・lore-basement

[sly bison]

Sara, Dori, Candace, etc

[river valve]

https://youtu.be/W8katH5Cb8A?si=x3hGCDHwQ7gozjae

Legendary fyp pull

[lilac coral]

What do you guys think of this?

Spoiler?? Maybe?? I guess?? Funny loud noise sounds like glacial ice

https://youtube.com/shorts/HrO_B2KuPBE?si=Y7cwPa-ho2p78nxL

A random bg sound that happens in every region and sounds like crackling/crumbling noises like you would when a glacier starts breaking apart

Do you think their guess about it being the sky/firmament falling apart might be onto something?

[reef axle]

Wonder if it happens only after doing the AQ or not

[lilac coral]

Oooh good question

I have my alt, I could see

[reef axle]

Would be a big clue if it's intentional or just random bg sound effects

[queen prawn]

I will check when Im home since I haven't done it

[lilac coral]

Is it?

I figured it was just a weird noise like when you could supposedly hear bakunawa from the western island

I haven't done the quest so I have literally no idea LOL

What? No I meant the nod krai quest

I'm assuming that's what you mean by spoiler

Uhh

Idk

One sec

Almost 2 weeks ago

So before

Sure

That is, if it's a recent addition

True

[empty path]

yow spoiler for the latest archon quests, i have a question regarding ||The Moon Sisters. they were sent to the physical realm by Columbina after she obtained the Trilune Authority, at what point in time where they sent to? from my understanding the 3 of them imprisoned before the 2 moons were destroyed and the other being cast out. Since the corrupted iridiscent moon (from Luna 2 archon quest) reffered to Columbina as "Hypo-", were they sent back to the physical realm around the time during the war of funerary flame?||

||so did they never escape being destroyed and corrupted?, im confused because I thought they were sent to the present day and were they like mortals without authority, im confused at what point in time they were sent back to and since they knew atleast what were gonna happen they never escaped their fate i guess?||

[spark trellis]

It's my assumption that ||they would have returned to the point in time that they were imprisoned, or at least definitely not to present time. But it's a good question. My assumption would mean that from nibelung's perspective, he went to imprison them and they popped back out immediately as mortals||

[empty path]

||is the moon marrow different from the authority? since the iridiscent moon became corrupted but when she returned to the world she no longer had her powers||

[spark trellis]

Yes it's different. But I have to say it's a blurry line. Similar to an archon's relationship to power, divine authority and gnoses.

[spark trellis]

||that said, Sonnet became mortal and was the one who really expressed she did not want to die. Her becoming corrupted by the abyss makes a lot of sense to me||

[empty path]

alright thanks guys

[warm zenith]

i have been hearing it since nod krai came out, always thought it was pretty weird but assumed it was something related to the landscape being close to the moon

[queen prawn]

||They were sent back to mortal world at where they love,which we dont know,maybe it is the moon or beyond the dark sea? Since they lost their divinity, Nibelung would not know especially when he is busy fighting Phanes||

[worldly rain]

||No they're in principle same
Columbina sent the moon sisters back in the past sense so when they returned they still had their authority outside of the prison world
Meanwhile columbina returned to present where those 3 moon sisters had already died long ago so there was no conflict of interest||

[empty path]

||nah when they were sent back, they already lost their authority as they gave it to columbina. maybe they had powers other than the authority but i doubt they somehow got it back if they were sent to their time. They said it themselves that they dont have it anymore, the only knowledge that they have of the future is of Columbina Hyposelenia and some of the stuff she told her sisters||

||without their authority and their moons being weaponized and destroyed/cast away by the Heavenly Principles, the moon sisters are greatly weakened and would have died in the war either way||

[worldly rain]

||"Be aware that we cannot grant you the power of the three moons beyond these prison walls. The conflict that arose over their remains following our disappearance will still take place."||
This was said by Canon

||The past remained the same so the marrow and its authority remained until present timeline when columbina returned from the prison
Remember dottore had used marrow to gain the authority that wouldn't be possible if the original moon sisters had lost theirs in past timeline||

||Columbina didn't affect the past she affected her future when she returned in present||

[empty path]

||So is the marrow the same as the authority?||

||i thought Columbina returned to the physical realm about the same time as she sent her sisters back, only that she returned not as Columbina but as the Kuuvhaki, waiting for the Present characters to see what happened in the past to bring her back/revive||

[worldly rain]

In principle yes
||However in the present timeline I'm not sure if it works now especially after the trilune authority||

[empty path]

||isnt the moon marrow derived from the corpses of the godesses, thats why there isnt a frost moon marrow because her corpse is still floating outside the false sky||

[worldly rain]

||she turned her body only into kuvaahki while her authority was sealed inaide frost moon and her souls being luonatar in present
When all 3 combined they became whole||
||while the moon siaters were returned during the war time only in the past itself during the two moon destruction||

[worldly rain]

Frost moon doesn't exist because of columbina she's alive after all

[empty path]

yes ||so the marrow and the authority are different things, one is a powerful relic while the other is a bit more abstract||

||i still believe that the moon sisters returned bereft of their authority as they gave it to columbina, the moon marrow doesnt need to have authority to form, only the corpse of the godess||

[worldly rain]

||no the marrow is where original authority comes from that's why dottore took them||
||it's only in present that its a bit different especially because the 3 original authority were merged amd put into columbina||

Past didn't change remember that only future

All the stuff that happened before she returned to present still happened the same

[empty path]

||the future didnt change it was already set since the kuuvakhi was already there in the first place which is just future columbina in a paradox||

[worldly rain]

||not paradox its how time works in this game
Past present future all exist simultaneously||
There is no time travel in literal sense

Just that space dimension are different at different time

[empty path]

||ok i meant a loop in a way, i guess wording it as a paradox is technically wrong||

[worldly rain]

They've been doing it since inazuma now
I think this was 4th time? Iirc

[worldly rain]

||Thing is past does not change so original authority remains there only
It's only in present when columbina return with trilune authority that things are different||
Hope that makes sense but probably it doesn't

[empty path]

||but how can the sisters have their authority back if they were sent outside the prison after giving it to columbina?||

[worldly rain]

||Because the authority was given only inside the prison with which columbina returned to present
While the moon sisters were sent back into past||

[empty path]

||im pretty sure columbina returned at the same time, but only as the kuuvakhi, there was even a timelapse scene displaying the passage of time||

at the frosmoon scions

[worldly rain]

||only her body turned into that not the authority
Her trilune authority was sent to the present day frost moon||

||That's why they brought the moon closer at the end
So that she can gain her authority back||

[empty path]

||ok i understand the columbina part, im still confused about the 3 sisters tho||

[worldly rain]

They just returned to their own time in the past

Where they died later cause of war and whole moon situation

[empty path]

||im confused about how they returned with their authority if they gave it to columbina, they lost their markings when they returned||

||i mean yeah they brought the moon closer so that columbina returned, but dottore never lost his powers when columbina had hers||

[worldly rain]

||because the authority was only given inside the prison space which then was sent to present time by columbina

The past timeline was not affected at all where the sisters were sent

It's seperate space dimension||

[empty path]

||what i think happened is that columbina had the authority, while dottore had the marrows, marrows (while not having the authority still contained immense power).||

[worldly rain]

No marrow has the authority we already seen it's effect with doctor where he captured columbina for a short while

Okay I think I get it

[empty path]

||if that was the case, why did the sisters have given the authority in the prison if they can just send it to the present, im sorry if im being annoying but it just doesnt make sense to me, why have them have a scene where they lose their powers but it doesnt really matter at the end||

[worldly rain]

||You're confusing the original authority of 3 moon sisters with the merged trilune authority that was given to columbina

The original authority existed in the past that didn't change
While in the present it's now the trilune authority that exist

