・lore-basement

[odd thicket]

Wdym

[worldly rain]

If everything in teyvat repeat then what about the event of khanerrian history?

[odd thicket]

It does not

Khaenriah had its own linear time with no fate recycling

Then cataclysm happened and their history was deleted/ banned all together

The leylines refuse to host khaenrian history

[kindred epoch]

Did asmoday just take parts of khaenriah and put in her cubes?
I feel like that after seeing the beginning of the recent animation turning out to be one of asmoday spaces which was experimented on by rhine

[worldly rain]

Fate recycling is different no? Like ajax is not literal childe they both play the same role in fate but are still different individual

And exist in different time

[lilac coral]

Don't they both exist in teyvat in a sense too? Like I might be mistaken but don't they mention in-game that ajax was named after a famous hero

[odd thicket]

Yes
But fate recycling is the story recycling / repeating cycles

[odd thicket]

Also yes

[worldly rain]

Again ashikai video says traveler meeting direidyth in future and then giving the key to past sibling is happening at the same time with kahneria cataclysm because teyvat in a time loop and khanerria isn't
But that's not possible without istaroth or asmoday intervention
Because one event happens 500 years ago while one happens 500 years in future

Or am I understanding it wrong here?

[odd thicket]

Kinda

Cataclysm was forcing Teyvat and Khaenriah to coincide at that one point

[worldly rain]

Yeah so that where I disagree that it's not a literal time loop

Its more like asmoday or istaroth doing their thing

[odd thicket]

The cyclical fate system of teyvat forced to meet the tagent time of khaenriah

[worldly rain]

Merging space and time of two event

[odd thicket]

This goes back to a my name for now or aashikai theory from fontaine era

[odd thicket]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Its a lovecraft reference, the whole ordeal

Its about the angles/corners and curves of time

[worldly rain]

If teyvat works like simulanka then just like how we changed time inside it the same can happen to teyvat by say istaroth

[odd thicket]

That the rifthounds attack you only at the angles of time and not at the lines of time

[odd thicket]

What did simulanka do again ?

[worldly rain]

Its like how in natlan the current heroes have the same role in fate as past heroes but they are not the same character

The same should happen in teyvat I think

[worldly rain]

It's a story given life by the witches where character and their story comes alive

[odd thicket]

So much like how Istaroth grants history

[worldly rain]

They are governed by rules established by the creator aka witches

[worldly rain]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Yep

I forgot ancient names when i saw that video

Ancient names function similarly

[worldly rain]

Barbeloth gives history Alice life nicole something i dont remember more

But basically character inside the story have to follow the rules which are only broken when we traveler go inside the story

Yeah so in way that's what I get from teyvat as a whole that it works like a simulation where fate is just a pre written story and anyone with the same fate is bound by it to repeat their role in the story
However its not a literal time loop time still flows linearly
And depending upon descender intervention fate can be changed
Like how in simulanka we changed fate of mini durin

As for the key and direidyth it's more likely just asmoday and istaroth bending space time to achieve their goal rather than an actual loop in time

[odd thicket]

Yep

[spark portal]

I also think that this possibility is evil enough for one of the fandom problem,no character is evil enough for Traveler, there are few evils that can top the possibility of being used as a pawn

[odd thicket]

Yep

Though vacher would certainly have been too evil for traveller

[spark portal]

The fandom wanted an "evil to the traveler" playable character tho

[odd thicket]

So far nobody

Not even dottore

And sinners are not as evil as they appear

[spark portal]

Now that could happen with Columbina

[odd thicket]

Even Och Kan was redeemed

[odd thicket]

Maybe

[spark portal]

Somebody makes a reddit post about how Rhinedottir is an attention-seeking crazy girl lol

[odd thicket]

Take of a user who played eyes closed for years

Only reddit sub worth for genshin are the leaks and lore ones

[spark portal]

They argue that Rhinedottir abandons Khaenri'ah's people, treat her creations badly, and now she wants to become a Shade and actually succeeded

[odd thicket]

We have no clue to her motivations

Or the other’s except Surtologi

[spark portal]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/GenshinImpact/s/Z8S5eFIYwe

[spark portal]

Here's the post

[odd thicket]

It sounds so contemptuous and juvenile

[odd thicket]

So many wrong details

Of course its from the main sub

[spark portal]

Well, it turns out that this post was asking to make her to stay true evil if you read it further

[odd thicket]

Yes

But we know it is false

Rhine was never “evil”

Shes a shitty person but not evil

All witches and Venti fw her

Albedo too

Outside of Surtologi idt anybody is evil

Even then i still doubt if he is

If simulanka was a lesson then early judgements are seldom right

[brazen bane]

has the name asmoday ever been in any books or notes before or do we only know it from the game files prior to the reveal trailer?

or does anyone have like, a PDF with every single line of text from the entire game so that i could filter and search for some specific stuff?

cause i would like to check every instance where we heard about istaroth for example, i can only remember the name being in reverse in before sun and moon (aside from the recent mention in the interlude quest and raiden story quest 2)

[reef axle]

Only from the game files

[reef axle]

Closest you'll find is Boolean searching the Genshin wiki

[coarse oxide]

why does tsaritsa hate celestia

[reef axle]

We dunno

Venti says she changed attitude during the Khaenriah Cataclysm, but that's the only clue we have so far

[coarse oxide]

ok

[sly bison]

They stole the last Cryo Archon’s vitamin gummies

(Like Jake said, we dunno)

[lilac coral]

They also kicked her favorite dog

[mental flame]

she was told to shower

[quick locust]

would it be reasonable to assume Welt is the Heavenly Principles

since the Heavenly Principles is referred to as He/Him and the artifacts represent the 4 shades (life, death, time, space) and the circlet is the outlier as "Reason"

Reason stands out as a reference to Bronya and Welt

and Bronya has no reason to go by He/Him

[sly bison]

It’d be more reasonable to assume that Genshin plays by its own ballpark and isn’t that concerned at playing expy catering as a whole

Tbh

[reef axle]

Yee, closest we had to a direct expy was Asmoday and sorta Raiden. And those were both year 1 designs

They haven't really done true "expys" for Honkai characters

[sly bison]

we’re more likely to get some “Honkai-flavored” characters than direct variants

And even then it’s reaching

[sly bison]

I’d say Nahida also has several noticeable parallels to Theresa too. Just more munchkin.

After that, it seems like they just don’t care about introducing anything close to variants. I remember back when folks expected Focalors to be Seelee lol.

(But what we ultimately got was better tbh)

I’m also of the camp that I hope the Tsarista is an OC rather than trying to be “Genshin Bronya”

[odd thicket]

Aventurine - Varka

[odd thicket]

Hopefully

[reef axle]

we haven't even seen Varka yet besides a glass pane panel

[sly bison]

Best hope is he’s got a small sign of a 5 o’clock shadow and the mosaic art was just for show

[lilac coral]

And built at least like gepard with armor

[odd thicket]

The teaser ?

[reef axle]

yee

That's a glass pane there

[odd thicket]

So i had a weird thought form today

[reef axle]

like in a church

[odd thicket]

Mondsdadt has a wolf, lion, falcon and what else

[odd thicket]

No i meant the nod krai preview

On June 10th

[reef axle]

dragon?

