・wuwa-lounge

[vapid river]

[neat robin]

Yinyao verina for fallacy & aix

[knotty fiber]

@quasi sable my problem with her sequences rn is that her first 2 only increases some diluted stat instead of multipliers like Tsubaki

[neat robin]

The aix was easier than fallacy

[vapid river]

see and my verina is perma teamed with jiyan

[knotty fiber]

her S3 is outro and heavy attack multi

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

which aren't as good as Tsubaki's S2

[neat robin]

Nah jiyan mort skeeper is so nice

[knotty fiber]

so I'm debating

[vapid river]

skeeper kinda with camy though

[neat robin]

I’m going s0r1 carlotta
Skipping roccia

[quasi sable]

I see

[vapid river]

idk, jiyan/mort/verina just feels braindead

it's nice

i don't have to think to play that team

[quasi sable]

Idk what are Tsubaki copies do

[neat robin]

I do camy sanhua verina

Also braindead

[quasi sable]

But I'll read them tmrw

[vapid river]

any team with verina is like that

[neat robin]

S1 idk, s2 huge nuke multi

Or s1 is the nuke multi, s2 is big atk buff

[quasi sable]

Is camellya excel in aoe?

[neat robin]

Something around you want s2-3, dont stop at s1

Yes

[quasi sable]

Cuz I assume best st dps is jinshi

[neat robin]

Jinhsi has some decent aoe tbh

[quasi sable]

But like jinhsi best st

[quasi sable]

So there has to be best aoe

[neat robin]

Camy can stay st with her white hair mode or aoe with red hair

[vapid river]

camy's sequences

[knotty fiber]

added cooldown and duration of some effects

[neat robin]

Ah I was remembering her s2 & 3 lol

[quasi sable]

How relevant atk stats in wuwa?

[neat robin]

Quite. Need both atk and dmg%

[knotty fiber]

bigger than dmg bonus

or at least equal to

still below crit dmg tho

[quasi sable]

Damn

[knotty fiber]

crit value is weirdly rare in the game

[quasi sable]

Are they like depends on chars dmg bonus?

[knotty fiber]

no they are not dependent

[neat robin]

Once you get sigs or sequences that guve big dmg% boosts you start wanting to build atk 3costs over dmg

[knotty fiber]

it's just the game gives a lot of dmg bonus and atk

but not crit value

[neat robin]

Jiyan s3

64 cv or some?

[quasi sable]

So atk matters more

Once you spent money on them?

[neat robin]

No it all depends

[knotty fiber]

depends

cuz for Tsubaki she has whopping 50% atk buff in S3

[quasi sable]

Ye I read that and ngl

That's ridiculous

[neat robin]

Hsi kit gains dmg%
Camy gets atk
Their supports matter too

Verina and s6 4*s are some of the few atk buffs

Outros are mostly all dmg% buffs

[quasi sable]

I thought it would like zzz

[lyric fjord]

The support sets both give atk iirc

[neat robin]

The 5pc effect & also heron vs bell though too

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-camellya-ult-resonance-liberation-gif-15653727509469891081

[quasi sable]

What's uh

[knotty fiber]

I'm having an issue with one part of Carlotta's kit rn

[quasi sable]

Best echo for camellya?

[knotty fiber]

her massive heavy attack

that has 22s CD

is a mini nuke

835% dmg lmfao

[lucid pebble]

I’m going to wait for a better translation before I dig.

[neat robin]

Crownless and 5pc havoc set technically

Dreamless 4cost works fine though

[lucid pebble]

Dreamless betterge for rotations.

[vapid river]

ain't no way

it's 835% dmg

that's fucked

just say "does a minimum 1 million dmg"

[neat robin]

Camy is like 1200%

[knotty fiber]

but the thing is it's not affected by skill dmg

[quasi sable]

But crownless for dmg?

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

[knotty fiber]

well it's not her main dmg

same as the sadist's ult

[lucid pebble]

Generally you do not want to be stuck in echo form with Cammy.

[vapid river]

oh this is the bottom half of her s6. fucking wall of text

[lucid pebble]

She eats up so much field time that it’s better to be spinning 2 winning than to watch crownless combo.

[quasi sable]

So better use an offield echo as her echo then?

[frozen summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_urrSgoYQHI

[vapid river]

you just go into echo and swap out

why are you attacking?