And by present I mean when columbina returned||

[worldly rain]

||they can't send it to present because they don't have trilune authority
Someone needs to hold that and that was columbina
Now you may ask why one of the sisters couldn't hold such authority well they already say it why because it's dangerous and can kill them which they warned columbina too
Fortunately she didn't suffer anything because she had kuvahki too which helped her||

[empty path]

||so columbina sent back the authority to their time, is there dialogue or anything that says that?||

[worldly rain]

||she sent the trilune authority to present
The original 3 separate authority of 3 moons remain in the past where the sisters were sent||

[empty path]

||i think she sent the 3 authorities to the frost moon since we know that it will not be destroyed||

frost moon during the funerary war

[worldly rain]

Yes

[empty path]

||they pulled the frost moon closer so it connects to Columbina's body in teyvat (Luonnotar and Kuuvakhi||

||so the three moon godesses returned to their time without their authority, what you were saying is that they still had it but they dont, the three authorities was hiding in the frost moon||

||it was hidden there because we know that in the Future it wont be destroyed||

||that is why 3 moons are still being detected even if only one exists||

||sandrone even had thought that the moon marrow's presence doesnt confirm if the godesses it represent is alive||

ok i think this it

||Moon Marrow = A relic that contains immense power but is derived from a Moon Godess' Corpse, Authority = Power of the Moon Godess. similar but different things both are powerful. because since there was no Time Paradox that happened only a loop, so basically during the dottore battle. Dottore had 2 Moon Corpses + Artifical while Columbina had Frostmoon body/constitution along with the trilune authority + power of friendship||

||nothing was duped, the body(marrow) and the authorities just existed separately||

[worldly rain]

||doctor got the 3 moons authority using the marrow||

[ebon iris]

ngl all this talk about the ||moons authority and how columbina managed to send the sisters back and all that is confusing lmao||

[ebon iris]

its very pretty tbh

the colors and everything

[hollow spire]

||I don't quite understand why they said Bina is the trilune goddess. Even in one of the cutscenes, she hid the power of the trilune behind the Frost Moon which again doesn't make sense. Didn't the 3 Moon Sisters say in the prison that Bina can only use their powers inside the prison to cut her soul from her body?||

[sharp pulsar]

SANDRONEEEEEE

||SHE CANT BE GONE RIGHT? SHES COMING BACK RIGHT? SURELY SHE HAS A BACKUP CORE OR SOMETHING. SOMEONE BRING BACK ALAIN HE NEEDS TO REPAIR HER NOW||

[gaunt gull]

||her core was returned to fontaine, if she was going to be playable, she will probably have an outfit change like scaramouche||

[gaunt gull]

||she sent her body back as the kuuvakhi while the authority was hidden in the frost moon as they knew it wasnt going to be destroyed from the war, the sisters were sucessful with transfering 3 authorities to columbina but returning to the outside was the problem||

||so she did cut her soul from her body and returned the body as the Kuuvakhi and the authority to the frost moon, she relied on her anchor Luonotar and the kuuvakhi being at teyvat when they pulled the moon close so she can be one with her body, soul, and powers again to fight dottore||

[hollow spire]

||so now, she really has the power of all 3 moon goddesses + and her own? pretty much like the 4 shades of life+death+time+space||

[ebon iris]

||Pretty much since thats what the moons were made for||

[hollow spire]

thank you

can someone tell me the TL;DR version of the lore of this World Quest chain in like one or two paragraphs? Thank you in advance.

[tender swift]

|| you will clear out abyssal corruption that has been plaguing the light bearers likely one of the researchers got influenced by Rotwang ||

[brazen bane]

||so what was the point of the segment in the story where we saw people's souls get transfered into animals and why did the 7th act start with a shot of a random lizard?||

||dottolizard is real||

||also the red eyes lol, kinda too on the nose||

[sly bison]

You know why

[brazen bane]

||now i want dottolizard to creep up on us while we are talking to lauma and her freaking out because she realizes he is nearby||

on another note, i kinda have the feeling that ||the tsaritsa was actually okay with dottores plan (or at least in part) because if the HP dont wake up or start making a move after this, i dont know what will. either that or she somehow knew letting him do his thing will be beneficial in at least getting columbina her power up||

||i have also seen the theory floating around that dottore is doing all this as a test to prepare the traveller to fight against the real HP or something||

[tender swift]

yesss I have the exact same feeling also that super complex theory guy on youtube

said that tsaritsa and jester are aware of what is happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCE-CrnOKDY

Yes this one

[brazen bane]

||i just dont know why else you would let this obviously mentally unhinged psychopath be part of your organization lol

feels like there is some doctor strange kind of "viewing multiple future outcomes" thing going on and only if she lets dottore do all this stuff, the tsaritsas goal can actually be fulfilled||

[tender swift]

You mean a || simulation inside a simulation ||

I'm kinda suprised how people are content with || dotore gone . Lmao he opened the frking moon gate as if inviting traveller to pull the moon closer. Most people think he did it for the theatrics like Lmao bro ||

[brazen bane]

yeah the moment he did that was like, thanks bro

not that it mattered, ||the fake sky barrier can not withstand the impact of a stellar object crashing through it it seems||

[brazen bane]

was probably just a teaser for nod krai

[white spade]

Today I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of an Asian girl named Samsara and I thought to myself omg genshin! 😭

it was just something nice I wanted to share today.

Someone who likes it and doesn't know what it means ig?

[brazen bane]

do we know if zibai is older or younger than 500 years?

[patent cloud]

where are you getting this number from?

Yeah so how can Zibai be "at least 8000" years old?

To me there's at least a period of setup after Phanes arrived.

Before any creatures are made.

Yeah.

And we can be relatively certain no creatures were made before the terraforming was complete, since they'd just die without a habitable world.

I'm not sure we can assume much there tbh.

But tldr: Zibai is not 8000 years old.

Zibai and Nicole are old af, but they are not as old as the shades.

Not at most. At least.

There's no way you make a bunch of humanity custodians if you don't have humanity yet.

And you don't make humanity before the planet is safe.

Im not sure what their use would be tho

If Asmoday is there.

She could just change the land to what she wants it to be, no?

[worldly rain]

It's not exactly 8k years it could be more
But that's generally speaking

Earliest if you will

[patent cloud]

It literally says PO + one shade made all the good stuff.

There is no mention of any other helpers.

[worldly rain]

Iirc Nicole says it
We know 6k years ago is when golden city fell
Dawning frost mentions "thousands and thousands more" years before the rebellion started when PO was transforming the planet and humans arrived

It took 400 years for transformation according to before sun and moon

And 40 years prior the war with 7 sovereign occurred

[patent cloud]

I think it's fair to say angels were likely around 440 years after PO arrived.

Since that includes the war period + the terraforming period.

[worldly rain]

No angels were the first to get created after the war ended

[patent cloud]

Source?

[worldly rain]

Before humans started appearing because they were the once who guided them

So they predates them

[patent cloud]

If it isn't mentioned, it isn't there.

Asmoday by herself can do what she wants with the land's shape.

And space itself.

Naberius can fill it with whatever life she is ordered to make.

They don't need anything else.

[worldly rain]

They predate humans who arrived shortly after the world was transformed

[patent cloud]

Yes I've heard that, but I'm looking for a source. Predating humanity could mean 10 years prior to humanity's inception.

Or it could mean 440 years prior, alongside the shades.

[worldly rain]

No exact dates exist

[patent cloud]

I think we can for certain say angels did exist 440 years after PO's arrival tho.

Since humanity existed by then.

[worldly rain]

Yes

[patent cloud]

Do we know if the angels had generations? Or were all the existing ones made at the same time?

If there was only one generation, that would mean Nicole and Zibai are indeed giga old.

[worldly rain]

It's not mentioned but Nicole and Zibai were among the first who appeared

[patent cloud]

OGs.