[odd thicket]

Dragon
Lion
Falcon
Wolf

Four winds of Favonius

Idk why but it reminds me of a chimara

[reef axle]

you can't see his face in that

[odd thicket]

He has aventurin’s colours

Also, i think bennett has natlanian roots

[lilac coral]

I'm going to huff a lot of copium and say that was made when he was younger too

[odd thicket]

Fantastic Voyage leaves similar patterns to Mavuika’s sun on the floor

[lilac coral]

Tbf, so does alhaitham minus the blonde hair

[odd thicket]

Nah

[lilac coral]

Wdym nah

[odd thicket]

Haitham is not smart enough to be a gambler

[lilac coral]

They both have black, teal, and gold lol

He's too smart to gamble because it's no longer counted as gambling

[odd thicket]

Nah
He a leech

Al Haitham Landlord

Aventurine honest hardworking gambler

This reminds me

[lilac coral]

I think aside from the hair color being a little different, is that aventurine has a bit more white to his outfit- but otherwise everything else is there lol

[odd thicket]

Kinich and Kaveh are very similar

Both are digital dendro claymores
Both were abandoned by their moms

Both are nerds

[reef axle]

5.8 Spoilers ||Actually explicitly confirmed in the next version||

[odd thicket]

Somewhat similar

[odd thicket]

Ik

But the subtle hints were always there

I wish Bennett gets nightsoul mode

[lilac coral]

When he gets his 5* skin

[odd thicket]

First time a HSR character is plainer than a Genshik one

The design team had success after success in sumeru

[lilac coral]

Idk, they feel equally detailed to me

Alhaitham has maybe like a couple extra trinkets but that's about it

[odd thicket]

I think thats why

[sly bison]

*is smart enough to not be a gambler

🍵

Or at least not hella risky one

[odd thicket]

J*b propaganda

[sly bison]

Bro’s a scholar it’s what he do 🍵 📚

[odd thicket]

He would definitrly not pull on the weapon banner

[odd thicket]

He gets his money from being a lazy landlord dont believe him

[sly bison]

Eh. It’s not really as high a hallmark as some would think tbh.

There’s plain and there’s “more is less.”
Then there’s detailed and there’s “crowded.” Which HSR occasionally suffers more from the latter than Genshin does overall. Granted they inherited more Hi3’s obligatory asymmetry aesthetics than GI did.

[sly bison]

Work smarter not harder

[mental flame]

https://tenor.com/view/charlotte-genshin-genshin-impact-aro-aromantic-gif-13072887547882277235

[sly bison]

Play the system

[mental flame]

Charlotte is a great example of less is more

[sly bison]

Don’t let it play you

[sly bison]

Lynette too

Then you have cases like Furina where her silhouette and structure comes off as ‘simple’ but there’s nice complementary detail the closer you look at her. Same with Wanderer. I tend to appreciate how much more ‘distinct’ Genshin design silhouettes tend to be.

Along with Nilou

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-kivi-gif-16718873392393206193

[odd thicket]

True

[sly bison]

At least neither of these games put out sth like….. whatever this is.

[odd thicket]

What game is this from even

[sly bison]

Every goddamn corner of her fit will not look symmetrical no matter what

😭

[odd thicket]

Thats fine

[sly bison]

She’s the MC of Honkai Impact part 2

[odd thicket]

But it isn’t pleasant

[odd thicket]

Oh

[sly bison]

Even it’s the intent (I don’t play so what would I know)

It hurts my brain my more I start at

So many loose tissues

The closest a Genshin deisgn didn’t to make me feel this way is prolly chasca but lessar

Which is kinda a shame cuz like

[odd thicket]

Same tbh

[sly bison]

I really really like her design’s color pallete

[odd thicket]

But its moreso why her design is weird

[sly bison]

But her fit doesn’t come together that well

[odd thicket]

Yeah

Shes the oddest natlan character for me

But ig thats the point

She a weirdo

[mental flame]

yeah

I love Charlotte

[sly bison]

Chasca’s biggest fix for me would be getting a proper pair of pants on her. Missing leg pants drive me nuts.

Preferably lose some of that black leather too but not that bad.

Also tone down the Barbie makeup a bit + the eye liner.

[mental flame]

yeah even her basic lore is all about being weird: Elf (at least by the ears), adopted by Saurians, the only FF flyer without a Saurian, can understand her Saurian mom and used to be violent as a kid

[sly bison]

That’s another bit too

I’d prolly like Chasca too look a little more ‘roughed’ up

[mental flame]

hoyo's weird obsession with asymmetry for the longest time

[sly bison]

Not always bad. Sometimes it comes together surprisingly well (I forget Yoimiya and Yelan are hella asymmetrical overall but it doesn’t bug me when I look closely).

[mental flame]

yeah some are nice, the others are just glaring time to time lmao

though I like Chasca enough to not mind it

which is also why Charlotte is my favorite Fontainian girl, has the least asymmetric design, simple yet great

[sly bison]

Real talk: If there’s any design I’ve seen heat over in Fontaine that I’ll defend, it’s def Emilie’s

[mental flame]

chipper personality for a Cryo girl too, quite underrated, wish her kit had more

[sly bison]

And this is coming from someone who like her concept designs more (in isolation)

But man, they just do not suit the character she ultimately is

Plus, it’s refreshing to spot hairstyles like hers you don’t see often

https://tenor.com/view/emilie-emilie-genshin-emilie-genshin-impact-genshin-perfume-genshin-potion-gif-52410217387095853

(Now if only they didn’t shove her in the gutter to the point she won’t even show up in other side content or events)

Btw Jake and Kc

Do you personally believe Paimon is Asmoday

[reef axle]

I believe only in Fischl

[lilac coral]

Personally, I believe it's bedtime

[queen prawn]

[spark portal]

The fucking skin colour would be my main choice.

Even as a person who doesn't complain about the racist skin colour in use by Hoyo, Chasca manages to pisses me off

[lilac coral]

Idk, I felt like chasca was one of the few who'd be fine as white since their entire village gives vibes of cowboys and classic American westerns

Whereas the others are based on places like Hawaii, Aztec culture, and other places where people are/were definitely darker in skin tone

Although I wouldn't have been mad if she was tan either, since cowboys were out in the sun a lot 😭

Just like anyone who'd be doing outdoor work for life

Maybe she used a lot of sunblock

[sly bison]

So-so. Ifa existing honestly is very refreshing but his fit and design come together much more cohesively than Chasca’s.

You could make Chasca browner all you want, but that alone would only do so much in the grand scheme of design as a whole for me.

[sly bison]

The sun is fake, as are UV rays

[lilac coral]

My skin and additional millions of freckles would beg to differ 😔

[sly bison]

Ok but we’re not in Teyvat

[spark portal]

My tanned skin in tropical Indonesia would have a word.

[sly bison]

[sly bison]

As would I, who grew up near the equator at once point, but alas
“Teyvat has its own laws.” 🍵

[lilac coral]

Maybe you're not

[sly bison]

Sus

[odd thicket]

Chasca having the same shade as mualani would be good

Any more and it wouldnt mesh

[sly bison]

Her skin tone is honestly the least of my concern with her overall design tbh

[odd thicket]

It could work

She just needs a poncho

[sly bison]

Her face looks like a Bratz doll

No amount of melanin is fixing that for me lol

[odd thicket]

True

[odd thicket]

Its too uncanny

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-drink-drinking-star-wars-the-mandalorian-gif-17050688110509314272

[lilac coral]

i just made a discovery

unless varessa, yelan, xilonen, chasca, or mauvika do (since i don't have them), the only characters that have some sort of alt sprint through their attacks or skill that allow your stamina to recharge while using them are skirk and lynette

[reef axle]

Technically Wanderer too if you count flying lol

[lilac coral]

all the others either use stamina, but at varying rates (ayaka or mona), or pause your stamina recharge while they're in use (kirara, kachina, mualani)

[lilac coral]

his recharges his stamina?

and if i'm counting ifa and his bird flying as an alt sprint, i'll count wanderer lol

but i never realized it until i started sprinting with skirk and using her hold skill to help movement and noticed the stamina bar refills while she's running in her skill lol

i just assumed it wouldn't recharge like with every other character i've used

then tested it out and found that lynette also recharges stamina while in her skill

[reef axle]

Pretty sure he does, dont have it open to confirm tho

[lilac coral]

no worries

i just felt it interesting

it's made running clear across a field easier though

[lilac coral]

i'm doing the anecdotes right now and my heart just melted at the third neuvillette one 😭

his relationship with the melusines is just so cute, and it's showcased really wholesomely with this one

also the way they all skip alongside him like a posse as they go to the entrance to merusea village

oh god kuki is going for yet another diploma

she's going to be the most educated person on teyvat at this rate

BABY IS GOING HOME

HE'S GETTING A VACATION

HE'S SEEING HIS MOM

oh please god no

[sly bison]

Im glad with the approach they’re taking with these ngl

On top of the fact that they plan to make them permanent content too eventually

[lilac coral]

yeah, i really like them when i actually sit down to do them

yeeee

it helps get some lore and interactions in with characters we like without shoehorning stuff into quests

i appreciate it

[sly bison]

