・lore-basement

[median elm]

the hair really

[lilac coral]

You said eyes

[median elm]

i meant when the video zoomed into her eyes

my bad

[lilac coral]

Ah

[hidden pumice]

Paimon's eyes have a starry sky on them

[queen prawn]

Who is Space Shade new master I wonder

[median elm]

naberius -> egeria
istaroth -> venti?

[median elm]

us >:)

[sly bison]

Ye

We have precedents already in those two

[queen prawn]

Also seem like Niberius consent to the merge

[median elm]

or just got used to it after 500 years?

rhinedottir did randomly find the heart in a cave

[stoic spade]

Yeah naberius seem to enjoy seeing rhine struggle with her creations

"i could help you more buuuut this is funnier" kind of vibe

[odd thicket]

You are right

On further pondering

I realised

She can be the PO’s direct, fifth servant

Since PO wanted us here

[queen prawn]

That would be funny

[odd thicket]

Anyway

[median elm]

they did?

i think i read this and forgot about it

[sweet dune]

who's

KK

[hidden pumice]

Kevin kaslana

[sly bison]

Which was that again

[odd thicket]

New position

Assuming paimon is not related to asmoday

[topaz anvil]

shy the fuck they are dropping loreeee

[median elm]

can someone side note tldr the second who came for me real quick

[stoic spade]

We are in the end game lore road since end of natlan, it's only gonna get more lorey from here probably

[sly bison]

Def if they uphold what they promised

Welkin Moon arc is supposed to clear up most loose ends b4 mainland Shneznaya

[median elm]

yo imagine we get alt venti

istaroth unleashed

doesn't it feel like paimon = asmoday is a little too easy of a call

[queen prawn]

Probably

[median elm]

shits never easy with hoyo

[queen prawn]

Who know,,maybe it was paimon checking up on us in the new AQ

[median elm]

hmmm

[sly bison]

It’s like I tell my friends
Genshin’s middle name is red herrings lol

It’s just super easy to say it is bc of the “new master” implication

But they can mean several other things too

New info can always retcon how we understood certain info

[sly bison]

It’s possible that Paimon can also be Asmoday’s indirect eay of keeping tabs even outside of Paimon’s knowledge or consent

Nothing seems to indicate Paimon is that actively aware or certain things unless she’s playing dumb (tho I don’t think she is and that she’s actually out of the loop somewhat herself)

But I’m actually leaning towards Asmoday being the source of Paimon’s abandonment complex by a hunch

Even if she’s not aware of what Shades are

[queen prawn]

Tbh,she always avoid something that could expose her. Also the trailer could be before Ronova met Capitano

[odd thicket]

It is before

[odd thicket]

Or Primordial One

[queen prawn]

Yeah,maybe Ronova noticed Paimon but didn't question her because of the "new master" thing

[sly bison]

Not sure about that

Timing is still vague

How long ago was the Palestar Edict given out ingame?

Cuz if it was recent then it’s post-Natlan stuff

[worldly rain]

Alright might as well post it here too
Based on how simulanka works
Stories are forms of creation
Teyvat might be one
Sustainer creates the space where creation will reside
Niberius gives life to these creation of story
Istaroth gives them "history"
And when these creation defy the gods aka their creator like khanerria renova destroys them

[dense moss]

OK so they just confirmed the shades gotcha

Also time is durandal and space kiana I see you hoyo you ain't slick

[worldly rain]

Leylines becomes the tools to manipulate such history then

[odd thicket]

Its the administrative system essnetislly

And irminsul the cpu

[dense moss]

Idk how to feel about their designs

[queen prawn]

Why don't they just attack The Fatui ngl

I guess they know Traveler existence and know we will do it anyway

[odd thicket]

Dont forget how the shades said they were ‘cast’ into their roles

[sly bison]

For reasons that allow there to be a plot in the first place that they’ll show in at some point

[worldly rain]

Or how it's called teyvat chapter

[queen prawn]

But they definitely knew Traveler existing because of the beginning so they probably know Paimon too

[odd thicket]

Yep !

WAIT
IMAGINARIUM THEATRE WAS FORESHADOWING

[sly bison]

Tho we’ve already known that they have limited control as to how much they’re allowed to interfere in current affairs nowadays

Esp Ronova

[queen prawn]

Because there will be genshin 2 obviously

[dense moss]

There won't be genshin 2 but there will be chapter 1

[sly bison]

Sus

[median elm]

how so

[odd thicket]

we are characters in a story book

putting up a tale

[median elm]

cook

teyvat chapter

cast

COOK

[dense moss]

Ya know

[spark portal]

So the final harbinger was Pierro himself.

[dense moss]

I just realized they say asmoday is gone and then comment how she must like her new master that just makes the paimon is asmoday sus theory revive again

[odd thicket]

always has been

[odd thicket]

it cant be paimon

[queen prawn]

10th fatui

[odd thicket]

too obvious and cheap

[odd thicket]

..10 ?

isnt he harbinger 0

hes a khaenrian royal mage

[queen prawn]

Im joking

[odd thicket]

ah

[queen prawn]

[spark portal]

Huh?

[spark portal]

I thought it was gonna be a mysterious one

[queen prawn]

P= Primodial One
A= Asmoday
I= Istaroth
(Forget the rest)

[odd thicket]

nah

hes their director afterall

[queen prawn]

[odd thicket]

cool, now show the names in mandarin

[queen prawn]

[sly bison]

It can be Paimon

[odd thicket]

you shot it down earlier

[sly bison]

If we’re overestimating Hoyo at being predictable

[odd thicket]

and besides

[sly bison]

[odd thicket]

lets assume Asmoday left for another unknown master

[sly bison]

No. I just wagered it’s not the only possible explanation.

🍵

[odd thicket]

PO wants us in teyvat to do whatever they wanted

paimon keeps us bound to teyvat

and Sustainer was spying on us in Istaroth's time freeze

for her master

[sly bison]

Her master

Is the one and only gigachad

Surtalogiiii

[queen prawn]

He gonna die

[dense moss]

It can

[odd thicket]

would that happen though

surtologi's fate is bound to teyvat and set to die by skirk's blade

[sly bison]

Superconduct

Do you follow HSR

[odd thicket]

no

[sly bison]

DMAN

Forget it then

[odd thicket]

anyways

do your cooking for others here

[queen prawn]

[sly bison]

Only if KoGi’s paying the bill

[queen prawn]

No

[odd thicket]

Same crossed eyes

[deep lynx]

The shades serve the demiurge, Asmoday is now serving the monad

Surely

[odd thicket]

Monad is false god ?

[deep lynx]

I would assume the true god

Roles got flipped, Demiurge conviniced everyone their side is the righteous one, and yadda yadda

[sweet dune]

less crossed eyes and more mask no? i figured the entire thing is a mask

[deep lynx]

As if you break down some of the dialogue in the new video, It's clear the shades, and to a further extent, their master, benefit from keeping humanity within the material realm, never ascending and or rejoining God. Which.. wouldn't make any sense, and in my opinion, points to their master being the demiurge of the story. Whilst Asmodays is said to be serving the "other side", and her new master, is some she is capable of loving more than herself. And to me, that more so reads like her new master is actually the Monad/true god.

