・lore-basement

[lilac coral]

Dude the more I watch them show and talk about miliastra wonderland the more I wonder how big that version update is going to be

[odd thicket]

Then the fourth one, invisible

[queen prawn]

I think Arlechinno is dealing with the wilderness hunter and exile?

It look like she is camping at an entrance somewhere near fatui base

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19495796

[river valve]

500 gigabytes

[queen prawn]

They didn't show that you can play in the original genshin?

Play those ugc character i mean

Or is it fake

[lost quail]

Right, she’s been busy with project sturzha with

TAR TAR TARGLIA

https://tenor.com/view/childe-childe-genshin-impact-childe-inazuma-genshin-impact-genshin-gif-23429037

[odd thicket]

Both dottore and tar tar too precious to deal with rerir

[worldly rain]

The sign of pyro sovereign in nod krai makes it look like it was the indeed the area where forth moon was being built before being left incomplete
And fatui are going to finish the experiment I guess

[lost quail]

Right, when will we see Dottore…

[odd thicket]

Hes the head honcho

We see his lab

Hear of his experiments

Ig they are saving him for later

[lost quail]

Arle came to run up

[odd thicket]

When wanderer comes ?

[river valve]

Durin patch most likely

So 6.2

[odd thicket]

Columbina being replaced by AI was not on my bingo

[odd thicket]

Ig she came to NK out of her own volition

Dottore and Tar tar are continuing on like no business

Maybe pierro knows hes gonna be disappointed

[river valve]

Its cool tho im not really hopeful but we may get info on her "ctimson/balemoon" powers

[queen prawn]

I thought Tsar ordered them to go there?

[river valve]

Tsar is dead

[odd thicket]

They are meant to be in sneznaya

[lost quail]

Right maybe she came to deal with-

[queen prawn]

Tsarista

[lost quail]

What.

[worldly rain]

Columbina saying the whole nod krai is sapping her life energy feels like the fourth moon is using her to be born?
It's Welkin moon vs new frostmoon
Who's winning this?

[lost quail]

HSES WHAT

[odd thicket]

Her wife ? Totally possible

[river valve]

[lost quail]

WHAT SHES

WHEN DID SHE DIE

[river valve]

Not tsaritsa

The tsar

[odd thicket]

They meant the Tsar

[lost quail]

…….

[river valve]

Belyi tsar

[odd thicket]

He got done in by the Genshin Rasputin

[queen prawn]

[lost quail]

What if we fought

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/just-dance-just-dance-unlimited-just-dance2-boney-m-rasputin-gif-26774191

[river valve]

[odd thicket]

Who may or
May not be
Rerir

[lost quail]

Cuz you scared me

What if we fought rn

[queen prawn]

I think it has to do with the fact the fatui is collecting her energy from the statue,aino canon and wild hunt,etc

[odd thicket]

Hopefully welkin

[odd thicket]

Thats not her kuuvahki tho

[queen prawn]

Columbina becomes the welkin moon

[odd thicket]

There are three moons in nod krai rn

The eternal, frost and the unfinished fourth

[river valve]

The unfinished fourth is nodkrai itself no?

[lilac coral]

They did

You can fight and use those characters in place of the traveler, take pictures with them and do anything else you'd be able to do with any normal playable character including whatever outfit you gave them

[queen prawn]

I mean,the fatui still collecting energy from her statue, so they are doing something

[river valve]

The physical moon i mean

[lilac coral]

You just can't use them in endgame content

[odd thicket]

Es

Yes

[lilac coral]

So no abyss, stygian onslaught, or theater

[queen prawn]

And I dont think the 4th moon is taking her life energy either, it is an unfinished moon, not every area have kuuvaki/red blue things.

[odd thicket]

They are dogshit for it anyway

[queen prawn]

And we have 2 big moons fragment as well

[river valve]

Could've been great for IT

Fodder character

[odd thicket]

Maybe

[river valve]

😔

[queen prawn]

Whale will achieve 20m dmg

[worldly rain]

Kinda weird though cause Columbina already gave most of her powers to tsaritsa for her plan(whatever it is)
So what use is left of her now among fatui....

[odd thicket]

Ngl i gave a newfound appreciation for Traveller

[odd thicket]

If you ignore the citlali, xianyun and bennett, yea

[river valve]

MORE POWER

[worldly rain]

Unless dottore is doing something hidden away from the sights of tsaritsa and has a plan for Columbina...

[queen prawn]

Put all the moon energy in her,which why it is called song of welkin moon(empty moon)

[odd thicket]

She used her powers to achieve something or expended it mainly on dottore’s experiments

[odd thicket]

Or pierro

Seeing columbina in action , shes obviously hydro and her attacks are akin to star fall

[lost quail]

Mhm.. she helping her gf deal with the local problem. I’m sure she’s glad to be next to columbina again.

She could be there to learn about her past
Deal with Dottore
And so happened to want to help Columbina with this issue.

I don't think arlecchino saved fontaine with ulterior motives in mind, since she became disinterested in the gnosis midway through the story.

So this time I don't think she's helping out to be entirely selfish. she was probably dealing with the wild hunt on her own and now has help

[queen prawn]

[river valve]

Nah fuck the tabibito

[odd thicket]

Maybe dottore and pierro used her powers to understand and plan accordingly to challenge the order of the world ? The moons were integral in the fate system too

[river valve]

Their twin aint even real 🙏🥀💔

[queen prawn]

Maybe their plan c is to freeze/flood the world with Columbina as a nuke

[odd thicket]

Ye
Shes got enough familiarity to go beyond formal orders and aid

Also only arle hates dottore
Columbina has no strong emotions

It seemed like her just gave her homework

[river valve]

I still think they're trying to make an artificial moon to have control over fate

[odd thicket]

GMC is a free defence IT win

[odd thicket]

The trailers also mention the veil of lies is slipping

Which reminded me to ask

Did the false sky break during the cataclysm ?

[queen prawn]

I'm too lazy to even change traveler element,I will take note

[lost quail]

What if dottore is the next big bad?

[worldly rain]

There is also the frostmoon scion prophecy that is left unfulfilled for now
Neither Reed nor Columbina fits the bill...
So something to do with welkin moon...

[odd thicket]

Tactical columbina payload

[odd thicket]

Which prophecy is it ?

[river valve]

Watch scara kill him offscreen

[odd thicket]

Why would he be ?

Hes getting a playable model
Lowest hanging fruit for it

Hes also a good person

[queen prawn]

Original Dottore wake up to see Scaramoche in front of his VR machine

[odd thicket]

Despite what his detractors say

[river valve]

If he also gets removed from irminsul istg

[river valve]

Singed of genshin fr

[lost quail]

Arle and Wanderer team up?

[odd thicket]

Otto

[worldly rain]

Creation of being that would merge with the world and overthrow the rules aka fate established by PO
That plan failed with Reed's mother and as for Columbina she was going to be born anyway cause she's the new frostmoon goddess

[lost quail]

I don't think experimenting on children VOLUNTEERINGLY, makes you a good person

[odd thicket]

Arlecchino will discover Dottore only ever asked for the kids to perform routine health check ups, the people of teyvat are unhygienic and superstitious

[odd thicket]

Source ? /j

[odd thicket]

So that is potentially tsaritsa’s plan ?

[lost quail]

HELP WAIT

ARLE LOOKED A BIT ANNOYED TALKING TO VARKA

LMSOO

[queen prawn]

Well,Columbina could just be the 4th moon instead of frost later on,she is empty/has little emotion, was drained of her power by both fatui and old frostmoon scion.

[odd thicket]

To use the gnosis, chop up tar tar, mix both and resurrect a descender ?

[odd thicket]

Hes radiating joestar energy

[worldly rain]

Unless the twist is that she's the welkin moon and not frostmoon goddess I doubt it

[lost quail]

LEAVE CHILDE ALONE

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph-joestar-battle-tendency-gif-17923881

[worldly rain]

That one is related to gnosis so not sure about that

[queen prawn]

I still hope that you can read Nefer mind with Nahida though

[odd thicket]

We saw how shared names/ fates can allow one person to supplant or merge with durin

[lost quail]

She smiled then looked a bit annoyed, varka trolling the knave? Or gave her bad news

[odd thicket]

Maybe she will do that for Tartar ? Hes already half way there with abyss proficiency, so when he sinks into and becomes one with the world her plan is fulfilled ?

[odd thicket]

Prolly the former

Never forget that his secret password is 12345

[lost quail]

Nefer is so cool, I bet ppl are gonna like having a new dendro dps after...........alhathem...

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-meme-meme-cooked-kinich-gif-15943415226177302725

[queen prawn]

[lost quail]

Bro hathem was cheeks.

[queen prawn]

What interaction does nefer have with the world? I didn't paid attention at that part

[odd thicket]

If genshin can give traveller some character they can give dottore some redemption arc too or release him evil

[odd thicket]

Kinich has a cool racist pet dragon tho

Amd hes spiderman

[odd thicket]

Special room at her office

[queen prawn]

That is all

[lost quail]

I'm glad I was right though. On arle being on our side. I'm always right bout her 🤭

[lost quail]

I FORGOT BOUT HIM.

