・lore-basement

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It didnt show the second image for me

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Oh do you not have an account on twitter

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I deleted it half a year ago

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Gotcha

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It was addictive

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But yeah, it was changed retroactively once sumeru released

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Surprise is we got Dendro gem before sumeru ?

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And the only one to have (thus far, but I can't imagine them changing the cryo one)

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Tsaritsa’s story was written on stone

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I mean, I think it was always planned to be in-game, they probably just didn't fully know how until later would be my guess

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The changelings from the boar princess or the seven pigmies are fae

They got the third descender killed

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Ye
I saw some old videos of burning

I began in 2.8 second half so a lot of old genshin is very odd/ weird to me

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I started in the first week so it was just kind of life lol

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Oo,with Flins you can interact with the lantern and send the lightkeeper to the leyline

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wait no more leaks section?

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#・genshin-reposting #・genshin-spoilers

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PLEASE

WE NEED

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Hinting future event / return to Enka

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Enka relevant again

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definitely nicole

freakbina is canon

rerir motive

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Is rhe scene with asmoday t the start of the game showing us the end of our journey

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No

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Im confused about the spaceship in relation to the lore 😭 im tryna wrap my head around it

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Spaceship happens before asmoday

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So how did we get to asmoday

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Opening cutscene

Twins tried to escape after traveller is out of spaceship but were stopped

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Basically they came with spaceship. While Traveller is sleeping inside after they crashed, seems like the abyss twin is summoned to Khaenriah, all their memory prior erased, and live as the prince/princess. Then when cataclysm came, they recovered their memory but have to make a difficult decision to leave to find the Traveller or stay to save Khaenriah. They chose to left for the Traveller, then the opening cutscene happen

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Ohhh

Thanks sm

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@patent cloud @worldly rain swirling chaos of time ?

where do rhinedottir, vedrolfnir and crimson mmoon find themselves at ?

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Has anyone considered what connections hyperborea may have to the abyss order?

Between every region celestia has destroyed, especially with the nails, there's always some connection to Khaenri'ah or the Abyss

every region destroyed without a nail is connected too

the only exception really being the ancient dragon city

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Nope

Natlan didnt yet and they got nailed
Sorry didnt read the last message

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Hyperborea

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Zero

Unless we get a hard confirmation that khaenrians were descendants of human rebels

Hyperborea was nuked for losing their rebellion vs Celestia

They admonished rules, angels and humans alike

Creating new life called Fae

[quick locust]

Did you read my first message

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Mb G

Thus far no info on Abyss order being interested in the voyager or their treasures from hyperborea

[quick locust]

the vast majority of dead regions have heavy connections to khaenri'ah despite some of them not mentioning khaenri'ah or the abyss order

for example Enkanomiya

and Vindagnyr

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Actually i had a brain blip and forgot;

Tsurimi island

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Vindagnyr obviously has the remains of a sinner's creation but thats not what im referring to

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Vindagnyr too most likely didnt mess with the abyss

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Yeah

Thats why I'm confused

because they share a LOT of themes and architecture

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There was a rebellion before Abyss arrived

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also most of these regions have the same symbolism

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First Civilisation

Was a unified, mono cultural one

[quick locust]

Deshret's civilisation is still the one that bothers me most

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It comes after the war of vengeance

There is still a lot of similarity between his civilisation and the first civilisation

The stone is just yellowed out

You can notice the similarities where you fight the Inquisitous Baptist

[quick locust]

??

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But what bothers you exactly?

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I'm referring to what the people actually practiced and their architecture

All dead regions in the game have a consistent theme of a golden goblet

every single one

all of them feature this shape somewhere too

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Can you be specific ?
Are these goblets separate from their signature artefact set goblet ?

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This is on domain murals too

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yup

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yes
umm I had an image of one somewhere idk where it is hold on

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This is clearly a derivative of the first civilisation influences

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This particular rhombus is at the very bottom of domain murals

Holup ill find a good image

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there are statues holding goblets with a orange triangle on the front

i dont have the image anymore

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https://preview.redd.it/domain-mural-as-journey-of-life-and-death-v0-5sghidcvoauc1.jpg?width=391&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cddb416eaee120e13940814907a9d972e9edd43

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i think i found it in the chasm at first?

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You can see ronova’s eyes here

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Or enka

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then I found a copy of it in enkanomiya

the first was the chasm though

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I need to re explore enka and chasm omg

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the architecture is so strange in dead regions

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Saw one reddit post about it but it's very all over the place

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Do you recall the room where that statue is ?

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Only certainty now are ronova’s eyes imo

Even istaroth now am not so sure

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I'm not sure but I think there was one near the place you find the hilichurls laying on the floor in the chasm?

where you see your twin

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I found one online

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YES

those

theyre in every dead region

every single one

some have multiple

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I havent paid it attention before

Ill do so now

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i only noticed it because I was modelling a coffee cup that same day

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Have you seen this in nod krai ?

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then i came across it and noticed the shape because id been staring at a gray cup ALL day

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not yet

my nod krai is only like 20% explored so far though

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Is every statue like this ? Head blown off ?

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no

some are undamaged

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Wait where ??

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I think there was an undamaged one in Sal Vindagnyr? I don't remember where it was

I found these like a year ago

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Ill search for it

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I havent seen these ones in other regions though

which is odd

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the second is orabashi

enkanommiyans built it

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The first is likely

Istaroth

Celadon Mare or

The first lantern ae

ffae

fae

the dresses are similar

sorry,, the patternns onn the dress are similar

we have seen it somewhere before

https://tenor.com/view/nicole-genshin-impact-nicole-genshin-nicole-reeyn-genshin-impact-genshin-gif-6301703772775261432

welp i couldnt find the statue on dragonspine

anyway this is the dragonspine vault

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Have you seen this in ??? in fontaine ?

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rhine tore his body apart
vedrfolnir chucked it into a time vortex

crimson moon? i have no idea

all i know is that rerir was hella madge about rhinedottir and vedrfolnir

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https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-ryomen-mahoraga-eight-handled-sword-divergent-sila-divine-general-mahoraga-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-4306661204985469071

Rhine and Vedrfolnir to Rerir

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Fellas

I just realized

We haven’t had a single new Collected Miscellany since Skirk/Dahlia…

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Here's a crack theory...
Perinheri is Rerir
Angelica is tholindis
And the whole perinheri is backstory of Rerir before he became sinner

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We have marketing videos showing character interactions instead

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Barnstokkr being his weapon takes a whole different meaning now

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"As for you, Perinheri...
...You may not have the nobility to shoulder a world, but you too have your own destiny."

"I am freedom, that which has broken free of fate. This is what Hleobrant sought in agony, but that which is now yours for the taking."

Note that the ancient people of Liyue did not use such names. Now that I consider it, her name may have been "Lady Miaoyin" (Lady of Wondrous Sound) or "Tianwang Nu" (Servant of Tianwang).

Tianwang is tranlated as "heavenly king" in cn

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Shes an Angel

But but
Rerir had to have been in khaenriah and met the other five

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Every region has one angel involved maybe tholindis is for Khnaerria

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Tru

We will know this friday

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Oh is the stream this week?

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Yes

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Cool

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So tholindis bingo:

angel
sister
girlfriend
friend
moon sister
Boyfriend
Daughter
Adopted Daughter
Mother

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Alchemy and the Beastmaster Knights were a mainstay during the Crimson Moon Dynasty, but interest in mechanical engineering during the Eclipse Dynasty would cause it to fall behind.

Another aspect of crimson moon dynasty that is inherited by yet another sinner

I have a feeling that all the sinners had something to do with crimson dynasty or at least it's knowledge and didn't get along with the eclipse dynasty more mechanical approach...

