・wuwa-lounge

[vapid river]

and since we don't have gameplay to see what actually happens

anyone can interpret it how they want with whatever rose tinted glasses they have

i could see it working both ways

but i wouldn't say it works one way or the other with any conviction atp

we'll just have to wait and see

[neat robin]

If I see the words ‘successful dodge’ I’m assuming a dodge happened
Which interrupts your attack

[vapid river]

i keep picking third place

[vapid river]

i'm more inclined to think this way as well

but who knows

[neat robin]

I feel like ignoring knockbacks is a bit extreme for a subdps to have
Who does dmg. And buffs. And her echo set also buffs

Just being able to keep your brant/changli up in the air without being knocked down across the room is good

[neat robin]

Na? Whos 1st I cant check rn

[tired zodiac]

This is what i understood from the text as well. im bad at explaining it

unlike sk who requires you to dodge first for animation cancel

its just better to wait a few more days ig

[vapid river]

where is this from?

[tired zodiac]

chat gpt i have no chinese friend

[vapid river]

b/c "immediately exit the hitstun/knockback state" still implies that you were in it

even if it's for a fraction of a frame

or a thousandth of a second

which is all it takes to break an animation

[tired zodiac]

lets just wait

[vapid river]

that's what i'm saying

like i said, i can see a world where it does save your animation

and one where it doesn't

[tired zodiac]

coz an immediate dodge while being attacked is worse than what sk does

[vapid river]

doesn't brant have a sequence that makes him uninterruptable

[tired zodiac]

it means you will forcefully exit what youre doing even if there is no knockbacl

[tired zodiac]

it does

s1

[vapid river]

is that the stagnate nonsense?

like they just can't attack?

[tired zodiac]

it increases his interupt resitance

wait

[vapid river]

actually i don't see it anywhere

in his seqs

inherent skill

you get when you 90 him

[tired zodiac]

wait he doesnt its his skill

yeah

[vapid river]

though i feel like this never works

[tired zodiac]

you still get interupted btw

[vapid river]

or adds to his resistance

yeah

he gets knocked off the anchor

all the time

[tired zodiac]

Blade forcefully dodging is more ass no

like.. imagine using changli's forte attack and even if youre not knockbacked you still dodge

and if the dodge animation is done then she exists the charge attack

so it wont be done

[vapid river]

you just don't get hit

and the dodge animation doesn't happen

but you could dodge counter

no?

it doesn't say you actually dodge

[tired zodiac]

thats what i said...

[vapid river]

it says the game thinks you dodged

[tired zodiac]

exactly what i said

[vapid river]

so you can still move around and stuff

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

but the animation for dodging doesn't happen

you said dodge animation

[vapid river]

^

it's instantaneous

or close to

you get hit, no you didn't you dodged, now what

but as fast as possible

[tired zodiac]

wait im being confused

[vapid river]

which yeah, would be weird to just auto pull you from animations

that's why it's best to just wait and see

it's day 1

not even properly translated

as of now i'd say "lupa has a mechanic that let's you take hits w/o being knocked back/thrown into the air"

and that's about it

any further speculation is kinda... iffy

keep in mind like half of lotta's kit was borked

day 1

of her beta

so

[tired zodiac]

if what lupa's kit says is that you are going to get auto dodged(with animation), it means if changli/brant is hit(without a knockback) they would dodge(with animation). this would cancel out from their forte.
Hence why i believe lupa's kit would let you dodge without any animation. it will just be considered as a dodge without actual dodging for 3 times. so you probably do get hit(damage will be done to you) but you wont exit from whatever state youre in and it will be negated 3 times.
But yeah, lets wait till we see what is right

[tired zodiac]

did she end up being better or worse?

[vapid river]

better

like i said half her shit was missing

it doesn't say with animation

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

why are you like this?

i'm just gonna go back to blocking you

have a nice life klee

[tired zodiac]

thats what i said.....

[vapid river]

it's like you do this on purpose

[tired zodiac]

but yall argued there will be animation

its not me who said it

[vapid river]

^

sure bud

keep trying to rage bait

for w/e reason

[tired zodiac]

brother

thats what

ive been saying

for fucking sake

[vapid river]

i'll talk to you in like, a month

[tired zodiac]

...

fucking sake

I say smth, you come and tell me its not and then change what you said

and call me a ragebait

go up and read what i said

[tired zodiac]

literally

THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING

then why the fuck are you arguing with me

for fucking sake

[vapid river]

i never once said the dodge animation happens

you fucking clown

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

search "in:wuwa-lounge 'animation'"

i never say the dodge animation happens

the only one who brings that up is you

can you see why i think you're trolling and rage baiting?

[tired zodiac]

are you saying that it will just hitstun you and just remove what youre doing without any dodging

without any knockback?

[vapid river]

i put it in giant bold fucking letters what it says it does which is what i think it will do

this

right fucking here

you will be considered as having dodged

but you won't actually dodged in game

there won't be an animation

that's what i said

see????

this was the one

this is me saying that your ult/anchor animation might happen, not a dodge animation

[tired zodiac]

ahh

mb

[vapid river]

now you see why i think you're being a fucko?