[odd thicket]

For now

Expect interactions in nasha town

[odd thicket]

His mom left him too , like kaveh’s

[worldly rain]

We'll see yeah ajax is going to play important role if the whole fate is to be believed
But I wonder how that would fit with the whole breaking fate thing

[queen prawn]

Arlechinno is on Traveler side since her story quest anyways,she help us,we help her and her children in exchange

[lost quail]

You didn't have to bring that up

[queen prawn]

We are never seeing Kaveh mom in Fontaine

[odd thicket]

Ig its like a new sys admin for the planet

[lost quail]

So we might help her with her kids again

[odd thicket]

Notice how rerir is only hunting bina after Arle stepped into nod krai ?

Its a sign the french/ fontainian always make things worse

[queen prawn]

[lost quail]

BROOOO LMFAO

[queen prawn]

The gnosis bad luck is still in effect

[lost quail]

Shouldn't he be after arle too?

[odd thicket]

Can be a anecdote

[odd thicket]

No indication so far

[lost quail]

Crimson moon n shit

[worldly rain]

There's also the parallel with raiden and inazuma plot
I feel similar is going to happen
It's the struggle between pre destined fate or letting free will reign

[queen prawn]

Traveler might already have a secret gnosis,which is why things always get bad the moment we step into new region

[lost quail]

The wild hunt should be no dif actually

For her

[odd thicket]

They didnt show both in the same frame so no clue

[queen prawn]

Not when she is dealing with 1000 wilderness exile and hunter

[odd thicket]

Traveller will combine the wills of all nod krai and solo Rerir

[odd thicket]

But isnt rerir free from fate tho

[lost quail]

Looked like she was dealing with them fine if she pulled up a chair after

[odd thicket]

They had a deathstar they kinda forgor

[lost quail]

I'm not saying rerir

I'm saying the things in the trailer we saw her kill

[queen prawn]

She had to use her crimson form so they were no joke

[worldly rain]

Maybe I'm not sure
Given surtologi is still following his fate I feel other sinners are the same

[queen prawn]

Even lauma,a moonchanter still kinda struggling until she powered up

[odd thicket]

We will know in the next quesy

[lost quail]

Well duh. It's rerir. NO ONE is beating that mf.

[queen prawn]

No,it wasn't him there,he was dealing with Traveler

The fake twin scene

[lost quail]

You said lauma.

Lauma was in the trailer KO.

[odd thicket]

The khaenrian sinners are shown as a chess set

Were there five or six ?

[lost quail]

she put the thing before rerir

[queen prawn]

I was talking about 6.0 quets

[lost quail]

I was talking about the trailer

[odd thicket]

They heard the slander and swooped in to save his face

[lost quail]

I'm saying

Damn

[queen prawn]

I am just using lauma as an example someone like Lauma had to use her full power

[worldly rain]

Like neuv certainty isn't under fate by any means and yet he consciously chose to follow fate anyway
Sinners definitely seems to be different in that respect but they still aren't doing much to challenge the fate itself for now... That's the job of descenders still

[queen prawn]

I thought that was just rerir gnosis wannabe

[lost quail]

All I said was arle had the time to pull up a chair after ending a bunch of em. I'm saying her crimson moon abilities would probably make dealing with the wild hunt easier.

As in the fuck faces that were ghost zombies.

Never said she's beat Rerir

They should leave him alone at this poing

Bros too op

AUTO CORRECT

I caught you

[queen prawn]

Rerir gonna get absorb by Traveler like soup,trust

[odd thicket]

Then their “perfection” is odd

[worldly rain]

Five

[sly bison]

@lost quail To think Arle not only showed up this early

But will actually be directly involved

[worldly rain]

Who's? The dragons?

[queen prawn]

Really hope Traveler will use abyss absorption ability in luna 2 though

[sly bison]

They used it in Luna 1 too

To troll Rerir

[queen prawn]

Yeah,would love to see it again

[lost quail]

I'm pretty sure she's stronger than lauma anyway. She has moon powers.

Still can't beat a sinner but she's not gonna struggle that much like she did. Besides. Are went boss mode on us and that wasn't because she was struggling. In fact she used only a bit of her effort. She didn't even go all out.

[queen prawn]

Collecting Rerir body part and eat his abyss power

[lost quail]

Right! There's gotta be more in store for her here

Dottore appearance?!

[odd thicket]

No the sinners
Skirk said they are chasinf after perfection

[lost quail]

Then we have sandrone too. Again not as strong as arle is, but she's a fucking genius.

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-genya-demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-genya-gif-7678103479526093707

[lost quail]

Team is goated

[odd thicket]

Sandrone
Arlecchino
Lauma
Nefer
Traveller
Flins
Durin
Varka
Jahoda
Aino
Ineffa
Columbina
Dori

Vs

Rerir

Hes getting the Sukuna treatment

[queen prawn]

She almost beheaded Traveler,I don't think she wasn't being serious,she must have put a lot of hope in Traveler to be capable of dodging her attack lol.

[lost quail]

If she was serious this kids would be dead.

You do know that right

Off topic. But quora sucks

It's like 4 chan.

[worldly rain]

They are i guess in their own way
Like surtologi or even rhine doesn't care about breaking fate being their end goals at all
We'll see if rerir is different in this regard or he too has his own separate goal
The only one shown to be actually going after fate is verdofnir...and his brother somewhat
As for last one they haven't even arrived in the scene for now

[odd thicket]

Why would you use quora

Its echo chamber atop echochamber

[lost quail]

I don't. I get notifications for it because I wanted to know about space..

I thought the smart people there were actually smart

[lost quail]

Plus I didn't say she WASNT I said she didn't go all out on us

She and Lynette straight up confirm she didn't. She didn't use that much effort. Cuz she doesn't when doing this normally

[lost quail]

I KNOW. ITS WORSE THAN REDDIT

HOW CAN YOU BE WORSE THAN REDDIT

[odd thicket]

Twitter exists

[odd thicket]

nah delete it and mute updates

[lost quail]

I will

Absolutely will

[odd thicket]

its facebook for i am not like those people

[lost quail]

r/iamverysmart

Off topic off topic

I've fallen in love with the idea of Mama Chasca waaaaaa

Wait wait I got more excerpts for you

[odd thicket]

why ?

[lost quail]

hehhehehehehe

I like her and Apichu

[lost quail]

Also as for your earlier questions.

It's like a fight club for teens, but the teens are fighting for the pettiest reasons. Like really petty reasons.

Sparring in a friendly way is normal

These teens aren't being friendly and Mavuika not gone like that. So that's why they didn't tell her or any adult.
The medical staff aren't even medical staff they just have bandages, ice packs and can do stitches. If someone breaks their jaw they can't do something but put an ice pack on it.

[onyx badger]

Anyone feels like this particular piece on the rightmost position that's supposed to represent ||Hroptatyr|| looks like a smiling mask from this angle?

[lost quail]

Uh ppl think arlecchino is a father I Colombina..believe what you want..its not canon but like...

Dude

[lilac coral]

BINH IS ALIVE??

HOLY SHIT

[patent cloud]

@odd thicket Who is the woman saying "A visionless visionary? scoff"

0:31

[patent cloud]

@odd thicket It actually seems like the reason the sinners ultimately lost is because they fought eachother.

It wasn't just that they went their own separate ways, but that some of them fought.

[lost quail]

O looks so pretty

Octavia

[patent cloud]

Might be that Vedrfolnir and Rhinedottir teamed up to destroy Rerir.

Surtalogi left to do his own thing.

And Hroptatyr is unknown still.

[lost quail]

Gonna draw fusion art

I like Steven universe

[odd thicket]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/SWl3pDIZWw

Octavia is the THE fischl ?

[odd thicket]

I see the vision

[queen prawn]

I mean,they went on their separate way but still have beef with each other so they fight at some point

Probably when they got strong enough,they fought

Let see why Rerir got ganged on so bad by them

[odd thicket]

Healer with a vision ? Or all of then fighters ?

[odd thicket]

Rhinedottir

[queen prawn]

Is her voice in leak

Cuz it could be random important npc that is mocking his title ||or younger rerir voice or past Khaenriah npc voice||

[odd thicket]

In wings of fates intertwined description it is said Dainsleif assembled all sinners after his brother was imprisoned and blinded

Hes the one who introduced them to each other

Glider desc spoiler : || Dainsleif introduced Surtologi to Vedrfolnir before||

[odd thicket]

Yep

[odd thicket]

They seem unbothered by his absence and whereabouts while he is Phane’s sinner mirror, seems he was done for

[odd thicket]

It has the same high tone Rhine has in the shades trailer so yes

[odd thicket]

We hear vedrfolnir’s voice right after

And surtologi and hroaptatyr’s too

[patent cloud]

lmao it could literally just be this

Bro thought he could copy the actual god and just got smoked on the spot.

