・wuwa-lounge

[vapid river]

it's a 14s cd

i'm not getting through zz and skeeper in 14s

i just don't have to worry about it

i'm not a qs sweat like some people

[edgy cobalt]

my laptop cannot enable me to shove clt rots inside zz + sk buffs in one swoop

has to be step by step instead of qs

[hollow gorge]

2nd rot both zz and skeeper gain their concerto much faster

[vapid river]

aix only sees 1 rot

mephis hardly sees a second

she does too much dmg

[hollow gorge]

who cares about aix. You get monke, you don't 1 rot him

[vapid river]

it's unfair

is monke on glacio or middle this time around?

idt it is

[hollow gorge]

Well, if it's a 2 wave, you still get a 2nd rot

[vapid river]

i have enough mdps built to where i can avoid that

and use jiyan or xy

and even still, i'm not getting through both zz and skeeper in under 14s even on second rot

if you can then good for you

crownless, mephis, heron, aix

why you even talking about monke

[lyric fjord]

just in case, SK's enhanced intro gives a lot of concerto, fastens the rotation by a lot

[vapid river]

literally bringing up a situation i can't even beat

[hollow gorge]

he is the tankiest obv

[vapid river]

yeah but i can't even fight him

he's not in tower right now

[neat robin]

Theres mephis in tower?

[knotty fiber]

there is

[neat robin]

Which one what

[hollow gorge]

I generally consider the way units will be utilized in future. Since I don't have any issues with any current content, so I don't have to bring up new characters to a battle ready state

[neat robin]

Is that the 3wave floor

[knotty fiber]

? yes?

[neat robin]

The only tower floor I remember is aix

[vapid river]

[neat robin]

Cuz I used camy without sk vs it

[vapid river]

middle tower

last floor

[neat robin]

I should go try again now that she has more than lv6 skills

I also think itd be funny to get a cdmg sentry

[vapid river]

literally dying on this hit

[neat robin]

Go from 63(+25) /307 to . 45(+25) /350 ratio?

[vapid river]

[hollow gorge]

"Participate in Dances For Spring's Return: Companion Invitation Login Event to claim Sanhua's Signature Outfit "Exorcistic Adjuration" for free." Is this happening rn?

[vapid river]

nah

[knotty fiber]

my Klt doesn't even have Zhezhi and still does 35s

[vapid river]

it'll be after lotta

[knotty fiber]

[vapid river]

stfu

your qs

is crazy

[neat robin]

Imagine being able to zoom
Mobile quickswap suckssss

[vapid river]

should be illegal to play like that

i couldn't imagine playing that way on mobile

after watching 107 play it

[knotty fiber]

man I hate to break it to you but Yumi does quickswap on mobile

and they do it better than I do on PC

[vapid river]

let's be real, yumi probably got arcade setup connected to their mobile

sticks and buttons and all

[neat robin]

Most time I try to quickswap I just get ‘cant swap char’ popup

[vapid river]

skill issue

[neat robin]

Also idk if you mean actually mobile or with controller

[knotty fiber]

I see the buttons on screen lighting up

I don't know what using gamepad on mobile looks like

[hollow gorge]

hmm, it might be an emulator

[hollow gorge]

it looks similar to PC with gamepad UI

probably similar to PS5 UI

[neat robin]

ignoring its 3 waves the mephis has less hp than crownless did

I had bigger nuke on crownless and couldnt kill him off the extra outro at the end

[edgy cobalt]

🐳

I skipped and saw 620k

[neat robin]

Rn idk if I need nightmare thundering or crownless first

I hate farming void set and I still need an atk 3cost but

Xy

[lyric fjord]

damn that's s3

having her skill nuke this much must be nice for echo farming

[neat robin]

Well its nowhere near that much unbuffed

I kill more things with her extra outro than ult ngl

[lyric fjord]

anyone with less than 5k tuners is a peasant

[neat robin]

They’re all built

[rotund drum]

that just means you're not using them

[edgy cobalt]

1.5k tuners should last me a while

[neat robin]

I kinda want to go back to void/fusion field

But carlotta’s 3costs are pissing me off

Maybe I just hate encore cuz apparently ive been missing 3 cdmg subs this entire time

[hollow gorge]

Wow, I just noticed. I have lost every single 50/50 so far. So I have lost seven of them.

And here I considered spending on this game, since it kinda became good

[neat robin]

Ive lost basically all too
And have spent

Surely one day it means 5+ wins in a row right

[hollow gorge]

No

[neat robin]

My wep banner average is around 40 though at least

Which is good I like getting them sigs

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, gachas don't ever make me feel like spending on gacha is money well-spent. For example, I can buy a house in TESO for 100 bucks and spend 80 hours furnishing it, and then maybe 80 more on another project in the same house. And during all that time I will have tons of fun. But in gacha having additional copies doesn't change the fun I get from the game or the character. I am either having fun or not. Curious how it works

[wraith steeple]

wait you dont na with lotta?

[lyric fjord]

only in overworld

[wraith steeple]

does that video give more context?

[lyric fjord]

any carlotta toa clear video should show that

unless it's a quickswap video

[lament shuttle]

You only charge attack once when forte is full

[lilac hare]

Damn now what

We should get echo level up materials and tuners instead of exp now

[wraith steeple]

agreed

also

how does chix brant and uhh idk gimme a third

[burnt shoal]

me kind of wish level cap was bigger

or leveling takes longer

in genshin ar60 takes like 20 months

wuwa levels so fast

[lyric fjord]

Sanha

[blissful tulip]

Heron Verina/SKeeper/Baizhi/Youhu

If Brant is on a healer build at least

If Brant is on the new ER% build, build the 4 healers as usual

Turtle/Fallacy

SKeeper>Verina>Youhu>=Baizhi

[edgy cobalt]

crit fish waves https://youtu.be/T-UQW_K3CY8?si=rk__QFKUwU3EIN7t

zero need for NA at all once again

[vapid river]

Is this qs?