Moreover, I feel this answers some questions the community has had for a bit, for instance why is the abyss sibling part of teyvat, but the traveler isn't... well.. what if asmoday was protecting the traveler?

Also kinda explains paimon

She could very well just be a creation of asmoday, sent down to keep the traveler safe whilst they journey on through teyvat

[odd thicket]

Yes, but even the faux eye on the mask has a cross like Peruere ‘s

[queen prawn]

He is probably from Esclipe dynasty

[queen prawn]

if they suspect she follow her new master,there is no way they don’t know who that is.

And it also make it that Paimon design isn’t visible to everyone else

[deep lynx]

I think they do know, just dont care to really intervene at this point in time

[odd thicket]

All of them were

Except crimson moon

What is up with those people

Saw a loremaster who doesnt visit here but only in #・tc-lounge say that arlechino could be the result of all crimson moon dynasty members combined

[stoic spade]

damn the voices must be hell

[odd thicket]

But paimon is supposed to serve HP
No ?

[queen prawn]

This is why I stay here

[odd thicket]

Same with columbina

Being the result of all Frostmoon dynasty deceased souls combining into one

[odd thicket]

Why

[queen prawn]

I mean in this chnnale

[deep lynx]

Depends on what or who you are referring to HP as

[odd thicket]

I dont get the reason

[odd thicket]

Phanes

[queen prawn]

Because I only ever chat in copium,spoiler and lore channel lol

Idk everyone else in another channel

[deep lynx]

So I assume we are talking about the master of the shades then?

Sorry

I have a whole issue with the name phanes and how hoyo used it 😭

[queen prawn]

HP is sleeping so Asmoday changing side isn’t crazy

[deep lynx]

Well, regardless, I do not recall a time in which paimon is said to be serving the HP

[queen prawn]

Also Niberius just let a sinner take her place

[deep lynx]

So, given the whole, similarities in looks, the fact she can pop in and out of space, and the fact she magically found herself in the sea, right infront of the traveler... I would believe if she had a master/creator, the only person it can really be is asmoday

[naive olive]

So the current theory running around in certain circles is that Phainon is what's left of Phanes after creating the 4 Shades.

*Paimon

[deep lynx]

That is also possible

Forgor

[queen prawn]

Paimon always want to eat,maybe she will devour Traveler and get stronger again

[deep lynx]

Had a whole theory about paimon fusing with the gnoses to return to godhood

[odd thicket]

Yes

[naive olive]

Interesting note is that in most languages the artifact goblet's name is the goblet of space.

[queen prawn]

We need to see what happens if Traveler and Paimon touch the gnosis atleast once

[naive olive]

So the 5 arefacts are the flower of life, feather of death, sands of time, goblet of space, and circlet of wisdom.

[queen prawn]

Traveler can sometimes see the memories of someone by touching or holding ,Im not surprised if the same goes for gnosis

[naive olive]

And Paimon has a circlet.

[deep lynx]

But, equally, if paimon was the HP, why would the shades refer to her as being in a slumber?

[queen prawn]

And she is a guide too

[odd thicket]

she can be a guide

[deep lynx]

Paimon is asmodays master

[odd thicket]

a seelie

[deep lynx]

Real

[odd thicket]

sorry

paimon can be a seelie

all seelie had an elemental crown

[odd thicket]

she does take us through teyvat in a reverse order of what the sibling did

keeps us away from harm

teaches us each new element's skills

[naive olive]

Ye but I feel like the invocation of the 6th (in this case 5th) ranger trope here is quite deliberate.

[odd thicket]

wdym

[odd thicket]

nibelung lore drop

[naive olive]

The 4 shades match perfectly with 4 of the 5 pieces of an artifact set.

[queen prawn]

But not how to use it properly

[deep lynx]

Has a lot of knowledge of modern teyvat, without really being around teyvat enough to know what she does, which may point to her being an emanation of asmoday perhaps?

[queen prawn]

Or maybe we are just lazy to train

[naive olive]

Asmoday is space tho?

[deep lynx]

Well, asmoday is one of the four

[odd thicket]

HMC is good wdym

[odd thicket]

that is true

[queen prawn]

After Skirk SQ

[deep lynx]

I assume they all share the same knowledge, given they all emanate from the same source

[odd thicket]

that is true...

but so can PO bestow that to her

[odd thicket]

HMC is the fourth best hydro 5* sword user

[queen prawn]

[odd thicket]

5th best hydro sword user

[deep lynx]

Also, asmoday is space, aka the material, im sure even if paimon only got knowledge from strictly asmodays abilities, you can still gather info relatively easily

[odd thicket]

yes\

[odd thicket]

not wholly

some can hide it

[deep lynx]

True

But why hide like.. basic political happenings or info about the world

[naive olive]

Isn't it weird that literally all the artefacts are actually quite unique when you think about it?

[odd thicket]

split loyalties and goals

[naive olive]

Flower only gives hp as main, feather only has atk, goblet is the only one that can give elemental damage %, sands is kind of the most restrictive in terms of possible main stats, and circlets are the only ones that give crit stats.

[odd thicket]

another thing i picked up from the trailer: Celestia is beyond the firmament

[naive olive]

Wait, sands are the only piece with ER as a possible main stat

[queen prawn]

No

IWait

[deep lynx]

Oh yeah, another thing that kinda adds fuel to my theory, celestia is a prison, whilst the abyss is something which subsumes you..

[queen prawn]

I kinda forgot ngl

[odd thicket]

yes

[naive olive]

And the circlet is also the only piece that can give healing bonus.

[odd thicket]

Rhinedottir remembers Pierro and thinks less of him

[naive olive]

All 3 of the variable main stat pieces can do hp%, atk%, def%, EM.

[odd thicket]

yhes

[naive olive]

But only sands give ER, only goblet gives element (and phys) dmg bonus, and only the circlet gives crit or healing bonus.

I feel like this arrangement is supposed to be important somehow but I can't quite put a finger on it just yet.

[deep lynx]

Goblets gives element since elements are a material thing, sands gives er because without time, elements could not interact/react

Real

[naive olive]

Something about only the circlet can bring you to new heights whether in protecting (Healing bonus) or destroying (Crit)???

[odd thicket]

it can give everything except dmg bonus and er

but only crit

ig the unique trait of each artefact boils down to
Flower - HP
Feather - ATK
Sands. - ER
Goblet - DMG bonus
Circlet - Crit or HB%

and EM is shared between all

[naive olive]

I just remembered something.

So what's the deal with Columbina?

[odd thicket]

also, it seems that Naberius is the most loyal of all the shades

as previously thought

shade of life is the only one willing to stop the Fatui
so Rhinedottir is in fact holding her back huh

[odd thicket]

she has something to do with the frostmoon scions

and is allegedly the moon goddess

[stoic spade]

were there ever any text about moon people? like people living on the moons?

[kindred epoch]

Sorta

It was called the Lunar palace

[odd thicket]

1.0 seelie and moon sister lore

[stoic spade]

thank you, I guess if columbina ||really becomes the new moon god, her connection to seele theories would be stronger||

[hidden pumice]

Won't it be too obvious for paimon to be asmoday?