Kinda sucks we likely won’t be getting anymore hangouts anytime soon again or ever but it is what it is

[lilac coral]

yeah

but i'd be fine with that

i haven't even finished half the hangouts because of how long they take

i much prefer these for the shortform information and chill way it's given to you

instead of spending an hour or two trying to get 6 different endings and repeat for like 4 characters every other patch

this way it takes like 5 minutes maximum to get something from a character and it won't feel interrupted if you need to go off and do something else after

also i find it funny i did kirara's earlier and in the time it took from neuvillette to buy hundreds of gifts and have them all wrapped and tote them to merusea village from the city of fontaine, kirara is still in wanmin restaurant burning her tongue off with xianling's food

collei growing up and gaining more confidence

she's doing so good look at her go

[sly bison]

Im guilty too
I still haven’t done Bennett’s to this day 😭

But I would’ve at least liked Collei to get one

[lilac coral]

man, they actually added unique animations to yae's too

having her go around and wrapping her arm over your shoulder, going and covering your eyes for a surprise fortune pull

[lilac coral]

"if you run, i'll show your letter to your crush!"
"NO PLEASE DON'T"

[lilac coral]

ooh, nod krai is known as an "elysium"?

that's cool

this is so funny to just walk up on

"get your asses back to the barracks NOW"
"please no we'll do anything else we can't go back there, not the thousand pushups of doom "

oh she actually was making them exercise

[lilac coral]

oh hey, we even get a name

[lost quail]

If I hear one more Furina Superfan go “ARLECCHINO HAD NO RIGHT TO QUESTION FURINA!! SHES ARROGANT ABD DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING” imma throw myself in the Tallahassee river.

You gotta be a new level of stuoid to say that. Because if I was a Fontainian citizen and found out there was a prophecy and the leader looked like she was doing nothing but slacking off and eating cake I’d be pissed abd press her too. Should she have yelled her? No was she unfounded to? NO

Did she have the right to get mad? YES.

[lilac coral]

how many furina superfans are you conversing with on the daily who say that

is it 1

[lost quail]

One sec

[lost quail]

Sorry ADHD moment

Forgot to talk to you again, I’ve seen multiple people say that. But this one who just spoke to me is saying that and I’m at my limit

[lilac coral]

ah, got it

[spark portal]

I feel like it's more about how Focalor didn't say anything to Neuvi with how to shift the blame to Focalor instead of Furina

That is if she knows Furina will be the one that will be shined in a light and be the "perpetrator" to be blamed, especially in Poisson

Could Neuvi convince the people of Fontaine if my scenario happened? Not really, but some people would know the truth

[lilac coral]

she didn't say anything to anyone though in order to make sure her plan worked, the only one "in the know" in any sense at all was furina and she was still 99% kept in the dark about it and what was going to happen outside of "everyone will die if you let anyone know you're not the archon"

from anyone's perspective outside of furina's, it looks like that

and to be fair, she did technically do just that while making a spectacle of every court case to charge the oratrice

because if neuvi knew, and he knowingly shifted the blame off to focalors instead of furina, then the fact that focalors was in existence and behind the scenes would come to light somehow and ruin her plan to destroy the throne of hydro

it would have defeated the whole purpose of her essentially hiding for 500 years and gathering energy to do something against the heavenly principals which is also why i think she never fully explained her plan to furina either

[odd thicket]

Yae Miko’s birthday too says this

[lilac coral]

like if i don't explain myself when doing something because it relates to something i never told anybody from 20 years ago, i don't expect them to understand what i am doing

[lilac coral]

the question is, in what way are they referring to it as an elysium

any time i google that word i get different results ranging from greek afterlife to a fictitious/mythical land

[odd thicket]

Heavenly me thinks

[lilac coral]

actually you know what

[odd thicket]

Both are the same

[lilac coral]

that makes sense with the shades video we got

[lilac coral]

don't tell that to anyone who believes in heaven or hell

[odd thicket]

Elysium is greek afterlife for those who made it to the greek heaven thrice in consecutive births and rebirths

[odd thicket]

Kinda

[odd thicket]

They will throw a fit regardless

[odd thicket]

There, you never go hungry and always remain blissful

[lilac coral]

doesn't normal afterlife stuff include that too?

[odd thicket]

No

[lilac coral]

it doesn't??

thats rigged

[odd thicket]

The lower heaven has less privileges and eventually you will be reincarnated

The option for average people is purgatory for a while before reincarnation

For bad people its punishment before reincarnation

[odd thicket]

Somewhat

[lilac coral]

ah

[odd thicket]

Sorry

[lilac coral]

i never really looked much into greek heaven and hell outside of like

hercules disney movie

[odd thicket]

Elysium is the lower tier heaven

The upper tier is called isle of the blessed

[lilac coral]

ah

[odd thicket]

Elysium stay is temporary

Isle of the blessed is eternal

[odd thicket]

Percy Jackson?

[lilac coral]

i watched the first movie

never read the novels

[odd thicket]

The movies are all terrible 🥀

[spark portal]

What I mean is that a few minutes before the plan was executed, Focalor could've said something now that the plan was inevitable to be working

[lilac coral]

would the prophecy still work if she went inside furina's head at the last second and was like "shhh, don't cry, you did well"? vs neuvilette letting her know just the same once he helped save everyone? it has the same effect

that and focalors kinda had to end herself before the flood actually struck everyone 😭

otherwise neuvi wouldn't have had the power to make everyone fully human

[odd thicket]

Yeah

Furina had to eventually cry

Alone

For the prophecy to happen

[lilac coral]

ye

it was literally part of the prophecy/the future that was seen by i forgot his name but he can see directly into the future

it was the last part, so it was going to happen one way or another, and it was going to happen before everyone was actually saved because there wasn't much time between the two

her crying basically summoned focalors to finish it, wasn't it?

or maybe the zoom in on her tears was just for cinematic effect

[lost quail]

That’s why it kinda got in my nerves when they said she had no right to question her. So annoying.

Hell I’d quest him her too. Arlecchino was just more aggressive about it. Well as aggressive as she could get

I love Furina too, that’s my girl but from everyone’s perspective, she wasn’t doing jack or shit

[odd thicket]

And Focalors told her to act to hide the true plan

By abating the legitimate queries

[lost quail]

Right

So I get them both

I just didn’t expect Arle to go off the way she did

I don’t see why she wouldn’t

[spark portal]

https://fixvx.com/skirkceo/status/1944058123511361699?t=flmpRoHQNWWA0INIxmtqag&s=19

Roguetotas (meme name) would have beef lol

Timely Skirk 🐋 C6R1 SKIRK HAVER (@skirkceo)

Little note to NOT open twitter on July 18

QRT: RianBeatergod02
This is gonna be fun

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 12, 2025, 3:35 PM

[lilac coral]

oh hey, this will stream while i'm on vacation

maybe i'll actually be awake for it

[odd thicket]

It was completely valid

[odd thicket]

Youtube comments, instagram, etc

[odd thicket]

If leaks about the scheduled events and trailers are true then genshin would blow WuWa of the water

[lilac coral]

It's kind of funny that wuwa's starts a half hour earlier than genshin's though lol

Idk how long their streams are, but what if it finishes before genshin's starts and everyone just moves over

Or would everyone watch them at the same time

[odd thicket]

Same time ig

[sly bison]

Important Surtalogi crumb:
||He apparently has a means to reverse Ronova’s own curse of immortality bestowed on someone if they so wish|| (Skork SQ)

the only known person who was able to ||break free from that curse|| was presumably ||Clothar through unknown means||

Sus

[odd thicket]

He doesnt reverse the curse of immortality

He can reverse their wrecked body/ erosion

[odd thicket]

That was via Vedrfolnir

[sly bison]

||No

He literally states otherwise lol
He can get rid of it entirely ||

[sly bison]

Maybe. It still stands we do not know.

[odd thicket]

Oh i forgor this

[odd thicket]

In caribert and bedtime story, the sinner chlothar meets is Vedrfolnir

Surtologi left teyvat shortly after cataclysm

And ever since been absent

[sly bison]

I know but we don’t know if Vedrfolnir was involved with this.