I haven't watched

[neon falcon]

lingyang fr fr

[vapid river]

Just as useless

[burnt shoal]

https://vxtwitter.com/Legend0777/status/1878757638378586254

[rotund drum]

"we totally didnt fuck up trust us bros"

[lament shuttle]

Did they say why the bans were

[burnt shoal]

i think not

[vapid river]

praying my whale status exempts me from bans

[lucid pebble]

Banned for lewd skins.

[vapid river]

fr?

[lucid pebble]

It’s joever for you.

[vapid river]

nah idon't use weird overlays for skins

[cobalt apex]

@knotty fiber i love echo farming already 30 4 cost without a single crate

[knotty fiber]

Classic

[cobalt apex]

we should do echo farming together sometimes

if u dont mind my builds being worse than urs

[lilac hare]

They should remove the 1-min respawning time for bosses now

Next survey

[rotund drum]

i like it when the wushills get mad whenever i say that

[spice finch]

Hello. Where do you guys usually do damage test? Domain/enemy without buff at all

Want to check raw damage but looking for tanky enemy

[lament shuttle]

Scar boss maybe

[spice finch]

He has damage resistance?

[lament shuttle]

It’s really hard to find a mob like that since overworld stuff dies so fast. Maybe one of the holograms ?

[spice finch]

Ohhh i'll checknif holograms have buff or dmg res. Thanks

[lyric fjord]

Used to be hazard tower due to the generic buffs and tanky enemies :( probably crownless now, but he'd die long before the end of a rotation

[lament shuttle]

Surely free astrite

[quasi sable]

Did wuwa win an award last year?

[lament shuttle]

Ya iirc we got stuff too

[rotund drum]

was wuwa even out last year

unless by last year you mean 2024

iirc it got nominated for TGA but lost to some poker game lmao

[quasi sable]

Ye I mean that

[lyric fjord]

Came out may 2024

"Some poker game" lmfao

[quasi sable]

Also tbf
That some poker game is really addictive game

[neon falcon]

most successful indie game of the year

by far

[quasi sable]

My friend lost a track of time and he played for 10 hours

[edgy cobalt]

balatro mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-burnt-joker-burning-dog-flaming-dog-gumblemutt-gif-3300515006918001357

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-gros-michel-disapear-guile21-gif-9932111544091829884

[lament shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GwOJ0y6ls8 Changli with any other dps does look fun but you need to drill the rotation in your head xd

[lucid pebble]

Cease.

No rotation gaming brainrot in my wuwa chat.

[lament shuttle]

in your case, just whale harder ok

[lucid pebble]

[shut isle]

🗣️ 🔥

[lament shuttle]

wow the sanhua skin looks really nice wtf

[shut isle]

whens it releasing

[lament shuttle]

Jan 23rd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkGwaThml0

you can already see it ingame

[knotty fiber]

Whale hard just to lose to qs brainrots

[lament shuttle]

im sure even the QS braindead press E off CD rots lose to s6 of any rateup atp

[knotty fiber]

Then you don't know how scary these mfs can get

lol

Like, at all

[vapid river]

idk that 22s clear definitely wasn't done skillfully

100k ult hits on the 4 normal shots

echo diff

sequence diff

[knotty fiber]

I haven't seen Yumi's 22s clear

But it had Zz no?

[vapid river]

zz and skeeper

[knotty fiber]

SK is a given

[vapid river]

but it wasn't a qs

[knotty fiber]

Not optional

I haven't seen that so I won't comment on that

[rotund drum]

they should add a bullet gacha for pistol chars

kinda like the bullet crafting in gbf

[knotty fiber]

I was talking about bloody 34s Crownless

[vapid river]

it was against aix

[knotty fiber]

I saw

[lucid pebble]

They’re bringing in 0-cycle brainrot, too.

[vapid river]

34s on crownless?

[knotty fiber]

Even though I could achieve 24s clear against a certain monkee cycle with S6 Tsubaki but I wouldn't go out of my way to say I got the best clear time

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-no-one-cares-who-asked-who-asked-meme-gif-24508192

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

Certainly not you and certainly not for you to read

[vapid river]

that's not mine

that's yumi's

[knotty fiber]

[vapid river]

s0r1

literally echo diff

[knotty fiber]

It's just the same as the crownless video

[lucid pebble]

Lucc-saccers go to the 6th circle of hell.

[knotty fiber]

Retry until everything crits

[lucid pebble]

No purgatory.

[rotund drum]

i remember when the super morning aix was the hardest boss in that game just because he had spectro res

they'll probably add the afternoon aix and evening aix with havoc res and cryo res respectively next

[lucid pebble]

Wait, does sentry have increases glacio res?

[rotund drum]

yeah like 50% iirc

enjoy being forced to use your old chars instead of the one you just pulled

[lucid pebble]

That explains why he took so much longer than Fallacy.

More fun, though.

Had to dodge and counter and shit.

[edgy cobalt]

aix is funny, long time ago you're kinda forced to run jiyan on it, now you can just demolish it in 20 seconds

[vapid river]

or chixia

if you didn't care about quick times

[lucid pebble]

Aix got some of the jankest autotracking bullets and grab hitboxes.

[vapid river]

maybe if your'e bad

[lucid pebble]

I swear I could not see his invisible bullets in the middle of Jinhsi SFX spam.

[edgy cobalt]

jhsi against aix

🫵

[lucid pebble]

I’m here for a good time, not an easy time.