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Idts
Mechanics can only take you so far in genshin witbout alchemy

And theres a whole sinner we are yet to read, encounter or learn of

He could have been into mechanics

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They did built the ruin machine only after eclipse dynasty came into picture though and that had nothing to do with alchemy

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Azozite

Also
Khaenriah did use alchemy of some sort for machinery

Perpetual machines during the eclipse dynasty

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Oh they didn't stop but it fell out of favour
And then gold focusing on that aspect specifically which is legacy of crimson dynasty is what I'm pointing out basically

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Ah
Yes true

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In pale princess datamined lore there's moonlight forest and then there's night kingdom where night mother rules
you think this night kingdom might be the pohjola? Also wasn't there some finnish myth about pohjola ruled by one sorceress Louhi...so is this the reference for night mother then...
As for moonlight forest maybe that's what Forest of lake amrvartnir was before it got destroyed by night mother...
And the pygmies could be the changeling...

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Night King being pohjola wouldnt make sense

Imo

BUUUT

What hadnt been explored yet is

Night Kingdom’s divine brewary

Youhuatecoultin makes divine booze

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Pygmies are defo changeling

Elf/ pygmy

https://tenor.com/view/luscientia-pulcinella-says-good-morning-luscientia-pulcinella-genshin-the-rooster-pulcinella-gif-2883592246800780390

Which reminds me

The quest where traveller smokes a joint

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Night kingdom of natlan is not the same one as in pale princess I think you got it wrong there

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Yeah sorry

My reading getting worse after study…

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Ok it's not night kingdom either
It's actually land of the nights

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Whom would be louhi here ?

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I read it wrong too

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Pohjola was at the very edge/ top of the world

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Night mother from pale princess book

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Where the sky and land meet iirc

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No in real genshin lore not in the allegory

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Although I don't know the identity yet

Maybe this is tholindis?

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Possible

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"In the distant past, the Night Mother ruled over the faraway Land of Night. "

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And night was when the stars were visible and the moons ruled the skies

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"In thousands of years time, my greatest foe will descend. He wields a sword that heralds the dawn and wears armor that can reflect the shining sunlight. He shall destroy my kingdom and bring the Prince back to life. "

This is what night mother says towards the end
Could this saviour be Rerir? Is that why he cursed tholindis name? Another crack theory?

What weapon did Rerir used again? Not the sword right? Maybe then he's not the savior...

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He is a claw user

Both in the cutscene

And then in the trailer as per nicole’s description

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First thought to strike is Traveller resurrecting Ajax

A descender has a second criteria people dont talk of

They must have a sword

Or anything resembling one

The game places sword and claymore users in lore heads and shoulders above for that reason

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I doubt it's traveler simply because "he" was used...
As far as I know anytime traveler is mentioned in lore it's always "he/she" used to denote them because gender is based on user choice...

However since it's datamined lore and hasn't released yet it can get changed in the future in which case let's wait and see

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They did decide on aether to be the “canon” mc early on and even these days

This datamined bit could have been released any time but they didnt

Perhaps anticipating some rewrite

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But you were right on the land of night being Pohjola

Pakkaisukko was a twisted inhabitant of the Moonlit forest who opened the gates to the night land

The night mother could be actually be Primordial One

The moonlit forest is definitely nod krai too

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Only problem here is that she is associated with abyss unlike PO who is opposite

"The Night Mother then collapsed and became a pile of sludge consisting of mud and worms."

Also remember ineffa dialogue where she talked about mystery woman who was at the center of wild hunt emmergance? Could be this night mother which I'm leaning towards to be tholindis too...

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Isnt this unreleased ?

I dont wanna deal with unreleased content for this ngl

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Yeah which means it could change

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If it is content within a year maybe
Two years is a bit questionable

This is 5 years old
And 3 when they began developing nod krai

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Fair enough
It could just be not related to nod krai but sheznaya which mean it's not even relevant for now

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Nah this is defo nod krai content

The forest is for sure nod krai

Orrrr hyperborea

One of two depending in the timeline

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Moonlight forest also reminded me how forest of lake amrvartnir has a hidden Royal court of seelie which could be the pale princess domain that was destroyed

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In the distant past, the Night Mother ruled over the faraway Land of Night. Here, no light touched the earth, nor did a single tree grow, and there was no life here but the horrendous denizens of the dark.

I take it back its definitely rhe abyss

Treeless = abyss
PO order depends on trees

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Actually speaking of night mother volume 1 has released already so clearly she's a woman

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Yes

But gender as hoyo said doesnt mean much

PO is both male and female

So is supposedly traveller if that Fool arcana is to be believed

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A kingdom of the past, it lies forgotten by both time and space, hidden in shadow where no heavenly light can touch it.

Sounds like the moonlight kingdom that got destroyed by night mother

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Night Mother also has no heart or mouth

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Guess we'll have to wait for nod krai expansion hopefully 6.2 has it

I need forest of lake amrvatnir
Everything is going there only plot wise

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So the seelie court is sullied by abyss

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Varka was literally at the lake at the start of the AQ to investigate a wild hunt resurgence

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Yeah it's definitely the zone zero for all the nod krai major plot

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So far unsupported but The waters of lake armsvartnir should be special

In the trailer columbina says the waters of nod krai, the future mirrors the past

The lake could be special on a so far unestablished relation to the angels whom similarly are unproven thus far to have built the Veil

Perhaps by studying / sullying the waters, Wild Hunt seeks to perceive fate ?

Not to mention the Apoasha the demon of drought being related to the Mad Monk…

Surprised we didnt get any lore on apoasha as a tidbit even

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But that woman appeared pretty recently at 500 years ago no ?

While night mother dates back to before that

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https://youtu.be/blEU7QmSd5A?si=2_GYhiOMC9c1Uq62

Bro predicted Wild Hunt BEFORE NATLAN

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I think tsaritsa would be a sword or claymore user

A line from gosoytoth is inviting traveller to join them in an eternal night

hmmmmmmmmm

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could this be istaroth's symbol ?

from the lone temple off the coast of mondstadt

hmmm

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/85JzNAreT9

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/HzhbsCJwPv

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wait wtf

that would make nicole omega ultra strong then

[lost quail]

I had a dream arlebina was canon. Literally is was such a cute dream

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uh

Venti so sus rn

[lost quail]

I’m crying GOTTA WAIT TILL THE 22 TO SEE ARLE?

NAUR

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I honestly kinda doubt Arle is going to be super important in Nod-Krai. Maybe she'll appear in a flashback or something

[lost quail]

Don’t you dare

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Long time no see

And no

Crimson Moon is defo getting a spotlight

Natlan was full of human and life sacrifices to it

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https://tenor.com/view/istaroth-genshin-genshin-impact-venti-shining-shade-gif-7460533533350546970

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This theory is wrong
Coz
Nicole is An Angel
But
This can be used for Arlecchino

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yep

[thick oyster]

yeah the crimson moon will be
Arle won't

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Arlecchino = Crimson Moon here

[thick oyster]

She's just a descendant of it

The CM is its own separate entity as well

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She has its powers literally flow through her

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Shes the closest relative to CM now

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So does Rerir (maybe)

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CM killed rerir

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He's still alive though

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We don't know which moon shattered him

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It defeated him the first time

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Nope we know

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That could be the Frostmoon

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How

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Frostmoon never was in Khaenriah

Only the crimson

[thick oyster]

Hence why she'll appear in a flashback

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Rerir left Khaenri'ah that's the whole point of the sinners
He got shattered in Nod-Krai

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https://tenor.com/view/rudy-rudilous-arlecchino-genshin-impact-fatui-harbinger-burst-gif-6220323469011802608

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No , her and Dain have a lot to do with rerir and will appear

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He didnt leave

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That's why The Wild Hunt is there
It was born from his remains

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Then why was his heart in Nod-Krai

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It ended up in nod krai

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Could have been actions of the mad monk

[thick oyster]

Doubt it, Varka and Columbina are the stars of the show

[thick oyster]

Because he died there

The Sinners left Khaenri'ah that's why they're sinners

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No, its her , the witches , varka , arle and dain

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They didn't know each other

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He died in khaenriah

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Arle and Dain aren't going to be important

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Where is that stated

He was only shattered after the Cataclysm even happened

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They are sinners for refusing to defend khaenriah, hence deserting is applicable

[thick oyster]

He got shattered after the Cataclysm happened
It happened in Nod-Krai
That's why he's hunting the moon in Nod-Krai

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In the image i sent u
The crimson moon is exclusively visible in khaenriah only

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Noooo, nod krai is significant regardless

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And Nod-Krai is the land closest to the moon
Also the Fatui imply the Frostmoon did it because they were confused Columbina didn't know

[thick oyster]

Nod-Krai was canonically the first area hit by the Cataclysm
Likely led by Rerir

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They imply it because bina of all connected to the moons ought to know

[thick oyster]

She wasn't connected to the Crimson Moon though
She's connected to the Frostmoon

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Where is it stated it was the first ?

