・wuwa-lounge

[dawn willow]

Oh wait nvm it's the same vid
Shotgun mode can parry, while pistol mode can't

I'm assuming "shotgun mode" is coded the same as sword, if her weapon is still that

[knotty fiber]

Some old units have Leap updates

Allowing them to have some extra abilities and buffed existing abilities to somewhat keep up with the current meta

They will be kicked out eventually, but it's a solution so that some comps are not too far behind some, and so that they don't have to release too many units that you feel overwhelmed

If they're directly powercrept before they got Leap then they will never get Leap tho

[spice finch]

Where is carlotta damage coming from?

Is it the burst + heavy shots during burst?

[knotty fiber]

Mostly liberation

[winged belfry]

https://x.com/lovelyoimiya/status/1863565299250839970?s=46

tuna (@lovelyoimiya) on X

looks so fun actually

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 12:46 PM

Yoimiya is shambles

[lyric fjord]

Damn her range and super long dashes

[knotty fiber]

Some ppl cracked the beta for 2.0

But idk if I should try

[small bronze]

lmao what

[knotty fiber]

Can play beta without an account it seems

But I'm so lazy to do it

[hollow gorge]

@neat robin what's your Jihnsi and Camy sequences? Which one do you use more/prefer more?

[neat robin]

s0r1 jinhsi
s2r1 camy

I prefer xy over either of them
Jinhsi doesnt need anything extra, camy is satisfying to flower bomb

Prob will bench both after carlotta drops she actually looks super fun to play

[hollow gorge]

You have Yinlin right?

[hollow gorge]

What is good about XY? I didn't lvl him, since electro set sucks, and LT will be powercreeped by next electro set to release, but now I am thinking about spending resources on him after all

[neat robin]

Yes s0r1 as well but I use her on moonlit to buff xy

[neat robin]

Hes super easy to use and fun attacks imo, and you can use 5tunes or 2/2 tunes & electro its fine

I use 2/2 build at s0r1 and clear middle tower just fine

5 tunes would be better for his yinlin team but 2/2 is good on any quickswaps too, plus can use mech echo still

Also his rot is fun, though ig thats all personal gameplay preference
His main nuke on lib use, then forte charges up 3 more times for extra mini ults that also do the time slow effect

[hollow gorge]

Ah, I can see why XY would be useful on mobile. Slowmo is pretty comfy

So, do you use him with Yinlin?

[neat robin]

Yeah. Didnt pull changli so I just hypercarry xy

Rejuv verina/skeeper, moonlit heron yinlin, xy

Skeeper is better for how long his fieldtime can be but I’ve used both just fine

Pretty sure successful dodges add to his forte count when in his ult form

[opaque flume]

Are any of the new characters not atk scaling?

[winged belfry]

Wuwa doesn't have non ATK scalers. Yuanwu is techincally one exeption, but his MVs are so low, that he isn't used for damage.

[opaque flume]

Ya I was just wondering if one of the upcoming characters was one

Also taoqi is also def

And storekeeper is sorta hp

[winged belfry]

Defensive scaling =/= offensive scaling

Carlotta is ATK scaler

Haven't seen Rococo kit

I'm not really interested in that to be honest

[opaque flume]

I mean taoqi does damage based on def

Like her mvs

[winged belfry]

does she?

[opaque flume]

Same with skeeper does discernment damage based on hp

As a nuke

[languid summit]

Yeah there's some different scaling in the game already.

It's just not very prominent because none of your top damage dealers have it.

[winged belfry]

ok, I was suprised

It is HP scaling

But it's only on super intro

[languid summit]

Yeah it was the only way they could get it to do decent damage given you're building her for HP/ER.

It's early still, but they've done a good job of keeping things fairly balanced.

[winged belfry]

Taochi has some mid DEF MVs

[neat robin]

Theres no main dps without atk scaling

I think adding def or hp scaling to a main dps isnt great for this game anyways, if you have the stats to just tank all hits and also do good dmg it sorta defeats the purpose of dodge-parry-counter mechanic

[languid summit]

Yeah they don't need to abandon that because they haven't been dumb and introduced a Benny type.

You can introduce new supports/hybrids with damage/Atk/DMG bonuses outros or sequences and keep things going.

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, in this game even Shorekeeper can be clapped by bosses. Monke hologram chimps can undo her in 1-2 shots, other holograms are 3-4 hits. So I don't see an issue with HP or def scaling.

Kuro will get there eventually, for variety purposes

[neat robin]

Holos are onetime things
Monthly tower is where its balanced for

[winged belfry]

In ToA Aix will still 1 shot every one

And second, HP scaler would probably have like 40k HP at most

so 1 shot will become 2 shot

not the biggest issue design wise

[vapid river]

I genuinely feel bad for anyone who struggles with aix in tower

[blissful tulip]

Its hitbox and occasional flying are quite annoying with most of the 1.0 damage dealers

Mainly HRover

[vapid river]

idk those feels, used hrover like twice. didn't like it so i stopped

[dawn willow]

Til you can now fast travel to tacet fields whut

Well I rarely farm echoes in the first place, so they prolly could've added that qol from previous patches

[neat robin]

i keep getting lib% and not skill subs

[opaque flume]

I struggled with the robot thing

But aix wasn’t bad

[hollow gorge]

Maybe, it's already hard to die in ToA. Don't remember when was the last time my char died there. The timegate can be the only issue

[hollow gorge]

Bosses too

[vapid river]

which robot thing?

[neat robin]

Mech I’m guessing

Hes got some annoying aoe & takes up so much space

[opaque flume]

Fallacy

[hollow gorge]

Fallacy needs a poise breaker, if you can't burst him down. Like Yuanwu or Youwho, whom nobody lvls obviously

[neat robin]

Can break fallacy to knock him out of flight too

Annoying when he flies around & you have a full melee team though

[vapid river]

Just kill before he goes up >.> or use camy and float

[opaque flume]

Sorry bro I’m not a whale

I gave up and took 1 star ngl

[vapid river]

don't apologize for not having disposable income >.>

[neat robin]

Whale for what even

Monthly tower fallacy? Overdrive?

