・wuwa-lounge

[rotund drum]

yeah and its ass because feeb's doesnt reset

so you have to exit out and afk for it to recharge

[lyric fjord]

phoebe NEEDS her forte to do anything, she is not even a character until she picks a form

[knotty fiber]

neither is Carlotta

and she needs lib even

they don't reset lib cooldown

[lyric fjord]

i have 0 issue with carlotta having no forte

[knotty fiber]

[rotund drum]

how much does kusogames pay you to post this shit

[lyric fjord]

carlotta doesn't need to ult before zhezhi gives her buffs anyway

[knotty fiber]

you don't play her lib as opening I see

[lyric fjord]

and god damn outro phoebe into zani in holograms is ASS, i can't see any of the boss' animations for 3s straight because of the lights

[lyric fjord]

playing lib as opening with no buffs nor her forte is trolling

[knotty fiber]

it really is not unless you know nothing about quickswapping

[lyric fjord]

quickswapping in a zhezhi world

[rotund drum]

more like slowswapping lmao

[knotty fiber]

what

why not

[rotund drum]

it does no damage anyway

[knotty fiber]

[rotund drum]

its not worth the time or the effort spent

[lyric fjord]

after over 40 tries with zani team against a zani chilled hologram, one try of carlotta obliterated it

she is so undertuned and not fit for the game's content

[knotty fiber]

Zani undertuned
You skill issued

[lyric fjord]

[knotty fiber]

You know

there was a better way to say it

"they should have reset all the cooldown too"

instead of "they clearly don't play her" because this shit applies to everybody

[knotty fiber]

even camel's forte is on cooldown and she's exactly this

[tired zodiac]

man

[knotty fiber]

I don't even understand what 3x forte means

[tired zodiac]

yeah pheobe being stuck on her forte kinda feels bad to use

[tired zodiac]

the skill ig

i heard its hard

idk much i just heard about it coz its better than sk apparently

[knotty fiber]

More work, slightly better

Barely any better

Only if you have high crit rate

The lower the crit rate the worse off it is compared to SK

[tired zodiac]

is uhh 75-80 high cr?

with echo buff

[knotty fiber]

Low to me

[tired zodiac]

i dont have a lot of double crits

[knotty fiber]

[tired zodiac]

need to farm more

i have 1200 money

broke as fuck

107 if you see any rotation guide on zani pheobe srover pls send here

thanks

[knotty fiber]

I don't have any and I don't see any

[tired zodiac]

[knotty fiber]

I have 2 friends who are willing to let me borrow their accounts

but they both have S6

:/

so I can't work something out of their accounts

[tired zodiac]

will be 90 cr when i max her (shes underleveled coz im broke)

[neat robin]

I’m being baited by another dirge

I need double crit 😭

Stopppp at least cr instead of cdmg

[cobalt apex]

im suprised u went that far

[rotund drum]

they removed the respawn timers on those at least

the nightmares are literally just bash the boss as fast as you can

[neat robin]

It was 3/3 so I just maxed it

I shouldnt have

[storm needle]

The one costs are pain

[dusty crown]

The game decided I got zani

Another sub 30 pull, that's 3 in a row lel

Should have been smarter with the weapon though and go for tragicomedy instead of her sign

[dapper oar]

all done and i can kinda confidentally say that fleurdelys is the most annoying one

all with carlotta except sentry because i cannot see what the enemy is doing if i use close combat

[burnt shoal]

encore so op

[rotund drum]

theres no good way to get spectro set capitanaeii huh

good game balance

[dusty crown]

That's why the modifier thing exists 😭

[rotund drum]

you still have to get spectro set capitanaeii

from what i can tell it only drops in open world

the tacet field doesnt drop it

the best way to do it might unironically be to just farm trash echoes for the reroller

you can do it endlessly with nightmares now at least

and heron basically just sits there

[burnt shoal]

omg so close

[dusty crown]

Yeah. Got 5 last night

Would be impossible without the modifier to get a spectro one

[burnt shoal]

yay finally cleared floor 4

[neat robin]

Idk the aero field drops capitans

Havent needed to farm spectro but itd be weird if they didnt drop there

[rotund drum]

they only drop aero capitans

i was dumping into spectro tacet for a while and have 0 capitans so obv it doesnt drop there

[neat robin]

Nah theres spectro caps in fields

How many goddamn dirges do I need to upgrade

30+ now

No double crit

Oh I lied
3 more tries after

Still garbage tho

[edgy cobalt]

funny enough the spectro captains rarely drop for me, its possible however

[neat robin]

Done

Now I need a double crit nm monkey for jiyan

[warped willow]

is my birthday

claim reward later

[spice finch]

Cant wait for carthe leaks

[vapid river]

yeah so about that

ik bro loves to complain

but at least make sure what you're complaining about is valid

[rotund drum]

which field is that

[vapid river]

radiance/frosty one

they won't show up if you don't have them in your databank

[neat robin]

I also found mine in tide/radiance

They drop anywhere
Aero set
Both spectro spots

[rotund drum]

i afk'd that one for all of 3.2 but only have one cap so its probably rare if anything

no cap fr on god

[vapid river]

not rare just dogshit luck

i got 2 in that one run

[rotund drum]

they should just put caps in the gacha

instead of shitty 3* weapons

[rotund drum]

btw does anyone know if zani's superfrazzle works for stuff other than the set bonus

like heron or feeb

too lazy to test

aix or feeb*

birb

[opaque flume]

I heard it doesn’t work for feeb

But I think it works for aix

[rotund drum]

imagine buying a 5* who relies on a specific gimmick and makes it so no one else can use that gimmick

literally pay2lose

[worldly bane]

is wuwa better than genshin

[rotund drum]

depends on how you define better

wuwa imo has a better combat system and dialogue skip but the character and environment designs are all pretty uninspired

and 1.x was aggressively turbochinese

imagine hsr luofu arc but somehow worse

💤 is starting the chinatown arc too

hundreds of hours of dialogue about the liondance festival commission and the wishing firecracker shows

[opaque flume]

Riniscita is pretty peak

[rotund drum]

its just space italy

the characters are mostly just knockoffs too

its like that other gacha that just genderswapped characters

idk if they ever got sued

[vapid river]

don't listen to anything simp says. he views the world through a dark grey veil

[tired zodiac]

Did we get a new tacet field?