[worldly rain]

Ye along with Nabu and Sybilla
Even night lord

Where's this from?

[patent cloud]

shes a must pull for sure

[worldly rain]

||the morning stars||

Like moon is to sisters so is ||morning stars|| to angels

Their origin

And hence PO treading upon it meaning he took control over them

Actually we can discuss artifacts lore without spoiler right?

Or do we have to use it?

Angels are representation of that I think
Like Nibelung raised the 3 moons and so the 3 moon sisters came
So it's similar PO took control of the morning star and created the angels
Remember how dawn star Royal court existed prior to amgels getting created?

@odd thicket basically it's the source from which they descend

||...No matter how many years may pass, or if the morning star should fade...||

[worldly rain]

First angel is first for a reason

In skirk artis
You can connect the dots then using new info from aubade and the WQ of armsvartnir

[little knot]

back to ask this again as more people prolly finished archon quest:
||why does the sky look so different from the moon than the sky previously seen behind the broken false sky? ||

[worldly rain]

Also I just realized we're not getting hyperborea without ||voyager getting freed from our help first|| so we might be waiting until snezhnaya after all

[queen prawn]

think it as 2 way mirror

[potent knoll]

HP are the first descender, they killed the third descender because they were a threat to phanes, traveler is the 4th descender and will take over the Heavenly Principles place

😱

Traveler will become the leader of teyvat

[queen prawn]

and create the star rail universe true

[calm pawn]

hi, since when do we know the primordial one is female?

my game is in french and it's the first time i notice it, but i've never seen anyone mention it before

[lilac coral]

I think because in English it's known as "it"

And switches between male, female, and gender neutral terms when lower level beings mention it

Essentially being like a "the mother of this, the father of that, it is existence" kind of thing

Idk how other languages gender it other than English, but knowing French calls it feminine pronouns is interesting

[calm pawn]

there is 0 mistaking it in the french version, the whole dialogue mentions it as female

before it was the equivalent of "they"

since it's the first dialogue with ppl that directly interacted with PO, i suppose it's mihoyo's way of giving more info on them

[thick oyster]

She's a woman yeah
FatuiHQ doesn't like those

[brazen bane]

lol in german it is male

[calm pawn]

good to know tyvm, i guess it's translators messing up

[hollow spire]

||Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3 Moon Sisters are still alive and now in Teyvat right? Albeit with no authority anymore and practically living as normal humans.||

[sly bison]

Nah ||they still died and/or decayed. Sonnet getting the worst of it||.

[fierce harness]

||they are extra dead||
We always assumed that was the case since the three moons were destroyed; however before that was the case ||the sisters had already had their divinity imprisoned||

But ||Columbina sent them back to Teyvat after they willingly handed over their divinity to Columbina||, meaning that they are now all dead

[sly bison]

Can’t wait for this to be out of date in 2 years

Exactly what I said

By the time we reach the Khaenri’ah version in 2 years were likely going to have a hilariously recontextualized history of what really went on

Especially now that we know the new traveler skin lore

Idk about “drawn out”
But it’s definitely gonna look much different compared to the context we thought back in 2021

[sly bison]

We’re also very likely not getting OG Khaenri’ah either

[potent knoll]

||Guys so the other 2 moons never shattered right, columbina just hid them within the frost moon||

|| since they were shown when columbina killed dottore ||

|| why did all the moons show up though in the archon quest?||

[arctic plinth]

👋

[gaunt gull]

were the twins' purpose was to find a new home for their species or something? the description of the new skin looks like it implies that. Genetic Vault, searching for a suitable planet and all that. also what was "it"?

||also did the other twin arrive at teyvat around the time after or before nibelung has died?||

[worldly rain]

They've been to other worlds and they remember it too so if survival was the goal why only teyvat? Why not build new home on previous worlds they travelled?
Not to mention the reason for arriving on teyvat was to "enjoy their time" according to character story
So something doesn't make sense here...

[worldly rain]

Not clear either

[gaunt gull]

maybe when they find a "suitable" planet, they terraform it or something and the other inhabitants are exterminated idk, the heavenly principles doesnt like it when new life is created like with khemia or when forbidden knowledge is acquired, maybe if the HP is the ai of their ship, it destroys these civilizations like how it likes to throw celestial nails on people as punishment. Then teyvat was suitable but the other twin maybe decided that they shouldnt exterminate the inhabitants of these worlds and left to do something on tevyat maybe to prepare it against the HP. Just a very wild theory

or maybe the abyss follows them like Galactus and devours planets. idk where but I remember the abyss being describe as originating from somewhere else not in teyvat but I could be wrong

[worldly rain]

Abyss is destroying the worlds indeed and teyvat is the last planet of it's star system

"Descending upon a continent named Teyvat, you hoped that you would be able to enjoy your time here.
But as you awoke among the falling stars, you saw the world in turmoil, a cataclysm raging across the land..."

That's the motive known for their arrival for now...Nothing about making new home or anything

@odd thicket would you consider this retcon? Assuming the new skin lore is the real motive of their arrival?

[gaunt gull]

i dont think its a retcon as it just revealed more about whats the possible full truth of their arrival

[worldly rain]

But then shouldn't the twin know about abyss beforehand?

[gaunt gull]

thats the part we dont know yet

maybe they get their memories removed maybe not

[worldly rain]

Yet they know about other worlds...

Traveler: So here in Mondstadt, alchemy is practiced out on the streets?
Paimon: Is that so strange?
Traveler: In many of the worlds I've been to in the past, alchemy has always been a secretive art.

[worldly rain]

@odd thicket not really unsuitable...

[gaunt gull]

in the eyes of whatever the heavenly principles or the ai it is unsuitable, these things arent reasonable they aint human

[worldly rain]

Well my theory is that their memories are fake cause that's the only way all this make sense

[gaunt gull]

maybe something like the the Eternals from Marvel comics, they get their memories reset everytime they do their puprose on a planet

[worldly rain]

No way they remember details about other worlds but don't remember abyss that's destroying said worlds
They came to teyvat for "having good times" but now we're told it's for making new home....

It's contradictory maybe intentionally so

Which as I said doesn't make sense because the new skin lore just says exactly that

[gaunt gull]

we dont know the full truth thats why we speculate, we dont have enough solid proof to identify what they where even doing on any planets, so far we can only assume

it will makes sense (i Hope) the more the story goes as with every good story

[worldly rain]

||The true difficulty lay in finding a world with potential. Without that, destruction would catch up all too soon.||

[gaunt gull]

destruction of their species maybe, or the genetic vault, maybe they are collecting genetic info of all of the things they come across

cause they know thats something will eventually destroy them. maybe they are recordkeepers

[worldly rain]

Which is very different from what their character story says hence I said their memories might be fake

[gaunt gull]

or maybe they just dont know the full truth themselves, incomplete truths can lead to lies and deception or in this case being seen as fake

[worldly rain]

Yeah

[gaunt gull]

without knowing everything, they cant see their true purpose, what they know or remember is technically true but maybe theres more to what they are doing than what they currently know

[worldly rain]

Their sense of timeline might also be distorted

[gaunt gull]

||damn for anyone still confused about the trilune authority and wacky time stuff from the latest archon quest, columbina actually explained completely in the final cutscene vs Dottore|| i was pretty confused myself so i reviewed the quest, i remembered reading here a discussion regarding it

[gaunt gull]

this guy got it pretty much

||After travelling to the past and reaching the moon sisters, Columbina obtained the trilune authority. She then sent the 3 sisters outside the prison around the time during the funerary war very possibly. But columbina herself cannot escape the prison even with the trilune authority as the sisters tried it themselves, only without divinity can they escape. So columbina left her soul in the prison (and Luonnatar as a fragment of her soul to anchor her in the present), her body in the past (Kuuvakhi spread across Nod krai possibly in the deep past or the same time during the funerary war but we are sure that it was returned way back in time as well), and the Trilune Authority was left in the Frost Moon because she knows that it will survive the war of funerary flame up to the present. The Sandrone's Formula + Luonnotar + Frost Moon being pulled down made it possible for Columbina to return during the final fight||

[glad crypt]

@odd thicket so

was the belyi tsar a fae

[glad crypt]

prove it

now

[arctic plinth]

👋

[queen prawn]

Even trilune cant lift Asmoday seal,how strong are these shadow

[lilac coral]

Hey guys, drip marketing should have happened by now, right? Or is that tomorrow

But why lol

And okay

For something like columbina I don't think they gotta worry lmao

[sly bison]

We have drip marketing?