[knotty fiber]

I'm not sure how Carlotta's S6 compares to Tsubaki's S6

[vapid river]

[knotty fiber]

Tsubaki gives a lot

but Carlotta is already strong at base

[lucid pebble]

Doesn’t crownless get cancelled as soon as you swap out?

[vapid river]

it doesn't say anything about needing to hit to get the buffs

[frozen summit]

btw Phoebe is spectro dot??

[vapid river]

you just echo then shift out

cancel that shit immediately

[lucid pebble]

But dreamless cooler.

Has boobas.

[knotty fiber]

yeah Crownless is free buff

[vapid river]

okay but 12% more dmg is 12% more dmg

[knotty fiber]

you press and switch out

[lucid pebble]

Lissen, I ain’t farming crownless.

[quasi sable]

So crownless for Tsubaki then?

[knotty fiber]

it's just not worth the refarming

yes

[lucid pebble]

[knotty fiber]

but if you alr got good Dreamless

[vapid river]

if you have a dreamless that's good yeah

[knotty fiber]

no fucking way you wanna refarm

[vapid river]

but mine are like, almost the same

[quasi sable]

The thing is that

[vapid river]

all the stats that matter

[quasi sable]

You don't have to use echo

[rotund drum]

are they really adding a whale boss lmao

[quasi sable]

Right?

[knotty fiber]

you have to use

[rotund drum]

wuwa devs incapable of original thoughts

[knotty fiber]

but you can switch out mid cast for Crownless and still get the buff anyway

[vapid river]

^

[rotund drum]

inb4 it has a phase where it eats you and then you have to fight its core inside its stomach

[vapid river]

you can tap it and dodge instantly after

or swap

if you think you can get back around to her in less than 15s

[knotty fiber]

the little downside is your next character will most likely be on air so kinda scuffs there

[vapid river]

the time it takes to echo/dodge right before your ult/e is negligible no?

[quasi sable]

What's camellya team here?

[vapid river]

camy/sanhua/skeeper

is what i use

[quasi sable]

I don't have changli, zhezhi and shorekeeper

[vapid river]

then verina or baizhi

youhu

[quasi sable]

Camy sanhua baizhi?

I don't have youhou

[knotty fiber]

I don't use healer

[quasi sable]

I just logged in today

[knotty fiber]

they're trivial for me

[quasi sable]

After 3 patches of ditching

[vapid river]

verina buffs are nice

[knotty fiber]

for my tsubaki comp that is

[lucid pebble]

Me when I copy Pinocchio.

[rotund drum]

they're probably already working on the biker chick 5* who rides a flaming motorcycle

[lucid pebble]

You want a healer for Cammy because dodging is dps loss.

[quasi sable]

I suck dodging rn

[vapid river]

you have her s6, you should know you're uninterruptable

[vapid river]

^

[knotty fiber]

the

wtf is this

the coord set and its cost 4 bring huge coord dmg bonus lmao

What do you mean by 80% + 40% coord dmg

[lucid pebble]

She has a tiny HP pool.

Delicate flower needs protection.

[knotty fiber]

I was about to pull Zhezhi's sig

But the new set just makes it a trivial thing now

[opaque flume]

Do we have anims

?

[knotty fiber]

yes

did ppl post it here

[vapid river]

ik they were posting in tcl

but idk about here

[edgy cobalt]

oh if carlotta revolves around skill then

zhezhi pull is in consideration

[knotty fiber]

idk what I'm doing

polishing namings lmao

even thinking of doing translation for the sequences

[quasi sable]

Is carlo use ba or her skill?

[knotty fiber]

she uses

a lot

main dmg is still skill

but her HA and BA do lotta dmg

[quasi sable]

I see

What team for her?

[knotty fiber]

Zhezhi + Healer

[quasi sable]

Got it

What's alt option of zhezhi?

Since no info yet about her rerun

[knotty fiber]

she's most likely rerunning 2.0 with Jinshi

dual rerun

like Yinyao

[quasi sable]

And carlo also released on 2.0 right?

