・lore-basement

[lilac coral]

it may as well be one bubble

[queen prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-yu-hakusho-yusuke-urameshi-spirit-gun-shoot-blast-gif-17137399

[lilac coral]

kogi you're so nice to post it for them

[sly bison]

P3 soon…

[queen prawn]

[lilac coral]

soon!

level @sly bison

[ornate pond]

Level and XP for Something Astral

Text XP

1025

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0

Total XP

1025

Level

4

Progress

255/380 (67%)

Next Reward

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Wangsheng Funeral Parlor | Genshin Impact

[lilac coral]

over halfway there

[sly bison]

A moment of silence for Dendro that still has never once been used in any cinematic tho

Even in Sumeru

[queen prawn]

DMC kit isn't good enough

Too simple

[lilac coral]

this is going to be really stupid

but i just realized dahlia is finally the second 4* hydro character to release after launch

and i heard NOBODY say anything about it in the same way they did for candace

[queen prawn]

[lilac coral]

we finally have a new 4* hydro and nobody cares because of skirk and wtf does dahlia even do except summon a trampoline

[queen prawn]

New emoji

[queen prawn]

Yeah,their kit is just so bad no one talks about them

[lilac coral]

i'm trying to look at his cons and stuff right now because i was wondering who else i have who could be a good hydro support other than xingqiu and saw dahlia and was like "wait, what does he do"

and then realized "wait, he's a 4* hydro character"

"we haven't had one of those in years"

oh hey, dahlia is another barbara

C6 fully revives a downed character, but only if they were protected by his burst thing

[queen prawn]

Yeah,but it is better because it doesn't have a cooldown of like 60 minutes I think?

[odd thicket]

Those are Venti’s weapons so no

[odd thicket]

Nobody cared for dahlia

[lilac coral]

do any of you speak portuguese btw

[queen prawn]

No

[odd thicket]

We thought he was a joke until content creator server discovered skirk has basically no hitlag

[lilac coral]

barbara's is every 15 minutes too

😭

[queen prawn]

Oh

[odd thicket]

Nope
I can understand some french but thats about it

[lilac coral]

i understand spanish but i think a brazilian player popped into my world asking for skirk flowers but it was really hard to decipher because most of the sentence was unrecognizable 😭

so i used spanish to say i have none and used them, and they said something and left

[sly bison]

It’s less about the kit and more that Traveler does nothing practical with the element for combat cutscenes (more close to environmental spiritual stuff)

[odd thicket]

Oh

[odd thicket]

Surprised Portuguese and spanish are not similar

[lilac coral]

they're like

[odd thicket]

French and Spanish are similar
English and french are similar
German is alien

[lilac coral]

portguese feels like a mix of french, italian, and spanish to me

[odd thicket]

Italian can seem simple

[lilac coral]

some of the vocab is similar but most of it is said wildly differently

[lilac coral]

ENGLISH AND FRENCH ARE SIMILAR??

IM SORRY?

i think german is closer to english than french is 😭

[sly bison]

And Ganyu has Amos Bow for who knows what

Alhaitham owns an old prince’s sword for reasons we know next to zero things about

[lilac coral]

we might use a few french words but we use a lot of everyone's words

[sly bison]

I’m sure Venti wouldn’t mind

[odd thicket]

Yep

French is super easy to pick up, but hell to understand and speak. Its sounds like a snail made residence in your voice box

Majority of English vocabulary is french

[odd thicket]

Tighnari owns a bow master from mondsdadt’s weapon

Nilou and Cyno own priestly weapons

Dehya too

[lilac coral]

okay yeah i just used google translate and they said
"you won't let me get skirk flowers would you?"
me, in spanish: "sorry i don't have them"
"i would do the same"
me: "i use them"
"have a good day"

[odd thicket]

Hm

[lilac coral]

had to think what the fuck "vc" was and remembered "voce" is a word 😭

[sly bison]

Hell, you can give Lumine Iron Sting and it d be fine if you were only keeping it to craftable only

[lilac coral]

idk, half my family learned french and my grandmother speaks it fluently and none of them would say it's similar to english and my mother made me take spanish lol

[odd thicket]

Understanding

[odd thicket]

Rn traveller upgraded to rancour

They did not show sword of narzizzenkreuz for reasons

[lilac coral]

even though all i had to go off of was "flores" and "skirk" because i understood literally nothing else they said

[sly bison]

I know

I’m just saying “if Lumine was allowed to use any other sword to better matches her fit, Iron Sting would be nice.”

[lilac coral]

none of it looked like spanish except for those two words

[odd thicket]

Hm
I studied french for five years in middle school
It seemed similar to english that it was easy for me to pick up, alliance de francais level too
I tried spanish and it was even easier

Or maybe i have not really tried understanding french from accented and difficult to decipher vocies

[odd thicket]

Finale of the deep would go nicely as well

[lilac coral]

is english your first language?

[odd thicket]

Jope

Nope

[lilac coral]

that might be why

[odd thicket]

But may as well be

My accent with my mother tongue is horrible despite growing up where its spoken the most

[lilac coral]

i'd say spanish or german is a lot closer to english than french would be

[odd thicket]

But my english i can fraud into different accents

So win is a win

[lilac coral]

LOL

nice

but yeah, there's this thing in language that's really funny where it's easy for a native of one language to understand another language, but it's nearly impossible to do vice versa

i forgot what it's called but it's a phenomenon that happens with specific languages

[odd thicket]

Asymmetric intelligibility ?

[lilac coral]

found it

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E042GHlUgoQ

this was the first thing i'd ever seen about it years ago

[odd thicket]

I found it is the case for older, localised languages and others like japanese

[lilac coral]

and thought it was really interesting

[odd thicket]

My country has anywhere between dozens to maybe even a hundred languages
Most died off but have the localised dialects of popular languages

So sometimes even the same language can sound alien

My other mother tongue is alien and vice versa to a friend who shares the same.

[lilac coral]

yee

[odd thicket]

I am glad i have two mother tongues to choose from

One gets me side eyed or banned from certain universities abroad and the other is chill with everybody

[lilac coral]

??????

banned??

[odd thicket]

Some students used to cheat their way through grad school en masse, it became way too common for that group and lead to a ban for their state and a closer critique otherwise

The same Happened in some good jobs as well, they cheated with the benefits and that led to a negative rep

Still cannot stop them because they are still talented af even with the cheap shit they pull

[lilac coral]

bruh 😭

[median elm]

hi im back to ask some questions

is the heavenly principles a moniker for phanes? or is phanes a separate entity that descended and implemented the heavenly principles as a set of rules?

the wiki seems to use the heavenly principles as a name for phanes

or is phanes one of the shades?

bit of the chicken and egg thing im not understanding

[worldly rain]

Phanes is the primordial one they created the four shades out of themselves
After defeating the dragon phanes established a new order
This new world order is known as heavenly principles

At least based on current lore understanding anyway
Future lore reveal may change stuff

[median elm]

i see

are we only aware of three of the shades as of now?

[worldly rain]

No all four are known
Shade of time is istaroth
Shade of space is sustainer (maybe)
Shade of life is neberius
And shade of death is renova

[median elm]

ah o

this section confused me

phanes was listed next to the three other shades making me think he was the fourth

but that didn't make any sense since i knew he was the first defender

descender

[worldly rain]

Yeah phane sis different from shades as of now

Maybe future may change that when more info are revealed

[median elm]

ok ty

[worldly rain]

Np

[odd thicket]

Wont happen

Lord of the Night confirms that the four shades and the Heavenly Principles are distinct entities

And referred the HP as a person

[worldly rain]

Oh well it's fine then

Wiki needs to update I guess

[median elm]

has it been explained yet why celestia wanted human civilization to be cyclical?

in its rise and fall?

[odd thicket]

They did not

Explicitly , at the keast

Least

All the civilisations that fell tried to rival Celestia’s will

Or were fated to

And opposed / did not obey celestia from the start

Natlantea, hyperborea, khaenriah, remuria

[median elm]

this is what i assumed

that celestia always knew the humans were going to get prideful

[odd thicket]

Natlantea was a draconic civilisation

Hyperborea was the first and rose in rebellion with the aid of the second who came

[median elm]

ah ok

im not there yet in the story

still reading through the great war of vengeance

[odd thicket]

Hyperborea is seldom mentioned

it has just 4 mentions in the whole game

and all in descriptions

[sly bison]

Allegedly the HP is the first descender who may be the one called ‘Phanes’

Allegedly since the accounts talking about this may be biased

[median elm]

the hell is with liyue and elemental beings leading children to their deaths

[lilac coral]

Liyue loves dead children

Has the highest concentration of undead children in any region

And one even runs a hospital

[odd thicket]

How many undead ?

[stoic spade]

do ghosts count as undead

because if so I can only remember two

[odd thicket]

There are a lot of kid ghosts on tsurimi

[odd thicket]

kinda

they cannot pass on

into the leylines

[lilac coral]

https://fxtwitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1937088497220804745

Genshin Impact (@GenshinImpact)

#GenshinImpact #Ineffa
︀︀"First, you must acknowledge that Ineffa is the very best robot in the world! Then, you need to respect Ineffa's opinions and decisions. Also, you have to accept that the Clink-Clank Kr... no, that's not right... Accept that Ineffa has the final say in everything she does!"
︀︀— Aino, in "Ineffa's External Deployment and Support Agreement"
︀︀
︀︀"...It's been several years since she left — I wonder if she's still following her own path. Did Mother feel the same way when I left on my journey, all those years ago...?"
︀︀— Unknown author, from an ancient journal unearthed in Natlan
︀︀
︀︀◆ Name: Ineffa
︀︀◆ Title: Boom Boom Thunderwave
︀︀◆ Multifunctional Robot for Domestic Application
︀︀◆ ???: Electro
︀︀◆ Constellation: Vanilla Planifolia

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FxTwitter · Jun 23, 2025, 10:01 AM

"multifunctional robot for domestic application"

Also this makes me wonder

If a full on robot can get a vision, what else can

So far it's been humans and beastkin and yokai, I wonder why we haven't seen any good dogs with visions yet

Petition to get a vision for thoma's dog friend

[queen prawn]

I think it is something similar to delusion but good

"???: Electro"

[twilit fern]

what if it's

whatever the mobs use for elemental attacks

but better

[odd thicket]

I think Varesa is stronger than some harbingers

She singlehandedly fought off the abyss forces headed towards CoP

[sly bison]

That kinda metric is scuffed bc of how many lower ranked harbingers we lack consistent feats for that isn’t Tartaglia lol

Besides him we literally only have Signora at 8th who is both higher than him but still jobbed to Traveler for no clear context or reason 😂

[strange crag]

Hey peeps
I added missing stories to my Genshin website
https://gi.yatta.moe/en/changelog?v=57
Scroll down to see them

[lilac coral]

Thanks!