[vapid river]

you deserve any pain from jinhsi against aix that you got

[edgy cobalt]

I'm sorry that you did not have an easy time

you get 5 booms

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-stream-tiktok-costco-guys-gif-4538176206507523730

[neon falcon]

[lucid pebble]

[hollow gorge]

idk, aix was always easy for me. Maybe because I vibed with his OST, so the fight was pretty enjoyable. Plus I don't target lock camera. So I did him with Encore first

[edgy cobalt]

aix is easy I agree

now he's even easier

[hollow gorge]

well, he was always paper-thin with a huge dps window at the start. It's just that characters lacked dps to take advantage of that

[edgy cobalt]

the only problem back then is that your other options is jiyan and stringcore

assuming you don't wanna invest in chix/danjin

now we have every elemental coverage for limited dps so its just a guessing game from here on out whether who're worth your pulls in the future

[hollow gorge]

Personally, I like Encore because I feel that she encompasses the way the game is supposed to be played (including Danjin) imo: namely, buffing for dps window, dodging and parrying. Her ultimate allows to do all of that without dps loss, even with dps gain if you include counters

[edgy cobalt]

I like her too she's incredible at the time
but that's with stringmaster idk if I can reciprocate the same thoughts w/out that yinlin sig

[hollow gorge]

also swap cancel

[hollow gorge]

I mean... Stringmaster is just a dps stick. Encore doesn't gain any significant changes to her mechanics or kit from it.

So the gameplay loop is already there, the question is if the damage is there too

[edgy cobalt]

the dmg makes a huge difference imo

I save 30 seconds with it compared to jinzhou keeper personally

not a matter of x weapon changing up rotations

[hollow gorge]

it doesn't though. If it did, you wouldn't be able to play Encore without Sanhua, but in reality, I play Encore without Sanhua most of the time, which means I lose dps advantage that Stringmaster gives me

[edgy cobalt]

have you compared two runs between string and other weapons?

[hollow gorge]

Ofc. I mained Encore since 1.0. So I had plenty of time to compare it. Basically Stringmaster gives me an option to play any team I like with encore. Without Stringmaster I need Sanhua

[edgy cobalt]

I personally wouldn't run any other unit than sanhua to pair with her

regardless if she has string or not

I only have msg receipts in my comparison awhile back and sure its subjective but
I do believe 30 seconds is a huge difference

[hollow gorge]

well, I cleared Overdrive tower with Encore+HMC, and play that pairing most of the time, because honestly I got bored of hypercarry style buffing back in genshin. And I don't feel that I am gimped too much.

[edgy cobalt]

that's fine

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, it's a big difference. Not 50% like going from 70seconds to 100, but defintely a 30-35% dps difference. I would say Sanhua provides similar buff, so if I can clear almost everything without Sahnua, it means Encore can clear almost everything without Stringmaster.

And all of that on mobile, which means that on PC Encore is pretty capable due to her inherent swap-oriented style which is basically gimped on mobile

Though, ofc Encore is falling off in current meta. It would be hard for her even with Sanhua and Stringmaster to compete with top DDs. But the plus is, that Encore is sort of "free" unit that many ppl have. And Stringmaster is a valuable weapon to have, so in terms of investment, she doesn't need many pulls to provide a good endgame versatility

[neat robin]

I like the idea behind encores ult state
But I hate actually playing it

[hollow gorge]

The good thing about the ult, is that dodge during it is not a dps loss, since coutner attacks are big for encore. So compared to other units for whom to dodge during ult is to lose DPS, Encore thrives with dodges

[neat robin]

Ive not farmed a proper fusion set

Missing about 40% cdmg on her build

Ive been avoiding using her again since pre-camy in overdrive

[hollow gorge]

well, echoes are big in Wuwa. Like bigger than having sig or dedicated support, so yeah

[neat robin]

For a combat-oriented game I dont have the heart to farm for a char I dont enjoy using

[hollow gorge]

unfortunately for Encore, she does need to have good echoes to feel good. SImilar to either Stringmaster or Sanhua, because as a standard character she has lower dps

[neat robin]

I have string, s2 encore & s6 sanhua

I think it was 3 cdmg subs missing?

[hollow gorge]

well, understandable. Again, picking up Encore at this time is generally not the best option. But it's a good option, because it's available for many ppl

In Wuwa most characters need you to understand how they should be played, otherwise they will feel clunky. Like Jiyan for me at first, and like Carlotta for me now. Wuwa fortunately or unfortunately doesn't require you to learn how to play different characters, only a few suffice

[neat robin]

Yeah the 3 echos without cdmg all have cr atk% basic subs

[neat robin]

Kinda why (depending on canterella leaks cuz only have pulls for 1) I just want to get brant for fun

Even if I dont have a proper fusion char, the other 5 elements are enough to cover tower

[hollow gorge]

tbh, JS Jiyan and Encore was my staple go-to for all ToA iterations. Which is why for me it's unfortunate that I don't need anything beyond that. So any deviation from that is me trying to just do something else to not get bored tbh

[neat robin]

Until they powercreep tower enough to need new dps chars yeah

Brant and zani are a want

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, powercreeping is generally not the answer I look for (I am fine with it, but not looking forward to it). More like new gameplay modes. But that's something I already talked about

[neat robin]

No I hate powercreep too

More modes that let different kit styles shine >>>

But I think its just a thing that happens in every gameb

[hollow gorge]

the best solution is modes that provide you decision making flexibility. Which means game modes with trade-offs. So you can decide which tradeoffs to take.

[neat robin]

Id prefer biweekly tower to keep same levels of hp
Other modes with wave content or more hologram type stuff where its real 1v1 challenges where you want more than 1 team to just do all of it

Oh and ngl I keep forgetting that pincer event? Whatever the hell its called

They shove it in the events tab and I forget to do it when theres decent rewards in there

[hollow gorge]

Ehh, I find pincer event too repeatable to be in any way fun. That's all I have to say about it. It has even less flexibility than ToA

[neat robin]

No I dont really like it

I just remembered it existed and I havent cleared it yet

Idc about full scores but just for the astrites

[hollow gorge]

Honestly, I forget about it so thoroughly I forget even to mention how bad it is in feedback forms

[neat robin]

I dont think I got past wave 3 last patch

[hollow gorge]

it's only 300 astrites in the end

which is why devs made the reward so low. They know the event is rather bad, lmao, so they don't want ppl to whine for missing out on rewards

[rotund drum]

"only"

[hollow gorge]