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

b/c you're gas lighting me into thinking i said shit i obviously didn't

[tired zodiac]

mb

i assumed you were talking about dodge animations, not the character animations

mb

So what youre saying is
Brant anchors, brant gets hit, removes his anchor but would still be considered dodge without dodging
right?

[outer jetty]

I hope they make Lupa outro buff have lingering buff for like 4s when switching out.

[tired zodiac]

I never assumed you ignore gettinf dealt damage btw

[outer jetty]

It really suck outro be that way

[tired zodiac]

ha you wish

[outer jetty]

Can alway complain about this in survey

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

this is not me implying that it does

and if that's how you infer it

then you're literally taking anything i said in bad faith

in which case you can fuck right off

i'm saying it doesn't explicitly say whether it does or doesn't

[tired zodiac]

this is the beginning of the convo. I just assumed you were considering dodging animation exist

[vapid river]

we don't fucking know atp

[tired zodiac]

which lead to my misinterpretating of what you said

[vapid river]

you just want to assume it works exactly as you think it does b/c that works best for you

[tired zodiac]

no i confused what you said to that you think the dodging animation exists. It was my bad.

[vapid river]

then learn to ask better clarifying questions or pick up on the fact THAT I LITERALLY SAID OVER AND OVER THAT IDT THE ANIMATION HAPPENS

b/c i don't think the dodge animation shows up

[outer jetty]

[vapid river]

i really don't

but it still might

so i couldn't in good conscious tell someone whether it does or doesn't

but i tend to lean on the side that it won't show a dodge animation

b/c the thing doesn't mention you going through an animation and it also says that the game just considers you to having dodged without actually performing it

but i could be wrong

it's all speculative

[tired zodiac]

aight i understood your point

youre saying the interuption might still exist

[vapid river]

then hopefully you don't go back through our convo to misunderstand me again

[tired zodiac]

yes

[vapid river]

yeah. i'm saying from my own pov that the dodge animation doesn't happen. but that it also kicks you out of w/e animation you were doing and puts you in a neutral state so that you can dodge counter if you want or just run away or do literally anything

it's to save you from getting knocked back or up

[tired zodiac]

So you might get interupted then it would consider you as not being knocked over by it

[vapid river]

but that might all change

it's hard to say it's literally day 1

[tired zodiac]

basically a faster sk but without having to dodge

hopefully its not that

[tired zodiac]

it doesnt say anywhere that your hit damage will be negated either

so it would just be ass

imagine anchoring and you get hit and youre just there like 🧍 midair

while being damaged by it anyways

[neat robin]

Just gonna add
Brants s1 does NOT make him immune to knockback I saw that earlier in here

You can still get smacked out of anchor and it’ll cancel (you get shield but wont have anchor anim or deal dmg)

[knotty fiber]

The wording looks like SK to me

So there will be an animation

You still lose HP

Still considered hit

[opaque flume]

So is Lupa op

[knotty fiber]

But a successful dodge mean you will be able to cast a dodge counter

Not perfect dodge though

[opaque flume]

Is lupa better than razor

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

Lupa may be equivalent to Cyno in her best teams, but this is V1

[haughty holly]

Someone will be happy later

[knotty fiber]

Who will?

[haughty holly]

Ciaccona

[rapid dew]

is it?

lupa says automatically, sk says you need to dodge

unless its just bad translation ig

if you know chinese its clearer ig

but ye its prolly like sk but auto

so u dont forget you have it

[knotty fiber]

it's still successful dodge in the end

so yes

ok

so that's where the "lupa scaling HP" rumor came from

it came from that stupid ldshop blog

-50w yuan

[sweet coral]

All for a shitty friend btw

[limber imp]

Guys what type of dmg does cart deal

Liberation

?

[tired zodiac]

nice question

[knotty fiber]

A lot

[spice finch]

Im going for her sequences and it seems that getting copies eliminates the need for arover/cia.

Then what team comp shall I use? Solo? 😅

Or just Sk for crits

[tired zodiac]

aerover will still be good coz of the 5 star weapon and sk ig

[spice finch]

Havent checked the weapon we obtained, what does it do?

How about cia's weapon?

Im guaranteed, and can get 2 copies with corals the minimum. Planning to go S3

[tired zodiac]

[tired zodiac]

aero buff when rover has it

wait a few more days ig

aero rover can also increase max aerosion stack by 3. idk if it would matter much post 6 stacks

[spice finch]

So carthe form deals aerosion dmg and fleur just needs stacks to deal more dmg, is this right?

[knotty fiber]

No

Determination is her ult 2 energy

If you don't use fleur form you can't charge ult 2

[spice finch]

I mean in terms of aerosion, fleur doesnt deal aerosion dmg?

[knotty fiber]

No

She only stacks determination

[lyric fjord]

Hi, is cia dependant on energy to clear stuff in overworld?