[reef axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/KaggyFilms/status/1937247655144620289?s=19

Alejandro Saab (@KaggyFilms)

Yeah I could’ve read Cyno’s birthday message…

But here’s a bunch of Dad Jokes instead 🥸 https://t.co/XQcs2OGrQI

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 23, 2025, 8:33 PM

[lilac coral]

This is almost better than him just reading the birthday message

[reef axle]

ummm

Mr. Genshin Employee posted either the wrong video or the wrong title...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qXVMgGUBIu0?feature=share

[queen prawn]

Dainsleif real name

[reef axle]

looks like wrong title. JP one translates to

"But no matter what you choose, my heart will not waver. Stopping the Abyss is the path I choose to follow."

[lilac coral]

Yeah, I got really confused when I saw the notif for the video but then there was nothing about ineffa in it

He's now Mr. Boom Boom Thunderwave

[spark portal]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/TJIrubcbRk

[odd thicket]

Good for Dain’s transition 🏳️‍⚧️

[odd thicket]

Mavuika recounts her time in Khaenriah and has Xilonen mass manufacture Ruin Guards

[spark portal]

People from my country are pissed that the ||Skirk AQ's part where you see Skirk's past are ghost-like npc and not rendered 3d just because they wanted to see little skirk||

Also, ||I think this goes out of my country too, but people are pissed that Dain's TORTURE are not being shown and just the rock that is being shown, they thought that it was a fight, not a torture||

[median elm]

is the wiki updated with the most recent aq/sq stuff?

[odd thicket]

ambr wiki is

[median elm]

not fandom yet tho

?

[sly bison]

Meanwhile: I know a Filipino guy that is upset that Traveler’s swimsuit isn’t a rendered model and relegated to only CG cutscenes lol

[odd thicket]

The ghost npcs were good storytelling and we see smol skirk in cutscenes tho

Are these wuwa warriors

[odd thicket]

When a story has a narrative :

[median elm]

tbf i think only a tiny fraction of the fanbase is lore enjoyers

most people are here for action, anime tiddies, and daddies

😂

and gambling of course

[odd thicket]

Ye

[sly bison]

Tbf an even smaller fraction of lore enjoyers are narrative enjoyers lol

[queen prawn]

They are pissed at ghost like npc like they will remember them in NodKrai patch

[spark portal]

It's the indonesian man, they will complain about weirder things than what westerners complain about

[odd thicket]

Oh
Understandable

Asian gacha communities can be weird af

[strange crag]

Fixed all characters audio + added new furnishing sets and their stories

[spark portal]

What's the shortened url (like ambr.top) for Star Rail?

[reef axle]

yatta.top

[spark portal]

Bleh, i thought it would be like mrch.top lol

[strange crag]

sr.yatta.moe or yatta.top

For GI it's gi.yatta.moe

[spark portal]

Ykw, change it to mrch.top, it will gain a lot of attention, since it is relevant to the game

[spark portal]

March 7th, that's the thing

[reef axle]

~3 years too late to be going around changing names lol

[odd thicket]

Stygian Onslaught was ....

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-cat-gif-6738008723368812023

[queen prawn]

Im gonna crashout if I keep going

So I give up..

Unless some EU whale here can carry me ofc

[odd thicket]

What difficulty

[queen prawn]

D4

I just need one feather

And get the second from 1200 point

Only the lava statue was hard

The rest was easy

[odd thicket]

kinich makes him easy

what team you use for Overseer ?

[odd thicket]

you can coop for D4 btw

[queen prawn]

Mualani Nahida Dehya Xilonen/Yaoyao.
I did successfully kill it with Mavuika replacing Dehya but then I can't beat Hydro tuple

It is always close to death

If only it consistently burning

[odd thicket]

If you are gonna use a natlan character or two , use three

For overseer

It goes racist and lowers its res

Use Alrecchino or Tao for Tulpa

[queen prawn]

Mf was at 1% HP

[odd thicket]

[queen prawn]

Finally did it

Mualani,Nahida PMC with sac sword and Xilonen worked

Didn't know PMC Tap E would be better to apply burn

[odd thicket]

Pyro app every 3 seconds

Surprised it sufficed

[odd thicket]

so it has been done

someone beat Tumult Sunder with C0R1 5* and C6 4*s only

all of us have giga skissue

[lost quail]

A thought just came into my head.
“Can ayato match Arle is speed?” Because his game play when you press e, it looks like he’s pretty fast. Or does character
Gameplay strength not matter? Because I think he would be gameplay wise, but I don’t think it would’ve mattered, because of her you know

SPIKES that shoot out of the ground….

The the fucking lasers

The webs? I count boss fight abilities as part of her feats especially since her cutscene abilities 100% match her boss fight abilities. So the damn lasers are canon.

He’s not gonna be fast enough to dodge that shit

[spark portal]

Umm... sorry to ask, but why does Arle make you feel like you want to ask anything about her?

[lost quail]

I like her
Is that an issue?/nm

[odd thicket]

no

[spark portal]

Just asking.

[odd thicket]

ayato is a boba sucking don

arlecchino is the last known descendant of Crimson Witch and near god level

arlecchino combats abyss on the regular

the most ayato has fought were kairagi and other human soldiers

[queen prawn]

Our team is just poorly invested

I could do D5 if I had Citlali

Hydro tupla minion is a lot more tankier and need freeze

Lava Dragon might still be an issues though

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-ironic-star-wars-ian-mc-diarmid-gif-9719948

[odd thicket]

or nahida

[queen prawn]

Stuck with lava

[odd thicket]

yes
he is kinich or varesa victim

[odd thicket]

you can use chevvy on it

[queen prawn]

I could use Yaoyao for hydro tupla but I know I can't beat it anyways

Also you get around 3-4 feathers a patch, since the meter reset after 10 days

Domain became irrelevant noway

[lost quail]

She’s really fast too . I think she’d juts block him. He’s not dodging the spikes. I’m sorry. He’s not. Or the lasers. I don’t think he’d be fast enough for her. She could just block his fucking attacks and stab him with the damn spikes or something. Bros cooked.

[odd thicket]

no, you only get 2 per patch

[odd thicket]

it is only for the first 10 days

[odd thicket]

arlecchino is on a different level than ayato
shell prolly just break through his defences ngl

or maybe not

[odd thicket]

have you seen demon slayer ?

ayato will practice water breathing and defeat demonic arlecchino

https://tenor.com/view/giyuu-giyuu-tomioka-giyu-giyu-tomioka-demon-slayer-gif-13045687458151942578

[queen prawn]

Ayato could stand a chance,he won't win but he definitely can fight against Arlecchino,we rarely see other characters using skills that aren't from their kit so we can't judge their full ability

[odd thicket]

no, he will use water breathing and cut arlecchino's neck off
||/s||

ufotable animates both genhin and demon slayer and da wei told me

[lost quail]

She is blatantly stronger, and she wasn’t even going on out. But yeah, he could go up against her. Just not win.

Just like Arle could go against Capitano, just not win

[queen prawn]

Ayato cutting Arlecchino spider string

[lost quail]

Can he cut through her spikes and lasers and what ever the fuck the balls of energy were?/lh

Seriously what the fuck was that

[queen prawn]

He probably can,the reason why her children can't was their movement was limited

[lost quail]

Tanjiro the goat

[queen prawn]

If Ayato didn't get trapped,he can cut it

[lost quail]

That’s giving him too much grace I’m not gone hold you

Because we weren’t even able to break from the domain trap and we are definitely stronger than ayato

[queen prawn]

He will vaporise her spike

[odd thicket]

he can probably win if he teams up with ayaka and someone like mizuki

[odd thicket]

he would prolly dodge

[lost quail]

I’m not saying he’s weak, but based on her boss. It’s comparing a tsar bomb to a coughing baby

[queen prawn]

1 billion Mizuki vs Arlecchino

[lost quail]

It’s just therapy

[odd thicket]

Ayato does have Haran

Haran is a special sword

[lost quail]

That’s not how that works
It’s important to me that you know that

[queen prawn]

Who know,if Ayato was a boss,they would make him look strong asf

[odd thicket]

arlecchino has leyline memory problems
mizuki can actually beat her via therapy

[queen prawn]

Assuming elemental reaction work

[odd thicket]

jokes aside yes arlecchino beats ayato with a decent fight

[lost quail]

Were we able to break her spikes in the boss fight? No/nm/lh

[queen prawn]

We did ,with physical strength

[lost quail]

I will pull up the fight myself dawg don’t play with me/lh

[queen prawn]

Like,we don't know if elemental power can do more damage and break her spike

[odd thicket]

the only human duellists she loses to are
Xiao
Shenhe (maybe ?)
Cyno ?
Varesa

any one else i prolly forgot

[lost quail]

She loses to Varesa?

The cow?

Girl?

