・wuwa-lounge

[tired zodiac]

Which is what I assumed

[rotund drum]

she burns 3 stacks if you do skill > BA5 x2 and i think you'll lose one more to natural decay during the ult so it'd be 6 - 4 = 2

if its 9 its enough for max

or close enough to it

[tired zodiac]

Yeah

[rotund drum]

actually it probably wont matter since carty doesnt apply enough by herself

to get it to 9 stacks lmao

[knotty fiber]

people were hoping they could do the 2 swords plunge so that she wouldn't lose aerosion

but they nerfed her fleur dmg and put dmg in 3 sword plunge instead

so get fucked

[rotund drum]

iirc the erosion tick is fairly significantly too so either way losing chaccone amp kinda sucks

you also lose her damage bonus ofc

[blissful tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792147187076694057/1384051610249990154/image.png?ex=68510602&is=684fb482&hm=2e6f4794dffc170a513718c6f0416fa7d1e07d36998b1c726f188f0534835bb6&

Not even sure which is better

[rotund drum]

probs the former unless you want the energy regen

the crit on the latter are both low rolls so you're only losing like 3 CV

in exchange for atk and res lib bonus

[tired zodiac]

Both are ass

[rotund drum]

you're just jealous he has better pieces than you

[vapid river]

yeah and idgaf enough about her to get s2 have i not made that clear?

if not then i'll say it now

i don't care enough for carte in general to whale for her

[rotund drum]

seems reasonable

they're adding a bunch of new waifus soon anyway so the creep will probably happen pretty fast

[tired zodiac]

Did I tell you to? Smh

[tired zodiac]

I haven't even started so

[rapid dew]

based

if they made fleurdelys seperate id pull

not pulling for kids

[tired zodiac]

I'm not jealous but i wouldn't settle for that one

[rapid dew]

🤮

[burnt shoal]

if u guys looking for best f2p friendly ciaconna already op on her own

so many showcases of ciaconna hyper with 4 star

[tawdry pagoda]

We are in hu tao mains dc

[rapid dew]

still looks older than carthe

[tawdry pagoda]

[rotund drum]

isnt she thousands of years old

[lyric fjord]

Carthe's imprisonment was 30 years ago

Iirc

[knotty fiber]

20

She was alr in her adulthood or close back then

[vapid river]

nope, short = child cuz there aren't any short adults or anything

ignore the majority of asian countries

[knotty fiber]

You're saying that while playing an Asian game

[vapid river]

asia isn't real, it can't hurt me

[knotty fiber]

I am

[neat robin]

Thyia & lotta have same model
Short female, not child

[tawdry pagoda]

Wdym short adults aren't real

There are 160 people roaming around

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1210586662644748298.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

[vapid river]

exactly, i've never seen or worked with adults shorter than 5 feet before

[knotty fiber]

I have a fruend that is shorter than 5 feet

He's my age

[tawdry pagoda]

I have a 130cm friend but i am not sure if she is considered a midget

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/phoebe-wuthering-waves-phoebe-wuwa-wuwa-wuthering-gif-17427240854026907269

[lyric fjord]

Under 145cm is legally a dwarf in my country

[lament shuttle]

130cm????

[tawdry pagoda]

She is 0,88 Charlotta tall

[rotund drum]

harvins

[terse oak]

As long as they're smart, they're good to go.

Somehow Carte got her childish side.

[rapid dew]

no but that shit is excuse

shes designed to look and act like 14yo

well ig shes young teen

[iron wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-carlotta-cheecks-squeeze-squishy-gif-2882428430083543852

[warped willow]

smol

[knotty fiber]

so uh

there's this very

funny

thing

[neat robin]

?

[vapid river]

Funny ha-ha or...?

[knotty fiber]

https://streamable.com/sl4ntu

reminder

this is S6

so it's gonna be vastly different from S0

notice when I do the plunge

[outer jetty]

That upper range roll
Wish it was HP% but I aint complaining

[neat robin]

Lib is still alri

[knotty fiber]

"upper range" you mean max rolls

lol

[vapid river]

so there might be bugs

but no worries, at least they're not serious

simply 5 chests in an area only meant to have 4

[delicate skiff]

Had 2 zones like that

[vapid river]

ye when it didn't go away i was like 'might as well use my sensor? maybe that'll make it go away...' and there was another chest

[delicate skiff]

[vapid river]

i just had a reminiscence box of electro

it gave me lingering tunes flutist and new havoc set electro drake

b/c that makes sense

[blissful tulip]

Technically they are electro TD's

Doesn't matter which set

[burnt shoal]

omg

[terse oak]

It should be HP% instead of def, but alright

[warped willow]

Uooogh im fleurdelysing it

[terse oak]

Then I should build Aerover later, or when got ascended to Sol-phase 6. Only the option on a good support for Carte.

[warped willow]

171 of these, 0% chance im getting a usable echo

[warped willow]

almsot god roll

how much ER for zhezhi

[rotund drum]

as much as you can get

she gets plenty of dmg bonus from coord set + lampylumen/hecate already and her damage isnt that great to begin with

[tired zodiac]

Does she even deal damage?

