kinda zoned out for most of them ngl

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unless it was from a character i don't own

ebon iris
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its ok hes just a chill guy

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guess rhine has a cat now

lilac coral
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yeah i don't remember him

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maybe he was during durin or albedo's

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he looks cool though

thick oyster
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But I think he introduces himself in Albedo's

lilac coral
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okay then that's why

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i don't have either of them

ebon iris
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i swear i thought durins story quest at least had sebas in it

thick oyster
lilac coral
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IT DOES??

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WHAT BIRD

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what bird looks like this 😭

Gt0CrX9XkAAHti1.png
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he looks like a bottom-heavy godzilla to me

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and was a lizard instead of a bird

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and it had arms instead of wings

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and it was made of rocks not fire

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bakunawa?

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is rock

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cool

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unless you mean it as exclusively rhine's take on a phoenix?

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gotcha

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i thought you were saying it was the phoenix in general 😭

#

The Minokawa is a gigantic, dragon-like bird in Philippine mythology, particularly within Bagobo folklore, believed to be large enough to swallow the Sun or Moon, thus causing eclipses. Described as having metallic feathers, steel talons, and mirror-like eyes, it resides in outer space and was believed to threaten to devour the Earth.

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it would fit with natlan

ebon iris
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oh hey minokawa mention

lilac coral
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considering this is what the bakunawa is in folklore

The Bakunawa is
a colossal sea serpent or dragon in Philippine mythology believed to cause eclipses, earthquakes, and storms by attempting to swallow the moon. Often described as having a red tongue and a massive mouth, this mythical creature is deeply rooted in Visayan and Bicolano folklore, symbolizing darkness and chaos.

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minokawa and bakunawa are arch enemies in a sense/complete opposites

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and the bakunawa in the game definitely feels like it fits most of the bill of the bakunawa of folklore

ebon iris
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i dont remember if theyre supposed to oppose each other

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but they are both calamities

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one eats the sun, the other eats the moon

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theres a whole childrens game around it

lilac coral
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but yeah, just feel like the bakunawa would be the bakunawa and not the mikawa 😭

ebon iris
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yea and the only way to get them to not eat the moon was to make a big enough racket for it to go "wtf" and open its mouth

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so the moon escapes

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filipino mythology is kinda weird

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lots and lots of noise

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the bagobo people from mindanao would scream and cry

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and bang these agongs together

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and the bird would look down to open its mouth

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and thats how the moon escapes

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mhm

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and these agungs are basically just the equivalent of drums

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or well, gongs tbh

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something interesting of note is that the indigenous people would use these for a variety of reasons

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one of them included rituals and dealing with the supernatural

lilac coral
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or mikawa, since apep is from an entirely different region + real life culture kekw

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unless you mean in-game apep?

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gotcha

ebon iris
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well specifically

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the Maguindanao people believed that if u struck an agung long and fast enough it would make a "baru baru" sound

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and that was supposed to stop earthquakes

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or at least, lessen their impact

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which makes sense when u remember the archipelago of the phillippines literally sits on the ring of fire

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and is suspectible to earthquakes and volcanic eruptions

lilac coral
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yep

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they were forgotten yet again

ebon iris
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rhinedottir unironically gotta be the only filipino rep we have in genshin since she made bakunawa 😭 bro

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maybe the next time we defeat bakunawa for good we put on a rock concert or something

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im sure it would love a kulintang ensemble performance

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whatever it turns into, if we can make enough noise we can tell it to fuck off

thick oyster
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I think he is the phoenix

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He wears its feathers after all

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Yeah

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Well if he is the pyro sovereign then it would be a parallel to how the pyro vishaps devolved into the bird saurians

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The dragons are perfect at evolution

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They are the primordial beings of the world

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Enjou will be whole when he returns to his homeland

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I wonder if Kukulkan used alchemy to make Och-Kan

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He's kind of reminiscent of Durin

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His human soul and dragon body rejected each other

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He would have gotten along with the Moons

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Being racist towards their dragon families

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Yeah

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The perfect race traitor

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The kids were nice to him when he was young

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Also Ixlel bowed to him

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Yeah she recognized his bloodline and told him everything she knew
Then he betrayed her and locked her up

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No

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Och-Kan shared food with them

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He put on a mask then when he was grown

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No it happend at the same time

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Where does it say that

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No she recognized his bloodline as Xiuhcoatl's nephew

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He was imprisoned at some point

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Humans didn't know

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He was identical to humans as a kid

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ok

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After Och-Kan was overthrown yeah

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After he became a dictator

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Crazy how Och-Kan set back Natlan 5000 years
They'd have Khaenri'ah levels of tech if they didn't scrap all the dragon tech