[lilac coral]

We get drip marketing every version

Don't we

?

We've always had at least one new character every patch since like 2.6 or smth

[sly bison]

I remember the era when drip marketing would drop on the same Monday in the week a patch started

[lilac coral]

It was so hype when that'd happen

My guess will be maybe ||jean||

Or even someone like ||Eula or Mika||

Since they've worked with them

It has but I feel like, if they don't introduce a new character, it'd be one of those

Gn

[ebon iris]

imagine its someone completely new

i could see it

||lohen, seamus pegg, etc etc, jean and barbaras parents, maybe some new favonius members, even a hex witch||

||i wouldnt be surprised if either venti as barbatos or alice say something lol||

[sly bison]

I wonder when tf they’re gonna bring back Collected Miscellany narrated by Dainslef

😭

https://youtu.be/8AV1utyVW_Q

Skirk released AFTER Mavuika so

[ebon iris]

They actually stopped collective miscellany after dahlia

So theres no vids for that for nod krai charas

They did put tutorials in the trial stages for charas so maybe

[sly bison]

Genshin players when they realize they have to read more

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-bee-movie-discord-meme-funny-gif-25755265

[ebon iris]

💔

[sacred hornet]

I just came back to Genshin, do any major (optional) world questlines/story quests come to mind as essential for understanding/enjoying “A Space and Time for You”?

[white spade]

My reaction to this was teehee

[thick oyster]

Not necessarily

[white spade]

Guys I drank water 😢😭

[lilac coral]

Congrats!

Now bathe in some too

You'll love it

[white spade]

The pain in my throat isnt going away though. );

[lilac coral]

Tea with honey?

Warm* tea with honey

[white spade]

Guys Souka just told me to comit death.

[brazen bane]

https://youtu.be/sIVDuPB2MHQ?si=mJ9ecI5JBrh5O1WN

probably late to the party but i just watched this

and all i wonder is (if most of this is true) how alice, skirks planet and the people that attacked it fall into this

unless it was just set up for genshin 2 or whatever

[polar edge]

Hey question about them detecting four moons, was it because It was the three original moon godesses + columbina or was it because of Dottore's artificial moon?

[tulip sonnet]

vodka will fix it

[queen prawn]

Dottore

3 is on the frost moon,one is Dottore

[hollow spire]

can someone give a TL;DR summary of this world quest chain in like 1-2 paragraphs?

[hollow spire]

what on earth is this 😭

[ebon iris]

npcs before natlan/nod krai

[ebon iris]

Why disappointed?

Cause of the ending?

Fair the only new thing we knew is that rotwang was khaenriahn and worked at the universitas

Ngl knowing those two things I thought there'd be a lot more impact

Guess not

Considering we know very little about the universitas asides from tholindis and hroptatyr in msq

Or khaenriahns in general

That too

They didnt answer that

Cause hes mixed blood

I have to assume his version of elysium was an abyss corrupted Pohjola

Idk

Oh shit

[hollow spire]

Thank you!

[brazen bane]

just 100% the new map and wtf do you mean ||there are more statue upgrades? we are getting ANOTHER nod krai map???||

also ||are there no spare lunoculi this time around? compass doesnt show me anything else and i had exactly 35 in my inventors which all went towards the statue upgrade. usually you get to keep a bunch in your inventory||

mihoyo stop breaking your patterns

i was desperately looking for the spare one cause i like to collect them in my inventory

guess i gotta wait until 6.8 or whatever

💀

[lilac coral]

holy shit

I just finished this puzzle to redeem dailies and under the chest was a note 😭

So hyperboreans knew of the firmament's existence and were expecting future generations to be able to peacefully escape it?

That and they were able to control the elements without the use of a vision? (Assuming that's what the author meant when they wrote "without relying on the gifts of the firmament")

Np

This is a hyperborean

Also I didn't realize that ancient people in this world could control elements at will using alchemy, it didn't feel that way with how this person was describing it

As in, "even the most ordinary of people"

"After relentless experimentation, we have finally mastered the Tekhneikos of tailoring and refining the Seeds of Life. Now, new humans born after such 'adjustments' can wield elemental forces at will."

That sounds more like an "is" rather than a "hopefully" happening sort of thing

Then what is it

The fae are humans born with those adjustments?

Oh

Then why didn't you say that 😭

[thick oyster]

No they aren't

Fae were made from dragon bones

[lilac coral]

Ah

Oh, I haven't done it yet

[thick oyster]

No

[lilac coral]

Oh, I don't remember then

I remember him mentioning that he's fae

But not what they came from

I'll have to reread some time

[thick oyster]

No it doesn't

Yeah they were forged

From moon power and dragon bones

Yeah he's weird

He was a Fae probably

And they were servants

Fae aren't enhanced humans

Yes those are different things

Fae were the prototypes

Otherwise Lauma would be a fae

The Scions are descendants of Hyperborea
And they are not Fae

No she is

That's the whole point

They explicitly could not breed with Fae either

No they were descendants of the enhanced humans
That's why the Alias were special
Lovia tried to experiment on them

Reed Miller was also one of these enhanced humans

No Lovia experimented on them

We don't know how exactly

Yes because they're the descendants of the enhanced Hyperboreans

She was dead

Yeah and the Alias were born 4000 years later

Wrong

It was Hyperborea's sacred blood line, not the Frostmoon

The Fae were just servants essentially

They're pure elemental beings

And because of their genetic enhancements

From Hyperborea

They're different

Explicitly separate

Flins here separates humans from Fae

Yeah they're different species
He separates himself from them
Hyperborea made "enhanced humans" not a completely different species

Cause they're elemental beings

No
Columbina's birth was completely unrelated to that

The AQ directly shows that

No they were trying to consider their altered bloodline from the experiments Hyperborea did

Canon just directed them to Nod-Krai

"Legend has it"

"And the furnaces of the deep galleries thundered day and night. Turning to forbidden methods, artisans forged countless fae spirits upon the bones of giant beasts."
The Fae were forged

The enhanced humans of Hyperborea were genetically altered

Saarelainen is probably the culmination of this

He could be both
Rene says he was submerged in the Primordial Sea too iirc

That's why he used the Sea himself

Both Sea and Abyss

Maybe

Exactly

Saarelainen was Ichigo
Just a hybrid of everything in one

He has to be special somehow
He is a descender

Built different
Genetically altered probably

Breaking the rules is literally the point of a descender

Then Childe should be a descender

And the Sinners

Not always

Abyss can use light realm powers for its own
This would be a perfect mix

Saarelainen was genetically altered so his was complete

Saarelainen was built different

Seutervoinen and Koitar probably made him

Durin has a lot of emphasis placed on his heart too and he's a product of alchemy too
Gnoses are known as the hearts of God in Chinese

Rhinedottir's main goal was to probably make a descender

Are they?

Frauddottir got low diffed

The Chinese term for Vision, 神之眼 Shén zhī Yǎn, "Eye of God," is similar to the term for Gnosis, 神之心 Shén zhī Xīn, "Heart of God." Both of them are called 魔力器官 "magical organs," which was translated as "magical foci" in English.