[warped willow]

is 130 enough 💔

[tired zodiac]

No you need atleast 250

(idk check prywden)

[rotund drum]

her skill combo + ult is a couple thousand % iirc

[vapid river]

compared to yinlin yeah she does damage

wouldn't know compared to canta, but canta is just kinda dogshit so i'd guess more than her too

[warped willow]

dogshit ?

i feel like she does a lot

[rotund drum]

cantarella barely does anything lol

[neat robin]

The boxes are for the type of dmg the echo deals
Flautist is electro dmg but it can be any of its sets

Yinlin does more personal dmg than zz i thought. but her rot sucks to reapply

[rotund drum]

i think its actually just a preset list of possible echoes for each box

if you open a bunch of them you'll mostly just get a bunch of te same 3-4 echoes

still pretty worth to farm since the sheer volume of echoes you get vs actually farming specific echoes is way faster

you can get about a hundred boxes in total each day if you clear the map of all the gladiators and it doesnt even take that long

[vapid river]

yeah ik

it's just stupid

"reminiscence of electro"

no electro set

trust me, ik flautists can be on electro set

i only farmed them for months

i just don't get why they can't lock it to electro sets

if they can lock it to "echoes that can be on electro sets"

as in remove the rng factor and just give out electro sets on boxes named "reminiscence of electro"

same with the other boxes

[rotund drum]

its actually better that they dont since otherwise you wont be able to get a full set of echoes

like carty can get all her windward 1-costs from the boxes since all the drakes can be windward

not just the aero ones

[tired zodiac]

I see

[vapid river]

nah, if the aero boxes only gave out aero you'd still get the 1 costs

you wouldn't randomly get these on the new fusion set

unless you're talking about the boxes from the weekly somniore place

b/c i'm talking about different boxes

[rotund drum]

i know what you're talking about

[vapid river]

i'm not talking about these boxes

[rotund drum]

you'd only get windward on the 15-20 wind boxes and it'd be split between three sets

[vapid river]

yeah which is less sets than it is now

imagine you get this fucker

on old havoc

or this fucker

on healing

[rotund drum]

im pretty sure you get more windward pieces overall from the current pool than if it was only from aero box

[vapid river]

or this one

on moonlit

it's the fact that you can still get them from non-aero sets

that's an issue

imo

if it doesn't bother you that's okay

i think it's dumb

it's the same with this

[rotund drum]

i mean if you wanna not get any good aero echoes ever thats fine

[vapid river]

since havoc echoes could still be on rejuv and lingering

and some of the other older sets

i think you're misunderstanding

but that's okay

or you're trying to bait

you get that the fewer sets you can pick from the greater your chances are of getting the windward right?

if your odds are 33% instead of 12%

that's better

right?

your odds of getting windward are less b/c of all the other sets you can pull

[rotund drum]

there's 4 drake types that can drop as windward and iirc they tend to be about 1/4th of their respective boxes

[vapid river]

hence the two electro boxes i opened that didn't have a single electro

[rotund drum]

each drake type has 2 possible sets

[vapid river]

yeah but you can't only get drakes from them

is my point

[rotund drum]

so lets say 12.5% of all your boxes will be windward drakes

[vapid river]

you can literally get older units from older sets

maybe you just got luckier

[rotund drum]

compared you if you could only get aero drakes from aero boxes

[vapid river]

or you don't actually know what boxes i'm talking about

and that's okay

but i think you're confused about this

[rotund drum]

you'd be looking at roughly 15-20 boxes a day and 25% of them would be drakes and 50% of those would be windward = only 2.5 windward drakes

[vapid river]

yeah you have the wrong boxes in mind

it's okay

[rotund drum]

i'm talking about the gladiator boxes

idk what you're referring to

[vapid river]

then you don't understand how they work

[rotund drum]

what you're saying is that you want only the aero box to drop aero set drakes

rather than all of them potentially dropping aero set drakes

[vapid river]

you could get this from an aero box but have it be in radiance set

and it's not just 1 costs

it's 3 costs too

and it includes old sets

[rotund drum]

so you're heavily limiting your pool of boxes that can potentially drop the echo you want without actually increasing the chance of getting the right set

[vapid river]

i got these two from an electro box

lingering tunes and the new havoc

1 3 cost flutist and a new drake

flautist w/e

[rotund drum]

incidentally i just checked and aero drake cant even roll windward lmao

[vapid river]

it's not only giving you 1 cost drakes

yeah just a luck diff

[rotund drum]

so you would literally get 0 windward pieces

[vapid river]

but you're heavily misunderstanding

it's all luck

none of the boxes i opened had usable echoes from the sets they claimed the echoes should come from

[rotund drum]

ive gotten plenty so you're just unlucky and/or not farming hard enough

[vapid river]

oh i'm not trying to farm

i just noticed them in my inventory and thought to open them

these came from my aero boxes

er set with fusion main

[rotund drum]

im notlike mega autismo on the farm but it doesnt actually take that long and i usually have time to kill at work anyway

overall it beats the hell out of manual echo farming the old way

[vapid river]

i just have no reason to farm

waiting on iuno to see if she replaces mort

don't want phro

or lupa

who to farm for?