Is that right? @knotty fiber

[knotty fiber]

yes

[quasi sable]

Hmmm

This gonna be hard

Hope those 4 patches of quests will be enough for those two

[neat robin]

Gonna need these 4 weeks to save for carlotta lol

Carlo and hsi are gonna be fighting over zz too ig

[blissful tulip]

There's always Yuanwu and Verina

[knotty fiber]

hmm

Japanese localization is interesting

[knotty fiber]

I can't be happier to bench Hsi

She's so boring to play

[opaque flume]

Who is hsi bro

I can’t learn two sets of names

[neat robin]

Jinhsi
Hsi is her name before jue named her

[opaque flume]

Ok vro

Sorry I’m not a wuthering waves lore expert

[neat robin]

Honestly I’m prob benching hsi too
I love her animations but

Been using her every single tower since she released I’m bored

[opaque flume]

I like her gameplay

It’s fun

It actually requires like team gameplay

Instead of main dps brainrot

[neat robin]

Not any more team than my others

Verina zz hsi & repeat

Maybe without zz, but losing her outro buff for quickswap hsi sorta makes her pointless

[opaque flume]

I don’t have zz so my team is Baizhi yuanwu

I use verina on yao

In overworld I use verina yinlin on jinshi

Which is nice

[uneven flame]

Uncle Balls from genshin leaks has come over to Wuwa to save us from stepleaker

The ult has different guns then the stepleaker "showcase" so I assume forte or different buttons were pressed?

[knotty fiber]

No idea

But oh fuck I can't like step anymore

Bro doesn't even care about making a full showcase

The final deathstination impact is kinda underwhelming to me

[hollow gorge]

That looks quite a lot like Bianca, though Bianca is better

[uneven flame]

https://rxddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1h2zz0s/ww_20_carlotta_gameplay_against_enemies_by_mero/

Mero came over and showed most of her moves. Just missing intro and outro and how the forte bar fills up. Finally don't have to deal with Stepleaker's bullshit

[neat robin]

I love her

Looking very single target but thats fine

[hollow gorge]

Well, Stepleaker is honest at least. His name is Stepleaker, he leaks info in steps

[hollow gorge]

I very much hope she is a boss specialist

[neat robin]

Yeah thats what I’m thinking

Bosskiller

[hollow gorge]

She makes a lot of distance shortening moves, or moves that bring her outright into melee reach, so it looks like that is at least one thing they did to balance guns being op

Not a fan of that, but hey, if she is strong that's ok

[knotty fiber]

Yes

She has some dmg that's strictly ST too iirc

Also there's a problem with her HA Dead End rn

It's not considered skill dmg and it's unaffected by her new echo set

[lyric fjord]

oh geez the new 4 cost echos are meant to replace all prior ones except dreamless it seems

[hollow gorge]

Do we have her kit leaked? Does she do Reso DMG mainly?

[knotty fiber]

I did a translation for it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cr4-m-qyrq-O9Lg_nkJK2UFSR_8LXWSKTMQA_q689oo/edit?tab=t.0

[hollow gorge]

Wow, her Sig looks very juicy

[uneven flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210747702745370694/1312217967710306355/VID_20241130_004458_803.mp4?ex=674bb1b7&is=674a6037&hm=1b270871285432de5c2232eebf935e20efcd701b2b38456bfc663279a6dbb0f9&

[hollow gorge]

Not only CDmg is better than CR, but also it's a very good stat stick, having higher main stat bonus

And the passive is not single character specific

So seems like a good gun for many characters

[neat robin]

Camy sanhua is good enough you can easily skip roccia too if you dont have the pulls
Go all for s0r1 carlotta

[hollow gorge]

I am surprised Carlos passives are CDMG too. Gurl, where are you going to get CR from

Sequences?

Hopefully... Not

[neat robin]

Nowhere apparently

[lyric fjord]

well damn that's a high quality skin

[lyric fjord]

hakushin says it's crit rate, who is right?

[hollow gorge]

Oh no, IT REALLY is Peach Jue Dude no way they painted him pink

[knotty fiber]

I heard her sig is very good for Chixia

nuker Chixia

[knotty fiber]

they be telling you to pull S2

[neat robin]

So 22 cr 4cost and 37-50 cr from subs

I hate building chars without cr stat passives

[hollow gorge]

50 cr from subs? What are you smoking my friend

[neat robin]

If lucky yes

10.5 max cr rolls. Get lucky

[knotty fiber]

I'd say 12.5% from SK

lol

[neat robin]

Cant even prefarm for her

Sorta annoying tbh

[lyric fjord]

sorry for the ping, in your document you listed crit dmg ascension passives, but hakushin says otherwise, how can we check what's right?