Or if Clothar even met Surtalogi, or if Surtalogi shared this method that he himself just refined at the time, not Verdrfolnir.

[odd thicket]

Given the nature of Loom of Fate, only Vedrfolnir matches the best with that field of work

[odd thicket]

Surtologi never returned to Teyvat though

Maybe surtologi shared it to vedrfolnir

[sly bison]

TBD

Either what Surtalogi can do is sth all Sinners are capable of, or at least sth of high Abyssal concentration that can brute force it.

Or Clothar found another way.

[odd thicket]

Also, the very first sinner appearance was likely in the very first dain quest with the upside down Venti Statue

[odd thicket]

I dont think it works that way, by bruteforcing

Vedrfolnir could have taught Surtologi in converse as well

[sly bison]

Doesn’t matter. Surtalogi offered to do the favor just before he left post Cataclysm. We don’t know the other Sinners whereabouts besides Gold atm, who is in some capacity looming over Teyvat as a Shade among other Shades. We just don’t ‘know’.

[odd thicket]

Wasnt it after cataclysm v

?

The curse of immortality hit all of them

[sly bison]

That’s literally what I just said

post Cataclysm

[odd thicket]

Oh mb

A bit dizzy tn

Rn

But it should he Vedrfolnir’s expertise ultimately

Curse of Immortality somehow broken with the powers of Istaorth…

Reversing erosion and safeguarding their history within abyss instead of Leylines

[sly bison]

Besides:

Surtalogi himself is responsible for this ‘refined’ method. All Vedrfolnir was talked about is his prophecies during that same conversation.

[odd thicket]

Need to revisit Vedrfolnir’s dialogues during Caribert

[sly bison]

If anything I’m more amused it wasn’t Gold herself that conjured this

[spark portal]

It's 2+ weeks from the warning already, you don't need the spoiler, also, would this save Capitano or not since he still have the souls inside of him?

[sly bison]

Doesn’t sound too good of an idea given the LoK is also riding on that immortality too

But Thrain is currently in peace now anyways as it is

[odd thicket]

Capitano is boned

If someone can remember capitano, then Thrain can be reborn in Natlan or New Khaenriah

[odd thicket]

Tbh

It can be her too

Under her permissions, Durin was killed off and a new Durin was born

But it was done by giving him a new “story”

[sly bison]

Durin doesn’t die permanently but his predicament isn’t influenced by Ronova’s curse anyways

[odd thicket]

I think surtologi’s version of breaking immortality was by instead creating a new domain/ subspace to hose memories and soul

To preserve properly despite the erosion

[sly bison]

We already have his legend recorded into Natlanese history anyways too. If his homie can come back as a crystallization based on that, so could he potentially. Even more due to the Abyss Sibling’s eventual plans.

But the actual Capitano would still be fused with the LoK

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir’s is an improved method by recreating the person, letting one wither but preserve the story for recreation

Like cloud data ig

No idea how Gold can do it, need to go through the wiki for direct snd indirect gold impact

[odd thicket]

Yes
Capitano fans have to wait two years

But they can get two versions of the same person

Which reminds me

We could get two versions of the same person

This way

[sly bison]

Depends

Cuz 7.x is more than likely gonna have Traveler in mainland Snez. And we have a solid basis for how Khaenri’ah could be accessible for a hypothetical version 8.x.

Worst case they wait 3 whole version years for him to be on the gacha roster

[odd thicket]

I think khaenriah would arrive sooner

Mid 7.x

[sly bison]

Doubt it

But we’ll see

They’re already beginning to change up patterns as it is

[odd thicket]

Theres no challenge left for the Abyss Order

[sly bison]

With Nod Krai alone

[odd thicket]

Siblings remaining bucket list:

1. server host for Khaerniag
2. unit the world vs the HP

Tsaritsa is already doing Step 2

[odd thicket]

Yep

If the earlier story leaks are half true then it resolves a lot more plot than expected

[spark portal]

Ooooh, EXTREME Capitano fans wouldn't like that

[sly bison]

I feel even moderate genshin fans would be peeved (rightfully)

It’d just undo the point of his grind really

[spark portal]

But again, the extreme fans couldn't careless about Natlan (cough FatuiHQ cough)

[odd thicket]

I want someone to adulterate capitano’s history with Ms Hina’s so Thrain comes out as a short male

[sly bison]

Not even Mizuki wants to eat your nightmares

Holy shit

[odd thicket]

They do care about it

Its in their heads 24/7 rent free

They even made a second subreddit to hate on mavuika and natlan

[spark portal]

Sorry, what I meant is the extreme fans who wants Hoyo to revive Capitano, no matter what way would Hoyo uses

[odd thicket]

Calling her Mavui Sur and other slurs

[odd thicket]

True

[spark portal]

What if Hoyo drops a lore nuclear by telling us that Capitano knows that the sinners are going to doom Khaenri'ah, but didn't do anything to stop them? (Sorry if i didn't know that it was implied that Capitano didn't know about the sinners's action)

[sly bison]

Eh that’s just silly

The story already presents one to two ways Capitano can be reintegrated into the story without actually cheapening his prior role. Might as well take it.

The only thing I can relate is that I’d like helmet Capitano best and whatever he looked like as Thrain is prolly gonna be underwhelming. (Unless Hoyo makes a playable skin out of it in which case sure).

[odd thicket]

They did give him a TCG card

[odd thicket]

He doesnt even know Dainsleif iirc

[sly bison]

He does

[odd thicket]

Oh nvm

Hendoes

He does

[odd thicket]

He doesnt know what they were up to

[sly bison]

Or rather knows ‘of’ him

But doesn’t seem like they had a notable relationship

[odd thicket]

Khaenrians were unaware of the full extent sinners and irmin went

Part of his anger vs Celestia is the collective punishment they issued out

While letting the culprits get away scot free

[spark portal]

Even letting one of them arise as a Shade

[odd thicket]

Tru
Must be bloodboiling for any khaenrian

[spark portal]

Give me the sub name, I want to invade them hehehe

[odd thicket]

It was FuckNatlan

I think they deleted it

[odd thicket]

Could this also be ronova's power ?

[dense moss]

Them be cubes

Asmoday is the Ruler of Cubes

[spark portal]

Zhongli.

[lost quail]

Mavuika is nice tbh. I just wish she got angry more

It’s legit hilarious. Katiana made me love her so much

I just wish she was darker and looked more accurate to the culture she’s based on.

Angry Mavuika is funny Mavuika

It seems like nothing pisses her off thst much

[lost quail]

Im headcanoning her with ptsd

[meager ginkgo]

did phanes defeat the soverigns first before creating the shades

[lilac coral]

If Before Sun and Moon is in chronological order with how it's written in the phanes section, then it seems he started battling the sovereigns and then created the shades, then they all fought for 40 years until they won

[odd thicket]

Natlan cast is perfect for a sitcom

[lost quail]

Fr fr

[sly bison]

Hey KC and Jake (or anyone else up to date)

Are you caught up with both Genshin and HSR

Cuz if you are I wanna ask, do you think the space merchants that came after Skirk’s planet were the IPC or a different entity

[reef axle]

Not caught up on either, and deliberately ignoring HSR's plot even as I play it
And praying they don't merge the two

[sly bison]

Is Amorphus taking that much of a toll on you?

[reef axle]

Still haven't left Penacony yet (did the main story, but not the Sparkle bomb thingy)

[lilac coral]

So unfortunately I am not caught up on both either, I was busy last week and this week I'm on vacation and away from my laptop

Idk what space merchants you speak of

I have only just started amphoreus (haven't spoken to aglaea yet) and didn't want to be left on a cliffhanger in the process

[reef sable]

Do you guys know

What is the right option?

To that space and time quest

[queen prawn]

There is no right option, Keep > Abyss Twin give the key
Give > Twin keep the key

[reef sable]

I still don't understand

So the abyss twin

Betrayed khabrwiah

And rhen

Came to see us?