[rotund drum]

hold on to them and see if they update with new sets i guess

[vapid river]

i'm just stock piling gauntlet mats in hoping iuno is mort replacement

[rotund drum]

i already got my flaming clawprint 1-costs but im still hunting for 3-costs

that'll take forever to begin with though so im not that worried about it

[vapid river]

cancersaurs

stop jumping all over the place and just die

smh

[rotund drum]

its nice to be able to just do a casual easy farm and get a bit of everything

they should add boxes to the old mobs that dont drop echoes too

like the fatui or the treasure hoarders

[vapid river]

they should still make it so you only get echoes from the sets the boxes say they're reminiscing

[rotund drum]

if thats sometihng you're actually mad about keep in mind that none of the flaming clawprint echoes actually deal pyro damage

idr how many of them actually appear in the pyro box

so you'd be heavily limiting your pool of echoes that can actually roll the set if you could only get pyro pieces from pyro box

[opaque flume]

Ya I have no clue what the fuck aero box means

I get like nothing aero out of them

Or fusion box

[vapid river]

oh it's nothing i'm mad about

i just think it's stupid

[opaque flume]

I wonder who at kuro was like

[vapid river]

thinking something is stupid doesn't inherently mean anger

[opaque flume]

Ya name it aero box

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[rotund drum]

honestly its like complaining that elemental set echoes can roll the wrong damage bonus

[vapid river]

but have fusion stuff come out

[rotund drum]

its just a farm rng mechanic

might as well complain about flat substat rolls and def rolls etc

[vapid river]

yeah ik it's an rng mechanic, but it's still stupid

those things are also heavily different

[rotund drum]

they put them in specifically to limit the pool so its not too easy to farm perfect everything im pretty sure

[vapid river]

apples and oranges

but it still seems you misunderstand why i find it stupid

it's okay

if you're comparing it to 3 costs having rng on main stat

[opaque flume]

[rotund drum]

i think the issue is that you're not understanding that statistically the way you're saying it should be actually makes it worse

[vapid river]

but it wouldn't

bro doesn't know numbers

[opaque flume]

Blade for ur age you should be more immune to ragebait fr

[vapid river]

i'm not mad though

[rotund drum]

i already explained this to you

you can look at the pool of drops from each box

[vapid river]

you really didn't though

no you can't

[rotund drum]

and the likelihood of getting the relevant set on each of them

[vapid river]

it's just literally any echo that could be part of the set the box reminisces

[rotund drum]

and consider how many echoes you'd get from opening all of them vs only opening one specific type

[vapid river]

and those echoes can be from multiple different echo sets that aren't

[rotund drum]

most echoes only have 2-3 sets to begin with

limiting it to 1 set doesnt actually improve the rng that much

and you're heavily limiting the boxes which can actually drop what you need

[vapid river]

i mean i already explained it to you

if you don't get it you never will

[rotund drum]

im trying to explain it to you lol but we

[vapid river]

it's okay lil bro, numbers are hard

and if you think you're right then you're actually just trying to rage bait

i'll just keep assuming you're dumber than people think if otherwise

[rotund drum]

i.e. these are the 1-costs that can drop as flaming clawprint

iirc the pyro drake is the only one that can drop in pyro box

[vapid river]

that's just wrong

but it's okay

you've just had really good luck with the boxes

[rotund drum]

which means you can literally only get 1 of the 1-costs you need from the boxes and it only doubles the chance from that one specific box

and in exchange you lose the chance to get the set from any of the other boxes

so you're losing the potential roll on 4 other drake types in exchange for a slightly higher chance to get it on the pyro drake

tbf it does mean that if you only care about pyro pieces its less work since you only need to clear the pyro gladiators

but on the other hand you'd need to manual farm the other drakes for the other 1-cost piece you need

and honestly killing gladiators is easier than manual farming drakes

its guaranteed 1 box per kill with a chance at a second and they spawn in groups

vs 20% chance for a drake to drop an echo normally with a pity of 5

[opaque flume]

Meow

[knotty fiber]

How is that wrong

[vapid river]

there's a 1/13 chance of getting the set you want

instead of just a 1/2

if we're talking the fusion boxes you can get litearlly any of these sets

and any of these sets

13 total sets

instead of just 2

[knotty fiber]

Nope

[vapid river]

yes?

[knotty fiber]

Fusion boxes give you fusion echoes

So not limited to just "fusion sets"

[vapid river]

i literally opened 2 aero boxes and got these

[knotty fiber]

An echo can have no fusion set but if it's a fusion echo then it's included in the box

[knotty fiber]

Because they are aero echoes

They deal aero dmg

[vapid river]

yeah and my whole point was that it should be from the sets

not echoes that deal that type of damage

either way it's more than just a 1/2 chance

if it's not quite 1/13

but you're still dealing with set rng

my point that it's stupid still stands

[knotty fiber]

It's not just this thing is stupid

[vapid river]

you can disagree with my opinion but atp like, okay? and?

[knotty fiber]

They are stupid including 2 sets in cartethyia's both cost 4

The entire set rng thing is stupid

[vapid river]

it is

[knotty fiber]

They need to stop copying hoyoshit

[vapid river]

yeah 12 different sets

instead of 13

so much better

for fusion

can you get 4 cost or just 3 and 1?

i've only opened like 6 boxes

[knotty fiber]

3 and 1

[vapid river]

yeah the only echo you can get in the new fusion set is the fusion drake

which you still need to 50/50

idk just seems weird

better odds opening aero boxes or spectro

to farm for a fusion set

[opaque flume]

I need to start actually upgrading echos ngl

I’m at max echos rn and 12000 tuners

[vapid river]

oh shit, who is our dual element resonator?