[hidden pumice]

Assuming that this isn't just a gameplay thing
Paimon can stop us from going to unavailable areas while asmoday controls space

[queen prawn]

Well if hoyo decided to keep paimon leaked identity true then she isn't Asmoday

[hidden pumice]

Paimon has stuff from both asmoday and ishtaroth

[odd timber]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sweet dune]

?

[queen prawn]

||fragment of Primordial One||

[sweet dune]

|| OMFG IM RIGHT???||

[queen prawn]

|| but then again,it could also mean a Shade, because A shade is the "shadow of HP",so calling her fragment isn't far off?||

[sweet dune]

|| my theory is her as fragment / horcrux type being with barely any power oajfnrfjkd ||

[spark portal]

Just finished watching the Nod-Krai trailer.

WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. THAT.

Can the shades break the 4th wall? Where is Asmoday??? That shit girl immediately disappears right after separating the travelers sibling

Also, is fucking Columbina betraying? What do they mean by "retriving the Damselette"???

[mental flame]

damn, I need to start investing and growing Paimon

to awaken her Paimonial powers 🔥

[queen prawn]

No it is for funni

[spark portal]

Also again, we got two girls with two personalities at the same period for two different Hoyo games, dang

[queen prawn]

6 years and she hasn't grown

[spark portal]

Orphie and Magus, Rhinedottir and Naberius

[spark portal]

Huh?

[queen prawn]

4th wall breaking is usually just for laugh and spook

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-bloodborne-gif-13663686

[spark portal]

Also, somebody mentioned that during the military roundabout scene, there was an HI 3rd sound effects being used

[queen prawn]

People overthinking again

[spark portal]

I think Hoyo are fully taking back what they say about Genshin being not connected to any Honkai universe

[spark portal]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jvXVmvW8ZQw&lc=UgyhIERBkS58D0RgExR4AaABAg&feature=shared

[queen prawn]

I don't see how reusing sound effect have any significant meaning

[spark portal]

You have to click the link to see the comment

[queen prawn]

In the context,it is the sound of mechanical door open and close

[spark portal]

Isn't it funny that the video dropped on the same date as Kaveh's birthday and the video shows the buildings on Nod-Krai?

[queen prawn]

Oh

Didn't know it was his day

[spark portal]

Like, if Kaveh saw Nod-Krai, he would be impressed

[mental flame]

she needs more food trust

and a seasoning of celestial powers

[spark portal]

If Natlan was Hoyo's playground, then Nod-Krai (and could be Snezhnaya) would be their fan letter to the players, THEN Khaenri'ah would be their love letter to the players

Ok, how the fuck did Rhinedottir ascends to be a Shade even though she came from Khaenri'ah?

G0lden

[hidden pumice]

https://fxtwitter.com/rhineberius/status/1942865718237917478

Someone already said about rhinedottir eating other gods and not just one

[stoic spade]

okay so I checked and Venti and Istaroth have the same VA in all languages, I don't know if that stands for a confirmation of venti=istaroth but I'll take it

[spark portal]

https://x.com/World1mpact/status/1942806195489652793?t=LXo9Ue1oj2ZukeGEwnmyeg&s=19

WorldImpact (@World1mpact)

I see...

#GenshinImpact #Ronova #原神

X · Jul 9, 2025, 4:41 AM

[spark portal]

Explain this theory connection.

[odd thicket]

No theory connection

Its obvious lmao

We have known for this for like 3 years now

[spark portal]

Ok, I haven't been THAT connected to the lore, explain please

[stoic spade]

"only through eternity are you closest to the heavenly principles"
Or as Skirk says
"Youngster can't help but imitate their masters" /slap

[odd thicket]

All archons have a patron shade

[spark portal]

"An attempt to appease Death to gain Eternity" someone mentioned it on the comments

Mavu?

Furina?

[odd thicket]

Idk if that quote is real

[queen prawn]

She just join them after become part of Naberius

[odd thicket]

But applies to mavu

[odd thicket]

Scammer stealing login creds

[spark portal]

Venti = Istaroth
Ei = Ronova
What about Zhongli? Nahida?

[stoic spade]

some people say Ei offers visions to Ronova in hope she doesn't plague her land of eternity

[spark portal]

Essentially making her own people immortal...?

[queen prawn]

No

[stoic spade]

well she changed since we kicked her ass so idk

[spark portal]

Can anyone answer this?

[queen prawn]

They are still mortal,but the land they're in won't be destroyed

[odd thicket]

Zhongli has Asmoday
Nahida is either Shade of Life or Ronova

Tsaritsa would have had Shade of Time

Imo

[spark portal]

Furi? Mavu?

[odd thicket]

Furi and Mavu are obvious
Shades of Life and Death

[queen prawn]

||with all the leak surrounding NodKrai,it is pretty much given||

[spark portal]

What happened in the background when Natlan happened???

[odd thicket]

Either betrayal or she is almost child like

But dangerous

[spark portal]

Shades of life is ...?

[odd thicket]

Naberius

[stoic spade]

nabe

who rhine ate

[spark portal]

Ah, is Rhinedottir the same Shade as Nabe or is she a new Shade?

[stoic spade]

she's a sinner who ate a shade so I guess she's like.. an half shade

or something

[odd thicket]

She ate Naberius’s heart and became Shade of Life

[spark portal]

Asmoday is what Shade?

[queen prawn]

Space

[odd thicket]

Space

[stoic spade]

space

Alice takes care of the borders so I guess it's not exactly space related

[odd thicket]

So i got mavuika
Her idle voice line talks about how the gods need to be more perspective of humanity rather than he holed up in celestia

[queen prawn]

Seem like Hexenzirkel is connected to Celestia in some way heh

[spark portal]

And the Heavenly Principles don't know that one of the Shade is half-ly from Khaenri'ah, ohhh boy.

[odd thicket]

Rhinedottir infiltrating board of admissions to give free tuition to albedo and durin

[queen prawn]

They know

[odd thicket]

He is just eepy

[stoic spade]

I guess, in the trailer Ronova seemed to imply they're only 4 shades or at least they remain only 4, so I guess sinners/hex take care of some other roles for Teyvat

[queen prawn]

HP would remember Naberius old design

[spark portal]

This could be chaotic if HP wakes up and really knows about it

[spark portal]

HP is sleeping yk

[odd thicket]

Archons are smol versions of shade confirmed with this

[queen prawn]

Lol

[odd thicket]

She does resemble rukhadevata a bit

[stoic spade]

am i a denier if I still think HP is dead and nobody knows it yet

[spark portal]

Not even the Shades knows???

[odd thicket]

If HP is dead the world’s rules wont apply anymore

They would all rush to traveller and beg him

[stoic spade]

So the rules need HP alive to apply?