If you sweat for 300 astrites, it gets rough, if you consider that missing out on 5 days of dailies in a year would be similar to missing a single event. Like I definitely gonna miss 5 days, likely more. So there is no point in worrying about it, you can't 100% gacha (maybe you can, but that's just improbable)

I do sweat about it in early game, because it gets you a better trajectory in the future, not missing out on stuff in early game

But early game is like 1st month, and during that I am pretty engaged anyway, so it's no issue to be sweaty during that time

[rotund drum]

i wouldnt call it sweating

its just tedious

but overall its a lot less work than doing tower for 600 primos

the last stage might be sweaty if you're a nonwhale but thats just 50 iirc

i also mostly skip abyss f12 in genshit now too

just do it once for 6 stars

[hollow gorge]

that depends. With ToA, if you put work into building units, you kinda get similar clear times

[neon falcon]

how long before bed do u guys stop drinking water

[hollow gorge]

for me it was opposite. I counted that I am getting around the same amount of primos for Abyss and dailies per minute (I was clearing Abyss in 10-15 minutes the whole thing) so I stopped doing dailies, because it was a chore to return back to Adventures Guild

[quasi sable]

How to claim Melody eccho in stamp

[neat robin]

If its the one I’m thinking of you have to continue carlottas story quest til the rain stops

I got stuck the aria guy just vanished in the rainstorm

[quasi sable]

It's the music echo dude

[vapid river]

i'll sometimes drink water right before i get into bed

why?

[rotund drum]

carlotta's sq overwrites his zone i think

gotta progress it a bit until he returns

dont have to go that far in iirc

[neon falcon]

I dont remember i forgot i typed this

[quasi sable]

So I have to finish carlo quest first
How long will it take?

[neat robin]

No you dont. Just do the first bit til the rainstorm stops

[shut isle]

@vapid river trying to figure out what to spend waveplates on. talent locked by weeklies so ig its just tacet fields?

idk if i wanna farm moonlit or fire set for chixia. how important is the 4pc for her even

[neat robin]

Chixia is mdps

She’d be fusion set with nightmare rider

[vapid river]

^

chixia wants fusion

with nm rider

tacet fields or money

depending on how broke you are

you can never have enough tuners, tubes, and credits

think i'm sitting on ~7 mil

which will go down to ~3.5 when rococo comes out

i'm afraid she's just too fun to play

[shut isle]

think im okay on money

not a lot of echo exp tho

[shut isle]

non nightmare rider....

SadgeInTheRain

[neat robin]

How many days do I have to kill things to get an atk% void 3cost

Void set is so ass to farm

Maybe I should do that tacet field

Theres a ton of bears for carlotta openworld

[vapid river]

you can always bug me to farm too

if you still need

[vapid river]

that's solid till you get a new one though

[spice comet]

Is there a WFP approved wuwa discord?

[winged belfry]

A what?

[warped willow]

i caved

[dapper oar]

how tf do you do this

i did it, dot is annoying

[cobalt apex]

[neon falcon]

true

[vapid river]

There's a hotter older man >.> simulation training npc in jinzhou

[cobalt apex]

@knotty fiber lets fucking go

the clutch

[vapid river]

yeah whoever thought the last level of this was okay needs to jump into traffic

fr

did i beat it on my first try? yes

did i enjoy it at all? no

absolutely the most unenjoyable thing i've ever experienced in this game

[neat robin]

Is this a must-bring-healer stage?

[vapid river]

the dot damage is a little extra

the chiripuff was helpful

or w/e it's called

[lucid pebble]

The last stage is supposed to be played in co-op.

I haven’t even done the second stage.

[vapid river]

oh was it?

well fuck that

i ain't got time for friends

[lucid pebble]

Joever.

Just matchmake.

3 Carlottas make a shooting gallery.

[vapid river]

i got over the target goal of points on my first try

why would i do it again?

[vapid river]

there are too many cuddly wuddlies

we get like 8 abyssal patricius, 8 abyssal mercators, 10 1uestless knights

then fuckin

a morbillion cuddly wuddlies

cuddle wuddles

w/e

it's bullshit

[rotund drum]

wuddling waves

[dapper oar]

farming for the bears are like farming saurians all over again

i wiped them off the map

[rotund drum]

lol when the game called it a "DOT effect" i assumed it meant like 100 a second

not like 2k

it can kill you too

it doesnt really look like you get anything for this so im just gonna not bother

[edgy cobalt]

took me a second try cuz I didn't know its 2k lol

[rotund drum]

yeah it hits backline too

if the game ever EOS's and they have to reboot it as Wuwa Re:Dive hopefully they cut this event

they should have at least made roccia a trial char in it

[vapid river]

honestly everything in it was fine

except for this last floor

like you need the chirpuff

or some form of healing

also

i got another lotta

[edgy cobalt]

wtf

[neat robin]

I want s6 but she kills things so easy already at s3

I’ll be better off s3’ing another char I like playing

Whenevr I see that emote I know roo is in here

[winged belfry]

After some testing, and getting used to it, I must say, Yuanwu ain't that bad

[rotund drum]

He's fine for the shield and short field time to set up CAs but his damage kinda sucks

Good if you want to give clt zz though

[dusty crown]

this challenge is fucking stupid

hecate just ohko'd every single of my character in 10s without me being able to do anything thanks to the time freeze

and it gives 0 point

and forces you to restart from the start

[neat robin]

The what

Oh this is the last stage of the coop event?

[dusty crown]

yes

[small bronze]

when i have finished sekiro on ng+7 i dont feel as rewarded on wuwa with difficulties like this when the reward is 20 astirites

tbh i dont know what it is but id rather just do it for myself and if i want those 20 it just makes me mad

but if they make the reward higher for top tier difficulty other people will get mad they miss out on it

so its never balanced

its either too good for good players or not worth it for extra 20 astirites

[lucid pebble]

There's not even any primos for the hardest difficulty.

[small bronze]

well that explains it even more

so they can't add higher diffculties cause of cons cause then its pay to win unlike singleplayer games

gacha curse

[lucid pebble]

The higher level echo sims are harder content.