Eyes
Not hearts

Istaroth did that
Rhine was too fraudulent

Scaramouche's story is about that

Moon Wheels yes
Delusions no

Moon Wheels were made when Unified Civilizations started doubting Angels and Celestia so they started worshiping the Moons instead

So the Moons gave them the Wheels as a gift

Moon Wheel

Delusions are called "evil eyes"

Yeah

No

He didn't

Pierro had one when he recruited Signora
And she was probably there before Dottore was recruited

Dottore was born after the Cataclysm

Signora fought in it

Tsaritsa or Pierro

Maybe both

Saving it for Sneznahya
Columbina says that Tsaritsa has a power not even she fully understands

So she has something crazy

She'll be Pierro and Capitano's BIS

Maybe whatever powers Saarelainen got before he became a descender or something

Or something to do with Nibelung and or the dragons

[thick oyster]

No

She isn't even blue

She isn't love anymore

Tsaritsa

No

[queen prawn]

hoyo like twist,it is inevitable

Tsar actually love celestia

she just want to be a shade

she got rejected so now she want to rebel

[ebon iris]

Wait sorry what the fuck

The frost moon Scions were inbred????

UH

NO

😰

Ayo lauma ur people are kinda fucked up

[thick oyster]

No

They explicitly had a rule against inbreeding

[ebon iris]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

oh ok

[thick oyster]

They're like the Amish
Closed off but not inbred

The Amish are a group of people in America who don't use modern technology at all and are mainly just farmers

[ebon iris]

they use very little to no electricity

get around on horses and stuff

[thick oyster]

Yeah
It varies from group to group though

[ebon iris]

tho it depends, some amish are more accepting of tech

yea

but theyre mostly well known for living a certain lifestyle

and its easy to spot them bc of how they dress

[thick oyster]

Yeah
There are some near my area

Yeah there are probably some groups like them in Europe too if I had to guess

[brave marten]

aren't the romani people like that

[lost quail]

You just standing me up huh?

[lost quail]

Hi

[lilac coral]

phosphoros is the morning star and hersperus is the evening star, apparently

so like two sides of the same coin, yeah

but not necessarily the "same" themselves

[lilac coral]

It is important to know the difference between the two through experience/observation rather than knowing before you experience it (that is literally what it means, at least the last part )

Basically it's saying how philosophers changed a saying to proper names to use as an example by just saying it

Because you "know" that one is the morning star and the other is the evening star

Because one means one thing and the other means something else (experience vs information)

It's like saying "knowledge is experience"

"Hesperus is Phosphorus"

[sly bison]

This is honestly a big thing I remind myself of on a daily basis

[lilac coral]

Oh you mean that milky way-esque star cluster?

Sumeru's desert doesn't even have it iirc

Which is also weird to me

It does?

I remember being weirded out when I went there for the first time and it just did not appear in the sky

But the stars themselves were brighter for some reason

Maybe it changed

I remember it looking just like this with no milky way in sight

Like I said, it was when the desert first released, and I thought it was odd that the sky had fewer, brighter stars and no milky way

So they could have changed it

Yeah

[lilac coral]

Okay then yeah, I wasn't hallucinating 😭

I strictly remembered thinking it was weird

So if I was just stupid I wouldn't have been surprised

Though, idk why it's like that either, if they had to make a special sky box for it for one reason or another or used the wrong one and then never changed it

[white spade]

i had no idea they changed Keqing's voice actor

[glad crypt]

leitmotif not motif

where's the main menu theme?

they missed one

[lilac coral]

Yes

[lilac coral]

Bro reading back 2 weeks worth of messages 😭

[lilac coral]

Yes

Sorry 😭

But also if you feel like people are behind you're free to continue spoilering, since a week is ample time for most but not enough for some to get through the quests

Basically, use your own discretion but you are free to talk about things without spoilers without getting in trouble since it's been a week

IT HAS???

Yeah, server wide the spoiler decree is lifted, in lore corner it's always been 1 week because lore

I'm not, I'm on act 5

But that's also on me because I choose not to do the quests during the work week unless I have ample time

So I wait for the weekends but I'm also doing other stuff on the weekends like making my work meals for the following week, cleaning, etc

So I only get so far in the story in between that lol

Yeah

Yeah no, don't worry about me LMAO

Otherwise you'll be spoilermarking for like a month or three

I've already been spoiled

Because I'm so behind

Lmao

I just have no context because I haven't done the quests yet

[lilac coral]

He hasn't afaik lol

[reef axle]

Correct, I am not alive

[reef axle]

Reading back 2 weeks worth of messages just to make a correction that isnt even needed

(To my knowledge at least, leitmotifs and motifs are a squares and rectangles type situation. Leitmotifs are just a specific type of motif)

[lilac coral]

Yeah lol

I thought it was funny

[white spade]

No, I heard about the strike. I just wasn't aware wrong finally got voices back for some of the characters.

[lilac coral]

Yeah, some got their voice back and others got recasted, the recasted ones mostly being those who were publicly bashing the company and causing more drama than necessary for both hoyoverse and Sagaftra

Or ones who broke their contracts

[reef axle]

or Ganyu's who was drama-free but just didn't want to continue the role (iirc)

[sly bison]

Does Zibai look a bit “alien” to you?

[lilac coral]

Is that what happened with her? I didn't hear anything about hers, just the sudden announcement that she was replaced

https://youtu.be/uFKQL6xPbRU?si=JPQvvVvtebFxcSpE

Oh my GOD I adore the animation style that was used

Also the comments are gold

[river valve]

Holy shit what an amazing teaser

[sleek herald]

What is the Morse code that Dottore left behind? I keep hearing about it but where can I find it?

But where can I find it?

So it's fake? Or the translation is fake?

[white spade]

Having 300 wishes feels great. 👍

Would feel better if I had been playing since Sumeru

[white spade]

actually Ineffa And Colombinr do

but

i like pulling for chatacters I like and fit my abyss teams too

Not yet

[white spade]

farmimg gems

[white spade]

ai

[hollow spire]

when/where was this mentioned again?

[sly bison]

Thinking about these two

It’s worth noting that while Flins doesn’t share the same ears as him, this also isn’t exactly flins’ actual or original body

[ebon iris]

wait

so morning star isnt phanes/HP?

[ebon iris]

Hmmmmm

[worldly rain]

Koirar is refered to as dawn star not morning star
Koitar does imply morning star to be the source of angel life force or something
Aubade only says "it was time when morning star and moon together ruled" implying the rule of the phanes(who took control over morning star) and the 3 sisters

Yeah so someone who was like an overseer of morning star

Morning star is clearly some kind of dragon tech which PO took control over

Considering the angels descended from light energy I don't actually

Not to mention moon sisters were very fond of it

I assume it's a light source through which the angels descended

Hence the fading away comment from koitar...

And when PO took over he modified the newly created angels with his "crown"

[lilac coral]

bro i was trying to do a challenge to finish getting natlan to 100% and there was an auto-start quest in the middle of it 😭

you can see the coins in the background

well, at least it paused the timer so i didn't have wasted time

yes?

it's whatever the nightwind quest is i didn't finish the final part to it

yeah lol

[ebon iris]

hmmm

@worldly rain @odd thicket we sure morningstar isnt the same thing as dawnstar?

morning

dawn

kinda similar

like how many things and beings have different names

like phanes and all his shit titles

maybe thats why koitar is referred to as such

[worldly rain]

They're not from my understanding
Dawn star is used for koitar true
But morning star is associated with PO (after he took over)
Morning star is also another name for planet venus irl and venus is also associated with dual gods

[sly bison]

Is Wanderer even that much better with Durin tho

[worldly rain]

And with the latest koitar lore saying morning star fading away...
We can take a guess that it's some kind of energy source tech (one related to dragon I believe) from which angels originated after PO took over and modified it with his "crowns"

[sly bison]

What’s the full team

Yes

Name the full team plls

This sounds so nasty

Thanks

[worldly rain]

It's not yes but I'm basing it on the language used..."treading upon morning star" has the same language used as in "tread upon seven fold"

So in case of traveler twins who tread upon 7 element system doesn't mean they brought elements from outside teyvat
I'm using the same logic here with PO who took over morning star then...