[odd thicket]

Yes

Or at least half alive

One of the moons is not truly dead yet

[queen prawn]

It is like rule only exist because the government made them

[stoic spade]

Seeing how Alice takes care of the borders of Teyvat I was thinking maybe everyone is doing their job and Hp missing wouldn't be a problem

[spark portal]

I think the breaking 3rd (or slightly 4th) wall thingy could be a really serious trope to be used here

[queen prawn]

What if HP is sleeping in that moon

[spark portal]

Alice knows what "idol" is, I think she also mentions some sort of a river irl as well

[queen prawn]

It would but then they have to balance the power scaling somehow

[spark portal]

It's fucking Kiana lol

[odd thicket]

Skirk missed death narrowly

[stoic spade]

Surtalogi not going for HP throat when they're on moon vacation is suspicious

[spark portal]

Some people said that Nod-Krai was too much for them, when in reality, we're going on a memory trip back to 1.X-2.X for the Shades theories lol

[stoic spade]

it's all coming back together

[odd thicket]

yeh

[stoic spade]

perhaps, the famous venti SQ 2 will even become true

[odd thicket]

nod krai is to relieve the storytelling knot they have accumulated over the years

[odd thicket]

https://youtu.be/iqTlivpzkts?feature=shared

[odd thicket]

So this whole trailer happened after

5.7

[hidden pumice]

Pierro can see them even in whatever alternate dimension they exist in

[odd thicket]

They exist outside the firmament

[inland saddle]

the lore nuke

besides the obvious thing about the design of the shades finally being revealed, Sustainer's name being Asmoday finally becoming official info, and her being confirmed to be the shade of space so that isn't theory territory anymore, I'm really curious on why Columbina is in Nod Krai and why they're handling her like an scp that broke out of containment

[lilac coral]

Yeee!!!

And hopefully it's because she is an SCP that breached containment

Just like in the GC, we're hoping they have some cosmic horror aspects added with columbina

It'd be wicked and they've already kind of dipped their toes into it with ronova's first physical reveal in the game in natlan

[odd thicket]

Columbina is related to the Frostmoon the same way Arlecchino is related to the crimson moon

but their selves are very different

it is implied she is held hostage by the Frostmoon or she defected to them

[spark portal]

You guys remembered the Columbina Analog Horror? I think the creator got some insight of what happened in Nod-Krai or maybe accidentally predicted the rogue of Columbina

[lilac coral]

columbina analog horror?

are you talking about the 5 second scene from one of the hoyofair animation that made her float in front of/become a bibically accurate angel with tons of eyes and wings and stuff?

[spark portal]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/cf80lpl9AyU?feature=shared

[lilac coral]

i feel like that was a very popular theory at the time after she was released, since i remember people saying she looked like she'd be a seelie or some type of angel from her first appearance in winter's night lazzo

and not so much just them being told "hey this is what she is and what happens, roll with it" lol

[lilac coral]

oh i never actually watched this one

i was talking about a different one from i think 2023's

[spark portal]

Watch it, it's crazily done well

[lilac coral]

i kinda just skipped 5 seconds at a time through the whole thing until i found the columbina you were talking about 😭

[spark portal]

Although the technology in the video was very advanced, how can a video from a camera stuck in a void be retrieved back to the main world?

[lilac coral]

i meant the animation that had this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/X-BfSfumDXg/oar2.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEiCIcFENAFSFqQAgHyq4qpAxEIARUAAAAAJQAAyEI9AICiQw==&rs=AOn4CLAuNUtBUMjCpOrCIBLI4cl8UkxM4A

but that version in the backrooms one looks cool too

shit nevermind it was the 2022 one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VD7rcbDk10

also i think i just figured out where nod krai is going to be placed on the map

you can see the desert from here, and the angle is coming from between natlan and fontain i believe?

actually unless they mirror the direction for whatever reason, it's coming from the other side

and they made the conscious decision to leave out the tree

wait no i'm stupid nevermind idk why i thought it was flipped FJDTHRSEG

wait unless

yeah i think they're going to place it north of natlan and west of fontaine/sumeru, the mountains kind of line up really well and there's landmasses in that direction

that and on the left looks like the style of mountains found in fontaine

for a while, ever since it was mentioned as an area, i thought it was going to be north of mondastadt with an expansion to it 😭

but this works too

there's also another view of what i think is the desert a few backgrounds later but it's way less defined

[odd thicket]

she is definitely a Fae

or something of that sort

[lilac coral]

or something to that effect, yeah

[odd thicket]

nod krai is to the north of och kan natlan yes

[lilac coral]

was that mentioned previously? i've barely paid attention to stuff recently since i've been busy with work

i just thought it was cool i could see the desert in the background and wanted to figure out which side it was going to be on

[odd thicket]

yeah
and you can also see nod krai from tonatiuh if you travel north

[lilac coral]

like glide north or if you look north?

[odd thicket]

fly north

you can fly forever pretty much with chasca and mavuika

so long as you are in natlan that is

[lilac coral]

i mean

there's also the bird saurian you can transform into

i don't have either of those, just the bird

oh yeah, there we go lol

thanks

[odd thicket]

it doesnt have nightsoul transmission

@patent cloud
Do you mind showing Nod krai from tonatiuh, with Chasca and Mavuika

[lilac coral]

wdym

that's what the red bar above the health bar is, isn't it?

[odd thicket]

he is the Exploration tc

[lilac coral]

and each saurian has a side bar for the same reason

[odd thicket]

no
two natlan characters can chain their skills

[lilac coral]

it's the natlan energy to fly faster lol

ah

[lilac coral]

i don't really care for that, especially when the bird is free

[odd thicket]

ty

there you see the nod krai circle of mountains with the lake and island in the middle

[lilac coral]

gotcha

thank you

since this is the screenshot i got of it

[patent cloud]

Here's one with fewer atmospheric effects.

[lilac coral]

thank you eron

[patent cloud]

No problem.

[odd thicket]

just 2 more months when it is finally given the rendering...

it looks enticing already

or maybe its just content drought

[patent cloud]

Soon

[lilac coral]

probalby the latter

but definitely waiting on mare jivari first

i imagine it won't be quite this close to the southwesternmost island in natlan

but maybe they'll pull an inazuma and move it further away and just have the islands there as placeholder scenery

since inazuma was moved like 1000m further away when it released, instead of like 100m off shore of liyue

[patent cloud]

Might be these two islands?

[lilac coral]

yeah, those are the ones i screenshotted, i just sent the one showing what island i meant next to them lol

[patent cloud]

Mhm.

[lilac coral]

it just feels weird to have them so close to it

so i'm hoping it's those, but pushed back a little when it's released

especially if there's supposed to be a "mountain sized monster" lurking on it

[patent cloud]

I'll be doing exploration flights to Nod Krai from Natlan using the phlogiston border.

I've done it towards Sumeru already and it works well to get very high up overviews.

[lilac coral]

👍

good luck with that, man

[patent cloud]

Thanks.

Oh also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UyHIN91NnI

This is probably not just illusion magic or some weak stuff.

And Venti is probably not very weak huh...

[odd thicket]

venti can see the past present and future

being a shard or fart from istaroth

[lilac coral]

he's definitely more of a fart from istaroth

but yeah, many think he's holding back on his power

all part of some "act" of innocence

[patent cloud]

If I was able to perceive time itself, and even influence it to an extent, I'd also want to hide that.

Seems like the kind of thing others might want to utilize.

[lilac coral]

yeah

[spark portal]

So there is one person in X venting about the game could be more MORE male-oriented in the future while quoting the 4 Shades...

who happens to be known as woman for the longest time being.

[mental flame]

the laidback attitude on everything that comes to happen also was the big clue for it

[lilac coral]

i mean, it's genshin

they haven't had a male archon since the game launched

and each region usually gets, at most, like 3 guys lol

and then like 9 women

it was kind of to be expected

[odd thicket]

husbando fans should be glad we are getting 300% more male 5* in nod krai

[lilac coral]

we are?