[odd thicket]

Or he became too strong and got lost

The demiurge is truly monstrous or demonic

[patent cloud]

Phanes telling Hroptatyr to stop stealing his chicken nuggets

[odd thicket]

If Pohjola is indeed Abyss then Phanes was residing there

[odd thicket]

Phanes did go into a coma right after

They broke his false sky

[patent cloud]

We dunno that.

Bro could have been sleeping since War of Vengeance.

[odd thicket]

True
The tsurimi mural does say the heavens are asleep

[patent cloud]

Like, credit to the sinners and all, but they aint shit compared to Phanes.

Nibelung infused by the abyss tho?

[odd thicket]

Rhinedottir made a being that is potential above his grade

[patent cloud]

Nibelung is built different.

[odd thicket]

No coue

Xlue

Clue

[patent cloud]

Nah he could challenge Phanes.

[odd thicket]

Nibelung was annihilated
He could have challenged Phanes without abyss and won imo

[patent cloud]

It took Phanes' side what, like 30 years to fully defeat Nibelung?

30 YEARS.

[odd thicket]

No

40 years to defeat dragons

They fought Nibelung just once

[queen prawn]

Immortality ? Maybe but Phane could just... find another planet lol

[odd thicket]

Too late for that

Their whole power is concentrated in teyvat

[queen prawn]

In term of strength, it couldn't even handle some special Natlanese

But it is "immortal " so

[odd thicket]

There is something we dont mnow

We got no info on what happened to Vanessa

[onyx badger]

Yep, I still am. It's nolstagic to know there's still someone remembering me here

In any case, those who know me enough probably also know I'm a big advocator for the "Pygmies = Sinners + Dains" analysis. Due to that, I have always been a believer that the "foolish pygmy" that should represent Hroptatyr also has a connection to a certain notable Khaenri'ahn "fool" that we already know

[onyx badger]

Meaning that further analysis of the chess piece that supposedly Hroptatyr's and whether or not it's some kind of "smiling/laughing mask" can make or break said analysis

As far as leak goes, we also get to ||hear Hroptatyr's voice|| (Luna 2 story spoiler). So that's another way that thought piece of my can be either debunked or reinforced

[odd thicket]

We got lore update

Pygmies are more likely to be fae than sinners

[onyx badger]

Is it? Despite the ever more detailed description that we have got from each of the Sinners?

[odd thicket]

Yeah
A fae got the third descender killed

Also, we only have one volume of the pale princess

The pygmy lore bits are datamined and not released as such STC

[onyx badger]

Cus after Skirk's quest and knowing Surtalogi's philosophy about fear, I'm more confident connecting him to the timid/scaredy pygmy now

[onyx badger]

It is fair, yes

[odd thicket]

The parallels are there however

But for now it is Genshin Santa who put descender into a position to die

[onyx badger]

Fair enough, after all, it's not particularly proper to base your hypothesis around unreleased contents and all

And without Pygmies - Sinners parallel, explaining the contradictions against Pierro - Hroptatyr just means jumping across a whole lot of headcanon

[odd thicket]

One thing i am grateful for this theory is forcing dain into the sinner group

[lost quail]

No

They have.. no idea what they’re doing besides one who’s only being trained

Those teens are fucked without parental supervision

Mavuika will not like this at all

[odd thicket]

We got hard confirmation from Skirk that the power was split six ways

And there are just five sinners

[onyx badger]

Damn, I didn't notice that part

[lost quail]

Apichu will send someone twitching on the floor

[odd thicket]

Hroaptatyr - Pierro ?

[odd thicket]

The candidates are Dainsleif or Irmin or lost to the wild

[odd thicket]

It wont be fun otherwise

[odd thicket]

Have them explore Och Kan Natlan

[lost quail]

I LOVE MAMA CHASCA CORE

WEEEEEE. Chasca and Apichu have the sweetest- I wrote them so sweet.

Chasca would be a nice mom in game. She seems sweet enough.

[onyx badger]

Yeah, connecting Pierro to the "foolish pygmy" was the best I could do before 5 Sinners were properly revealed as a concept, cus, y'know, "fools-fatui". At some point, I did want to drop that cus there are contradiction as for why Pierro and Hroptatyr can't be the same but somehow, after Rhine revealong her "old acquaintence" with Pierro and how "Pierro has thrown away his obsession", I'm feeling a bit more vindicated with the hypothesis again

[lost quail]

What won’t be?

[odd thicket]

Pierro never discarded his obsession

And the paleflame set reveals he was made a Jester in favor of Hroaptatyr, no ?

I dont recall which trailer or dialogue

[onyx badger]

His previous one that we don't know of. It's hard to say when the current "killing god" obsession becoming his goal

[odd thicket]

But the sages didnt heed his warning

[lost quail]

Nepecha, Apichu, and Kachina? Yeah

They’re the main trio of the story I’m writing

The teenagers are legit having a kind of illegal underground fight club though. I wonder if Mavuika would be more upset that they’re fighting for stupid shit or that they didn’t tell family and now 5 kids are in the ICU

[odd thicket]

If Pierro and Hroap are the same then Dain wouldnt have let him live in the open for 500 years

[odd thicket]

Prolly the latter
Natlanese are just built different and for war and she had understand

[odd thicket]

The stakes

[odd thicket]

I think the previous one was gaining autonomy for all humanity from heavens

But after cataclysm he turned to revenge and tsaritsa took his formee goal

[lost quail]

I respect people viewing Natlan cast as a huge family

It’s cute

I only have two Natlan ships anyway, Mavuinen and ifaron. But no joke? It’s not like a large friend group or familial group can’t exist and there be at least two couples.

So there can still be a sort of family friendship thing about the cast with likw at least two couples

Itll just be like a family.

Is that weird? If it’s weird I’m not explaining it well

[onyx badger]

Not exactly. Pale Flame's Mocking Mask said that he calls himself "a fool, a jester" because he failed to gain Irmin's favor and wasn't as wise as the sage(s) rather than being made a Jester by Hroptatyr's advocation. And while the "The Wise" title in CN can indeed be translated as "The Sage", it's also just a word for sage, wise one in general as it's also used for Sumerian sages and the Lavawalker.

The argument I use to explain this part is how other 2 Sinners, Vedr and Surta, along side with Dains all faced some prejudice within Khaenri'ahns higher-ups. With 3 out of 6 receiving poor treatment despite supposedly being "the best of their field", I think it's possible that Hroptatyr, despite being hailed as "The Wise/The Sage" didn't actually receive the favor and adoration his title suggests, nor was the title an indication of an official position of power in the palace. The trope where "the wiser one's voice aren't listened to by those in power" is also not too uncommon that it can certainly happen

[lost quail]

No no she would understand I’m saying she wouldn’t like the fact they didn’t tell anyone, and it got to the point where now 5 kids are in the icu..

And the reasons for the fighting is the pettiest shit that couldve been solved by talking it out .

Dead ass I’m having a fight happen because someone ate someone’s snack.

A kid was put in the icu over a snack

[onyx badger]

Of course, being big Capitano's and Pierro's fan, I can't ignore a blatant contradiction for Hropierro hypothesis. Cap is still obviously not cool with the Sinners, he still call them out during Natlan AQ, so he shouldn't be working with Pierro if he's Hroptatyr, per se

[odd thicket]

Nah its fine
Family is the best way to put them

[odd thicket]

Isnt that chasca’s childhood

[odd thicket]

Peak

Core childhood events

[lost quail]

Like Mavuika and xilonen can still date and the whole group can still be a huge family. Why do people think the opposite

[onyx badger]

Then there's the part with Dain not doing anything to Pierro, though Dain is less of a problem compare to Capitano. The Wise can simply "hide" himself (while maintaining public appearance) better than others, having powers to blaspheme "Reason" and all. Arlecchino did note that Pierro knows a lot about her, yet her, being an intel gatherer, haven't grasp much of Pierro's past yet

[odd thicket]

Ye

Hroaptatyr being a Sage makes sense coz all of the sinners failed to stop Irmin from rocking the world and collapsing the fake sky (though it could be Mad Monk’s doing). I recall somewhere in Pierro’s lines that they goaded him into the ritual to gain Forbidden Knowledge

[odd thicket]

Less of a problem ? Wdym

And yeah Arlecchino and every other harbinger except maybe Dottore and Capitano are in the dark regarding Pierro

[lilac coral]

Welcome back binh

[onyx badger]

Hi there

[lost quail]

Chasca did not almost kill someone over a snack

Dead ass? I think I’m doing too much with the Apichu and Chasca parallels. Only difference is I’m pretty sure Chasca didn’t have a whole existential crisis, self loathing yeah

Apichu does have a lot of wild girl moments though. That kid she fought was found wigless and she was still out for blood. That’s why I like Chasca being her mom/mentor

They have alot in common alresdy and she gives her a lot of advice

Formal feral child raising a feral child is a dynamic I wish was more common

[odd thicket]

Chasca used to be a fighter with low temperament in her childhood. She neednt have beaten someone so bad but beating was defo done

[odd thicket]

Reminds me of the person holding another rabid person on a leash meme

[lost quail]

LMAOOO

A fight in my story between two teens happens because someone was trying to steal another person’s girl.