And then what

Rhey made the decision to see us instead of khabrwiah and then ran along w us

Theb what

[queen prawn]

Twin abandoned Khaenriah trying to find us after seeing the key. But we were still sleeping so Twin take us to somewhere else, because of Twin abandonment Khaenriah was destroyed, although it was not really the Twin fault but Twin feel responsible so Twin try to redeem themselves. In Space and Time,Twin will make sure the past doesn't change by giving the key to Direidyth (if you keep it)

[odd thicket]

Leave Teyvat

Remember twin’s memories were wiped

Relearning of thr Traveller’s existence and location was a huge revelation to her

[reef sable]

What
So if twin took us and stuff then why didn't we be with them how come we ended separately

[reef sable]

Yes
Do finally after getting the key and finding us they took us
So why were we not with them then

[queen prawn]

It would be a burden to take someone in a coma with you in an adventure

[reef sable]

So we have been in a coma for 500 years?

[queen prawn]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

Heavenly Principle has different plans

[reef sable]

So that's why they left us in starsnatch cliff?

[odd thicket]

That we dk

We could have been anywhere

[queen prawn]

I don't think so, this was before we fished up Paimon

So we must start off elsewhere

[reef sable]

Wait so...

So then

What does direidyth have to do with all of this

[queen prawn]

I assume Istaroth play trick and lure Twin to go away from Khaenriah by messing with the time and history

[odd thicket]

Shes the bridge between two times

Also this is not time travel

Genshin does not have time travel

[reef sable]

um
So our twin
They pretty much come from the present and do the weaving of Leylines by the loom of fate and creates a Khanreiah in a new realm and from that new realm came someone from 500 years which is direidyth and she crossed over into current times and met us , the teaveller and then we give the key and abyss twin meets us.

??

It feels like some loop

Can't get it clearly 💀

If all this happens in the present and khanreiah realm ans diereidyth is 500 yrs from the past to now , then why is that key with her ?

That key is with her bc we give it to her in the present...?

Then how it connects to the past

[odd thicket]

There is no time travel

Hold on

https://youtu.be/7DZLRHhrvkU?feature=shared

[reef sable]

That's the problem
This creates some form of paradox that I can't understand
If deirydyth gives us the key in the present , then how come the traveller of the past knows??

[odd thicket]

There is no paradox

A paradox cannot exist on teyvat via the heavenly principle’s powers

Or rules

Remember Capitano? Yeah

[reef sable]

But istaroth....

What if they themselves do it

[odd thicket]

They cant

Even Ronova did not dare do it

[reef sable]

They're the God of time

[odd thicket]

They simply cannot do it

[queen prawn]

Let just say Istaroth cut the part when we give the key and do something with it

[reef sable]

If that isn't the case
Then how come twin from past knows about dyreidyth handing the key to traveller in the future
It all becomes one loop of past to present

[odd thicket]

What happened was Dirdyieth’s space and time via leyline memories, briefly met traveller

There was no time travel

[reef sable]

So you're saying , we met her memories and not her?

[odd thicket]

And she met the world’s recorded history of us

Yes

[reef sable]

Then how come we interacted with them and the keys ?

[reef sable]

Hm

[odd thicket]

Irminsul can be used to erase/ create objects and histories

Scaramouche tried to un alive himself from the past but Irminsul would not allow him to and instead created an alternate history for him

Same logic for Rukhadevata and Nahida

There has to be continuity

[reef sable]

I acc am confused now and don't get what happened anymore 😭
So... after we get the key , the twin meets us and tells us that they abandoned khanreiah for them and placed us somewhere and then left to avenge khanreiah
Deirydyth is a result of the loom of fate being used to reconstruct khanreiahn Leylines and we met their memories and not them actually
But that part can also be false bc there's the curse of immo-
Oh...current day Deirydyth is the hilichurl we just saw at the start of the quest???
So this proves we met her memory as a result of khanreiah reconstruction
But then...that means her giving us the key occured in the past? Then what about the twin who met us currently to explain the situation

[odd thicket]

https://youtu.be/7DZLRHhrvkU?feature=shared

Your answers lie here

[reef sable]

Okay

[spark portal]

One of the last videos from Ashikai before Genshin enters its spoonfeeding lore phase lol

[odd thicket]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

but it has to

people are asking who the shades are

[dense moss]

90% of gacha gamers can't read to save their lives, there is no fixing this

and genshin needs to lock the fuck in cause unlike at the start it has a lot of competition

[lilac coral]

It's kind of funny because, in the beginning, not a ton of people cared about the story and background lore and worldbuilding to the game until fontaine rolled around

So now they actually gotta focus on it now that the scope has raised in the community

[odd thicket]

yeah

[odd thicket]

and its own sibling games too

[odd thicket]

the demand has increased noticeably too

with the lore videos they keep pumping out to match the demand

[lilac coral]

Yeah

[sly bison]

I’d reckon more did sooner by Sumeru tbh

Especially since it was the first in-story name drop for things like Descenders and the like

As well as Dragons that ran the place prior to the HP

[lilac coral]

Yeah fair

But that was also the end of sumeru too

So people would've missed literally everything else prior

And then fontaine people were like time to read

[reef sable]

I think the funny part is
Genshin is already losing the competition but I feel the devs or the player base isn't rlly caring much about that or being better
They just want to make the game enjoyable

[reef sable]

And natlan major lore drops like about the keys ans why abyss twin betrayed khanreiah and chose to come to us instead

And surtalogi being dainsleifs peer??

Wow

I did not expect that

[sly bison]

Technically early Sumeru, 3.2 that is

But Yee

[lilac coral]

Honestly, that's mostly all that should matter

They won't be able to please everyone, and as long as the game itself is still enjoyable then who cares if the game isn't like wuwa or any others that people constantly compare it to lol

[reef sable]

Exactly I agree with you
I'm a genshin enjoyer too thsts why I highlighted that
I'm not rlly in favor of the competition
We are missing the point or just stressing ourselves out if that's the case
If we are able to enjoy good lore and trsbelling it's all that matters

[lilac coral]

But adding little qol and stuff like that shouldn't come first if the game is already enjoyable

[lilac coral]

Yeee

[reef sable]

Though the recent archon interlude has messed me up but it's ok

[lilac coral]

I haven't done it yet so idk

All I know is dainsleif is there

And there's a spaceship

[reef sable]

Well....
sorry to say it but there really isn't
There's just lore about it but no actual space ship

[lilac coral]

Oh I know that

I meant there's a spaceship

Like we didn't know the siblings arrived on a spaceship, we thought they arrived just by like... Flying to teyvat on their own power/those wings in the beginning essentially

And then there was that whole thing about the sibling we play as waking up in a meteor

[sly bison]

Depends on what you mean by how they’re ’losing’

Cuz revenue wise they still seem be holding strong to this day

Game quality would be another thing tho

[sly bison]

Interestingly enough, spaceships disguised as meteors or asteroids is also a Honkai Impact thing too

[fickle mulch]

so is the primordial one the same as the heavenly principles?

werent they enemies

[sly bison]

Presumably

[fickle mulch]

wasnt the primordial one and the dragons the same relationship as the heavenly principles and the shades

is the primordial one the one that created everything in teyvat

[lilac coral]

I thought the heavenly principals were the shades?

The primordial one is presumably the one who created the shades, but the primordial one and the shades are the ones who defeated the sovereigns

And I thought the heavenly principles were the shades + po

[patent cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1m0pbvz/it_seems_celestia_has_1_nail_left/

[odd thicket]

We need a Nod Krai bingo

[reef sable]

So in genshin

There are two realms

The light realm and the void realm

The light realm is the elemental powers

The void realm is the abyss powers

And these abyss powers , the vast majority of it is held by the 5 sinners or is it that the abyssal power was divided among the 5 sinners during the cataclysm

[reef axle]

*Three realms
There's the Human Realm, created by the Heavenly Principles. It's distinct from the other two

[reef sable]

Oh?

What powers do the human realm have then

[sly bison]

Taxes

And child labor

[reef axle]

The Light Realm has elemental curennts, Void Realm has "dark currents", and the Human Realm has the Ley Lines.

[reef sable]

Oh

But all realms use leylines

[reef axle]

Only the human realm does

[reef sable]

To use elemental powers u need Leslie's??

