・wuwa-lounge

[vapid river]

.>

[rotund drum]

although with SK/VRN being standard in healer slot and their amps being universal its mostly an MoC split thing

[vapid river]

idt the "general" usage is in qs teams

[rotund drum]

that sick 600% skill damage nuke yeah

[vapid river]

though yes that's where she shines the most

[rotund drum]

her supernuke does less than CLT's skill iirc and CLT's skill isnt even her main damage source

[winged belfry]

@quasi sable please don't listen to EVLSIMP. I think they he doesn't even play the game

[rotund drum]

CLSIMPs coping

[vapid river]

evlsimp is an ai made with hate in their programming is all

[rotund drum]

her forte nuke has an MV of 600% while her ult has 1200%

doesnt require super complicated math

[winged belfry]

Nah, I have already benched Changli. She's delegated to F1-3

[vapid river]

carrot levels of disrespect

[quasi sable]

No that's his just normal behaviour

[winged belfry]

I mean, she does them solo

[quasi sable]

So yeah is Changli still good unit?

[vapid river]

no

[quasi sable]

Or should I just give up and pull Phoebe instead

[rotund drum]

imo if you actually wanna use brant you can just put him with JH so CLT can have ZZ

since CLT benefits more from ZZ than JH does but they cant both have her

[quasi sable]

Like big is Phoebe dmg

[winged belfry]

I know it's his normal behavior, I just don't want people to get incorrect takes

[vapid river]

i'm a changli hater, don't take what i say seriously about her

she is objectively a good resonator in qs teams

[winged belfry]

Who do your have?

[rotund drum]

she's about as good as calcharo is

"good" in theory but bad in practice

with good also being qualitative

[winged belfry]

Show us your characters, and then we can work from that

[vapid river]

and calcharo is also objectively one of the best qs resonators

just cuz you can't qs doesn't mean it's bad in practice

[quasi sable]

I only have camy, xy, yinlin and carlo rn

[vapid river]

it means you're skill issued

[rotund drum]

phoebe is hard to say because no one has bothered to figure out how spectro frazzle actually works

[vapid river]

[quasi sable]

I have plan to pull

Zhezhi and Sk

Don't wanna pull Hsi atm

[rotund drum]

her kit is basically just ??? at this point

boosts damage of ??? by ???

good or not, no idea

[winged belfry]

Any sigs?

[quasi sable]

Only carlo gun

[winged belfry]

Then I'd suggest Zhezhi as first priority

[vapid river]

ye you've got 3 solid mdps

[tawny junco]

After farming this boss echo for Carlotta for like 3hours today I really feel like it's fucking atrocious to farm double crit subs

[winged belfry]

That being said, I wouldn't pull now

Wait for last day of the banner

Maybe we'll see some Phoebe changes

[quasi sable]

Yeah that's what I'm doing rn

I'm exploring

For zhezhi

[rotund drum]

that's where everyone was at last week lol

boss respawn timer is actual cancer

[quasi sable]

How big is her dmg?

[rotund drum]

it doesnt help that the nightmare bosses seem to have a hidden timer before the respawn timer actually starts too

if you pause too early it just doesnt start

[tawny junco]

I just started last week and finally got to guaranteed 5* drops this morning and been farming for a while

[vapid river]

evlsimp are you always like this or are there things you find joy in in life? just curious

[tawny junco]

I think I'm like... 0/25 for CR main stat double crit subs

[rotund drum]

when someone defends the boss respawn timer you know they're just a shill

[vapid river]

cuz it has to be tiring to always have criticisms about the smallest of things

i don't mean about that in specific

[rotund drum]

"afking for 5 minutes between 10-seconds fights is what makes the game unique bro"

[tawny junco]

Nah boss spawn timer is legit, even Genshin fixed it

[vapid river]

i'm talking about how you are in general

on a day to day basis

[lucid pebble]

At least 4-cost farming is simple.

[vapid river]

roo shut up

[lucid pebble]

And can be done infinitely.

Make me.

[cobalt apex]

[lucid pebble]

[vapid river]

i wasn't talking specifically about the timers, just evlsimp's general day to day behavior and constant hate for things

[rotund drum]

this is like the people who defend the lack of a pause button in elden ring

[vapid river]

there is a pause button in elden ring though, just close the game

go to main menu

ez

[tawny junco]

Infinite pain until I'm out of tuners

[rotund drum]

"pausing in elden ring would ruin the game it's meant to be played in real time (unless you pause it anyway by opening a tooltip menu)"

[lucid pebble]

Y’all running out of tuners?

[vapid river]

yes

sadly

[rotund drum]

i had like 3k stocked but yeah

refarming sets ate a lot

[vapid river]

just keep getting dogshit hp/def rolls

still no atk% 3 cost for lotta

[tawny junco]

I started a week ago

[lament shuttle]

He’s always like this

He’s like the combined edginess of all 15 year old males who just want to be Sasuke but happen to also play gacha games

[cobalt apex]

[rotund drum]

i think wuwa shills just feel obligated to defend their game constantly because of how much shit it took during the botched launch

[lament shuttle]

You spend your time shitting on every game tho lol not just this one

[vapid river]

the funny thing is i wasn't even defending the thing you started attacking

[rotund drum]

its just the wushills who get mad about it so its more noticeable in this channel

[vapid river]

but roo is a bit of a shill

[lament shuttle]

You sound like someone who could win the lottery and still be mad about it somehow lmao

[rotund drum]

no one cares when i complain about genshit or star fail for example

[winged belfry]

Because you spend 90% of time in this channel

[rotund drum]

i do it all the time though

[neon falcon]

r the voices getting louder

[vapid river]

well hsr is dogshit

[winged belfry]

like man, I though I was grumpy

[rotund drum]

they picked up back up when the dlc came out

[vapid river]

genshin has, historically, been better than average

[winged belfry]

then I met EVLSIMP

[cobalt apex]

we dont care enough about u to do that

and it has always been in zzz chat

[lament shuttle]

If you did that in #・tc-lounge you’d get a lot of ppl arguing over those two games

[vapid river]

there's enough hate for both games in tcl

for evlsimp to join right in though

it wouldn't look weird

[lament shuttle]