Would Mavuika make them stop doing this? I feel like she’d have to step in because Apichu straight up mauled a guy so bad the stitches were needed.

[onyx badger]

Perhaps it's because I have this impression that Dain can be outwitted and that The Wise, being "Wise" and planning to usurp "Reason" that he is, can keep Dains away while still practically standing in broad daylight.

[lost quail]

She beat the stink out of people.

People are like “yeah that’s Chasca’s kid alright.” For a reason

That’s why she doesn’t really like it when Apichu does what she used to do. Chasca doesnt have sharp teeth either but Apichu does because she’s a hyrax. Apichu does more damage

And I said she aims for the neck and wrist. That kid was cooked.

Chasca is low-key really cool

https://tenor.com/view/chasca-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-chasca-flower-feather-gif-10120415076915145320

High key actually

I don’t like her design too much

But I think her character is really cool

[odd thicket]

This does seem possible

Hroaptatyr could have been running around as Pierro to collect the gnoses

Afterall, even Surtologi wanted Skirk to search for the Voyager

[odd thicket]

Steal ?

[odd thicket]

They did a disservice to her

[lost quail]

Relationship drama

[lost quail]

Her design couldve been so much better

A lot of their designs actually

[odd thicket]

Ah

[odd thicket]

For natlan they forgor the sauce for chasca and ororon

Everyone else is normal

[lost quail]

Apichu fought for honor cuz a guy messed with them at a hot spring then harassed kachina

[odd thicket]

Good

[lost quail]

HEAVY ON ORORON

[odd thicket]

Jeans, pale skin and emo in the nation of the sun

🥀

[lost quail]

Bats can be dark skinned as well

[odd thicket]

Yes but he is pale af

He also farms in the open

Like

Theres so much clutter

[lost quail]

Btw Apichu gets a gf later on in the writing when she leaves Natlan

Unlike Chasca as well, Apichu is having a really tough time dealing with people and their prejudice so she leaves Natlan

With the two girls in toe

They think it’s an adventure but ahe just straight up doesnt wanna go back to Natlan

[lost quail]

So much

[odd thicket]

well mondstadt opens its arms

to everyone including sinners

[worldly rain]

No he didn't
He only told her to travel teyvat and get familiar with the world he came from...

[odd thicket]

he did guide her

[worldly rain]

His guidance was to travel teyvat yes as told in her story quest too
Didn't mention Voyager at all though

He wanted her to get familiar with the world

[odd thicket]

surtologi told her of the gnoses didnt he

[worldly rain]

Also it was the silver tree aka irminsul that she found at the edge of the North which then showed her the "treasure" which is most likely forbidden knowledge
It's part of her travels..

[odd thicket]

for whom ?

skirk ?

yeah it is her

[worldly rain]

I don't think so in fact that's exactly why he told her to go and see for herself
All the history and knowledge about teyvat to experience it for herself just like once he did

[odd thicket]

me thinks he told her stories of his past life, his colleagues and the story of the voyager

just enough for her to figure out and train to fight him someday

hm

[worldly rain]

Yeah he did tell her about himself but I don't think it's everything otherwise she wouldn't need to travel all over the place if she knew everything beforehand

[odd thicket]

so suurtologi didnt tell her about him

she can contact him at any moment ?

[worldly rain]

Probably although this was back in Fontaine so don't know how muh changed

[odd thicket]

since both are in game it is safe to assume it is consistent at leasnt ,no ?

[worldly rain]

Yes unless it's shown otherwise at later stage

[lost quail]

She finds her girlfriend
in inazuma. Her name is Himeko and in my story her family take her in.

Kachina and Nepecha unfortunately had to return and tell everyone INCLUDING CHASCA thar Apichu isnt coming back and since Apichu told the two not to be specific, everyone either assumes that means she’s dead or she’s refusing to come home.

All
The while Apichu is just in inazuma. Apichu has crash out moments but believes being in inazuma will lessen them.

But she gets very homesick

[worldly rain]

"I have a question.."
"Are you done with the training? "
"uh no? But I have ques.. "
"I don't care travel more"

Leaked chat of skirk and surtologi

[odd thicket]

apichu joins itto's gang there ?

[lost quail]

Yes

[lost quail]

I kin Jahoda. She’s my favorite

Also I wonder what they’ll be talking about and why Arlecchino was smiling

Her character art and other in game scenes shows she’s not a non smiler, just not a smiler very often

When she does it’s either a genuine smile or a business smile. Her business smile has only ever shown when being a diplomat, but this isn’t a diplomatic situation

[odd thicket]

is there another frame where she is smiling ?

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/jahoda-jahoda-genshin-jahoda-kucing-joget-jahoda-dance-genshin-jahoda-gif-1530812624521343293

[odd thicket]

nefer showed up with rerir's search history

[lost quail]

Yes. I saw it in the live stream.

Also why do I feel like Arle and nefer could be good friends

They have some things in common

[odd thicket]

arle - info gatherer
nefer - also info gatherer

yelan - info gatherer

omg

yeah this one

[lost quail]

But yes, and she loves being with the Arataki gang. They get into things and don’t mind her wilding out. At the time of the story, Itto is 37

37 and still a gang leader lmao.

[odd thicket]

37 ?????

[lost quail]

I want them all to be friends

[odd thicket]

that sad

[lost quail]

In my story yeah, it’s a time jump

[odd thicket]

37 and beefing with kids

😭

[odd thicket]

need them all to be in the same frame

[lost quail]

Apichu calls him uncle Itto

[odd thicket]

nefer has met yelan in an anecdote

[odd thicket]

wont he prefer big bro

[lost quail]

Imagine people start shipping her and nefer

I won’t complain, but I’d think they’d be more friends

Arlebina is my otp canon x canon ship anyway that involves Arle

[lost quail]

Yes

Yes reached unc status

He’s* but would prefer it

Still apichu will begin to miss Natlan. And will miss chasca most of all

She will miss mama bird

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[odd thicket]

one large polyshipp

nefer, arle, yelan, whom else ?

[odd thicket]

take her to mondstadt

people wont be judgemental there

[lost quail]

Himeko is in inazuma tho

[lost quail]

Ship name would be social network

[odd thicket]

PERFECT

[odd thicket]

she can go to inazuma too

they accept everybody

she had to use her spider form

[lost quail]

That’s the plan for her to finally decide to live in inazuma. Her and nepecha and kachina are adventuring, and all the while apichu is using this as a guise for her true plan to figure out where to stay permanently

Only to to get home sick and miss Natlan and chasca and her friends , but that’s months later.

[lost quail]

Well it’ll get rid of them faster if she does

I hope we see her use her sharp claw like things like in the cutscene in her story quest

[odd thicket]

she is representative of the whales for next SO fighting sigurd coz they didnt pull nor build flins, nefer, aino

having to bruteforce

[lost quail]

But yeah they should all get together and hang out

I ship nefer x lauma too so that’s why I’m like “let’s have nefer and Arle just be friends. They feel more like they’d be friends to me”

[lost quail]

Lmfao

[lost quail]

I just hope columbina and arlecchino have nice moments.

Arlecchino smiling makes me happy

[odd thicket]

how do you plan on taking the home sickness forward ?

[odd thicket]

nefer did beat arle once, while helping diluc escape sneznaya

[sly bison]

Aether x Flins

Or Aether x Varka

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/marrochi-evil-smile-мюнинг-gif-10440061154726646162

[odd thicket]

Aether x Rerir x Varka x Flins

[lost quail]

She’s smiled like how she did in the teaser before

Like twice

[sly bison]

Where’d Lauma go

[odd thicket]

rerir and varka are the same model 👀
that one leak might be true

[sly bison]

She’s jumping Rerir too

[odd thicket]

shes for the girls

[odd thicket]

wdym jump
this isnt a ship ?

[lost quail]

Well I dunno

At first I was like “maybe she returns home.”
Even Himeko tells her she should cuz she hears her crying about how much she misses chasca.

[sly bison]

Jump ship

[lost quail]

What

Did nefer say that

[odd thicket]

diluc jumped all of the harbingers at once to take revenge for this father's death

an unnamed person with a vast underground network across sneznayya helped him escape

there is only one such person in nod krai who has networks like that

[lost quail]

All of them?

Columbina was busy and Arlecchino was in Fontaine

How could he fight ALL of them?

[odd thicket]

the harbingers gather now and then

[lost quail]

He beat up columbina ?!

[odd thicket]

lol

[lost quail]

Ew diluc

[odd thicket]

hes too weak to even take on childe

he was wielding a vision and delusion

[sly bison]

Kill one Genshin character

[odd thicket]

ig at best he tried to assassinate but failed

[sly bison]

Who’s it gonna be

[lost quail]

Then you can’t say he jumped them. Why did you say he jumped them if he couldn’t even beat childe? I don’t think nefer beat any of them, she just helped him escape.

[odd thicket]

i am still laughing

[agile atlas]

I genuinely don't think it was Nefer

[odd thicket]

nefer "beat" arle by having diluc escape

[odd thicket]

what ?