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Still to the fatui, as a moon goddess she is expected to be aware of it

[thick oyster]

Behind the Scenes of Genshin Impact "Let's Start With Nod-Krai" | Genshin Impact #NodKrai

In the Behind the Scenes video for Nod-krai they mention it there

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She's the Moon Goddess of the Frostmoon

Not the Crimson Moon

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Still as a moon sister

She should have been privy to the CM amd its significance

[thick oyster]

The moon sister of the Frostmoon

[thick oyster]

Privy to how the Frostmoon shattered Rerir that's why his heart is there

But she wasn't

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Well, mad monk too was there trying to destroy the world by opening it bare to the true abyss

[thick oyster]

He was defeated some time before the Cataclysm

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Frostmoon was never shown to be destructive btw

[thick oyster]

All of the moons are destructive and powerful

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It was after or during
The lightkeepers were formed because of his actions

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Only crimson is shown to be

[thick oyster]

And Rerir's actions later on in Nod-Krai before he was shattered

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The Eternal Moon's fragments destroyed and consumed an entire Fatui legion

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And remember in dain’s intro

He says the Crimson moon returned to exact its vengeance on the black sun

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Those were too insignificant to defest rerir and dont qualify as a reflection

Also

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That's because Rerir directly went to the Frostmoon itself which is closest to Nod-Krai

That's why the Wild Hunt is in Nod-Krai
Rerir made it there

The Wild Hunt was made by Rerir in Nod-Krai because Rerir was in Nod-Krai when he got shattered

His heart was one of the pieces that broke off and got scattered because he was physically in Nod-Krai when it happened

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Then why would Rerir get involved

He's the Hunter of Solnari
Solnari is the Frostmoon's name

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Only the CM’s reflection is EVER shown to be potent btw

Eternal and frost dont have a strong reflection

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It isnt confirmed yet

Only aria’s is

[thick oyster]

All of them are potent they were all equal

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Nope

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It seems pretty likely though

Rerir is in Nod-krai because he got shattered there

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Canon has more merit to be frostmoon as well

[thick oyster]

Then Rerir would be the hunter of canon

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No
Nod krai is special for a whole set of reasons but not for defeating a sinner

[thick oyster]

Nod-Krai didn't defeat him the Frostmoon did

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We dony know which moon he was thr hunter of

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If it did lauma would have told us

[thick oyster]

Most likely the Frostmoon since he was in Nod-Krai when he got shattered

[thick oyster]

Nobody even knows what happens outside the False Sky

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He wasnt in nod krai though

If he was the whole populace would know

[thick oyster]

They did know

Rerir is the leader of the Wild Hunt

He was in Nod-Krai

[odd thicket]

This was post cataclysm

[thick oyster]

Yes and Rerir dissappeared after the Cataclysm

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And nowhere is he shown as the leader of the wild hunt

[thick oyster]

Not during it

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Then who is it

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Rotwang exists as well

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Rotwang

The mad monk

[thick oyster]

Rerir straight up says the Wild Hunt comes from him

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He too is special and really really strong

[thick oyster]

He is the leader of the Wild Hunt

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The world quest says the wild hunt came to be from Rotwang’s actions

[thick oyster]

No it doesn't

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Holup

[thick oyster]

The Archon Quests say they came from Rerir

Just admit Rerir was shattered by the Frostmoon

[odd thicket]

Dear Miss Aila,
I am truly sorry that I was unable to stop Miss Alia in that moment. Yet, it was through her noble sacrifice that we ultimately thwarted Rotwang and prevented the loss of countless lives. Now, I finally understand why she pretended to be my close companion. I hope to speak with you about this in greater detail when next we meet — though perhaps, by then, you will already know more about all this than I.
I shall not presume to judge, nor shall I attempt to alter your opinion of her. But I ask, if nothing else, that you allow me to honor Miss Alia's final wishes by sharing her words with you. She asked that I render all possible support to you (which I surely will. You are my benefactor, after all), and that — I relay this only as she spoke it — she hoped that you would go on to live a life of happiness and freedom.
As for the Arrow of Terpikeraunas you mentioned in your last letter, if it truly holds the power to dispel the pitch-black calamity, and if you are willing to share it with such selflessness, then on behalf of the people of Nod-Krai, please accept my deepest gratitude. Should, as you foresee, Rotwang indeed rise again from the pitch-black filth, then our successors — an order I am considering naming the "Lightkeepers," in honor of the flame you have kindled — will stand ready to vanquish the threat once more, armed with the technology you have so generously gifted us."
We can speak of the details in person whenever you are free. I understand all too well that, after Lovia's passing, the Frostmoon Scions have been left with countless matters demanding your attention.
Yours sincerely,
Solovei

The lightkeepers were formed during the cataclysm

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Nop nop nop

There is another reason the frostmoon couldnt be the one that killed him

The real frostmoon is beyond the false sky

[thick oyster]

That's just the Abyss that he will rise from he doesn't say it's the Wild Hunt, since we know that comes from Rerir

[odd thicket]

And the one in the sky is the welkin moon

[thick oyster]

Sinners can bypass the False Sky

Surtalogi can

So can Rerir

[odd thicket]

He was specifically defeated by its reflection though

[thick oyster]

Reflection is just fancy talk for some power of the moon most likely not literally

[odd thicket]

While the crimson moon is in khaenriah, to its full potency, and wreaked revenge on the black sun

[odd thicket]

It is not fancy talk here ?

Reflections are important to the lore

[thick oyster]

They put it in quotes so it isn't literal

[odd thicket]

It is literal for crimson moon

[thick oyster]

It's never stated that

[odd thicket]

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/genshin-2.jpg?q=49&fit=contain&w=750&h=422&dpr=2

Here

Iridescent is the smallest and most mysterious of the three

[thick oyster]

Rerir's heart was in Nod-Krai so he got shattered in Nod-Krai or maybe Columbina before she lost her memories and his remains became the Wild Hunt

[lost quail]

Trying to deny her relevance

I will not stand for it

[odd thicket]

Columbina never lost those memories, she never had them

[thick oyster]

She is relevant
She just won't be crazy relevant to the Nod-Krai quests

[thick oyster]

She calls the Frostmoon "her missing prologue"

[thick oyster]

The Iridescent Moon got taken over by the Abyss
It's remains went missing because of that

[odd thicket]

Because she was born without them but knowing she is missing them

[odd thicket]

It wasnt taken over by abyss

[thick oyster]

The Crimson Moon is the Iridescent just revived by the Abyss

[odd thicket]

It cannot be taken over by the abyss

[thick oyster]

Its remains went missing

[odd thicket]

Its pure kuuvahki

[odd thicket]

The remains dont matter
Its mysterious shadow or reflection does
Since it functions like a moon in on itself

[thick oyster]

they have the power of kuuvahki but also made out of stone
Nibelung got taken over by the abyys and he was pure light

[thick oyster]

No it does matter because then the CM isn't a "shadow" it is the Iridescent Moon

Not a reflection

[odd thicket]

Iridescent moon shattering is confirmed

[lost quail]

I disagree

That would be some shit anyway

Imagine making a character and only using her once.