[spark portal]

That one has been known through the travail, Dain uses "she" after Zhongli

[sly bison]

Istaroth

More like Fist of the Backwind

[sly bison]

Fun fact: the Tsaritsa’s predecessor was also male

Dodged a male bullet again

[lilac coral]

idk what you mean, i just looked the travail back up again and he doesn't say she for the liyue chapter

are you talking about some other travail?

[sly bison]

Leaks ||the first new 6.0 5* is presumably gonna be male, and is Electro charged geared||

[lilac coral]

ah

[spark portal]

After the Liyue Chapter is what I meant by after Zhongli

[lilac coral]

that's cool

[spark portal]

I thought my message was understandable

[sly bison]

Besides that we’re also gonna be introduced to Varka very easily on according to the devs so he’s a strong contender too

Then you have ||New Durin||

[lilac coral]

nope, still no she in the inazuma one

may i ask about a clarification

when you say travail

you mean this video, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAlKhARUcoY

[lilac coral]

true

and then those will be the only 3

and then 14 more girls

as the patterns hold

[spark portal]

Yes

[lilac coral]

like every new region reveals their male characters and we always seem to get a max of 2-3 tall ones and like 3 short ones

[spark portal]

But... ykw, i'm also confused lol

[sly bison]

Honestly more than passable

We didn’t get any new 5* male besides Kinich throoughout 5.x that it’s crazy 😭

At least 3.x and 4.x were consistent in their pace of male releases

[lilac coral]

yeah, kinich being the only 5* was kind of sad

but at least he wasn't the only male character

[spark portal]

People were saying that archons's gender were revealed at the Travail

[lilac coral]

and sumeru is the newest region so less characters anyway

i mean natlan

not sumeru

fuck

[sly bison]

3.x: Cyno, Alhaitham Wanderer, Baizhu
4.x: Noobilet, Rizzly, Lyney

[spark portal]

Well, that's what I saw/remembered a while ago

[lilac coral]

no worries

the travail barely gives anything

it more or less just gives an idea of each region's problem

but like... the vaguest idea

[sly bison]

As for HSR we only got like 4 standout men and like 26 women on the horizon

And they’re all limited 5*s except Archer who’s a collab character

😭

[lilac coral]

yeah LOL

[spark portal]

Nod-Krai being a surprise region lol

[lilac coral]

yeah

it's taking over the 6.x slots i assume

so snezhnaya is no longer 6.x

unless they combine the two

and after nod krai is done at 6.7 or 6.8 or whatever, snezhnaya is at 6.9

[sly bison]

Surprise sub region of Snez

Were likely not getting full mainlaind Snez since there gonna spend wlelking moon revisiting unchecked areas to fill up some gaps

[spark portal]

Yk, I think that more male getting 4* role is sufficient

[lilac coral]

but that'd just be confusing on its own, outside of the fact that nod krai has been noted as being an entirely separate pseudo-nation from snezhnaya iirc

[sly bison]

Ifa and Ororon are nice at least

I especially

[spark portal]

More male and more 4* roles that can help balance the spending of the players

[sly bison]

like Ifa

[lilac coral]

yeah

idm 4* characters

[sly bison]

[lilac coral]

they at least have a chance of popping up on any banner after

and the standard banner

or even future events as an invite character

[sly bison]

Ifa is so handsome…

He exceeded my expectations quite a bit

[lilac coral]

vs having to wait who knows how long for their next banner ||cough * shenhe 2 years * cough||

[spark portal]

But... maybe 4* women should be done more

[spark portal]

On top of that, he's tanned! Well, at least Hoyo is not THAT racist

[lilac coral]

lol

[sly bison]

Mfw Shenhe’s ass was pulled out of the Chronicled Wish pool and into a limited banner again bc of Skirk

[spark portal]

To balance the spending of male players

[lilac coral]

it's cool to see more tan characters, it always frustrated me when people would complain that they aren't "tan enough" and ignore the fact that every pale-skinned character is whiter than most white people on planet earth 😭

[lilac coral]

yeah LOL

[sly bison]

Also Archer

But tbh I think HSR Archer looks a bit weird lol

[lilac coral]

i thought he sounded weird to be honest, but i didn't realize they were using his official english va for the collab and that's just how he sounds which is cool

looking weird idk

he looks normal to me

[spark portal]

If they want to complain about one region, they should be complaining about Liyue, Chinese's natural skin color is yellowish right?

[lilac coral]

it's a mix depending on where you live

from what i understand

some people have way darker skin while others have way lighter depending on if they're in a region with a lot of sun or less

just like anywhere else on planet earth

[sly bison]

Skin tone is one thing but man I wish they could get a bit bolder with hairstyles

Imagine how badass it’d be if we had a character with dreadlocks

Or guys with slicked back hair more often

[spark portal]

English VA... isn't the collab supposed to be JP VA only, since both Saber and Archer VA recognized Taiwan and doesn't want work with a chinese company?

[sly bison]

Yep

[spark portal]

Like Diluc's skin?

[lilac coral]

me staring at the dark skinned enemies with dreadlocks from the desert in sumeru

[sly bison]

And Saber’s VA is Union and will not work in Non Union projects

[lilac coral]

they looked so cool

[sly bison]

NPCs in Natlan too

[lilac coral]

it sounded like the official va when i listened to it? unless i was just listening to something else

[sly bison]

Esp in Iansan’s tribe

[lilac coral]

or they did a REALLY good impression

[sly bison]

Ngl I bet Xilonen would look nice in them too

[lilac coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFrepsHwiw

hsr uses the full chant too apparently

[spark portal]

Well, that GR1 really messes up a whole lot of jobs for a union VA

[lilac coral]

while the show uses a shortened version

[sly bison]

But it’s prolly not that ‘marketable’ to CN audiences

[odd thicket]

They have not designed npcs better than eremites since then

[sly bison]

Nah

They def have

What are you in about

4.x NPCs were swell

And 5.x gave us a literal dragon snek dude

[lilac coral]

i still can't get over the tribe leader that looks like a glitch because he's so tall

[lilac coral]

seeing a physical model for him was really fascinating

[sly bison]

I still can’t get over how the Flower Feather tribe leader is an NPC

[odd thicket]

Nah m8

[lilac coral]

like i never expected them to just make an npc model for a whole ass dragon who doesn't do anything

[odd thicket]

They peaked with the elite eremites

[odd thicket]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Okay it is good but Eremites still slay more

[sly bison]

Yes m8

If ur gonna argue that for enemy NPCs as a whole, I won’t fight you.

But I ain’t gonna sit by and listen to Fujin, Lingyuan, or Kukulkan slander

Kukulkan alone washes everyone that came before him

[spark portal]

Will telling the story directly to our face during 6.X would satisfies people who criticizing about the storytelling?

[odd thicket]

Novelty does not mean good design tho

Not saying he is nad

Bad

But i do not see a wow factor

Fujin is good

And well

Khaenrian npcs are designed well too

[odd thicket]

No

They will bitch and whine about how the story they ignored so far is jarring for them

[sly bison]

Kukulkan has both novelty and good design

It’s the first time we see an actual citizen dragon of his own time and his whole fit reflects the kind of long gone yet advanced era he hailed from.