[tired zodiac]

I think 2.2 didn't have it. I don't remember getting one either

I assume they did it in 2.3

[vapid river]

nah i remember getting them after getting them in the database

[tired zodiac]

I farmed for the entire 2.2 and don't remember getting any

I had to farm him in avinolum

Didn't get any better either

Ass luck maybe

[opaque flume]

Why are yall farming him

[neat robin]

No
The aerosion/havoc field was last patch

[tired zodiac]

Pheobe, zani

[rotund drum]

he has a better main echo passive than aix

and a roughly comparable call

its a small diff though

[sweet coral]

Gacha games always need a location based on China for some reason

I mean it’s cool

[tired zodiac]

coz chinese games

[rotund drum]

the china zones tend to be pretty lame

they probably feel obligated to show off how culturally relevant and sophisticated china is

while avoiding any controversial plotlines

[opaque flume]

I thought aix had spectro frazzle amp

[tired zodiac]

nu

[sweet coral]

Nah

Just 12% Spectro DMG Bonus

While Capi has the same + 12% Heavy ATK bonus

Idk why people didn’t use that one over Aix for Phoebe tbh

[knotty fiber]

1. Pheeb was 2.1 and Capitaneus was introduced in 2.2
2. Pheeb's dmg is too spread out, not worth

[sweet coral]

Capi offers the same amount of Spectro buff as Aix though

Along with the Heavy ATK bonus

[knotty fiber]

capitaneus has lower personal dmg

the echo dmg

[sweet coral]

Ah

[knotty fiber]

and pheeb's heavy isn't 75~80% of her kit like Zani

[sweet coral]

So Phoebe’s personal damage with the boost isn’t enough to compete with the damage Aix offers?

[knotty fiber]

and she also has quite an amount of dmg bonus like other dps

[knotty fiber]

it is but not big enough

Zani is 75~80% heavy

and has only around 100% dmg bonus

which is why capitaneus is a good investment for her

[sweet coral]

I see

Bruh can Kuro bless me with luck once more

[knotty fiber]

if Zani gains like 6% from cap

[sweet coral]

Drop me that Phoebe

[knotty fiber]

then pheeb gains like 2% or 3% tops

[sweet coral]

Ay gimme that Cardcaptor

[tired zodiac]

The dmg increase to spec frazzle applied enemies is aix dmg i believe

[opaque flume]

Oh you hella right

[rotund drum]

because aix is a shitfucker to farm

capitan even

still is

[dusty crown]

Is it better to run radiance on fib with zani or moonlit

[hasty karma]

is stringmaster on phoebe good enough

[rotund drum]

yeah

most of her damage actually comes from the frazzlespam now

and im not sure it scales with anything

[hasty karma]

btw what boss is zani main echo

I havent played in a couple of months

[rotund drum]

super mourning aix?

you have to find it on the map

[hasty karma]

I see a nightmare mourning aix

[warped willow]

oh

[wheat moon]

yup

[rotund drum]

did you pick roccia

[karmic blaze]

capitaneus goes on zani’s main slot, its a 3 cost

[rotund drum]

yeah if you can get one

aix is infinite spawn now so its ez farm

relatively anyway

[warped willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351435693980782645/1367309034822303836/image.png?ex=68141d45&is=6812cbc5&hm=85c7e9cb32dc02545dceeb88a1d550914629732c82188879ddbd3935444dda33&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800

no

this is so cute i think i might die

[tired zodiac]

Frazzle set has only nm mourning aix. Her main echo would be capi

[lyric fjord]

mourning aix does less dmg than capi, with zani, since you can't apply SF on enemies

[knotty fiber]

they were asking for pheeb

pheeb when going with Zani does not use radiance

[vapid river]

buffed

unbuffed

she's really missing atk

[neat robin]

Unbuffed with 328 cdmg??

[vapid river]

she's 2

so 20% cr

i can afford a cdmg aix

the cr one puts me at 91% cr

[neat robin]

Ah

[vapid river]

yeah she should have 49.3%cr

but 20 from s2 and 20 from set and 12.5 from sk

[neat robin]

Flat out 20% cr

[vapid river]

yeah, kinda crazy

no conditions

or on specific attacks

just straight up 20% cr

cuz why not

[neat robin]

Carla and brant cr buffs dont show in stats cuz its only their big hits that get it

[neat robin]

My eyes hurt playing this abowser thing

Way too many effects going on

[untold tiger]

hpw tob uild

[opaque flume]

What is zani talent prio

What do I upgrade

[knotty fiber]

forte lib skill

intro = ba

[tired zodiac]

Everything duh

[tired zodiac]

107 107

[knotty fiber]

What

[tired zodiac]

how much dps on average would you need in current toa

in middle chamber

[knotty fiber]

Don't ask me numbers like dps or dpm or dpr

[tired zodiac]

ok

[knotty fiber]

And asking me those of all people is the worst thing

[tired zodiac]

can you clear middle content with lingyang's best team?

[knotty fiber]

.

I don't play furry

But you should be

[tired zodiac]

[tired zodiac]

alr

[knotty fiber]

Provided the stages aren't against his favor

[tired zodiac]

[drifting adder]

what's phoebe weapon in zani team?

[lyric fjord]

Favonius

Just ocean's gift or her sig

[dapper oar]

im using stringmaster is it ok

[burnt shoal]

woa achievement

[hasty karma]

Since I've been gone for awhile I don't have materials to lv up this team

[rotund drum]

you can whale for mats

just trade in your stardusts

[hasty karma]

I have 0

[burnt shoal]

yay finally cleared middle floors

[vapid river]

bro you might wanna talk to an optometrist

[rotund drum]

wait till you see the color minigame in the 2.x zones

[burnt shoal]

yay first time 30 star

yay don't need shorekeeper too to clear

[neat robin]

Have you been playing the tower?
3 cubes with 3 effects each

The entire screen is literally all flashy colours

[vapid river]

the abbowser thing?

