・current-beta-tc

[alpine arrow]

doesnt even say anything

other than numbers

[frozen ingot]

It's a screenshot.

I used it as an example of some calcs having such nuance.

[alpine arrow]

u think anything other than ss is ever shared?

[frozen ingot]

This is especially important now with Bina's release.

Since her teams have such wild dps variations and defensive factors to consider.

Depending on how you invest.

[small hatch]

Speaking of cost investment priority I’ve seen a JP sheet that showed that starting from 1 cost ineffa the next best gold is Bina and then after that instead of being Flins it’s like C1 or R1 Ineffa

I have 0 idea what their assumptions were for that

[alpine arrow]

it might actually be c1r1 ineffa first before u go back to flins

the difference is small

can bounce around with assumptions

[frozen ingot]

We need one for Nefer

[alpine arrow]

u just go straight to c2r1 nefer

[frozen ingot]

Her teams are so complicated when it comes to cost optimizations

[alpine arrow]

after lauma and bina

[frozen ingot]

You sure? C2 Lauma opens up great healing and dps.

[alpine arrow]

we're dps batting no?

then c1 lauma is a dead cost

[frozen ingot]

Got numbers for this btw?

[rigid anchor]

[frozen ingot]

I can understand R1 Nefer

Her sig is huge, and shes a hypercarry.

It's the C2 Nefer vs C2 Lauma I'm less certain about.

[alpine arrow]

where is the misconception of her sig being huge from btw

[rigid anchor]

Not even a question

[alpine arrow]

it has been consistent 27% ever since 6.1 beta

[rigid anchor]

C2 dps nowdays scale better with cons than support

[alpine arrow]

also

[frozen ingot]

Got a calc for it?

[alpine arrow]

lauma c2 is like a 20% ish increase for nefer

[frozen ingot]

Or source of any kind.

[alpine arrow]

equals to 1 cons on nefer

[maiden patrol]

depends though
Lauma cons are bery good

[small hatch]

Well C1 Nefer is good and C1 Lauma changes no DPS

[rigid anchor]

Are you not here when nefer beta?

There is a lot

[small hatch]

so if we’re talking about DPS priority than it’s all into Nefer

[rigid anchor]

Im not scrolling all the way even if there is any

[alpine arrow]

its not even close

[frozen ingot]

That was before we got Bina tho.

Considering how much has changed in like, the last 2 days or so, it would be useful to have up to date info

[alpine arrow]

we're scaling our investment onto nefer how much do u think bina makes up

[frozen ingot]

Bina is not important.

Lauma might be.

[twilit skiff]

Nefer more damage, Lauma more qol

And Lauma also allows you to play in other dendro comps ig

[rigid anchor]

Bro is just hard to believe stuff

No comment

[alpine arrow]

lauma quills go onto nefer and bina

[twilit skiff]

But why bother, Nefer is the strongest dendro comp

So yeah

[alpine arrow]

[frozen ingot]

Just asking for a source.

That's all.

[rigid anchor]

I mean do you think we all here are making up thing?

Im not scrolling up

2 months ago

[frozen ingot]

Then don't. That's alright.

[alpine arrow]

i mean most people dont update sheets if they dont need to

and this is one of those scenarios

[rigid anchor]

1+1 will always be 2

Its as clear as day

[rigid gate]

Wrong

1+1 is 1

[rigid anchor]

Damn

[frozen ingot]

Considering we just have a video of C6 on field Lauma beating C6 on field Bina, things are not always clear cut. A lot of things have nuance.

[maiden patrol]

there is literally nothing wrong with asking for source

[rigid anchor]

I mean i never see anyone mention c6 bina is stronger than lauma as dps

[alpine arrow]

there isnt

[sand swallow]

what's going on

[weary schooner]

Just to show you I knew once again before all the YouTube TC’er an sheet PvP’s Nahida wasn’t 4th best slot.

[rigid gate]

Damn thats a cool font

[maiden patrol]

why are we acting like we should trust everyone and everything just because they said so?

[frozen ingot]

I dunno.

[rigid gate]

Or use of symbols

[alpine arrow]

i mean i just said what i know whether someone believe me or not is their decision

idc

[rigid anchor]

Its not like the one who giving this advice is oblivous to calc

But believe whatever you want ig

[alpine arrow]

i have calcs back in 6.1 beta yes but if it isnt relevant to them anymore there isnt a point in sharing that

and i prrsonally havent seen many do investment calcs in specific for nefer comps post bina

thats it

[frozen ingot]

For example we have a post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeferMains/comments/1q29cq1/c2_nefer_or_c2_lauma_with_columbina/
With every comment saying to get Lauma C2 first.

[gray flicker]

Its a little complicated, but Lauma c2 wins by a small margin.
in a sheet i got, c2 nefer is only a few %s better than lauma c2 in the ineffa variant, but thanks to lauma's c1 giving you healing, you can swap to nahida for a better team, and lauma is a more flexible unit to get investment on.

[frozen ingot]

Could be randos. Could be informed people. Who knows.

[alpine arrow]

the first comment also said c2 lauma is better than c2r1 nefer

so idk

[gray flicker]

can send you a link in a bit

[alpine arrow]

the 2nd also said it was the case even before bina which isnt true

[frozen ingot]

There's a new sucrose rotation that apparently beats Nahida iirc?

Where you fit all 6 Nefer CA's within Sucrose's EM buff

[alpine arrow]

also below theres someone who said vertically investing in nefer is better

in the reply

[gray flicker]

i don't have it in my sheet, but yea thanks to bina, sucrose beats her. i care more about nahida because i got her on c2

[frozen ingot]

Yeah. Nuance is the name of the game here

Lots of conflicting info

[frozen ingot]

Gotcha. I only have C0 Nahida, but I also understand that she's kinda cringe to play for multiwave anyway.

So you'd rather just use Sucrose anyway for the QoL

[maiden patrol]

Sucrose is better only if your bina is invested enough

which she isn't

so for now stick to Nahida

and also your Nahida isn't c0 so Nahida better anyway

[gray flicker]

actually, specifically in nefer lauma team, it barely matters. nahida is there for her Q and dendro particles. dendro aura has priority the entire fight with or without her

and her E doesnt do much damage

[frozen ingot]

That's fair

[weary schooner]

C2 Nahida > Sucrose, I think Nahida’s a useless little trash goblin an even I can say that.