I used s0r1 xy team

[edgy cobalt]

spending in general

[neat robin]

I was talkingn about the 1* fallacy

You dont need to whale to clear it

Does anyone have the nightmare 4cost buffs yet?
I may just farm spectro/tunes field while its double and ignore any 4cost farming til 2.0

[opaque flume]

Idk my damage isn’t high enough

I used xiangli shorekeeper yinlin

And like idk

Just didn’t do enough damage

[neat robin]

r1 xy?

[opaque flume]

Abyss surges

[neat robin]

Rejuv skeeper, moonlit heron/bell yinlin, 2/2 or 5pc xy

[opaque flume]

I’m using 5pc atk xy, rejuv skeeper, and electro yinlin with the 5* standard catalyst

[neat robin]

I use moon heron yinlin to buff xy (prob wants coord set in 2.0)

[opaque flume]

Im doing very low damage for where i need to be tho

[neat robin]

Everyone should be basically ult > skill/na combo > outro >

[opaque flume]

To get 3*

[neat robin]

I do 190-220k ult with xy depending on verina or skeeper

[opaque flume]

I do like 110

Lmao

[neat robin]

Also lv10 for all his talents

[opaque flume]

I’m at lvl 9

I think

For ult and concerto

And e

[neat robin]

Hm. Skeeper outro > yinlin skill 4na skill hold outro > xy mech skill ult?

First rot is slower cuz you gotta build concerto but it smooths out for 2nd onward

[hollow gorge]

Just invest in 2 teams only(DPS first), that's enough to full clear the tower, because you do 4th floors with one team, and middle tower with another. Don't spread out your investment, get double crit echoes on your DDs (preferably with 3rd useful sub)

[opaque flume]

I’m clearing the right and left towers easily

I struggle with fallacy

[hollow gorge]

It just means you need better echoes. Going from 2 subs to 3 subs in your echoes is a 30% DPS increase. That's like a sig or a good sequence

[opaque flume]

Interesting theory

[hollow gorge]

Well, what's the problem? Getting better subs on your echoes is almost always the answer. Subs are OP in wuwa

[neat robin]

Cr cdmg atk%/main dmg bonus on each piece is good

I’m happy with my jinhsi now even if I’m missing skill% subs, I got crit & atk down

[hollow gorge]

Also, consider using 2 Lingering 2 thundering sets, it should be much easier to get better subs (if you have on set pieces in backpack)

Since 5th piece is flex, you can put a godly 1 cost piece there from another set

[neat robin]

^

Honestly with all the atk from standard guantlet xy probably likes the dmg bonus from 2/2 instead of 5pc atk buff

Also xy likes more into cr subs
Its a lot of small hits you wanna be getting mostly crits out of it

Not like jinhsi where you can reset if her one main nuke misses

[edgy cobalt]

sk could be the time killer

she can either save you 10 seconds or waste you 40 seconds

from my experience

[hollow gorge]

You don't really need to get Outro on her every time. It's often faster to get 2 outros on someone else, like Sanhua

[knotty fiber]

I haven't tried Fallacy with anyone else other than Jiyan

Cuz Jiyan is my fixed pick for that

[neat robin]

Ive done overdrive tower fallacy with both camy and xy

2* with encore, redid with camy, redid again with yinyao lol

[neat robin]

Yeah that doesnt help when its no sanhua

Skeeper into yinlin into yao is pretty easy anyways
First rot isnt much slower earning concerto than verina was (s0-1 veri like me)

[winged belfry]

Tips for fallacy - don't use Jinhsi, since Fallacy has like 60% Spectro res.

It's highly mobile and insanely dangerous in 2nd phase, so more stationary you go, less effective your team becomes.

Xiangli Yao and Yinlin is probably the best Choi vs Falacy, as Jiyan and Camellya are less mobile and more range limited. Apparently also Chixia is really good because she's ranged so she can also be applying damage, and not needing to reposition herself.

[knotty fiber]

Jiyan is just perfect

less because of mobility

more because of how much vibration dmg he can scrape off Fallacy

if something is too mobile, make it immobile

[knotty fiber]

best I can do for Yinyao is 70s or 75s

Jiyan still easily gets 60s

[vapid river]

What does your jiyan look like stats wise? Heavy atk% as well

[knotty fiber]

he's avg

[vapid river]

still not bad

[knotty fiber]

why

[vapid river]

was just curious

is he s0r1?

[knotty fiber]

yes

[vapid river]

hmm

i think it's his s2

i'm surprised you didn't go for it

on his rerun

16% cr and 32%cdmg

[knotty fiber]

why would I

I don't specifically like him

[vapid river]

rip

makes sense then

[knotty fiber]

I enjoy playing him

[vapid river]

he makes the game very easy

[knotty fiber]

but not to the extend of getting his sequences

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

and I don't like how people downplay him

so I keep using him to slap in their faces

[vapid river]

people downplay jiyan?

[knotty fiber]

yes

[vapid river]

who are these people?

[knotty fiber]

a lot

[vapid river]

do they not have working eyes?

[neat robin]

I think cuz people like one big number like camy

Jiyan is just a shitton of smaller numbers

[vapid river]

my jiyan ult hits for over 100k on the big one and like 35k on the other two?

how is 175k dmg not good enough?