[neat robin]

Ye

[vapid river]

nope

[neat robin]

Its your own char team
Plus 3 cube chars that can each use 3 skills

I have like 2 roccia suc
Phoebe+zani disco
Jinhsi laser beam spinning in circles
Sk realm

[vapid river]

[errant mirage]

I have Pheobe (has sig wepaon) and Carlotta (no sig weapon) should i pull Zani or Zhezhi??

[neat robin]

Do you have jinhsi?
Zhezhi works for both carla & hsi
Phoebe has a team with her being main dps already, but if you like zani you can pull her

Basically depends on account state
zz would give a new team
Zani just takes over phoebe team

[errant mirage]

i dont have her unfortunately

i mean true feeb is already a team of her own but i technically pulled her for zani

but i NEVER expected zz to rerun with her

[neat robin]

Realistically
Zani will rerun before zz gets another one

Gotta pick who you like more ig

[errant mirage]

i see thank u!

[tired zodiac]

depends on whom you like more tbh.
Damage wise zani would be higher

You can also consider the fact that pheobe by herself can be a dps

with spectro rover

if you dont have enough teams

[rotund drum]

sounds sus

you'll probably want aerover for carlethyia too

zani kinda feels like a bandaid fix for feeb with the whole making frazzle actually deal damage gimmick

and not actually needing to apply it on every single mob to function

nothing like one-shotting a mob with one feeb nuke then doing literally no damage until srover ult comes back

[tired zodiac]

🤷‍♂️

Well i agree for the fact that we don't have enough frazzle application characters

They never said anything about wanting thiya. It was a question between zani or zhezhi

[vapid river]

@neat robin

if i have this

first

and then i get this

will it fix my atk at 2k?

[placid holly]

no

[vapid river]

bet

i checked if a % change would do anything

and it didn't

but this seemed more strict so i wasn't sure

going in with this for stats

surely i get to zani's rot

b/c i haven't been able to at all on bosses yet

phoebe kills them

pardun

well

fuck it

phoebe killed after the first enhanced heavy

[neat robin]

Yeah if you get ‘fixed atk’ or ‘fixed hp’ items first
You wont be affected by anything afterwards that changes those stats

[rotund drum]

do they ever explain why zani is spectro even though shes a demon

other than because feeb needed bandaid

shouldnt she be havoc or pyro

[delicate skiff]

She is not a demon, the horns and tails are the effect of her forte awakening

[rotund drum]

into her demon form yeah

[neat robin]

She looks more lion when shes in ult state

[neat robin]

I had to turn bloom back off

Like wtf is happening

[vapid river]

oh holy shit

that's kinda bad

[tired zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-thinking-about-you-think-thinking-of-you-gif-20503421

probably coz

uhh

its not linked to havoc

or threnodians

[neat robin]

I’m being flashbanged by zani cube

[neat robin]

Can we just talk about the cubes all having similar skills to the chars main dmg ability

& cartethyia cube has that sword barrage thing

[tired zodiac]

oh wait wrong channel

[neat robin]

Now I wait for lv21 tomorrow

[rotund drum]

hopefully lv22 saves this event

its literally just the usual generic fight mobs with special echoes crap with the echoes reskinned as cubes

[neat robin]

Do you ever have fun

Do you even know what the word fun means

[rotund drum]

yeah

thats how i know this aint it

[neat robin]

Then leave 🙄

[rotund drum]

i want the primogems

thats how they get you

spend money so you can get free stuff more easily > getting free stuff sucks too much > have to spend money to make up for not doing it

[neat robin]

Sounds more like addict
Wont play but need the shiny rocks

[edgy cobalt]

take a shot everytime ninjy falls for his ragebaits

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

[neat robin]

I should honestly just block
I think I lose braincells every time I see him bitching

[burnt shoal]

super saiyan hair = spectro /s

https://tenor.com/view/super-sonic-sonic-frontiers-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-frontiers-gif-26712806

[edgy cobalt]

whew I could go for s2 zani or go for whatever the red head girl is next banner

23.6% HA all practically quad liners but some low rolls

[edgy cobalt]

leaving some notes so I can come back here for reference

• s0r1 zani, phoebe w/ stringmaster and s0r0 sk
• practically a 47-48s clear, under the best circumstances I can shave down to 45s, potentially lower but otherwise that's as far as I'll get
• one rot = 1/3 hp remaining because I don't have phoebe sig (huge), sk sig (not as huge), and maybe I might need to grind for 20% more HA% (questionable) so I have to run almost two rots on dirge, otherwise I could one rot him but my hands and laptop will prolly cap me to 25s at best, being 5s shy of the golden 20s record

[neat robin]

And this tower is specifically designed to buff zani team

[tired zodiac]

tbh still good.

The events are not as time consuming

so i dont see the problem

[dusty crown]

The interface is bloated

That's the problem

I shouldn't have to scroll and search for an event basically

There's like just too much stuff happening at once and it feels overwhelming. They should add another tab for anniversary or something, idk

[tired zodiac]

there is a total of 2 events rn and are available without having to scroll. The rest are either reward pages or Weekly, Whiwa and Hologram reminders and New character trials which are at the bottom

It is not bloated. It just has whatever you can do if you wanted to do it in one place.
If all you want to do is current events its all listed at the top

[blissful tulip]

What he's saying is that it will end up easier to just divide events into folders or categories

[tired zodiac]

instead of scrolling you would be clicking another button

idt the order would change by much

[dusty crown]

I'm playing in 1440 and have to scroll up and down.

Don't even want to imagine on mobile.

[burnt shoal]

is there no way to convert weapon into exp

[dusty crown]

If an UI causes a "what the hell am I supposed to do" reaction it isn't exactly a good UI design

[tired zodiac]

...

[dusty crown]

Tabs are cleaner and more elegant that scrolling.