We had a taste of this already with Rumeria

But Kukulkan takes it a step further

[spark portal]

Some people have been saying that the narratives for genshin has been abyssmal because the lore was telled through unvoiced WQs and artifacts story text

[sly bison]

No. Plenty of 2026 folks onwards will dip in attention spans harder and call it out as more needless yapping (which it still could be tbf).

My concern tho is how they plan to get more playables involved with side quests tho

[odd thicket]

Fair enough

I see your point now

[sly bison]

Bc ngl dudes

A common critique is that a lot of playables don’t get involved with ‘riskier’ story beats

[spark portal]

Sadly, Natlan's strong point in lore was taught through unvoiced world quests and some characters story in the characters menu

[sly bison]

If we have playables involved more in these stories

Will they also drag them down and play it too safe?

I’m not asking for “And Then There Were None” level plot twists or anything

But I want character progression to be retained in some form through these quests

[spark portal]

By play it too safe, you mean that playables are be so centered that the story outside of them will be ignored?

[sly bison]

No lasting consequences (not even bad ones either)

But stuff regarding playables tends to feel even more ‘contained’

Xiao is one of the few characters where this ain’t the case

In terms of having natural progression bc of what came before

(Not including archons mind you)

[spark portal]

Ahh, you mean that the playables wouldn't have any consequences after the quest was done?

[sly bison]

In a way yeah

For example

Imagine if Dehya was a side character in the desert world quests

I don’t want her to just be standing there

But to actually meaningfully contribute too

That kinda of immersion

[spark portal]

Can you give me some example of characters where this is the case? I think I will understand it more

[sly bison]

Wanderer and Furina

Now mind you

[spark portal]

Ok, explain about them (sorry for asking a lot)

[sly bison]

I know it’s not reasonable to expect this out of EVERY character

Cuz not every character is meant to be fleshed out that much, much less in a multi-character collecting gacha.

But when you look at these three characters from where they started the first time you saw them

And you see what they are now, they’re just not 1:1 anymore bc of the above factors

If genshin wants to add more playables be a part of the overworld more often im all for it

But when it comes to the more relevant characters in expected to care about

Go ‘wild’

Make it so when I look back at these characters I feel like I’m looking at a ‘journey’ they went through too

[spark portal]

You mean that they are not the same during the first time we met them? Furina was patching up a facade and Scaramouche is trying go through a redemption

[spark portal]

I think that's the reason why they are not the same as the first time we met them

It's fine to mention HSR leaks here without spoiler right?

[sly bison]

Only if you post a Pom-Pom every after post

/jk

[spark portal]

Ok, Madam Herta's husband will be shown to help the TB (being forced by Herta lol)

When does Genshin gets a romantic couple playable?

[sly bison]

Only if Dawei and co are ready to go into hiding for a year

The more obsessed CN gacha fans are goddamn SCARY

Esp when you look at the shitshow that was the bunny gril anniversary thing they tried

For Hi3

Granted

Maaaybe they might be safer with Genshin

[odd thicket]

herta has a husband ?

[spark portal]

From the leaks that I saw

[odd thicket]

hmm

genshin will never release a couple

it kills the hype

[spark portal]

There is one method that I remembered from an Aether x Harem fanfic (don't judge me first, read the rest of this message), that is making a rumor so that whatever that is you're trying to make people believe will actually believe that

[odd thicket]

Varka - Aventurine
Dottore - Otto
Durin - ???
Istaroth- Robin
Asmoda - Kiana
PO -Kevin

[odd thicket]

they are trying

dain was a good experiment

[sly bison]

Asmoda

Asmod

[lilac coral]

Why the fuck did I get name pinged for this 😭

Unless I added ck to it

Which idk why

[odd thicket]

Asmoday
kb fucked up
mb

[spark portal]

Making a rumor on the CN SocMed that Herta's husband will be shown can ease up the hate that could come

[sly bison]

My return question:
How tf did you get name pinged for this?

I was replying to Anaxa!

(Was Kc Anaxa’s alt this whole time ??)

[odd thicket]

idgi

explain

[spark portal]

Kilobyte fucked up lol

[odd thicket]

keyboard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1313827697432199199.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorowhip

[spark portal]

Idgi?

[odd thicket]

i dont get it

like

you make up a rumour in advance

to soften the hate

?

[spark portal]

Sorry, I meant the chaos

[odd thicket]

hmm

how did that fic plant a rumour ? and why

[lilac coral]

I am assuming "ck" was added to my name pings for some reason, but idk why

[odd thicket]

ck

hm'

yeah yours appears first

for a moment

[lilac coral]

Oh maybe the cK in KcKindred

[sly bison]

So ur just like golden

[spark portal]

Ok, the fic was about kids coming from the future trope and Raiden Shogun's pregnancy and kid birth makes chaos in Inazuma in the future

[odd thicket]

yes

[spark portal]

It was rearranged from Kc to cK

[odd thicket]

oooh like that

hmm

[spark portal]

Ok, who's here has name pings without the @ other than g0dlen and K(?

[odd thicket]

should try out one by one for the 10k names

[sly bison]

For Kc’s sake I hope there’s a future lore relevant character with the letters (k in their name

[odd thicket]

K. K. ?

[odd thicket]

paimon goes back in past and informs PO about a planet called teyvat

[spark portal]

Neverending loop

[patent cloud]

um

"Yawn That was a refreshing sleep. Ah, Traveler, we meet again! What? You don't remember me? Ahaha, well, allow me to join you on your quest once again. I must see to it that the bards of the world tell the Traveler's tales!"

Venti voice line

That bard is so fking sus

[lilac coral]

Several people in lore team, actually

And with various names for each

For example

Fischl

[reef axle]

👀

Whomst hast summonedth me?

[lilac coral]

It worked

[spark portal]

Jake

[reef axle]

tis I

[sly bison]

When we get real Fischl

Nod Krai?

[reef axle]

Soon™

[sly bison]

Mainland Snez?

[reef axle]

Very Soon™

[sly bison]

Khaenri’an version?

[lilac coral]

As we get closer to the truth, maybe we will get closer to the mysterious fischl lore

[spark portal]

I've been thinking this, now that Bennett and Razor got their lore, what 4* characters who should be getting more lore?

I'll go first, Kujou Sara

[reef axle]

Fischl

give us more endgame crumbs via chuuni power fantasy monologues plz

[odd thicket]

No we dont talk about inazuma

[odd thicket]

Chuuni ?

[odd thicket]

He saw the past cycle

[reef axle]

Short for "Chuunibyou"

a derogative colloquial term in the Japanese language used to describe a person who manifests delusional behavior, particularly thinking that one has special powers that no other person has.

*Originally a term used to pertain to children in the second year of middle school who act like how they imagine fantastical adults might act, the term eventually evolved into a term generally used to describe delusional behavior in general. *

[odd thicket]

Fischl is lowkey spoiling the endgame but she is too schizophrenic to get a eligible interpretation

[odd thicket]

Ahhh

[reef axle]

As made famous by the anime Love, Chuunibyou, and Other Delusions

https://tenor.com/view/rikka-rikka-takanashi-rolling-hand-chuunibyou-demo-koi-ga-shitai-chuunibyou-gif-17329604

[odd thicket]

Hmm

[sly bison]

Dori

She is oomfs with Alice

[sly bison]

We all had this stage

[lilac coral]

A lot of people are oomphs with Alice it seems, though

Outside of just albedo

[patent cloud]

Alice is smart.