[odd thicket]

xiao would obviously beat her so ig its redundant

[odd thicket]

yep

one and only

[lost quail]

………

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/varesa-genshin-genshin-impact-cow-cowgirl-gif-8277155274435707831

[queen prawn]

Varesa impaled Arlecchino with her super sonic speed

[odd thicket]

Daily reminder that Varesa ate a God and defended the collective of plenty during the 5.1 abyss battle all by herself

[lost quail]

She ate a god

[odd thicket]

yep

[lost quail]

Varesa

[odd thicket]

yep

[lost quail]

Ate a god

[odd thicket]

shes also faster and stronger than mavuika in physical strength iirc

[odd thicket]

yeah

shes been eating him since childhood

[lost quail]

Is there more context to that or

[queen prawn]

Mushroom god

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/varesa-eating-varesa-genshin-impact-gif-16726580382201323334

[odd thicket]

her own story quest

[lost quail]

Like I believe an adeptis beats her yeah. Especially xiao.

So like

I understand that

[odd thicket]

natlan characters are just that strong

in lore too

[lost quail]

I feel like eating a God’s corpse if different from fighting a god. That’s not to say Varesa isn’t strong. She could probably beat Arle in high difficulty. I’m just saying there’s a difference

[odd thicket]

no, she ate a live living breathing god

[lost quail]

How big was it

Like

Mushroom size

?

I need a picture of this mushroom god

Genshin gets crazier every Tuesday

[odd thicket]

this is the one

so he originally he was strong

[lost quail]

………

[odd thicket]

he wanted to take over the tribe by having them eat parts of him and control their minds

[lost quail]

……

[odd thicket]

but varesa ate most of him and got supercharged

[lost quail]

I

[odd thicket]

he is the father of the glowing mushrooms in the chasm btw

xamaran

[lost quail]

How
Big is he

[queen prawn]

He can also mind control

[polar silo]

Herro everypony..

[queen prawn]

In the past, unknown but currently is just like regular mushrooms

[odd thicket]

at least as tall as a house if his son in the chasm is an indication

[odd thicket]

hi

[lost quail]

If the power works when ingested then I’m not sure how useful that is. Not to discredit. I’m just saying. Cuz that is a pretty impressive thing to do. And I wouldn’t expect Varesa to be like that. So that explains my initial shock. I’m just saying what you’re indicating is a that she’s below god level

And that doesn’t really add up to me

Cuz

It’s a mushroom

And her super speed would be an advantage to her.

[queen prawn]

she ate all of his clones really fast, I think it is her speed that matters

[odd thicket]

Varesa is the strongest human in natlan

And shes only a teen

[lost quail]

I just said it would be her advantage.
I. Just saying if the woman you’re putting her up against can react that fast to attacks from 3 people, I’m not sure if that would be all it takes. I’m not sayings she doesn’t stand a chance. Please don’t misunderstand. I believe that she probably has a chance. I’m just not sure how large that chance is, when we don’t even know how strong Arle actually is. Because considering she’s just below the 3 God level fatui, I’m like “I don’t know”

But adepti? Yeah.

[odd thicket]

Arle’s spikes wont even pierce her

Imo

[odd thicket]

It could go either way

Varesa is yet to reach her prime and collect her feats

[lost quail]

I’m not saying Varesa isn’t strong. Again that’s not what I’m saying. But Arle has been fighting Since she was 6, and killed a harbinger and blew up a whole building when she was 17.
And Arle was shown to easily adapt in the cutscene to changes in combat. So I agree that it could go either way

Like I just wanna get it out there

Just in case it felt like I was trying to say she wasn’t

[odd thicket]

Varesa is freakishly fast too
Shes a trained wrestler however which doesnt stack ip to arle’s prowess

And she becomes almost monstrous in behaviour when she wears her mask

After going through Arlecchino’s past work ig she can scrape by but barely

She can put some distance between her and Varesa with her scythe

And maintain it

But if Varesa closes that gap its over

[lost quail]

So is Arle. I believe the move that would get her would be those damn laser attacks and balls. And she is able to “paralyze” people using thin threads of web.

I don’t care what you try I tell me. Varesa nor ayato is dodging them lasers or balls of whatever the fuck that is cuz it ain’t fire. It doesn’t even look like fire.
There’s a reason why we couldn’t even beat her. Due to her hyper awareness.

[lost quail]

Do you think that’s possible?

[lost quail]

Theoretically she’d get a hit on her

[queen prawn]

And lack of focus

[lost quail]

Huh?

I just said she was hyper aware
That means she’s hyper focused in combat.

[queen prawn]

Sorry,I should have mentioned I was talking about Traveler

[lost quail]

Ah

[odd thicket]

Varesa probably can
Shes the closest in game we have to a speedster atm

[queen prawn]

Traveler would not dodge her domain attack but lack of focus is what made Traveler lose all the time, everytime Traveler rush to fight,we lose. Traveler really charge in front of Beisht and expect to not get hit with an attack

[lost quail]

The only chance Varesa has to beating Arlecchino in combat is in her mask off form and if she manages to disrupt that sharp focus Arlecchino has in combat.

[odd thicket]

And Varesa is defo breaking those webs
Girlie was breaking through boulders with bare hands since childhood

[odd thicket]

Yepc exchanging blows is happening

Arle’s sharp cuts vs varesa’s sheer mountain breaking blunt force

[odd thicket]

Or beat her through it
As a wrestler she must be able to anticipate arle’s moves

[lost quail]

You’re trying to tell me she can dodge her laser attacks….and her spikes…and her webs…..and her scythe..because i guarantee you . She could break her webs. I’m not taking that away from her. She’s super fast and super strong. Not to mention her spikes shooting through the ground at every angle. Even closing in. Maybe the first few ones she could dodge.
But she is.not. Dodging. The. Lasers. Or the balls of whatever the fuck. And we see she’s able to combine them all.

I believe there will be exchange of blows tho. Since Varesa is strong and fast she will be able to hit her. It’s more accurate to say that it would be a tie than to say Varesa beats her. Arle is gonna be able to get her with just half her moveset. And she wasn’t even using all her abilities. Arle is incredibly good at blocking and knowing where her opponent is and where they might be.

That’s why out of everyone you listed. Varesa was like “is this a sneak?”

They’re both hypersonic
Both super strong

But Arlecchino is HYPERSONIC and HYPER AWARE. In combat. And have been since she was 17. She’s been fighting TO THE DEATH since she was a child. And blew up a whole building.

She was able to quickly and forcefully kick someone into a glass ceiling.
Ofc she puts up a good fight with Xiao but Arle won’t win. But Arle vs Varesa it’ll be a tie or Arle swamps

[odd thicket]

ig you can be right
Varesa probably loses to the crimson moon part of arlecchino's abilities (the moon moon)

Kujao Sara, nah
Itto hell nah
Yae Miko ? no, she shied away from Scaramouhe

most human characters other than varesa and maybe cyno are too weak to stop arle

Only chance is Childe if he grew stronger

The other human characters are too strong for arlecchino and not in the same neighbourhood when it comes to power

[lost quail]

Varesa might be fine against the webs and some of the spikes, but seeing as how Arle can combine her abilities. As well as shoot literal lasers and have her hyper awareness and focus and reflexes, home girl swamps but a tie is possible.

I agree with the last part

[odd thicket]

lasers are not the issue imo

[lost quail]

I’d argue Ganyu has the best chance

[odd thicket]

varesa can dodge those as well

[lost quail]

Yes they are. Are we

[odd thicket]

but its the crimson moon thats the problem

[lost quail]

Are we fr

[odd thicket]

yes fr

[lost quail]

Hhhhhh ok

[odd thicket]

the crimson stopped traveller in their tracks

Crimson moon is Arle's trump card

[lost quail]

Because I will pull up her boss fight for you to show you how Varesa would be cooked or it would be a tie if you’d like. Hell I’ll even download the game again and record.

Her crimson moon ability at the end was a literal domain expansion and hard paralysis.

They will get hits on each other. Arle more than Varesa. But seeing as how Arle has fast reflexes and adapts to combat as seen in the cutscene. I don’t know.

But what I do know is that she is Neuvillette’s victim

Period

She’s not beating him

I’m so serious

[odd thicket]

varesa was able to beat a god in his own domain as well

so it may not be as effect

she is a quasi god

with an ancient name

and if chatter is to be believed
varesa can be the next pyro archon in line after Iansan

[odd thicket]

most characters are not beating neuvillette

skirk maybe

rn the power scaling goes like this

[lost quail]

This is cope I’m not gon hold you
Because WE defeated gods in their domain. And we couldn’t even break from Arle’s paralysis. Like it’s kinda frustrating now lmao

[odd thicket]

PO > Sinners > Shades > Sovereigns ~= Skirk > Archons ~= Gods, adepti ~= Top 3 Harbingers ~= Harbingers 4 and 5 > Rest

[odd thicket]

the only gods we defeated in their domain is raiden with teh aid of all inazuman people
and
Apep, but she wanted to be cured

ig Moon powers are really that OP

[lost quail]

But let’s say she does. Let’s give her that ok? Let’s say Varesa can do that. If it’s in the crimson moon domain. She’s still cooked. I’m gonna be fair to Varesa on that, but she’s still cooked.

That’s why I said tie or Arle after a while.

[lost quail]

True

[odd thicket]

yeah i dont disagree there

top 3 are on the level of archons imo

a Clone of Dottore was stronger than everyone in Mondsdadt including dvalin
Capitano almost beat Mavuika

[lost quail]

Especially since she wasn’t even trying, meanwhile Varesa would be using her whole strength.

Also what you said wasn’t an opinion, you’re straight up right. They are

[lost quail]

Bro is the REAL Mr Worldwide

[odd thicket]

he is super interested in machinery

he was manufacturing ruin guards in liyue

which meant he knows the ins and outs of perpetually working machinery minus the abyss that is required to run them

he can manufacture azozite and likely be able to use phlogiston as well

[odd thicket]

i do find it funny that varesa very likely beats signora too

[lost quail]

SHE DOES LOLOL

[sly bison]

Anyone beats Signora with an offscreen buff tbh

[odd thicket]

Childe probably doesnt
but imo tsaritsa cannot judge his foul legacy powers

[sly bison]

He does

[odd thicket]

after whale he is likely stronger than scaramouche at least imo

or signora

50/50 on sandrone

we need more harbinger screen time smh

[lost quail]

I just refused to accept the notion that Varesa beats Arlecchino when we know Arlecchino is hyper focused with combat and reflexes and hypersonic. And I think the spikes and lasers are a genuine issue especially when we what she’s able to do with said spikes and lasers.