[dusty crown]

the problem with this event is NOT the difficulty

it's the combination of said difficulty on top of not having a progressive score (like all the other stages), little to no reward for it compared (easy to adjust with scores), and a ridiculous amount of time investment

big emphasis on time investment

hard difficulty is fun when you can at least practice, learn patterns, and all that

here you can't reset the last stage, so you have to reset everytime which takes 5-8 minutes

and then you face an enemy that flies everywhere, stops time, ohko's you easily if you don't master everything, even with the revives you rotation often go to shit because you lose forte and lib, and so on

if you've created a difficult challenge so hard and time consuming you fail to entice players to re-try it, you've failed at creating a difficult challenge

[rotund drum]

hopefully roccia trivializes it

[vapid river]

ngl i just abused echoes for that last fight >.>

focused on dodging cuz jiyan ult literally did fuck all

but monke smash

and the other echoes actually did damage

[lucid pebble]

You could always fight the weekly Hecate to practice.

The event hecate doesn't do much different than the weekly.

She just does more damage and has more health.

[wraith steeple]

this is so real right here

[hollow gorge]

The entice is the challenge. I remember spending around 60 hours on a single coop boss in PGR. But all these hours were fun, because boss mechanics were quite unforgiving and interesting. There was no reward beside a badge. Personally, it's all about mechanics, if they are interesting or not. Ngl, bosses in PGR are miles ahead in design department

But I generally don't like gacha balance. Most of the time having s6 or having teammates with s6 trivialized it

The boss design in PGR was so good, there were guilds and discord channels created solely with a purpose of finding a party for the bosses (simply because you really needed 3 very high skilled players to clear it). Don't think there are many games that have that

Tbh, gacha genre basically denies everything that is good in multiplayer games: raid and coop bosses, guilds, pvp, multiplayer battles. You can't have those within a gacha

So personally I hope gacha fad dies down further down the road

Or not gacha, but a multiple copy acquirement system

[dusty crown]

The challenge can be enticing when it's not, as I've said, behind a 5-8 minutes time waste

there's nothing rewarding or enticing about having to repeat the first 7 stages :\

[vapid river]

@lucid pebble can you spend on wuwa rn or no?

paypal and card are both telling me to fuck off

checked bank, everything good over there

checked email and nothing from paypal about freezing my account or putting it on hold

reddit says this is a thing that sometimes happens but it's a first for me

worked just the other day too before this update

[rotund drum]

probs refunded too many times and now you're b&

[vapid river]

you can refund gacha purchases?

sounds like a nightmare

[rotund drum]

people do it all the time in fgo

apparently netease cant track which chargebacks are associated with which account

they can ban your google account but not your FGO one

[vapid river]

i can see that actually

fgo such a dogshit gacha system

[vapid river]

well it's not my account cuz i just bought a skin for azur lane

okay now it works?

[lucid pebble]

[vapid river]

it changed from just paypal

to xsolla-paypal

[lucid pebble]

I’m at work, so no.

[lament shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ogrvtDdh8

I didn’t know lumi was good with her

[vapid river]

38% res skill buff

[lament shuttle]

Also skeeper with sig being 10% team dps increase over verina

Really locks skeeper with her given that they line up with cooldowns so well

[vapid river]

if only verina res skill healed

[lament shuttle]

For reference what I was taking about

[lament shuttle]

I think it’s fine since verina going to Jinhsi/other teams isn’t as impactful

When compared to SK given the cooldown alignment

[neat robin]

Verina feels better in hsi team

[edgy cobalt]

verina gives stacks and is faster, also her s4 boosts spectro dmg

[neat robin]

Imagine s4 verina

[edgy cobalt]

I still have my selector and can go for s3

[neat robin]

Didnt really want a copy of this thing but ok

I literally just need a nm mephis now for xy

I’ll have to deal with 2 electro but at least I get mephis & void set buffs instead of this 2/2 build

[vapid river]

idk those feels

[neat robin]

Ok idk yall this last event day was pretty fun

Coop, someone had skeeper
cleared first run 15k points

[lyric fjord]

i did it solo and it was still fun, i like difficult content like this

tho i still didn't understand how to get rid of the dot during the last fight and had to ram the boss down to not die

[lucid pebble]

Carried by wife.

You could call it... bridal carried.

[rotund drum]

is brant saved

big buff to forte

[lilac hare]

Hakush.in 2.1.3 update for WW
Brant: 2.1.1 / 2.1.2 / 2.1.3 (Current)
Phoebe: 2.1.1 / 2.1.2 / 2.1.3 (Current)

[knotty fiber]

Brant buff

no change for Fibi

[wraith steeple]

so I have a 71/220 ratio for brant should I say fuck the fusion dmg bonus and go for double er 3 costs or try my best to get er substats on my other echoes?

which one nets more dmg over all?

[neat robin]

If its like skeeper and you get sig, you can do double ele if you have er on all subs and still hit 250%

No sig you’ll need at least 1 er main

And 4 er subs

[vapid river]

And this is why I'm glad I'm not pulling for brant

Chasing double crit plus er? Fuck allat

[knotty fiber]

What

Please, normal dps chase for dual crit plus atk

And Brant doesn't need atk% rolls

[vapid river]

Oh he doesn't?

That's not bad then

I figured he would

[wraith steeple]

lmao he's not that aggy to build

like ppl gotta remember im trying to mid max

[knotty fiber]

Atk% is the least of his problem

Low base atk

[wraith steeple]

wuwa doesn't even require you to be sweaty like that lmao

i just want what's best for my bb brant

[wraith steeple]

im getting sig

but I'll only have 235% er

with double er I'll have 260%

but is fusion plus er better then double er

cuz if it is i gotta go get better atk 1 costs and they must get er

but im asking to see if it's worth

[vapid river]

I'm only guessing, but if you can't hit 250 er then you'll want to run double er until you can hit 250 with ele/er

[vapid river]

Listen to ninjy

[wraith steeple]

but you can't hit 250 without at least 1 er main stat this assuming you got 10% er on each one

150+77=227

yeah....