Nah he would get pvped

[neon falcon]

he's too much even for us

[cobalt apex]

lmao

[lament shuttle]

Cuz he’s not a “reg”

For them

[neon falcon]

the negativity is contagious

[vapid river]

corin isn't here so i'll say it

you're contagious

😷

[neon falcon]

I aim to be

[vapid river]

bacteria

[neon falcon]

biacteria

[rotund drum]

anyway the fact that im here now means im actually playing the game which is a plus

i dont complain that much about genshit since i barely even play it anymore

[vapid river]

though you do seem to complain at every turn

[rotund drum]

either way im still gonna complain about the parts of the game that are shit though

[lament shuttle]

Maybe he’s British

[rotund drum]

and there's a lot in wuwa

[lament shuttle]

It’s their national sport

[neon falcon]

is it

I feel like that's the bare minimum

[winged belfry]

I though it was Polish National Sport

[rotund drum]

you can look at my chat history and see that i didnt post in wuwa channel for a few months

because i wasnt playing it

[neon falcon]

you can complain about the bad stuff but it's all you do

[vapid river]

yeah at least toshi plaps about grannies

and likes firefly

which makes no sense

but ig someone has to

[lament shuttle]

I’ll take evil simp over

What’s his face the Raiden guy

[winged belfry]

to be fair, Firefly is probably thousands of years old

[neon falcon]

and even then he still gets annoying from time to time

[vapid river]

her age has nothing to do with

she's a wet rag of a character

personality doko?

[rotund drum]

i think they nerfed EVL anyway so i should change the username

although none of the other upcoming chars in any gacha look that interesting atm

[winged belfry]

Are you not excited for new characters in Honkai Powercreep Rail?

[rotund drum]

there's THT i guess but she's literally in like a day and i dont use old chars

so i would have to change it right away

[winged belfry]

The Herta?

[rotund drum]

yes

is she second banner actually

i have to check

[vapid river]

genuinely cannot believe hsr is still alive

[winged belfry]

first

[rotund drum]

thats fine then

[quasi sable]

First

[lament shuttle]

Wdym it’s all tcl does along with zzz lmao

[rotund drum]

i literally pulled sunday by accident because i thought FGE was first banner and i didnt actually look at it before pressing the button

and got spooked first pull

[vapid river]

i mean as a game in general

[winged belfry]

lmao

[rotund drum]

so i have lv1 sunday now

male 5* lmao

[vapid river]

sounds awful to play

teams you were playing a year ago can't compete

[rotund drum]

thats like every gacha game

teams you were playing a week ago cant complete in zzz

anomalycreep lmao

[cobalt apex]

??

[neon falcon]

dogshit game

[vapid river]

^

[lament shuttle]

Sounds like fire emblem gacha

Where they only added catch up mechanic 2+ years in for older units

[vapid river]

idk, maybe it's cuz they're pve games

[rotund drum]

im just waiting for the persona gacha now

[lament shuttle]

FE has leaderboards and a cut off based on simulated PvP

Idk anything about hsr

[vapid river]

sim pvp doesn't count

that's like saying BA pvp counts

or AL

[rotund drum]

there's gbf pvp

[lament shuttle]

It does when how much you can score depends on much you whale

[vapid river]

the pvp in BA is why i quit

[winged belfry]

yeah, nobody cares about pvp in AL

[rotund drum]

whoever grinds the solo boss the most times wins

at least you can autocalc the pvp in BA

just click it 5x a day and spend your stamina and pull for your waifus

chill game

[lament shuttle]

What’s BA and AL

[rotund drum]

having to sit through the pvp in AL sucked

blue archive/azur lane

[vapid river]

"BA" and "waifus"??? aren't they all children in BA

😭

[lament shuttle]

Oh

[neon falcon]

blue archive and azur lane

[rotund drum]

they're high school studens

[lament shuttle]

Tbh PvP in any p2w games is dumb

[vapid river]

sorry i'm 35

[winged belfry]

Yeah

[vapid river]

high school students are children

[lament shuttle]

It’s why no one cares about it

[rotund drum]

you're gonna have a hard time finding an anime waifu then

since like 99% of anime is high schoolers

[winged belfry]

I don't have anything nice to say about BA players

[vapid river]

oh

fair

[winged belfry]

BA not AL

[neon falcon]

I do, we're the leading skin tech innovators

[winged belfry]

AL is a g word game

[vapid river]

it definitely is

[winged belfry]

but they don't focus on minors

[vapid river]

but i'm okay with that

[neon falcon]

blade the skin i sent u is two skins in one btw

[vapid river]

wait what?

[neon falcon]

it's 1680 gems and u can switch between both forms

yeah

[vapid river]

there's a dynamic part

then the l2d?

[neon falcon]

it's the first of it's kind in the gacha market

yes

[vapid river]

damn

[neon falcon]

[vapid river]

guess i'll have to get it

[lament shuttle]

Pay 20$ and get the equivalent of a smash character

[neon falcon]

yeah smash is a good way to describe it

[vapid river]

hell yeah

[lucid pebble]

[vapid river]

[neon falcon]

[neat robin]

Okay realistically
I have every element mdps except fusion
Unless they start powercreeping and I actually need new chars to clear tower, I should be fine to just pull who I want for a bit ?