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The Array could have

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They were still loyal to Och-Kan and got banished for it

thick oyster
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Probably drive to extinction

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Well they didn't mention Tenochzitoc until 5.8

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That was the Mare Jivari

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Ok

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Crazy how Mavuika let an entire tribe get slaughtered
What a bum

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Yeah so she let 7 other people do it for her

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And she did nothing

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Didn't do anything

#

I forget which one sealed it for good

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No it was a Pyro Archon

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Isaja

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Isaja was the one who completed it

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No

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He succeeded

#

He said he completed the task

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It was intact
The Bakunawa was sealed for good

#

The take was to seal the Bakunawa for good

#

There were no other names after Isaja

#

Youre forgetting the quest

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No it doesn't
They just succeeded in keeping the Bakunawa stuck

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Before Isaja

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Isaja's was the last

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Maybe

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Only in the past
The Wanderer's Troupe was 1000 years ago

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After The Cataclysm they became separate

#

No

#

We dk how that happened yet do we

#

Venti is a fraud

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Bum ass couldn't get rid of it for good

#

Bums of a feather
Flock together

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He pushed it off the time line

#

It was merely a fraction of Istaroth's power

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That Venti used

#

Yeah
In its own pocket dimension

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So to speak

#

No

#

Source

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That just means its omnipresent in its defined area
Not that Istaroth is fighting the Bakunawa

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Venti just did it with a fraction of her power

#

Because it's outside time

#

Would even the dragons have encountered it

#

Well the current Mare interacted with the past Mare

#

So only after the first war

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Breaking out temporarily into different spots of time

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Not fully
Only Sinners are completely immune from other authorities

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Not fully
It can still explode

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Yeah
Like how Durin was a skeleton but his heart still beat

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Bakunawa has moon powers in it

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So it has part of their authorities in it

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The blue and red rocks on it are similar to Nod-Krai

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Also the symbol on its chest is nearly identical to the Frostmoon Scions' symbol

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It's not smart enough to do that

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Plus it wouldn't corrupt Istaroth

#

The Moons are already dead

#

No

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It can't do that

#

Otherwise the Crimson Moon would have done that to Sonnet

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Back when she was normal

#

It is

#

It was in its own separate dimension too

#

And was the Abyss leeching off Sonnet's power

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Neither is Bakunawa

#

Bakunawa is only described as having a transcendental Abyss power not one over the Shades

#

So does The Crimson Moon
Even after the moon marrow was gone it persisted

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It also projected itself as still being whole

#

No

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It was like that from the beginning

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It was Sonnet's attempt to avoid death

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And it succeeded at a cost

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To try and stop Columbina and Traveler

worldly rain
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what relevance would a philosopher stone have in genshin plot anyway? we already have immortals in this world...

lost quail
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Whats a philosopher stone?

worldly rain
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Alchemical substance that was thought to help convert metals into gold and create elixir that grants immortality

worldly rain
#

No I'm saying the stuff philosopher stone would allow is already been done in game
Khanerriaha already could create gold
We have immortals too

lilac coral
#

What the fuck is happening in 6.5 😭

#

All these leaks are insane

#

Like, batshit insane

#

Just wanted to air out my confusion and amazement

#

Anyway, VARKA ALMOST HERE

worldly rain
#

Nothing we already have the final product it already happened

worldly rain
#

Literally lore bomb will be dropped next update

lilac coral
thick oyster
#

It's the same VA but Istaroth's voice sounds different

#

She's usually more somber than Venti's voice

#

Unlikely

#

The planet was ruined and the sun wasn't supernova

#

Yeah I remember that

#

Nibelung couldn't be born there
He was in the Primordial Sea

#

No sea on a burnt planet

#

Nurtured by it

#

The Aubade set reveals it

#

She can't be born in the lava

#

We know it's one of the few things that remained mostly unchanged
Since Egeria was made from the planet's natural resources

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Idk

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It would look like this though

lilac coral
#

They'd have to be oceans made of a different material in liquid form instead of water, since water would just evaporate into nonexistence

#

Oh you meant fictional not irl

#

My bad

thick oyster
#

I got Varka

#

Couldn't get his sword yet though

#

I got Mona on my first Varka pull 😭

#

Used the rest to get him

#

So then I only had like two pulls for his claymore

#

Idk how much pity I have since I don't wish on the weapon banner often

#

Yeah

#

I do have most of the new Nod-Krai area left to do

#

I think so

#

Hopefully

#

If not then idk
Is the fish claymore good on him

#

Though I do have a Serpent Spine I could slap on him

#

Fucked up they ain't even giving us a free claymore this event

#

Just a skin

#

Guess it'll be good for Mona I guess

#

Why tf are they releasing a new area with Linnea instead of Varka

ebon iris
#

?