[neat robin]

Yeah vs 400k hsi or camy

[vapid river]

then he swoops everyone and wrecks shit

[knotty fiber]

funny how that nuke isn't the big part of his ult lol

[vapid river]

yeah but he's doing 15-16k like every second

idk

[neat robin]

Yeah ik its just people like big numbers

[vapid river]

well multiple times every second

[knotty fiber]

15k/s is a down statement

[neat robin]

Mualani vs neuv basically

[vapid river]

yeah it's like a continuous stream of 15-16k hits

that last the entire duration of his ult

[neat robin]

I want his s3 for the cv

[knotty fiber]

15k*8/3s if I'm not wrong

[neat robin]

I got to s2r2 last run

[knotty fiber]

assuming all hits crit

[vapid river]

wait it's 8 hits every 3s?

[knotty fiber]

which it won't

8 hits every full action

and it's 3s or so for me

cuz I dodge cancel

[vapid river]

okay i don't sweat that much

but maybe i should

reduce my clear times

[knotty fiber]

I don't remember how many full actions I can do

but it's a lot of dmg

[vapid river]

i mean that's already 120k dmg

from one full action

[knotty fiber]

makes Yao look like a joke

[vapid river]

but yao also kinda easy to play

[vapid river]

i won't work on his weapon till next rerun, but s4r1 is good enough for me

[knotty fiber]

I sweat on Yao more than Jiyan trying to reach Jiyan level

but can't

lol

[vapid river]

tbf he was free

[knotty fiber]

I'm just used to Jiyan now

[vapid river]

and if one actually cared about their account enough to reroll they'd also have a free jiyan+sig

and maybe even yinlin+sig

yeah, he's comfy

i use him in ow

[knotty fiber]

OW is where I avoid using him and Tsubaki

[vapid river]

camy is fun, but there's something about double e use

[knotty fiber]

they are worse than other options

[vapid river]

.>

[knotty fiber]

Changli is still the best so far

[vapid river]

i don't have her

though i can see that

[winged belfry]

You knew what? I'm of option that she's in fact the worst 5 star released in 1.X

And her position is only going to get worse

She's very much hypercarry unfriendly

[knotty fiber]

I'm only talking about the open world aspect

she's the best mob clearer

the rest is eh

[winged belfry]

Oh

Well

[knotty fiber]

her gameplay is very much too hard to pair with anyone

[winged belfry]

I think Camellya is better at if

[knotty fiber]

because of how hungry she is for quickswapping

and they killed quickswap for the outro effect

[winged belfry]

Her MV/s are abysmal if she's isn't quick swapping, and none of relevant buffs are retained at swaps

Quick swapping will remain a relic of time where we don't had any good buffers

Like as long as you can get like 25% buff from outro of previous characters, swapping usually becomes less useful

Because you aren't going to get that massively better MV/s if you do quick swapping

Unless your name is Changli

[knotty fiber]

which is the main reason why her release was quite questionable

considering what they did to the outro

unless they're gonna powercreep that as well

[winged belfry]

I'm pretty sure even in 1.0 outro buff was lost upon swapping, aside from the usual verina stuff

[knotty fiber]

yes

in beta they weren't

on release they set the swap limitation

so kakarot kinda died

[winged belfry]

I'm pretty sure Calculator had his MVs nerfed as well

Anyway, Changli is one characters over picked for most waifu reason

And she remains my only limited 5 star that I don't really use in ToA

Well, maybe expect just doing F1 and F2 if I'm saving on vigor

[small bronze]

i love jiyan

[small bronze]

another piece dropped might stop soon

[neat robin]

I need to go back to my jiyan build

70/265 ish missing a cr and cdmg sub
2.3k atk with double aero is solid though

I dont like farming aero field, that glacio set is ass

[small bronze]

im getting too influenced by people shitting on my boy jiyan and im trying to make him perfect

[lyric fjord]

They could also maybe change how some outros work to allow some to keep their buffs

They changed spectro rover, maybe they'll change changli

[burnt shoal]

screen paused here after defeating boss when doing the illusive realm thing so weird

2 chars zoom

[opaque flume]

Mort is getting ready to tackle her

[neat robin]

😭

[vapid river]

why does this not show atk?

[vapid river]

https://tenor.com/SC61.gif

[hollow gorge]

Get down, Ms.president

[lucid pebble]

Mort creeping caught in 4k.

[small bronze]

it was on top didnt fit in da screen

[lilac hare]

Damn

So this is what happens when your echoes inventory is full, they mail you the rewards

[hollow gorge]

Yeah. Have been dealing with that last month. Honestly, it gets obnoxious when you run out of echoes to dispose of and have to merge useful echoes

Not yet Genshin levels of toxic artifact management, but we also have mostly Atk Crit scalers

[neat robin]

Yall dont.. roll echos?

This is why I have no tunes ever. Roll to 10 if no crit, you scrap it

[small bronze]

made me start actually checking all echoes when i get them from tacets or illusive and tag them with discard now

also is c1 yao worth it?
as in is there any site that give or take compares how much it increases performance

[barren drift]

i roll to 15

[winged belfry]

I roll them in sessions, not every time I aqire new echo

[neat robin]

Idk same here but ive got maybe 300 in storage & 1/3 of them are discard

[winged belfry]

I've had to merge 200 echoes today, or I wouldn't be able to do dialy double tacet

[burnt shoal]

do you guys keep hp or def echoes

me no merge cause idk what to keep

[vapid river]

only hp on healing set

[burnt shoal]

i only merge like wrong ele goblet

[burnt shoal]

ohhh

[winged belfry]

on HP set, and sometimes on Moonlight set

[vapid river]

but i'm not about to stockpile def/hp 1 costs of other sets

[burnt shoal]

i thought we had def scaling chars too

and maybe future will get hp

[winged belfry]