[odd thicket]

jump = surprise
he thought he could have taken someone in surprise but didnt

[sly bison]

😭

[odd thicket]

The Fatui's rulers, the Harbingers, monitored Diluc's progress from the shadows. The prowess with which he laid waste to numerous Fatui strongholds caught their attention and forced them to take action.

Diluc narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Harbingers thanks to a third-party observer from the north, who was part of a vast underground intelligence network. The observer claimed to have been watching Diluc for some time, and approved of his methods.

After his close encounter with death, Diluc took a long hard look at his past and the anger he had harbored for so long. Acknowledging his shortcomings, he decided to join the underground intelligence network.

Just like when he first joined the Knights of Favonius, Diluc committed himself fully to his work. His talents and skills saw him rise steadily through the ranks into the upper echelons of the network.

The network was made up of volunteers, and many of its members had willingly given up their prior positions and reputations to join. Some had even abandoned their names.

Could working with these new comrades finally restore the faith he once clung to? The faith that had been all but destroyed in the events surrounding his father's death?

nvm i got fooled by a certain anmation or artpiece

[lost quail]

I’m wondering though if her smiling was because she was trying to get him on their side or not

It’s not like Arlecchino isn’t capable of being genuinely friendly. She’s been friendly before. She’s genuinely smiled many times in official art and even in moments in game like when she joins the party or when she sits down.

Maybe she’s being friendly.

[sly bison]

10th Harbinger reveal when

[lilac coral]

I vote for that blue fellow in the back

[lost quail]

I wouldn’t qualify that as beating, but I do get what you mean.

I just wonder what their conversation would be in game. Nefer and Arlecchino

Would it be like nefer and yeah?

Yelan

[lost quail]

Who do you think it was?

[odd thicket]

prolly that

and theres no reason not to

[lost quail]

Right. People think Arle pretends to be nice all the time. Arle is capable of being nice and friendly

[odd thicket]

the arcanum card hints this (them being the tenth is ever more likely)

[agile atlas]

Maybe a charactee we haven't meet that's actually from Snez and not on Nod Krai. I mean, we have to take into account that Nod Krai wasn't always planned to actually exist, and Diluc's lore on this is years old.
Nefer has shown in the last welkin quests that she doesn't favour any party, including fatui or someone against the fatui, that's why she didn't want Jahoda affiliated as a worker during the infiltration on the fatui nod krai base. I'm pretty sure she also sells information to the fatui and doesnt play sides. The text that the other member sent about it doesn't sound like Nefer's organization at all

[odd thicket]

ig yes

[lost quail]

I seeee

[agile atlas]

Besides, Nefer is going to become playable next patch, if the game wanted for her and diluc to actually have a connection, they would have made it a voiceline or something (not like i have watched the leaks but it would have been a hit topic online if the voiceline did exist)

For other characters hoyo hasnt feared to show some connection, don't see why they would hide this stuff beyond a random organisation

[lost quail]

Can’t wait for voiceline leaks

Do those usually appear when a character is released?

[agile atlas]

Voiceline leaks tend to happen before the patch when beta testers test out the character, then the players that obtain that character on release are able to access some character voicelines that unlock upon leveling the character up and so

Not like we should talk about leaks tho

[odd thicket]

no we can

[lost quail]

I kinda feel bad for Arle in a way.
Imagine ppl assume you’re not friendly even when you’re trying to be. She’s been friendly…..

[odd thicket]

but nefer's voicelines havent yet been updated

[agile atlas]

Maybe I'm proven wrong then

[odd thicket]

on project ambr

[agile atlas]

I just think that Nefer has been shown as someone that doenst favour a particular party and searches benefit rather than helping some random from mondstadt to escape the harbingers

[odd thicket]

voynich guild does fit some of the descriptions, perhaps once nefer is out with her story quest we will learn more

[agile atlas]

It would be more beliveable if it was an actual rebel existing organization in Snez, no?

[odd thicket]

this random is a mondstadt aristocrat with lots of wealth tho
can easily be her mondstadt plug if she saved him

[agile atlas]

True, its an interesting theory, this one of yours so I liked reading it. If it does become true I will have nothing against it

[odd thicket]

thus far no whispers of rebellion yet

the only such movement is from the tsaritsa herself moving against the heavens

[odd thicket]

like most theories

[odd thicket]

it forever ruined her image

[agile atlas]

yeah they've been setting out nod krai to be the "rebellion" against the fatui which makes me doubt that there will actually be a rebel organization in Snez, but archon story wise there HAS to be someone that is against the fatui and with the traveler or atleast neutral no? We've always been set on a group of people being against the problematic of the nation, and the problematic of the nation is kinda the fatui, atleast in our perspective

idk if im explaining myself well here

[odd thicket]

in sneznaya the "enemy" could just be abyss or other harbingers or if bold enough, celestia themselves in some shape

in nod krai for now it is the wild hunt

the fatui are frenemies

[agile atlas]

For that we would technically have to side with the fatui, which I can only see happening if nod krai develops towards that way, but in this 6.0 patch its been the opposite, since they have villanized them and their influence on nod krai

[lost quail]

I get ppl assume she might pretend to be friendly for ulterior motives. But has Arle genuinely always done that? I’m asking. I don’t think she pretended to be nice to the children she took in. I think she genuinely felt bad for them. Her actions speak louder than her words and they’ve well earned her trust.

She’s pretty reliable too, and again, has genuinely smiled and been friendly. Only time I see her “pretending” is in diplomatic settings.

She’s kinda dramatic. She tells us she’ll play the role of the good visitor when she’ll do it anyway. Then casually says “the children can have a bbq party here” SHE THROWS BBQ PARTIES FOR HER KIDS. She doesn’t have to do that. She genuinely thinks they should have them because she knows a few faces will be missing and she ACTUALLY enjoys them. And she cares alot about the kids and family. As her childhood had her feel that way.

I just feel bad for her

[lost quail]

Oh yeah im not denying that

[odd thicket]

ig they see arle behave like yelan in event quests they get that perception

[odd thicket]

they can pin it down to dottore or sandrone being too prideful for it

also, the arcana card "The Fool" hints traveller likely joining the fatui as the tenth

[agile atlas]

I mean i get that she has some sympathy and genuinely treats the kids of the hearth like kids since well, technically she was raised there by the fatui harbinher predecessor to her, and she decided to break that cycle of violence because she knew out of all people that the children needed a home and not to just kill eachother and see who was the strongest?
I think its well written

[lost quail]

Yeah.

She’s a bad person, just not evil or a completely bad person.

Ya did. She’s done a lot of bad things that I don’t really approve of.

Technically.. nefer isn’t a good or bad person either . She seems morally grey

[agile atlas]

its late im doing somw typos sorry

[odd thicket]

you can say shes good but not wholly good

like nefer, yelan and kinich

[agile atlas]

Mhm I think in the next patch Sandrone is going to participate in some extent with the Traveller because of Columbina and the shared enemy of Rerir

I wouldnt pin it down on her being villanous

[odd thicket]

wdym some extent she had rerir inside the fatui design bureau

shes directly involved like the others to put him down

[agile atlas]

Huh

[odd thicket]

yeah a shot was in the trailer

[agile atlas]

Oh what I might have missed that let me go back to watch it

[lost quail]

Right. But she knew the Fatui life isn’t the life for everyone so she lets them go. I don’t think she’s killed any of her kids and likely got the fire blood pretty pretty early on. Because we never see anything that implies that she has. In fact. The executions are outright confirmed as wordplay.

I think she knew she had to “punish” the kids some way because she knows the house needs that. But she was like “I’m not killing these kids man” and it makes me sad to see people think she has when she likely would’ve kept going and killed the kids if she had already killed some.

No reason for her to stop all of a sudden if she actually did execute the children by killing them. So logically, she hasn’t done it and wouldn’t

[lost quail]

Yeah morally grey

I love Nefer already

She’s gonna be my fav out of the cast I can feel it

[agile atlas]

I dont think its like that

It looks more like Rerir went with the Wild Hunt to attack it

Could be a plan of Sandrone of course, since she expects him in some way

Like having something he wants, so, the moon fragment in the bureau(?)

[agile atlas]

Now i dont understand this after confirming we're kind of working with sandrone on our side already against Rerir

[odd thicket]

the moon fragment is at the very bottom and he is at the mid level where raskalnikov tries to crush netochka and traveller

[odd thicket]

there has to be some explanation for the fatui being antagonistic to the scions
either it has to be sandrone or dottore's contigent

and since sandrone is playable she will be whitewashed

that leaves dottore to bear the brunt

[agile atlas]

Well sandrone stated it wasnt her work and all that when talking to columbina and about that moon scion fragment thing, so that she wouldnt put too much effort on it leading to dottore so checks out

My hopes for playable dottore every day is going more downhill...

[odd thicket]

dw we will get him as a clone

well he has many clones

[agile atlas]

hope its not the comic clone

[odd thicket]

we will get the good one

odds increase if that clone is female

[agile atlas]

i want my evil king playable

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/zandik-lesbottore-gif-10942584311000019729

this one ?