Sorry meant cart

[rotund drum]

her %s on hakushit seem buggy so its hard to say but it might be ok

should be better than zani at least

although zani can at least rely on feeb while zani is on cd

[vapid river]

cart totally needs energy for overworld stuff you should aim for like 30-40%

if you're wondering about where i got those number "just trust me bro"

[rotund drum]

cart's ult deals damage by removing erosion from the target rather than zani which just charges by applying it

so its not going to be great for dealing with trash mobs who will die to one ult then you have nothing for the next group

i think ideally carly would want to just press E HA NA plunge to clear an entire group

if chaccone has enough ER she should hopefully be able to spam it on every group

[edgy cobalt]

what the yap

[rotund drum]

i think hakushit is just buggy atm because she has a billion damage values for everything and some are duplicates

also generally too high

like i doubt she actually does 160% hp damage on her plunge attack in a game where you have 10x as much hp as attack

when zani's ult does like 1200% attack

[spice finch]

Do we have new area next patch?

[neat robin]

Cia + sig vs aerover + bloodpact, if you have s2 thyia
Aerovers sequences are kinda all for personal dmg but cia will have useful outro

[rapid dew]

yes

as big as 2.0

[rapid dew]

the outro isnt doing much

[rapid dew]

its her off field aerosion app that matters

unless u stay on the ugly form

so ig there outro helps more

[knotty fiber]

which ugly form

[rapid dew]

carthe

[knotty fiber]

it's fleur that is ugly

[rapid dew]

idk dont like kid looking chars

carthe looks max 15

but well ciaccona outro is just some damage from aerosion procs ig

[spice finch]

I havent even started the rinascitta map 😥

[rapid dew]

its fast to explore

more pulls to get

[spice finch]

Ohh really?

Im overwhelmed right niw

[rapid dew]

rina is very easy

you have markers that you go to

some chests are outside of that but you are losing like 3 pulls or so max

you do markers you are mostly done

[spice finch]

Like the chest markers?

[rapid dew]

ye

rina is like 4h to explore

if you just do everything

without quests

[spice finch]

Okay. I'll start it this weekend

[knotty fiber]

I really like how her face looks

[neat robin]

I need to start winning 50/50s

I want thyia
Maybe (probably) thyia dupes
Lupa

After my cia funds assuming no earlies, I’ll have like 80 pulls going into 2.4

[tawdry pagoda]

Just lose 50/50 at 1 pity

[vapid river]

or just lose early and get it at 1

[opaque flume]

Mods get him

[tawdry pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209048464718168124/1302014665492267119/Shtap.gif

[lyric fjord]

is it me or cantarella cube in the derbie is just a debuff for her?

[dusty crown]

what is wrong with me, everytime i try to beat the final level of a hologram for the first time i try during like 30 minutes with food buffs nad stuff and never succeed

and then i try a few days later and for some reason beat it on like the 1st or 2nd try without buffs and without sweating too much

T_T

[cobalt cobalt]

Five or six days until Brant

[neat robin]

Aerover cia thyia trio
https://youtu.be/qIS4kkHUAOA?si=v-xqs8P2XKFht8_E

I’m ngl its funny hearing cia in the background

[knotty fiber]

this mf plays like a 5yo

[neat robin]

Or maybe they’re just showing off all the attacks…

I just wanna know whos using what set 😭
I want to build cia before 2.4

[spice finch]

Thats literally how I play 😥😥😅

[neat robin]

Though I’m prob just gonna use welkin cia
Whenever I get thyia dupes I wont want welkin aerover

[neat robin]

107 is a quickswap sweat its fine
If you’re clearing, you’re doing a good job

Not everyone wants to cancel all animations

[spice finch]

Quickswap is giving me headache. I do it sometimes though if i can cancel swap

[neat robin]

Wait I still dont get why fleur sword has the ???
Like I’m assuming thats gonna be ‘rover or thyia’ equipping part
But thyia has her own set

Fleur sword is part of the new set too?

[knotty fiber]

it has new set

yes

[neat robin]

Joy

[winged belfry]

In 2.4, the sword will be farmable in 2 sets.

Also, her new set will also have one other 4 cost echo.

That, and the fact that she has no Crit on her Sig, and a metric ton of DMG% in kit means that 44111 will probably be the best bet.

[knotty fiber]

exactly

and funny how

I will most likely run double crit rate cost 4

lmao

[neat robin]

Cr cdmg 4costs and 3 hp 1costs yeah?

The 5pc set has cr bonus iirc

[knotty fiber]

10%

what you gonna do about it

lol

others can use cdmg if they want their crate to be low as fuck

sure

I'm not gonna

[vapid river]

praying for crits

[neat robin]

I’m hella tired but you seem awfully aggressive tonight

[vapid river]

does she get cdmg from talents?

[knotty fiber]

Crate forte

[vapid river]

ig i could go look

that's 8% from forte

?

[neat robin]

Most of the time if you have a cdmg sig you have 1 cr 4cost

She has hp sig… so 1 cr 4cost

[vapid river]

10% from set

49.8% (assuming lowest possible cr roll on all 5 echoes) with forte and set

[neat robin]

And you want s6 so your 3rd is prob sk
12.5 more cr

[vapid river]

i thought the "ideal comp" was aerover/cia/carte?