[opaque flume]

And like 800 gold upgrade mats

[vapid river]

iuno

please

maybe

[opaque flume]

Iuno fr

[vapid river]

i don't want her dual element

i just want her to replace mort

[opaque flume]

Ur never getting a mort replacement face it

[vapid river]

literally anyone atp

[vapid river]

the only one from that set you can get from a fusion box is the fusion drake i misunderstood. it's the damage type the echo does

you're better off opening aero and spectro boxes

fr

get your new fusion set by opening aero and spectro boxes

[knotty fiber]

Originally cartethyia

But not anymore

[vapid river]

8/12 of the echoes in that set are aero/spectro that's kinda funny

[knotty fiber]

They fucked up somewhere and stopped the idea

[vapid river]

idk much about carte

[knotty fiber]

Iuno isn't important enough to warrant herself a "unique" resonator

[vapid river]

figured it was for a future person

[knotty fiber]

If you want dual element resonator

It's likely in 3.0

[vapid river]

i hope it only happens for one instance

and that's for jinhsi

[knotty fiber]

The "Sentinel/Threnodian resonator"

[opaque flume]

D1 hate

[vapid river]

so they can do anything other than spectro dmg

while buffing spectro

[opaque flume]

[vapid river]

well, they don't need to be "dual element"

just buff spectro while doing a different element

and coord dmg

[knotty fiber]

I'm thinking it might be Geshu Lin if he's considered important enough

He might be like

Havoc electro

[vapid river]

[opaque flume]

Who the fuck is geshu Lin

[knotty fiber]

Ur dad

[vapid river]

he wasn't ever the sent/thren resonator

right?

[knotty fiber]

He's rumoured to be one

[vapid river]

there was some theory he might have been the thren resonator

[knotty fiber]

Threnodian yes

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

In the new leek

[vapid river]

it'd be pretty cool if he showed up

[knotty fiber]

We'll have 1 sentinel and 1 threnodian resonators next

Sentinel's = female

Threnodian's = male

[rotund drum]

thats what i was saying yeah

[opaque flume]

They will love eachother fr

[rotund drum]

btw its not 1/12 chance to hit the right set

its 1/however many sets there are for that echo

so its better than you think

[vapid river]

there are 12 sets that could show up from the 9 echoes

there are 9 echoes that do fusion damage

[rotund drum]

most echoes only have 2-3 sets iirc

[vapid river]

between them are 12 different sets

[rotund drum]

iirc its not every echo that does fusion damage

you can batch open a bunch of them and see exactly what you get but iirc there's only 5-6 per box

[vapid river]

if 107 is right, and they usually are, then that's how it works

it drops echoes that do fusion damage

well it does w/e element the box says the echo does

unless i misunderstood them

[rotund drum]

i think its literally just whatever kusogames wants it to be

its a preset pool im pretty sure

[vapid river]

^see this and the next few lines

yeah, preset in the way that if it's an echo that does that damage type it'll be in the box

[rotund drum]

otherwise you'd see a bunch of those snip snaps or pyro prisms or whatever in the boxes but iirc you only get drakes for 1-costs in pyro box

[knotty fiber]

I don't remember if there were any chop chops

[vapid river]

why are exiles on there?

there is a chop chop that does fusion dmg

[knotty fiber]

But those are fusion echoes

[knotty fiber]

They are an enemy

[vapid river]

oh the baby viridblaze doesn't show up as a fusion echo on prydwen

weird

[knotty fiber]

It's not TD-only view

[rotund drum]

we can easily resolve this by clearing out the fusion glads and seeing what we get but i dont have time to actually farm atm

i will do it tonight

[vapid river]

i'll just trust 107

they say it's all 3/1 cost echoes that do fusion dmg

[rotund drum]

im pretty sure its not but w/e

[vapid river]

i thought it was fusion sets

but that makes more sense

[knotty fiber]

Well it's because I have done a ton of farming

[vapid river]

OH TRUE

[knotty fiber]

And I have opened tons of boxes

[vapid river]

you farmed for days

for carte

[knotty fiber]

[rotund drum]

it might be a subset of the fusion echoes who do fusion damage

[knotty fiber]

I know which gladiators to dodge because they'd never give me what I need

[vapid river]

wait

does this one count?

[rotund drum]

i just do them all because i wanted carty pieces and honestly its always nice to have extra stuff

[vapid river]

it doesn't do dmg

it just heals

[knotty fiber]

You need to look at the enemy version

[vapid river]

ah

[knotty fiber]

Not the dmg dealing in echo skill

[vapid river]

prydwen probably doesn't have that updated

[knotty fiber]

That's how they are classified

[rotund drum]

kusogames should add a real healer echo but they probably dont want to invalidate healers entirely

not that anyone is using healers solely for heals atm

tbh its just optional autism farm for stuff you'll get eventually anyway from tacet field and/or stop caring about in a month so it doesnt really matter in the long run

its just for fun/if you're impatient

[knotty fiber]

I'm impatient + I had a good amount of tuners before

So waiting for tacet field would take forever for me to use those tuners

[rotund drum]

yeah everyone is impatient

i usually end up with a couple of weeks between patches where i just do tacet fields as resin dump though

or just dont even bother using resin at all

so it doesnt really matter in the long run

honestly the best resin dump is probably credits lmao

i dont think ive run out of mora in any hoyo game but it sucks ass in this game

[knotty fiber]

I can't farm shit for now anymore

Went from 6.5k tuners (at the beginning of the patch) to 100

[rotund drum]

idk how you even used that many

[rotund drum]

27 boxes worth in case you were curious

thats definitely not every fusion echo in the game

[knotty fiber]

That's about right

Also the same for other boxes

Other elements even have more enemies

But not all of them are in the boxes

[rotund drum]

at minimum the box does appear to be entirely echoes who deal pyro damage

albeit not all of them

i can check the others but at minimum its probably safe to assume that if it deals a different damage type its not going to be in the box

so no flaming clawprint 3-costs from pyro box etc

[knotty fiber]

I only need to know one thing

[vapid river]

will it give you an echo for carte

[knotty fiber]

I dodge all of the electro and aero gladiators

Because there's none for her in electro and aero boxes

[vapid river]

yeah this wasn't in question, it was how mainly which ones that do that type of damage that come from them

there should be 9 for fusion

[rotund drum]

they all kinda spawn in the same general locations anyway so it doesnt really cost you that much extra time to clear them all

[vapid river]

and it is possible that you only pulled what, 4?