[agile atlas]

totally plausible atp

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/xilonen-mavuinen-gif-6830392892361199796

[odd thicket]

idk why this particular gif is like that

[agile atlas]

EW YES

I DISLIKE THAT DESIGN

[odd thicket]

nah its cte

[agile atlas]

In his comic panels he just looks like a twink

[odd thicket]

cute

[agile atlas]

[odd thicket]

it looks like a bond villain

[odd thicket]

is that bad ?

[agile atlas]

Let me show you some other pics

[odd thicket]

her animations are buttery smooth

[agile atlas]

Not really, but i dont tend to like those type of characters so for me yes

[lost quail]

Xilonen is beautiful

[lost quail]

I wanna make an ice skater au for Natlan

[agile atlas]

Nvm cant send pics

But i dont like his shark teeth in the comics

[agile atlas]

Honestly should reclaim my old acc exp but i dont think i can do that

[odd thicket]

you can in #・genshin-spoilers i think

[odd thicket]

you can

[agile atlas]

Let me see

[odd thicket]

i forgort the command for it

[agile atlas]

ik but only if its the same acc, i deleted that one and created a new one so i dont think i can

[odd thicket]

oh
then rip

[agile atlas]

Ah

Someone asked earlier about the visionless visionary voiceline

Oh it was answered nvm

[lost quail]

Apichu’s headcanon voice is mirabel btw

https://tenor.com/view/mirabel-madrigal-gif-27147778

[sly bison]

Why is he tanned and a lesbian

[sly bison]

My headcanon is that manga Dottore was the one that had the menacing voice before dying in 3.x

[odd thicket]

THis clone is from Natlan

[agile atlas]

He went through that 2021 era

[odd thicket]

You first based her on a croods character no ?

https://tenor.com/view/ready-sandy-randy-thom-the-croods-pant-gif-19072998

[agile atlas]

Sumeru Dottore is my king pls let him be

[sly bison]

He must’ve stolen most of the melanin from the playable cast except Ifa and Iansan (and Mualani took whatever was left for herself).

That scoundrel…

[lost quail]

That’s 6 year old apichu or current apichu. The apichu I’m writing in the future au in 16 years old.
Everyone is either 20 30 or 40.

It’s a 10 year jump.

The Natlan gang are in their 30s or 40 s depending on my headcanon ages for them

[odd thicket]

Dottore is Yakub confirmed

[odd thicket]

Iansan retirement ?

[lost quail]

Why would she?

[odd thicket]

to give varesa space / growth

shes already in her 30s or 40s

[lost quail]

True

Varesa would be the new tribe gym coach

Would be a fantastic arc

[lost quail]

Hehehehe

Bros finished

[glad crypt]

so many complaints about no dottore in nod krai yet lmfao

[lost quail]

He will come

[glad crypt]

@odd thicket nod krai aq will not end in Luna IV imo

also I don't think they're gonna kill off Rerir

[queen prawn]

I dont think so,Bina reputation system are set to end/completed in 6.3(If I am correct act 3 of her rep will start in 6.2 and finished before 6.3 update),there will be no more content about her story aside from random event every time you visit her

So NodKrai will end in luna 4

[robust tiger]

[glad crypt]

nah

[queen prawn]

And pack his stuff to Sumeru when he realise he is dealing with a sinner

[glad crypt]

wtf is this

[lost quail]

I think Arlecchino is coming for him actually

[queen prawn]

NodKrai expansion similar to Inazuma with Enka,Chasm for Liuye and Remuria for Fontaine

[lost quail]

Speculation, you don’t have to take it as fact

[queen prawn]

Yeah,it isn't exactly the "final region" just sub region

[glad crypt]

It's stupid

[lost quail]

K

[agile atlas]

[glad crypt]

more nonsense

[lost quail]

I….

Oh..

[odd thicket]

Why does she have such prejudice ?

[odd thicket]

Too early to judge

[glad crypt]

nod krai will have more acts

[odd thicket]

Side quest where arlecchino tries to find prime dottore among his clones and journeys around teyvat

[lost quail]

I’d pay to see that

[lost quail]

He. Itzcoatl is a man

Apichu is the who being insulted

He’s doing it to mock her while she’s down. But he does believe only what her father teaches him

His*

[odd thicket]

Why is he cruel needlessly

[lost quail]

HE DIDNT STAND A CHANCE

[lost quail]

I told you why

[odd thicket]

But even then, no hesitation?

Anyway

[odd thicket]

Deserved beatdown

[lost quail]

Hes a pretty cocky guy, hes also pretty hot heated.

[lost quail]

Yeah she almost killed him

But the tournament has a no fatal blow or kill rule

Because….of many reasons

[odd thicket]

Does he have fontainian ancestry by chance ?

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/mavuika-mavuika-genshin-mavuika-genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-gif-9147705330639181679

[lost quail]

No he just sucks man

[lost quail]

YES. Lmao

Theyd be screwed

[odd thicket]

fontainian in spirit hu

[odd thicket]

a bit unrelated but i appreciate them giving some depth to mav's character by having her stop tribe infighting

only other archon to do that was xbalanque

[lost quail]

Thank you uwu

Especially teenagers damn near killing each other for stuoid shit

[lost quail]

Chasca wasnt happy about it either

This is a really fun story I’m writing

[odd thicket]

shes helping her instead of blasting

[lost quail]

The teens are gonna make Mavuika upset later

See they think Mavuika was serious cuz they take her friendliness for granted

Shiiiiit they’re in for an awakening though.

[odd thicket]

sign of a good parent

[lost quail]

I KNOW!! Hehehe

I told you Chasca would be a good parent

She’s a peacemaker too

[odd thicket]

i see what you did there

[lost quail]

Yesss

She’s using her peacemaking skills and her experience on her kid uwu

[odd thicket]

also
i forgor to ask
does she have a vision ?

[lost quail]

Apichu is an honor fighter

Someone talks shit about someone she cares about, she’s gonna fight.

Bro talked shit about her mom and messed with kachina.

Girl didn’t let that slide.

[lost quail]

She’ll get one later in the story

Just gotta figure out the right time snd the right element

[lost quail]

Lmfao

[odd thicket]

how does she handle ajaw ?

or has ajaw passed by now ?

he is phlogiston life form after all and has an expiry date

[lost quail]

Hes an immortal being tho? Anyway I don’t think hed die in 10 years

[odd thicket]

no joke he works on every character's body and better than them

[odd thicket]

he isnt

[lost quail]

But she doesn’t like him at all

Like everyone

[odd thicket]

he had die once phlogiston runs out

it happened to his elder

kukulkan

[lost quail]

Ooh I see

[odd thicket]

its also why he wanted to turn natlan and teyvat into a sea of phlogiston

or a star

[lost quail]

She even tried to attack him

But Kinich had to stop her

[odd thicket]

they all continue to live

[odd thicket]

god forbid she goes to gurabad and encounters liloupar

[lost quail]

Lmfao

BRB I gotta drive

[lost quail]

Back!!

She’d probably go ape shit

[lilac coral]

what the fuck did he say 😭

[spark portal]

Idk, ask a russian lol

Also, heads towards #・tc-lounge if you wanna watch the vid again, I don't want to get banned from this channel lol

[lost quail]

I’m writing Mavuika with a sick day

I feel like calling Arle a groomer and leaving it there does as much disservice to her character

As calling dori a grifter

Citlali a tsundere

And Ei a brutal dictator

[spark portal]

Huh???? Who's calling her a groomer?

[shell heart]

No??

Ajaw is part of the 13 sovereign lords

Aka AI

Iirc

The same as the one that ineffa has the core of

In tevyat pretty much everything has en expiry date but natlan being a sea of phlogiston or anything doesn’t affect him

[odd thicket]

Well it does

Kukulkan expired right after little one refused to explode teyvat

[shell heart]

Kukulkan wasn’t AI

[odd thicket]

He was

[shell heart]

Unlike ajaw

No

[odd thicket]

Both are AI

He was created by Xiuhcoatl or rather, born from the primal flame

Phlogiston is a form of computronium and he used it to modify his composition at will

Changing between his dragon form, bona, and the other humans

[shell heart]

👀

Yes

But he doesn’t have a mechanical core

Or rather doesn’t require one to live

[odd thicket]

He was sealed away in an ancient relic

That kinich wears

Ajaw was dragonlord number 10 iirc

[shell heart]

Kukulkan or ajaw?

[odd thicket]

Ajaw

[shell heart]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Kukulkan was never sealed or beaten

Except being disappointed in his experiments repeatedly

[worldly rain]

Kukulkan was full fledged dragon just like his brother
He ain't remotely similar to dragons lords

[lost quail]

Saw a tweet of someone saying that

[agile atlas]

Chronically online people w no idea on lore tend to say that

I wouldnt bother too much w those type of people

[worldly rain]

Kukulkan wasn't ai
Ajaw on there other hand is...
And ajaw isn't made up of Phlogiston either he's a mechanical being with a logic core...
kukulkan on the other hand did leave his flesh and transformed himself into Phlogiston base lifeform in his later life..
I think you're getting mixed up between two things here

Well maybe ajaw now isn't mechanical being since he's sealed inside wristband but he still is ai though like ineffa kinda

[odd thicket]

Kukulkan does host his conscious in phlogiston like Ajaw then ?