[lilac coral]

She's friends with like all of mondstadt

[patent cloud]

Makes friends and allies everywhere.

[lilac coral]

Yeah

[patent cloud]

And makes sure to keep her ears to the ground for possible new friends all the time.

Such as with the traveler and skirk.

[lilac coral]

Anything to get a step ahead and be entertained

[patent cloud]

ya

Venti is kinda similar.

He made sure to make allies with the hexencirkel super early iirc

And he makes friends with a ton of ppl as well.

[spark portal]

The summer event?

[reef axle]

Nah, that's just character development, not character lore

[sly bison]

Ur oomfs with Alice

[reef axle]

She grew as a person, but the only thing we learned about her in that event was that she invites Mona to her parents' place for meals

[sly bison]

Dori is special tho

She built a whole empire for herself underground

With her help

And is one of few characters privileged enough to have their Miscellany trailers narrated by her

[mental flame]

the power of big cash money

[odd thicket]

Dori whitewashed Alice’s off the books income

And sells Fent with her protection

[sly bison]

Place bets

What do you estimate Dori’s age is in your headcanon

When you taken into account all she accomplished

[odd thicket]

At least 33

[mental flame]

late 20s?

[odd thicket]

We need more Dori tbh

[odd thicket]

Do yall think Xbalanque x Och Kan is canon

[stoic spade]

I admit reading the lore of the dragons was already a struggle for me with the names I did not have the mental strength to read between the lines about potential ships 😔

[queen prawn]

I don’t know. But nothing between them sound or seem romantic

[odd thicket]

Och Kan worshipped Xbalanque

When every other hero left for their omown tribe, och kan remained by xbalanque’s side

He always was ever since he was rescued

And after Xbalanque’s passing and becoming the ruler of och kan natlan, he designed the city after what he thought och kan would be proud of and have loved

His love for humanity stems from Xbalanque

[odd thicket]

He was Xbalanque’s first and greatest glazer

[spark portal]

We need an Albedo meeting Melusines event lol

[spark portal]

What if Columbina is secretly working with Tsaritsa and that sending the WHOLE Fatui to retrieve her was a facade to us players?

Or maybe she has betrayed Fatui and work for PO?

Or maybe even Alice?

[odd thicket]

Impossibpe

Impossible

The frostmoon are only ever loyal to the moons

And the new moon is too sympathetic to humanity

[spark portal]

Ok, sorry, please explain to me in a simple story about Sun and Moon story

[odd thicket]

Wdym

The book

[odd thicket]

I dont think she betrayed the fatui

Tbh

[spark portal]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Her reason could have changed

Becoming more benevolent than bloodthirsty

[odd thicket]

That is being pro celestia

[odd thicket]

So, BSAM is written after the fall of Enkanomiya

When they were helped by Istaroth and her horse god daughter

[spark portal]

So people of Enkanomiya were helped by Istaroth, right?

[odd thicket]

BSAM mentions the War between the First who Came and the Second who came

That during the war for the throne, enkanomiya fell into the depths

It is also the first mention of Istaroth and her alternate name, Kairos

What we do not know from BSAM is which descender is the second

The first was obviously PO

Second is a mystery

It can be voyager or nibelung

[odd thicket]

Yes

[spark portal]

Lastly, where is Columbina being a frostmoon came from? Artifacts? A random note in the middle of nowhere?

[queen prawn]

Who says that she is from Frostmoon,the only possible theory was she is a fey tbh

[odd thicket]

Her glitching is eerily reminiscent of Arlecchino, the only other moon related person

[spark portal]

Two ALMOST different answers lol

[odd thicket]

Frostmoon scions helped to establish the Lightkeepers

[odd thicket]

also possible

[spark portal]

Who are the moons and the suns?

[odd thicket]

The FS worship the Frostmoon only

and remain on Hiisi island

and they pose jeopardy to the operation to retrieve her from there

the only way to make a more educated guess is to wait for the Nod Krai teaser on July 25th

[odd thicket]

Moon: Iridescent, Frost and Eternal
Sun: Nibelung and PO

and a "Morning Star" , possibly the Voyager

[spark portal]

Thanks for the answer

[odd thicket]

Extended Family time

but at the least he wont have to resurrect Elynas as he was already a kind soul unlike Durin

[spark portal]

Naberius has been devoured by Rhine and fused with her, does that mean Furina is Albedo's long distance sibling?

[odd thicket]

yeah

step cousin

ig

wait

Naberius-> Egeria -> Focalors -> Furina
Gold - > Albedo, Durin, Elynas

So Albedo is Furina's Step Grand uncle or something

Surtologi - > Skirk -> Childe
Istaroth - > Venti , Horse

Ronova-> ? Kapatcir

[sly bison]

1. speculations based on rumored leak info
2. a bit of asspulls grasping for straws

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-hun-death-squid-game-season-3-we-are-not-horses-player-456-player-456-eliminated-gif-6008280914355613903

[odd thicket]

nah not leaks

[sly bison]

Not really

[odd thicket]

you can ignore leaks and still make a case for moon connection

[sly bison]

Yes.

This has been a thing time and time again. And a good chunk of people will eat it up.

It’s not a question of whether or not Colombina is moon related

But plenty people firmly believe from right off the bat that she’s ||a Moon Goddess/Archon|| with less than substantial support for it

[odd thicket]

that is true

[sly bison]

Can’t wait to hear about Childe dying for the 7th time already

In NK

[odd thicket]

she can be the moon goddess or its servant somehow

a new moon goddess is definitely happening

[sly bison]

[odd thicket]

his fate can be determined only when we know what happened to the OG Ajax

oh wait

or arlecchino dying

[odd thicket]

this should be answered in the nod krai overtune teaser

[odd thicket]

Bringing this hp again

Any speculation ?

[patent cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DZLRHhrvkU

Absolute fire.

[worldly rain]

Kinda still don't fully believe in this cyclical stuff... Like she says teyvat is in cyclical time loop but khanerria isn't? And cataclysm was the intersection of both and that's why paradox need not exist?
Then how come people like dain and pierro exist within teyvat if they belong to khanerria which should exist outside time loop? Where do they fit in with this whole cyclical stuff?

I do agreee with the theory that asmoday is manipulating space across the time in collaboration with istaroth though... That makes more sense

[odd thicket]

khaenrians are still prohibited from the Leylines

like a draft

[worldly rain]

I'll just wait then for future lore to come cause right now I don't see how teyvat is supposed to be in a loop and yet people who exist outside such loop are also existing in tryvat at the same time

[odd thicket]

skirk?

voyager ?

[worldly rain]

I'm speaking in the context of ashikai video above
She says khanerria has linear timeline while teyvat has cyclical
And both overlap each other in space then the cataclysm acts like an intersection of time

My point was people who exist outside tryvat like khanerria...how do they fit into teyvat cyclical time then outside of this intersection?