5?

yeah 4/9

it'd be strange to not see more

[rotund drum]

its possible but unlikely

[vapid river]

if more were available

yeah

[knotty fiber]

Good thing my route is abundant with fusion and havoc gladiators instead

Which are what I need

[rotund drum]

the odds of missing 5/9 27 times in a row is what

[neat robin]

Are we still on the gladiator boxes thing

[vapid river]

pretty low

[rotund drum]

1.28e-7 lol

[vapid river]

how many of the 7 fire drakes were on set?

[rotund drum]

idk i didnt click through them

i'll check later

its probably 50%

[vapid river]

shows in bag, but i'd guess they're not all in order

[neat robin]

Fusion box = drops any 1/3c that deal fusion dmg
Any set that those echos belong to

Most echos are 2-3 sets

[vapid river]

it's not all that do fusion

unless simp got lucky(??) in a weird way

[neat robin]

Havoc box = echos that do havoc dmg etc

[knotty fiber]

Not all fusion echoes

[vapid river]

only 4/9 showed up

[neat robin]

I havent opened a mass amount at once

[knotty fiber]

It's guaranteed to give fusion echoes but not all of them are included

[vapid river]

fire orb thing, lizard thing, hyena, fire drake

[neat robin]

Is there a glad farming route yet

[vapid river]

ask 107

[neat robin]

I’ll go slaughter and test

[vapid river]

they'd know

[rotund drum]

i just do the autotracker

it'd be nice if you could set multiple mobs at once though

so you dont have to fly between the same areas 5 times

[vapid river]

been saying this since before 2.0

track two or three 3 costs

[rotund drum]

yeah ive been saying it since 1.0

i dont think kusogames cares

[neat robin]

You can autotrack gladiators?

[vapid river]

probably not enough people yelling for it in the...

[knotty fiber]

Yes

[vapid river]

surveys

[knotty fiber]

They are in enemy list

Not echo list

[neat robin]

I’m ngl

I havent looked at enemy list literally ever

[rotund drum]

hit F2 and check the list of enemies

they're like midway down on the 3-costs list

[vapid river]

not all enemies are echoes

[neat robin]

I’m mobile idk where this list is

Gimme like 10 mins to find it

[vapid river]

oof

[rotund drum]

its the same list as where all the domains and bosses are listed

and dailies

same page rather

[neat robin]

I see

I like carte cuz I 100% know I’m not doing her proper rot but button mashing still clears

[rotund drum]

isnt it just skill ba5 ba5 ult

you can probably do some dumb quickswap stuff but i dont think it really matters

are you gonna swap to aerover lmao

cant swap to chaccone

[blissful tulip]

I just CA 4 times

[neat robin]

perfect

[rotund drum]

i think BA5 x2 is still better

i forgot to have it add upward cut to the midair combo but it still kinda sucks anyway so w/e

[neat robin]

Skill ba5 ba5 skill ult?

[rotund drum]

CA spam might be better if you think you'll have to interrupt the combo with a dodge

skill doesnt recharge that fast

i dont think its really worth holding the ult just for another skill either

You can do carty combo > frudelis combo > ult as soon as you get it > carty combo again before swapping to refresh buffs which is probably going to be more overall damage than just mashing BA in frudelis form

[blissful tulip]

Heavy attack is faster I believe

[rotund drum]

i feel like its mostly all the same but idk

i havent tested enough

[rapid dew]

like most

carlotta, zani, brant

[rotund drum]

carlotta is just hold lmb to shoot lol

she cant swap since she loses her buff if she does

zani has the kara cancel tech but iirc it doesnt actually make that much difference

[neat robin]

I’m not playing her hypercarry

[rotund drum]

idk how brant works but either way you still cant swap carlotta's ult if you dont want to lose over 1k% damage

unless you just plan to never ult iwth her

[vapid river]

brants spins in the air

then it's ult to skill? or skill to ult?

idk it doesn't really matter

things die

you get a stonks shield

[neat robin]

The only time you dont switch is while doing lottas ult

All 3 of them do midair shit its fun bouncing around

[vapid river]

unless you're sweating

[neat robin]

Nah her self buff ends if you swap off

80% multiplier buff kinda stupid to lose

[vapid river]

you swap the first ult

the 2nd is done in one go

from the qs i've seen

[knotty fiber]

quickswap only for the first lib

[vapid river]

^

see

[knotty fiber]

I've said this before

[vapid river]

i trust 107

[knotty fiber]

but they didn't wanna believe it

they believed it was dps loss

[neat robin]

I mean it depends when she gets full forte

I have s3 shes usually got it immediately with just intro skill skill

Idk how s0 plays literally went straight to s3 before using her

[knotty fiber]

it is only better to not lib right away if you can kill in 1 rot

if it's more than 1 rot

then 1st second lib is better

[neat robin]