That was my only thing. But we can agree to disagree. I just like conversations

[lost quail]

Especially with you since you come by often

[lost quail]

Ugh YES

[sly bison]

By the end of the day powerscaling for plenty of video games, esp Genshin is just very scuffed as usual.

Esp with how much offscreen and out-of-context a good chunk of feats are.

There’s bound to be better ‘metrics’ whenever the anime finally airs.

[sly bison]

In an ideal timeline we’d prolly have as much spinoff comics focusing on several harbingers kinda like Hi3 does for several characters and past events too

Maybe

[median elm]

where did this varesa is op talk come from lol

[sly bison]

From vague comments of events not directly showcased lol

[lost quail]

I lowkey wanna fill them shoes and make a comic

[odd thicket]

Her story quest and 5.1 and 5.2 natlan AQ

[odd thicket]

How does that work

[sly bison]

Same way it did for how Hi3 does for certain side characters or when they’re detailing events not shown ingame, or similar prequel manga

[chilly anchor]

I don't believe sovereigns deserve to be any higher than archons. Skirk has the potential to be higher.

Elder Witches can be on the level of Sinners also.

PO > Shades >= Sinners = Hex Witch Elders > Skirk >= Dragon Sovereigns >= Archon/Gods >= Top 3 Harbingers >= everything else.

(Nibelung is kinda unrankable at this stage, same with Voyager.)

[odd thicket]

Sovereigns are certainly higher than archons
they controlled a whole seventh of Teyvat's elemental energies and are native to the Light Realm, immune to Elemental impurities unlike archons and humans.

Archons are still mere elemental beings or humans given higher authorities in Primordial One's schema; The only reason they have a legup over sovereigns is that celestia greatly diminished their powers and put them in thrones

i agree with the rest

but skirk is not yet at witch level or above neuv level

she is getting there though

anyways

I think it is easy to rank where Nibelung and Voyager where

You can assume Nibelung fought both First and Second at once as they jointly craftedf the gnoses out of his corpse

They had done this at great cost as Primordial One had their functions ruined but was still strong enough to punish the Until Then powerful voyager

[brazen bane]

crack theory: alice is the unknown god from the start of the game

"sustainer of the worlds borders" according to skirk

both have white hair and red powers/theme

maybe she just became more chill after having klee

[sly bison]

Witches are in kinda a fickle spot

We got one of the Hex members who doubles down as a Sinner and composite Shade too lol

[sly bison]

Shoot me a crack theory on if Klee and Alice are actually related as daughter and mother

[brazen bane]

in the same way as gold and albedo

she got a mini-me

[sly bison]

Noooo 😭

Just make Alice an actual mom gdi

I hate gacha for this cuz it might very well be the case

[chilly anchor]

Some of this isn't quite true though. I mean yeah, they had the elemental authority originally and were native to the Light Realm, that's true, I don't see how that immediately makes them more powerful though..
Not sure where you read that they are immune to elemental impurities, I don't know if that's true, I only remember seeing that they were pure elemental beings.

Archons being mere gods or whatever doesn't make them weaker. Some of them were powerful beings in their own right, even before obtaining authority, like Zhongli and Ei. Others even as mere mortals like Xbalanque were still able to take powerful foes down like Xihucoatl, that's even before getting authority.

I don't understand where this narrative comes from that dragon sovereigns are more powerful than archons. Some archons are not all that powerful sure, some are though and it's not like dragons are even shown to have triumphed against archons either.

[chilly anchor]

Yeah but it's not like the other elders consider Rhinedottir to be superior, Barbeloth and Nicole are considered visionaries much like Vedrfolnir and Alice has taken over the Sustainers role presumably.

[sly bison]

Their pride is on the line at this point

[odd thicket]

I like how we can view Nod Krai from Sumeru

[odd thicket]

They are pure elemental entities as in no excess elemental power could bother them.

Beings like Zhongli and Ei were likely carved out of Dragon Sovereign Corpses or produced in a fashion similar to Dragons.

Xbalanque did not take down Xiuhcoatl on equal footing, he faced a much weaker and degenerated Pyro Sovereign. He had to exploit the one weakness he had; his right eye that too he only learned of from Kukulkan. And he still died from the ordeal

Tldr; All of the dragon sovereigns bar neuvillette lack their authority or were foraged to create gods (like Egeria) or greatly diminished in strength after the first two wars.

[odd thicket]

Verdfolnir is still touted as the more superior visionary because of his power beyond the stars.

Spoilers for Nicole from Skirk’s voice lines : ||She is a seelie turned human||

Rhinedottir was the greatest alchemist until her own work took a great cost from her that required consuming Naberius

Alice is probably the strongest Witch in the Zirkil bar Rhine atm

[chilly anchor]

Yeah, I don't know where you read all of this, feels like some lore theory you read somewhere than actual lore.

Xihucoatl was trapped in his own lava last I checked and Azhdaha was sealed under the earth. So I don't think they are immune to being defeated by even their own elemental forces.

Idk where you get the idea that Zhongli and Ei was created by the dragon sovereigns either. I don't remember that ever being stated in game.

I don't think it matters that dragons were weakened, in fact, this fact only goes to prove that they were not invulnerable.

[chilly anchor]

I am not sure about all of this either.

Having power beyond the stars doesn't automatically = superior. At least I don't remember that ever being stated to be the case.

I don't think being turned human means being weak either. Khaenri'ahns were human and we're still formidable.

I don't know where you get the idea that Alice was the strongest either, I don't remember that ever being stated, but regardless, her being the most powerful doesn't mean the others weren't as powerful or close to her, after all, like I said, at no point does Alice consider herself superior to the others, neither the others consider themselves inferior or superior to her.

[odd thicket]

It is actual lore
Xiuhcoatl and as far as all Natlan Dragons are concerned, they are pure elemental beings based on phlogiston. Kukulkan says so in the Ancient Sacred Mountain Quest.

Xiuhcoatl was invincible in his phlogiston form, and was sealed inside it by the PO; by then he had lost the elemental authority or PO was able to impose his rules upon Teyvat

Azhdaha is not a sovereign, could have been the geo one after the war of vengeance but he was grievously wounded and left blinded.

Egeria was made from the Hydro Sovereign's corpse, and given Zhongli's adepti status (which are elemental beings) and Raiden's past life described as a "lightning spirit" and their immense strength, it is either that they were naturally freakish elemental occurrences or created by Celestia sometime around the time of the Second Who Came.

It matters that Dragons were weakened as the only ones who seemed capable to do it are Abyss or PO.

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir is superior as he can challenege the Heavenly Principle's system of Fate; Surtologi says like all other sinners even before cataclysm, he was unparalleled in his field.

Never implied that being turned human makes one weaker, only that she while she defied the HP there is still a noticeable gap in her prowess regarding premonition like Vedrfolnir.

Only said Alice could be the strongest, not that she considers herself superior to her peers. but as border master of Teyvat who has ventured across the universe there are few doubts to be made regarding her prowess.

Anyways

weapon skin lore is major Sinner Lore

Rerir Confirmed Moon Hunting

his weapon has an interesting name, like it stabbed irminsul or something

Rhinedottir is described as "transcendental"

Vedrfolnir's catalyst has a weird name, Gleipnir. A catalyst named after a ... rope ?

[stoic spade]

The rope odin used to hang himself with for knowledge perhaps? oh wait no that's the name of the rope holding Fenrir, who freed himself during ragnarok and killed Odin. Might be a metaphor about how Vedr holds the leech of fate or smt

[odd thicket]

he did unleash cataclysm (cringe ragnorak reference) on the world

[stoic spade]

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[sly bison]

the Ei and Zhongli part is just speculation at the moment (but they are indeed a sussy pair).

But Azhdaha’s status as possible Sovereign that fell massively from grace is still sth to be contested that we don’t have a clear answer on yet. But there is room to believe that he may have been at least of similar status to what Scylla was before Remuria fell.

Side note

Still thinking about how massively messed up it is to be people like Direidyth…

imagine being a devout follower towards your Savior, ||setting out to search for them, meet their Sibling, promise to give them a memento that you had met, causing a time loop that intersected with the current AQ, yet that same meeting also is what partially doomed your people as having your Saviour discover their Sibling was alive with their key as proof opted them to (immensely painstakingly prioritize them over you, but you don’t know this at all. And by the time the Cataclysm comes and takes away everything you love, including your own humanity and sanity, you only barely held onto that momento after all this time until that ‘chance’ meeting is set to repeat itself and start that cycle all over again.|| (Genshin 5.7)

[chilly anchor]

This changes nothing though.

Xihucoatl and the pyrovishap being pure elemental beings didn't make them invulnerable as again: Xihucoatl was trapped and frozen in lava and the pyrovishap were forced to devolve, they even abandoned their purity and their evolutionary path, to the point where, (a bit like the hydro dragon) the pyro dragon could no longer be reborn from amongst them.

Azhdaha is as much a sovereign as Apep is, if we're going by lore and status, and he's the only ancient dragon whose bloodline wasn't tainted beyond all recognition as well.

Egeria being made from the hydro dragons corpse doesn't mean all of the other gods were as well. Ei and Makoto being the purest incarnations of lightning as they were described doesn't mean they were created from the former electro dragon and even if it did, as denizens of the Primordial One, I am not sure how that would make them weaker unless stated otherwise. Egeria is her own unique being, lore and situation and should not be compared to the other archons, which each are also unique cases and beings of their own.

The dragons being weakened by the PO and Abyss doesn't really change anything, they so far have been the only foe until now, doesn't mean they can't fall victim to anything else, even in their prime.

[chilly anchor]

Where is it stated that only Vedrfolnir can challenge the HP system of fate and that he's superior because of it. Being unparalleled doesn't mean anything in this game unless you're like the PO and have tested that above all else. Many entities are glazed and called the greatest of this and the greatest that.

I still don't get your point, what is your basis for this so called gap in the power of their premonition then? Since it's not the fact that she is a human now after all..