Then the fact that we know angels descended from light source...
And it's little from there to make assumptions that morning star is that light source...

[abstract wagon]

what if durin was an egg before the spell and albedo used him to be a human using his spell because albedo is not human either so he is allowed to break mondstat law

[gloomy venture]

None of it is real

Its all an illusion

Created by AI

[sleek herald]

How much %dps does Columbina buff ineffa?

[reef axle]

hard to say, but I'd imagine probably a decent amount with her kuuvahki powers and all that. Tho iirc Ineffa wasn't deemed suitable for handling moon energy when Nicole was rating everyone, so she might not be able to buff Ineffa much with that restriction.

[shell heart]

Hi guys

||Could somebody explain how the bina revival plan worked like I can’t wrap my mind around lunnotar being enough to circumvent the lunar prison restriction||

[shell heart]

It’s the same version so am told u should spoiler?

Noted

Noted

Thanks

The influence is one thing but why was the soul not trapped

Is it simple because the prison authority doesn’t work on a dead moon?

[lilac coral]

I have no idea what's happening but I missed this song

[lilac coral]

Oh they finally brought that in-game?

[brave marten]

oh yea I saw it

I think it's connected to project Stuzha

all of it

with the revelation about it in the latest quest and how Capitano is most definitely related to it, what's Dottore gonna do is most definitely preparing for it

[brave marten]

yeah

we'll see

[lilac coral]

Illuga's trailer is the most 4* feeling trailer they have put out in a while

Like there were a couple of cool scenes but most of it was pretty meh imo

[brazen bane]

the irminsul burning seems more like a tsaritsa plot to me because of the "burn the old world for me" line

even it dottore is the one to do it

[river valve]

Yeaaa his theme was also a lot cooler in the version trailer

They really need to give heavy edm a break

Every character trailer is just edm nowadays

[reef axle]

Same as any other story spoilers? Spoiler for one week here after its released, two weeks anywhere else in the server

[white spade]

Hearing the new voicelines makes me wish I knew how to draw. I have a few ideas to edit some vines over them. 🤣😅

[ebon iris]

hope she gets her diploma soon

[rain otter]

So we definitely don't think ||dottore is actually dead|| right? AQ spoilers.

I know the decree is up but I like to be courteous

The way the screen flickered at the end of the chapter made me go, definitely not

Also doesn't he have many versions of himself kicking around still

Its been so long that I can't remember sumeru aq

[hollow spire]

RAAAAAHHHH

[ebon iris]

Bruh how are people this ahead in the quest already

[lilac coral]

The event started yesterday, is it part 2? Lol

Part 3*

Maybe they're the asia server

God I can't fucking think 😭

[lilac coral]

That's good

[sly bison]

Can you give me a quick bullet point summary

Won’t be able to play it for a while

Just stuff regarding future implications at least

Nvm then

[weak radish]

Hello!? Lore basement? Am I playing this game right? 🤣

I guess it just happened to be room with most enemies
that's how he got these

[weak radish]

I'm blind here's correct image 🤣

[lilac coral]

the poor jellies 😭

[sly bison]

No one show KC the jellyfish krabby patty episode of SpongeBob 😭

[lilac coral]

which one

the one where they all get milked into oblivion?

[sly bison]

Ya

With the blue jellyfish

https://tenor.com/view/no-name-spongebob-jellyfish-blue-gif-7674420880126700851

[lilac coral]

f r i e n d

[lilac coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iE9Gwiuz3E

Man, no wonder illuga's felt so low quality even for a 4*s trailer lol

Now I understand

[ebon iris]

all the budget went to bina and zibais 💔

Still think his wq makes up for it tho

[lilac coral]

Yeee

[sly bison]

It’s ok
Even Illuga’s kit is gonna be forgettable for a 4* too

[lilac coral]

Yeah 😭

Unfortunately

[rain otter]

It sucks because he was so cool in the world quest.

[thick oyster]

Shame he's a c6 merchant

[sly bison]

Even worse
He’s super replaceable even at c6 too

For better or worse

Lowkey wish they didn’t leave all the Moonwheel fun to the 5*s only

[ebon iris]

seriously why the fuck did they do that

at least natlan 4 stars had nightsoul

[sly bison]

You know why

[ebon iris]

yea yea money

but cmon mannnnnnnnnnn

[sly bison]

Best we’re getting is like

Filler spots for Ascendant Gleam

Like Aino and Illuga

[ebon iris]

bro idek anything about nascendent and ascendant gleam

i just have wheelchair team

i cant even tell if it has any genuine mechanic use like pneumaousia

[worldly rain]

Because nightsoul isn't a reaction but lunar is
4 star enabling nightsoul only helps 5 star natlan character who can use that
It's the same thing essentially...

[ebon iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184260550176276580/1466616356869771347/bina.gif

[worldly rain]

Scroll alone isn't doing anything either unless you bring something extra anyway
That extra is not related to mechanism itself

Otherwise you can use instructor or other buff set with nod krai 4 star too

If scroll alone was big buff everyone would be using kachina
Nobody does...

That's besides the point
Point remains scroll alone isn't enough

You can say the same nod krai too people have columbina

Natlan wants duo to to charge the nightsoul..

It's not like the design philosophy changed... You're still forced to pull bundle

So does jahoda +vv+heals
Is she good? No but then neither is kachina

Except she isn't...40% dmg bonus isn't enough
Her def buffs might be okay but nobody plays def scaling dps anyway

Calling kachina above rest of 4 star when the likes of iansan ororon exist in the same region

He does what kachina does aka scroll buff + atk buff + descent sub dmg + elegy buffs... List goes on

And that's irrelevant when nobody on that list is good to begin with
It's literally battle of mid

Compared to kachina yes he does

Especially in overload teams with chev

So he still does then...

Sure it's still not enough for anyone to use her

Or even call her good

Unless your standard for good is low especially in this powercreep economy

No original post was about the mechanic itself of why lunar stuff isn't enbaled but nightsoul is on 4 star
And that's because Nightsoul itself doesn't do anything outside natlan dps
It's as limiting as nod krai lunar thing you're still locked to your region dps

Artifacts buff don't matter here because even nod krai 4 star can use vv or instructor... It doesn't matter

[sly bison]

Well

Except enable scroll to it full extent anyways

But this lore channel

Toss me some looooooore

[worldly rain]

Yeah I was just explaining why hoyo made them the way they are
Because at the end 4 star value still remains the same...