Or they could work on how they bulk events

The gift that will be given in 20+ days being there is extremely dumb

The returnee referral event could be thrown elsewhere

And it's just going to be worse as more events start in this version since most of the events that are in there will last the whole version :/

also doesn't help that the notification thing on the left sometimes disappears on selection, meaning if it's the first item that's not on screen, it's very easy to miss as you scroll down

(especially relevant to controller users)

[neat robin]

No its bad
Hes only at 59 cr (+s1 bonus)
I got a double crit finally tho

59/276 or something
259 er

Just need new nm monkey& crownless

Then I’m basically done except minmaxing

But cia soon and idk how to build her
Moonlit seems most likely for thyia team

[tired zodiac]

Seems good enough

[hasty karma]

So what's the elf girl do that's coming second half

I need more supports if she's a good support

[dusty crown]

hard to tell if she's gonna be a good support before knowing Cart's kit

she mostl likely will be her BiS support but we don't know yet if it's gonna be a phoebe+zani situation or not

one leaker said it shouldn't be as bad as that iirc

[tired zodiac]

Well
Idk about her damage potential but buffs aerosion and applies it. Can be a spectro frazzle buffer too

[burnt shoal]

does ciaccona work with fibi

[tired zodiac]

Probably

[hasty karma]

so far these are my teams

still leveling up units tbf

[tired zodiac]

Good enough

The big three

[dusty crown]

her liberation can apply spectro frazzle in AoE at intervals (every 2 or so seconds i think ?)

so she might be pretty decent for fibi in whiwa

[burnt shoal]

ohhhh

[dusty crown]

but it's just one stack

at each tick

[vapid river]

skill issue. just don't get overwhelmed

[tired zodiac]

I understand there's a lot of stuff but i don't understand how having to scroll is an issue tbh. If they seperated it, they would just move the bottom half to another area which you will have to button click

[dusty crown]

It might be worse in my eyes since i'm on a controller, but evne then they should AT LEAST throw things with notis at the top

[tired zodiac]

Makes sense

[dusty crown]

at least you wouldn't have to scroll each time to find that noti that ends up disappearing on selection, once almost forgot about the weekly thing because of that 😐

[tired zodiac]

I think there is one which is just 10 wishes locked for 21 days

[tired zodiac]

Ahh. Makes sense. Coz of controller

[tired zodiac]

Weekly thing didn't have notification. I think they added it in 2.3. i feel like i saw a ping

[vapid river]

still sounds skill issue

[tired zodiac]

Tbh understandable if it's coz of controller

I wouldn't want to click on smth I don't want to and lose notif either

[vapid river]

no it's not

it's the same thing

the only thing that would improve is if you could pin notifs to the top

otherwise it's the same amount of button presses/directional arrow presses

instead of clicking down 8 times

[tired zodiac]

Doesn't it remove notification tho?

[vapid river]

you right bumper 1 and click down 7

[tired zodiac]

Or does controller have a scroll without clicking on it?

[vapid river]

yeah in the pinning of the notifs to the top

that would be the best

realistically

but this is such a fuckin nonissue it's hard for me to take anyone complaining about it seriously

"oh god i have to waste an extra 5 seconds finding the thing i want"

go eat paste

[tired zodiac]

I don't use controller so i assumed you move through each individually and lose all notif. If you don't Idt it's an issue either

[vapid river]

you only lose the notif if you do the thing the notif wants you to do

in the events tab

the only way this goes away

is if i click on obtain dice

and go and use them

and claim the rewards if i go around

i literally have to do the event for it to go away

[tired zodiac]

What about weekly? Can you check?

[vapid river]

no

[tired zodiac]

Next week

[knotty fiber]

I'm surprised that they haven't dealt with the 1-star to 3-star weapons

can't they just let us salvage them into weapon xp

[vapid river]

or credits

actually what do people do with excess weapons?

[knotty fiber]

enhancing 20 every time is pain in the ass

[vapid river]

i haven't had an issue with it

so idk

i'm at 689/2000

so

[tired zodiac]

You can use them to level weapons up

It's just time consuming

[dusty crown]

No. 1 list of 10 elements need 9 presses to get to the bottom (9 down). 2 lists of 5 elements need a maximum of 5 presses (1 right 4 down) to get to the bottom of the second list.

[vapid river]

bro stfu

go kick rocks

you're bitching about something that's literally just an extra bit of time out of your day

[tired zodiac]

I use em to level up. By clicking 200 times (exaggerated)

[vapid river]

find something better to cry about

[vapid river]

not exaggerated i do too

but it's kinda w/e

it would be nice if i could put in as many weapons as it would take to max level

but i can live with it

[vapid river]

though this would make way more sense

very viable fix

[knotty fiber]

why would you think I didn't know it

[tired zodiac]

You can just click 3 star or less. Idt it would go up to 200 times

[knotty fiber]

💀

[tired zodiac]

Idk

[knotty fiber]

time consuming is my point

[dusty crown]

UX and things being easy to figure out/understand are pretty important components in any design, whether it be software, web or game 🤷🏻‍♂️ And currently it's pretty awful for controller users, likely not as much for m+k

[vapid river]

so get mnk

[tired zodiac]

I realised you knew after I typed it

Didn't care to delete coz lazy

[vapid river]

or deal with them not caring about controller qol

or write about it in the surveys they put out often

they seem to listen to community feedback

enough people say something about something and they generally take a look at things

they've made constant changes to shit in the game

but saying "oh it's overwhelming" then finding out "i'm on controller and it takes more time" is the real reason you have an issue with it

makes you look well

like you've got nothing better to do than complain

spend more of that time fishing through menus in the events tab

[rotund drum]

hopefully the steam ver fixes the notification syncing

nothing like starting the game on a different device and having to click 50 things just to make the !s go away

[dusty crown]

it's both, there's a ton of stuff happening at the same thing and it's not the best ui to navigate through it

[vapid river]

brother you scroll down

💀

it's not hard

or overwhelming

breathe

[dusty crown]

also : you've spent more time complaning about me complaining than i have about complaining about this soooooooooo