Okay, your point about Alice and the other witches so far just seems to be theory craft which is fine, but like your other comments, it's still unproven in the games lore, whatever doubts you have, to draw a line about them should be backed up by a concrete statement in the games lore imo.

[chilly anchor]

Almost everything here is just speculation not Zhongli or Ei.

All of the ancient dragon sovereigns fell from grace, not just Azhdaha, I thought this was made abundantly clear already. And I don't know where this idea comes from to suggest that Azhdaha could be of similar status to Scylla, when Scylla is called a prince and Azhdaha is called the ancestor and king, Azhdaha shares the same title and status as other ancient dragons like Apep, so I hold him in the same regard, in fact, in higher regard as though their bloodlines fell from purity, his did not.

[sly bison]

Yes, but Azdhaha is the most crippled one we’ve seen yet, is what I was getting at.

But yeah I don’t disagree with the rest

[chilly anchor]

Yeah but would it have really changed anything, the Sibling would still have pursued the Loom of Fate directive and still tried to change the fate of Khaenri'ah in whatever way they could regardless of whatever Direidyth would or wouldn't have done/caused no..

[sly bison]

Perhaps not.

But the point is, lives like Diredyth were treated as utter bad jokes in the grand scheme of things.

Same with Caribert

[chilly anchor]

Is he though.. yeah he was crippled by Erosion but Apep was no better, she was also on her deathbed and would have died if Nahida arrived any later, Xihucoatl was in far worse condition by the end of his life also. Whilst we don't know much about the hydro dragon, it is stated that they too withered away, I think that is just the fate of an incomplete ancient dragon.
Unlike the others though, should Azhdaha die, he could still have been reborn from amongst his own kind as they didn't abandon the evolutionary path.

[chilly anchor]

Yeah that's true, but I still think their part to play isn't meaningless, even if they are forced to such unfortunate fates.

[sly bison]

Azhdhaha was reduced to a mere nugget of a rock that couldn’t see jack by the time Zhongli found him lol

You tell me

Xihucoatl was already ultra gimped but we never saw him at that point

Hence

“That we’ve seen”

At least Apep was for the most part “functioning” even if was approaching a time bomb state

Azdhaha was pitiful and helpless

Is what I was getting at

[sly bison]

I never said meaningless tho…

It’s cruel and fucked up as hell

Which is good

They gotta capitalize on that more and more on the way to the eventual Khaenri’ah version

Esp now that ||we’ve got a solid basis for how we’ll get to explore it||

[chilly anchor]

That's just tall tales, when he was found he was trapped within the earth and blinded from the lack of light and that was all, erosion had not completely taken hold until much further down the line.

We don't see either Azhdaha or Xihucoatl in the past but we have descriptions of them. I mean, yeah being blind could be considered pitiful but he was still a colossal ancient elemental dragon powerful enough to sink the very bedrock upon which he stood.

[twilit fern]

do we have confirmation that azhdaha is geo sovereign though

[sly bison]

Are you sure it’s just tall tales?Nothing contradicts that Zhongli made him a new body at all. And it all still coincides with how Zhongli helped him.

[sly bison]

No hard confirmation

[twilit fern]

afaik he's a geovishap lord?

[sly bison]

But a good amount to suggest it

[chilly anchor]

I know, I am only trying to make the point that there was at least some solace to be taken from the situation as bad as it is. Like, you could say was the case for Capitano by the end.

[twilit fern]

vishaps were from light realm but different from sovereign, no?

[chilly anchor]

If confirmation is being directly called the Geo Dragon Sovereign, then no, but other than that he's as good a dragon sovereign as it gets.
Azhdaha is not alone here either, Apep isn't actually called the Dendro dragon sovereign in game either, she is just called Dendro dragon or dragon king, exactly like Azhdaha. I think people just skip over Azhdaha because he doesn't talk about his past.

[chilly anchor]

I think you mean, that he is the "overlord of the geovishap" and shares an evolutionary relationship with them, which is customary for the ancient elemental dragon sovereign as these are the ancestors of the elemental vishap.

[chilly anchor]

Yes, if you listen to the words of Zhongli and Azhdaha as well as Liyue legend, they are different from the tales of story tellers like Iron Tongue Tian. You can believe Iron Tongue Tian but it's not the words of Zhongli or Azhdaha. Remember, Zhongli only says that he gave Azhdaha eyes and Azhdaha only thanks Zhongli for granting him the ability to see the sun again, not giving him a body. Azhdaha was existent enough to cause the earthquakes that would threaten to sink Liyue, these same earthquakes are what summoned Zhongli to Azhdaha's location in the first place.

[sly bison]

While a valid point, I don’t see it enough as reason to completely dismiss it given the context of many other major events from prior. Esp when the story nor the narrative go out their way to ‘correct’ or say otherwise.

Esp when there’s a track record for other such things

So I’ll hold until we get further elaboration as to what Azdhaha is in the future

In line with the other dragons he’s mentioned beside

[chilly anchor]

I mean, what context matters except the context given directly from Azhdaha and Zhongli's mouth? Zhongli even corrects Iron Tongue Tian to say that Rex Lapis was not capable of creations as complex as a vishap when debating history with the story teller and Azhdaha is a great deal more complex than a vishap.

[sly bison]

Do hit me up with these quotes since it’s been a minute pls

[sly bison]

We have the Great War against the HP for one

Same battle that led to numerous sovereigns either incapacitated or gimped to differing levels

[chilly anchor]

I mean only other dragons he's mentioned beside are Apep and Dvalin so far and whilst neither are explicitly stated to be dragon sovereigns, they have varying degrees of implication.

[chilly anchor]

Oh, that far back... Well I don't get what difference that would make, the dragon sovereigns were not the only dragons to fight in that war, they had entire armies of vishap dragons behind them.

[odd thicket]

ig there was miscommunication in the dragons' elemental purity on both. but we agree on the same things there.

Does Azhadaha remember Teyvat before PO like Apep can ? it is pedantic but memories make the person and azhdaha is not wholly sovereign without them; he has also lost his "purity"

You can make a strong case for most of the first generation archons being descended from Dragons one way or another; Adepti's beginnings are eerily resemblant of Kukulkan's and other Dragon Civilisation tech, of etching memories and information onto elemental energy to produce conscious sentient beings. Raiden and Makato could have been an occurrence related to the Electro Sovereign as pure lightning spirits later adopted by Celestia.

Egeria's situation can be a reflection of what other shades had done to Dragon remains and tech; Istaroth has her 1000 sacred winds (1 of whom was allegedly Venti, sent to aid humanity). Rukhadevata could also be such a case, borne of Dragon's primordial herbiculture and employed by celestia but we have no clue to her origins

Also, i agree to that last para somewhat. Skirk can definitely take on a full sovereign or two, but sovereigns are undisputedly the strongest native of teyvat we meet thus far, bar the moons

[sly bison]

Apep is clearly a Sovereign. Dvalin is explicitly not, but his origins are a curious thing that are almost if not even less clarified than Azdhaha.

[sly bison]

Thing is, we have plenty of things to suggest that Azdhaha was far far more than your average high ranking Vishap too.

[sly bison]

I do loosely recall the earliest mentions of a usurper was made by Azdhaha in Zhongli SQ2

[chilly anchor]

Iron Tongue Tian: There was this one time when I told him, "See, my story first tells of how Rex Lapis carved Azhdaha out of a magical rock and then elaborates on how they fought side-by-side across the four corners of the world. Isn't that just mesmerizing?"
Iron Tongue Tian: Yet he said: "The story is a true masterpiece save for some inaccurate details. According to some researchers, Rex Lapis may not have possessed the skills required to create such a work of craftsmanship."

[chilly anchor]

Apep is never explicitly stated to be one though, so why are you so sure on her and not Azhdaha, they share the same titles and status as each other.
Even Dvalin, how are you so certain that he's "explicitly not" where is it stated that he's explicitly not, we know that he's the anemo dragon, the former ruler of his elemental domain and he is also a kind of vishap of the light realm himself like Neuvillette and the other elemental dragons.

[chilly anchor]

Okay, so I don't get your point. He's the highest ranking of dragon of the Geo elemental bloodline. Which is what the dragon sovereigns are historically no..

[odd thicket]

In skirk's introduction, Vedrfolnir reveals he and 3 other sinners had successfully escaped the Fate PO had laid out for them and are free to write their own. Also, he is the only person thus far whom we see had directly defied PO's rules by giving a cursed Khaenrian a true death, and to a lesser impressive feat, given Dainsleif a cheatcode to impede the erosion wrought by immortality.

Vedrfolnir glaze is much warranted and not overselling his prowess at all, as a Sinner whose actions shook the world many times over he is above the leagues of a random schmuck praised the best in their nowhere town.

this gap in power rests in being able to change fate and view their true fate and stars, unlike other oracles such as mona and barbeloth whom despite the knowledge of the Fake Sky, operate with it. Nicole is thorough with those rules and fate as well and can subvert it if attempted. Not dinigerating any of them, but Vedrfolnir is simply a step above the rest with being able to change fate entirely rather than follow it through differently.

The issue with the concrete confirmations is that we know an abstract functioning of a system and allusions to a group, and this "theory" cohesively fills many gaps, is pretty much confirmed true, but is shy of a plain confirmation. Case in point : Seelies being Angels in the past, the importance of memories and their relation to elemental energy, and finally the time space existence of Leylines

most of the information pertaining to this had been out in the open for years but lacked a definite conclusion to shortcut through different findings put together

[odd thicket]

hmm
should revisit his quest lines then.

The crater site by the side of the side of the stony halls in chasm is though to have been the site of defeat for the geo sovereign, with massive geo formations implying a big eruption

[odd thicket]

yep, a tragic tale

There is a story book from 1.0 that allegedly describes whatever Sibling is planning to do

That only the future can save the past

[odd thicket]

There is still the case of the bloodstained knight left unfinished

He had made his way to Khaenriah after killing the Viridescent Hunter

wonder if Hoyo plans to let us explore both khaenriahs

the old one has ultra ruin guards we have not seen yet

[odd thicket]

his boss description is the most silent confirmation that we would ever get
perhaps in a lantern rite the explicit one is issued

[sly bison]

Ah so it was in a world quest rather than in Zhongli SQ2.