Ooooo

I hate that in ANY story

[odd thicket]

The crimson moon is called its reflections in the web event

[thick oyster]

And it got reforged by the Abyss

[lost quail]

I hate when you have a character who’s story is clearly not over

And you just barely see them again

[thick oyster]

All the leaks saying she's going to be important are from sus sources anyway

[thick oyster]

Maybe the Crimson Moon traveled to Nod-Krai and shattered Rerir there as he was hunting for the Frostmoon

[odd thicket]

Yeah but arlecchino has her blood flow with its power and not once was it mentioned to be abyssal

Neither was early khaenriah abyssal, according to Ballads of the Fjord

Crimson Moon fought abyss at first before giving in to use it themselves

[odd thicket]

Crimson Moon is exclusive to Khaenriah’s skies

[thick oyster]

The Crimson Moon is stated to be the entrance way of the Abyss

[odd thicket]

It is at the entrance, but doesnt have to mean it is abyssal

[thick oyster]

yes it does

[thick oyster]

It's an eldritch being it can travel

It appears in Arlecchino's domain expansion

[odd thicket]

This is new
None of the moons have shown that

[thick oyster]

It literally appears in Fontaine during Arle's domain

[odd thicket]

It is her crimson moon powers being materialised
If the literal moon was out she had be stronger than Captain

[thick oyster]

That's just cause she's a dreg of the Crimson Moon blood line
but she can still tap into it and summon a porton of it

[lost quail]

And like I said it would be some shit if they put her in a flash back

How would you mention the crimson moon abd not add the ons person relèvent to that.

That would actually make me drop the story. Immediately.

Nothing I hate more in a story where the story sets up all this stuff for a character to make a good appearance in. Hints to their lore, bringing them up in conversation, having a golden opportunity to include them,
Only for them to put them on the screen for a second and move on.

Then never use them again.

Especially when we still no nothing about the character, their past, origin, how they got there,

Arlecchino is still mystery, we don’t even know how the hell ended up with the curse.

Like.. that’s just bad story telling

I’m sorry for the rant

It’s just

I dunno I can’t stand that in any story

It’s so lame

[odd thicket]

Where is this from ? And couldnt it this mean that the Eclipse dynasty would swallow the crimson moon ?

[thick oyster]

It would be bad story telling if Arlecchino became the main character and completely replaced Columbina

[thick oyster]

It's from Arlecchino's weapon

[lost quail]

I’ve seen fanfics give Arle a better backstory, lore, and spotlight than Hoyoverse.

[thick oyster]

Yeah that's how Hoyoverse works

They aren't good at writing really

[lost quail]

To the point where we need to put them on the writing team. Because they clearly can do a better job writing the characters

I saw this amazing fanfic where they went into her personality, with the kids, even interactions with Columbina.

Like. Bro.

[lost quail]

I never said that she should?

[thick oyster]

Imagine being a Capitano fan
We just have to go off cutscnes you guys at least have a quest

[thick oyster]

TBH Idk what Arle is going to do in the quests I could easily be wrong
It just feels weird to me that'd she be super important after not being established in Luna 1 at all
I do want her to get more backstory but I just think it'd be weird if she showed up in Nod-Krai unannounced

[lost quail]

Shiiiit at least we got to figure out Capitano’s entire deal and where he came from, and source of his powers. We learned more about Capitano in one patch than we learned about Arle in hers.

Arle fans are still waiting and we have been since 4.2 😭😭

Like me wanting Arlecchino to be a main part of the story or at least have relevance doesnt meet I want her to be the main character.

Also Arle said she’s going to nod Krai. All fatui are stationed there

You know what? Imma hypothesis my own Arlecchino lore

[odd thicket]

The dogmatic priests convinced the muddle-minded king upon the throne that the remnants of the Crimson Moon in the sky ruled all,
For it is the color of the moonlight that flows beneath mortal flesh, and the darkness hidden within the bottom of the abyss shall too emerge from the Crimson Moon.
This being so, the king of humanity should take upon himself the name of the Crimson Moon, and by the light and flame of two worlds judge fickle fate.
Thus they yearned for transcendent individuals to build countless glorious towers, and prayed for the long-dead Crimson Moon to bring them salvation.
Until the astrologists branded as heretics glimpsed in the inverted image of the false sky the origin of all the world's fate,
Until the unquenchable flames of doubt and fury blazed across the dreamless realm like wildfire, finally burning to the moonlight-hued palace itself...

This is to tell that the folly the astronomers peddled to their king, and that guaranteed the rise of the Eclipse Dynasty/ the Dark Sun

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4470566

[odd thicket]

You could see the try skies or the true space via the Abyss behind Crimson Moon

This toppled the First Dynasty

[lost quail]

Maybe Arlecchino was given her power by Ronova herself or something.

[odd thicket]

And this secret was hidden away right after

Until re discovered by the Mad Monk who was exiled by Irmin for it

[thick oyster]

We literally don't know where his powers come from though 😭
it's stated he never used his heart to gain powers so we don't know where his ice powers come from

[lost quail]

Arle doesnt even know what her powers are she called it a curse. That shit aint no curse.

[odd thicket]

Seven Shifting Snake

[lost quail]

Thank you

[odd thicket]

Is a possibility

[thick oyster]

But that uses abyssal power and Capitano doesn't like the Abyss 😭

[odd thicket]

And with enough experience and powers you can harness elemental energy without needing a vision

[thick oyster]

Also it has a Nightsoul aura

[odd thicket]

Khaenriahs during the reign of the Crimson Moon used alchemy to harness the elements

[thick oyster]

If it consumes her heart she's going to mutate into some monster probably

[lost quail]

I came up with a design

[odd thicket]

Re: Azozite

[thick oyster]

Maybe he got his ice powers from the Ley lines or something

[thick oyster]

Can I see it?

[odd thicket]

Azozite production lends this credibility

[lost quail]

In my head. I didn’t draw it. But it’s gonna be more Eldritch horror

[thick oyster]

Yeah but I'd like a full explanation from the game itself

[thick oyster]

Ah ok

[odd thicket]

Nah shes descendant of Perinherri most likely

Of Perinherri the strongest of a class of Khaenrian Knights during the rise of Eclipse Dynasty and Angelica the Angel

[odd thicket]

Azozite is pure elemental energy likely borrowed from the leylines

[thick oyster]

Rotwang saw the Abyss and got banished for it cause he started worshiping it

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know that

[odd thicket]

Or captured from environments and condensed

[odd thicket]

He saw the true abyss

[thick oyster]

Perinheri wasn't royalty though

[thick oyster]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Perinherri was special
The curse of wilderness wasnt applicable to him

[thick oyster]

That's cause he was purebred

[odd thicket]

Nope… not in that sense

[thick oyster]

Or didn't have any ancestors who abandoned their nations

[lost quail]

Look all I’m saying is, that as an Arle fan. It’s a little frustrating to have to wait to see Arlecchino again

If EVER again. Because they clearly don’t wanna delve into her. Hoyoverse fell off after Fontaine anyway 😭/hj

Heck I’d kill to see Arle snd Childe interact again. That’s my favorite platonic ship u-u

Sibling core…

[odd thicket]

He was an orphan who drifted to Khaenriah

He never abandoned Celestia

[thick oyster]

Bennet got a whole event quest dedicated to his backstory
it would be cool if Arle got one lol

[lost quail]

But you know they won’t until half the player base can’t play their dumb game anymore

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

The true abyss wanted him to open the gates to Elysium / Nod Krai to ravage the world from there on

He got the Belyi Tsar killed

[thick oyster]

We don't know how he drifted to Khaenri'ah though
The book itself says they never got aliens from beyond

[odd thicket]

Solovei was involved in putting him down

[thick oyster]

I also think Rerir is his son tbh

Would make sense with Rerir's namesake

[odd thicket]

He drifted to khaenriah via their trade routes with the surface

[thick oyster]

That would mean he has ancestors from other nations

And be turned into a hillichurl

[odd thicket]

The first and only visitor to visit khaenriah from space/ abyss was Traveller Sibling

[odd thicket]

But he himself didnt abandon celestia

He “drifted” to khaenriah

Unknowingly

[thick oyster]

Neither did Caribert he was just a kid when he got cursed
Celestia only cares about yout heritage

[lost quail]

I’m sorry if I’m getting a little angry bout it. I just can’t. Stand. Missed potential.