[frozen ingot]

One would hope so

[gray flicker]

my sheet agrees

[frozen ingot]

3 cost > 0 cost 1.0 4-star...

[maiden patrol]

Sucrose better if you don't have energy also, which relevant for SO, but then just use c2r1 Nilou

free Nahida soon

[frozen ingot]

"Just use <incredibly expensive gigaold unit>"

[twilit skiff]

When nahida first released

The only value I saw in her was

Idk

[frozen ingot]

[twilit skiff]

Good dendro app?

I kinda thought her buffs werent...super massive

When more dendro chars got released down the line nahidas value kinda went down too

[sand swallow]

pull zibai?

yes or no

[frozen ingot]

me when zibai is most valuable unit (she has a car)

[maiden patrol]

should have predicted that Key would be great weapon and Nilou would be the best Sumeru unit after 3 years

[frozen ingot]

hey you know what, true
that's on me

[gray flicker]

I'm sitting on c1r1 nilou rn, praying the free cons system reset next year

[frozen ingot]

As in, lets you pick the same unit again?

[twilit skiff]

3.6 came around. I went for c2 nilou instead of c2 nahida

[gray flicker]

yea

[frozen ingot]

Im not sure it will

[gray flicker]

odds are low, but a man can dream

[gray flicker]

hmm

[weary schooner]

There’s till a few deluded people out there who think C2-R1 Nahida is better than C2-R1 Nilou but they’re dropping rapidly.

[twilit skiff]

Smart enough for that ig

[twilit skiff]

I could kinda see it at the time

But at the same time

I was like

But only Nilou can offer the things that she's doing

Her mechanics specifically

Doesn't nahida just get replaced anytime a dendro char with em buffs comes around?

[frozen ingot]

Can you imagine when Chasca gets added to the list and the poor level designers have to cope with everyone having her C1

[twilit skiff]

That was my logic lmao

[weary schooner]

Thing is as well you can get about the same amount of EM on a well invested Instructor build Nilou, Nahida can’t even trigger the set properly.

[gray flicker]

i just realized, but nilou's 100 em passive can't trigger in nefer team consistently right?

[weary schooner]

Just first rot.

But she can trigger instructor every rot.

Nahida can’t.

[gray flicker]

i'm stubborn, i dont have an instructor set

[weary schooner]

Can be farmed in the new domain now, so a lot easier to assemble.

[gray flicker]

putting 4 star artifacts on my characters feel criminal

i don't care that its optimal, it hurts my soul

[weary schooner]

Nilou only cares about 1 stat HP, so instructor isn’t a terrible set for her.

[gray flicker]

i mean, it reduces the amount of hp she can get out of her artifacts

i wonder which artifact is best to keep 5 star

flower or an hp% piece

[weary schooner]

Yeah you lose about 30 EM full time share but gain 120 in return for partial uptime.

With R5 key you still build HP/HP 5* artifact sets.

[sudden bronze]

Why partial though?

[weary schooner]

Instructor lasts 8 seconds but if you use her right before Nefer rot it’s not an issue.

[sudden bronze]

Shouldn't nilou be able to trigger bloom consistently since there's gonna be a lot of Dendro anyways

[gray flicker]

it doesn't trigger off field

[weary schooner]

Even with R5 key you still lose a bit of EM not using instructor. But it’s only about 20 at that point versus 5* HP 2 sets.

So better to have the full uptime then.

[solemn spruce]

Does Nilou's bloom buff work on lunar bloom? I thought her hp didn't matter on Nefer teams

[weary schooner]

But was instructor does do is make R1 Nilou perform much closer to R5 Nilou which is great for lower investment.

[solemn spruce]

Oh wait key passive

And nod krai resonance

[weary schooner]

An instructor set. Making her buff EM about as much as Nahida does anyway while having better C2 buff.

[solemn spruce]

I was specifically wondering why Nilou still cares about hp in a Nefer team

[weary schooner]

My tests had Nilou increasing damage 250k over Nahida but that’s ultra whale invest.

[weary schooner]

Ah fair mostly just key then.

[maiden patrol]

same

[weary schooner]

An 60k for Nod Krai res.

[solemn spruce]

Yeah

[sudden bronze]

Oh

[maiden patrol]

when is Varka drip marketing dropping?

[sand swallow]

that's Lan Yan wdym

[still fjord]

not happening.

he's not releasing. beta is 10 weeks

[sick juniper]

I got a question about varkas kit

Is the 220% and 140% multiplier he gets when certain elements are on his team apply after all the buffs ? Is it a final damage multiplier. (I’m unsure of how it works)

[alpine arrow]

its mv mult

[sick juniper]

What does that mean?

[alpine arrow]

multiplier to mvs

[rigid gate]

It multiplies his talent scaling values

[sick juniper]

That’s really good right?

(If the numbers weren’t shit that is)

[rigid gate]

On paper it is

[alpine arrow]

they will just balance the chars around those post multiplied mvs

[sand swallow]

friday

[alpine arrow]

it doesnt really mean anything

just that those mults are important and basically used as a way to force lock teambuilding

[sudden bronze]

Wait he is good now?

[rigid gate]

No lmao

[sick juniper]

😭

I still gona probably pull for him

But ye there is hope for v3

[sudden bronze]

Well you should always pull for characters that you want true

Currently i think wanderer would be higher than varka

He is not?

Even with bineffa?

Also tbh i never really saw that much about his kit but yeah the only thing that he was good at was exploration back in sumeru

[sick juniper]

I really like him, but I want him to be at like 120 or sth 90k is pethetic

[alpine arrow]

he isnt even versatile like people think

[rigid gate]

Play pyro or die

[sick juniper]

Ye

[sudden bronze]

He would still be able too do his SO boss i think

[rigid gate]

So much for infusion and versatility

[sick juniper]

SO?