Ajaw is also “phlogiston” made and contained with a core, but after being sealed he can manifest himself outside it

[worldly rain]

Kukulkan case is different than ajaw
Kukulkan did use Phlogiston to store himself
Ajaw on the other hand is still ai sealed inside the wristband
He does use Phlogiston to create his hologram though which we see btw but his real self is still inside the band

[odd thicket]

Yes

And he had lost his memories over time

Phlogiston will eventually exhaust and ajaw will fade

[worldly rain]

Although the difference is that while he uses Phlogiston to cast his hologram he himself is not made up of it

[worldly rain]

No

His hologram yes but his own self no

[odd thicket]

He should be , they used phlogiston to program his core as well

[odd thicket]

His own self has suffered degradation over time

[worldly rain]

No Phlogiston is not used to make drgaon lords they're mechanical being with logic cores

[odd thicket]

He couldnt remember much of the past or the Eleventh

[worldly rain]

They may lose their mechanical form like ineffa does but logical core remains

[odd thicket]

But to dragons making logic cores, phlogiston is also computronium, no ?

[worldly rain]

Logic core are different from Phlogiston

Phlogiston is atom which store data so it can store data about the world and make replica there
Like how kukulkan did with himself

But not everything is made up of that

[odd thicket]

They had to have made the former using the latter is what i meant to say

[worldly rain]

No they're kinda different things

It's like similar to how we have light which is used to transfer data but doesn't mean the computers are made up of light kinda

[odd thicket]

This is a core component that separated from the body of a Secret Source Automaton: Configuration Device that lost its ability to move after being defeated.
Some say that the cores that power all the Secret Source Automatons are actually the same kind of device, and that they simply carry different information, as attested to by the fact that the golden patterns on them are different. At first, the many commands were only added to the circuits to aid in its smooth running, but it seems that all the superimposition and layering of orders onto one another has wound up creating a rudimentary artificial intelligence.

Like here

[worldly rain]

It's a form of energy used to transfer or store basically which then can be used to make beings made up of data
However the beings themselves are not Phlogiston

[odd thicket]

They use phlogiston engravings to create the AI

[odd thicket]

In that perspective, i stand by your point

[worldly rain]

Like kukulkan before and after transfering his data onto Phlogiston are two seperate beings even if they share same memories and consciousness

[odd thicket]

Yes and there was continuity

Men of lithin

[worldly rain]

Men of lithin? I didn't read that what's that?

[worldly rain]

Is there any lore that can connect the two?
As far as I understand Phlogiston engraving is different from mechanical logic cores

[odd thicket]

It was a book released in 5.4

Popular in fontaine, from an unknown natlanian author (who is obviously kukulkan)

The story is of humans discovering they are real and the society around them filled with what they thought as humans revealed to be immortal machines that were once human but immortal thanks to a fluid called lithin

[odd thicket]

A core pulled from the blazing remains of the Lava Dragon Statue.
It is said that the entity known as the Lava Dragon Statue is a special existence born from the limitless accumulation of Phlogiston. Originally, it was believed that pure energy would produce a being with human-like intelligence. However, this attempt ultimately failed. Unlike in ancient times, it seems that pure energy can no longer naturally give rise to complex, intelligent, and controllable organisms capable of growth.

My guess is

Phlogiston engravings can be used to mimic circuits

[worldly rain]

Ah then that sounds like he's describing himself and the other dragons who transfered themselves into Phlogiston based lifeforms

[odd thicket]

And a trillion or so such circuits make the AI

[odd thicket]

It also mentions natlantea iirc

Also alludes to teyvat being a dreamscape

[worldly rain]

Phlogiston is indeed used to store and then replicate the data and this data can be anything basically
However the original beings still are different is my point

The dragon Lord too are different from Phlogiston since they use logical cores which shouldn't be a requirements if they were Phlogiston based

[worldly rain]

Wait is this the ineffa boss?

[odd thicket]

They arent totally phlogiston based, they are simulated via trillions of circuits that were created from phlogiston

[odd thicket]

Lava statue

The lava avatars are all failed AI

[worldly rain]

Wait let me see ineffa boss mat too

[odd thicket]

Whats her boss ?

Overseer ?

It is regardikg the fourth moon

Or the space elevator

It is ague

Vague

[worldly rain]

The source automaton are indeed made up of Phlogiston
But then the dragon lords use entirely different terminology...
I guess they're not pure Phlogiston form as kukulkan was or the source automaton are...
And just like lava dragon statue which is a failed experiment
dragon lords of old would be the success then

[odd thicket]

Dragonlords predated Phanes

The lava dragon was meant to be a budding dragon lord but after nail dropped or Naberius’ rules it couldnt develop

[worldly rain]

"In ancient times, to oversee the operation of their mega-cities, a mighty race vested part of their power into a form of phlogiston-engineered intelligence. Driven by their mission, and by means of various other mechanisms, the machines upon which it was bestowed once controlled the functioning of myriad cities across the land. "

[odd thicket]

Where is this from ?

[worldly rain]

This is ineffa boss description

Secret source mechanism are indeed Phlogiston based forms
But I can't find anything saying dragon Lord were the same...
Especially when they have logic cores that make them individual beings and not replica which is what Phlogiston does...

[odd thicket]

Oh skirk boss

[odd thicket]

Well dragonlords did co rule cities

The sixth ruled the old city beneath och kan natlan

[worldly rain]

Yes because they were successor of pyro sovereign but that doesn't matter

[odd thicket]

Ineffa’s conscious being locked away in the same core as other ancient source tech

Same as her other half

In the overdrive body
Is enough clue imo

[worldly rain]

Hmm...
there aren't any other source other than Phlogiston in natlan either
Something different is there about kukulkan and several dragons transforming into Phlogiston based lifeform and using Phlogiston engraving to create stuff

Like there's definitely a difference here otherwise kukulkan should've mention these source automaton as Phlogiston lifeform too when he was talking about himself during explanation of Phlogiston to little one

[odd thicket]

they can "reverse engineer" this

rather than remake a whole being into circuilts

they vice versa that

[worldly rain]

Like using Phlogiston is very different than actually being one

And that's the difference here I think

[odd thicket]

they werent intelligent as old forms as him

[odd thicket]

pure light beings can do that tho

[worldly rain]

The dragons did use Phlogiston to create stuffs but those weren't Phlogiston itself like kukulkan became later or the other dragons who left their flesh

Or maybe there isn't a difference

[odd thicket]

but all of them are light realm creatures and phlogiston is one way light energy can manifest

[odd thicket]

xiuhcoatl could turn back and forth into pure phlogiston and dragon

[worldly rain]

Phlogiston is just atom used to store data it doesn't mean everything is created out of it

[worldly rain]

No he wasn't made of Phlogiston
Although he did use Phlogiston to create those source automaton but that's different thing now

Phlogiston is different from primal flame

[odd thicket]

yeah you are right there

[odd thicket]

as a form of light realm energy it can be

[worldly rain]

It can be used to store everything and then I guess you can create things
However for that to happen first you need data to store and that data doesn't exist without other beings already in existence

Even the dragons used themselves as source to create the secret source automaton using Phlogiston
It didn't exist without them

[odd thicket]

yeah

my guess is he intended for these ai to be servants to him and his 3 siblings

[worldly rain]

I think dragon lords logic cores were same then they were created using Phlogiston engraving however they themselves were not Phlogiston beings
That's mostly the difference here

[odd thicket]

they may not be literal phlogiston beings but definitely depend upon on them to continue their existence

iirc ineffa core was revived by kuuvahki ?

[worldly rain]

Actually to think about it now it makes sense kukulkan who became Phlogiston based lifeform could transform himself into anyone as long as the data existed
Unlike dragons lords who couldn't and they died too on top of that

[odd thicket]

i agree

[worldly rain]

Yeah they used Phlogiston engraving as you said to make the cores

And since dragons were well using better data they create perfect cores unlike lava dragon that failed cause probably it got bad data

[odd thicket]

he also depended upon phlogiston and was born from the primal flame , as such kept free from confines of the core

[odd thicket]

it has to do with the nail imo

[worldly rain]

Nail probably stopped the progress I guess

[odd thicket]

so to tldr the cores are inanimate objects hosting the circuits that have the ai function, and as such they are confined to it

[worldly rain]

Actually the engraving are just language... Like how we use programming language right? Something similar

[odd thicket]

ajaw can project a sliver of his strength out and fully when kinich allows him to

[odd thicket]

you can also see phlogiston engravings as really intricately developed soldering as a language

Unleashes the power of the Almighty Dragonlord, K'uhul Ajaw (on a limited, conditional, restricted, contractual, partial, temporary basis), dealing Nightsoul-aligned AoE Dendro DMG. Ajaw will unleash his Dragon Breath at intervals, dealing Nightsoul-aligned AoE Dendro DMG.
If Kinich is in Nightsoul's Blessing when this is used, this Blessing's duration is extended by 1.7s.