Oh

But without leylines

U can't use elemental powers

[reef axle]

Dragons and other elemental creatures do 👀

[lilac coral]

Yes

This is something they explained in an unobtainable quest from a long lost event

[reef axle]

The Ley Lines were created by the Heavenly Principles. The dragons were using elements long before they set up any of that

[reef sable]

Oh

[lilac coral]

There's nowhere else in the game that gives this info though afaik

[reef sable]

So where do modern day humans use elemental powers from? Just visions ?

[lilac coral]

Which is unfortunate

[reef axle]

Elemental power usage comes from the Heavenly Principles stealing the dragons' authority over the elements and giving it to humans via Visions

[lilac coral]

Pretty much

[reef sable]

Oh

[reef axle]

Ley Lines have their own (albeit less defined) power to them

[reef sable]

That's all from the light realm then

[reef axle]

If you've played the Aranara questline, you've seen a little of how the Ley Lines/memories have their own power

[reef axle]

Elemental stuff, yeh

[reef sable]

Ohh

Well

My still question was that

Like if the abyss power of the void realm was divided up among the 5 sinners

Then

How are abyss mages, heralds , abyss order people using the same power

[reef axle]

Dont think it's been defined yet, but could just be the same way humans use the authority from the archons (delegation/granting it).

Going off of the Caribert story, at least some of the Sinners seem more than happy to grant power to people

[reef sable]

So if that's true , then could it be implied that if you work hard in the abyss , they will grant you some abyss power like for abyss mages etc

[reef axle]

That do be how they recruit some people in

[mental flame]

cults do what cults do

[reef sable]

So does it by extension also imply that the abyss order derives their power by the abyss power given by the five sinners

[reef axle]

Maybe. We don't know if the Sinners split authority over the whole Void realm like the dragons with the Light realm elements, or just split some power that came from the Abyss.

Skirk: My master, Surtalogi, is a true expert in that area. After all, he was one of the group of five that infamously stole the all-encompassing power of the Abyss, an act for which the people of Khaenri'ah gave them the epithet "The Five Sinners."

Depends on who they're "stealing" it from here.

It should be said that it's been implied several times that the Abyss may be its own entity/have a conciousness of its own, so it's not impossible that itself may have delegated power to the sinners.

[reef sable]

Ohh..

[reef sable]

It could be also notably mentioned surtalogi was a classmate of dainsleif

[odd thicket]

Weapon skins confirm each sinner has split power such that they mirror their shade

[lilac coral]

Just read the developers discussion thing they post before each patch and this one got me 😭

one-click time skip for quests

I thought it meant a skip button for dialogue like so many people ask for (because they hate reading or whatever)

But it meant you click a button and it fast forwards the time to the correct one for whatever quest you're on so you don't have to open the clock

[queen prawn]

More content for those drama farmer

[sly bison]

Not a fan of skipping tbh

Unless it’s for already read content

[patent cloud]

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[reef axle]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-letthemfight-fight-gif-20293916

[sly bison]

https://fixupx.com/genshinimpact/status/1945332568376607072?s=46

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FixupX · Jul 16, 2025, 4:00 AM

Bennet in Natlan real

[odd thicket]

keeping the yelan skin under lock and key

[sly bison]

😠

[odd thicket]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL8L4_xJZDa

sipsipstefen

I may have just figured out who Phanes is in Genshin Impact #hoyoverse #genshinimpact #genshin #genshinlore #genshintheory #genshinstory

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Lo and behold, our first Zhongli = Phanes theory

[lilac coral]

Never thought I'd see the day

[odd thicket]

can we make a unique thread for Bingo

that we update and reward xp as and when nod krai predictions are proven true or false

[lilac coral]

You could do so in here and I could pin it with every update if you ping me lol

[lost quail]

Am I crazy for thinking Arle can beat huntrix? Crazy right?

[odd thicket]

Aight

Lemme get to making soon

[odd thicket]

Crazy

Huntrix prolly would sing a song to subdue Arle

[lost quail]

She’s not a demon

That only works on demons

[odd thicket]

We dk

The hunters also fell from several kilometres from the sky

All are proficient with a blade

Their music is magical

It prolly should clear Arle somehow

Music on teyvat on some level interacts with leylines and memories

Mediums where Arle is vulnerable

[queen prawn]

Character with power of music when

[lost quail]

I notice when I have these types of conversations with you, you say things that…don’t apply

That’s like saying Mystic flour cookie could clear the entire multiverse when her flour ability onky works on cookies..

[lost quail]

This is like, the only yhing that could help and they wouldn’t even know this fact

[lost quail]

Making her.

[lost quail]

And we do know

That’s..the entire movie

[odd thicket]

Who ?

[odd thicket]

No I meant on arle

[odd thicket]

Yeah

Remuria points to how Music is potent but its been 9 months since playing it

[odd thicket]

Columbina ? Song of the Welkin Moon somehow ?

[odd thicket]

Need to revisit to understand further

So ig this argument can be better framed as Arlecchino vs Phobos at full power

Phobos was powered by a god and angel’s combined prowess in premonition and music

It was able to absorb and corrupt people into joining it

And also manipulate others

Music was capable of leading and materialising and transferring wills of humans between Flesh bodies and stiff marble statuettes

Arlecchino herself somehow subsumes the memories of people whom she slays by her hand and regularly imagines/ materialises them somehow

Maybe she can overcome the cunning and catastrophic music with the power of her balemoon blood drowning it out ?

[lost quail]

I think it’s a crazy take but I said the word crazy first on my end so lol.
If that was the case all we needed to do against Arle was sing to her.

[lost quail]

I guess but that’s entertaining rhe fact that music is her weakness

[odd thicket]

Venti had little combat prowess but was able to drag a soul from across teyvat in a hellish domain with a short ballad/ haiku iirc

[lost quail]

So?

[odd thicket]

No like

Music in general is very strong in Teyvat

[lost quail]

So you’re telling me all we have to do to beat Arle is sing her a tune?

Ok

[odd thicket]

If you were to see Teyvat as a looping dreamscape emulating a theatre play , yeah

[lost quail]

…….

[odd thicket]

A lot of shade’s powers begin making sense

[odd thicket]

Ronova decides who gets to make it into the grand theatre
Istaroth decides their histories

[odd thicket]

A really magical tune, yeah

[lost quail]

You’re.. you’re missing the point I think

If all we needed to do was sing to her some magical song don’t you think we would’ve done that already?

[odd thicket]

How many people has traveller seen or met capable of doing that ?

Fatui are named after an italian theatre trope

After all

[lost quail]

Well if you’re gonna state all someone has to do is sing a powerful somg to disrupt leylines like common knowledge yeah I’m gonna say that

[odd thicket]

Who wish to take over the script writing of the grander play

[odd thicket]

Fair enough

It can be jarring to people still

This lens of perceiving this story

[odd thicket]

In a round about way, Song of the Welkin Moon is a clever title

[lost quail]

Mate..

My point. That I’m making. Is that their power in their universe works on demons. I’m their universe. That’s the power of the hon moon.

The music beats the powers of demons. Arlecchino is not a demon.

Even if they could sing a song to disrupt leylines what somg would that be?

But I mean if that how you feel, that’s how you feel. I just thought to ask cuz my brain decided to be stupid again

Think of it this way. If I had let’s say. The power to draw pictures that are made to subdue demons.

What is that gonna do against someone who isn’t a demon

[odd thicket]

Teyvat has its own laws and assuming Alice or Shades let the Hunters keep their voices they have to figure out some song to touch upon memories which idk if they can do it in time

Arle is still frighteningly fast and prolly paralyses them with crimson moon

[lost quail]

I think they can hold their own. Just not beat her. It would be more crazy to say they can’t do that

[odd thicket]

Some groups like the wandering troupe had to practice music for decades to reach a calibre close to Venti even

[lost quail]

I thought that was just an artifact set I’m so sorry lol

[odd thicket]

They are connected to Vanessa and Mondsdadt lore

They performed at Mare Jivari, and ventured all across teyvat

Died in Mondsdadt during the Aristocrat rule trying to help their Lawrence family member freeing the slaves

[lost quail]

We need pictures of yhem

I wanna know what they looked like

[odd thicket]

Idt they ever had a picture
Their rebellion was stopped before Vanessa began hers

[lost quail]

They rebelled !