[vapid river]

okay bitch

[vapid river]

nah you've def been bitching about it longer than i have

[rotund drum]

i think they stopped once they started making money

their anniversary "giveaway" is giving you the opportunity to spend money on old chars lmao

[vapid river]

if it's too difficult for you to navigate through the menus and so overwhelming that you can't read what events you're doing maybe get an account manager or have your mom play your account? someone better equipped to handle the stresses of some extra button presses

[vapid river]

look bitch, i'm not hear to interact with you

shoo

[rotund drum]

shills be malding

[vapid river]

you're just a bitch

ain't got time for that

[rotund drum]

sorry if your game is getting review bombed because they got greedy over one good sales month

[vapid river]

you bitch about everything, your opinion means fuck all to any discussion i've ever seen you be a part of

go pound dirt

[rotund drum]

i literally just got here and you were crying cause some other guy also had legitimate criticisms

but ok

[vapid river]

this is a legitimate criticism. scrolling for an extra 5s is being a bitch imo

wading through hundreds of 1star weapons just to get a level past 40 on a weapon is one of the worst experiences in the game

but i'm not gonna sit here and cry about it. neither did 107. there's an easy fix, they said it'd be nice if they did it, then moved on

i'm only bringing it up again to show an actual criticism with some kind of meaning

[rotund drum]

having to scroll for 5 seconds literally every time you open the base menu is actual cancer but ok

[vapid river]

the events menu has been the same since the game came out and i've never heard ANYONE say shit about it

must be a console diff ig

[rotund drum]

yeah because you put yourself in a bubble and get super butthurt when anyone says anything bad about the game

[vapid river]

oh i'm not butthurt, i'm tired of bitches bitching over stupid shit

i didn't jump 107 for saying a system in the game is dogshit

b/c that system is dogshit

just like the echo system

but here's how i'll bitch about it

echo system bad
make it either level to unlock or make it +25 from the start and have to be tuned

and i'm done

that's it

and i've actually heard people fight that the echo system is good

they're delusional

i have no problem with people having actual complaints about a game, but when it's just b/c it takes a bit of time to navigate a menu like, i just can't care about that

maybe if it was hidden under two or three other menus i'd agree

but you click a button and you're there

[dusty crown]

we know who's never taken UX classes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vapid river]

[dusty crown]

UX design improvement is all about saving seconds on repeated actions while maintaining a "good look"

[neat robin]

I dont want folders

I’ll forget the events exist

Also the 2 events are near the top
They could get rid of hologram tab though it doesnt need to be there the whole patch
tower/whimwa/illusive notifs could be done differently but they’re all the way at the bottom so whatever

[dusty crown]

removing tower, whiwa and illusive from there would help reduce the bloat on that page, same with holograms. Same with events that are gonna start in 21 days (that one is just confusing lol)

[vapid river]

yeah this is strange >.> does this mean NA players are going to get the 10 pull?

will it go down for maint and we'll lose 3 hours of zani banner instead?

this was done poorly

cuz it looks like it unlocks 3 hours before the banner ends

[dusty crown]

won't be any maintenance since it's just a banner switch

but yeah, have to log in in that 3 hours span if you want those 10 pulls for zani

(or the current reruns)

[vapid river]

yeah but if NA gets to why not let EU do it?

idk about sea/asia though

but ik some eu people that can't use them for zani/reruns in first phase

[rotund drum]

what if the maint begins when maint ends

[vapid river]

it feels like it was meant for phase 2

and 2nd reruns

[dusty crown]

that's indeed dumb if true, would at least expect the rewards to unlock earlier for eu too

[vapid river]

maybe they change it, but the screen shots i saw had the rewards unlocking after the banner ends

[blissful tulip]

There is a reason as to why 2.2 was 31 days and not 32

[vapid river]

from eu

honestly they should just remove the page entirely and run it second phase

seems like it belongs there anyway

[neat robin]

Does wuwa swap banner immediately?
Idk why I thought there was a couple hrs without any

[dusty crown]

does that in genshin when there's a version update

[vapid river]

the second it changes

yes

[neat robin]

Hmm
Its 2nd half banner that ends a couple hrs early then

[vapid river]

yup

this last time it ended at noon(cst) and then went into maint like 3 hours later

[dusty crown]

guess they want to avoid people doing a pull right when maintenance starts and potentially leading to some very awkwards stuff

[neat robin]

I need thyia beta 😭

Gotta see if I can use coral on jiyan

I used him on middle 1st floor he was ass in this toa

Tho the buff is exclusively for zani/phoebe
But

I hope they arent bumping up enemy hp there

[dusty crown]

i need to know what she scales off

there were some leakers saying she wouldn't scale with ATK so i have no idea whether it will be HP, DEF or even something weird like ER

[rotund drum]

do they ever explain why shes an elf

suddenly the setting has elves i guess

they're probably out of ideas

[vapid river]

yeah

ran out of ideas

not like we haven't had elves since last year or anything

1.0?

phase 2?

same with bird people(yangyang)

the real thing to complain about is the fact that the ONLY mother fucker they've touched on with their weird ass heritage/background is lingyang

and lumi, is she a robo mouse? full human but her suit is just different?

and with zani like... her horns? her tail?

i haven't played new story but i'd be willing to wager a guess that they don't mention how/what she is

[tired zodiac]

I don't think there's a reason particularly here

The game has had people with different traits

Very commonly

It doesn't matter at all I guess

I'd like to know why zani has horns and tail tho

[lucid pebble]

Only people that focus on those things are racists.

[vapid river]

i just want more fleshed out characters with substance giving a few paragraphs about their origins helps with that imo

[robust axle]

Isnt it their forte causing mutations

[neat robin]

Yall dumb its from their forte awakenings 😭

Same reason hsi mort and jiyan got scales

The only one we dont have info on is why calcharo turns into a TD

[blissful tulip]

Afaik all of those are mentioned in their character profiles

Otherwise yeah, only Ling Yang's was really explained in a story quest

||There was no explanation on Zani's form during her SQ||

[neat robin]

I think cuz ling yang is the only actual nonhuman

The rest just have mutations

[lyric fjord]

Zani just had a mutation when becoming a resonator. Mentioned in the marketing stuff before her release

[vapid river]

wait fr?