If i play hypercarry I can do one rot

[knotty fiber]

you're only spending a couple seconds on carlotta dealing dmg while setting up sdps and shoeskeeper

that's how speedrunners do

also how I do

even after getting zhezhi

[neat robin]

Variation zz for faster rot

[knotty fiber]

yes

speaking of variation

it's surprisingly not the lowest refine I got from concerto weaps

lmao

[neat robin]

Also yes
Its lotta skill skill > sk/zz > lotta hold ult & done

Usually

Maybe need a second skill2 depending on boss

I have 2 r5 variations now its satisfying

Also why idc about getting zz on empyrean
The crit hit requirements + variation build is pointless

[knotty fiber]

I got
13 Discords
12 Marcatos
8 Variations
6 Cadenzas
5 Overtures (shockingly)

as much as I complained about Variations

It's not the least I've got out of 5, to my surprise

[neat robin]

11 variation
5 cadenza
5 discord
5 overture
3 marcato

I didnt realize I had so much less of the others

I’m still killing gladiators btw

[knotty fiber]

I can't anymore

[neat robin]

Little sidetracked on weekly kelpie murdering but

[knotty fiber]

[neat robin]

5/6 glads done

[knotty fiber]

I came into 2.4 with 1.4k gold tubes and 1.3k purp tubes

[neat robin]

Glacio

Electro

Havoc (didnt find many)

So definitely looks like only 4 echos per glad box

[knotty fiber]

nope

the above are missing dragons

pretty sure there are aero drakes at least

[vapid river]

true, no havoc/spectro/aero

would be weird to not have them

[knotty fiber]

I don't remember if I have seen spectro drake from boxes

haven't farmed a lot of spectro

[tawdry pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-dragons-flames-got-gif-14085034

After 2.4 it is all about dragons

[knotty fiber]

I call def

[neat robin]

Skill%

[tawdry pagoda]

I call resonance lib

[knotty fiber]

kekl

[tawdry pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/zhongli-genshin-genshin-impact-osmanthus-wine-memory-gif-12873972188291185133

I like farming artifacts

A 5 row slot machine

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

[neat robin]

Idk why I’m keeping roccia set
Aint pulling her
And moonlit will work for other havoc support

[knotty fiber]

if you have the jellyfish

[tawdry pagoda]

I am keeping pieces for that free electric guy

[knotty fiber]

she will use that

[tawdry pagoda]

Haven't built him

[neat robin]

Nah

Didnt like how canta plays
Looks cool, love jellyfish. Actual gameplay meh

[knotty fiber]

I didn't know the sword could float

[neat robin]

Ye

Changli timeslows are always either stupid af or gorgeous
Where did you go girl

[neat robin]

Is carte / fleur’s free transform time limit the 12s manifest thing?

[knotty fiber]

Yes

You can stay in fleurdelys for as long as you want

But when manifest runs out, switching back to cartethyia will prevent you from switching back to fleurdelys til the next liberation

[neat robin]

Yeah ive been staying just as fleur

Since I have cia I havent needed to swap between forms

[terse oak]

The blue "wave" gauge, yes? Hmm...

[neat robin]

? Her ult button glows white when you can freely switch

[terse oak]

Also, transforming back to Carte will reduce a little portion of her energy.

She Aerover on the team, Cialess.

[torn tapir]

Fixed my tier list from a while ago

I doubt they'll top Cameylla's design for a long while

[iron wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuwa-camellya-brainrot-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gif-1178415009242290734

[tired zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuwa-camellya-brainrot-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gif-1178415009242290734

[terse oak]

Highest possible Max HP

[warped willow]

that’s crazy im the complete opposite

🥀

[rapid dew]

how is carlotta, jinhsi and yangyang in child but not carthe

id argue only phoebe looks younger than carthe from non child model and its prolly cuz of her clothes

unless you mean fleurdelys

[sweet coral]

Canta is kinda mid yeah

She got SHITTY interruption resistance

I can’t count how many times I got knocked out of the enhanced skill

[vapid river]

Afaik the only people with child models are encore, verina, youho, and rococo

[neat robin]

Short lady = child to this guy, ig

[vapid river]

But some of the others could be teens?

High-school sailor uniform jp girl is probably a teen

[neat robin]

Carlotta doesnt look like a kid. Phoebe seems younger yeah

[vapid river]

But they're all in positions of responsibility which makes me think they're adults

[neat robin]

Jinhsi/lumi in child is just ??

[vapid river]

Young adults, but still not children

[neat robin]

Phoebe is an acolyte shes not really in power though?

[vapid river]

I thought she was in a higher than normal position

Otherwise why is she talking to us

Isn't rover kind of important

I could be wrong tho

But it does seem like kuro tries to separate what is clearly a child compared to what is not

[neat robin]

I think cuz of her power

[vapid river]

Ye she's got the voodoo

[neat robin]

But shes not in the order’s upper uh
management

Or whatever

Those guys kinda corrupt from what we’ve seen though too
Following the sentinel/threnodian blindly

[vapid river]

Ye they crooked

Power hungry

[neat robin]

Like we saw in thyia trailer the one guy immediately turned on her when she said sentinel dead

[vapid river]

Idt I watched her trailer

[neat robin]

And the order just sending off anyone who disagrees with them to go die 😭
Brants group saves a lot of them

[vapid river]

Probably why the city so small

There's like 80 people who live there

[terse oak]

Brant and Roccia are the chad

[vapid river]

True

[terse oak]

Dont know the details of their story but as far as I know, I dont know.