[blissful tulip]

Alright, think she's ready

I believe in her

[limber imp]

How good is Brant Changli quick swap

[thorn onyx]

If I don’t have a good weapon for zhezhi, should I just put her on moon set for Carlotta team

[rotund drum]

i would put her on the coord set just so you dont have to swap it constantly

there's only like 3 chars who would use that set to begin with

so vrn/sk can cover rejuv and everyone else can be moonlit as needed

[thorn onyx]

Yeah swapping is tedious lol

[rotund drum]

it also makes her ult pretty decent damage

+120% CA damage lmao

[thorn onyx]

I used to run 3 teams , jiyan , jinshi and calcharo all sharing jiyans signature 😭

[rotund drum]

iirc the chest you get for weekly hecate doesnt include moonlit

probably mega cancer to try to get good subs on those anyway

[thorn onyx]

I have a significant amount of cord set pieces so hopefully they level out to be something good

[hollow gorge]

depending where you live and what high school. 17-18 yo are not children a lot of ppl are contributing to society at that age, so that's pretty much close to being an adult

[vapid river]

i'm well aware other cultures exist

but i'm a 35 year old white man from america

anyone in high school is a child to me

even the 18 year old with a full time job

that was me

i was still a child then

[rotund drum]

you're in the wrong place if you cant deal with anime girls then

even the ara ara onee-san type characters are usually only like 20

and if there's a grizzly old man with lots of scars who fought in the last war type character he'll be maybe like 25

[vapid river]

brother i'm not trying to sexualize every character from anime ever 💀

[hollow gorge]

either you were, or you have pretty low self-esteem

[vapid river]

i don't "have a problem" with anime characters

[vapid river]

you might also just be brain dead

or that's some crazy projection

[neon falcon]

did he says he cant deal with it

he just doesn't jibe with it

😭

[vapid river]

the maturity of an 18 year old, ON AVERAGE, isn't anywhere near that of an adult

idk what fantastical country you live in

[hollow gorge]

no, I don't think calling yourself a child at 18 is what ppl do

[vapid river]

differences in perspective then

[hollow gorge]

I would be pretty sad for my 18yo self

[thorn onyx]

Under 25s rational brains aren’t fully developed

[vapid river]

^

[rotund drum]

it does kinda seem like he cant deal with it

[vapid river]

i'm not gonna get into the science of it

i still know "full fledged adult men" who do stupid shit all the time

[neon falcon]

I don't really care for this discourse either way cuz these characters aren't even real but it's just an opinion

[vapid river]

oh for sure

they're just pixels

it's really not that deep

[neon falcon]

he even wrote it "anyone in high school is a child TO ME"

[thorn onyx]

Delays from child hood trauma can take 3x the age of the trauma to heal fully 😬

[vapid river]

it do be that way

and men are bad when it comes to emotional maturity

which in turn makes them seem very childish

[lament shuttle]

Hey buddies

[vapid river]

not being able to handle simple emotions

[lament shuttle]

Don’t let this go off the rails

[neon falcon]

true

lets talk abt changli hot

[vapid river]

you just keep passively modding there tk

[neon falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/changli-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gif-17362001525029263489

[vapid river]

dw about us

[neon falcon]

btw when is anniversary

[rotund drum]

this is in the context of calling blue archive a waifu game

[vapid river]

may... 22nd?

[rotund drum]

which it definitely is

[neon falcon]

sure

it's just an opinion abt the characters

idt he's intending to make anyone feel weird about it

[neon falcon]

I pray for selector

[vapid river]

yeah, my personal preference for 2d characters doesn't include well over half the ba cast i don't gaf if that bothers you

but at the end of the day they're just pixels

like what you like

i'm just telling you what i think. you definitely don't have to listen to it

[rotund drum]

i mean if you were like "i pulled carlotta because she's waifu" and i was like EXCUSE ME SHE LOOKS REALLY YOUNG that seems to imply i have an issue with it

[thorn onyx]

Some adults also look really young

Should they not date till they look old 🤔

[lament shuttle]

I think you’re missing his point

My mom in her later years refers to 40 year olds as kids even if she knows they aren’t

The way I see it is just the same interpretation for him being 35 and 18 year olds being kids, not literally but figuratively

It’s not a judgment on your own preferences

[vapid river]

oh yeah i understand that an 18 year old is legally an adult

but their mental/emotional maturity won't be near what i'd be even looking for

sure, are there some that might be, yeah

but i'm not about to go dating a bunch of 18 yos to find the one

that in and of itself sounds creepy asf

[rotund drum]

if we're gonna have this convo again can we at least make it about klee

[vapid river]

she is definitely puntable

wait is she actually old or something? she is an elf

[rotund drum]

old enough probs

[vapid river]

still hard pass

[rotund drum]

iirc hoyo never lists character ages for that specific reason

[lament shuttle]

If you start being downbad for Klee the reprimand system will meet your face real quick

[rotund drum]

i think gbf does list character ages occasionally

like charlotta is 27 i think

but everyone in these china gacha are just "however old you want them to be"

[vapid river]

gbf?

yeah i think just verina and encore have ever been mentioned to be actual children in wuwa

yeah?

lingyang might look like a child, but he's actually hella old too no?

like hundreds of years old

[rotund drum]

iirc shun's age is still listed at 18 in the official materials too even though she's a teacher

in BA

[hollow gorge]

lingyang is not a human though

[rotund drum]

iirc one of the chars has a voiceline about danjin and youhu being the same age too

so you can interpret that however you like

i suspect lingyang was originally intended to be a lot cooler but then genshit releases that lion dance char ad kusogames felt compelled to compete

so now he's just some dweeb who does lion dances

maybe it makes more sense if you're chinese

[neon falcon]

that's like not what's being said

[vapid river]

or maybe lion dancing is just part of their culture

[neon falcon]

bro nobody here cares abt your fictional preferences

this would've died already if you realized that

[vapid river]

but someone definitely dropped the ball on lingyang

[rotund drum]

i dont think it is

[vapid river]

???

[rotund drum]

as much as baseball is for americans at least

[vapid river]

are you saying lion dancing isn't culturally relevant to china?

b/c that's what i'm saying

so idk if you misunderstood or not

[rotund drum]

i dont think they really care that much

[vapid river]

i'm not saying they care loads about it

i'm saying it's culturally relevant to china

[rotund drum]

it'd be like if there was a canadian character and he was just a hockey player who fought with tackles

canadians wouldnt be like wow he's so cool i gotta reroll for him

just like me fr

[vapid river]

wtf are you even talking about?

where are these wild thoughts even coming from?

all i said was lion dancing is culturally relevant to china

so they made a character that ties into that

idk if you've played through 1.0 story but like

bro

we're fucking in china

jinzhou is like little china

[rotund drum]

im saying he looks stupid because they made him to compete with a genshit 4* who no one pulled for and now he's in standard pull and everyone gets spooked by him

[vapid river]

and i'm saying you're probably wrong about that

but to each their own

[neon falcon]

I love broccoli

[vapid river]

one of the better vegetables

[rotund drum]

find me someone who thinks lingyang looks cool then we'll talk

[vapid river]

i never said that either???