Then fair enough.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Tales_Behind_the_Fan

[chilly anchor]

We don't know how much Azhdaha remembers of the past because it's never spoken about in the game. From his statements about Zhongli and humanity, we know that he's existed before both, knows of their true nature and remembers what Teyvat was like from before their time.
Azhdaha is an incomplete dragon without authority, but that doesn't mean that he's no longer pure, his bloodline has not yet strayed the evolutionary path of Geo and he himself mentions that he can still reincarnate should he die.

Well you can argue that some gods are created from dragons as a theory but it's just a theory, we know that not all were, what about Venti, Mavuika and other gods that never became archons like Andrius, their origins are clearly distinct from dragons. Adepti is even less clear, given that Zhongli is the original adeptus, beyond that their origins are unknown, it's distinct from that of normal creation but not stated to be related to the vishap of the elemental vishap realm so I don't know what to say about all of that. They are beings shrouded in mystery.

How do we know that the thousand winds are linked to the dragons.. so far it's just been linked to Istaroth and Venti, so can we really be sure that it's the same as Egeria's case?

I don't even know about Skirk. Yeah, she could be stronger that the dragons but it's never explicitly stated either, only so far she claims to be equal to Neuvillette. It is also possible in her prime that she will defeat Surtalogi, so maybe but either way, I won't draw lines until there is more explicit confirmation.

[chilly anchor]

Alright maybe, idk, well either way, I gotta read through all of that again because I didn't interpret it that way the first time at all. You could be right. I'll double check myself first though.

[sly bison]

I’ll concede on the wording for explicitly not for now. Whenever he’s mentioned alongside other dragons the main draw for the topic is that he’s far far younger than the major ones we’ve met. But it doesn’t discount him from being related to one somehow just yet. But where are you getting that he’s “the Anemo dragon” (rather than ‘an Anemo dragon’) or that he’s the former ruler of his own domain from?

[sly bison]

Disregard it. It’s no longer relevant with Iron Tongue’s comments on Zhongli consulted with him.

(If I get any pings I’m replying much later going to sleep)💤

[chilly anchor]

He's never called "an anemo dragon" in the game, he is only referred to as "the anemo dragon or the wind dragon" for example the book "Breeze Amidst The Forest" and his boss title, which also refers to him as "the former king of the skies". It is also acknowledged by greater honkaiverse lore, where one Otto Apocalypse calls Dvalin as the Anemo elemental dragon of Teyvat iirc.

[odd thicket]

I agree with you on azhdaha

Venti is related to the Istaroth possibly as her creation, but from herself or Anemo Sovereign is unclear. I agree with u.

Andrius was a regular animal given powers by a Shade or a Moon Sister or a Seelie. That was covered in 1.x

Natlan's gods were different as they took first form far far later than their peers, a mere 2600 before the events of the game.

Adepti are closer to slimes than Vishaps imo, amassing enough elemental energy and consciousness to be sociable and sentient but not enough to be truly of the light realm or chase purity like vishaps can.

Skirk can certainly beat neuvillette imo, via abyssal corruption. Though with full authority it may not be possible. But we are let to know she was equipped to fight a starving, deadlier narwhal

[odd thicket]

Also, How does PO and 4 shades mirror the 5 sinners when King Irmin exists and likely took a sixth of the forbidden knowledge ?

[civic pumice]

Yo why doesn't Surtalogi want to fight Dainsleif? He must know about him, right? If Surtrlogi wants the greatest fight of all time, does he not consider Dainsleif powerful enough for that? And if Dainsleif isn’t strong enough to defeat even one of the Five Sinners Surtalogi seeks vengeance against.. how is he supposed to have his vengeance or is he just mistaken that he can have it, am I missing something — or is it just a limitation of the game?

[lilac coral]

@onyx fossil they fully animated your wife for a KFC ad

https://youtu.be/2hIUUZm0Hs8?si=Qu9VhNUOxwxGRZBZ

[onyx fossil]

no fucking way

[onyx fossil]

I LOVE MY WIFE HE IS SO PRETTY

[lilac coral]

HE ISSSS

[mental flame]

KFC irl lore: I make tasty chicken in Kentucky and sell it
KFC collabs lore:

[lilac coral]

First he was a real man, then he was a cartoon, then a husbando in his very own dating game, and now he's a robot trapping anime men in cages for some secret recipes

[sly bison]

Sup KC

[lilac coral]

Yo

[odd thicket]

Dainsleif wont give a satisfactory fight

or he is unaware of Dain's survival on Teyvat

Dain would kill without giving Surtologi what he wanted

[spark portal]

Hey, does anybody remember the character who gives the idea to bring Furina to the court on the final act?

[reef axle]

Neuvillete brings up putting her on trial. How to actually bring her there was a group discussion that happened off-screen

Neuvillette: Everyone in her inner circle has noticed that she is hiding some secret. The issue is her attitude. I fear that she will not reveal anything unless absolutely forced to.
Neuvillette: We may have to create a situation in which she will have no choice but to speak.
Paimon: Oh? Like what?
Neuvillette: Normally, people will only reveal the truth when standing trial. Perhaps we must have the Hydro Archon experience just such a scenario.

^From Hunters, Prophets, the quest right before the trial one.

[odd thicket]

Finally done with the unusual hilichurl

it was fitting that its final spot was the Cliff overlooking the Musk Reef

[civic pumice]

yeahhh kinda self preference of choosing to die in a battle with a student he trained rathar than an enemy... its just understandable if thats the case... no idea when that that will happen so we might never get to witness it

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/dementus-furiosa-mad-max-chris-hemsworth-make-it-epic-gif-6724572874613491354

Basically this
He gave me heavy dementus vibes

From the story quest

[civic pumice]

heavy indeed, seems like every(enough) arc has already been created to which feels like nothing but like what you have already seen 😐 — now its just a matter of which artist delivers that experience to you first in your content log

[odd thicket]

Welkin moon theme can be heard in the We will be reunited trailer

[sly bison]

Now that the Welkin moon story line starts next patch

What is on your mind wishlist of things to see from 5.8 throughout 6.x

Story/lore only

[lilac coral]

What the other shades look like

As well as po

[odd thicket]

Black Serpent lore

also if Skirk is stronger than Iniquitous Baptists

nvm
she should be

but imo she should be weaker than abyss sibling

Abyss order can capture and corrupt elemental energy

Skirk merely mimics and masks her abyss power

[sly bison]

Only if they present themselves like otherworldly cosmic freaks like Ronova did pls

https://tenor.com/view/ronova-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-archon-quest-capitano-gif-12071891198098221610

[lilac coral]

Agreed

But having po be some magnificent, angelic being that's massive and otherworldly like the hsr goons (specifically Sunday and phainon), that'd just be fantastic

Also I really want to learn more about nibelung but idk if that'll even be touched upon in nod krai

[odd thicket]

he has to be

he created the moons

and also destroyed them

[sly bison]

Source?

[odd thicket]

5.2 Och Kan Natlan Mural

[white nimbus]

I don't think so. The abyss sibling admitted that they're no match for Dainsleif in the Bedtime Story AQ. And Skirk is definitely as strong as or stronger than Dainsleif. I haven't played the 5.7 AQ so if something new was revealed there, I don't know about it

[odd thicket]

Nah, Dain is far stronger than Skirk

She ran away from him when they met

And that was an unserious, curious Dain slowly becoming agitated

[odd thicket]

5.7 shows why he is likely a league or two above her

[white nimbus]

Oh ok, thanks for not revealing too much

[sly bison]

Which one tho

[odd thicket]

the second one

that is unhelpful

it is the mural with a large white dragon with the moon symbol underneath it

the dragon's frame is the same as the one in 5.0 underground temple depicting a black dragon burning irminsul

[sly bison]

That seems pretty inconclusive imo

Skirk simply says she backed out cuz she found dealing with him more bothersome than it was worth when she was just looking to hold a conversation. Unless Skirk’s SQ suggests sth different (I’m still going through it), the new AQ doesn’t seem to suggest much in the way of this either.

[odd thicket]

for the sake of Flash, ill spoiler

In the new AQ, ||Dain effortlessly tears through the whole Abyss Order and tortures the Iniquitous Baptist, whose abyss powers may be stronger than Skirk's. ||

Dain also has ||Abyss countering powers||

[sly bison]

This just tells me Dainslef has more time to spare tbh.

[odd thicket]

i dont get you

The whole time in teh AQ it was an ||unserious Dainsleif||

Skirk was about to face a ||Serious one||

dont forget that Dainsleif led the black serpent knights of which ||Surtologi was also once a part of||

he has just enough experience

[queen prawn]

||Skirk will become stronger once she and Traveler fight Surtalogi, because she is in the abyss and time flow very slow there ,while Dain still travel around||

[sly bison]

I’m trying to associate why you think:

An ||IB|| is sth so far out Skirk is sth would struggle far more with
why an unexplained support mechanics is that reliably indicative of Dain’s power level. All it does it one shot elemental shields/enemies like a nuke every several seconds. But we don’t know how this translates to lore/in-world stuff. Hell, Skirk even ||freezes|| abyssal enemies without even using ||hydro|| all on her own in in-game cutscenes.

This is why I’m really not big on video game powerscaling lol…

[odd thicket]

Dain is still confident of going after Sinners so clearly he must have a plan

[sly bison]

Dain’s plan is to hit them

[odd thicket]

Dainsleif was ||able to dog walk the IB many dozen times, and would have beaten Twin if he did not feel guilty||

[sly bison]

really hard

Trust me bro

[odd thicket]

I can see him win

Somehow

Dain should be able to beat ||Skofgungr||

who is relative to Surtologi in strength

[odd thicket]

Trust you

Completely

He drops traveller from celestia orbit to nuke them

[sly bison]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

[odd thicket]

Dain is tricky because very few item pieces give his lore

His only feat until now being frightening away Skirk

https://tenor.com/view/dainsleif-daddy-dainsleif-genshin-impact-genshin-wish-that-were-me-gif-21148250

His power is weird

Is it khemia ?