[sudden bronze]

Chasca better

[sudden bronze]

Stygian onslaught

[rigid gate]

Stygian Onslaught

[alpine arrow]

chasca is also funny because every single one of her best teams at every investment level is just a mav melt team but worse

[sudden bronze]

Shh

[alpine arrow]

like ur worsening the team by putting chasca there

[sudden bronze]

I am gonna keep on spreading this agenda

That chasca is better

I want varka to be added to the standard banner

That way i can get him on the aniversary

[rigid gate]

Mizuki sidegrade

Both of their best teams are bineffa core and yumeglorp plays herself you just float and she's a healer so she's just better

[still fjord]

i hope you lose your next 50 50/50s. become an outlier.

[sand swallow]

varka is insane

so broken wtf

[still fjord]

statistical anomoly

[sudden bronze]

I hope you lose your next 100 50/50s

[still fjord]

won't happen because i don't deserve it.

you do

[sudden bronze]

Nah you deserve more

Plus with the capturing radiance it's not really possible anyways

[alpine arrow]

i hope u two lose your next 500 50/50s

[rigid gate]

Ill die by then

[sudden bronze]

I hope you never get the uma that you want

[still fjord]

"I hope varka is shit so he becomes standard" all you're asking for is for him to become a shit limited. they have already decided if he's standard or not. and he won't be standard.

he's just gonna be shit

[rigid gate]

Thats horseshit

[sudden bronze]

Works because then i won't need to get him

[small hatch]

Mavuika does more damage optimally than Chasca

[gray flicker]

WHERE ARE THE HORSES VARKA

[small hatch]

You would rather go through almost the entire melt combo on Mavuika than switch to Chasca

[gray flicker]

WHY IS THERE ONLY HORSE SHIT LEFT?

[rigid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-roy-the-demon-clean-wipe-gif-6660384369726909628

I should've gotten chasca

I lowkey regret skipping her

Even tho she's ass

And her face model is horrendous

[sudden bronze]

Gave them to reir

[gray flicker]

@frozen ingot the propaganda is working!

[still fjord]

counterpoint: chasca is easily the most braindead character in the entire game. There's like 5 attacks in the whole game you even need to think about dodging, the rest just miss you.

you have to make tradeoffs

[frozen ingot]

you love to see it

[still fjord]

[alpine arrow]

u also dont need to dodge on mav so

[small hatch]

You can get way more damage out of her by actually properly timing her bullets

[alpine arrow]

chasca is just a straight downgrade

[small hatch]

You can get an entire 5th CA off

[rigid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/chasca-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-chasca-flower-feather-gif-15670642349951972543

[frozen ingot]

you dont get chasca for meta

you get her because you wanna fly

[rigid gate]

She's lowkey hot

[sudden bronze]

Not like you can fly for long anyways

[alpine arrow]

wait thats evil wtf

[sudden bronze]

Yeah like 500 5050 losses wasnt

[gray flicker]

@frozen ingot does he know?

[rigid gate]

If im skipping varcuh imma get someone else

Maybe nefer

[frozen ingot]

c1 does go rather hard

ngl

[sudden bronze]

I mean at that point even mav c1 is good

It increases her bike uptime by a lot

[frozen ingot]

but not her flying

[still fjord]

isnt it only her ground bike time?

[frozen ingot]

it's specifically only ground yeah

[rigid gate]

One of the main things i didn't like about chasca was that her entire kit malfunctioned when there were more than a single enemy but since everything is st focused nowadays ig it doesn't matter as much

[sudden bronze]

Ok i didn't knew that

[gray flicker]

the worst part in AoE is that if your target dies before you shoot, he takes the charged up bullets with him

wtf were they thinking

[frozen ingot]

this chasca girlie has some other stuff going for her too...

[sudden bronze]

Tbh the only thing is that she was released at the time when endgame was mostly multiple enemies

And that her DMG was bad compared to mualani and kinich

[rigid gate]

She was just ass

And had a nice ass

[sudden bronze]

Was it? Maybe i misremember then

[still fjord]

rly. having the high ground is cool. and u can aim

[alpine arrow]

losing my uma lowkey more evil than losing 500 50/50s

[sudden bronze]

I skipped her because next patch was mav+citlali

[frozen ingot]

feels great in overworld

[rigid gate]

Also her teambuilding was boring as shit at her release, it was just furina bennet (like every other character ever at the time)

[weary schooner]

Yep, this is why I have no time for people that say she’s one of the top DPS, she’s lowering the DPS of the team. She maybe does a little better without Mav & Citlali now thanks to Durin, but I bet that team is drastically weaker when Mavuika & Citlali are heading up their own team as they should be.

[frozen ingot]

again right, dont go chasca for combat meta

get her for flying

it's very simple

if you wanna fly, she's the best there is

and it's not close

[placid depot]

Her controller exp is abysmal Imo

[gray flicker]

its fine in KBM

[placid depot]

Yeah that’s more or less why I found skipping the natlan trio very easy

[still fjord]

idk this is such a wild take

[placid depot]

Whenever her or mualani are guest chars on IT, I die 🤣

[frozen ingot]

i have no idea what bluds talking about
she feels fine on keyboard

i dont use controller so no idea there tho

[placid depot]

Controller for a few things is just terrible “feels like “

[rigid gate]

Mualani kinich chasca

[still fjord]

there is a difference between saying u dont like something and saying its unintuitive.

[placid depot]

Kinich , mualani and chasca

Oh ?

[still fjord]

its not

[gray flicker]

Chasca in controller is unintuitive, but once you get used to it, it's kinda comfortable

her aim button makes her do the CA hold

[placid depot]

You won’t have to go far to find similar complaints tbh

[rigid gate]

Playing genshin on controller is unintuitive

[frozen ingot]

chasca is just neuv in terms of control scheme, point at the thing and hold until full

[rocky moth]

playing genshin is unintuitive

[placid depot]

Nah it’s easy with regular char

Living is unintuitive

[frozen ingot]

that's how i play chasca

[sand swallow]

i saw varka at v5

he's insane

[still fjord]

this is literally all chasca does as well

[maiden patrol]

you don't even hold your CA, you hold it for half a sec and release

[still fjord]

except she flies

[rigid gate]

You do manual release and rehold with chasca to be optimal

The last bullet loads a bit earlier than its shown

[still fjord]

as always, optimizing the fun out of it. i dont think the 3 bullets u miss is the difference between ass and not ass dmg

[gray flicker]

i don't play chasca to be optimal

[placid depot]

First time I played kinich I didn’t know he had a cannon 🤣

[frozen ingot]

man imagine if lauma explo was actually good

holy pull value unit

[rigid gate]

Imagine durin could fly

Fuck you hoyo

[placid depot]

Bina as well no ? She flies around in all her combat cinematics

[rigid gate]

💔

[frozen ingot]

"Thanks Natlanese farmer boy."