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what are u implying?

#

the nod krai wings right

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uhhh ok u need to make the connection for me

#

bc i still dont get it fully

#

its very king in yellow esque

#

hell yea he does

lilac coral
#

You didn't know?

#

He had one in 1.0 for the aq iirc

#

Oh hey, apparently he also voiced bosacius

#

He is lol

#

I tried to fight his boss with him and he was doing like 3k damage and I thought it was something wrong with my build- but the fucking rock gecko just has insane resistance to him for... Some reason? 😭

#

Because he was doing 50k per slash to regular elite enemies later

#

It just wants anything that can destroy shields, so geo or claymores

#

Does that work too? I didn't try it

#

I was just using double geo + gaming

#

Ye

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Zhongli EQ, yunjin EQ, Gaming E CA would get it down to one bar

#

Then just a few NA and it's done

#

What's good is the thing you attack is part of the boss, so attacking it gives energy like it would if you hit the boss on the ground

#

Yeah but she's my only other built geo

#

Other than Noelle but then what would be the point lol

#

Gaming does more damage even at base

#

Ah yes my level 1 kachina

#

Would definitely survive that scream that takes like 10k hp

#

It does damage beyond the shield

#

It ignores it

#

And does damage to your characters directly

#

And then you need to heal them to max to remove the effect

#

Which is pointless if they have enough hp anyway

#

Yeah

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The one from other nod krai beasts

ebon iris
#

man

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||that final cutscene is presented so well||

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||im looking forward to seeing this caliber of presentation again soon||

#

Man

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I hate Mondstadt

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You wanna know why

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BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL SAD

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

worldly rain
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They are

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Except for few ones that you get randomly

#

Yes it's similar to how you get flins one or jahoda one while doing artifact domain

worldly rain
#

Only few but yeah

sly bison
#

He learned from Jahoda

worldly rain
#

||abyss still used his memories so the fake roland still had all the qualities of og basically
Might also be some remnant of his consciousness lingering still as when Varka put the letter he says read it out for him to the sword... ||

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||nah I don't think so he died 500 years ago and gave up his consciousness and memories to abyss
That much is told in the story itself||

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||yeah alright he gave up his humanity not his life so real one fate is still undisclosed as of now||

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Nope boar princess is definitely the first angle but she wasn't relevant in the quest

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||Also we never got the name of the first knight of boreus... ||

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||so if you read the weapon lore it says he was from cold North which is nod krai basically||

#

Yes but that's how most of story goes
But the hidden truth exist
And that's basically the identity of those boars as angel
So their princess obviously will be first angle

#

It's as Nicole says fictional story based on real events and character but still fictional

#

So for example the connection between boreus and first angle is real but everything else might be just fictional stuff

#

I wouldn't look into it that way... As I said it's fictional tale using real life character that's all
Like according to story boar princess was the princess of mondstad but that's not remotely true about first angle

#

I'm not sure as it was only later when he left the selee court which is in nod krai btw that he met him

#

Nope might get something in event I guess but for now nope

#

It's the same as crimson eyed youth aka 2nd pyro archon who overthrew ochkan
His name also never got revealed

#

Neither was the name for the one who overthrew decarabian

#

Yeah but that not an excuse C_TaoHehe

#

Unless they actually have some meaning behind hiding their names
If not then well whatever I guess makes for good mystery at least

#

The closest we have whose name we do know is wanderer

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And the world forgot

#

Her too but maybe that's different case as nobody remember they even exist
Unlike these people who at least survive in legends

#

So not entirely the same I guess

#

@odd thicket further proof of that thing that I said about men of lithin stuff about vision
||Even without the favor of a Vision, mankind is still capable of monumental feats.
In Natlan, the human king led heroes toward the divine throne||
From varka vision story

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Yeah they're called variables
But anyway as I said it crushes my men of lithin theory about vision holders C_TaoHehe

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Oh there's definitely some truth there for example the whole psychohistory

#

Psychohistory is a fictional, mathematical social science from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series that predicts the future behavior of large populations, such as the fall of civilizations, by analyzing historical data and social stimuli.