[vapid river]

He probably gets some from talents

If I had to guess

Maybe it shows on hakushin

Damn it's cr and atk

Nvm

[wraith steeple]

Hopefully they change the atk ones to er that would be super fat

they prlly won't tho

[neat robin]

Where is skeeper getting er from

I have 232 without sig and no er mains

Thats 257 er with her sig and double ele
Brant has same sig substat

[wraith steeple]

umm.....

wht set she on?

[neat robin]

Rejuv

[wraith steeple]

????

wtf

[neat robin]

??? Variation and 5 er subs

[vapid river]

Oh true does set bonus give er?

[wraith steeple]

mfffffffffff

[vapid river]

Fit brant

[neat robin]

Tidebreak has 10 on 2pc doesnt it

[wraith steeple]

you have on variation

[vapid river]

For

[wraith steeple]

does that not give er?

or hp?

[neat robin]

Yes variation is 51 er
Sig would be 77

[vapid river]

So does her sig

Yeah

[neat robin]

Brant sig is also 77

[vapid river]

It gives more

[neat robin]

Thats why i said double ele + sig can hit 257

But you do need er subs on all 5

[vapid river]

So 77 +50 is 127+150 is 277

Easily doable

[wraith steeple]

what

[vapid river]

Plus the 10 from set

[neat robin]

Tidebreak is 10 er isnt it?

[wraith steeple]

in fuccs names

Hol up

yes ik that

[neat robin]

So 4 er subs, tidebreak, sig
Double ele 3costs

[wraith steeple]

hol on

[vapid river]

Cook

🔥

[wraith steeple]

and these er subs need to be what range?

[neat robin]

Me, who hasnt kept any fusion tide 3costs:

[vapid river]

Probably like 8 at least

I'd guess

[neat robin]

Midrange yeah

[vapid river]

32+10(from set)

[neat robin]

Id never assume any sub at max roll ngl

[vapid river]

42+77=119

[wraith steeple]

i was finna say

[vapid river]

That gives you over 260

[wraith steeple]

i-

[vapid river]

Hell if you high roll 3 you might get away with that

[wraith steeple]

bro i gotta go back to school

wtf

you start 100% yes?

hol tf up

100+77 is 177

[vapid river]

150 no?

[wraith steeple]

NO?

[vapid river]

I thought it was same as cdmg

[neat robin]

Unless skeeper starts with more er

[wraith steeple]

hello!?!?!

[neat robin]

Brant will be the same as her

[wraith steeple]

bro

[neat robin]

does skeeper start with more

[wraith steeple]

he starts with 100 er does he not?

am I going fucking crazy

[vapid river]

Er starts at 100

[neat robin]

Idfk all I know is double ele + sig on skeeper is 250+

I feel crazy too

[vapid river]

Skeeper gains 10% from inherent skill

Idk if brant does?

[neat robin]

Yeah I’m not including her ult or fallacy buff

I hit 250 with those and no sig

[vapid river]

She only needs 140% at most though

[wraith steeple]

brant does not

[neat robin]

Thats just one roll

So you’re back to sig + 5 er subs

Instead of only needing 4

[wraith steeple]

he starts at 100% you're gonna need a er 3 cost idk what tf is going on

there's not way you're reaching 250 without and er main stat

no*

[vapid river]

Max roll would be 62 er from echoes

[neat robin]

Where is skeeper getting 30 er from
That I dont have er mains

[vapid river]

Plus 77 would be 139

[wraith steeple]

plz enlighten me

[neat robin]

I must have good er subs

[vapid river]

Plus the 10 from set is only 249 total

Even at max roll he's 1er short

[neat robin]

Lemm check skeepers passives

[vapid river]

Skeeper gets 10%

From passive

[neat robin]

Ive been using her to check brant build

[vapid river]

I said that

[neat robin]

Mm

But brant has tide 2pc

So they’re equal

[wraith steeple]

bro...ninjy im having an aneurism...bb plz tell me wtf is going on what am I missing bro

[neat robin]

Idk

[wraith steeple]

I don't understand

[neat robin]

Go 1 fusion 1 er
Whats the cap on his passive er=atk anyways

Also 250 er?

[wraith steeple]

280%

[neat robin]

Oh so it’ll be fine you get atk out of using a er main

[wraith steeple]

so fuck the fusion main stat then?

[neat robin]

And a little freedom on subs

1 fusion 1 er
Cr cdmg subs on everything

[vapid river]

Ninjy are you sure you're not including the 10% from echo?

[neat robin]

Need a couple er subs, prob can hunt for a couple basic% subs that way too

[vapid river]

[wraith steeple]

yo check my math rq

cuz im smoking the craziest shrooms rn

[neat robin]

I must be I feel like I’m tripping
I shouldnt be using skeeper as baseline when she has like 5 outside sources of er

[wraith steeple]

100+77 is 177 yes?

[neat robin]

I’m not home I cant actually look at ingame builds

[vapid river]

Yes and max you can get from echoes is 62

[neat robin]

I just know id be at 250 if I had her sig without needing ult

[vapid river]

12.4×5

[wraith steeple]

177+32 is 209 yes?

[vapid river]

Yes

[wraith steeple]

209+ 10 is 219 yes?

[vapid river]

Correct

[wraith steeple]

219+9.2 is 228.2 yes?

[neat robin]

9.2?

[vapid river]

Where tf 9.2 coming from?

[wraith steeple]

an er substat i have

walk with me

[vapid river]

Oh

[wraith steeple]

im adding them all up

[vapid river]

Okay

[wraith steeple]

228.2 yes?

[vapid river]

Your just assuming lowest roll for the others

You're*

Fucking phone

[wraith steeple]

no im adding what I have on a set rn

so see how much I have

To*

228.2 correct?

[vapid river]

Oh is the 32 from a main stat?