?*

[odd thicket]

Maybe upcoming Mare Jivari gives a picture of them

[odd thicket]

Yeah

Mondsdadt had two rebellions

The first failed and the second won

[odd thicket]

Prolly annoy her into ending the fight early

Is the most likely outcome

Imagining a groggy Arle surviving off Caffeine losing her shit

Thinking of other musical powers than Venti and Remus, the Pari and song of khravena, Nod Krai with its Fae and Columbina, Natlan with their Ode of Resurrection, Liyue with Yun Jin

[lost quail]

Hehe

This is so off topic but when I was talking about ppg vs Arle I was like “ppgs might be better at speed then her.”

…I’m not so sure now anymore

[odd thicket]

Ppgs ?

Power puff girls ?

[lost quail]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-shock-black-girl-tiktok-jrpixie-gif-3477717078731753617

Yes

Tho that’s entertaining the fact theyd actually fight

Arle and the ppgs wouldnt fight

She’d prolly babysit

“You remind me of my children…”

“You in particular remind me of my daughter Lynette” points to blossom

[odd thicket]

Arent power puff girls supremely powerful

Like all other cartoons

Going by character they wouldnt fight yes

[odd thicket]

Its the green one ?

[lost quail]

No

The pink one

[lost quail]

Isnt Arle?

That’s why I said it could go either way

Only characters I know Arle can’t beat in other media are Bayonetta, Madoka and Bill cipher

I think captain marvel too? Maybe Scarlet witch. I’ll have to think deep

[odd thicket]

Those are beyond scope of Genshin

[odd thicket]

Nah

[lost quail]

That’s where we end the convo

[odd thicket]

Like arent the PPGs strong enough to fight off whole armies on their own

And continue

[lost quail]

You’re the same person who said huntrix can beat Arle

[odd thicket]

And later rescinded the claim

[lost quail]

They couldn’t beat the rowdy ruff boys on their own until later. And they’re still alive.

If Arle is capable of fighting three people ok her ass at once faster than Mach 10 I’m not sure why you think she can’t go toe to toe with the Powerpuff girls

I literally said it could go either way

[odd thicket]

https://youtube.com/shorts/c7jiFmkSmMw?feature=shared

Can you confirm if these feats are true

For the ppg

[lost quail]

You never watched the show??

[odd thicket]

Faster than light speed ? Travelling to the futute

[odd thicket]

It wasnt on my cable
Only got to watch it uncommonly when visiting others

But as cartoon characters, they all got crazy feats

As a general rule of thumb

[lost quail]

Yeah. Superman can do that.

I even said speed can be their best bet over her. But this bitch is hypersonic too

[odd thicket]

Also
Tanking a solar flare ???

[odd thicket]

No like
Beyond speed
They got crazy strength feats yo

[lost quail]

They also got extreme heat burn so shrugs

The show can be kinda inconsistent if I remember correctly. That’s kinda what I hate most cartoons. Nothing is consistent

[odd thicket]

Still
If you assume their best always
1 ppg prolly soloes all of teyvat

[lost quail]

……you . I gotta stop talking to you/lh

[odd thicket]

[odd thicket]

But powerscaling is boring and instead having arle adopt these three is more entertaining

[lost quail]

Bubbles is not beating half the people in Genshin. She’s definitely not beating a girl who can punch a hole in the sky [mavuika]

[odd thicket]

Or hosting them

[lost quail]

They also got subdued by hair gel by Sedusa. I’m telling you the show picks snd chooses when to give these girls their grace.

And it’s not fair to them

[odd thicket]

So you are putting them at around mini superman level kinda ?

Or at least around scaramouche ?

In that case i agree with your first conclusion

[lost quail]

Yup.

I literally said twice it could go either way.

Like Arle could beat them or the ppgs could beat her. It depends.

I think that’s why cartoons stopped kinda appealing to me when powers are done. Especially when the show is episodic. It picks and chooses when it wants to put the characters at their best and at their worst. The same people go tanked a solar flare are the same people who got extreme sunburn.

The same people who could go to space without a suit are the same people who needed one in space.

It’s irritating.

[odd thicket]

Ignored in the way of entertainment

A lot of powerscaling and consistency comes down to it

[lost quail]

Yeah that’s true

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gosuku-sukugo-sukuna-ryomen-sukuna-satoru-gojo-gif-13773956466470082317

This being one such case

Or this other one

[lost quail]

I’m not sure how someone who can punch through fire the same person who got nerfed by the sun because she didn’t have on sunscreen.

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/chrollo-gif-96817872658540606

[lost quail]

Like that. That pisses me off so bad actually now I’m mad.

[odd thicket]

Me with doraemon forgetting past gadgets

[lost quail]

At least anime and video games are consistent with abilities.

Bubbles was able to beat up monsters off pure rage yet buttercup is still the toughest fighter?

Heres how I think the fight will go. They’ll get a few hits on each other before calling a draw because the damn fight would go no where.

Arle vs the ppg is the definition of a draw.

Plus Arle has fire in her blood she literally says this. I’m pretty sure she has some level of heat endurance. If I had fire in my blood and body I’m pretty sure I can probably deal with some amount of heat. Which is why I’m confused when she says “this kind of weather is best under the shade” and I’m like. HALF OF YOUR BODY IS FIRE WHAT ARE YOU talking about

At least she won’t die of a heat stroke

You’re right dude.. powerscaling is boring

This is boring

[odd thicket]

Concept diff always wins

Like Venti or Any other singer

Or an angel

Etc

[lost quail]

I think yeah they were able to defeat a solar flair but got so sunburnt they spent half the episode moaning and groaning in pains

I’m like “….they never needed sunscreen before ehy the fuck is this a thing.”

Yeah I’m out of the Powerscaling game…you were right from the start this is some stupid shit.

They wouldn’t even fight, like you said

They would have no reason to

Hmmmmmm yeah I can see the trio beating Arle

[lost quail]

Trueeeeee

[odd thicket]

@lilac coral

is this fine or should i make it more specific to be spicy

[lilac coral]

Although the first square has a typo

"Paimon is not directly to any of the shades"

[odd thicket]

oh yeah

mb

[lilac coral]

Otherwise I think it's fine

[odd thicket]

corrected

[lilac coral]

[lilac coral]

Now ping me whenever there's an update and I'll swap em

[queen prawn]

You guys think NodKrai will get nail

[lilac coral]

Idk

They think so

[queen prawn]

If I am going to use Fontaine flood logic then I don't think the map will get destroy

maybe a nail will be dropped but stopped

That big pillar in NodKrai could have some use,like creating a barrier that could stop the nail

[lilac coral]

But then Nod Krai would still get "nailed" as one would've been dropped on Nod Krai, regardless of if it actually destroys anything or not, yeah?

[odd thicket]

Thats my wxpectation too

But nod krai 100% deserves nail for whatever Dottore and Columbina are about to do

[lilac coral]

So did fontaine for what focalors did

[odd thicket]

nah

it didnt mess with the rules of HP that much

[lilac coral]

Giving back all power and authority to one of the sovereigns (albeit a reincarnated one) that they fought so hard to defeat all those years ago feels like it'd be a major nono

[odd thicket]

dottore wants to steal the fake skies

[odd thicket]

still, neuv was not going to dabble in FK or be harmful to PO's project so its fine

[lilac coral]

And also the nails have mostly been used to push back the power of the abyss, so unless the two of them are going to unleash literal hell upon earth

[odd thicket]

hes full disconnected from other dragons that way

[odd thicket]

they practically are gonna

also

not always abyss

natlan was nailed for having holy soil

[lilac coral]

What

Also I did say "mostly"

We still don't 100% know about tsurumi

But natlan was nailed because they had some holy soil?

What holy soil

[odd thicket]

yeah

natlan had holy soil that was rich with phlogiston

which the dragons could have used to prolong the war ig

so PO sent a nail

the whole basin it created is called the unembered flames or something so it gives an idea that it was meant to be really powerful

[lilac coral]

Oh I finally found the dialogue you are talking about

One Who Speaks Coldly: In an earlier eon, the phlogiston-rich soils that sustained Natlan were regarded by the heavenly reaver as a form of so-called "Holy Soil" phenomenon. They cast sky-nails down to destroy the land...