I'm going to do a purge of missmatched 3 star echoes

[vapid river]

skeeper's modified intro is hp scaling iirc

[winged belfry]

then, they'll probably use a new set

[vapid river]

and yuanwu is def scaling

but i'll worry about farming those echoes when it comes time to do so

[burnt shoal]

ohh i guess

[vapid river]

if you're complaining about not having space

but have glacio main stat on fusion set i don't feel bad for you

[burnt shoal]

i had like 200 gold exp a few days ago

then decided to waste it finding a perfect like fusion goblet for mort

burned up almost all exp releveling even with recycled exp rip

[vapid river]

we got a bunch of new sets coming out

and you're leveling fusion main set 3 costs for mort

[burnt shoal]

when i started that session I had like 15-20 fusion dmg bonus pieces unleveled ig

i can prefarm the echo exp but i won't have the pieces to use all of that in day 1 i think

still need to get lucky with like goblets and crit dmg

[neat robin]

Mort zz yinlin are gonna be refarmed to the rinacita coord buff set

Moonlit is still for support like sanhua

[lyric fjord]

Lol doing this right before new sets drop is not the brightest idea (did the same)

[burnt shoal]

oh i have a lot of middle pieces at around level +20 left over anyway

i can just feed those to the new set

[neat robin]

They forgot fast travel to aero field

[lyric fjord]

You need to visit them first

[neat robin]

Ive been there before

How recently was this added cuz I was farming spectro/tunes for a while and it never had the fast option

[blissful tulip]

It only counts your 1.4+ visits

If you have been there prior, it does not count until you've been there again

[neat robin]

I see

[small bronze]

jiyan farming

[neat robin]

I went back to him yeah. Cant prefarm for carlotta so may as well

Need one cr one cdmg sub more & hes perfect

[hollow gorge]

You have to do something in this game. This patch is barren. I barely remember to get in the game, already collected like 100 stored energy

I feel like PoE 2 might actually deal a significant blow to the playerbase of Wuwa

[vapid river]

yeah, farm tuners and tubes

stock pile resources for when the new stuff comes out

there's legit no harm in playing other games

i've been playing fo2

and rimworld

like doing dailies and keeping yourself from getting capped on energy is really all you need to do atp

[neat robin]

Its almost like a game doesnt need to occupy hours per day

[vapid river]

if you can't keep yourself from leveling echoes then it's not a wuwa problem

[neat robin]

Its healthy. And they have that ‘please take a break’ popup now

[vapid river]

i've seen that a few times

but that was at the start of the patch

when i still had a bunch of content to do

now it's just camy quest?

and i'm waiting to finish that

[neat robin]

Ive finished everything
I get to log on burn some stam & collect my daily savings for carlotta rn

[vapid river]

ye and i don't plan on pulling her

unless her gameplay really really calls to me

i'm just gonna save for zani

[neat robin]

Ah

I sent a carla combat video before in here

[vapid river]

ye i've seen it

but seeing it and playing it isn't quite the same

[neat robin]

Yeah that

[vapid river]

i saw changli gameplay and thought it was cool

actually played her and wasn't too thrilled

vice versa with jinhsi too

i really had no intentions of pulling her

[neat robin]

Changli looked pretty (feather design) but didnt like it anyways

I’m not a fan of her mid air stuff

[vapid river]

but i'm more than likely skipping till 2.2

i don't need roco

or w/e her name is

roccia

roach

[neat robin]

Carlotta s0r1 for me
Skipping roccia

[vapid river]

then the swashbuckler and phoebe are meh

i like their designs, but not enough to pull

[neat robin]

Depends who the heal/shielder is and if its worth it

Shielder ig cuz of this one

Im not sure how its supposed to work when its ‘when shielded, but +crit when taking dmg’ unless damaging a shield counts

[opaque flume]

It’s the same as the bell thing

In the dream

[neat robin]

?

Shatter is when you deal dmg while having shield

[opaque flume]

Illusion realm

Idk

[neat robin]

Yeah shatter is the realm bell buff

It triggers from dealing dmg

[opaque flume]

This one

[neat robin]

Oh. Not the actual bell echo

Thats also

[opaque flume]

Oh I forgot ngl

[neat robin]

Different though

[opaque flume]

Ya I assume it works the same

Prolly a translation error

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[neat robin]

That says ‘attack taken’
Echo set is ‘dmg taken’
Hopefully same thing on release

Cuz having shield +dmg taken in one thing is strange

[opaque flume]

Ya

[knotty fiber]

HP burn

[neat robin]

Wheres the shield coming from
I wanna guess they’ll do a 5* shield instead of healer this patch

I think shield is still not great though, not needing to dodge or parry removes like half of combat

[knotty fiber]

they could have the shield themselves

and have HP burn mech

[opaque flume]

Is that taking damage?

I know in Genshin it’s not

[knotty fiber]

that's a mistranslation

the set asks for "when the HP reduces" not "takes damage"

[opaque flume]

Oh ok

So then danjin set

Fr

[knotty fiber]

could be

depends on how highly you rate 15% crate

[hollow gorge]

Stockpiling is boring

You stockpile, then get everything day1 the new stuff releases, then have nothing to progress towards Peak gameplay

I guess ppl playing gacha have a tendency to stockpile, so can't blame this playstyle

[vapid river]

then play a different game

idk what to tell you

if you lack content then it's b/c you did it too fast

there was actually a fair amount of stuff to do at the start of the patch

and if you're not going to stock pile resources when you're outta content wtf are you going to do? just not play the game?

like what other alternatives do you have?

this specific instance is unique in the sense that we know other, new/better echo sets are coming

[hollow gorge]

Let's be honest, this patch has close to zero content. Understandable, because they have big patch next, but not a good practice to lose players due to a barren patch right before new area is released

[vapid river]

using resources on echoes rn is waste

[lilac hare]

I still didn’t do the main story quest yet

[vapid river]

same

i'm waiting for awhile

[lilac hare]

I just log in, spend resin, mald that my inventory is full of echoes, discard some and repeat

And do toa when it resets

[blissful tulip]

I don't have much to do either at all, I'm practically done with everything

But this game respects your time unbelievably well

[lilac hare]

Yes

[blissful tulip]

3 minutes and you're done

[lilac hare]

The sweep mode is really good

[blissful tulip]

Every gacha has these moments at one point or another in the patch

[lilac hare]

Is that what it’s called?