[neat robin]

Some are natural
Apparently lumi was born glowing like that or some shit?

[tired zodiac]

idt elves are forte awakenings

are they?

[neat robin]

Some develop it when beomcing resonators later on

[vapid river]

could be

[tired zodiac]

Btw do you build spectro spectro on support pheobe?

with moonlit

[vapid river]

in other news here's a 20s clear of dragon

[vapid river]

@warm vector

what's your fastest?

[tired zodiac]

show fibi build

[vapid river]

i just closed

but not good

scuffed moonlit

[tired zodiac]

crit spectro spectro atk atk?

[vapid river]

I think so?

[tired zodiac]

oke

[edgy cobalt]

jesus dawg why you letting him ragebait you

literally an inferior chakku (those who know) you can either

• agree with him
• hit him with the confuse debuff
• leave him alone

[tired zodiac]

Holy i missed on blade raging

[knotty fiber]

Bro doesn't know

I warned him

[edgy cobalt]

put blade in a room with ten 4channers bro gotta man up

[knotty fiber]

If the rewards are given out in SEA time (looks like it) instead of server time then yeah

[tired zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-wuthering-wuthering-waves-gif-10821590706101562166

[tired zodiac]

Yet one can scroll through shit edits and brainrot on Instagram and tiktok for hours

[tired zodiac]

Atleast remove the resource for showing substats bro...
I leveled it up.. why do i need to spend more to show what I got for leveling it up

[tired zodiac]

Yeah folder based is not gonna be good. I studied UX designing and it'll just be annoying and forgotten unless there's a clear situation for why there needs to be one. Currently they already have two separate frames for permanent ones and current events.
Their best course of action would be to not include the first two event pages(the one which shows first anniversary walkthrough and the one which is locked for 20 more days) , Make the two chibi events one after another and then add the store which requires you to pull ig?

The rest has been the same since forever. It's not particularly bad.

[dusty crown]

Not sure what the names could be but 3 folders is reasonable, not sure what the name would be : permanent events, version events (last for the whole version) and limited events I guess. The shop thing could definitely have been put with the other shops. The memoire stuff is like a permanent gameplay feature iirc ? so could be put elsewhere.

[tired zodiac]

Yeah but version and time limited events are both version events. It would have to be a seperate tab from permanent which wouldn't look good.
It will also be confusing coz then, from mobile perspective atleast, you can miss them

[dusty crown]

Or they indeed could have designed the events a little better

Like hoyo does with their big big events which all end up under one tab

[tired zodiac]

Permanent being less important because it was once a main event is why it is alr.

I mean, if you ignore the first two things and the tactical hologram? Then it aint much different from a lantern rite/anniversary patch

Say 5.0 for example. Had a tab for exploration, for anniversary, for archon quest, for two other events

Idk if they had one for bosses but they do add it when they introduce new ones

[dusty crown]

i remember feeling overwhelmed with 5.0 too

[tired zodiac]

Yeah there's nothing you can do about it. That's how generally most gacha works. Splitting it up would mean a normal patch would look like it has nothing in it

I do agree on the first two ones tho

One should be separated to the user menu and one shouldn't even be there until 20 days later

[dusty crown]

My gacha experience prior to Genshin was inexistant. So I for sure am not used to what's "standard" per se because one of the many things Hoyo masters is overall UX design

[tired zodiac]

Or just include them in the main event with a time restriction ig

[tired zodiac]

You just think that way coz hoyo has almost nothing to provide in terms of rewards

5.0 is an example of what it would look like if they did

Which you clearly said you didn't like

[dusty crown]

It was a one off thing, but even then

they did not have FIFTEEN items

[tired zodiac]

I only see problem with two

[dusty crown]

1st should disappear after claim, 2nd should be emails (or at least wait), the two cubes should be fused, the nightmarket shop should be in the shop as a temporary shop, memory travelogue should be in permanent, invitation thing would be web event with hoyo but kuro doesn't have an equivalent to hoyo so i can understand it, whiwa and tower could be map notis atp

would already reduce the list to under 10

[tired zodiac]

1st is an yearly progress reminder. An online event. Can't remove it. Should probably include it in main menu bar instead of events bar.
The seperate cube events are fine imo but sure.
No the Market cannot be seperate. That will just make things complicated. It's not a normal shop, it's a dedicated event based shop.
Memory travelogue shouldn't be in permanent coz they only included events which are over in the permanent. The web event placement is fine, it aint disturbing you more than once.

The cube event and market are all interlinked. They should be together. Making it into a separate shop is idiotic. I assume they would've put it together but another requirement to get token is to pull in a banner hence why it's seperate

[vapid river]

bro the returner/carnavale event page bricked the game for first like 3 days

fucking dogshit

it works now though

even though i don't need it anymore

[tired zodiac]

Ikr. Imagine being the first page and it doesn't work

[tired zodiac]

I think they should adopt what genshin did. They have a seperate tab for online events. Having it there isn't helpful more than once until it disappears after all

[knotty fiber]

Infinity nikki has folders

And I hate it

A lot of times I forget to check some

And almost miss some events

[dusty crown]

I'd have no issue with the shop being in the main event's UI, the decision to include # of pulls is a whole other story.

[knotty fiber]

It's more convenient for me to have everything layed out

I can agree if you say remove toa/whimwa/gateways once you have max star'd it

But removing it entirely is a bad idea

I know a lot of my friends who actually missed the damn thing

So it's a good reminder

[dusty crown]

i nearly missed a reset once because of the bloat 😭

back when tower had weirdish dates

[neat robin]

I need the illusive tab or I forget its a weekly thing

[dusty crown]

and apparently i just saw there's a cleansing chord event that i missed

cool

[neat robin]

It gives you 2 notif for that one so idk

In events, and on the tacet tab when you open dailies

[dusty crown]

the first in the event disappears when you scroll fast over it trying to find another event

[dusty crown]

yeah i'll need to use 3 refills for today to get the double rewards since opening the dailies is the thing i do last in my session

when i know i've expanded my waveplates

and without opening there's no way of knowing if it's something other than the login daily

[neat robin]

This is eveyrthing on one page
Anything afterwards is generic patch stuff + char trials

[dusty crown]

you're in 4k

[neat robin]

This is mobile

Suggest they need to make the icons smaller so you can see more on one screen

Idk

[dusty crown]

😮

[neat robin]

You scroll past the damn chord event to collect daily gift login
They arent gonna make you read

[dusty crown]

on pc in 1440k i only see up until memory travelogue

[neat robin]

Mm

. You’re playing on controller… on pc?