[lilac coral]

He does????

Jesus 😭

I feel like that alone is a scary feat to achieve

[mental flame]

Skork

[sly bison]

Not necessarily

At one time, he was Master's rival. At another, they were best friends, apparently... I had hoped he might give me some more information about Master, but the moment he recognized my style of bladework, he got very agitated and demanded to know Master's whereabouts. I don't want to deal with him. Hopefully I don't run into him again any time soon.

And she says this pretty nonchalantly too

But it’s pretty inconclusive to say that Dain stomps Skirk based on this alone since this implies a number of things

But he’s certainly bothersome enough for her to be around

[lilac coral]

Oh okay

I haven't done the quest yet so I was like "does he just display so much power it actually frightens her away?"

But yeah that is fair

[odd thicket]

the archon quest is a fair showcase of dain's reach

but after Skirk SQ we learn there a few things she fears and keeps away from

she has fought the bakunawa ( that mavuika also has and barely made it out alive) and she has fought the worst abyssal creatures on teyvat thus far there in mare jivari and hyperborea
but avoids dain who was once her master's rival

[lilac coral]

Cool

[odd thicket]

It would be bad storytelling if Dain is constantly searching for sinners without being equipped to handle at least one

[sly bison]

‘Bad’ storytelling is Genshin’s middle name tho

[odd thicket]

There is also the matter of the final unaccounted sixth of the Forbidden Knowledge

The abyss herald in the very first Dain Quest hints that he senses some abyss powers within him

Similar to his own

[sly bison]

Bro got folded offscreen like a chump not long after talking smack about how much he’d jump 5 chads with “world-shattering powers”

[odd thicket]

And its pretty much explicit that forbidden knowledge makes heralds, lectors and baptists and sinners

[odd thicket]

He didnt go all out vs sibling

He is too emotional to fight them

As told by sibling themselves

Right after

Dain would have massacred the whole of Abyss Order’s armies, so sibling confronts him instead with dangling their unresolved enmity/ a talk as bait

[sly bison]

And it was apparently so badly to the point he was practically limping. With zero measurable feats from either.

I keep telling you guys.

Trying to take powerscaling that seriously in plenty of games, especially in Genshin is a waste of mental juice. Just look at how Signora folded for goodness sake.

Your best bet is to take certain things at a broad ‘hierarchy’ scale but be open that it’s not as clear cut.

Nuevillete at this point frankly is at a status that’s way above any of the Seven at their base. But not all the Seven are equal in terms of combat ability

All Skirk said about Dain is she’d rather not ‘deal with him’. Not that she’s got her tail between her legs at his massive sigma aura. Period.

[odd thicket]

Its not sigma aura chill

[sly bison]

I am chill. Point still stands buddy.

Until Dain is actually showing us what bark he’s got for his bite without the camera zooming out or fading to black how much of a stronk fellow he really is as broad as can be compared to others.

[odd thicket]

Dain could have let the Sibling beat him back and blue out of self pity and guilt for his own actions. He was practically oozing both every time he mentions the sibling.

[sly bison]

Sure would be nice if we had sth remotely similar about Signora jobbing instead of
“wtf?! So strong! 😭”

[odd thicket]

Even though Sibling ||abandons Khaenriah during cataclysm||, Dain doesnt rebuke her for it rather he accepts the same charge levied upon him in the very first traveller quest

[odd thicket]

If the special summon dain is any pointer he can completely null abyss corruption of elements and totems while also dismembering lectors and heralds

In Och Kan Natlan that too

[odd thicket]

Too early , too early

But he is definitely crossing into main archon quests next patch if Rerir indeed leads the Wild Hunt

May the day his fraud status vanishes come sooner

[odd thicket]

If you want to bring up relative scales, ||Skofgungr|| had Skirk run for her money

And he was an ||unimpressive Khaenrian noble|| next to the big names

The 5.7 aq must have been a testing ground to have a heavier npc involvement in the gameplay

[sly bison]

Besides

With how much Dainslef keeps to himself the story is either gonna:

expose him as a fraud and he gets his ass kicked like a chump against the first Sinner we properly meet ingame
gradually build up on Dain’s “plans” going forward on the way to the Khaenri’ah version after what the current AQ has recently established
bro pulls a Deus ex magic field tiller eye out his ass and calls it a day

We just ain’t got diddly squat to go on with current info with how much more grander Sinners are looking to be when Suralogi himself tamed a space Narwhal that could ||gulp a whole ass planet|| if it was hungry enough

[odd thicket]

Field tiller’s relevance is gone by now

[sly bison]

Not the point

I’m referring to an asspull

[odd thicket]

Anyways
I have a feeling that Sinners being this glazed at this point in the story is a red herring

[sly bison]

And that’s dependent on how much the Teyvat chapter is gonna even deep dive into all the Sinners anyways

Like

Color me

[odd thicket]

Nod Krai has to have at least one show up

[sly bison]

Unsurprised

[odd thicket]

5.6 was a cope out for rhinedottir

[sly bison]

If we don’t even meet all five by the time the Teyvat chapter even ends

And they carry over into whatever follows

[odd thicket]

The shades are still frightened of PO and have to meander about his rules to disobey him

And it was PO’s idea to have the traveller siblings locked inside teyvat

[odd thicket]

Only Hroaptatyr meets that bill

The other four are due for an appearance

[sly bison]

Who knows

Just make sure y’all’ don’t get too worked up over aura farm hype of crumbs and loosely described feats and be disappointed when the first Sinner that shows up doesn’t cause any more collatoral damage to the overworld than Arlechinno did in her SQ 😭

[odd thicket]

Rerir , likely with Wild Hunt
Vedrfolnir, already made an appearance with Caribert
Rhinedottir, possible crumbs in mare jivari and nod krai with more witches out in the open
Surtologi- sometime soon in sneznaya or khaenriah chapter

[odd thicket]

Not worked over aura farms or hype much

I expect the sinners to be shitfaced after meeting the traveller and their overblown prowess to be a misdirection

We already have the hints for it with traveller’s special purification/ power stealing abilities

[sly bison]

So-so. Even Traveler got outglazed by Arlechinno.

But put the Sinners in Hi3 and I assure you:
They’ll be glazed and more likely to show for it even more with ridiculous high end cinematics 😂

[odd thicket]

Key reason why i got turned off by hi3, hsr
Too much spice

[odd thicket]

Traveller was never big on combat though

[sly bison]

Sus

[odd thicket]

Spice= too much glazing

[sly bison]

I mean Genshin in general was never big on combat in story outside of the gameplay anyways

It’s an adventure story first and foremost

Any combat done is an occasional means to an end

But when they wanna glaze they’ll gun for it decently enough

Esp now that traveler is actually being showcased with their elements more and more finally after a while

😭

[odd thicket]

Another reason to be skeptical of sinners is that despite their hyped powers and feats none of them are descenders

And we have next to no info on the PO’s arrays, or the Moon’s.

[sly bison]

I mean counterpoint
Surtalogi alone busted open a hole into Teyvat with how much he’s had to say about the cosmos beyond too

Which was very likely from the outside

[odd thicket]

Yeah, its a 5050
Natlan traveller glaze was nauseous
But story quest and event glaze was done very well

[sly bison]

He might not even necessarily be hanging around Teyvat atm if he’s scavaging around for someone to fight

Who’s to say about the rest

[odd thicket]

We dk about the PO though
Even though Surtologi could do that, his fate is still tied to the end of ||Skirk’s blade||

[sly bison]

Nah PMC was fine

It’s the right amount of ‘glaze’ they actually needed for a while

Now that picking up a new element isn’t sth as anticlimactic as touching the nearest landmark statue

There’s more meaningful build up to it story wise

[odd thicket]

PO was able to fend off two descenders at once

Fight a much stronger abyssal entity (Nibelung)

Its odd we have no info on their actions since 6000 odd years ago in the story until travellers’ introduction (which was 5 years ago)

[sly bison]

Anyway I slep

[odd thicket]

Gn

[sly bison]

No more pings

[queen prawn]

We need full Shade lore first

Some people underestimate them just because they dont leave Teyvat and commit war crime across multi-verse

[odd thicket]

and Rhinedottore ate one

[odd thicket]

i want to firmly sit on the hill that the first seelie was the fifth shade

both PO and seelies had crowns

[lost quail]

Something just popped up in my head…

We don’t really see some characters run in the story. Only in game play..

Am I trippin? Cuz when have we seen Arle run or use her legs.

Or Yae Miko run in story. We just see them walk
Where’s the urgency

[sweet dune]

i mean can you imagine arle or yae running anywhere

they don't usually have the models run

[lilac coral]

It really just depends on what exactly the context is, because we have seen plenty of characters run during dialogue or fully animated cutscenes (when characters rush to us during dialogue to check on an emergency, that cutscene with the fight between kujou sara and kokomi's army) and arle hasn't really been in a situation that's dire enough for her to really run I think? She stays calm and collected much of the time, and with yae she is pretty much in the same boat- she doesn't really have a reason to run and most stuff she does she's very, very calm about

[sly bison]

We see folks running besides travel but it’s pretty selective and depending on the situation

We’ve also never seen Yae in a situation where she’s that desperate either

She usually keeps herself calm and collected

[sly bison]

It happens in non serious situations too

Esp when characters are hyped or sth

They scurry off somewhere else like elementary schoolers

[lilac coral]

Yeah lol

[white nimbus]

Yeah when they run to watch Lantern Rite performances

[median elm]

not too familiar with nod krai

do they have a higher being watching them a la archons?