[rotund drum]

i dont think lingyang is actually worse than calcharo but people were simping the latter and not the former

[vapid river]

what are these braindead fucking platitudes you bring up?

[neon falcon]

dude ur so focused on being a hater

[vapid river]

bro just infers to hate

[neon falcon]

you're hearing voices

nobody is saying this

[vapid river]

there's nothing else

[neon falcon]

ur like that one tweet

[rotund drum]

why are we even defending lingyang

[vapid river]

i'm not?

[rotund drum]

its pretty much universally accepted that lingyang sucks

he's the qiqi of wuwa

[vapid river]

bro is lost in the sauce

[vapid river]

lost the plot

lingyang and lion dancing is culturally relevant to china
SO YOUR'E SAYING LINGYANG IS COOL?? WELL THAT'S WRONG, EVERYONE SAYS HE SUCKS

?????

[rotund drum]

if you went into a waffle appreciation channel and were like lol how about dem pancakes lolol then yeah

[neon falcon]

what appreciation channel is this

😭

[vapid river]

you're the one who constantly brings up genshin in the wuwa channel

you're legit the person who declared they made lingyang cuz hoyo lion dancer

[rotund drum]

can you think of a better explanation why they'd just have some rando lion dancer as a 5*

[vapid river]

i already fucking did

😭

cuz it's culturally relevant to china

[rotund drum]

and i already explained its not

[vapid river]

and if you haven't looked through jinzhou enough idk what to tell you

[neon falcon]

it's culturally significant?

[vapid river]

yeah idk

all chinese people hate lion dancing, you heard it here first from evlsimp

not culturally relevant

[neon falcon]

this is like asking why sara has tengu wings

cuz it's culturally significant in japan

[rotund drum]

you realize not all things associated with a country are things that gamers in that country care about

[neon falcon]

why does jinshi resonate with a dragon

[vapid river]

also the only standard 5* that aren't dog shit are encore and verina if that's what you really want to talk about

[neon falcon]

cuz it's culturally significant

[vapid river]

[neon falcon]

okay?

[rotund drum]

because it looks cool

[neon falcon]

You dont have to care about it

[vapid river]

when did i ever say they had to care about them?

[neon falcon]

that's just the reason they did it

[vapid river]

jfc

you're just a hateful troll

lowkey done with this convo

[rotund drum]

there's a horse in the chinese zodiac too

[vapid river]

yeah it's mort

obviously

[rotund drum]

if her ult was just a horse head popping out and spitting on them everyone would think that's fucking lame

[neon falcon]

😭

[vapid river]

he's the representation for horses

[neon falcon]

remember when lingyan's entire story quest was abt explaining why lion dancing is culturally significant and admired in jizhou? that's just coz it's cool

same reason why yunjin sang opera ig

[rotund drum]

you realize lingyang's story quest was so hated that they literally had to go back and patch it to make it skippable

because its literally just him explaining what a lion dance is for like two hours

[vapid river]

the skip feature was coming regardless, not to defend his sq

[rotund drum]

and you're just clicking and the text isnt progressing

[neon falcon]

Yes that is still

why they made it abt lion dancing

nobody gives a shit if you hated it

they did it because it's culturally significant

[lucid pebble]

Lingyang quest kinda ass, ngl.

[vapid river]

ngl if lingyang was actually likeable i would have felt bad for him

[neon falcon]

It's the worst part of the game hands down

[vapid river]

okay but is it b/c of the story

or b/c lingyang, as a character, isn't that enjoyable

[neon falcon]

the story is bad

[rotund drum]

you can call anything culturally significant but that doesnt explain or excuse it

[neon falcon]

??!??

how does it not explain it

and where am i trying to excuse it

[lucid pebble]

Should have gotten Sanhua quest fr fr.

[vapid river]

bro would rather compare it to genshin

and call it day

so he can shit on two games at once

[neon falcon]

bring back anti trolling tc specific rules

[vapid river]

[neon falcon]

[lucid pebble]

Kiko in shambles.

[rotund drum]

you dont think at any point someone would have looked at the script and been like "this is fucking lame no one carse about this shit go and redo it"?

[vapid river]

but maybe the CHINESE DEVS thought "hey, we like this, it's culturally significant!"

fuckin 3head

[neon falcon]

if this was how it worked no game would have a bad section ever

lmao

[rotund drum]

there's a reason the assassin's creed game set in america is about you flying around on bald eagles assassinating brits instead of sitting in a townhouse wiearing a powdered wig complaining about no taxation without representation

[neon falcon]

wuwa had a bad launch i doubt they were thinking abt rewriting entire quests

[vapid river]

crazy the chinese devs put something culturally relevant into their game when the main city is clearly based around china

[rotund drum]

even though the latter is much more culturally significant

[neon falcon]

😭

[lucid pebble]

I’m sorry Lingyang’s quest murdered your mother, spread your father’s ashes, and kidnapped your sister. But it is healthier for you to let it go rather than let the lion boy live rent free in your head.

[rotund drum]

jiyan's quest was probably worse tbh

but it's pretty obvious why jiyan exists

[vapid river]

jiyan didn't have a sq

[lucid pebble]

Ok, he’s actually trolling.

[vapid river]

???

[rotund drum]

he had the boat race/fishing tournament thing

[vapid river]

[rotund drum]

that segued into hours of flashbacks

[neon falcon]

how abt we just collectively ignore him now

[lucid pebble]

[rotund drum]

JYSIMPs triggered

[neon falcon]

that's not the gif i wanted

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826150561648083034/1326444119073095690/image0.gif

[vapid river]

what's vinsmoke cookin

[neon falcon]

pasta

[lilac hare]

How should brant be built? Is it the new er set we have now?