[neat robin]

Where is she missing so much cr compared to a char with cdmg sig

[knotty fiber]

Most likely SK

[neat robin]

Like lotta has 70 cr
On paper
Cr 4cost, cdmg sig

[vapid river]

so 71.8% +12.5%

[knotty fiber]

Aerover's only values being outro and bloodpact both bricked

She has lotta amp

[vapid river]

84.3% then

if you don't have sk in your group double cr

[knotty fiber]

And S2 is literally aerover outro

[vapid river]

but double cr overcaps a bit

[neat robin]

Ok one sec
5 cr base
8 cr talents
10 cr 5pc
22 cr 4cost
6.3*5 (minimum) subs

76 cr yeah just use 1 cr 1 cdmg

[vapid river]

before sk

89%

cuz it's 76.5%

[neat robin]

Thats also coping on min rolls

[knotty fiber]

I need to see if her fleurdelys form still need aerover

[vapid river]

yeah 5x 6.3

[neat robin]

Add up to 21 extra cr if max rolls

Or whatver is it

[vapid river]

or just average 8.4

though that's not realistic either

[neat robin]

I feel like 6.9 and the 7.x are most common

[vapid river]

7.5

yeah

rarely see an 8.1

at least i rarely see them

but yeah, 1 cr 4 cost seems fine

89% cr doesn't feel cope

with sk

[neat robin]

I feel like aerover being stuck with a r1 sword is also stupid

10 aero vs 26 is a decent boost

[knotty fiber]

They are dumb

[neat robin]

And aerover sequences are shit

Like srover has spec shred

[knotty fiber]

They keep fucking gatekeeping for absolutely no reason it's beyond dumb

Did you see how long it took us to get s6 hrover?

Makes 0sense

[neat robin]

I love illusive
Played around with a lv70 danjin with lv3 talents

Still cleared
The highest she hit was like 170k thats a normal day for any built dps in tower

[vapid river]

what would feel like the "right" amount of time to wait for sequences? if we should even have to wait

b/c as the mc idk that waiting for the full kit even makes sense

why not just give the whole thing when it happens? or throughout the story of a single patch

[knotty fiber]

Ok

Lupa and Chaconne uses the same main slot

[vapid river]

the faster you do the quest the faster you get the sequences, if it absolutely has to be gated by something

[knotty fiber]

And it's a fucking cost3

[neat robin]

Its not like they hide backstory in sequences
Like relearning mc old memories

[knotty fiber]

Good luck have fun

[vapid river]

that sounds ass

[knotty fiber]

1-2 patches at best for maxed out

[neat robin]

Lemme guess

[knotty fiber]

Actually wait no

[vapid river]

?

[knotty fiber]

Chaconne doesn't use it

Lupa does

Chaconne uses the new cost 4

[neat robin]

Lupa is lib dmg, cia is ? Idk what tf she scales off tbh

[knotty fiber]

This is Lupa

[knotty fiber]

Lib or heavy

Choose your poison

Lib does slightly more tho

[neat robin]

Capitan is 3 sets soon gl zani peoples

[neat robin]

Lib and fusion passive?

[knotty fiber]

Wait I'm dumb
It's not fusion

It's aero

keklmao

[neat robin]

[knotty fiber]

12% aero and 12% lib

[neat robin]

Lib and aero passive?

[knotty fiber]

Ah

[neat robin]

So
Whats it used for

[knotty fiber]

I forgor

Lupa has the axe one

[knotty fiber]

Fleur

For ppl who wanna nuke with fleur

Rather than doing BA with Thy

YeahTHIS is Lupa's

[neat robin]

This lupas 4c

[knotty fiber]

Cost 4

12% fusion 12% lib

[neat robin]

I love they just dont translate any for en site

[knotty fiber]

Not yet

Hakushin doesn't do translation

[neat robin]

Id prefer being able to see cn version in the meantime

[knotty fiber]

They only port stuffs from beta

[neat robin]

Where do you see yours from?

[knotty fiber]

CN hakushin

[neat robin]

Ok so these are the 2 4c for fleur
Both welkin & new set?

Whats the new one have as passive, would it work on cia?

[knotty fiber]

https://ww.hakush.in/echo/6000113

12% glacio and 12% aero

It does extra dmg when using outro

So works with ciaccona

[neat robin]

Yeah its blank for me

[knotty fiber]

Change to cn

[neat robin]

Oh this is the new mephis

I saw a picture of it

Hes white and blue

[knotty fiber]

Yes

[neat robin]

Does thyia even really have a good option other than sk or aerover as 3rd slot?
Rejuv and moonlit sets both semi wasted
Verina atk buff not helpful though her rot is hella fast for heron outro ig & still has dmg buff too

And obv aerover for aerosion max stack before s2 thyia anyways
But

Oh well lots of time to make bad financial designs about thyia dupes I’ll worry later

[outer jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1316155486034198606/1373046218296529037/20250516-2114-13.6829881.mp4?ex=6828fc70&is=6827aaf0&hm=61dc3e0d624561a3f5635978d76be00f50b4079cf3d3c233acc9e95d19f89856&

Length of Cart's Ult line

[cobalt apex]

[tired zodiac]

its infinite

[ashen gulch]

I asked and someone told me that yes I just want to double check lol, ciaconna is carthe bis right?