[blissful tulip]

It's just the nature of the genre

[blissful tulip]

Just 2x

[hollow gorge]

Surely, that's not intended game experience. Like nothing in managing overflowing echo storage and logging just to spend resin is fun

[blissful tulip]

Sweep is not doing the stage at all and grabbing the rewards immediately

[lilac hare]

Aah, that saved a lot of time for me nonetheless

[lilac hare]

It’s ok to do them whenever you have the time imo, at least for me

Might be because I still have lots of content to do

Including exploring the newest area

[hollow gorge]

If the echo storage wasn't full, I would at least run around, kill some mobs, collect some echoes And it's full with useful echoes, I just don't have tuners to tune them

[neat robin]

You can scrap most echos idk why you keep so many

Build a char and scrap the rest of that element, start stockpiling when a new char wanting that set is dripped

[vapid river]

is guy jones expecting unlimited content from a gacha?

💀

i'm just hoping the new sets won't be needed for tower

[neat robin]

Id like to think they arent buffing tower enemies so soon

[hollow gorge]

It's not a rocket science, making satisfactory game loops. There are lots of them invented already. Wuwa sort of has it in the form of echo collection, but it is impeded by game mechanics

[neat robin]

Every gacha has dead periods when you have nothing to do

[hollow gorge]

I have many characters unbuilt. Like Yuanwu, Jianxin etc. They also need multiple sets, like Rejuv and Moonlit etc etc

[vapid river]

then you have things you could be doing

farm tubes and tuners

level those echoes

clear up space by getting rid of echoes you don't actually need

surely not every echo you have at cap is worth leveling

[hollow gorge]

Farming tuners acquires me more echoes than I can dispose of

[vapid river]

not true

mass batch

ez

get rid of some 1 cost atk main stats

or the 4 costs you can always perma farm

the 100 energy regen on havoc/glacio/electro/anything other than moonlight/rejuv

just yeet them

you've stockpiled so many atp

and haven't really touched 'em

[hollow gorge]

Those are the rarest atm Why should I get rid of rare echoes?

[vapid river]

1 cost atk% are rare for you?

idk

just sounds like you wanna bitch about something to bitch about it

maybe play something else

[hollow gorge]

Yes, since I don't farm overworld due to echo storage overflow

[vapid river]

yeah b/c your'e holding onto echoes you don't need to be

would be my guess

for the "what if i could use it?"

[hollow gorge]

I am holding on echoes I need

[vapid river]

w/e you say

[hollow gorge]

Point is that 1 Tacet field run lets you tune only one echo. If you get on average at least 1 useful echo per run, you won't get tuners for anything else

900 tuners per patch we get from other sources is a drop in the ocean

[neat robin]

I have 10 fully built chars no tuners and ~300 echos in storage

And most of those unlevelled are moon/tunes 3costs realisitcally i’ll never need

[vapid river]

yeah

why use a moonlight 3 cost with glacio

when your support/sub would probably benefit from er

they're not meant to be on field and do crazy dmg anyway

or a havoc 3 cost with er

why would i want that?

the set is for dmg

give me atk% or havoc main

i say that as i have 20 er 3cost havoc echoes

[vapid river]

though you've got a long way to go from cap

[neat robin]

Yeah

[vapid river]

though do you have all +25 on mort?

[neat robin]

Any off-element or er% dps set gets discard

[neat robin]

Yes

[vapid river]

crazy

[neat robin]

And zz and yinlin

[vapid river]

mine is still +15

ye yinlin has all 25

maybe zz too?

ye she is

my skeeper 4 cost is +0

must have forgor

actually does she want hp% or healing?

[neat robin]

At least I can just move zz’s moonlit set onto sanhua after coord set farmed

[vapid river]

probably healing?

[neat robin]

Hp /cdmg main depending on investment

[vapid river]

she's level 60

with sig also at level 60

[hollow gorge]

My problem is that I need to build full atk, full def, full HP Rejuv sets, and Rejuv also needs ER. So basically everything except 3costs Ele DMG gets stored and I don't have tuners to build that

[vapid river]

ah cdmg cuz her altered intro is 100% crit

[neat robin]

Yeah ok you dont even need to tune rejuv stuff
Er mains and level em to +25 you’re good

[vapid river]

so i'm guessing since she's practically no investment just go hp%?

^

[neat robin]

Yeah if you get downed its half of skeeper hp to rez them

[vapid river]

but when you do tune them

you get shit like this

totally good for verina

[hollow gorge]

Sure, you don't need to do that, unless you want to do that. And I want Rejuv sets with on set subs

[neat robin]

Why are you taking so much dmg

You dont need them to heal like crazy

Skeeper at least has her special intro
None of the others matter when built as healer slot

[vapid river]

this is good right

[hollow gorge]

I take almost zero damage. I haven't died in ToA like 2 patches at least. I just like my chars be well equipped for the role

[vapid river]

yeah all your problems are self inflicted

[neat robin]

If itd been cdmg instead of skill… so close to perfect

[vapid river]

it's fine

double hp

er

good enough

[hollow gorge]

Sure, but why should I change my playstyle?

[neat robin]

Because you’re complaining about too much to tune

[vapid river]

i never said you should

[neat robin]

So you dont need to worry about them

If you havent died, the healers are doing enough for you

[hollow gorge]

Again, I don't worry. I just want them to be geared well, that's all

[vapid river]

also does she actually want hp% 3 costs?

[neat robin]

Er

[vapid river]

my skeeper so unoptimized but still carrying by virtue of being a healer

oh good

[neat robin]

You need 230 er with fallacy to max her crit buff

[vapid river]

257

[neat robin]

Well hp if you do get perfect subs

She gets +10 from fallacy use and +10 from ult in combat

I tried ti build started getting basic & heavy subs and gave up

These 2 get scraps

[vapid river]

does she need to be 90?