[neat robin]

Brant was exiled for asking why no one had ever seen the sentinel

I cant remember for roccia

[vapid river]

They were all exiled for "questioning the faith"

Or being seen as heretical

The singing and dancing had a bit to do with it

[terse oak]

Hmmm, that is how they stayed on the hollowed grounds

creepy island

But dang, they've got an amazing digital circus on that bigazz echo turtle

[vapid river]

Ye rococo performed in a play that went against the church

Got the boot

[neat robin]

Id go with the troupe. Fuck the order

[terse oak]

Playmaster, I think

[vapid river]

Idk... living in a big cave is some Peter pan shit

[neat robin]

Idk they look like fun
Id say some shit and get exiled anyways those order assholes are too annoying

[dapper oar]

day12938193 asking for the tuners only tacet field bcs they are capable of doing so

[terse oak]

Yeah

[tired zodiac]

Day infinite of asking them to give me a free c6 r5 5 star because they can

[tawdry pagoda]

Day 1 of asking them to give me all of chars c6 and weapons r5 because they can

[tired zodiac]

Real

[torn tapir]

Fluerdelys is who I personally pulled for,

[torn tapir]

There are some teenagers and pre teens imo

[torn tapir]

Form your own opinions

When I looked at Lumi I do not see a full grown adult, but we can figure it out fr

[burnt shoal]

omg achievement

[warped willow]

https://x.com/tancohurn/status/1934153219661557778

ngu hèn (@tancohurn)

X · Jun 15, 2025, 7:37 AM

this is the stupidest fucking post by this artist LMFAO

[tawdry pagoda]

I didn't get it

Where moon means no

[knotty fiber]

her motif is moon

lol

[tawdry pagoda]

[warped willow]

https://x.com/tancohurn/status/1920345901849096229

ngu hèn (@tancohurn)

X · May 8, 2025, 5:11 AM

its real

[neat robin]

Fair. Id say teenager then

[rotund drum]

"they're canonically under 18 and i dont want to get nuked by the mods"

"this 17-year-old is too childish for my tastes but this 18-year-old is hawt" said literally no one ever but gotta keep up appearances

iirc carlotta and jinhsi are both canonically 16

the fact that he has "akshully she's thousands of years old" carty up top is about all you need to know

[knotty fiber]

cartethyia is only about 35~40 ish years old canonically

she was the same age as young Cantarella during her coronation

and it has been around 20 years since

still

older than all those kiddos

[rotund drum]

she probably ages slowly since shes an elf anyway

[rapid dew]

her ass makes me think shes 20

then again i know people who are 21 and look younger than her

[torn tapir]

🤓

Seems reasonable to me

[limber imp]

Cartethyia aged as fleurdelys

But that fragment of hers didn’t age

So when cartethyia merged w “fleurdelys” the one in avinoleum

She could still access the version of herself from 20 years ago

But when u enter fleurdelys form ur technically how she biologically looks

Makes sense since fleurdelys looks around like Cantarellas age

But wow threnodian gave her some serious steroids

[knotty fiber]

she is around cantarella's age

[limber imp]

She tripled in size

[knotty fiber]

Cantarella said it herself

[limber imp]

Yeah

So when ur in fleurdelys form ur cartethyias biological age

Cartethyia is how she looked like 20 years ago

But stayed like that and didn’t age until she merged back with her body

And can now freely switch between these forms

Maybe a gift from imperator because she lost those 20 years

[vapid river]

so about that mort replacement

[knotty fiber]

there's none

[opaque flume]

Ur never getting it bro

8.6 ur still gonna using mort jiyan fr

[spice finch]

I thought iuno?

[knotty fiber]

right

https://streamable.com/b5fefp

forgor to post it ytd

[vapid river]

that's the cope

[tawdry pagoda]

But what if

[opaque flume]

Mr breast

[tawdry pagoda]

Damn free money again

[knotty fiber]

How do you even view echo's stats while building a deck

This is so stupid

[opaque flume]

Im ngl i just be playing shit

I don’t even know what modulating is still

[knotty fiber]

Topping an echo with another

[opaque flume]

Ok but which one is modulated

Is it the one on top or the one on the bottom

[knotty fiber]

I think both are counted modulated

[opaque flume]

Ok cause i swear there are some where its like draw 3 cards when modulated and then I don’t get the 3 cards

I might be tweaking tho

[knotty fiber]

This kind of is funni

[opaque flume]

Echo skill issue

[neat robin]

Do the funny car deck

They just cant die with gorilla

[opaque flume]

Someone sent a video with a pot of greed deck

Where you fill like all 6 slots

Bro someone got to 120 modulation

Im sobbing

https://preview.redd.it/for-anyone-who-tried-the-pot-of-greed-deck-this-is-the-v0-d45avvi7ef7f1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ea81a4374f9a2cd9bdb4b4ffaf7fbf450a67764b

[knotty fiber]

I think the latter one is considered modulated

And the first one's special skill is activated

[opaque flume]

Okay

Makes sense

[knotty fiber]

If you modulate it into cost 3, then the 2nd one's special skill will also be activated

[warped willow]

I cast pot of greed

[knotty fiber]

Okay found it

It's the tiny ass icon bottom left

[terse oak]

Absolute cinema

[warped willow]

ZAMN!!!!!!