💀

[rigid gate]

She moonwalks thats enough

Mualani doesn't race to squeeze her burst

You either do 3 chomps or 2 chomps+burst

Playing mualani in general is the struggle

[maiden patrol]

not optimal

usually 2 chomps 1 burst or just 3 chomps

[rigid gate]

You can but by the time you do burst almost every buff has ran out so its just worse

It also takes longer

[maiden patrol]

i think the Mona one actually enables Mualani to burst every other rotation very reliably

which is what make it good

[rigid gate]

Yeah

[maiden patrol]

my highest dps team atm

[rocky moth]

whats the investment

[maiden patrol]

c1r1 Mualani

that's it lol

mona is c4 if we count that

[rocky moth]

mona is basically free

[maiden patrol]

her c4 crit rate is pretty much useless here because i build Mualani to have 100% crit rate before hex buff

i do have Mav signature weapon here actually, but she does less than 15% team dmg

actually it's 17%, idk if her weapon matters

[gray flicker]

time to refarm and optimize the CR CD ratio

[twilit skiff]

Anyone knows what's the lowest cost rn for angler boss?

[random crane]

how much of an upgrade is c6 chev over c2 for mav?

[maiden patrol]

a lot

like 15k

[alpine arrow]

too early

im assuming 3

[twilit skiff]

Hmmmm fair

[frozen ingot]

ok so

the new SO is the hardest by far

holy

[rocky moth]

yea

[frozen ingot]

it's like, order of magnitude harder

[rocky moth]

the chicken feel even tankier than other lunar boss like sigurd or hera

[frozen ingot]

Fearless?

Sure

But then we're talking about different things

I meant fearless.

[mint solstice]

Haven't checked yet - which are the three shills this time?

[slender flame]

lunar and neuv

[silver night]

Anyone have some suggestions for dire crab? I'm getting really close with my Skirk team but just barely unable to clear rn

[still fjord]

probably all lunar teams.

[slender flame]

neuv

[still fjord]

neuv shill???

damn

how did they manage that

[silver night]

Too bad I don't have his bum ass

[floral imp]

Aoe hydro app check

[slender flame]

by having a boss that needs shit ton of hydro

[still fjord]

omg ayato

[floral imp]

Neuv chew through the crab

[silver night]

I tried Ayato, it wasn't great ngl

[still fjord]

do u just need hydro or do u need dmg

can i use childe

[slender flame]

both

[floral imp]

childe could work

Innefa bina childe

[mint solstice]

Pyro Crab sounds like any heavy hydro app could do right?

Fatui shocktrooper is Lunar charge shill or am I misremembering?

[still fjord]

i ask these questions knowing full well i am doing diff 3 and not even trying.

[floral imp]

Shocktrooper is easy

[still fjord]

but i like asking the questions

[floral imp]

Even overload team beta him

[floral imp]

Not dif4??

[still fjord]

sometimes i try it

and then my lack of good teams shows its head.

because i dont put any effort into building units

[floral imp]

Bruh

[twilit skiff]

Dog is basically a higher DPS check Sigurd and no cheese so yeah ig

[rocky moth]

yea that dog is too tanky even for premium lunar team

[twilit skiff]

Sigurd there's the sigewinne cheese

Dog is like

Tankier

[mint solstice]

So...

Nefer/Aino/c1Lauma/Columbina
C2Mavuika/c2Citlali/Xilonen/bennett
C6 Yae/C4 Nahida/C2 Furina/some other hydro like Kokomi

should do, yes? For Fearless

[twilit skiff]

And no cheese

[rocky moth]

like if i did sigurd 60s, the dog is 110s

[twilit skiff]

For me I'm not concerned on dog

I'm more concerned on fatui shocktrooper

But let's just hope I did something wrong with my rotation

[scenic talon]

Guys it's time for the true pvp

[floral imp]

the crab is harder for me because aoe hydro niche is only Male what does hoyo. Mean by this

[scenic talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/mAn44wpRvP

Another win under furina de Fontaine's belt 🔥🔥🔥

Columbina might dethrone her next time probs

[floral imp]

Just bring a kazuha or venti vs that turkey

Aoe/grouper check

[rocky moth]

yea but its insanely tanky still, also sorry cant rn

[mint solstice]

I mean, Furina is by far the best written female char so far, and it's not even close. I'm not surprised

[twilit skiff]

Fearless diff?

[mint solstice]

Also not surprised by Arle in 2nd spot

[rocky moth]

yea

[twilit skiff]

I'm attempting dire

[mint solstice]

More surprised that Mav made it in top 5 tho

[twilit skiff]

Sigurd took loke

112s last time

But hope Columbina makes it better for dog at least

[alpine arrow]

should be fine

[rocky moth]

yea just comparing the time

[twilit skiff]

Which is why like I'm not too worried about dog

[rigid anchor]

Sigurd is 110s last time

Dog is 111s now

I have better build than sigurd though

[random crane]

but i HURD male charas are unpopular?

[frozen ingot]

The dog is basically like

If you don't pull lunar, you're cooked

[scenic talon]

Nawt you turning this into one of these shit 💔💔💔

[twilit skiff]

Prolly with the addition of Bina too

Dog is just

[frozen ingot]

My 240k dps skirk team cannot brute force the dog.

[twilit skiff]

Tankier and uncheesable Sigurd in a way

[frozen ingot]

Way way way tankier

Sigurd was easy compared to dog

[twilit skiff]

We'll see

Pretty sure I can't clear dog without Bina so yeah

[frozen ingot]

I can't clear dog WITH bina.

Though I don't have her fully built, and no Ineffa.

[rocky moth]

whats your investment?

[twilit skiff]

Let's say 160k dps without Bina lmao

Vs test dummy

[frozen ingot]

I think this is the first time people will get angry

At SO

Because this is like ZZZ level shill and difficulty

Where you either bring what they want or you do not clear period.