[hollow gorge]

Well... It's kinda bad design if she is stuck with a single character ngl

[neat robin]

I wanna say 70 cr is doable

[knotty fiber]

it might be the CN issue

I looked at CN and it said cdmg

but JP says crate yes

the numerical value also says crate

[lilac hare]

Very pretty

[neat robin]

Most* of the chars have cr weapon cdmg passive, cdmg weapon cr passive

[knotty fiber]

lemme fix that

[neat robin]

If its 1.6 and 2.4 or whatever its cr passives

[knotty fiber]

it's 1.8+4.2 for atk and 1.2+2.8 for crate

[lyric fjord]

ty ! we're safe then, running 60% crit rate and missing the big hits feels so bad

[knotty fiber]

I didn't pay much attention to it sorry

I had to revise my translation a lot too cuz wasn't very happy about some terms

[lyric fjord]

without your document i'd have no idea what her skill does, ty a lot

[quasi sable]

Hsi?

Why I read it Ksi lol

[knotty fiber]

okay yeah it was me

apparently they only use "critical" for "critical rate" in CN

they don't have the "rate" word

so I messed it up

[hollow gorge]

Damn, with S3 her Outro has ulti multiplier of 1550% that's basically HMC ult

[quasi sable]

Is jinhsi still good?

[lyric fjord]

it's not considered as skill dmg though so it won't hit that hard

[knotty fiber]

yeah her outro got massive

but her forte not really

her forte rn is kinda underwhelming despite its big multi

unless they're reworking it

[quasi sable]

Is there gonna be skin?

[knotty fiber]

yes

Hsi skin

whopping $40

less if you still have x2

[quasi sable]

X2?

[knotty fiber]

double topup reward

[quasi sable]

Ah I see

Is that for first time?

[knotty fiber]

Yeah

[quasi sable]

Well

I haven't spent any dime yet on this

[hollow gorge]

Why it is Final Deathstination? Does the original has Death character there?

I just have a theory, that Calcharo and Carlotta might be related. And if so, Calcharo is from Rinascita, which explains his absence in the story so far

Since Calcharo's Ult is called Death Messenger

[knotty fiber]

I tried to come up with names

The original is 致死以终

Death is your End or some sort

So I wanna make it short but still maintains the whole meaning

Hence Deathstination

And I didn't want the name to clash with forte HA either which is Dead End

So there

[neat robin]

I’m pretty sure calcharo is new fed like mort

[neat robin]

Yeah ok I’m not imagining things
Calcharo is from the lawless zone in new federation

[uneven flame]

https://rxddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1h31392/roccia_gameplay_against_enemies_by_mero/

[hollow gorge]

Hmm. Ok That makes it less possible, but not impossible.

[hollow gorge]

I ll admit, it seems roccia has Canada boy illness, namely, she gathers enemies only to disperse them with a plunge

[neat robin]

Canada boy?

[hollow gorge]

Kazuha

[neat robin]

Ah lol

[knotty fiber]

hmm

when I think more about it

her S3 isn't that strong either

feels like her whole sequence chain is kinda mid

She has better S1 than everyone else but S2 and S3 are debatable

[hollow gorge]

Roccia?

[knotty fiber]

no

Clt

[hollow gorge]

Seems ok to me. S3 isn't strong, just more nuke, which is good for a nuker

[knotty fiber]

not really

both of the things got buffed are not affected by a good amount of her dmg bonus

which is skill dmg

outro isn't affected by Zz amp

and half of Zz amp doesn't affect the heavy atk

it's currently not considered skill dmg

[hollow gorge]

Sure, but Glacio bonuses are there, they are enough

[knotty fiber]

so it's kinda mid

they are there but not necessarily good for her

also not that much either

[neat robin]

zz only buffing carl glacio dmg is the same annoyance as zz only buffing hsi skill dmg

[knotty fiber]

because her kit does not allow forte to take advantage of the new echo set

[hollow gorge]

Without Reso bonuses it would be like 20% less damage, not a big deal

[neat robin]