[neat robin]

No I thought she’d do more dmg than she does

[vapid river]

ig my 28k hp vs your 47k

oh

so it doesnt' matter

[neat robin]

The hp difference is big though

Its funny if someone dies and they get a +22k revive

[vapid river]

14k is just fine

[neat robin]

None of my dps have more than 18k hp

[vapid river]

my camy only has 16.5k

yeah

just overkill atp

[hollow gorge]

Indeed. Because if I don't, I don't have a goal to progress to. If I change my perspective to being satisfied, then it means I already have everything I need for observable future. At which point I don't need to play the game

[neat robin]

So if your goal is to perfect your support’s builds, you can spend time farming tacet fields

You basically dont need any 3costs that arent er

[neat robin]

I was trying to get a cdmg fallacy but I scrapped so many cuz I dont keep unless it goes er sub by +10

I sorta want to level youhu cuz I hate baizhi
But idk how quick she is at concerto compared to baizhi who at least can borrow r5 variation

[vapid river]

why are you using baizhi?

especially if you don't like or want to use her

[neat robin]

Was for overdrive

Which ik is a onetime thing but its fun to test chars there

I’m doing .. one or two multi on xy banner cause I want lumi for overworld

[vapid river]

oh shit

that's right

painge

i may end up with s2 xy

[neat robin]

I have coral but id rather not on a 4*

[vapid river]

feels like a waste

and for me his s2 isn't a bad thing

actually i wouldn't mind losing the 50

and getting jianxin or encore

i'd trade my s4 lingyang for an s1 jianxin or s1 encore

or my s2 carrot

[neat robin]

I want xy dupes but I also wanna lose for s2 verina

[vapid river]

ye, s2 verina is nice

my verina is s0

i've only lost 50s to lingyang and cal

kinda bullshit

but what can ya do

[neat robin]

I have s2 cal ling, s1 encore veri. No jian

Not that id use her anyways

Just give me s6 veri that’ll be fine

[vapid river]

i just want jianxin cuz i liked her in the story

[neat robin]

Encore dupes giving her heavy dmg is so dumb

[vapid river]

i have no idea how she's meant to be played

but when you ult doesn't her heavy do something?

the gauge or w/e

[neat robin]

Oh no nvm I misread that
Her forte is called heavy attack

[vapid river]

yeah

weird

[hollow gorge]

It's not dumb, because devs didn't want standard copies to be of use

[neat robin]

Its liberation dmg but called heavy attack

[neat robin]

Her normal forte is her exploding where you cast it, ult & forte explodes on an enemy

I think

I dont like her gameplay enough to remember

[vapid river]

same

she feels bad to play

[neat robin]

She is hella fun in illusive though

[hollow gorge]

She is great to play, if you don't follow the guides to the T. Instead of playing her optimally, just play however you want, she is strong enough for that

[neat robin]

This was fun

Giant ass sheep

Encore is my weakest build tbh (except cal but I havent used him since 1.1). Just missing a couple crit subs on everyone except hsi

And just waiting to move zz moonlit onto sanhua, but needing to refarm 3 coord sets save me

[vapid river]

damn

rip cal

[neat robin]

If they hadnt butchered cal+yinlin quickswap 😭

[vapid river]

level 80 mort?

[neat robin]

But losing all the buffs swapping isnt worth it

[vapid river]

for what?

[neat robin]

His big ol’ 1.2k coords

[vapid river]

is it even worth level mort?

mine's been 60

since forever

[neat robin]

Probably not

When I get bored I start levelling someone in my main teams

[vapid river]

unless i need to my verina/mort will stay 60

and yes i don't have verina's second thing

[neat robin]

Its sorta useless

Saves you once, doesnt reset on tower retries anyways

[vapid river]

you have to wait the 10 minutes?

kinda fucked

[neat robin]

Yeah so. Redo tower & dont have that revive lol

And nobody waiting 10 mins to retry with that bonus life

[vapid river]

yeah fuck that

what does your jinhsi have for res skill bonus?

solid stats

[neat robin]

Basically none dont judge me

[vapid river]

all good

[neat robin]

Shes also on atk/ele mains

With the same atk as jiyan.. who has aero/aero

[vapid river]

isn't she supposed to be if you have sig?

it's okay, jiyan has uhh higher base atk

oh he actually does

413 for jinshi and 438 for jiyan

w/o weapon

[neat robin]

My hsi wanted ult nukes not skill nukes

[vapid river]

a single sub of res skill

and jiyan got 2 heavy

[neat robin]

I’m trying to fix jiyan rn

[vapid river]

he's only missing a bit of cdmg though

don't you have him like s2?

[neat robin]

S2 yeah

S3 is the cv one

[vapid river]

ye

was gonna say just 1 away

[neat robin]

I was gonna say I want the last cr sub I’m missing but

[vapid river]

cuz this is nice

[neat robin]

Skeeper + s3 is. 28% cr?

[vapid river]

my skeeper is with my camy

verina will probably always be with jiyan

jiyan/mort/verina

[neat robin]

Jiyan is much comfier with skeeper than camy+sk

[vapid river]

hmm

i could try

honestly

i want to get rid of mort

i hated his design at launch

was sadge he was a must have for jiyan

[neat robin]

I got a beringal! Until nightmare version comes around

[vapid river]

damn

that's a nice monke

at least the carapace

can be easily replaced

low cdmg

not a big deal

[neat robin]

Low all rolls tbh

[vapid river]

ye, almost anything you roll with double crit will have higher

[neat robin]

Yeah if I get s3 next rerun thouh I’m fine not getting a cr sub

[vapid river]

i got so lucky getting s4

[neat robin]

69+16+12 from him, s3, sk

[vapid river]

extra heavy atk

this is my monke

[neat robin]

s3 cv, s4 heavy%, s5 atk, whats s6

[vapid river]

s6 is kinda nutty

240% increase

b/c at s6 you can just double e

to get 2 stacks

[neat robin]

So intro > skill > ult & 240%?