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-down-sex-essex-azur-lane-perfect-loop-gif-7748782200674839145

[neon falcon]

[rotund drum]

yes

[vapid river]

oh

[rotund drum]

all the new sets are basically sigs

that you can farm

[vapid river]

ngl i have an expectation of leaks when you talk

[rotund drum]

except maybe the coord one but that's basically just a generic sig for all the CAspammers

[lilac hare]

I do send them here immediately if I see them every time yes

[rotund drum]

the spectro set is phoebe sig and the ER set is brant sig

cryo set carlotta sig obv but most people already figured that out

[lucid pebble]

rocco runs the havoc set?

[rotund drum]

havoc set is generally ok for most havoc chars i guess

mostly just cause the other havoc set kinda sucks

[lucid pebble]

I have so many spectro pieces to level.

Mass level/tune option wen?!

[rotund drum]

i guess the old havoc set is fine by 1.x standards tbh but 2.x sets kinda crept them for anyone who can use them

[vapid river]

whale problems

[rotund drum]

the old cryo set was dead before anyone ever got the chance to use it

[lucid pebble]

My ZZ is still on the old cryo set.

[vapid river]

okay but why wasn't she on ml?

[rotund drum]

mass feed is nice but it needs an option to just autofeed mismatched elemental bonuses

[lucid pebble]

Briefly, then I wanted her to do damage rather than be a battery.

[rotund drum]

she does pretty decent damage now that she has the CA set

and hecate obv

[vapid river]

but roo doesn't have her on that set anyway

[rotund drum]

he can start

[lucid pebble]

I have barely been able to put Carlotta on a set.

[rotund drum]

iirc the new set isnt actually significantly better than the old cryo set for straight dps

it just gives free ER and a buff

[lucid pebble]

I lack the time and patience to level another set of double crit echoes for ZZ.

[rotund drum]

ZZ's damage distribution is like 50/50 between her teleporting skill thingy and her ult

[winged belfry]

Mine is still on 2pc 2pc

[lucid pebble]

And Yinlin, too.

[vapid river]

your lotta is fine tho no?

[hollow gorge]

the better your Carlotta is, the less difference there is between sets

[lucid pebble]

She’s okayge. I find that I don’t like using ult that much, so she would be better off on oldge cryo set for most of overworld.

[lilac hare]

Why does all the names start with c

[neon falcon]

WHY IS THAT GORGEOUS

[vapid river]

only phoebe as 5* first half?

it is cute

[winged belfry]

italy

[neon falcon]

italians

pain

[lucid pebble]

So Phoebe can put it in her pocket and use her wand/broomstick instead.

[vapid river]

yeah i want to call cart her original name, but meh

[lilac hare]

Apparently

[vapid river]

hmmge

that's kinda nice

hoping i win the 50 for rococo then i can just coast till cart

i'm at 69 pity rn >.>

or ciaccona if she's the mort replacement

please give me heavy% + aero damage sdps

[neat robin]

I may just get brant
Fuck meta

[lament shuttle]

I’m pretty sure Brant’s multipliers

[neat robin]

Jinhsi brant yuanwu team it is

[lament shuttle]

Don’t justify putting him on the new set

And 5pc rejuv will be better tdps

[neat robin]

Someone said tide brant ~5% better than fusion set

Depending on his dmg could do rejuv brant, moonlit yuanwu

I’ll want his sig ngl

250% for his passive atk bonus is easily done with 77% er sig and just one er 3cost

[rotund drum]

lol pull history ends after a certain date i think and i havent pulled a 5* on weapon banner since jinhsi so now i cant tell how far in i am

debating whether its worth getting roccia sig just for the crit

[neat robin]

It’ll be between brant or canterella
And we’ll have cant leaks before brant banner starts

Then I just wait for zani & aero ladies

[lament shuttle]

I skipped changli so Brant is kinda whatever but we’ll see how he turns out

[neon falcon]

is he a significant upgrade for changli?

[hollow gorge]

I don't see him being good anywhere but in CL team. Healing+ER but also oriented on dealing damage? Can't see it being something more than "good enough"

[lament shuttle]

Yeah right now he seems like shit but they still have time to up his numbers and do the classic we sell you the solution to a problem you’ll have in 1.5 months thing

[hollow gorge]

Depending on your playstyle. Brant makes her into a hypercarry, but I think her swap teams are better off with Verina or SK

[lament shuttle]

His outro will be ok but changli thrives on quick swap so prob an ok upgrade in some cases

Or not an upgrade at all if you’re quick swap verina with like say encore or something

But we could also be wrong like we were for ZZ who’s like the most in demand subdps so 😐

[neon falcon]

[hollow gorge]

Swap teams are input heavy, so I guess Brant is oriented on more leisure-like playstyle

[lament shuttle]

Yeah but if you’re doing the less swap heavy play styles changli really falls off lol

[hollow gorge]

well that's the point. Some ppl can't do it. On mobile it's also pretty hard, so if you still wanna play Changli without sweating much, Brant is your choice. But if you are sweaty, then there are better teams probably

[lament shuttle]

I’m still more convinced they’ll release a fusion hypercarry in a few patches to go with Brant

[hollow gorge]

They could, but it's not ZZ case, where it was obvious she wasn't tailored for JS, or at least not completely

[lilac hare]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-scar-gif-wuwa-wuthering-gif-18196999549381009407

[lament shuttle]

Ain’t he havoc

Or is that just the monster one

[lilac hare]

I think it’s the monster

[limber imp]

Changli is basically his other half is she not?