[tired zodiac]

[lucid pebble]

The boss character when playable

[indigo nova]

What does she even do

Oh god lupa’s face is actually ugly

If she’s good she’s good I guess

All for the meta

[tired zodiac]

[neat robin]

Lupa is pretty, her outfit is questionable

Doesnt matter much anyways I saw the fusion quickswap you barely see any of them

[rapid dew]

you kinda have to see changli for fortes and lib

well you prolly have to see them all

after you outro

wasting outro buffs to qs doesnt make much sense when youre CD gated anyway

[neat robin]

You want outro buffs on the main dmg source
Brants anchor
Changli forte/lib?

You arent gonna stay on each one for 14s to keep the full buff time

[sweet coral]

NOOO BRANT

BRANT IS ELIMINATED ON ASIA

Same with Cart but this ain’t about her

[wheat moon]

What's this supposed to mean

[lyric fjord]

There is a cube race

And he is eliminated

[torn tapir]

Day 3 of Saving/Farming for Cartethyia and Lupa:

I am going to 90%+ the entirety of Rinascita.

I started on Whimpering Wastes today, barely got any asterites from that

I got 28 outta 30 stars, I figure I make more asterite by exploration and event progression rather than fighting that last 100

I started playing holograms, much more fun than I thought

My most 4 cost echoes still aren't 100% effective

I'm debating the viability of farming the 4 costs, but that time could be used to learn characters and play better, making my echo quality irrelevant. What a dilemma.

Oh btw is Zani S1 worth the coral

[indigo nova]

That’s what’s great about it yeah

Getting ciaconna, lupa AND cart would be challenging for me, but it’s ok will just win them all

Srly

[rapid dew]

20% more dmg

[tired zodiac]

[south briar]

wise wuwaing

damn it thheres no wise wuwa men ere

[knotty fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309003156834750564/1373335539901661274/image.png?ex=682a09e4&is=6828b864&hm=7cac23850bf6cf6ffad8ec6ba2746d7ce7b1c52fd08a91547cd1fa30af2141ca&

[south briar]

would. am doing. already did

also has anyone thought of a rotation from aerover and cia with carte? my brain cant think

[spice finch]

I just started the rolling dice event. Can I do it last minute?

I always claim the daily dice though

[neat robin]

If youve been collecting daily dice yeah I dont see why not

[lucid pebble]

[burnt shoal]

omg finally got 15000 points on whimpering wastes thanks to this

fibi zani so op

[lyric fjord]

prefarming going well

[burnt shoal]

barely got 4000 in infinite torrents

[lyric fjord]

use the heal-triggered buff, you're probably not using it

[tired zodiac]

try using zani team on second

[neat robin]

NA …

Brant still in it

[burnt shoal]

me just happy got 15000 am ok with current score

[tired zodiac]

Alr

[tired zodiac]

Changli, sk and thiya ded. NA is ass

[neat robin]

https://youtu.be/-7Y4xnrE56A?si=SlMHTDwMC661gMjb

They just starting showcases with animes now

[tired zodiac]

How long does it take for someone to tc weapon calcs

[opaque flume]

Fuck bro I put it all on cantrella

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[lyric fjord]

She has the worst passive, she cant win

[knotty fiber]

Some people will go rabid if I tell them CNbros are testing a different comp for Thy and it involves ||Mortefi||

[vapid river]

#KillAllM||orts||

[tawdry pagoda]

Kill all morties

[knotty fiber]

Thy is gonna use 44111 anyway

Because cost 1 has HP which she uses

[neat robin]

Nothing to do but hoard echo boxes for the moment

[knotty fiber]

Forfeiting 60% aero dmg for 44cv + 38% HP

[neat robin]

Shes gonna be annoying to farm for I’m ngl 1costs are a pain in the ass
4costs easy af now with instant respawns

[knotty fiber]

Good trade off I'd say

But then again

She has way too much HP

[neat robin]

But you cant buff hp

Theres plenty of dmg% sources

[tawdry pagoda]

I finally made 5 echoes double crit on a char

[knotty fiber]

With Welkincona + moonlit rover

She gets 231% aero dmg bonus

44111

[neat robin]

4 more days til we can see if welkin set stacks for aerover+cia

[lyric fjord]

why moonlit

it buffs atk

[knotty fiber]

only heron is needed

unless they allow welkin to be stackable

then it would be welkin x2

[lyric fjord]

oh i see

i wonder if we'll get another support set soon

[neat robin]

I feel like rot is awkward with heron
Aerover has to give up personal dmg from welkin buff/fleur sword

Pls let welkin stack

I feel like I’m gonna regret not pulling for zani

I do not want phoebe tho 😭

[neat robin]

Decent welkin set if aerover wants it
Only need to find a cdmg 4cost if cia wants it instead

[knotty fiber]

done for chaconne

this set

has

literally

0 atk roll

but at this point idgaf

I need to save tuners for thy

[neat robin]

I been struggling too lol

Its like a perfect aerover sword ig

Other 4 ive just taken the first double crits & good enough

[tawdry pagoda]

Does scar have obtainable remnants

I have a question mark in data when I click it sends me to scar dungeon

[knotty fiber]

he's not a TD

[tawdry pagoda]