[rocky moth]

damn lowkey need to pull bina

[twilit skiff]

I mean I haven't tried SO

I'm still sitting in front of my office monitor

But I'm fully confident I need Bina to clear dog

And I'm looking at dire difficulty so yeah

If it's just fearless it'll be whatever

Doesn't need more than 160k dps

[frozen ingot]

What do you have?

[twilit skiff]

I don't need help with dog bro

[frozen ingot]

No no, I'm curious

[twilit skiff]

Unless you just wanna know what I'm running

In that case it'll be Nefer

[frozen ingot]

gotcha

[twin laurel]

There's a clear with c3r1 mavuika overload on dog

[alpine arrow]

u kill break the shield before killing the summon

lmao

with a nk carry

[twin laurel]

It's still bruteforcable with more investment

[frozen ingot]

I assume with optimized rotations?

[twin laurel]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1mRz5BJEYY/

The run

[rocky moth]

the shield/minion isnt the problem, its just tanky in general

[twilit skiff]

Does the summons do anything?,

Like do you need to kill them specifically?

[frozen ingot]

Dire?

[alpine arrow]

has anyone tried mav melt

[twin laurel]

Yeah

[cold cape]

oh, Mav do n1c4?

[alpine arrow]

since u can cc the mobs

with kaz

first spawn

[rocky moth]

yes its lowkey kazuha shill

[cold cape]

no wonder she did a hitlag in there

[frozen ingot]

How do you clear the crab?

If you don't have neuv.

[alpine arrow]

skirk

[twin laurel]

Mualani probs

[frozen ingot]

No Mua here

[alpine arrow]

can be

im not home so cant test anything

no laptop either

[twin laurel]

Needs like c2r1 mav probably

[alpine arrow]

u can hit all 4 mobs at once tho

with kaz

[twin laurel]

But like with every single SO just wait for a few days and see what people cook up

[rigid anchor]

Ive seen c2 skirk clear on crab

[alpine arrow]

rein try mav melt on turkey with kaz

[rigid anchor]

Heavy on burst playstyle so its kinda not doable on c0 even with the spare time

[twin laurel]

No the strat still seems to be to ignore the mobs

[alpine arrow]

thats assuming u cant hit all 4 at once

u get above it

well almost

[twin laurel]

Maybe somebody will try that

[alpine arrow]

@rigid anchor i believe in u

(i dont have my laptop)

[rigid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[sudden bronze]

Kazuha can easily group all those dogs

[twin laurel]

Mav cdc combos don't cover as much range as donuts

[alpine arrow]

cant u just mav melt and instantly nuke all 4 dogs

[twin laurel]

But you want cdc for that extra dmg

[alpine arrow]

or almost

[rigid anchor]

Yes, but it took 1 and a half rota to do it

Too long

Norma NK ive seen is hovering like 110 to 120s

[alpine arrow]

cant keep them together that long?

[rigid anchor]

And mav shouldnt be that far ahead than them anyway

[rigid anchor]

Not enough dmg

FOr 1 rotate

And by the time you go to second rot

Enemy is at like 10/20% hp

Wasting mav nuke

[alpine arrow]

🥀

[rigid anchor]

Also buff uptime is an issue here

Because of course it is

Citlali as usual

[alpine arrow]

shouldve had r5 fork on iansan smh smh

[rigid anchor]

Also bennetless team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-JpfupD6hM

C0r0 skirk ( mistplitter )

[alpine arrow]

damn

skirk strikes again

another boss down

also u found a 7 views vid from 7m ago lmfao

[rigid anchor]

This guy is goated

[rocky moth]

and yet mihoyo still giving her shill boss when she dont need it 🥀

[sudden bronze]

Why are people using sucrose here with nefer? Wouldn't using nahida be better

[rigid anchor]

So i was waiting for his run

[rocky moth]

nahida in SO so ass, suc can buff just from E

[rigid anchor]

Sucrose give same amount of buff but less animation time and not Q gated

Also apparently you can get all sucrose buff on all nefer CA

[sudden bronze]

Sucrose is able to give 250 em?

[rigid anchor]

Well not 250, but around that

[alpine arrow]

its like 200+

[rigid anchor]

Less animation time is the important one

[sudden bronze]

If you have 1k+em sure

[rocky moth]

if suc em is 1000 yea

[alpine arrow]

skirk stygian record kinda goated now

mav better be scared

[floral imp]

??

[rocky moth]

about time they add cryo aura boss in SO

[alpine arrow]

yea no theyre rerunning automaton

[rigid anchor]

A certain nodkrai horses

[alpine arrow]

skirk agenda

[rigid anchor]

I still remember karon mav melt run

So cinema

[alpine arrow]

they added cryo res for the operative to brick skirk back then

smh

[sudden bronze]

I mean aren't both of them kinda equal in stygian in bruteforcing The bosses

[alpine arrow]

idk

ig they both have roughly 9/18 of the bosses in stygian so far

they killed like half the bosses each

[floral imp]

Is skirk cons better than Escoffier cons if I do aim for one

[rigid anchor]

Yes

[alpine arrow]

someone should keep track of all the c0 dire clears true

[rigid anchor]

I always do

Might make a sheet just for it

[alpine arrow]

true

make a record for all carries

x (bosses killed)/x (bosses since they released)

count boss rerun too

[rigid anchor]

Mav and skirk agenda

[floral imp]

Isn't this the 1st time neuv enter exalted ones

[rigid anchor]

Second

He beat cactus before

[floral imp]

what the 1st one

[alpine arrow]

idk who even come close honestly

[floral imp]

Oooh yea cactus

[rigid anchor]

Should have make it based on percentages so that newer carry can compete

[floral imp]

Just wierd to not see Bennet in Asia server exalted one

I see aino

[rigid anchor]

But they get shilled more

[alpine arrow]

i mean yea

[rigid anchor]

So

[alpine arrow]

just make it so that

we can compare after like

they already participated in 3+ cycles

or smth

cuz less than 3 cycles isnt really fair

[rigid anchor]