[wraith steeple]

beta starts when?

[tawdry pagoda]

Praying for pharlova being necromancer

[robust axle]

Holy art

What a beautiful day to have eyes

[warped willow]

oh thats really really neat

[tired zodiac]

She looks really nice with open hair

[spice finch]

Is there any C6 that can solo holo in one rotation?

[blissful tulip]

Almost every main dps S6 can

[spice finch]

One rotation? Solo?

[vapid river]

if there isn't glacio res carlotta

[tired zodiac]

If you can dodge danjin solo

[vapid river]

in one rotation

not just solo kill

but in a single rot

learn to read klee

also probably no one in a single rot solo at d6

my lotta got dragon of dirge to 50% in one rot

if she had full buffs or even just zz buffs it'd probably be dead tho

same with fallacy

[tired zodiac]

There's no rotation if you're soloing

Duh

[vapid river]

she missed 3/4 crits but you get the idea

[tired zodiac]

So she can if she didn't miss crit

40% with 1/4 crits

[vapid river]

no

she can't

???

[tired zodiac]

You said she missed 3 of 4 crits

[vapid river]

this was every crit and zz buffs

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

just the outro

[tired zodiac]

C6 zani is probably stronger than c6 lotta no?

[vapid river]

yeah maybe i didn't miss crits, the numbers weren't big

no

s6 zani solo

is dogshit dmg

SOLO

[tired zodiac]

I didn't consider s6 zani solo

[vapid river]

she needs massive frazzle

[tired zodiac]

Wait this was solo carlotta?

[vapid river]

yeah

bro

reading comprehension

the whole point was solo single rot

[tired zodiac]

Ahh. What about with zz and sk

[vapid river]

i mean yeah

this thing dies easily

[tired zodiac]

Aight

Then s6 fluer might be stronger

[vapid river]

literally back flipping outta ult

well outta res skill after ult

19s

[spice finch]

S6 carte can just stay in fleur form and hit big sword as last dmg. She can solo in 'one rotation'

[vapid river]

i'd have to see her do it

to say that she could

i don't have s6 carte

[tired zodiac]

I don't think she would

[vapid river]

depends on if she needs aerosion stacks or not to do damage

[tired zodiac]

If lotta only did half

Then I assume she'd do 3/4

[vapid river]

no clue

[tired zodiac]

Time to ask roo to lend his thiya (he probably has s6)

I'm surprised you didn't s6 her

[vapid river]

you're really bad at understanding english

[tired zodiac]

No I'm surprised you didn't whale

[vapid river]

i've only been saying this since may

but sure

[spice finch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0n7oPoPRTM&pp=ygUbUzYgaG9sb2dyYW0gc29sbyBjYXJ0ZXRoeWlh#searching

[vapid river]

well there ya go

she can solo fallacy

[tired zodiac]

I've never read it tbh. I camr to know only recently after her banner release

[vapid river]

why even ask the question if you know the answer?

pisslets

[spice finch]

Im getting mixed answers so I jist watch yt then 😅

[tired zodiac]

I didn't question.... I said I was surprised you didn't whale coz I always saw you as a whale

Who s6 every character in existence as long as they are good

[vapid river]

this isn't a typical rot btw

[tired zodiac]

Lol thiya it is then. Check other characters too

[vapid river]

yeah that's not at all how i am

[knotty fiber]

S6 Cartethyia is about to get a nerf

[spice finch]

If ever I will S6 a unit, carlotta is first in my list

[tired zodiac]

?

[vapid river]

how so?

also rip s6 enjoyers

[tired zodiac]

If I could s6 a unit I'd rather s2 3 characters

[knotty fiber]

read the news ingame

newest one

[tired zodiac]

Imagine reading

[knotty fiber]

they are "fixing" the S1 and S6

currently S1 and S6 can Cartethyia's plunge if you swap quickly enough

[vapid river]

compensating with 80 asterites when people spent tens of thousands of dollars collectively

[tired zodiac]

What's wrong w-

[vapid river]

love to see it

[tired zodiac]

Oh

[knotty fiber]

causing the plunge to deal almost double dmg

about 80% more?

oh

60% more

[vapid river]

is that only if you know what you're doing?

[knotty fiber]

yep

[tired zodiac]

Obv

[vapid river]

or does that just happen to anyone

[knotty fiber]

it's just quick swapping

[vapid river]

oh

[knotty fiber]

anyone can do it

[vapid river]

can you really do that with carte?

[knotty fiber]

as long as you quickswap

[vapid river]

no clue how she plays

it seems like it's res skill plunge ult

then sword swooshes to ult

[knotty fiber]

normally

her plunge's 3 hits have equal damage

https://streamable.com/sl4ntu

[tired zodiac]

If you s6 you can just be in fluer form right?

[knotty fiber]

you can see it's not in this vid

because I worked the magic

[knotty fiber]

at any sequence, it's weaker than not swapping

[vapid river]

this is the plunge damage you're talking about?

at like ~33 seconds

[knotty fiber]

yep

normally it's only 234k

[vapid river]

so this is 60% more dmg?

[knotty fiber]

with proper swapping

the 2nd hit is buffed by S1 and S6

and 3rd hit is buffed by S1, S6 and S0's 50% amp

[vapid river]

60% more dmg from the 234 is 375k

ah

there are other amps

i was unaware

yeah

that's kinda crazy

idt they should fix that tbh