[lament shuttle]

In theory yes but with how changli is played it doesn’t quite work out

She wants lot of quick swapping and having to outro doesn’t align with that playstyle

[limber imp]

Are they not both quickswap focused and both of their outros buff eachothers damage? I mean changlis the only fusion resonance skill damage dealer and her outro buffs his fusion and liberation damage and he uses his liberation a lot right? So shorekeeper/Brant/Changli is bound to be pretty good

[winged belfry]

Outro and Quickswap focused go against each other

in a sense

[lament shuttle]

When you quick swap you lose intro and outro buffs

[winged belfry]

Aside from 2 cases

[lament shuttle]

So in a quick swapping team the buff uptime related to those is low

[winged belfry]

Verina and SK

[lament shuttle]

Yeah well the two best chars in the game are exceptions Xd

[winged belfry]

Also, most of Brants personal damage appears to be considered as basic attacks

[knotty fiber]

this

Changli is just

unga bungan't quickswap

can only shine when she takes less than a second on field

[rotund drum]

roccia looks ok for quickswap actually

her dropkick does like 300%

intro, E, dropkick x3, swap

probably want to get ult in there too i guess

might be worth doing manual charge dropkick > E > dropkick swap cancel too idk

i dont think there's any way to test her outside of that one story quest

[blissful tulip]

For now, there isn't

But manual charge always gives her one extra bar

[rotund drum]

gave her 2 iirc

if you full charge it

[blissful tulip]

Charging it and finishing it at any point will give 1 additional to what already exists

So charging it to two bars will always end up in the third being filled once you finish

Gave her 2 stacks only on her S1, being on her skill

[rotund drum]

i dont see that in her kit but that'd potentially make it a thing for field dps roccia i guess

[blissful tulip]

Need to mention that she gets that extra bar only when hitting an enemy

[rotund drum]

do you get it on any charge or does it have to be a full charge

can you charge 1f etc

[blissful tulip]

Any charge

So 2f = 3f

1f = 2f

[rotund drum]

might be ok

1f = 1 frame btw

[blissful tulip]

Had thought you meant forte

[rotund drum]

like you start it and instantly let go as soon as the charge starts

[neon falcon]

I'm really looking forward to next patch

[blissful tulip]

Yes, she'll get 1 bar from that

[rotund drum]

if you swap cancel your skill you can start the next rotation with 1 charge then do intro > instant charge for 3x dropkicks

or just do 2x dropkicks into skill cancel and swap cancel the dropkick

[blissful tulip]

You also get 1 charge upon intro

[rotund drum]

yeah

intro = 1, instant charge = 1, E buffers 1 more for next swap-in

[neat robin]

Is there enough about brants own dmg to make a guess on team builds
Like rejuv turtle brant (on proper crit er build) + empyrean yuanwu for jinhsi
Or tide brant + rejuv turtle yuanwu

[neat robin]

Found a clip of his whole kit 0->max forte

[wraith steeple]

so brant ans changli not really hot like that

and*

then i wonder who i could put with brant

[neat robin]

If I get him, jinhsi

[wraith steeple]

dammit i dont have her

[neat robin]

Zz is carlottas now, needed a new skill outro anyways (I wont use taoqi)

[wraith steeple]

i thought i could have some fun with him and changli

and i feel like i still can

[neat robin]

I’m just waiting til next patch for cantarella beta
I like brant though

[wraith steeple]

i feel like can just run XY, changli, and brant tbh

and ill be fine

[neat robin]

I feel like in general quickswap is just whatever, you ignore outro buffs

If you can time it so brant outros into changli before she does whatever skill dmg nuke thats fine

[wraith steeple]

oh thats not difficult

[neat robin]

This was just my question

[wraith steeple]

brants personal dmg doesnt feel very high to be a dps like that

[neat robin]

Quickswap def feels like you just build him dps build

He gains up to 1.5-2.6k atk off his passive

But hard to say with test videos

[wraith steeple]

true

[neat robin]

Could just be fine crit er er/fusion rejuv build

[wraith steeple]

thats his best in slot atm?

[neat robin]

You might lose some of his dmg, like buffing jinhsi’s nuke might be better than going with brants own dmg

[wraith steeple]

ahhh

i see

[neat robin]

He’s the tidebreak set

250+ er is 30% extra dmg

Generic dmg bonus iirc

[wraith steeple]

my main question is can he hit do some dmg worth writing home about

like ik he wont have a camidla nuke

[neat robin]

His sig is 77 er and gives him cr and.. basic?

One sec

[wraith steeple]

but can he melt tho if i build into that

is what i wanna know

hopefully he gets buffs

[neat robin]

Ngl

If his outro buff just didnt end on swapping off

Unless they dont want him to pair with changli

[hollow gorge]

wow... that's a very specific sig for a very specific character... I would stay away from it

[wraith steeple]

like idk where to put him bc i was about to do encore changli and him but now ive heard things so i dont know...

[neat robin]

Early 1.x was also random chars that didnt fit great together

[wraith steeple]

tru

[hollow gorge]

who is main in encore-changli. That sounds like Changli is buffing Encore

If so, Brant would be a third wheel

[neat robin]

I like brant but if cantarella is also a healer (and buffer) she seems like she’ll be better option

Havoc healer that is
No more spectro rectifiers pls

[wraith steeple]

lol

[wraith steeple]

i thought it could be quick swappy

[hollow gorge]

well, for Brant it can't. He wants you to hypercarry Changli

[wraith steeple]

dammit

[hollow gorge]

I mean, you can do it anyway, since wth, it's a game. But it won't be a 100% performance for either Changli or Brant

[wraith steeple]

damn dreams crushed

[neat robin]

Kinda why I wanted to do hsi brant quickswap & just stay on hsi (with brants outro buff) for her big nuke

[wraith steeple]

so he cant really a sub dps huh?

fucc

[neat robin]

I think he should end up doing a decent amount

Ngl

[wraith steeple]

what about chix him and some1?

still no

?

[neat robin]

I’m just not sure how brants own dmg multipliers will be

If you have 2k atk + this atk
And sig (so you can use 1-2 fusion 3costs and still hit 250 er)
Prob 70/220 crit on paper

[dusty crown]

the real pyro raiden

[neat robin]

Except he doesnt give that to teammates

Imagine if he buffed team atk 😔

[dusty crown]

just meant converting his ER to dmg/atk

i would've liked his weapon to be more of a support one similar to skeeper

[hollow gorge]

Hsi kinda needs coord attacks. Does he have those?

[neat robin]

No id use yuanwu as 3rd

Like hsi taoqi yuanwu
But brant cuz taoqi is gross

Either rejuv brant, empyrean yuanwu
Or tide brant, rejuv yuanwu idk
Prob sucks. Not sure how much dmg a properly built brant is doing

[wraith steeple]

^

that part

camidla turned out great for me

so perhaps he'll be the same

[neat robin]

Camy was never gonna be mid lol

I think they just dont like fusion chars
Changli & now brant are just in such a strange spot

[wraith steeple]

shes a star on my account i know shes not mid

lol

i just like the same

[neat robin]

Everyone else is starting to fit in

[wraith steeple]

name*

[lucid pebble]

Does ZZ run Hecate or Nightmare Mephis for 4-cost?