Like you can see the basis of inspiration behind fate system

#

It's something ashikai also talked about iirc

#

Yes men of lithin talks about it how history is designed

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And we saw in Varka trailer how fate worked too

#

It calculated future paths

#

So it definitely is predicting different routes

#

World formula probably does the same by reverse engineering or something

worldly rain
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It was nothingburger lol

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I haven't watched either I just read it on ambr

#

Not planning on getting varka so might as well just read it and be done

reef anchor
#

who finished Varka SQ ||why did fake Roland or Ved did all that 🥀 ||

ebon iris
#

lets hear it

ebon iris
brave marten
thick oyster
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So it was a ||fake!||

#

I'm always right!

brave marten
thick oyster
brave marten
#

well two things to be precise

thick oyster
thick oyster
brave marten
#

and second|| how likely do you think it is that the real Roland is alive somewhere?||

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and what did you think I was going to ask you

thick oyster
brave marten
thick oyster
thick oyster
#

Could be foreshadowing for Capitano

brave marten
#

yeah I was about to bring it up

#

after asking everything

thick oyster
#

And getting Boreas' power helps that

brave marten
thick oyster
brave marten
#

because

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as far I understood

thick oyster
brave marten
#

what happened in the SQ

#

had Vedrfolnir behind it

thick oyster
brave marten
#

yeah I know

#

it's just I don't understand why he made Roland attack Mond

thick oyster
#

Which eventually had The Wild Hint recreate him as their new leader

brave marten
#

the fake Roland at least

thick oyster
#

They say Vedrfolnir isn't involved in this

#

Or at least doesn't interfere directly very often

brave marten
#

yeah but he's behind the curtains from my understanding

thick oyster
#

Ehh I'm not so sure

brave marten
#

we have a slight confirmation that the abyss that seduces people is Vedrfolnir going off Roland's flashback no?

thick oyster
brave marten
#

conjured up a fake Roland

thick oyster
#

But it seems Roland more stumbled upon him when he went to Khaenri'ah not Vedrfolnir seeking him out

thick oyster
brave marten
#

hmm

#

why did the wild hunt try to invade Mond?

thick oyster
brave marten
#

huh

#

it's that simple?

#

did it follow Boreas' path because the new leader they conjured is Roland?

thick oyster
brave marten
#

huh

#

I suppose that makes sense a bit

#

a fake Roland attacking Mond makes far more sense than the real Roland doing it

#

even if he still spews bs about chivalry and honor

thick oyster
brave marten
#

yeah but it's not the same one since even Roland back then wouldn't attack Mond

#

well

#

makes sense a bit I suppose

#

I also liked how they explained the purpose of the expedition

thick oyster
brave marten
#

Varka's expedition makes more sense with the SQ

thick oyster
brave marten
#

aame

#

same

#

a bit disappointed in that end

thick oyster
#

Won't be too long till she's important to the main quest though I expect

brave marten
#

Hyperborea is part of Snezhnaya's patch release tho I think

#

probably after Snezhnaya's AQs

thick oyster
brave marten
#

ehh a summer patch

#

I wouldn't rely on it much ngl

thick oyster
brave marten
#

I suppose

#

we'll see

#

now to the last part

thick oyster
#

Also this could be cope but Varka says he'll be heading back to Nod-Krai too
So maybe he'll be involved with Rerir's revival/Dottore's Rerir mech

brave marten
#

maybe

#

not much till we know

#

so did they basically give a feasible way to separate Capitano's soul from the lord of the night while keeping his immortal body to sustain the night kingdom?

thick oyster
#

But Yohual is probably immortal on her own now

brave marten
#

are you saying he can keep his body?

thick oyster
#

Though Capitano should want to retain some control over the Ley Lines

thick oyster
brave marten
#

pity

brave marten
thick oyster
#

Project Stuzha and all

brave marten
#

yeah

#

wonder if Capitano is coming back before it starts

#

or at its end

thick oyster
#

Also I want Cap to have some power up

thick oyster
#

Since they're hyping it up for Sneznahya

brave marten
thick oyster
brave marten
#

please keep his current design please

thick oyster
#

Just that

brave marten
thick oyster
brave marten
#

back then

#

when Natlan dropped

#

I assumed they changed his design around a bit

#

but I guess it just has some meaning?

#

the fact they used the lazzo design for Varka's teaser

thick oyster
brave marten
#

I just want the mask

#

to stay

#

and the blackish aura behind it

thick oyster
brave marten
#

I meant the uh

#

behind the mask

#

how his face is black

thick oyster
brave marten
#

I want it to stay like that

thick oyster
#

||They weren't lies though||

#

||Khaenri'ah was cursed into hillichurls||

#

Yeah I know

#

Roland doesn't bring up the hillichurls though

thick oyster
#

Yes

worldly rain
#

It's not his creation...