I killed him like 7 times nothing dropped

[knotty fiber]

so ofc no echo

idk why fleur has droppable sword

[tawdry pagoda]

Yes but why it shows me there

[knotty fiber]

there's none

[tawdry pagoda]

I shall find that echo

[neat robin]

Send the data bank

[tawdry pagoda]

Ima start game on my phone

[knotty fiber]

funny how
fleur is the only non-nightmare boss here that shows echo drops

💀

every other one just shows their boss drop

[tawdry pagoda]

Nvm it seems like it was scar as enemy

I just haven't killed him outside of story

[neat robin]

Well I broke
Got zani, but I wont be able to use her when I’m using thyia

[knotty fiber]

Wait shit why did I send it here

[neat robin]

Well have garbage dmg% rolls
Idk just hoping I wont regret pulling her cuz I really did like her design

Best 2 teammates that arent phoeb? Srover / cia / sk

[rapid dew]

srover sk prolly

[neat robin]

Hmmm
Can prob cope with zani srover sk
And thyia cia verina(moonlit) if I really wanted to use both

[vapid river]

allat would bother me

i got super lucky farming for phoebe that i had most pieces with double crit/atk or double crit/heavy

[neat robin]

I had dps srover built before this

Then decided I didnt want phoebe

So I never kept farming radiance

[vapid river]

[neat robin]

I already know ive just been convincing myself not to pull phoebe the entire time
Nothing appealing about her char design to me
But the fact ive been talking myself out if it on both her banners now

[rotund drum]

shes cool

shes basically ragna the bloodedge

[edgy cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/blazblue-ragna-the-bloodedge-gif-7152334470814676711

feebedge

[ashen gulch]

the theory is that carthe bis team is mono aero? So like carthe, ciaconna, aero rover?

[neat robin]

Yeah or carte cia sk with carte sequences

[terse oak]

Still faraway to participate at anniversary event. Just returned to the game smh.

[south briar]

wise men of wuwa

i aint got no idea wat to give cia ngl

[terse oak]

For now, Imma use Anemo Rover-Baizhi-Jianxin for grinding, and try to rush out as f-ck as I can have time.

[terse oak]

I should've rest for now. Continue tmr.

[neat robin]

Illusive stats dumb

Too bad I couldnt find the bonus cdmg stuff this run

[ashen gulch]

how much er does ciaccona needs?

[vapid river]

tree fiddy

[neat robin]

Hm

[vapid river]

.>

707 cdmg

and it's only level 9/13

idk if it'll go higher than 1811.4%

so i lied

and uhh

the boss died

to a res skill

i didn't even get to see damage numbers show up

did she just hit for 408 million damage????

??????

40,894,329,244

ain't no fucking way

@warm vector

look at this shit

[warm vector]

hm?

yeha

seems about right

[vapid river]

my lotta did 40 billion damage

that's all one number

[warm vector]

yup

[vapid river]

WDYM "yup"

[warm vector]

the buffs in this week

[vapid river]

?????

[warm vector]

are a bit

ridiculous

[vapid river]

they're fucking insane

i've seen like tens of millions

[warm vector]

i was hitting like

1bil

[vapid river]

not hundreds

[warm vector]

per the like

standard ults

[vapid river]

i was so flabergasted i forgot to look at the things i picked

metaphors

[warm vector]

and the big hits were close to 11 digits

[vapid river]

like i was so confused

[warm vector]

imagine just how crazy it's gonna get

in actual illusive realm

[vapid river]

i just kept attacking

[warm vector]

I CAN'T WAIT

[vapid river]

i wish this boss had, unironically, trillions of more hp

i wonder what her ult last hit would have done

how much would her last hit have done

quadrillions?

[warm vector]

perhaps.

[vapid river]

also

can't believe i've been sleeping on this

why farm tacet fields when you can just farm this

and pick which sets you want

it's the same amount of tuners/tubes too

[warm vector]

nah but it's slower

the only reason you do it

is for prefarming

[vapid river]

true

[vapid river]

imagine if i get heavy atk instead of res lib

lowkey want to use the right

[warm vector]

meh

[vapid river]

just cuz higher atk and cdmg

[warm vector]

they're both ass

no cr-

oh right

[vapid river]

isn't heavy not really that good?

[warm vector]

fucking

[vapid river]

[warm vector]

whale

[vapid river]

you forget

i don't need cr

[warm vector]

it's = to flat atk

[vapid river]

heavy atk is?

what is lib?

[warm vector]

mhm

[vapid river]

like a quarter of that?

[warm vector]

even worse

[vapid river]

yeah

[warm vector]

about

no hold on

[vapid river]

and she doesn't need the er

[warm vector]

let me clear smth up

[vapid river]

so it's kinda 2 dead stats

[warm vector]

10% hvy dmg bonus

is about equal to

FOURTY flat atk

specifically 40

[vapid river]

yeah

it's not good

[warm vector]

50 is objectively better

[vapid river]

for w/e reason

[warm vector]

and 60 is leagues better

just how the game is

atk% is always gonna be better than any dmg bonus

[neat robin]

When no atk buffers

[warm vector]

on any atk scaling dps

[warm vector]

GOOD

[vapid river]

yeah i'll go with the aero prism for now

[warm vector]

THIS IS A GOOD THING

THIS IS AN AMAZING THING

WUWA DOES NOT NEED A BENNETT

[vapid river]

she still has 40% heavy atk

so

[warm vector]

(shorekeeper is practically bennett but we dont talk ab it)

[vapid river]

not the end of the world

she's just bigger circle impact

[neat robin]

Whats up with the augustus leaks too
Girl looks fire (pun intended) and shes gonna be our 2.6 electro ??