Ill make it later when im free then

[alpine arrow]

i want to but no laptop

and mobile sheets suck

going to have to search through weird ass bilibili clips for things like this

and whether we want to count clears like full c0r1 super hardcore like mav sigurd

[floral imp]

Just realized why I feel the turkey so squishy the minion make my wgs passive active lmao

I guess kill mob spawn gimmick have a niche after all

[sudden bronze]

I mean at c0r1 even flins needed some good playing to get sigurd dire

[maiden patrol]

not gonna bother with dire this time

[floral imp]

It's ok it's only skin anyway

[umbral oxide]

Varka's SQ theme music is titled "FaErJiaWuShuang" which translates to "The Unparalleled Varka", and Varka means "Wolf" in old Persian

[sudden bronze]

Yeah as of rn is really is the unparalleled wolf

No one is like him

[floral imp]

If varka v3 majorly buff him I can say it's agenda to make people pull bina

[wide cedar]

now how to clear this shitass neuv boss

[floral imp]

He hasn't gotten dripmarketed too

Wierdly

You have neuv should be easier

[umbral oxide]

He's probably 2nd half at this point

[rigid anchor]

Furinaless neuv

[frozen ingot]

Mona is super good

[floral imp]

Ye mona better than xq no

[frozen ingot]

Mona is like, GOATED hydro app for the smol crabs

[umbral oxide]

Let's see, new model, free weapon skin, having the most anecdotes by his release, dual claymores, and special interactions in Nodkrai as a Mondstadt Character

[wide cedar]

mona is mandatory on the fatui

[frozen ingot]

Is she?

[wide cedar]

none of the 8 characters in the other 2 teams are negotiable

except sucrose

[sudden bronze]

Even if they do that they will most likely make him on par with current dps

[frozen ingot]

!f2p

[abstract urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/mona-f2pbtw-genshin-impact-gif-19375013

[floral imp]

Can't you also run an electro or hydro reso that important

[frozen ingot]

It's her time to shine

[wide cedar]

skirk cant break the shield without mona yeah

[umbral oxide]

Which would be* more than enough

[floral imp]

What's nodkrai dps before bina

120k?

[umbral oxide]

Laumaful Nefer:

[rigid anchor]

I would like him to be a bit below nodkrai dps pre columbina

[sudden bronze]

Yeah i think nefer was 120k or something

[floral imp]

Ye

[rigid anchor]

And almost as strong as NK dps with nicole

[floral imp]

So 120k with current team before Nicole if she really is a support

[umbral oxide]

Then Nicole bumping him a bit (not saying Nicole is strictly tied to Varka)

[sudden bronze]

Because of nicole?

[rigid anchor]

Imma be real i never expect him to be stronger than the NK DPS anyway

[sudden bronze]

I also didn't

[rigid anchor]

Because he cant utilize bina

Maybe 135k/140k with nicole

[sudden bronze]

This has very much to do with the fact that he is anemo though

[rigid anchor]

115k pre nicole

Or smth

[frozen ingot]

Varka is not 115k is he?

[rigid anchor]

Nah

90k

I think

My last sheet have him at 82k

[sudden bronze]

I mean if nicole really is varka bis support she has to be better than Bennet

[rigid anchor]

Without newer combo optimization

[umbral oxide]

He's crossed 100k in his F2P premium

[rigid anchor]

💀

[umbral oxide]

Hu Tao combo

[sudden bronze]

Which speaks a lot tbh

[umbral oxide]

[frozen ingot]

She might actually be 5-star benny.

[umbral oxide]

For hex if they went that way

[rigid anchor]

If its gated by something then it wouldnt be too hard to do

[sudden bronze]

We just recently got another Bennet (iansan) though

[rigid anchor]

Chev is way above benny in terms of of giving stat

[sudden bronze]

So doubt they will release another

[umbral oxide]

Guess who had the bigger circle :clueless:

[rigid anchor]

Nicole can kinda do that too if hex specific

[frozen ingot]

Shes cute enough to get the honor of replacing benny

[umbral oxide]

Look at how tiny it makes Varka

[frozen ingot]

Girlie is omega strong

[rigid anchor]

Nahida ah domain size

[floral imp]

I have so many elixir

20 elixir

Idk what to use it

[rigid anchor]

💀

I have 4 feather

And 6 elixer

Im waiting for that varka buff

[frozen ingot]

same
im at 44

[floral imp]

Convert elixir to feather when

[rigid anchor]

Pls v3

250cv varka incoming

V3

[floral imp]

Or consume alot of elixir to make 4 liner artifacts

10 elixir for one perfect onrolled piece

[frozen ingot]

but yeah this SO is real mean

[sudden bronze]

Tbh i just use it for whatever my character seem to need

[frozen ingot]

"you better pull some shit right now or suffer" - hoyo

[sudden bronze]

Saves a lot of time trying to get that on set piece

[rigid anchor]

The neuv shill is crazy though

I got 99s on neuv

Insane

[floral imp]

What other characters that not neuv and skirk beat that crab

Mualani?

[sudden bronze]

I mean with the chicken you might be able to do fearless with mavuika with kazuha

[floral imp]

Hasn't seen mualani run

[rigid anchor]

Yes

[frozen ingot]

Tried. Nope.

[rigid anchor]

https://youtu.be/KKDxPwyd0Mc?si=UrtJ9jvtS-cOOpBn

Mualani

[floral imp]

Show you're mav stat

Is the team mav kz Bennet citcali?

[frozen ingot]

No citlali.

[sudden bronze]

I mean should be possible with the combos and at d5

[sudden bronze]

Ah that's the problem

[floral imp]

No cit he's kinda cooked

[floral imp]

1st time I ever seen kz with mua instead of sucrose

[frozen ingot]

My 240k dps skirk team could not brute force the dog btw.

Tested it because I was curious.

[sudden bronze]

You don't attack the main body with non lunar teams you attack the small dogs

Killing all 4 will remove the shield

[frozen ingot]

Yeah I know.

Also you can definitely focus the body as non lunar.

You just need a shitton of dps

[sudden bronze]

Did you grouped them?