[lilac coral]

Maybe

At the very least, we know that there's a group there that worships the moon, but we don't have concrete status on if they're ruled by some god as far as I'm aware, just that it's a lawless land

[odd thicket]

skirk has shattered and mimics the elements of teyvat
dain has no element
hm

[odd thicket]

it would look goofy
seeing neuv, arle, and other adult self insured characters run feels wrong

[odd thicket]

unless its a background plot busted by ayato

[odd thicket]

not yet
the april may moon event hints that nod krai's archon like figure is a new moon goddess

[sly bison]

His ‘element’ is encrypted

But some attempts have been made years ago to decrypt it. Which curiously lines up interestingly to whole serpent/snake theme thatce further being expanded on to this day

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/v66jek/the_dainsleifs_decryption_directors_cut/

[sly bison]

Eh. Yae’s lost her cool to way more than that.

[odd thicket]

Is it to the shrine maidens ?

[sly bison]

Not even close.
To actual light novel rivals like in her own SQ lmao.

[odd thicket]

the conclusion was off by a bit

but it landed on ||Vedrfolnir's ring|| instead

so his actual element is still a mystery

[odd thicket]

ah forgotten that

its been

2.5 years since i played that

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-old-lady-finally-its-been84years-rose-de-witt-bukater-gif-4713500

lemme rewatch his trailer

also
nod krai may not actually be chapter or act 6 of the archon quest

act vi is solely Sneznaya's

[odd thicket]

he says humanity will defy the world with a power from beyond

yeah, he is using abyss here

no doubts

"threads of all fate will be yours to re weave"

traveller is definitely recreating teyvat after it is destroyed

citlali's story quest, whole of natlan archon quest, and ||5.7 archon quest|| all point towards this direction

https://youtube.com/shorts/X7PqLXAnKeg?feature=shared

https://youtube.com/shorts/qXVMgGUBIu0?feature=shared

Also from this marketting, his ground slams invoke a symbol with the same frame as the black serpent knight drops

[sweet dune]

He is former captain of their royal guard

[lost quail]

Can you imagine seeing Arle run?

[mental flame]

why wonder, you can see them run when you have them

[odd thicket]

she would just dash around like in her boss fight

[lilac coral]

The Barbara birthday art makes me miss the original golden apple archipelago

https://fxtwitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1941346323657015805

Genshin Impact (@GenshinImpact)

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︀︀The waves keep the rhythm, the seabirds flutter around in dance... Even the Sun Crabs can join in, waving seagrass batons!
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FxTwitter · Jul 5, 2025, 4:00 AM

Like it was so serene and straight up felt like a vacation

[onyx fossil]

ive been summoned

[lilac coral]

And little klee in the background in her flaotie

Hello golden apple archipelago

[odd thicket]

didnt even notice klee until you pointed out

[lilac coral]

Lol

[spark portal]

Golden golden golden

[onyx fossil]

Yes?

[spark portal]

Testing.

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-11441177777575212582

Golden

[onyx fossil]

What

[odd thicket]

Is there any info on the natlan nail

From 5.5 quest

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1jjzlmp/version_55_world_quest/

can anyone xplain what this holy soil of natlan is

[reef axle]

That bit there is almost a 1:1 copy of the only quote we have on it

[odd thicket]

i think this was because holy soil was very prone to abyssal infiltration

or draconic evolution

influenced by abyss

[sweet dune]

it's in the night realm

you can see it during totem challenges according to wiki

[odd thicket]

yes
i need to revisit them today

there are two ways to visiti

once via any totem after completing every other totem

the other special totem outside the stadium

[sweet dune]

location plz

[odd thicket]

its at the ponds outside

or better described, the bog

[sweet dune]

can't find

nvm found it

why isn't it listed in wiki...

[odd thicket]

it is a special totem

it should be listed separately, under an achievement

it leads to an alternate stadium with a cat

ghostly cat

[sweet dune]

yeah i saw

so many chests

[spark portal]

If more people know this set of quotes, I think some people would understand why Aether is the main marketed mc in genshin

[odd thicket]

yeah

and besides

lumine as mc works too if they paid attention during sumeru quest

[spark portal]

What? Give me evidences

I hope it's not jeht's quest

[odd thicket]

jeht is not related to samsara

its that the whole of teyvat chapter is a samsara

one cycle the traveller is aether

the next one it is lumine

like htat

that

their gender changes very little

[spark portal]

Ah, the little note on that island near the big ass tower in Fontaine

[odd thicket]

i am anticipating that reveal sometime soon

[odd thicket]

Rene de Petrichor was listing four kingdoms that were destroyed in their samsara and divined that teyvat is the last

In order: Hyperborea, Remuria, Natlantea and Khaenriah

and simulanka confirms that the big bad villain at the end of a story is always a big brooding dragon

Hyperborea: Nibelung
Remuria: Scylla
Natlantea: Mad Xiuhcoatl
Khaenriah: ||Nibelung / Irmin||

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and tbf, much to lumine mains chargin, she works really good as villain / Abyss Princess

aether being angry or indignant or focused as a villain is just too wrong

hes got super golden retriever energy

[sly bison]

Aether arguably has the better color palette than Lumine for that role

But that’s it

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Finally got her

[queen prawn]

Nice

[lilac coral]

Nice

[mental flame]

Nice

[odd thicket]

Til there are two goldens in this server

[lilac coral]

Oh there are many Goldens in the server

But only one we (lore team) care about

[reef axle]

And only one golden with a name ping

[onyx fossil]

Its true

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I feel stupid for neglecting Vedrfolnir in the archon quest lmao

Sustainer, Istaroth and Vedrfolnir all knew

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From kqm lore thread; Dainsleif surely killed Irmin

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Addendum

[reef axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvXVmvW8ZQw

It's hereeeeeeeee

Shades VA and appearance reveal 👀

[white nimbus]

Whoa let's gooo

[reef axle]

Oh neat, Asmoday name confirmed

Columbina confirmed for Nod Krai 👀👀👀

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where

[reef axle]

Very end of the video

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oh

okay

i am rewatching it

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its not the same garden lumine loves is it

[reef axle]

Looks like different flowers

[odd thicket]

hmm

[white nimbus]

This teaser is so wild. Do we know what the Palestar Edict is?

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its to call all fatui to the centre of their plan iirc

[stoic spade]

So is it hinting at Paimon being asmoday with the whole "new master" thing?

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MAYBE

paimon and asmoday are not in the same space and time in 5.7

unless paimon is asmoday in disguise and

[white nimbus]

I wonder if they'll still release a Nod-Krai teaser with the cast like Overture & Ignition

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sneaked into the time domain of istaroth

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july 25

[white nimbus]

Just speculation for now

Based on previous teasers

[stoic spade]

Istaroth looks ready to leave hp asap lmao

[white nimbus]

Yeah she sounds so bored. Or maybe that's just how she sounds

[stoic spade]

Technically ronova wavered a bit when she mentionned asmoday switched sides, wonder if it’s hinting at their playabality

Anyway that was a neat trailer

[white nimbus]

They'd be so OP if they were playable. But it would be a shame to not sell those designs

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Asmoday found a new master

[kindred epoch]

They were just entertaining the possibility no?
It's not confirmed

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Rhinedottir says it confidently

[kindred epoch]

They just don't know

[odd thicket]

Clearing away the confusion

So in skirk quest, she can remove the memories of weaker people , to ignore her existence

What if asmoday as paimon is doing the same

Most dont even acknowledge her and if they do they just treat it as normal

[median elm]

HEYYYYYY

9 MIN CELESTIA LORE TEASER?

I NEED TO WATCH THIS

WOAHH THE SHADES

damn im sexist i thought 2 of the shades were male

[hidden pumice]

So what exactly is paimon and is she maybe related to the shades

[reef axle]

Paimon is Paimon

And maybe.

Game has been deliberately vague on what Paimon is. To a suspicious extent

[median elm]

they like to keep us guessing

they love it actually

[lilac coral]

They really do

But she isn't beating the asmoday allegations

[median elm]

damn why is ronova hot

[lilac coral]

They all are

[hidden pumice]

All have white hair

[sly bison]

Paimon has some level of design aesthetics from all of them

Not just Asmoday

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https://tenor.com/view/paimon-evil-smile-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-paimon-gif-27681637

[stoic spade]

Yes but they're only missing one of them

[sly bison]

Heck she looks more like Istaroth than she does Asmoday

[odd thicket]

Compare asmoday here in trailer with paimon

[stoic spade]

If paimon isn't asmoday, then who the heck is asmoday following

[sly bison]

Do it for me

I still can’t post a damn image in this channel

[reef axle]

Me

[sly bison]

My mom

/Muscle Man ft

[stoic spade]

I name Surtalogi for extra chaos

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Sinners

[odd thicket]

@sly bison

[hidden pumice]

What if paimon was created by ishtaroth or is a clone of her

[odd thicket]

Paimon hairpin sealed the deal

[sly bison]

I know I’ve seen that already when I said this

But again

She’s got some level of all from each

Not just one

[stoic spade]

You're thinking she's related to po directly?

[sly bison]

Depends on what the CN says for Pierro’s dialogue when he referred to presumably the PO

They’re gendered as male

Unless he was speaking broadly and the TLer didn’t use “they” for some reason

[median elm]

so much aura

[sly bison]

Too much aura to be playable sadly

[median elm]

think of the revenue

[sly bison]

Make the genshin team look at Phainon sales more closely and there might be hope

[odd thicket]

To me she resembles asmoday the most

[odd thicket]

Beard disqualification

[sly bison]

Sounds about right

[odd thicket]

And no other shade is related to traveller

[median elm]

paimon definitely has aspects from everyone

zooming into ronova's eyes looks just like paimon

[hidden pumice]

Paimon has the triquetra on her

[sly bison]

“She is Asmoday” is just seemingly the simplest and easiest answer

But sth can always retcon or shed further light into what’s actually going on

Esp when you consider whatever Paimon’s abandonment complex actually comes from

Back in 3.x

[median elm]

how would this link to asmoday?

[sly bison]

That’s what I’d like to

Cuz we don’t know enough about Asmoday to see why she’d be linked to that aspect of her. Paimon can just as easily be of some sort of weird descent to a Shade too.

Just like Egeria and Venti are

[lilac coral]

?

Idk they look starkly different from paimon's black space eyes