[vapid river]

fox was saying "electro" is just a placeholder

since that's how it was for jinhsi

and someone else

in the beta

well pre beta

like early early leak stuff

[neat robin]

Istg anything but spectro

[warm vector]

i disagree

i do not think it's a placeholder

[vapid river]

it happened twice in the past

i could see it happening again

[warm vector]

yes.

however

[vapid river]

i personally don't care either way

i won't be pulling unless she helps jiyan

[warm vector]

the likelihood of her being fusion is like

nigh 0

because lupa is also fusion broadblade and she's coming out soon

[neat robin]

I’m good cuz I can skip phrolov and nobody else is leaked for 2.5 afaik

[warm vector]

so like

a 2nd fusion broadblade wouldn't make sense

in back to back patches ykwim

[neat robin]

Yuonou (pls) for jiyan team & probably augustus in 2.6

[warm vector]

and we haven't had a limited electro since fucking XLY

and he was free

before him was yinlin

it's about damn time for an electro unit

[neat robin]

3rd electro broadblade

[vapid river]

nah feed us more spectro

[warm vector]

lumi isn't real

[neat robin]

Nooo

No spectro

[vapid river]

honestly i do want aero, but not aerosion

legit not interested

[neat robin]

I already said I wasnt pulling zani & got her
And phoeb fuck

[vapid river]

easy skip

82.9%cr with buffs, 347.4% cdmg

[neat robin]

I just want yuonou to be aero sanhua for heavy
Do shit & swap off in 5s
Give next char energy like zz can

[vapid river]

my ratio is way off

[neat robin]

I’m prob gonna be too broke for lupa

Idk if I really care, I’ll prob get on rerun

[knotty fiber]

It is somewhat as good as atk% for zani

[vapid river]

i thought it was comparabel to flat atk?

[knotty fiber]

Zani has a decent amount of atk while lacking dmg bonus

[knotty fiber]

That is cap

🚮

[vapid river]

so you're saying the left is probably better overall?

b/c it's 3 subs for dmg

instead of 2

both have flat 50 atk so i'm not counting that

[knotty fiber]

Do you lack er for a normal rot

If yes, then keep right

[vapid river]

maybe?

[knotty fiber]

If no, then left

[vapid river]

for perspective she's s6r1

so

[knotty fiber]

In the end

[vapid river]

i haven't had to go more than 1 full rot

[knotty fiber]

Both are kind of the same

Doesn't really matter

[vapid river]

ye, but she's definitely lacking in er if she had to go more than 1... probably

that puts her at 130.8%

i think like 125ish would be ideal

[knotty fiber]

Just saying

[vapid river]

yeah they're about a horse a piece

[knotty fiber]

A normal Zani has about 3k atk and 110% heavy dmg bonus in combat

Heavy takes up about 75% of her total dmg output

50 atk gives 1.67% dmg boost

[vapid river]

heavy atk is at 50.3%

how tf you getting 110% heavy?

[knotty fiber]

While 10% heavy gives about 3.57% total dmg up

[vapid river]

i must have fucked something up

[knotty fiber]

All dmg bonuses

lol

All dmg bonuses for only heavy

Point is

It requires a ridiculous amount of dmg bonus to bring heavy dmg down to the level of flat atk

[knotty fiber]

What setup is this, atk ele or ele ele

[vapid river]

ele/ele

[warm vector]

LMAO

[vapid river]

i've literally only been farming her set

and i want to replace these

b/c of low cdmg

[neat robin]

I’ll take your pieces then

Look at that dmg% mess

[vapid river]

like

two of these are for a phoebe set

[warm vector]

meh

i don't have a single hvy dmg bonus roll on my zani build

and she still does a metric ton

atk% is simply superior

[vapid river]

the other 4cost is bad, double crit with er

[neat robin]

I dont even know what zani rot is supposed to look like

[warm vector]

simple!

get her bar filled with phoebe

swap onto zani

[knotty fiber]

Atk% is

[warm vector]

get the enhanced skill off

[knotty fiber]

Flat atk isn't

[warm vector]

ult and go unga bunga

[warm vector]

do you have a source to back up that claim

[neat robin]

What ult, spam na, enhanced na/skill, 2nd ult?