Why did her parents give Arle up?
Was she a mistake?
Was she not supposed to be in Teyvat?
What happened to her real parents?
How did she get her powers?
Did the powers come from Ronova? Because she has ALOT of Ronova imagery.
Was her parents afraid of her?
What was her whole dream about? Why did she feel comfort from it?

Luna 1 talking about the CM and Columbina mentioning Arlecchino TWICE like ARC-ACK!!

[odd thicket]

Perinherri’s ancestors never abandoned celestia either

It was just he himself who went to the underground kingdom

[thick oyster]

We know nothing about his parents

[odd thicket]

Wait

[lost quail]

I want Columbina. Arlecchino, snd Sandrone to be seen together

Give me Arlebina please. Tehee.

[lost quail]

Crack theory? What if he’s related to Rerir

[odd thicket]

In anticipation of the arrival at their Kingdom of gods from beyond the so-called ocean — or rather, the arrival of beings who could transcend the gods — they founded an organization, an orphanage to take care of such children. In latter days, the orphans of the Kingdom and those who wandered in from outside were accepted as well

He wandered into khaenriah

[lost quail]

I’m gonna write a little fanfic about my guess as to what might’ve happened to Arlecchino

[odd thicket]

"As for you, Perinheri, you are one who drifted there. Thus, you bear no such curse. You may not have the nobility to shoulder a world, but you too have your own destiny."
"And as for me? I betrayed no one, not for a moment, until my god died, so I too bear this curse not. But you now see who I truly am, yes?"

[thick oyster]

Yeah and the wanderers would probably get cursed if they left too

[odd thicket]

Rerir was in Irmin’s court though, he was black sun

[odd thicket]

But they didnt get cursed here

Perinherri lucked out, it happened by pure chance when he was young

[thick oyster]

Yeah Rotwang would have left him in the kingdom when he was banished

[thick oyster]

Maybe IDK the story is pretty vague

[odd thicket]

He would be Surtologi’s father as well

[thick oyster]

No his parents were just death row inmates

Rotwang was banished

[odd thicket]

Nah it isnt

According to nicole in the fontaine archon quest

The god’s prophecies and curses are only from their perspective

Mortals and other beings can cheat it by shifting perspective and operating from there

[odd thicket]

Yeah fair enough

[thick oyster]

I meant the book Perinheri itself

But sure I guess

[odd thicket]

The leader of the wild hunt galloping across the night sky…….

[lost quail]

Where maybe she was put on this sort of alter bench? And she was the last person to receive powers from the moon before they were attacked

Arlecchino’s parents were dying? And she saw them burning alive and that scarred her or something.

And as a last ditch effort I save her, they do a ritual thar not only puts all their energy and memory inti her, but also figure out a way to-

Wait a minute…

Wait wait

[odd thicket]

The wild hunt was never shown to be a flying threat in 6.0 btw

[lost quail]

When did the crimson moon fall??,

The dynasty

[odd thicket]

Only that they appear in desolate regions at night

[odd thicket]

No date is given

[lost quail]

CUZ HOW OLD IS SHE??

She’s 27

Like

We know that but

Then…

How

[thick oyster]

Rerir can fly

[odd thicket]

I feel like that would haw been mentioned in NSU

[odd thicket]

Yes he can

[thick oyster]

We see him do it in his fight against Pulonia

[lost quail]

How did she show up

[odd thicket]

But

[lost quail]

Cuz it seems like the dynasty ended CENTURIES ago.

[odd thicket]

There were survivors

Who prayed for its revenge on Irmin

[thick oyster]

Arifact sets can be vague
The ones about Kukulkan didn't mention he was Xiuhcoatl's brother for example

[lost quail]

HOW IS ARLECCHINO HERE??

[odd thicket]

No clue

[thick oyster]

She was just a distant descendant of the clan

[odd thicket]

Yeah true

[thick oyster]

And none of the ones about Och-Kan mentioned he was Kukulkan's son

[odd thicket]

The only survivor of Crimson Moon outside Khaenriah is Perinheri

[thick oyster]

He's probably dead

[odd thicket]

It was a closely guarded secret known only to two people

[odd thicket]

That he is

[thick oyster]

We don't know where he went

[odd thicket]

But arlecchino could be his descendant

[thick oyster]

Och-Kan hid it Xbalanque probably knew though

[thick oyster]

But Perinheri wasn't roaylty
Unless he married into the royal family

[odd thicket]

That makes it three total

[thick oyster]

Yeah and not many people probably know Rerir is Rotwang's son

[odd thicket]

He was “pure” blood in the sense the curse of wilderness wasnt applicable

[thick oyster]

Yeah but he woulnd't have Crimson Moon powers

[odd thicket]

The sinners would definitely know

[thick oyster]

Yeah and nobody talks to them

[odd thicket]

Why couldnt he have ? None of the pure bloods did

In fact the whole deal with crimson moon and the astronomers was a sham

[thick oyster]

I imagine the royal family only got it do to some experiments or whatever

[odd thicket]

They never could use it

[lost quail]

But

The curse she has is like.. way too idk

Fresh or something???

Because her family left her to Crucabena ..when she was 6.. or she was abandoned in Fontaine when she was six.

But..her family like..

Ok is Khaenriah still in tact?? Am I over thinking this????

Same with Kaeya too!! Not just Arlecchino

[odd thicket]

They used basic alchemy

[thick oyster]

They could have done other stuff as well
Made alchemy out of the Crimson Moon powers

[odd thicket]

Khaenriah completely annihilated

[lost quail]

THEN WHERE DID SHE COME FROM

[odd thicket]

Then it wasnt exclusive to Nobles

Or impure khaenrians

[thick oyster]

Kaeya's dad kinda implies there are still people living in Khaenri'ah's ruins

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[odd thicket]

Or he could be from the future

[thick oyster]

They would have reserved the potions for the royalty

[odd thicket]

As closely guarded secrets yes

Nothing that an angel couldnt have figured out during her time in khaenriah

[thick oyster]

You mean Angelica?

[odd thicket]

Kaeya = born from new khaenriah

Arle = born from perinherri linesge

[odd thicket]

Yep

[lost quail]

Ok ok ok ok then.

So maybe Arlecchino’s parents were living in the ruins or something.. but that doesn’t explain why she doesn’t remember them or the ruins..
and Kaeya would’ve mentioned this…

Perhaps trauma or her curse ruining her memory? But Arlecchino is far from forgetful.

[odd thicket]

Angels LOVE their moons

[thick oyster]

Doubt it

[odd thicket]

Dont doubt it
Space and Time for you hints this

[lost quail]

Which how long ago was the lineage

[odd thicket]

Possibly 1000?

[lost quail]

Here we find out arlecchino might be a time traveler 🤭👁️👄👁️

[odd thicket]

The crimson moon dynasty got their revenge in the cataclysm

[thick oyster]

I think it's implied she only got to the orphanage as a baby

[thick oyster]

Istaroth only did that to two very important aliens
She wouldn't do it for some random guys

[lost quail]

Why did her parents give her-
Nvm if I was living in some dusty ass ruins I’d try to get my child outta there too.

[odd thicket]

New Khaenriah established in Mare Jivari can probably do that without istaroth’s aid

With sibling or traveller’s powers

[lost quail]

YOU SEE!!! You see what I mean when I say I want the devs to do more with Arlecchino???