[worldly rain]

So Phlogiston engraving is basically used to engrave the data stored in Phlogiston onto real world objects or something

Real world objects like logic cores

[odd thicket]

circuits* but yeah

[worldly rain]

That too

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/circuit-soldering-circuit-soldering-motherboard-gif-9862997289797221933

https://tenor.com/view/walking-chip-gif-2681155215803089533

[worldly rain]

And now it make sense why dragon lords could die and just not transform cuase they're limited by real world objects and not made of Phlogiston itself like kukulkan made himself later

[odd thicket]

data itself manifesting vs same material mimicking data within other compenents

[worldly rain]

Ye

Actually speaking of this didn't deshret also made himself into some energy or something related to sumeru? What was it called again? I remember he seperated his consciousness and body...

[odd thicket]

the golden slumber

[worldly rain]

Like he transcended or something...

Yeah so what exactly was it?

[odd thicket]

and if you are thinking of remus, it was ichor

[worldly rain]

Ye so it's the same everywhere then

Leaving the body and going into energy form of their respective nation

[odd thicket]

i havent read the mateiral for the statues but my guess is remus took the soul of the humans and put them in the statues

[worldly rain]

Becoming energy itself

[odd thicket]

sound is also a valid form

hence venti, istaroth, remus

[worldly rain]

He did I think they were rebels? Maybe I'm forgetting...

Actually there was another guy

He did those things I think not remus

[odd thicket]

Remus was the one who planned the body transfer thing

[worldly rain]

Don't remember his name though

[odd thicket]

tbh it doesnt matter

the golden symphony or whatever it is called was a song

that worked as a collective hivemind

[worldly rain]

Yeah and there was another guy who conspired behind him or something although I don't remember much details

[odd thicket]

or rather

the collective will

its name was phobos

[worldly rain]

Yeah similar concept everywhere

[odd thicket]

that guy was fully permeated and became a puppet for phobos

[worldly rain]

Even in nod krai with the whole prohecy with a being that would merge with the whole world

What's with everyone in ancient teyvat wanting to become some form of energy

[odd thicket]

khaenrian atlas

[worldly rain]

Imagine the oppression of PO being so much that these people would rather tranform the whole universe into pure energy

[odd thicket]

inazuman, sumeru traveller using collective will of an entire nation

fontaine with the justice juice

natlan with the ancient names

[odd thicket]

they cant handle rejection afterall

[worldly rain]

They'll have their reckoning one day...

[odd thicket]

Hroaptatyr will show em

[odd thicket]

Do you think pohjola could be the destination of Rotvangi ?

[lost quail]

Is it because of the raising child soldiers thing? Cuz she doesn’t even want to or enjoy doing that. She legit has no choice. She dead ass lets them go if they don’t wanna stay, and can be pretty lax despite being strict

[agile atlas]

I'm pretty sure it's in that context and the fact that they come into the orphanage so young, so she kind of (in their words) "grooms" them to become part of the Fatui or do missions for them. Most likely on the brainwashing side of the word rather than the actual meaning of the word, so like influencing them since young. An example of 'brainwash' that they could be referring to might be Lyney and Lynette trying to know about the Oratrice for the Fatui, so they do it because they are emotionally atteched to their father (Arle)

[lost quail]

Or like the exploitation

Yet I still feel like it kinda ignores the elephant in the room that she lets the kids leave, and even ask if the trio wishes to leave too.

I don’t think their emotional attachment is a result of brainwashing though. They’re all basically a family with a fucked up mob job

Please note I’m not justifying the act of turning kids into child spies thing

[lost quail]

In fact she cares very deeply for them. And I’m pretty sure She’s wanting to free the hearth from the Fatui one day, or at least she’s planning to repress harm to them. I’m pretty sure there’s clues to suggest the former
Like her going to Neuvillette. But lmk if I’m missing more.

She cares about them enough to let them go free

[agile atlas]

I mean compared to Crucabena she's doing a far better job. I can't remember if Arle does the same as her predecessor and give the children to be experimented on by the Fatui (Dottore). While it is true she cares about them and lets them leave, she's in a difficult position but she's aware that if she asks these kids with emotional attachement to do stuff for them, they will until they on their own realise that all along they had the free will to walk away.

[lost quail]

She doesn’t give the kids to Dottore and actually hates him for that

[lost quail]

Yeah but if she was truly out to use their emotional attachment
She wouldn’t let them go

I know she’s aware of that

But she doesn’t abuse that fact at all outside of what they’re supposed to be doing.

[lost quail]

Was I not correct?

[agile atlas]

Yep, you are!

[lost quail]

Correct ?

[agile atlas]

Yes, you are correct

[lost quail]

Oh

[robust tiger]

[agile atlas]

[robust tiger]

[agile atlas]

[robust tiger]

lol pee rank

[agile atlas]

BYE I BECAME A PISSLET

[worldly rain]

Depends on what pohhola is... We know he got access to abyss so if that's pohjola then yes otherwise no

[lilac coral]

Welcome, pisslet

[agile atlas]

[lilac coral]

How's it feel

you are the suko who used to be staff, right

or are you a different suko

[odd thicket]

This reminded me
We also lack proper Demiurge lore

Its supposed to be a monstrous entity

Repulsive

What if the third was killed for uncovering the PO’s deepest secret ?

Like,
Other transgressions didnt get severe punishments

[worldly rain]

Demiurge? What's that? Is this in game or something?

[odd thicket]

the demiurge is the false god in gnosticism

phanes is often made out as the demiurge

in some sources

phanes too has many origins

one as a child of cronos, other of nyx

other with gaia

[worldly rain]

Hmm wouldn't "false" god that be just in contrast to "real" god being nibelung before he got abyss corruption?
As in nibelung is the original creator god of teyvat than false god PO came later and usurped the throne type of thing...

And because hardly anyone knows about the dragon civilization so for them PO or celestia is the only God or something

[lilac coral]

Wasn't the demiurge in genshin the bird we never got to see in sumeru

Or am I thinking of something else

It was that god-like bird creature that the little fairy creatures from the desert heralded as their Lord

[odd thicket]

yes

PO is the false god in genshin

https://youtu.be/jv2rdBD2DIk?si=kwavlPKCdh6K3KpJ

yeah i understand the genshin lore a bit better now

[worldly rain]

When we get artifacts from domain... It's the golden tree that produces it
And artifacts have lore aka world information on them
Kinda weird I'm only seeing it now

[topaz anvil]

whens the next drip

[worldly rain]

2 weeks

[odd thicket]

The dropped nefer drip 2 days after 6.0

[odd thicket]

wrong clipboard

here right one

[worldly rain]

Something about asmoday switching sides sounda like red herring...
The way shades talked in trailer makes it seem like they don't know her whereabouts so how would they know whether she switched sides or even the identity of her new master? It all sounded like speculation on part of ronova at best...
Then the fact that istaroth keeps deleting asmoday's record from everywhere is another hint that she didn't really betray...but is secretly working with her... After all space and time are always mentioned together in genshin

[odd thicket]

rhine confirms she switched sides tho

two sources

istaroth and rhine are imposters of celestia

[worldly rain]

I don't think there was any confirmation it was speculation on their parts

[odd thicket]

none of them are loyal to ronova but only ronova is in the dark

[worldly rain]

Like they don't even know where she is how would they know what she's doing?

[odd thicket]

she says it is better than being eaten

[odd thicket]

well, asmoday is one pillar of teyvat

if something is out of line the other 3 will know

[worldly rain]

Yes it's better to betray than being devoured according to rhine but that's assuming she actually did betray which they don't know

[odd thicket]

its like an admin account going missing / no longer listed under your org but has the permissions

they didnt mention betrayal, just abandonment or desertion

[worldly rain]

In any case it's still speculation on their part they don't actually know what she's doing
And the only hint we get from game is istaroth erasing her record so clearly she's doing something

[odd thicket]

another assumption is

we dont know what the shades know of enemies or other authorities apart from celestia

and that "master" is that person

my money is voyager

[worldly rain]

I didn't take that master line as if they know who the master is but that since they've always followed one master aka PO so in case someone leaves they have to follow new one...
It's all stemming from the fact that shades, especially ronova cause she's the one making assumptions here, can't think outside of the box like working independently

Despite the fact that istaroth or even rhine works for their own goal as shown so far... Only ronova keeps following the rules

[odd thicket]

ronova did break rules tho

for aila, xbalanque

[worldly rain]

Thats where the red herring comes imo
If any other shade had made such speculation I might believe but it's ronova

[odd thicket]

it can be like koitar

she left one master , willingly followed another / married them

[worldly rain]

Not in the way istaroth does though

And rhine is well already not part of their circle just stuck cause niberius...

[odd thicket]

she is forced to work part time coz obligations

[odd thicket]

istaroth has more leeway as she is the most uncommon among the bunch

she wrote teyvat's story too

[worldly rain]

When the space where that old woman was telling the story about shades got destroyed
Rhine made an observation that the entire space is tainted by the ruler of space

Like the space for destroyed by her just before that old woman was about to spill her authority

This is another of the secret aka real authority of asmoday...