[vapid river]

or that yeah

well

no

b/c ult consumes

oh intro

then yeah

intro/skill/ult

for just free 240% dmg

for doing something you're already going to do anyway

honestly you don't even need to e

you can just heavy atk

[neat robin]

Back to an atk% 3cost ?

[vapid river]

honestly not sure

[neat robin]

I think i’ll be happy stopping at s3 tbh

[vapid river]

it does aero dmg that's considered heavy dmg

so it goes to 668.73?

or is it on the front?

[neat robin]

His ult big hit goes first I think right? Big hit then the x2 smaller

[vapid river]

damage mult

which should be the front?

cuz it's getting multiplied

maybe

[neat robin]

Imagine its on both

[vapid river]

that'd be stupid

well if it's on the first one it's 1,194.55%

if it's on the second it's 954.55%

[neat robin]

Apparently s6 is 36% stronger than s5 jiyan

Idk whos doing these calcs for accuracy but

Have to wait four more daysssss I just want a lumi

[vapid river]

from prydwen?

[neat robin]

I did 60 pulls for jiyan s2 and got no youhu so I’m hoping my luck is better this time

[neat robin]

No

Lemme see if they list people actually

[vapid river]

b/c prydwen says it's huge

~50%

[neat robin]

Yeah from s5 to s6 is about 35% more

s0 to s6 is 223%

[vapid river]

this is funny to me

b/c it has to increase dmg

to some extent

cuz you get an extra e

but if you follow that same rotation nothing changes

[neat robin]

I guess if you’re built to ult from 1 e adding an extra doesnt change yeah

But if you trade 1 er sub for more atk or heavy%. s1 >

[vapid river]

the rot on prydwen is literally echo to intro to ult

and then e in ult

then just spam

[neat robin]

My jiyan does not gain energy that fast

How much did they build him on for their calcs?

[vapid river]

not much at all

tbh

dogshit stats

[neat robin]

128% er

[vapid river]

hey mine is fine at 116

[neat robin]

Not s0 though

[vapid river]

128 is probably more than needed

tbf this was probably never actually done in game

and just calced in excel

[neat robin]

Carlotta vs a bigger enemy

I wonder what happens if its like
Mech
Or aix midair

[lilac hare]

Shorekeeper rerun so soon?

I guess that’s 2.1

[opaque flume]

Aero rover?

Damn

[quasi sable]

Guys have a question

How to build camellya?

[opaque flume]

basic attack, crit, and atk or smth

idk

[neat robin]

Aint no way they make zani spectro

Theres already double the spectro 5s as every other element

[uneven flame]

Spectro is the premium element

[neat robin]

I can see the irony of a spectro demon lady but

Pls no

Also who tf is cantarella

[burnt shoal]

is it like how dendro is the premium element of genshin

[quasi sable]

I mean like mainstats for her

[neat robin]

Strongest dps char and has both 5* healers rn

Element itself doesnt matter too much as long as you dont fight enemies resistant to your chars type

[uneven flame]

Dendro is more like the budget friendly element of genshin. Premium element in genshin is hydro

[vapid river]

Maybe a 4* that didn't get any drip marketing

[vapid river]

You want all your main dps to be 2100+ atk, 70cr/270cdmg, and whatever you need for er, sometimes it's 120 others it's none, my camy has 0er and works just fine

She also wants basic attack damage increase

She doesn't benefit much from res skill, liberation, or heavy

So pretty much what cat said, atk, crit, basic atk dmg

[lilac hare]

This is nice

[neat robin]

Nice but… tuners are the gated stuff

[small bronze]

i never ran out of tuners since launch idk how people do it before they run out of echo exp

[neat robin]

If you dont waste exp going to lv25 you dont run out

+10, uses 20 tuners, no crit? fed into next piece and only refunds 6

If you start looking for double crit and atk%/dmg type on each piece you run out quick

[quasi sable]

So for camel, cdmg or cr?

[neat robin]

Have skeeper?

[quasi sable]

Nope

I literally just played last week

[neat robin]

You should be able to get around 70 crit with cdmg main & 5* cr sword (sig or standard)
If you dont like that, use cr main

[quasi sable]

I actually hit 250% cdmg

But low cr

[neat robin]

Prob will be around 70/260 or 90/220 stat mark if every piece is double crit

[quasi sable]

They didn't gave me single cr subs

[vapid river]

[vapid river]

you mean for your 4cost? depends on weapon

typically you do the opposite of w/e your weapon gives. if wep gives cr your 4cost is cdmg

[quasi sable]

I have standard sword

[vapid river]

yeah what ninjy was saying

idk what standard is

[lilac hare]

We do have sus leaks that she’ll rerun in 2.1

[vapid river]

cr?

[neat robin]

Sig and standard are both 24 cr

[quasi sable]

Oh ye forgot

[vapid river]

then yeah you want cdmg 4 cost

[quasi sable]

But carlo tho

[winged belfry]

this is insane, as it in large part would solve Artifact XP issue

[lilac hare]

I did run out quick when I leveled them up to 20-25 before

don’t do much of that nowadays so I do have alot

[neat robin]

Yeah 20-25 is the expensive part but you dont need to do that unless its already a good echo from 1-20

[lilac hare]

It is a nice qol

[neat robin]

I have almost 200 gold exp tubes and maybe 80 tuners
And 4 gold xp ~ 20 tuners so. Runs out too fast

[quasi sable]

Guys

[lilac hare]

4.0 will level up echoes to +10

[quasi sable]

Should I pull Charlotte or SK?