[sudden bronze]

18% hp is better than 45% hp imo

[cunning geyser]

Ifl the mechanics with abyss shield this time feel like lunar=ez time than night soul being just a qol on the papllia

[alpine arrow]

he's 90k ish in his prem team with the newest combo

[rocky moth]

the shield is like 4 million non lunar

[alpine arrow]

with blackcliff

dont tell me about 100k with ss bs

[rigid anchor]

[frozen ingot]

Yeah this is by far the most shilled content in genshin history, by like 10x.

[floral imp]

What non lunar team not mav can beat the turkey??

[frozen ingot]

We're now at ZZZ levels of shill

[alpine arrow]

mav cant

[sudden bronze]

And then people were like natlan is so bad with all the shilling

[alpine arrow]

natlan didnt even have stygian

[cunning geyser]

This is biased but they atleast made most of the characters you want to pull

[alpine arrow]

until like 5.7

[frozen ingot]

ZZZ shill: Bring the team we're selling or you don't clear (unless you hard whaled earlier)

[cunning geyser]

But still ye

[sudden bronze]

And?

[alpine arrow]

ive been doing well in zzz

tho given i did pull a lot of chars

[sudden bronze]

People still used the complain about the papilla and the xilonen boss

[alpine arrow]

but thats just my playstyle

[cunning geyser]

Honestly tho so clear requirement is like way below da

Hard is so piss easy

[alpine arrow]

well yea papilla still sucks

lol

[cunning geyser]

Plus coopable

[alpine arrow]

xilonen boss is fine

[floral imp]

We have this trio so

[frozen ingot]

True. It's just feathers in genshin instead of primos in zzz.

[cunning geyser]

I'm counting hard as the clear

[floral imp]

Our equivalent brute force unit in genshin is what varessa skirk mavuika??

[alpine arrow]

varesa sneak

[cunning geyser]

The rewards above only matter to non casuals

Anyway

[rigid anchor]

Nefer now

[floral imp]

Oh ok nefer

[rigid anchor]

But she is more punishing

[floral imp]

Maybe I might get her my lauma kinda homeless

[rigid anchor]

Kinda

[cunning geyser]

The only thing keeping lauma balanced

[floral imp]

I don't have a use for lauma I just pull because BIG

[frozen ingot]

Same. Lauma bina by their lonesome isnt enough

[cunning geyser]

Is double nod doesn't work outside nefer

[frozen ingot]

I feel like I need one more lunar unit tbh

[floral imp]

Double nod?

[cunning geyser]

Ascendant gleam

[sudden bronze]

It can do fearless don't know about dire

[floral imp]

How???

[sudden bronze]

Bineffa+sucrose is good enough

[frozen ingot]

Nefer can use Ineffa right?

[floral imp]

Sucrose and???

[alpine arrow]

fearless threshold is very low

lol

[frozen ingot]

Nefer Bina Lauma Ineffa is a thing that exists?

[sudden bronze]

Last can be literally anything i saw someone use amber there

[rocky moth]

yea its her best sustain team

[floral imp]

What the rotation you on field bina???

[cunning geyser]

Ye but like it's putting to many good unit individually on one team

[alpine arrow]

wont happen

turkey is lunar only

[cunning geyser]

Kinda cope against triple lunar shill

[sudden bronze]

Don't know i didn't really focused that much

[alpine arrow]

unless vertical

[floral imp]

Turkey at dire is impossible?

[sudden bronze]

Without lunar seems like that

[frozen ingot]

Mostly asking because it means ineffa isn't a dead pull in case I get nefer.

[rocky moth]

anything is possible with money but yea c0 is impossible

[floral imp]

A lauma nefer linnea banner with 3 lunar shill stygian

Omg sound like hell

[cunning geyser]

Ineffa is like fishcl plus

So i doubt she's would lose value

[frozen ingot]

The plus is doing a hella lot of work.

Ineffa is like, significantly stronger than fischl.

[cunning geyser]

Ik lowkey ifl they equal

[sudden bronze]

Not that hell cause most lunar shills can be done by non lunar characters

[floral imp]

Innefa so great for explo I can tap e for bina and her everything died

[alpine arrow]

they dont even share the same niche

[outer zealot]

Need more cr

[alpine arrow]

fischl is for OL/overvape

[frozen ingot]

Ineffa with bina and her new set is like literally 2-3x fischl dps isnt it

or some shit

Or more

[cunning geyser]

Oh right I haven't gotten ineffa on her sig set

[sudden bronze]

Only 2pc

[alpine arrow]

why are we comparing chars with different roles and different archetypes

[cunning geyser]

Ye she def like the iphone 18 to fischl's iphone se

[floral imp]

My innefa also on temp set

[outer zealot]

Mine too

[cunning geyser]

I ran ineffa ol

It felt good ngl

[alpine arrow]

its worse but ok

[cunning geyser]

I said felt not is

[floral imp]

Innefa bina chasca mav overwoele team

[rocky moth]

clipping ineffa's wings🥀

[outer zealot]

I wish they had a calamity leaderboard

[alpine arrow]

vv chasca gaming

how 😭

[cunning geyser]

I didn't have a sustain for arle and it was the vishap that needed a shield last floor

So said fuck it

I wanted to try it out

[alpine arrow]

u stagger the fatui

never let him turn up shield

[outer zealot]

Bullying is the solution always

[cunning geyser]

Slap the electro charge team bro

Ik you want to

[outer zealot]

overload it

[outer zealot]

who lunar dog then...

[cunning geyser]

I got nefer lauma

So not my problem

[cunning geyser]

I lowkey might run raiden double hydro ineffa

[sudden bronze]

You need really high skill for that

I would say just give up on that and use skirk against it instead

[alpine arrow]

overload it within the first 3s

[cunning geyser]

Or good ping

[outer zealot]

Isn't constant overload and mav bike enough

[alpine arrow]

yes

[frozen ingot]

Overload staggering the fatui is giga tough

[outer zealot]

just skirk it then

[alpine arrow]

u need to keep OL proccing and staggering with mav

[sudden bronze]

Idk I was only able to get it just one time and he set it up immediately after

But then again i have red ping so

[outer zealot]

Understandable

[alpine arrow]

arle is a bit easier because u just go N3C

[rigid anchor]

Arle is so much easier

Not even funny

[sudden bronze]

Overall i think the best is to just bruteforcing with skirk

[rigid anchor]

As long you have the dmg

[outer zealot]

True

[alpine arrow]

but also 30% less dmg so 😭

[sudden bronze]

Go ineffa against one enemy and bina against the other

[outer zealot]

Varesa ?