People like dain and pierro how do they fit outside of this intersection because they clearly exist in the current timeline within teyvat

I just don't see how teyvat is cyclical but everything outside is not

When people from outside do exist within teyvat

Like everything from the arrival of PO upto the events of cataclysm has been pretty much linear as far as time goes

Even still I reckon time is flowing linearly

[spark portal]

Go to the an island near that big ass tower (or the tower island itself if you didn't find it there) in fontaine, you will see a note, read it.

[worldly rain]

You talking about rene research notes about root cycle?

Because if you are that doesn't explain time being cyclical either
Every civilization mentioned in rene research notes exists within linear timeline
Also he missed quite a few other civilization like enka Or sal vindagnyr where does those fit in his "cycle"
Not to mention rene "theory" couldn't even predict arrival of 4th descender anyway

[kindred epoch]

that's the point of a descender though, they are not part of the world's fate and aren't within predictions

that was what he wanted to do and what his whole story was about

[worldly rain]

Have you watched ashikai latest video ?

[kindred epoch]

I don't usually watch much of her stuff
not a big fan of wild theories

[worldly rain]

She presents time as linear for khanerria that exists outside teyvat
And for teyvat she says it's cyclical
Then she says that both world intersect at particular time and space which is cataclysm

This is the context I'm talking about
It just doesn't make sense to me

Btw she was explaining how hoyo doesn't do time travel so she was trying to explain the recent paradox with traveler quest would exist

The whole stuff with direidyth and the key

Rather then teyvat being in cyclical time loop
It makes more sense to me that teyvat fuctions more like simulanka
A world of stories come alive where characters' "fate" is just their pre written story
Descenders being the one who exist outside of such "fate"
Would help in explaining how istaroth could manipulate then the time in this "story" Just like we did in simulanka puzzles

[spark portal]

Do you guys believe the possibility of Columbina sees us as a potential pawn? Like, from the trailer itself, Columbina going "rogue" against Fatui, from what Prophet said, it could be a possibility now

Let's see if this summons him.

[lilac coral]

What are the chances that the frostmoon scions are worshipping her as their new moon

Or that she's being heralded as a new moon

[kindred epoch]

Columbina the welkin moon
She will give whoever pulls for her a free welkin every month

[sly bison]

What are the chances the Welkin Moon arc finally reveals who/what Paimon is in your book?

[lilac coral]

Define "reveals"

[odd thicket]

No info yet but very probable

[lilac coral]

Like they say it in passing? They make obvious hints towards it even if paimon doesn't understand it? She physically is the one to say it? She turns into asmoday?

[odd thicket]

But teyvat also repeats its own stories

Khaenriah exists outside but not to any advantage like the descenders or other nations

Their fate too is determined by the gods

They are excluded from the orchestra of teyvat

[sly bison]

https://tenor.com/view/paimon-evil-smile-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-paimon-gif-27681637

[odd thicket]

Like describing the actions of HP and a paimon sized hole in their chronological order

[sly bison]

Oh yay

[worldly rain]

Doesn't mean it reset the time though? Time is still linear...
Yes civilization rise and fall and then new civilization takes it's place but all that is happening in linear way
Like there is no literal loop at that's what I think it's more of a metaphorical

[sly bison]

I can post gifs now

[odd thicket]

The same fate, names and souls are being recycled by the leylines

[worldly rain]

It's more like a simulation if you will that I can believe

[odd thicket]

Yes

Ronova and Naberius create and destroy , reuse existing characters in the symphony of teyvay

[worldly rain]

Yeah but all that happens in linear way though

It's not like you go back to past

You still are moving forward in time

[odd thicket]

Khaenriah, Natlantea, Remuria and Hyperborea must have split and off none of their stories added to the main symphony

[odd thicket]

But the similar events and characters repeat

Like hmm

Each cycle is not the exact same

Have you seen Wheel of Time ?

Time moves forward always, but the events, histories always repeat

The same characters appear again

Every third age of every cycle

[worldly rain]

Sure that's fine however time repeating itself is not something that's happening here

In ashikai video she says time is cylical as in in goes in loop

That's where my disagreement comes of the theory

[lilac coral]

I may be stupid

But isn't a time loop just time repeating itself because it's a loop

[odd thicket]

Teyvat has no time loops iirc

[worldly rain]

That has not happened so far at least not in literal sense

[lilac coral]

Samsara

[worldly rain]

You should watch ashikai latest video

Maybe you'll understand it better than me

[odd thicket]

I got that she was saying that the cyclical nature comes from fates of people being repeated and shared down generations

[lilac coral]

Unless that doesn't count because the loop was in peoples' consciousnesses

[odd thicket]

I have

[odd thicket]

Ajax

Durin

And possibly
Wanderer

[odd thicket]

It does count

[lilac coral]

Then there has been time loops on teyvat

[odd thicket]

But iirc the samsara was only over sumeru city ?

[lilac coral]

[sly bison]

Yeah Ashikai’s main argument is that genshin doesn’t use ‘true’ time travel but roundabout ways of it

[odd thicket]

And it still happened in linear time ?

[odd thicket]

She is right

[lilac coral]

That's why I was asking if it counted

[odd thicket]

I was stupid in thinking a bootstrap paradox would ever happen

PO strictly prohibits paradoxes

[odd thicket]

I need to revisit sumeru archon quest

[sly bison]

Did you give her the key

[odd thicket]

I was ar 30 at the time

[odd thicket]

Nope

I got right away that if i keep the key i change dirdyieth’s fate

[worldly rain]

And yet ashikai says tryvat is in a time loop while khanerria exist outside it
Doesn't make sense to me

[lilac coral]

The samsara was strictly within the consciousness of the people of sumeru city, through the ear piece everyone wore

[sly bison]

Evil blootooth

[lilac coral]

Their physical bodies still stayed in tact and declined from lack of sustenance

[worldly rain]

Samsara is sumeru only thing so far

[lilac coral]

No it isn't

I was just mentioning specifically the sumeru city one

[odd thicket]

Citlali quest hints on how the samsara of teyvat could be hosted

[worldly rain]

Where does samsara exist outside of sumeru then?

[lilac coral]

There's the note on the island with the tower in fontaine that specifically calls the cycles of teyvat samsaras

At least if memory serves

[odd thicket]

Possibly Huitzilopchetli

[worldly rain]

The rise and fall of civilization yes I know
But those civilization are not anything like sumeru

[odd thicket]

When little one destroys all of teyvat

The planet eventually reforms

[worldly rain]

In sumeru same time was looping same events happening with same character

[lilac coral]

Found it

The Narzissenkreuz Ordo believes that people continuously refine themselves through samsara cycles. These include Hyperborea, Natlantea, Remuria, and the first half of the fourth samsara (Khraun-Arya), which we are presently experiencing.

[worldly rain]

That not how civilization rising and falling happens
We know hyperborea was different than natlantea which was in turn different from remuria and then khanerria

[lilac coral]

Just a passage from it but to make it easier to see the mention of the samsara

[odd thicket]

Khaenriah was cutoff from teyvat
They were kicked out of the loop is what i got from her video

[worldly rain]

Sumeru samsara works very differently than the theory of rise and fall of civilization

[lilac coral]

Yes, but that also doesn't mean a samsara can't be more broad in scope than just "time repeats"

It seems more like cycles like was mentioned

[worldly rain]

So how does it explain that whatever happened in khanerria post cataclysm still affect teyvat history?