[wraith steeple]

yes

[vapid river]

Bet

And yeah correct so far

[wraith steeple]

ok

[neat robin]

I think I’m just tripping
I woke up at 4 am today

[vapid river]

Ayo same

[neat robin]

I’m gonna build brant on not-skeeper so I can see proper er stats

[wraith steeple]

228.2 plus 6.8 is 235.0?

yes?

[vapid river]

Yar

6.8 tho?

[wraith steeple]

and 235.0+8.4 is?

243.4?

[vapid river]

I think we try for things that aren't min roll yeah?

Yes

[neat robin]

I think 1 fusion 1 er will be best

Wiggle room to have low roll or only 3-4 er subs

[wraith steeple]

well yes obviously I'm just seeing how much I have atm

lol

[vapid river]

Unless the other stats are super high roll

[neat robin]

The er main just gives him more atk so not useless at all either way

[vapid river]

Ig I'd key 21cdmg and 9.9 cr

Keep

[vapid river]

But yeah even at lowest roll of you get another you'll be good

If

[neat robin]

Idk if you were in here yesterday I got xy another electro piece

I still want to replace one of them with an atk% but as soon as I get a nm mephis I can put 5pc on him

[vapid river]

I didn't see it

Hell yeah

I still need a nm mephis for him too

[neat robin]

It copied his tunes piece directly

[wraith steeple]

same here

[neat robin]

I got 2 mephis yestersay cdmg er lib… no cr

[vapid river]

Small cr loss but no big deal

[wraith steeple]

so now I farm overworld for just one substat for er and get cr crit cdmg

and brant will unironically be done

[neat robin]

The void piece has more cr

[vapid river]

I'm using one for lotta that doesn't have cr but it has high roll atk% res skill and max cdmg

[vapid river]

Oh I read them backwards

Rip

Cdmg loss

And er loss

[neat robin]

Cdmg gain *
Hes currently on a cr mech lol

[vapid river]

Oh

[neat robin]

I never farmed a cdmg 4cost

[vapid river]

Weirdo

[neat robin]

85/250 its fine

I was using him without sk for a while

[vapid river]

That could be 70/270

Easily

Either way, mephis farming

[neat robin]

Yeah

Then crownless farming…

[vapid river]

Low-key wish I could buy tuners

I'd throw money at that shit so quick

[neat robin]

I’m using this double drop on void/fusion field

[vapid river]

I have 0 patience for that

[neat robin]

May as well try to get some better encore pieces

[vapid river]

Fuck encore

[neat robin]

And that atk% 3 cost

[vapid river]

I went for another lotta copy

[tawdry sapphire]

How impactful was Brant's buff ?

[neat robin]

Theres like 5000 bears
Xy only has 20 void guys

[vapid river]

Got my 6 calcharo

[neat robin]

Ouch

[vapid river]

His forte got buffed big time

By like 300%? Iirc

[vapid river]

Here

[tawdry sapphire]

So is his DMG like really good now or at least around Changli's

[neat robin]

Unless cantarella is like, insanely good

I’m getting brant

At the point I have enough teams I can get him for fun

And hope theres no powercreep in tower for a while longer

[vapid river]

Hmm idk what her multipliers look like tbh. I don't have her so I've never cared about her damage, sorry fox

[tawdry sapphire]

[tawdry sapphire]

But how's his DMG tho

[neat robin]

I’m at 50 pulls again and on guaranteed
Should be able to get him + sig no issues

[vapid river]

Oh and 88%×2 increased to 124×2

Everything in his forte got increased

[tawdry sapphire]

Still not answering my question

[neat robin]

I havent seen any actual numbers

[vapid river]

^

[neat robin]

Nobody has proper dmg in videos yet

[vapid river]

Neither have i

[tawdry sapphire]

[vapid river]

But his mvs all jumped by at least double

Well around double

[tawdry sapphire]

Will wait for the TC nerds then

[neat robin]

I dont think he’ll be quite changli-dps

Since he is still hybrid support

[wraith steeple]

yeah his forte got a 35-40 dmg buff

lol

[knotty fiber]

Changli is not even a proper dps

You can't really compare

[vapid river]

I didn't want to say it

[knotty fiber]

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

Her gameplay is just not comparable

[vapid river]

But she can definitely fuck shit up

[neat robin]

I’m doubting the people who want to do changli brant team

[knotty fiber]

Are you talking about her team in the hands of a noob or the hands of a quickswapper

[neat robin]

Changli is paired with big hitters rn, not a hybrid

[vapid river]

I hope the only viable way to play is qs

[neat robin]

No even the qs team
Like no way brant is filling in hsi/xy etc slot

[vapid river]

Like brangli being anything but qs would sadden me

Yes I'm calling it brangli

And I hope everyone else does too

[cobalt apex]

can i borrow ur world for echoes farming

[knotty fiber]

Brantli

[vapid river]

Sounds too close to a real name

[knotty fiber]

why are you asking at this time

4:39 AM

[cobalt apex]

[knotty fiber]

But okay I can just afk

[cobalt apex]

also i just got 2 more pieces

[vapid river]

Wait are you American?

[cobalt apex]

only missing 1 piece now

[vapid river]

I thought you played sea servers?

[knotty fiber]

This dirty lucksacker

Also, I'm not

I'm just living here

[wraith steeple]

where are your er sub stats bae

[vapid river]

Scam

[knotty fiber]

Did you not notice my ping during the stream?

[wraith steeple]

unless you're doing double er

[knotty fiber]

Bloody red 220+ms

[cobalt apex]

game blessed me to get 4 double crits on first day what can i say

[vapid river]

I was too focused on your gameplay

[knotty fiber]

You need 0% for her to work

[vapid river]

Ngl

[neat robin]

I think the lotta piece I’m trying to replace has 21 cdmg and also skill% and er subs I need

[knotty fiber]

[knotty fiber]

Anything above that is just QoL

[cobalt apex]

the piece i want to replace

[neat robin]

S1+ carlotta needs er

Rot is too short to have no subs

[knotty fiber]

Sweat gameplay can easily solve ER issue

[vapid river]

Ngl both aix and crown crownless die in one of her rots

[neat robin]

She has no basics

[cobalt apex]

1 more cd roll and im good

[vapid river]

She comes back to res skill and crownless is dead

[knotty fiber]

This dirty lucksack

[vapid river]

Can you ban this person one oh seven?