This

I completely forgot about this

I looked up "holy soil" on the wiki and the first several pages talked about watatsumi

But okay yeah

[odd thicket]

Should be different holy souls

Soils

Watatsumi one was Orabashi related iirc

[lilac coral]

It could be? Or it could be referring to something similar
Since the holy soils in watatsumi are what the vishaps live on, which are also dragons adapted for modern life

What I got out of reading the sections from watatsumi out of curiosity and because I forgot about it, the ritual that was done was to help relieve the overpowering strength of the soil that would bleach the land and destroy it if not kept in check

But is important to the vishaps for a reason I already forgot I will not lie

Okay I went back to the page to read

It's that enka is trying to absorb the spirit of watatsumi, which bleaches the land and slowly turns it desolate, so the ritual is meant to counteract that and keep balance and avoid disturbing the vishaps that live below

[spark portal]

First square...

[reef sable]

the five sinners

Are so extreme

In whatever they do

But...I'm interested in them

Which of them do we know the most about ?

[lilac coral]

Rhine I believe

She's the reason things like the rift hounds exist, as well as of course durin, albedo, the dragon skeleton I forgot the name of in fontaine, through albedo we know she was looking for the heart of naberius and discovered recently that she was successful and consumed it, etc

[reef sable]

Ohh ..
So is she the most evil of them ?

[lilac coral]

That may be subjective

Idk what literally any of the others have done

And some have only recently been "revealed"

[reef axle]

Sociopathic (not empathetic about the feelings of others) for sure, evil is debatable.

[lilac coral]

As more than just a name/faction

[reef axle]

She seems to fall more in the "Mad scientist/researcher that doesnt care if people are hurt in her pursuit of her questions" trope than deliberately causing suffering

[reef sable]

Hmm
Surtalogi also seems extrmew to me
Given from skirks quest
How he treats her
and the fact that he didn't want her to live a normal life to the very end bc he wanted her to keep improving so he made her live in fear to keep training 😭 🙏

[reef axle]

He just seems bored tbh

[reef sable]

interesting they are not from this planet

[lilac coral]

I still haven't done skirk's quest

[reef sable]

So it could mean the 5 are ot from tevyat

[reef sable]

Oj shi

Damn

[lilac coral]

You're fine

Don't worry

It's on me for not doing it at this point

[reef axle]

He's from Teyvat, he's just spent a long time outside of it since becoming a sinner

All the Sinners (to our knowledge) are from Khaenriah originally

[reef sable]

Ohhhhhhh

[reef sable]

what is their relation to the abyss order tho

[reef axle]

Chlothar (the Caribert quest NPC we meet) founded the Abyas Order, and he was led to seek the Abyss by one of the Sinners (Vedrfolnir)

Other than that, I dont think we know

[reef sable]

OHH

oh right

[reef axle]

You sure love saying that

[reef sable]

The oh of realization
Cariberts quesr was a fever dream
It was short but deep lol

[reef axle]

I liked the first Caribert quest a lot more than the second Caribert tbh

The 2nd one just pissed me off

[reef sable]

So now we can safely assume Khanreah has been revived except in a different realm

[reef sable]

2nd one is the loom of fate completion one yes

[reef axle]

Nah, that's what they're working on, not what they've done already

[reef sable]

Where his soul gets sacrificed for it

[reef axle]

Yee, the one that literally undid any progress that occured in it

[sly bison]

I’d actually there’s a funky dichotomy even within Surtalogi himself

Despite his cruel methods, his ideology isn’t one centered around “power alone dictates control”

He almost seems like a mitro of what Childe could eventually become

[reef sable]

Well working on , but isn't it like they got to a point where it's successful , given how both realms clashed leading to direidyth meeting us ?

[sly bison]

Looking very forward to when we see more of him (hopefully soon)

[reef sable]

Hmm true
to him it feels more like "fear dictates control"

[sly bison]

I’m more interested in him just from his own philosophy than Gold tbh

And she’s had more riding around her for years

[reef sable]

Damn but he's so....
Awesome tho
He's like a planet ranger going from one planet to another in that transformer ahh suit or idk

[sly bison]

Dude swaps around forms frequently enough that he could be a Nyan Cat rn for all we know

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-cat-rainbow-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5716621

[reef sable]

Also I find it very interesting that surtalogi was the classmate of Dainsleif
Then we can assume Dain is as strong as him?

[reef sable]

OH

True that makes sense

[reef axle]

The Chasm quest shows they're still actively working towards rebuilding the homeland, so it's a work in progress. They've been too focused on revenge against the Heavenly Principles (the Loom of Fate stuff) to work towards it.

(Traveler's Sibling): In focusing single-mindedly on confronting the Heavenly Principles, we neglected our original mission: the revival of the homeland.
(Traveler's Sibling): I should not have been so indecisive.

[sly bison]

Doubftul kinda

Not even Dain seems capable of even busting through the firmament like Surtalogi (unless he can and is unwilling).

[reef axle]

Undoing the curse of immortality is one of the biggest barriers to reviving Khaenriah

[reef sable]

To overcome that barrier only , they reviving it in a different realm
That's why a resident of that realm diereifyth isn't a hilichurl

[sly bison]

Yeah that’s another thing that doesn’t seem talked about enough

Surtalogi even came up with a way to break it himself

Presumably Clothar managed to be freed from it but it’s unknown if it was through the same means atm

[reef axle]

Dainsleif: It appears as if the Abyss Order plans to use this location to cleanse the hilichurls of their curse and restore them to the way they once were... Then, they will serve as the foundation for reviving the nation of Khaenri'ah.
Dainsleif: After all, there can be no nation without a people.

[reef sable]

That makes lot of sense
I'm rlly glad they put in this quest
It really showed us the reason why the abyss twin is fighting for khanreiah
It's prolly bc of the guilt they feel by choosing us and also the fact that they lost their memory and gradually regained it while being in khanreaih that's why , they consider it as their 2nd homeland. I think it's also due to that memory loss part that they don't count rhem alone as a descender

[reef sable]

Mhm they realized it wasn't gonna work and they instead chose a different way
Bring khanreiah of the past to the present by making it in a different timespace
Also this is chasm quest
Way before the loom of fate stuff was known to us

[sly bison]

Surtalogi really said “Teyvat’s power levels mid af. Peace.”

/jk

[reef sable]

My guess is that abyss power nullifies the curse
Like for example we see Haden , dains teacher in the space time quest say
"If it weren't for this power , I would've perished a long time ago"
So I think it may be implied abyss power is able to restrict the curse to some extent

[reef axle]

Key question being "at what cost" though

[reef sable]

Lmao love the way he's simple and op

[reef sable]

Hmm........
maybe losing memories or perhaps emotions

I think it's emotions

[reef axle]

Or the Abyss will getting some control of you

[reef sable]

Abyss power basically makes ur soul pointless

Basically like ur soul is a drop of water

And u put that drop in a river

It's pointless now

U can't find that drop no matter what

Bc it's Part of the river

That's what the abyss does I think

[reef axle]

Collective conciousness as a tempting but bad thing do be a running theme in Genshin

[reef sable]

Yeah
Do u think they got that from Sao s2 alfeim arc ? 😂

[reef sable]

But it does add to the scary factor

No one wants to be part.of something that indifferent

It's scary to think abt

@reef axle I think being part of the abyss is what consumes your soul away

Using abyss power is different imo
We see skirk using it , she's fine

[sly bison]

More like Carl Jung

[reef sable]

Idk who that is ??? Is that a book

[sly bison]

He was a psychotherapist who is essentially a pioneer in analytical psychology.
Influenced things such as art, literature, and religion,etc. with his ideas.

[reef sable]

OHHHH

I see...

[odd thicket]

Nahj

the immortals can wither away in peace

but their stories can be altered to fit inside leylines

a la Guthred

anyways
any theories on how Vedrfolnir broke the curse of immortality

?

[reef axle]

Shenanigans

[sly bison]

I like how we’re still on about the idea of Vedrfolnir breaking the curse despite there even less implications that he’s done so for others at this point