[odd thicket]

Arlecchino is getting her spotlight in Nod Krai

Dw

[lost quail]

Seems like I need to get to work on my fan interpretation then mehehe

[lost quail]

I hope so. Because what I just asked was a lot

[odd thicket]

Childe is getting whole of Sneznaya from himself

[thick oyster]

We don't know where it's been established

[thick oyster]

We don't know that

[odd thicket]

Currently only Mare Jivari can host khaenriah
Because it is windless

[odd thicket]

Childe shares name with the third descender Ajax

[thick oyster]

Yeah but it'd be super dangerous to put it there
Plus we're going to be exploring the Mare Jivari soon in the Luna patches

[thick oyster]

We don't even know if his real name is Ajax

The 3rd I mean

[odd thicket]

It is only super dangerous because of bakunawa

Enjou is from khaenriah and went in there to see if he can remember his own forgotten homeland

[thick oyster]

Or if he is Ajax

[thick oyster]

Enjou isn't from Khaenri'ah

You just make things up

[odd thicket]

Abyss Order is khaenriah

[thick oyster]

Not entirely

Some members are from outside Khaenri'ah

[odd thicket]

There is no info on recruitment

[thick oyster]

A sumerian became a member of the Abyss order

Also we can kill Abyss Lectors so they aren't Khaenri'ahns

[odd thicket]

Also, like others from Abyss Order, Enjou had completely forgotten their Homeland

[lost quail]

Of questions. And the questions apply to Kaeya too.

Because if Arlecchino is here, and raising questions already

Do we know a lot about Kaeya? Like his origin? Anyone looked at the manga for it?

[odd thicket]

You can be immortal and still lose your body

Re: Gethrud

[thick oyster]

Haden says he can't be killed and Dain beats the shit out of him

[odd thicket]

He didnt forget his homeland

[odd thicket]

Haden is a high order inquisitorious Baptist

Dain wanted to torture him

[thick oyster]

Then he'd still know he's from Khaenri'ah if every Abyss Order member was Khaenri'ahn

[odd thicket]

Killing him without destroying his body

[thick oyster]

Yeah that's cause Enjou is special

Enjou is from natlan

[odd thicket]

In that same dain quest we learn all of them had forgotten their past lives and khaenriah nearly entirely

[thick oyster]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Klingsor

[lost quail]

“I mean I totally did betray them”

[odd thicket]

Erosion of memories

[thick oyster]

Sumerian

[odd thicket]

What no

[thick oyster]

Yes but Enjou has a physical form

[thick oyster]

He's the Lavawalker from Natlan

The Lavawalker

[odd thicket]

He doesnt need to be from natlan though ?

[thick oyster]

He literally gives you the Lavawalker flower and he says the quote of the Lavawalker

[odd thicket]

So does Haden

[lost quail]

Off topic

How long do you think Xilonen has left to live

[thick oyster]

Haden says he can barely even move his limbs

[odd thicket]

He could have researched the lava walker before hand and the memories from the flower slipped into his being

Like it happened in tsurimi, dragonspine, etc

[thick oyster]

A long life because the Genshin team forgot that plot line

[odd thicket]

Still has a physical form

[odd thicket]

Traveller will save her in an event like with Hu Tao

[lost quail]

Even in the Chinese og lines she should still have some life expectancy shortened.

[thick oyster]

Abyss Order members still have memories of Khaenri'ah they're just fuzzy
All of the Abyss Order members in the recent quest were meditating to donate their memories to the atlas

[thick oyster]

I mean physical function not physical form

[lost quail]

Home girl will be dead in 20 years.

She’s 25 max

Let’s wait

[thick oyster]

Still, forgotten by devs

The ultimate safety measure

[odd thicket]

They didnt have enough
They had to literally scrape bottom of the barrel for it

Thats why they did the hail mary plan of inviting dain in to use him

[thick oyster]

Yeah but they still remember they're from Khaenri'ah
Even Haden
Enjou straight up says the Abyss Order isn't his home

[lost quail]

Imagine you tell someone that

Imagine you say “oh you were gonna die? But like, the game devs forgot to kill you.”

[thick oyster]

Dain has memory erosion too

He's just slightly better

[odd thicket]

Haden can only remember he is from there

Everything else is gone

He doesnt remember what he did to dain

And surtologi

[thick oyster]

Yeah so Enjou should remember too

[odd thicket]

Enjou was a lowly clerk of the abyss order

The erosion isnt uniform and he could have taken the worst of it early

[odd thicket]

He doesnt

Hes faking it

[thick oyster]

That's just what he calls himself
He's an Abyss Lector, which are relatively high up

[thick oyster]

He straight up says that his memories from the past 500 years are fuzzy in one of the collective miscellanies

[odd thicket]

Enjou says the AO isnt his home because of their conflict of interest and Enjou’s clashing spirit

[lost quail]

I really wanna know Arlecchino’s reaction if you tell her she’s legit not supposed to be here.

Like she got here on some time travel shit.

…she’d take it well

[odd thicket]

Hes lying to hide his ring’s powers

[thick oyster]

But they're the new Khaenri'ah
And you say Khaenri'ah is his home

[odd thicket]

They are not new khaenriah

[thick oyster]

He shouldn't have to hide it in a miscellany

[odd thicket]

They are working to restore new khaenriah

[thick oyster]

They're the biggest congregation of Khaenri'ahns

[odd thicket]

i recall him telling this to traveller in chasm too

[thick oyster]

He would have no reason to lie to the Traveler

[odd thicket]

And almost all of them forgot nearly everything about it

[odd thicket]

Yet he does, the ring is mysterious and very important

The welkin moon glider description is teasing the ring’s importance

[thick oyster]

Yeah but they still remember they're from Khaenri'ah

Paimon implies he's a Muratan

[odd thicket]

He immediately calls her a fool for suggesting it

He can collect memories from all dead civilisations

Except his own

[thick oyster]

No he calls her a fool for suggesting he's the last survivor of Muratans, which was Tenoch
Paimon suggests it again later on and he doesn't reject it

[lost quail]

The devs are like me fr. Figuring out story as I go along

[odd thicket]

They cant remember their own names, khaenrian life, people, places, etc

They needed dain for it

[odd thicket]

Nah it was written out from the start

[thick oyster]

That's because he's traveled through the Mare Jivari before as the Lavawalker, who was from Natlan

[lost quail]

Really? Then tell me when Xilonen is supposed to die

[thick oyster]

They can remember their names, haden still remembers his

[lost quail]

[odd thicket]

Lava walker neednt have been from natlan
He was only a scholar berated by his peers

[thick oyster]

He isn't ever mentioned to be foreign though

[lost quail]

I just wanna imagine how characters react when you tell them very specific things

[odd thicket]

Some dont, like Enjou and Haden completely forgot the past with Surtr and Dain

He lost a huge chunk of his personality

[odd thicket]

Nor was he mentioned as a native of natlan

[thick oyster]

That's cause Enjoi isn't Khaenri'ahn
They wouldn't keep it a mystery if he was just Khaenri'ahn

[odd thicket]

Mare Jivari has been a site of curiosity for time immemorial

[odd thicket]

Which non khaenrian abyss user has ever shown signs of erosion like enjou ?

Jakob and Klingsor both had perfect recollection

[thick oyster]

It states that nobody has challenged the flames of the Mare Jivari in hundreds of years
So it was long after the Cataclysm

[odd thicket]

Mare jivari existed for over 1000 years

Thats the whole deal with the place

[thick oyster]

He's only forgotten his home land because of the Mare Jivari jumbling his mind

[odd thicket]

It is an anomalous region where even istaroth’s powers are limited thanks to the weight of the bakunawa

[thick oyster]

The Wanderer's Troupe just got transported in time to it

[odd thicket]

That was never shown to be the case

[thick oyster]

That's why they fought the Bakunawa

[lost quail]

“Yeah Freminet your father is only a few years older than you.”

“Yeah Arlecchino you’re not even supposed to be here. Quite literally in every sense of the word”

“Yeah Columbina I ate all your food.”

“Yeah lumine, Paimon might be one of the shades. Specifically the shade who separated you from your brother.”

“Yeah Miko we know you have abandonment issues.”