[knotty fiber]

Heavy dmg roll is in the middle of atk% and flat atk

[vapid river]

her ult is spam na

you're not wrong

[knotty fiber]

I do
Do you

[vapid river]

[warm vector]

yeah

it's called maygi.cc

what's yours

[knotty fiber]

Maygi LMAO

[warm vector]

❓

[neat robin]

but yeah do I use the enhanced na/skill whenever it shows up?
And how long do I have before ult runs out cuz I obv need to use 2nd ult before that

[warm vector]

you're funny

[vapid river]

no no, you don't get it

you just spam

[knotty fiber]

Sorry I can't talk to anyone who takes maygi's calc seriously

[warm vector]

what you can't provide sources either?

lmao

[vapid river]

realistically you enhanced twice and then ult on the third

[neat robin]

… I see

[vapid river]

i think i've shared my 17ish second dirge clear

somewhere in here

[neat robin]

Hmm also looks like another illusive update for 2nd half

[vapid river]

though that rot is a bit different

[warm vector]

there's some like

shenanigans you can do with zani

where you can walk cancel the first na in lib

but i don't really do all that because by the 2nd nightfall the enemy is already dead

[vapid river]

the first one i saw it was

get the counter on zani
insta swap off counter to sk
sk rot
phoebe rot
enhanced counter with zani
ult

[warm vector]

so kinda no need to

[vapid river]

i'm not gonna talk about cancels

she does so much damage

[vapid river]

if you're worried abou the few seconds it takes like

idk

[warm vector]

ok but where is it from

[vapid river]

go sweat elsewhere

[warm vector]

i can make pie charts too you know

and im a fucking idiot

[knotty fiber]

I forgor where I put the one with better chart

So use this from wutheringlab instead

[neat robin]

Ok thats kinda what ive been doing

I just have lv2 fortes on zani rn so dmg is mid

25-30k nas 75k 2nd ult

[vapid river]

it'll work for the most part, if you skip out on the counter at the start of zani's full rot you'll have to counter or attack a bit to build concerto but you should have it filled

or the thing should be dead

but that's just what i do, idk if it's correct or not

[knotty fiber]

Even prydshit which uses maygi as a big reference also says heavy > flat atk kek

[neat robin]

What do I even do with phoebe I dont like her
Full forte hold skill, na/heavy & outro off?

[knotty fiber]

Yes

[vapid river]

yeah

[knotty fiber]

BAx3 or dodge counter

[vapid river]

if you have heron you can heron/outro

[knotty fiber]

Then heavy

Twice

Then off

[neat robin]

Yeah heron

Shes lv40

Maybe

No dmg

[vapid river]

yeah phoebe is pretty straightforward

apply the frazzle

then gtfo

[knotty fiber]

She doesn't have much dmg with Zani anyway

Unless S2

[neat robin]

Nah s0 with cosmic

[knotty fiber]

That's fine

[neat robin]

Amd moonlit
So even less dmg

[knotty fiber]

Her main purposes there are just frazz app + outro

[vapid river]

i want to work on a good moonlit set for phoebe

but like

for why

it's not going to make her do much more damage

not in confession anyway

[knotty fiber]

Pull s2

Ez

[vapid river]

she's s4

it's still meh

😭

[neat robin]

I gave her double spectro
I wont farm for double crit everything

Its like 50/210 or something lol

[knotty fiber]

Akshually not s2

S3

[vapid river]

this was her ult dmg

😭

heavies

ult dmg on the dirge

heavies

i can't imagine how much lower it'd be if not for s4

or s3, whichever increases her personal damage

[knotty fiber]

Ah here we go

From fractured shore

[vapid river]

she's hitting 34k on her outro though

[vapid river]

i was unaware of wutheringlab

i'll have to bookmark this

though idk where that bar graph came from

i'd be willing to bet from the same site just different place

[knotty fiber]

Fractured shore

Very credible

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

people who actually knew how to play and knew Maygi since tof wouldn't put all their money on her

certified cactus cc

even so

[vapid river]

cactus b/c she's prickly?

i've never heard this expression

[knotty fiber]

I doubt maygi would say flat atk > heavy roll

[knotty fiber]

back in tof

we had a dummy to test the damage of a comp within a period of time

and the dummy was a cactus

[vapid river]

ah

[knotty fiber]

it's never a practical number because it differs a lot in actual combat

[vapid river]

damage meters and dummies would be nice

yeah, actual enemies move and stuff

[knotty fiber]

but she only tested on cactus for meters

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

so we memed her for that

[tired zodiac]

I mean, if you want to check how much of a difference there is between flat atk and heavy, can't you just use a damage calculator and check?

[terse oak]

So cute

[tawdry pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/illya-illyasviel-von-einzbern-death-fate-zero-illya-death-gif-25420229

[vapid river]

you gotta talk a lot more

if you want gif/image perms

[rotund drum]

just shitpost something and one of the kusoshills will get mad and argue with you

instant level up

[vapid river]

yeah just bitch like a bitch about something a bitch would bitch about

[rotund drum]

shouldn't be hard to find something if the topic is wuwa lmao

[vapid river]

gacha in general really

why do we play such dogshit games

[tawdry pagoda]

Because we lack some earn/win situation in our life and winning some char or drop gives us fake stimulation about earning and we gamble without being legally limited

[tawdry pagoda]

I don't talk

I listen

[vapid river]

.> i can just go to a casino for actual gambling

[tawdry pagoda]

Yes but you always lose at casino

Here you get cute anime chars

[vapid river]

more often than not

but not always