[vapid river]

[neat robin]

Do you have 2 main dps yet

[vapid river]

i think i'm going to refuse giving account/pulling advice from now on

[lilac hare]

You have camellya and who?

[quasi sable]

Just Rover,chal and camel

[neat robin]

Yeah.. carlotta prob lol

[vapid river]

is chal carrot?

[lilac hare]

Yes I agree

[neat robin]

You can also prob save for 2.0 carla and 2.1 sk no problems

[lilac hare]

https://tenor.com/view/kakarot-calcharo-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gacha-gif-5234940152217902837

[neat robin]

If you have quests and explorations still left

[quasi sable]

I still have alot of quests

I mesn

I just finished 1.1 quest

[vapid river]

oof

[neat robin]

Theres 4* heal options, the 4* dps just arent as strong as limited 5*

[vapid river]

means you've got some asterites to collect

[lilac hare]

You’ll probably be able to get them both

[vapid river]

provided they win the 50s

[quasi sable]

I don't have confidence with my pulls

[neat robin]

Camy sk, carla verina would be a good start
Hrover & cal can be used on lower floors of tower

[vapid river]

yeah a solid rover/cal can be used to clear the first 3

[neat robin]

Ive won 1/8 of my 5050 you’ve got this

[quasi sable]

I have verina

[vapid river]

one per side

[quasi sable]

Is zhezhi good?

[neat robin]

Everyone else has luck

[vapid river]

i think i've lost 3 50s

[neat robin]

Zz is for hsi or carla subdps

Buffer? idk if youd call zz dps even decent

[quasi sable]

What does SK do?

[neat robin]

But she is getting the new coord set in 2.0

[vapid river]

sk heals and buffs

[quasi sable]

So limited Verina?

[neat robin]

Heal, cr cdmg buff, auto revive 1 char

[vapid river]

honestly i prefer verina

[neat robin]

And her IR cancel thing? You can dodge out of being tossed around

[vapid river]

isn't that just for airborne hits?

[neat robin]

Idk it just pops up when your char gets flung around

[quasi sable]

Hmmm

[neat robin]

I like sk more for jiyan and xy
Verina for hsi
Camy i’ll use either idc

[quasi sable]

I'm not sure about hsi

[neat robin]

Highest s0 dps
Other chars can still clear middle tower though

Assuming 2.x magistrate will also have higher s0 dps but who knows
Maybe they just liked hsi most

[quasi sable]

I like her character

But her being broadsword user just kinda ruin it

[vapid river]

i think they should have a "max" button for everything that has a slider like this

[quasi sable]

Are there info about who's gonna be in rerun first?

[vapid river]

there's a yinlin/xy rerun

i think it's next patch too?

at least i was under the impression that it was right after camy

ye only lost 3 50s

no early pity for anyone but jiyan though

i don't really count the double jinhsi pull

[quasi sable]

No I mean like

Is it sk or hsi first

[vapid river]

that i have no clue on

this was the first i heard about sk even getting a rerun

[quasi sable]

Xy rerun?

Isn't he like after this?

[vapid river]

ye

with yinlin

[small bronze]

lumi will be on both?

or just one

[quasi sable]

No I mean like

Isn't Xy rerun in this patch?

[vapid river]

not sure, but after their first banner you have a chance to pull any 4*

just normal odds

[small bronze]

it will be double banner after cam

yao and yinlin at same time

[quasi sable]

Oooh okay

Hmmm

Idk if I should pull yao

[lilac hare]

Skeeper rerun is a very sus speculation at best imo

We’re getting jinhsi’s skin so she’ll definitely be rerunning in 2.0

[neat robin]

How so? Blades like jiyan and hsi dont really feel like heavy weapons ngl

[lilac hare]

I see them as spears

Polearms in genshin

[vapid river]

most metaphors i've had i think

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

[opaque flume]

Starting cami quest rn

Holy shit why do they keep talking about seeds

[neat robin]

Camy is nuts

[opaque flume]

some of these npc models are insane

[neat robin]

Fr

[opaque flume]

honestly i like how cami and other characters can be hit during some animations

i feel like with genshin and zzz it just becomes like an iframe game

where you minmax i-frames to take 0 damage or just using some form of facetanking

[neat robin]

2.0 echo databank bosses

[knotty fiber]

What in the Lorelei is that

[neat robin]

..lorelei

I cant find which set

Theres an electro looking effect on her echo attack though

[knotty fiber]

she's havoc

[vapid river]

she loves planting/gardening and dancing

[lucid pebble]

Humanoid = booba.

[quasi sable]

@knotty fiber can you help me something

What talent should I focus on Tsubaki

[knotty fiber]

Forte skill ba lib intro

[quasi sable]

Kay got it

[quasi sable]

What team is her bis?

[knotty fiber]

SH SK

[quasi sable]

Sh and sk?

Shorekeeper and who?

[knotty fiber]

Sanhua

[quasi sable]

Ah sanhua

Is uh c5 good?

Also does she use er or glacio set?

[knotty fiber]

Pretty required for smooth rot

Er

Turtul

[quasi sable]

Turtle?

Aight

Now that

Should I pull carlo or sk

I like hsi but not sure if I'm able to pu more than 2 (cuz my quests still alot to finished and I just finished 1.1 main quest)

[winged belfry]

I'm also using Turtle on Sanhua

I don't consider it that much worse than Heron

And we are getting heron 2.0 soon

[neat robin]

Moonlit turtle sanhua
Rejuv fallacy sk

Or moonlit heron sanhua
Rejuv turtle verina

[south briar]

wise people

how the hell do i get to see changes on hakushin cause leaked kits are all blank

[small bronze]

anyone tried the last 3 stars with the monkey?

in toa

im struggling

[small bronze]

idk that last floor is crazy skill issue

[neat robin]

I used xy yinlin verina for whole middle tower

Wait no is this new tower?
I usually use jinhsi in middle when theres no spectro enemies

[winged belfry]

CN