“Mavuika you need fucking therapy”

[thick oyster]

It's stated that it was only a raging inferno after the Cataclysm

[odd thicket]

Its the other way around
Bakunawa got time transported

[lost quail]

Just causing chaos

[odd thicket]

Its mentioned its erratic

Not always a raging inferno

[lost quail]

By telling them world shattering revelations

[thick oyster]

Yeah but it only became flames after the Cataclysm and it got blown away by Venti

[odd thicket]

That was just one shard of mare eutheymia

Not the whole mare

The bartender in Teto Isle tells us aboutnit

[lost quail]

Don’t give any Genshin character access to twitter

None of them

[thick oyster]

No it was the whole Mare

[odd thicket]

Nope

That is just a corner of the mare jivari

Like enjou said

You cant access the true mare jivari without the power of the bakunawa

[lost quail]

I want to eat the Bakunawa

[lilac coral]

The devs said in the Livestream that it was just a part of it and that more will be released later

[odd thicket]

Because it fed into the leylines/ nightkingdom part it was sealed in

[lilac coral]

Unless you're talking about something else and not their release plans

[lost quail]

I just thought of an oc that only a mother could love, me.

She’s a menace to society : D

[thick oyster]

Here she says it only became a complete wasteland after the battle

[odd thicket]

Yes

Its called the windless land because the anemo tribe perished there

[thick oyster]

Also cause it has no wind

[odd thicket]

Meaning no istaroth

[thick oyster]

Yes

[lost quail]

Lauma is so sweet

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gyutaro-kimetsu-no-yaiba-demon-slayer-gif-24563509

[lost quail]

Her bird friend shat in a soup and she said “no don’t do that pls : <“

[odd thicket]

When Bakunawa exploded it corrupted all moments of the mare jivari

It was forever corrupted by the abyss through time

[thick oyster]

Yeah it caused the flames which the Lavawalker traversed later on

[odd thicket]

Hence the wanderer’s troupe fought it 1000 years ago

[odd thicket]

Lava Walker could be before cataclysm too

[lost quail]

This oc would set Childe’s hair on fire due to pyromaniac tendencies

[odd thicket]

Mare Jivari was open as early as 1000 years ago

It has time space fluctuations because of Bakunawa

So the OG pure mare and the wartorn mare could co exist

[thick oyster]

Ok

[lost quail]

I wonder why the Bakunawa would taste like

What*

[thick oyster]

Rocks

[lilac coral]

Then laughed

[lost quail]

Aw…

[lilac coral]

But yes I love lauma too

She's great

[lost quail]

She also threatened to kill three colonizers

I love her : D

[lilac coral]

Idk how far you are into the quest but I love a scene a little later with her when she reveals something secret about herself

[thick oyster]

Nod-Krai is literally Sneznahya land though

[lilac coral]

That scene really got me hooked on her character

[lost quail]

For how long?

[lilac coral]

Like it's a subversion that's been done before but with her and how she is it feels so much more

[thick oyster]

For like 2000 years

[lilac coral]

To explain a little more: nod krai is in snezhnaya but it's not a part of its ruling

[lost quail]

Maybe they shouldn’t call them savages then.

[thick oyster]

The tsaritsa granted it autonomy 500 years ago but it's still considered a territory of Sneznahya

[lilac coral]

It's a sovereign region within snezhnaya's borders

[lost quail]

It’s giving Ukraine and Russia

Huh…

You know the whole time I did the quest

[thick oyster]

The Scions themselves wanted to conquere Nod-Krai and take it over
They just failed

[odd thicket]

Also
He doesnt deny or confirm hes muratan, but later on when asked the direct question of who he was he kills any chance of it being true because he has derived memories of so many ancient events and cultures that werent his

[lost quail]

That’s the vibe I got

[lilac coral]

Not Ukraine and Russia, since Ukraine is its own thing and not part of Russia

[lost quail]

Doesn’t justify calling them savages btw

[thick oyster]

Sure I guess

[thick oyster]

They canonically practiced eugenics in the past

[lost quail]

Is Lauma savage

[odd thicket]

7000

[lilac coral]

Yeah, enjou is such a beautiful enigma 😭

[odd thicket]

Belyi tsar held dominion over nod krai

[lilac coral]

I hope we see him again some day

[queen prawn]

Amgelus in the flesh

[lost quail]

The fatui is a whole ass terrorist group

I feel like maybe we should call off the whole savages thing

[thick oyster]

I have a crazy theory on him I've been planning on typing up

[lost quail]

I was like “what the fuck”

[thick oyster]

Or in the hazard suit heh heh

[lilac coral]

She's verbally a savage
Some of those burns she dishes out to the fatuus were insane LOL

[queen prawn]

[odd thicket]

Nod krai was populated by Scions for a long while until reed miller established nasha town

[thick oyster]

He didn't establish Nasha Town
Belyi did

He had a Fae governor ruling Nod-Krai

[lost quail]

It was.

All I saw were peaceful people
And then fatui had the audacity to call them savages. So forgive me if I dare take the Scions side

[odd thicket]

Belyi didnt
Reed was destined to rule and unite Elysium

He also tried to build it

[queen prawn]

Old scion were savage

[odd thicket]

Idt nasha town was established then

[lost quail]

Idk.

I think I’d rather side with the people who aren’t leading a terrorist organization

Tsk idk

[queen prawn]

Some of them currently are too but lauma fixed them

[thick oyster]

Well he was born when Belyi already controlled Nod-Krai
Reed Miller rejected his destiny and wanted no kings over Nod-Krai

[lilac coral]

Tbf, they probably view them as such because they're more "traditional", in the same sense that a lot of people would call irl tribes savage back in earlier days

Not defending it

[thick oyster]

That's why he fought the Governor

[lilac coral]

But trying to figure out why

I assume that's why

[odd thicket]

Yep

[thick oyster]

That's fair

[lilac coral]

Because they aren't adhering to more modern technology and things and worshipping a dead goddess etc etc

That and those two were jackasses anyway

We've seen other fatuus who weren't dickheads like those guys

They probably would've been more civil about things

[thick oyster]

Yeah I think Ineffa mentions that Nasha Town has traces from the fae governor era too

[odd thicket]

It wasnt organised until reed too iirc
Hence his divine fame across the town

[thick oyster]

No it was organized, under a governor who apparently stole an artifact from the Scions
Reed stole money from the nobles of Nod-Krai because he wanted them out

[odd thicket]

The artefact was the sampo mill and Alia

[thick oyster]

He was Robin Hood essentially

[lost quail]

That’s why I have an issue with it. That’s I was pissed off by the guy calling them savages

Like who are you? And the reason I drew the small comparison to Ukraine snd Russia was because before Ukraine got their independence ( YAAAYY!!!) they were under the USSR.

and before I got context, I thought the land was the Scions first. And it reminded me of the indigenous peoples here in Americas.

So I was like. I’m alresdy on the Scions side.

Especially with the savages bit. Like ew. Though tbf. We learn not all fatui are bad fatui. Arle is an anti villain
Capitano straight up saved a nation
So like..EH?? Sorry for the rambling

[thick oyster]

Not Alia. He convinced her on his own I think

It's vague

[odd thicket]

Aila is the first moonchanter

[lilac coral]

Yeee no worries

[thick oyster]

There were two Alias
One Alia was the moonchanter the other ran off with Reed
They were sisters

[lilac coral]

I also thought you meant current Ukraine and Russia and not previous lol

[thick oyster]

It gets confusing

[odd thicket]

Alia was the twin sister whom reed “kidnapped” and fell in love with

She was meant to be his maid but he stole her anyway

[odd thicket]

Alia and Aila

Alia does stopping rotwang

[thick oyster]

Yeah but the other Alia remained and became the Moonchanter and killed Lovia

[thick oyster]

She also impersonated Reed Miller seemingly

[odd thicket]

Yes
Hence the confusion amongst the scions that he fell in love with the moonchantress

They were twins

[thick oyster]

Was there confusion about that? Do any NPCs mention it?

[odd thicket]

It was to show him reminiscing her iirc
Since Aila did decades ago judging by that last proof’s desc

[odd thicket]

Yeah

The first moonchantress his a lot of details and sealed away the info

[thick oyster]

No the mask broke and the pronouns switch to "she"
Also Solovei mentions she impersoned "his close companion" I.E. Reed since they were childhood friends

[odd thicket]

Its also impossible because reed’s beauty was akin to a fae and aila was a human

[thick oyster]

Well "Reed" started wearing a mask

So that was probably the reason

[lost quail]

Nonono no

I’m glad Ukraine is on its own. What they’re going through is terrible.