[wraith steeple]

so running glacio and attack 3 cost is actually fat?

[wraith steeple]

hecate no?

she boosts coordinated attack dmg

[knotty fiber]

Idk what fat is but it's what you're supposed to run

Probably even sigless

[wraith steeple]

oh dam

ok thats lit

[wraith steeple]

fat= in this context means very valuable

[knotty fiber]

then there you have it

[neat robin]

Neither
Zz in carlotta team is moonlit heron

[lucid pebble]

But I wanna run CA set.

[wraith steeple]

do it then

[lucid pebble]

Heron is ass.

ZZ does no damage with it.

[neat robin]

Hecate ig

Zz doesnt do dmg

Her 3 skill charges do

Yinlin is empyrean hecate

[lucid pebble]

So no one uses Nightmare Mephis?

[neat robin]

No apparently hecate is better for yinlin dps

Which ig makes sense its 40 dmg%
Mephis is 12+12 dmg types

[shut isle]

question regarding heron, the echo description says that the atk needs to land first before it gives the buff when u switch, but then i see people either dash cancel the echo or use it right before they swap onto their on fielder.

cuz im assuming the "outro skill within the next 15s" is 15s after the echo skill hits

[neat robin]

Its made of 2 parts

[hollow gorge]

ehh, you still lose out on stacks I think. At least first rotation, which is like a lot, since you need generally 3-4 rotations to be done

[neat robin]

Once atk lands regain reso energy.
If using outro within 15s buff next chars dmg.

Dmg buff is connected to outro use, not the heron dealing dmg

[neat robin]

I dont think taoqi does anything either

[shut isle]

use outro within 15s of what tho

[lucid pebble]

Of popping heron.

[neat robin]

Of using the heron

[shut isle]

ah

i see

[hollow gorge]

whaa... I mean you have better options than taoqi...

[lucid pebble]

Dash cancel heron and use outro within the next 15s.

[neat robin]

When carlotta has zz
Xy has yinlin ..
Jinhsi has… ???

[hollow gorge]

good ol verina+yuanwu

[shut isle]

stupid question but do outro skills pop if the character is currently in an echo animation

[neat robin]

Yes

[shut isle]

so its fine if say im on sanhua, and i heron with full concero and go into havoc rover

[neat robin]

Its really funny in carla team now
Sentry is doing its freeze bomb, sk is special intro, carlotta is doing her 2 outro hits

[hollow gorge]

Also I think that they might eventually introduce tailored support for JS

[neat robin]

I just want funny pirate 😔
Ik hes sorta useless rn

[hollow gorge]

and if that happens, Brant goes "And what am I supposed to do now?"

[neat robin]

You drop verina

[wraith steeple]

i really wanna use brant encore and changli

[neat robin]

Surely jinhsi support will be non spectro, to actually pair with her forte gen

[wraith steeple]

fucc it

[hollow gorge]

don't drop kids

[wraith steeple]

or chix brant and encore

one of the two

[neat robin]

Is chixia skill dmg?

[wraith steeple]

basic attck dmg for brant

s6

[neat robin]

No just thinking
Brants outro is fusion+skill

[wraith steeple]

chix is skill dmg

yes

the boom boom shit right?

[neat robin]

He’d buff chixia forte

[hollow gorge]

I think Chixia is split between skill and liberation

[neat robin]

Wait what

I havent read her resos

Yeah 3 of them buff her ult

Chixia brant kinda looks better than changli brant

[wraith steeple]

fucc it we building chixia

[neat robin]

She buffs basics
Brant buffs her forte spam which she needs to stay on field for

Not changli who uses 1 skill and dips o

[hollow gorge]

Chixia is also the best gun girl (don't at me)

[neat robin]

[wraith steeple]

@hollow gorge

kik

[wraith steeple]

how do you level echoes again if they dont get good sub stats?

[neat robin]

+10, if no crit its garbage

[lucid pebble]

I like that the resonator stays onscreen while they do their outro.

Makes it feel like a team.

[neat robin]

Though like
Carlotta is skill dmg, if I had atk% and skill at +10 id try +15 to see if it goes crit

[lucid pebble]

And if you switch back before their outro finishes, you appear at where the resonator is.

[dusty crown]

https://tenor.com/view/carlotta-wuthering-waves-wuwa-resonance-liberation-gif-8749910272949032995

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/carlotta-wuthering-waves-wuwa-resonance-liberation-gif-8749910272949032995

[neat robin]

Is carlottas intro dmg any good?

[hollow gorge]

yeah, it's decent

something like 300% at lvl6

[neat robin]

I’ll do the 3rd hecate run after this event stage then

Be 2nd fully maxed char

[wraith steeple]

holy shit

[hollow gorge]

Carl will be my first maxed char. Finally that achiev

[neat robin]

Xy was my first

Camy hsi & jiyan have 3 at lv10

[hollow gorge]

the dude got a cold shoulder from me for almost no reason, except my PTSD from farming echoes for an ER hungry Lib dependant character before

[lucid pebble]

I leveled XY to 90 and never used him.

[neat robin]

I did good prefarming
Didnt have to farm phlohiston since before 2.0

[neat robin]

His pretty face doesnt save him from that fashion disaster
But I love his attacks

[wraith steeple]

hmm

[neon falcon]

me too

[wraith steeple]

im glad we agree there

is chix actually with investment?

[neat robin]

Chixia is good yes

The crazy ones who 4* solo are usually chixia or danjin

& chixia likes carlottas sig

[hollow gorge]

ngl, I played her only early game. She is like lvl60. She can do well in ToA, but can be challenging

[wraith steeple]

she does doesnt she....