[cunning geyser]

Isn't crab the best skirk brute force boss

[alpine arrow]

kinda

its rough tho

[floral imp]

For fatui it's varessa skirk mav to brute force any other?? (No innefa)

[alpine arrow]

need good gameplay

and rng

[floral imp]

It's awful

[cunning geyser]

Even with double hydro?

[brittle lion]

Which character is it supposed to shill?

[floral imp]

Yes it's awful

[alpine arrow]

neuv

[outer zealot]

Cooked...

[brittle lion]

oh

[floral imp]

It took me 1 hour of optimizing my rotation

[brittle lion]

Oh…

[floral imp]

For the crab

[cunning geyser]

Ok might just run neuv coffee cit furina

[brittle lion]

Oh

[alpine arrow]

it shills neuv really hard

[floral imp]

It want aoe hydro

[sudden bronze]

Then use bina against the fatui

[brittle lion]

Time for me to shine then omg

[floral imp]

Skirk work but need sweaty gameplay

[alpine arrow]

who are the ones that can kill crab rn

mua neuv skirk?

[floral imp]

Ye those 2

[cunning geyser]

The boss is basically neuv for shield

[alpine arrow]

dire specifically

[cunning geyser]

The wheel chair takes it

[floral imp]

Reil post dire mua I think

[sudden bronze]

What all characters do you have?

[sudden bronze]

Skirk can do it on dire?

[alpine arrow]

yes

do need sweaty gameplay

i havent seen mua

[sudden bronze]

Still it's something

💀

[floral imp]

Nilou might work vs the crab??

[alpine arrow]

??

[floral imp]

Enemy isn't pyro infused only the horn no

[alpine arrow]

fuck does nilou do

[sudden bronze]

In nilou bloom you are doing less DMG overall

[alpine arrow]

as good as barbara

huge

[floral imp]

Hmmm ok don't have her

[sudden bronze]

Barbra better there as she will do a higher hydro DMG

You have to suffer and try to do the chicken with just ineffa ig

And save bina to use her with fischl to do the fatui

This is the best team i can think of

[cunning geyser]

Don't you have flins?

Do you have a 5 star for ascendant gleam?

[sudden bronze]

Wait you have flins?

Then why are you even struggling

Use flins one side and bineffa the other

Bineffa for the dog and flins alone can handle the fatui

You can use aino as a compensation for the ascendant gleam

I have seen one clear with bina ineffa sucrose and Amber

D5 i mean

So yeah you can use bineffa+sucrose along with any decent dps you can find

[odd breach]

what is current 4 cost miliastra tier list rn?

[frozen ingot]

Depends on if you include cost scam

If you do, mav overload is very very high up

[crimson meteor]

You can apparently critfish with hook to get 150k with 0 cost Gaming

[alpine arrow]

u can critfish with anyone just have god tier luck

[floral imp]

If tsar is cryo mav im gonna c2 her

[scenic talon]

It gets worse every time I'm so washed wtf

[floral imp]

Mine fluctuate alot

[empty rune]

amber zhong pmc dong cheese saved me last stygian else i was also in a decline 🫠

[alpine arrow]

are u actually c4 furina

[empty rune]

then cheese

[wide cedar]

damn flins stronk

[alpine arrow]

bro what the hell is that last team

[rocky moth]

fanfareless furina

[scenic talon]

Yes

[empty rune]

i mean.. wasn't bad or anything. iirc this did better than benney one. i think i was bursting mav in the short damage window

[alpine arrow]

oomfs??

[scenic talon]

Twin?????

[alpine arrow]

we're soulmates fr

cant believe someone actually made a decision as bad as i did

[empty rune]

did you also double crown?

[alpine arrow]

furina is tripled

[outer zealot]

Everyone double crowns furina

[empty rune]

@scenic talon you're lacking

[scenic talon]

To be fair w u I really did intend to C6.....

Then I lost track

[alpine arrow]

i also did intend to c6

[scenic talon]

[scenic talon]

Damn I'm a bum

[empty rune]

was about to follow up with or triple but keyboard freaked out

[wide cedar]

God neuv is so shit

[empty rune]

her pose... HutaoThink

[alpine arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/el-condor-pasa-uma-musume-no-money-wallet-gif-6900461197803546525

[scenic talon]

Real

[empty rune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[sudden bronze]

Get his sig true

[slender flame]

Bp is enuf

[wide cedar]

Im not pulling his sig just for one so

[hollow flame]

does Illuga want dbane, kitain, or fav?

teammates are gorou, zibai, and bina

[frank grove]

Nicole will be varkas best teammate

150%

[hollow flame]

I'll be using 2pc 2pc EM for him

[frank grove]

|| the first Angel was the “mother” of boreas and granted him that name ||

[silver night]

Finally

[rocky moth]

omg ayato

[silver night]

I had to resort to Fav Ayato and Furina, feelsbad

[rocky moth]

how about mona?

[silver night]

I don't know, didn't try her

Does she have the same AoE hydro app that Ayato does?

[rocky moth]

prob not as consistent but she buffs

[cunning geyser]

Man

800ms

Smh

[maiden patrol]

how do you break crab?

[odd breach]

spam wet

[maiden patrol]

Yelan can't hit the horns

[gray flicker]

crazy, raiden in the year of the lord 2026, bina has done it again

[odd breach]

the main boss need specific ability to hit the horn while it isn't lowering for attacking

you better aim for the smaller crab

so you will have hydro aoe somewhere chip the main body

then hunt 2 more small crab

🤔 2 or 3?

single target hydro is very bad in this one

[cunning geyser]

Ok why is genshin enemy damage not ping reliant but player is

[weary schooner]

She’s still good at C6, keep going

Only another 300 wishes an you’re there.

[frozen ingot]

i sure as hell dont regret my c6 furina rn

lemme tell you

she's in extremely high demand everywhere all the time

this SO she helped varesa get past the boss
next one she might help mav
another shes with skirk

absolutely GOAT unit

[odd breach]

nah you must believe in all c0r1 dire clear