[neat robin]

You have 1 skill heavy intro forte and then ult

[lament shuttle]

50% dmg buff to Brants forte and slight nerfs to other skills hmm

[knotty fiber]

All the high rolls

[neat robin]

I have 63/307 carlotta rn
55 skill%

But fucking 1.9k atk. Nonexistant

[vapid river]

Atk?

Ooooooffff

[cobalt apex]

whats ur uid again let me get my last echo from ur world

[vapid river]

That's horrid

[knotty fiber]

Turning on my pc

[neat robin]

I only get glacio mains

[vapid river]

Same

[neat robin]

Have 2 with double crit and er/skill

[vapid river]

But I'm at 2.3k

[neat robin]

And this 21 cdmg piece

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

900505026

[cobalt apex]

im at 2.65k with 2 dmg%

[knotty fiber]

Is it 9 digits

[neat robin]

I just want an atk mainnnn

[cobalt apex]

yea

[knotty fiber]

I only remember 505026 part lol

[neat robin]

No way thats her base atk

Talking unbuffed

[vapid river]

You're at 2.3k

Tf you mean

[lament shuttle]

You’re looking at it with buffs

[vapid river]

You just shared

[cobalt apex]

yea

[vapid river]

The ss

[cobalt apex]

i forgot

[vapid river]

[cobalt apex]

[vapid river]

Ninjy about to go insane

[neat robin]

I’ll just farm enough that my carla looks like my jiyan

[knotty fiber]

mine is still crap but I gave up

need to save tuners

[wraith steeple]

hmmm do i need basic atk dmg buffs that bad for brant if im getting sig plus s1?

[vapid river]

Stfu

[knotty fiber]

no you

[vapid river]

That's an excellent lotta

Smh my head

[neat robin]

Prob better than atk subs?
His ult brings him up to like. 2.5k free atk?

[cobalt apex]

u can have some of mine

[lament shuttle]

The changes today don’t even impact his roles

[cobalt apex]

well shit i forgot this

[vapid river]

We need to rally together to ban casual

[lament shuttle]

Unless it takes a long time to get his forte

[knotty fiber]

are you at phase 7

[neat robin]

Didnt casual just restart

[vapid river]

He just does fuck ton more damage

[cobalt apex]

yea

[knotty fiber]

my echo luck has been crap since 1.0 and that hasn't changed in 2.0

[neat robin]

Give like. 2 weeks those tuners will be gone

[wraith steeple]

I need those

[knotty fiber]

I spent 4k tuners for my current Klt

[cobalt apex]

i leveled up like 50 echoes this week

[knotty fiber]

spent 800 and got 0 piece for Fibi

lmfao

[wraith steeple]

my fibi is 87/270

[vapid river]

Pheebs in shambles

[wraith steeple]

happy about that

[knotty fiber]

come @cobalt apex

[neat robin]

Mine nonexistent

[cobalt apex]

that does sound like u

[neat robin]

Phoebe wont be touching my account unless zani requires her to function

[cobalt apex]

wha

[wraith steeple]

how much basic attack dmg bonus is too much?

I have 70 already

[knotty fiber]

I lowered my phase

[cobalt apex]

hasnt updated

[vapid river]

No such thing unless you're sacrificing cr/cdmg

[cobalt apex]

let me relogin

[wraith steeple]

ah

[neat robin]

Brants conversion

2.5k atk is like
100% extra atk

[lament shuttle]

Each crit sub is 2-3x the dps increase of any other sub

[neat robin]

Right

[knotty fiber]

ehh

I guess I can cope

lol

[lament shuttle]

And they’re generally worth 6% each sub

[neat robin]

‘Cope’ 4/5 subs

[knotty fiber]

that's not 4

that's 3

she uses heavy

lol

[vapid river]

Oh wait, idk about brant. He might be different. But for most dps cr/cdmg has the most impact

[neat robin]

Oh thats phoebes

[knotty fiber]

and I want atk heavy

not ER

[neat robin]

I thought you were still levelling brants

[knotty fiber]

wtf

I don't build him

[neat robin]

No I’m just tired

[lament shuttle]

He meant Carlotta

[knotty fiber]

I don't pull him

[lament shuttle]

🤨

[neat robin]

I saw the brant question then you posted that pic

Different people

I still need to know

Rejuv brant

But who tf know his own dmg yet

[cobalt apex]

@knotty fiber

[knotty fiber]

wtf

[lament shuttle]

The changes don’t say much for either build

[knotty fiber]

[neat robin]

Buff team or buff personal dmg

[knotty fiber]

how

I'm phase 7 now

[lament shuttle]

It only means you’ll have to spend more time on him to benefit from them

[knotty fiber]

are you sure you're phase 7

[cobalt apex]

it still counts u at phase 8

in game

[knotty fiber]

lemme relog

[cobalt apex]

i need that phase 8 😔

[neat robin]

Kinda coping rejuv brant with hsi
Its my debate if buffing hsi more or having brants own dmg ends up higher dpr

[knotty fiber]

quite far away

okay there's this weird thing

the game keeps spamming me your friend rq

what

[cobalt apex]

[lament shuttle]

Just give verina to her and Brant to ur 3rd team

[vapid river]

Did you just hit p7?

Or are my eyes bugging

[cobalt apex]

like 5 days ago?

[vapid river]

Ah my eyes bugging

[neat robin]

Need coord was gonna do brant yuanwu
Instead of taoqi yuanwu

[knotty fiber]

can you get in now

or still same shet

[cobalt apex]

same shet unfortunately

game doesnt like lowering phase ig

[neat robin]

I lost zz so hsi needs a new team

[knotty fiber]

scam feature

lmao

taking bets now

[cobalt apex]

[knotty fiber]

I'm betting there's no cdmg