[sly bison]

https://youtu.be/R5_g5c6TWiE

Genshin part 1 is gonna end with Dottore closing

I can feel it in my
Bones

[worldly rain]

I don't know if I believe dottore is coming back...
All those glitches just looks to me the PO awakening
It's not the first time glitches happen

[sly bison]

I totally wholeheartedly believe it

[worldly rain]

Especially when you believe the simulation theory

[sly bison]

So much stuff an loose ends are tying back to Dottore even now

Ashikai has shown me the light

[worldly rain]

Yeah probably
Rerir is still left out there so maybe something to do with that plot point

[sly bison]

Especially with the theme of consciousness and the body throughout

[worldly rain]

No I meant even before iirc there were glitches during traveler chapters before

I always thought it has to do with false sky or simulation

Dottore breached the boundary could be the result of that too
Breach is making the whole simulation acting up

Maybe one of his clone is still alive probably sent to burn irminsul

There's also wierd sky color
It's all blue but we know it's all red filled with abyss from both instances

1. mavuila punching the sky
2. skirk arriving in teyvat

So there's that too

Maybe we really are in dottore utopia

I remember one post mentioning how boss fight dottore keeps saying calculations complete everytime we attack him with different skill or burst

I didn't pay attention much during the fight myself though

[river valve]

I mean during the fight if you abide by his instructions he fills your bursts

He's rewarding his lab rats lmao

🥀

[ebon iris]

he fell off 🥀

bro got nobodys attention except us even as a false god

truly washed

[worldly rain]

We're still missing why the shades decided to get up and get involved from the trailer...
Unless that's related to project stuza in which case we're waiting until snezhnaya

I doubt that at least not in the nod krai scope at least

They haven't been subtle with istaroth so far so doesn't make sense to do this one time only

As in they have shown her involvement everytime even in zibai case she's there
But then not doing so for columbina or nod krai wouldn't make sense

Which makes me think she's not involved in nod krai plot

Yes future plot but not nod krai

Like her scope is with bigger picture

Not restricted to nod krai only

If she's involved it's because for different aspects not just for columbina

It doesn't say that it just mention the 4 moons the prayers are still meant for scions

The hyms also say that for all 4 btw
Yet the 3 are dead so don't take it in literal sense

[worldly rain]

Nope it only says it was passed down through generation of scions no mention of who created it but you can guess it was the hyperborean themselves
No God created their own religion after all... It's always the humans themselves

[worldly rain]

"Moons sharing the governance with morning star"
Could really be just metaphor for fate system alongside the cycle

[rain otter]

Did anyone read the lore on travelers new outfit? Because it implies the ship formed teyvat by repeatedly flying over it to make it inhabitable

What if the ship's AI is the real heavenly principals

[rain otter]

My friend proposed paimon is actually an AI assistant and I'd buy it

It could go either way

[gaunt gull]

how did the traveller know the name of Istaroth? afaik we only know of her other names, like the one from enkanomiya and mondstadt, but not "Istaroth"

[river valve]

He learned like we did

Before sun and moon

[gaunt gull]

was this back in mondstadt?

1.x?

[river valve]

Nah that is the 5.8 quest

[river valve]

I thought the traveler read before sun and moon no?

[gaunt gull]

ah the resort quest okok

the bennet origin story in the sunspray summer resort.

damn my memory is garbage

[reef axle]

I mean, you're a lvl 1 barbarian, what did you expect?

Got to at least be like, level 10 to remember something like that

[gaunt gull]

my chief sucks man he dont upgrade me

[white spade]

@reef axle
I thought you would be interested in seeing this.

[ebon iris]

Lmao uh oh I follow both of these ccs

why are they beefing

[white spade]

I guess so.

[white spade]

Dunno, much more than what's written. Apparently, indigofeline is upset that Streetwise called the Genshin animations cartoons. I mean. Kinda typical in this generation to be upset at cartoon and anime, but I digress.

Also apparently BlueBat's community is egging him on to 'defend' Genshin. Whatever that means. And that is why he even made a post/comment. }

Oh! And the reason this even came to be is because apparently he's trying to branch out. They told Cat go defend Genshin instead of trying to be something you're not basically. Which is sad and funny.

[ebon iris]

Holy nothing burger

https://tenor.com/view/mario-luigi-familygamestories-family-game-stories-greedy-luigi-gif-1643358061870485208

[lilac coral]

Defend genshin..? 😭
It really isn't that big of a deal

I don't think the devs would ever see or care that their characters were labeled as "Chinese cartoons"

[white spade]

Heheheh

[white spade]

The fandom is wild.

[lilac coral]

Sometimes

I mean, that's the least surprising part

Grown ass men having debates over dumber shit every single day both online and in person

[white spade]

always

[white spade]

yooooooooo in personnnnnnn

we gotta see threm fight. LIVE

[lilac coral]

Yes in person

[white spade]

in person!

[lilac coral]

Retail shows you a lot of colors of human interaction

[white spade]

Man, Nefer is definitely one of the most beautiful characters Mihoyo has put out. Idk maybe I just find her so aesthetically pleasing.

[thick oyster]

Probably Aria
Since her corpse is over Natlan

No

That's just where someone was doing research on it

And it was from dragons who did the research

Then I guess the Frostmoon maybe

Though every kingdom that started worshiping the Three Moons got Wheels

[rain otter]

I wish we could get them playable

[thick oyster]

And Arcadia

[thick oyster]

I wish we could see them dead

Yeah the new artifact set mentions them among the kingdoms that worshiped them

No mention of them

Possibly the City of Ys

They're only mentioned once so

Tutallyah was called the city of the moon maiden I think

Or whatever million other city states in Sumeru

There was a second one too

With the same name

Or after Nabu died it remained somehow

Cause the Abyss was using Sonnet's corpse as a puppet

Imprisoned and tortured essentially

Maybe the Moon Wheels can only come about from all three

They found out about the true skies and overthrew the Moon

Some time around the Archon War

Probably

Well she was in Nod-Krai which had the authorities of all three Moons combined into it from Columbina

No

It doesn't

Fate

I guess
Irmin is eclipse

He was probably like that before the Abyss got him

Could have been the last king or something idk

Vedrfolnir implies he was chill once

He could see into the future

He's beyond that

Possibly cause Irmin is separate from fate somehow

Would make sense

He told Irmin that he would fuck up and then Ved blinded him

Maybe he just saw the fate of the kingdom and not Irmin himself

He couldn't see that Irmin would blind him

Yeah
Fate of Teyvat as a whole then?

Something like it
Wonder how that works
Did Phanes/Istaroth design it or can they see fate on a higher level than the one Phanes makes?

Yeah Seutervoinen saw it too
So there's a higher level of fate going on

Yeah
But the constellations are weird too
Since it even has aliens like Skirk and The Narwhal

Just get him a gender neutral girlfriend

Yeah

Official art shipping him with another character 💀

Yeah that might be right

Yeah but these characters are supposed to be like 4d embodiments of concepts
So it's funnier to see them kiss

[river valve]

Well Aha is the embodiment of "lmao" so...

[thick oyster]

Yeah I don't play HSR but I know the basics of the lore

[sly bison]

Ya

[brave marten]

well I do believe Dottore has a savior complex of some kind

I don't really think he was lying to those memories

[brave marten]

everything about him is twisted

can't wait for his backstory of how he was raised

to become this kind of person

[thick oyster]

It's John the Untrustworthy

[thick oyster]

He just popped out like that

[brave marten]

that's not possible

[thick oyster]

My theory is that he had King Deshret's ba fragments in him
And they corrupted him because forbidden knowledge and what not

[brave marten]

sure that would explain but going with the route that his family and the people he was raised with are what shaped him up to be the person he is would be far more interesting

[thick oyster]

Like how Cyno and Sethos got Hermanubis' ba fragments when they were babies

[brave marten]

after all what kind of parents name their parents Zandik

[thick oyster]

But his people kicked him out

[brave marten]

yeah and we don't know the specifics of that yet

[thick oyster]

Zandik might mean something different in Genshin world

[brave marten]

💀

took me a while to get it

[brave marten]

maybe but genshin devs named him Zandik for a reason

[thick oyster]

Yeah cuz he's a heretic

[brave marten]

agreed

just the kind of relationship he had with Scara and Bina

do we know if he's from the desert or rainforest

[thick oyster]

Idk bro it's just a meme I found

Not really

We don't know what Zandik means in the Genshin verse though

[brave marten]

maybe

[thick oyster]

Probably the Desert
Since his mask is similar to the ones Eremites wear

Deshret was the sun and Dottore wanted to be the Moon
So it makes sense

He went to the Akademiya after getting banished though

[brave marten]

makes sense

[thick oyster]

He literally made himself one 💀

Or tried to

Probably some time in between I guess
But it's not like Dottore was banished from the forest