[edgy cobalt]

well its part of her rotation, you’ll never use her basics at all in TOA so you’d leave that at lvl1 instead if you want

[edgy cobalt]

ok whatever you’re just gonna max them all out anyways

[lyric fjord]

the only intro worth leveling is SK's

[rotund drum]

the basics are ok sometimes if you used your skill and then introed and have 2-3 ticks left

then you might as well do her NA combo for the superheavy before you ult

[edgy cobalt]

I never needed to NA

[vapid river]

ninjy is only basic attacking if he fucked up

he's got s3

[lyric fjord]

that's because you're not doing the right rotation lol

[vapid river]

any rot past s1 doesn't need an NAs

[edgy cobalt]

oh this is cucumber

[vapid river]

unless you lack er and can't get ult

suh

[edgy cobalt]

man I can’t keep track of names nowadays

[rotund drum]

s1 can also do just skill > NA if no intro

[vapid river]

i was cucumber

since june

of last year

[edgy cobalt]

slothcumber

[vapid river]

no it's a nod at catofficial

who idt has rejoined the server yet

nope

weird

must be locking in on his vacation to florida or something

[hollow gorge]

recognizing ppl by smile usage in our age

[edgy cobalt]

smile usage?

[vapid river]

emotes

is what they probably mean

[edgy cobalt]

oh emoticons I’m guessing

[vapid river]

idk anyone else who uses or

i might see a

[edgy cobalt]

oh word

[vapid river]

but i rarely use that

but yeah, s1+ lotta should never be doing any NAs

in tower

period

unless you lack er or you fucked up

misclicks do happen

[edgy cobalt]

you don’t need NAs at s0

Unless you don’t mind wasting a few seconds

[vapid river]

true, ig you should be doing HAs

[edgy cobalt]

clt skill -> supp rots -> clt intro skill ult rot then skill to repeat

[vapid river]

2HA to skill or something yeah?

[edgy cobalt]

literally the first second you do is clt skill when u spawn

[vapid river]

s0 you don't have any chargers

charges*

[edgy cobalt]

skill first

[vapid river]

so skilling doesn't really do anything i thought?

[hollow gorge]

you need BAs in OW. Overworld is true endgame.

[edgy cobalt]

then swap to supp rots

[vapid river]

it doesn't build forte

[edgy cobalt]

you fill her forte

when you’re in the air

[vapid river]

only a quarter bar though

if you 2HA it fills half

[edgy cobalt]

intro fills up half of it right?

then skill fills another quarter

[vapid river]

yeah but the first skill you need to 2HA first

so you're not going into it with 3/4 forte

oh

hmm

idk

does intro do half?

idk why but someone was saying either double plunge or double HA

so first skill does half bar

i fucking love prydwen

oh

is that all it does?

surely not

[rotund drum]

other way around

intro is 3 and skill burns all of it and using the skill gives 3 bullets

so if you HA for 3 bullets > skill you get 6

so if S1 its either HA > skill > intro or NAs

and if S0 its both

[vapid river]

yeah intro doesn't build forte

nah at s1+ you don't need to HA

[rotund drum]

intro gives 3

[vapid river]

it gives 3 charges

[rotund drum]

its in the forte skill description because kusogames cant figure out where to put shit so it makes sense

[vapid river]

to fill forte

it doesn't directly fill forte

"moldable crystals"

[rotund drum]

you should HA anyway since it burns all the bullets you have

[edgy cobalt]

ok here’s what I can confirm for you with my own eyes

I pop my skill at the very beginning

[rotund drum]

with S1 skill gives 9

[edgy cobalt]

I fill 1/4

I do my supp rots

[edgy cobalt]

I go to clt and now its 2/4

[hollow gorge]

character kit is usually in forte, it's just unusual compared to other games

[edgy cobalt]

then I skill
and it goes to 4/4

[rotund drum]

scroll up to the substance part

[vapid river]

so intro only does 1/4

[edgy cobalt]

tldr
my first skill gives her 1/4
when I intro its 2/4
I skill again and its 4/4

[vapid river]

30/120

ig that works yeahs

[rotund drum]

you're skilling without maxing your bullets so you're only getting 3 ticks of forte

if you HA first it'll burn all 6 bullets and give you 6 ticks

[hollow gorge]

🥲 why this is so scuffed. So it's fixed by having s1? 💀

[vapid river]

idk i skill/skill -> go through supps -> intro skill/skill EHA ult echo swap

[rotund drum]

so if you dont wanna wait for a second skill cd you can HA > skill > intro for 9 then N3 for the full charge

[vapid river]

yeah s1 fixes all the bullshit

her rot is incredibly easy past s1

[rotund drum]

its actually not really a huge deal since you can always get your charge by just skilling twice

s1 just lets you do gimmicks like intro or N3 instead of the second skill

sorry that was scuffed

[vapid river]

it's not a gimmick

her rot just becomes simple asf

skill/skill
cycle through supps
intro
skill/skill
EHA
ult
echo
swap

it's that fucking easy

no gimmick

[edgy cobalt]

but you can do this without s1 tho

[hollow gorge]

I mean, I just wanted my gun character to shoot things

[vapid river]

idk why you'd wanna throw in other random bullshit unless you're qs

[edgy cobalt]

https://youtu.be/oNctidihyLY?si=DdxutUPbMO7QwzTt

or I can just stream my rots and prove it

[vapid river]

that's about my clear time too

[edgy cobalt]

oh I’m a filthy 50s gamer

can’t 44s that shit

[rotund drum]

anyway its very QOL but you can work around it if you're sweaty since her charged heavy reduces the cd on skill anyway

[vapid river]

aix is like ~30-35s

[rotund drum]

being able to just yolo mash skill > N3 for instant charge is definitely nice though

[vapid river]

just cuz buffs are better there

[rotund drum]

and it comes with free crit rate

[vapid river]

i'm telling you there is no N3

i don't touch my left mouse button for anything other than the EHA

there's 0 need to

unless you're fucking up the rot

or doing some crazy qs shit

[knotty fiber]

why do you even need S1?

she works almost the same without S1

because you literally just

[knotty fiber]

cancel the heavy attack

easy

[vapid river]

you gain an extra 30 from res skill

[knotty fiber]

I know

and it doesn't change anything

[vapid river]

yeah i didn't realize intro gave 1/4 of a bar

till boolit said something

[knotty fiber]

it's still gonna conflict with the skill CD cuz you kinda have sit thru anyway