Btw Lauma’s VA sound so pretty. The way she pronounces things

[odd thicket]

There are twins here too

Aila and Alia could have impersonated one another too

[lost quail]

“KuutaRrr”
Like
:000❤️

[thick oyster]

I doubt it

[odd thicket]

Wait lemme reread the proof of cognoscenti

[lost quail]

I kinda wish we had more accents in this game

I want someone with Augusta or Zani’s accent

[lilac coral]

I adore the way she pronounced Kuutar

It makes me wonder why she's the only one

[worldly rain]

But if the source is same then doesn't matter how many times she appeared what matters is that wild hunt came from her which is also the domain of night mother anyway

[lilac coral]

The way she says Kuutar sounds gorgeous with the little trill on the r, and then you have everyone else sounding like a normal American pronouncing the name

[lost quail]

I loooove Zani’s accent is so scrumptious

THE WAY SHE PRONOUNCES WORDS IN WUTHERING WAVES EE!!

Her accent is Greek but I think they were trying to aim for Italian..

[lilac coral]

It definitely sounds more natural for the region it's based on with how she pronounces it

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/zani-zani-wink-wuthering-waves-wuthering-zani-wuthering-zani-wink-gif-7290781448361088272

[odd thicket]

True

[lost quail]

Right!!?? Like ooooo everyone follow the leader now. Yall should be doing Whats Lauma’s va is doing.

But maybe they’re trying to create the thing where foreigners don’t say it the way natives do?

But even I’m not a first language Spanish speaker and I can say words just fine in Spanish

[odd thicket]

The thief who wore the silver mask held the gods in open contempt, scorning the empty fame that the nobles vied for so desperately.
To the taciturn thief, both the northland Tsar and the mistress of the Frost Moon deserved his contempt and silence equally.
Until that rush of moonlight poured from the high tower, incinerating both the silver and the resolve reflected in her eyes...

@thick oyster it doesnt have to be an impersonation

She could refer to a completely different person than reed

[lilac coral]

But the other scions don't pronounce it like she does

And they aren't foreigners

[lost quail]

Everyone: “KEWtar”

Lauma:

[thick oyster]

I guess but Solovei's notes imply she impersonated Reed
Lemme get it

[odd thicket]

Huurekuutar

[lilac coral]

Skyr

Moi

Vittu

[odd thicket]

Columbina corrected her personally thats why

[lilac coral]

Maybe lol

[lost quail]

Right so like…why is she the only one

Could be a mistake on English directors part but
Vas are known for taking liberties

Xilonen’s va is the best example of this.

Xilonen for me has the best VA in the game

[odd thicket]

He also mentions her dying though

Alia died

For this

[lilac coral]

Anyway, it's 2am and I gotta go to work in the morning so gn kuutarhr

[thick oyster]

Yeah by sacrificing herself

[odd thicket]

It couldnt have been her in the proof of cognoscenti circlet

Then

[thick oyster]

She was pretending to be Reed beforehand

[lost quail]

Her way of speaking is so unique and so natural.

Everyone sounds like the standard anime character but XILONEN?? It sounds like you’re on the phone with a friend

[thick oyster]

Her mask was shattered and her resolve too
She could have sacrificed herself afterwards

[odd thicket]

Yep

And reed had the sampo mill allegedly after the end

[thick oyster]

He probably hid it somewhere and we might find it in the next world quests

[lost quail]

I was about to put Xilonen on speaker

[odd thicket]

Lauma reminds me of my kind teachers
Xilonen is natural

[odd thicket]

The pulp fiction book of his says he took to the seas to hide somethinf precious

[lost quail]

Lauma’s VA is so peak choosing to say the words like that

I sound like an idiot saying it like thar but I’m not good with words

[thick oyster]

The pulp fiction stories are stated to not be super accurate but yeah it probably has something to do with Mill

[odd thicket]

Ye
She has a soft and authoritative voice
Like how

[lost quail]

Skill

Straight up skill

And Paimon’s va sounds natural too!!

[odd thicket]

6.1 leaks ||alrecchino and dainsleif appear next archon quest ||

[lost quail]

YEA

UES

AETSHITEI

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-cat-crying-cat-cry-why-gif-27571714

MY GIRL

MY PRINCESS

https://tenor.com/view/arlecchino-arlecchino-genshin-gif-16701701366933071169

Look at my precious

Isnt she sweet?

[odd thicket]

I wonder how important the sampo mill is

[lost quail]

Such an Angel uwu

[odd thicket]

Her spider form is elegant

[thick oyster]

Probably pretty important

[lost quail]

Arlecchino deserves a kissth

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/arlecchino-gif-9592751944805370179

[lost quail]

She has a kissable face. I wanna pinch her face

[odd thicket]

We are also getting the seelie court next expansion btw

[thick oyster]

You mean Hyperborea?

[kindred epoch]

That Lake Amsvartnir?

[thick oyster]

But yeah I think I know what you mean

[thick oyster]

Yes

Varka was also there last we know

[odd thicket]

No, that is north of sneznaya
Seelie court is at lake armsvartnir, where varka was at the start of the AQ

I think Rerrir drew him away from nod krai on purpose

[thick oyster]

Piramida + The Lake + Hyperborea
The lake won't be too big imagine

[lost quail]

Klee sounds natural when she talks too I realized

Likw you’re talking to an actually kid

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-arlecchino-arlecchino-clapping-arlecchino-cute-arlecchino-chibi-arlecchino-gif-15667476332557738786

[thick oyster]

No Hyperborea was flooded and went underwater I believe so it won't be north
Plus Koitar was in the courts and she was the queen of Hyperborea

[odd thicket]

Hyperborea went under ice not water

[lost quail]

I want Columbina to give her a moon blessed kiss

Just a peck

[kindred epoch]

Frozen and disconnected

[lost quail]

🤭

[odd thicket]

Koitar was last seen lamenting in the seelie court

[thick oyster]

Yes underwater underneath the ice

[odd thicket]

Hyperborea became uninhabitable

[odd thicket]

Ice
According to skirk set

[kindred epoch]

Do you think that's like the ghost of her or could she still be there somehow

[odd thicket]

And its further north

[thick oyster]

Yeah and the courts were Hyperborea since that was her kingdom

[thick oyster]

Nod-Krai and Piramida are North

[odd thicket]

Prolly left over wills
The moons have it
The crimson moon is the leftover wills of the iridescent
Humans have it
Would be odd if seelies dont

[kindred epoch]

Is she also the one supposedly singing to the wolf mentioned in the drunkard's tale?

[odd thicket]

Noooo

This court is specifically the Angels’

Hyperborea is north to even sneznaya

[odd thicket]

Yep

A wolf last broke into the court

[lost quail]

Btw I’m making a Genshin modern AU where half the cast are in college. I made Arlecchino a vigilante

And Diluc one too, and they have secret identities. And sometimes work together occasionally

Mind you, neither of them know their vigilante counterparts. They just share the same chemistry class

[thick oyster]

Where does it say that

[thick oyster]

Probably Boreas

AKA Andrius

[odd thicket]

Night of Sky’s Unveiling
The Belyi Tsar didnt have any ambition of rebellion vs the false skies until he visited Hyperborea and returned, when he opened the palace to humanity

[odd thicket]

It is him

[lost quail]

I gotta figure out different courses for each character

I know Lauma in this au would take botany and biology

[odd thicket]

Hey i have heard of a similar animated show with this premise

[lost quail]

Don’t you dare say it

I know what it is

[thick oyster]

Where does it state that

[lost quail]

And youre gonna make me cry

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/miraculous-ladybug-cat-noir-adrien-agreste-marinette-dupain-cheng-ladybug-gif-27434836

[lost quail]

NOOOO

[odd thicket]

Is it this one

[lost quail]

YES.

[odd thicket]

Lol