#

||it's abyss itself imitating him because Rerir is no longer there to lead wild hunt so abyss had to latch on to something else and they found Roland memories within abyss because he gave up his humanity when he took the abyss offer||

#

Abyss is different from abyss order hopefully no one forgets that

#

No it was wild hunt

#

Yes and it's explained by Albedo why they took the form of ||Roland||

#

Nothing to do with Ved

#

Nope

#

Abyss order is not the same as abyss

#

What ved is doing is his own thing
What stuff like wild hunt does it it's own thing
Is ved using abyss to further his goal maybe but he's not directly involved

#

Because he isn't involved directly with wild hunt business

#

Abyss itself has it's own consciousness
It's wild in nature yes but that's the natural force we're dealing with anyway

#

It wasn't planning meticulously

#

Albedo already explained what was happening

#

Yes || it was natural instinct like when one organs fail other replaces it||

#

Abyss replaced ||Rerir with Roland||

#

||Again the clone was made by abyss itself using the memories of that moment that still resided not because Ved did something to wild hunt or even planned anything||

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No the condition was made when Rerir vacated his role
And that itself was dottore's doing not related to ved either

#

You're taking the agency of abyss away
That's not how it works C_TaoHehe
Entire natlan story is telling abyss is it's own thing

#

Bennett quest tells the same

#

Because other nation didn't have a sinner to lead

#

Rerir didn't exist anywhere else

#

But you don't know that the game hasn't told anything like that
As for why because mond is the closest to North region form where wild hunt started

#

As well as the fate showed varka the same

#

Why fate showed that? Who knows..

#

They don't need to travel Fontaine
We don't have full map of North yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist in canon

#

I wouldn't think too much actually C_TaoHehe
Wild hunt can just teleport I guess

#

Eh we'll see I guess|| the abyss plan failed anyway||

#

I mean this much is pretty much known
He's acting in similar ways to Istaroth ||but in reverse||

#

||istaroth goes from future to past which itself acts as causality for that future...

Ved on the other hand has been shown to go from past to future where he's already seen future events and has been influencing past events since to create future

Both want thier version of future but go about it in different time||

ebon iris
#

Oh? Is it something new

#

Like what happened

brave marten
#

AG?

#

🥀

#

who's doing allat after getting the wings

#

are the wings good on anyone?

#

ill see

#

tomorrow

#

🥀

ebon iris
#

||she wants to assassinate varka||

#

thats it

brave marten
#

wasn't it just a joke

ebon iris
#

||varka will be dead in 3 days||

#

||venti is already writing his obituary||

#

||pretty sure she was tryna get ideas for her book or whatever||

#

oh

brave marten
#

I remember

#

in 6.2's AQ

#

when traveler and paimon were surprised that Alice mentioned the HP casually

#

and she said they can do nothing to me

#

I assume bringing up their names

#

makes them aware

#

clearly

#

and besides it's a chinese game

#

chinese novels that have similar concepts to genshin

#

and similiar inspirations

#

like using the concept of mention the real name of gods makes them aware of your existence

#

not really

#

well

#

ones that are inspired by uhhhhh

#

what was its name

#

beats me

#

what's pjo

#

I had lovecraft in my mind tbh

#

but im not sure if that concept came from lovecraft

#

but I do know that the most popular chinese novel in the last 10 years is heavily inspired by lovecraft

#

I've noticed a lot of similarities between it and genshin

ebon iris
#

i heard bloodborne

#

they should put the physical manifestation of the moon's presence in game

#

that would fit very well i think

thick oyster
#

The Abyss as a whole is eldritch though

#

Gosoythoth is literally named after Yogsothoth

#

Wdym

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We got part of it in Natlan

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We get it in world quests though

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Narzissenkreuz tapped into eldritch stuff here and there

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Also the chicken Abyss guys that just came out

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yea thats pretty close tbh

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it has to take on that weird form bc of teyvats laws

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well theres ur cosmic horror i guess

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Also
The stuff in Natlan about people going insane and getting visions when they were digging into Ixlel's well

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Och-Kan got a vision of the dragons' empire and burned everything down

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Also I think Sumeru lore has a Lovecraft reference

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Also the bunker stuff in Nod-Krai was pretty spooky
Not really eldritch though

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Sci-fi horror
Which tbf Lovecraft was a big fan of

brave marten
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oh

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huh

thick oyster
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The bird forms are just what Teyvat forces them into

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so they actually from beyond the planet?

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did they go through because of rotwang's fuckery?

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no I mean how did they get in

thick oyster
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But I don't think he did it

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yeah guessed as much

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then what else

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aren't they around

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his eye I assume

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I'm hoping they use the concept of the great ones in genshin eventually

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