[dusty crown]

chord cleansing is the one right after which i missed when going for the daily login gift since the noti disappear on selection 😐

[dusty crown]

Yes.

[neat robin]

See now I should play controller on mobile cuz the screen input is slow

Everything takes like 2x as long as keyboard

[dusty crown]

i know k+m is king of gaming but f that i'm gaming while laying down in my chair

[knotty fiber]

Not for certain games

Some games that require a lot of inputs for combo and stuffs want controllers

[dusty crown]

i'm not familiar with these games

i know there's the whol arcade games with their specific controllers

[tired zodiac]

It is for most people. That's generally how gacha games works

[knotty fiber]

I'm playing Judgment series

And kbm is really ass

[neat robin]

Is there any delay in controller to mobile though

[knotty fiber]

Dunno

[dusty crown]

never tried

[knotty fiber]

Never had a controller for myself to try

[neat robin]

I basically have to trust the games auto target if I wanna play quickswap

[dusty crown]

gonna do a random 10 pulls from 25 pity, watch me get s1 zani

rip my streak is gone

[knotty fiber]

Did you do 400m @neat robin

[neat robin]

Yeah I finished it on wed

[tired zodiac]

Depends on the phone ig?

[knotty fiber]

You have 4 comps to do it?

[dusty crown]

wtf they added 5 radiant tides ot the market

[neat robin]

The zani shop?

[dusty crown]

yes

[neat robin]

Yeah after you spend enough coins you can start buying the 5 pulls

[tired zodiac]

You get enough token to get it without pulling

[knotty fiber]

It has always been 10 pulls in nightmarket

[tired zodiac]

I think

[neat robin]

Ye I’m day 1 player I have basically every char

[tired zodiac]

I think they are talking about the event market

The one where you have to pull to get all the rewards

[knotty fiber]

It is the nightmarket

What do you think I'm talking about

[knotty fiber]

It has always been 10 radiant but it's ass because you gotta pull to unlock the other 5

[dusty crown]

didn't see the tides yesterday so bought some tuners

[knotty fiber]

And I don't think I'm pulling more than 80 pulls this patch

[dusty crown]

need 750, 100 now, so 650 to go, and in "activity tasks" i only have 300 tokens i can get

left

i'll attempt the 50:50 on ciaccona which should give another 600 but still scam

[tired zodiac]

Almost everyone will probably pull. It's there for the entire patch after all. So ig everyone would get it

[vapid river]

they're probably under the impression that people saved for this and were planning on pulling. a "well since you're already doing it we might as well give you rewards for it" type of mindset

not saying it's good

[knotty fiber]

I don't pull for that many

[vapid river]

just that that's probably what they were thinking

[knotty fiber]

Yep

And I don't like it

I'm not planning on pulling both

Or any of the rerun

[vapid river]

but it is kinda braindead to lock pulls behind the act of pulling

i got my s6r2 jiyan so

i pulled on rerun

but just for weapon

[tired zodiac]

Wait how many do you need to pull to get all the radiant tide? I assumed it was below 80

[vapid river]

i bought s6

[knotty fiber]

iirc I need over 2k coins for the last 5?

[tired zodiac]

[vapid river]

let me check

how many pulls

i think it kept counting

but probably 250-300?

but i was prepared to pull a lot

[neat robin]

I bought jiyan s3

Hopefully thyia doesnt have a strong s1

[knotty fiber]

drip next Monday plz

[vapid river]

i've made the decision to not get cia

or thyia

i'm holding out hope for uhh 2.5? 2.6?

when the other aero person comes out

[neat robin]

@knotty fiber my 400m teams

[knotty fiber]

How the hell do you solo sustain 400m-1

[neat robin]

Sotheby with euphoria

[knotty fiber]

Those always burst my ass

Not enough

[neat robin]

Mm r15 ly and 37

[knotty fiber]

My Liang hits like a truck

But needs dmg control

I either kill one too early and get fucked because one is still alive

And there will be 2 guardians

Or they will nuke my Liang in 1 turn

[neat robin]

If you have a spare f22 she works too

But f22 better for 400-2 so I redid it with sotheby

[knotty fiber]

Oh well I don't have all chars anyway

Missing like 40% of the cast

I don't even have eternity for semmel

At one point

[neat robin]

I’m still missing eternity

[knotty fiber]

My Liang's FUA would go up to 270k

And killing 1 of them first

While the other still has 30% HP left

[neat robin]

Ye def need to target left wall more

I’m waiting for jius euphoria now
Like ik it doesnt make her stronger than reco
But jiu + pickles is fun

[knotty fiber]

Her FUA is doo doo

[neat robin]

Ly?
Its decent but not being able to target anything sucks

[vapid river]

doing the canta story

whoever makes it so you walk slightly faster than the npc

or slightly slower

needs to be hanged

set the speed to slightly faster so i can catch up but then instantly reduce it to the walking speed of the npc

and that goes for running or sprinting as well

thanks for listening to my tedtalk

[outer jetty]

Cube Castle coop experience : Holy shit VFX galore

[tired zodiac]

i need er...

FUCK

[neat robin]

@knotty fiber do you watch ahead on r99 cn patches??

2.8 livestream is insane

I cant believe 4 euphorias loll

[river pasture]

How much damage do I lose if I don't have phoebe for zani?