No

The ones in the desert at least
Serves as a good parallel to Nefer

No

He slimed her ass out

He already tried to frame her death as from tigers

It's not going to be a double twist

[brave marten]

bruh we don't have a full answer for all the stuff that happened to him and you're both assuming stuff

[thick oyster]

She said "I can fix him" and it was over for her right then and there

Why would they frame him

[brave marten]

frame the guy who no one loves and was always shunned? makes sense

[thick oyster]

We already know he was ruthless as a student too
Since even Thoth thought he might leave his fellow student to die

[brave marten]

why? no one knows, you don't know that he killed her either you're just assuming

[thick oyster]

He wasn't like that beforehand

[brave marten]

Thoth is a liar

[thick oyster]

Why would he lie about that though

[brave marten]

Dottore took care of his senior prior to even meeting Thoth

god of lies

why would a god of lies lie

for fun

[thick oyster]

His notes complain about him though

[thick oyster]

Not a God of lies
A God who lies

[brave marten]

complaining = / = wanting to kill him

[brave marten]

a god known for lies

[thick oyster]

Thoth lied about needing a descendant of Tutallyah to leave to his temple
That was the lie

[brave marten]

even Nefer said so

[thick oyster]

Thoth already lied about needing a descendant of whatever city to leave to Dottore
That was the lie

[brave marten]

that's not the only lie he lied

he's known for lies

Nefer said so herself

[thick oyster]

Thoth was just worried that he was going to be left to die

[thick oyster]

He lies to aggrandize himself and convince others to let him free
But he doesn't just lie for no reason

[brave marten]

his notes literally said Dottore took care of his senior

[thick oyster]

He has no reason to lie to Dottore or lie about him

[brave marten]

why would Dottore want to kill him

when he had the golden moment

to off him

when he was injured

[thick oyster]

Not kill him directly
Just abandon him to his fate

[brave marten]

and yet he did not

according to the notes

[thick oyster]

Because Thoth told him he needed him to leave

[brave marten]

were you in Dottore's head after Thoth said that?

we don't know

[thick oyster]

Were you?

[brave marten]

no but his notes imply another thing

you're going off Thoth's unfounded worries

and Dottore's story was how he was shaped to be the person he is due to the shit he experienced when he was a kid

to make him actually that ruthless and abandon his senior would contradict the message his story is trying to convey

[thick oyster]

No his story is that he's just a bad person
"Why does no one in the Fatui like me?" As he butchers kids

[brave marten]

that's a grand disrespect to the story genshin tried to convey with Dottore, he was a product of Sumeru's society prior to Nahida's retaking the title

[thick oyster]

Maybe

"Thankfully, the injury was limited to a few scrapes and a mild dislocation. After I popped the bone back into place, I had him lie down and rest. This whole thing will set us back a while, but perhaps that's not such a bad thing. For those like him who lack the skills, doing nothing might be the best contribution they can make."

So kind and caring

: "I mean, it's good that he helped treat his companion's wound, but it didn't seem like it was out of kindness. More like, he was looking out for his own self-interest... or thought he could get something out of it."

Layla literally says this right afterwards

[brave marten]

it's Layla

[thick oyster]

We don't know what he was like as a kid
All we know is that he was kicked out for doing....something

[brave marten]

how can Layla know all that when she never met him

• doing it out of self interest doesn't mean he'll abandon him later or wants to kill him

[thick oyster]

I think it's pretty clear what the narrative is trying to tell us

[brave marten]

if a kid did smoething wrong would you kick them out or teach them what's wrong or right?

[thick oyster]

Depends on what he did I guess

That is the full context

[brave marten]

the same narrative always portrays that Dottore was misunderstood since his birth

[thick oyster]

When is he portrayed as misunderstood?

Suuuuuuure

Dottore is actually pure good and donates to charities on the weekends

[brave marten]

the same event you talk about

his notes say something while Thoth and the other characters say something else

[thick oyster]

All that depicts him as is self-centered and arrogant

We already knew that

[brave marten]

no one said that, but it's pretty clear Dottore did not have a good upbringing

which lead to him being this way

[thick oyster]

Yeah they told him bed time stories that if he didn't kill 200 children everyday he would be eaten by the Aranara

He was always amoral

The main thing that ever depicts him as "misunderstood" is Nahida's fairy tale about Scaramouche
But even then that's a fairy tale and Dottore still kills Niwa

His second impression isn't good either
Or his third
Or his fourth

The secret good segment will save us all though

Can't wait for it

Yeah we'll get a secret good segment of Dottore that defeats his evil version

And that's the one that's playable

Isn't that what you want? 😭
You guys can't stop yapping about Dottore secretly being good

Yeah and he'll do that by making a secret good segment

[brave marten]

do we

[thick oyster]

Dottore seeing his secret good segment

[brave marten]

I'd rather he dies

[thick oyster]

The one wishing Aether impregnated him

Dottore will be the next seasonal waifu

[brave marten]

I want him to stay the way he is but that's cope so at least something like he stops doing massively evil stuff

[thick oyster]

If Raiden can get away with it
So can he

[brave marten]

did you actually say Capitano

[thick oyster]

Capitano has done no wrong
He's perfect

[brave marten]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[thick oyster]

They're dumb

[brave marten]

I agree with u it's just

none of the khaenrian high guards were

[thick oyster]

Yes

[brave marten]

especially not the one who became the First of the Fatui harbingers

💀

[ebon iris]

crap I almost said leaks here lol

Was gonna talk about dottore

[thick oyster]

The secret service
Was secret
Big surprise

[brave marten]

doesn't make him any better ✌️

[thick oyster]

It does
If he's Anfortas then he was against the Abyss from the beginning

Not really
Only Rerir and Irmin even seem to give a shit about them

The ones Rerir makes reports on were just normal people

Tholindis didn't need to hide her heritage since she didn't have X eyes
And Thorkell was another pawn of Irmin

Dainsleif didn't know explicitly

Why would Cap know

Idiot, Rerir says that he deluded himself into thinking Dain and his other friends would approve if they knew the truth
I.E. Dain didn't

He just thought Rerir was just a law enforcer most likely

Read the quest dialogue

[ebon iris]

we still dont know who her teacher is

and why she only told them about her lineage

[thick oyster]

"Abyssal Whisper: He's changed, ever since he fell under the spell of that power. In the beginning, he only had you take out a handful of the guilty... But now?"

[ebon iris]

(crack theory is its hroptatyr but i have no evidence otherwise)

[thick oyster]

"Rerir: What a fool I've been... Numbing myself with talk of justice, even imagining my friends would back me up. But in the end, I..."

So Rerir doesn't think his friends would back him

[ebon iris]

we have no evidence to prove that teacher is even related to tholindis

it could be just some random teacher

[thick oyster]

The quote explicitly says that Irmin changed under the influence of the Abyss

[ebon iris]

?? just bc theyre both crimson moon doesnt mean that whoever this rando is is the reason why tholindis got put on the hit list

we have no evidence otherwise

also

what

????????????????

are u doing a bit

ohhh i see

so you need to be muted then

no offense brochacho

those two yes

but not the ones after

[brave marten]

that's actually a good point but do we know if the teacher is a crimson moon descendant too?

[ebon iris]

we dont know if the ones after leading to the 6 year old are even all family related theyre just all CM people

[brave marten]

or are u saying they kill people who actively help crimson moon descendants too?

[ebon iris]

didnt thorkell say that

like who

:/

[brave marten]

others, surely Dain isn't his only friend

[ebon iris]

i just get the impression none of them were as important in his life lol

[ebon iris]

holy its been 2 hours

Rhinedottir: and also because you're slimy. Vedrfolnir, less so....

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i dont trust this dudeeeeee

his voice isnt saving him

?

i am but a lowly prophet