Just pulled a 2nd copy of Zani mistakenly instead of Phoebe, now I have a s1 zani and no phoebe

[vapid river]

Bro is cooked

[vapid river]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eoCTrwYIsRpacvL3KrcQpR5rwY3pbJ6gEljZdBj_DHs/edit?gid=1591212959#gid=1591212959

Go to the bottom where it shows the zani/srover/sk damage

Short answer is 43-38% damage loss

Or 1.8-1.7mil damage to 1.2mil

[tired zodiac]

You can clear content for now dw

But still

[rotund drum]

they'll probs creep it with carl anyway

there's now two chars called CLT

[neat robin]

?

[river pasture]

🤧🤧

[tired zodiac]

Carlotta and then who

[edgy cobalt]

czarlottani

https://youtu.be/B5_KzlKvOUU?si=G_RKY3nTJco4Szm6

looks like I’m back to relearning rots

[neat robin]

Kinda fixed moonlit sets

Prob need to make another for cia, if thyia wants atk

[vapid river]

that's not a world record

i've seen a video of a 17s clear

oh

at s0 though

[edgy cobalt]

same team and rot?

lol yea

[vapid river]

nah, sk

zani/phoebe/sk

[neat robin]

Hmm
Anyone do 100% floor 21 in event?

[vapid river]

for that specific team it's probably the fastest

i got a 20s clear

but i have s4

zani

so

[edgy cobalt]

I haven’t played the event after floor 5

[vapid river]

trying for an hour was about all it took

[opaque flume]

Whale blade

[edgy cobalt]

looks easy

[opaque flume]

wtf

[vapid river]

if my phoebe wouldn't get hit so fucking bad

i'd probably get 18s

[neat robin]

Its not easy
They have like 5m health each

[vapid river]

the video i watched the phoebe was able to basically just do w/e she wanted

[edgy cobalt]

oh just
copy the 18s clear I showed you lol

[rotund drum]

its probably whale vid

[edgy cobalt]

also don’t you have like s3 clt

[neat robin]

The event??

It rotates sentry, lampy, the ice 3cost & something else

[vapid river]

i have s6 lotta >.>

[neat robin]

Chars do fuck all

Its the cubes that do dmg

[vapid river]

sooo

yeah

i don't plan on pulling

till like 2.6

i have all of what i want now

[edgy cobalt]

oh if the cubes do dmg then just cubemax

[vapid river]

the next aero unit might pique my interest

[edgy cobalt]

and then do CN clears on top of it

[vapid river]

after cia/thyia

[edgy cobalt]

just run jiyan bro

[vapid river]

s6r2

[neat robin]

Yeah idk which cube combo is best

[vapid river]

i personally enjoy changli cube

but idt it's the best

it's just braindead

or sk

[edgy cobalt]

what a quick search shows me https://youtu.be/IxnsE0DrrXg?si=ABk6weZXhfBpXQkm

1m on warrior lvl I see bro is rerolling for maps too

[neat robin]

Oh theres map changes too

Yeah ofc I brought carlotta and got the one with 3 glacio waves

[opaque flume]

Jinshi

Easy

I use roccia phoebe jinshi rn

Jinshi is just neuvilette in wuwa

You just spin

[neat robin]

Mm

Roccia thyia hsi

[opaque flume]

Cart is cool but I don’t like her ability as much as Phoebe

[neat robin]

Did lv21 in 5 mins

Good enough

Zani cube was fun but bad dmg 😔

[tired zodiac]

question: does pheobe's frazzle damage increase based on any of her stats?

[tired zodiac]

can we max em all?

[neat robin]

Yeah you can just replay floors if you need more items

[tired zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[opaque flume]

I only got 5290 points in infinite tides

Or whatever it’s called

Sad

[rotund drum]

the steam version of stuwa feels a lot smoother for some reason

the kusogames client probably has a bitcoin miner or something

[neat robin]

I cant find cdmg rolls 😭
Need 2 more

[vapid river]

Ayo happy birthday?

[neat robin]

Nah was a couple weeks ago but ty
You get to keep the crown

[vapid river]

Who did you pick to give you your bday wishes?

[neat robin]

Brant

[vapid river]

Based

[knotty fiber]

I haven't picked mine

because obviously

[neat robin]

Every time I see zani i kinda want to pull
Then every time i use zani in trials I’m glad I didnt she just feels slow

[edgy cobalt]

I wasn’t able to use zani’s full kit in the trial everyone just dies

[neat robin]

Her story quest too

Terrible job at showing whats she cabable of

[edgy cobalt]

oh that was just ult spam yeah

[tired zodiac]

@vapid river it doesnt disappear unless you click it

[vapid river]

klee i give 0 fucks

in a not mean way

i couldn't care less

[tired zodiac]

we were talking about it that day

[vapid river]

i'm not the bitch who had an issue with the ui

go ping them or something

[tired zodiac]

and I asked you about it

[vapid river]

yeah but what makes you think i care?

not trying to sound mean

[tired zodiac]

i just wanted to tell you i found out the answer to a question i asked you the other day

[vapid river]

yeah but i didn't need to know

[tired zodiac]

i dont want to spark another debate with the other person

[vapid river]

good job on finding things out?

[tired zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/leave-gif-25489980

[vapid river]

https://tenor.com/bCwKU.gif

[tired zodiac]

istg there was one where it went to boobs

[vapid river]

https://tenor.com/p5y3LUVzWog.gif

there is

there are

there was more than one

[tired zodiac]

yeah this wasnt the one i saw

[neat robin]

Can we skip to 2nd half

[tired zodiac]

no

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-meme-tits-boobs-pepe-boobs-gif-20158598

[neat robin]

I want cia

[tired zodiac]

i want thiya leaks

wuwa leaked before leakers

https://tenor.com/view/fate-gif-15599855813422140753

[neat robin]

I’m betting thyia has some sword rain thing
All the cubes have skills that match the actual char

[tired zodiac]

imagine if its like "for every aerosion stack in field, do x instances of aero damage as swords"

[lyric fjord]

It would bad for bosses

[vapid river]

ac1d

[neat robin]

I’m just looking at speed runs