I hope carlotta gets more talents considered skill dmg

[knotty fiber]

no, it's way less dmg

the only dmg bonus that the forte gets is the 60% glacio dmg from cost 3 and 12% glacio dmg from cost 4

💀

unaffected by weap

unaffected by 5pcs set effect

[hollow gorge]

Plus ZZ bonus, and map bonus, it's good enough

[knotty fiber]

not good in my book

80% multi up on something that's not even your main dmg, and doesn't even take advantage of a lot of your buff

I don't call that a good resonance chain

[hollow gorge]

Well, it's not good to go for, but it's good to have on a way to s6

[knotty fiber]

every chain past S1 feels kinda eh to me

especially after the red head bitch

she sets the bar a bit too high

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, but Camy is outstanding in that regard. Her sequences have op multipliers

[knotty fiber]

but like you know what?

my biggest issue

S4: 25% basic attack dmg bonus
S5: 10% atk increase

like holy shit they're kidding me

for real

those look like a joke

[hollow gorge]

I still think it's good because for a nuker the more nukes you have, the better. Especially for a boss specialist

[knotty fiber]

it's eh

it's like in the middle

especially when it's considered her gamechanger chain

her S2 is okay

[hollow gorge]

That's for ZZ. ZZ damage is no joke either, especially I would love to see that with a new set

[knotty fiber]

not too bad

cuz that 50% cv which is rare in this game

[knotty fiber]

why would you prioritize a support's dmg rather than a dps urghghh

also

I need to mention this, again

[hollow gorge]

But what I dislike is that they kinda crystalize her team into ZZ SK Carl

[knotty fiber]

new coord set gives 120% dmg bonus for coord

no point of giving her more

it's too diluted already

see?

S4 and S5 are just nonsense

most likely pending for buff rn

[hollow gorge]

It's kinda bad. It's against debuffed enemies. Debuff lasts only 4 sec, which means very few attacks get CR CD bonus

[knotty fiber]

if you read the kit

there's more than one way for her to inflict the debuff

[neat robin]

Any info on the 4cost for coord set?
Is it gonna be better than moonlit + heron buffs?

[knotty fiber]

yes

screw that

[hollow gorge]

Which are besides Ult?

[knotty fiber]

100% uptime buff + massive coord dmg boost

[neat robin]

So sanhua is definitely getting zz’s moon set lol
I dont wanna refarm

[knotty fiber]

ult first hit, death omen, resonance skill #2

[neat robin]

Shes like 70/260 moonlit or something

[knotty fiber]

and intro skill

[neat robin]

I need to refarm for yinlin zz mort
New set for carlotta
New 4costs?

[hollow gorge]

Damn, those are pretty strict too. Like they all are once per rotation, so you need to spread them out through rotation for debuff coverage. Her rotations will be very strict

[knotty fiber]

not really

she's basically a burster like red head bitch

so it's mostly the ult time that matters

which covers the debuff uptime

she can stack pneuma during downtime

and on her intro, cast forte

then ult

[hollow gorge]

Ahh, I thought Def debuff works for ZZ too

[knotty fiber]

nope, it's pen effect

not reduction

[hollow gorge]

A bit disappointed, but that would be kinda op

[knotty fiber]

she's about the only character in the entire game to have def pen in base kit

also if I didn't mention it, her entire ult time does 3800% dmg

[hollow gorge]

Well, anyway, s2 won't have 100% of uptime for all the damage. Maybe like 85-90% coverage of her damage profile

[knotty fiber]

hope that explains why I said S3 wasn't that good

[knotty fiber]

pretty sure it's over 90%

4 seconds is actually long in the quickswapping rotation

[hollow gorge]

Not quite. I still think 1550% Outro is nothing to scoff at

[knotty fiber]

technically only 770% got buffed

for context, again, red head bitch has the same thing

and it's kinda trivial

cuz of the lack of buff that specific attacks can get

[hollow gorge]

The thing is, I doubt you stay on ZZ more than necessary. And you need like 8s on her to do everything (less on 2nd rot and further). So for 25s rotation, given you stay 6s on SK, 8s on ZZ you still have 11s on Carl

[knotty fiber]

it's not like you don't swap to clt when you stack them up

you only go from zz outro to clt during the very last seconds of the rotation

the rest is just clt stalling

she doesn't deal much dmg during that time

even though the numbers look kind of big

[hollow gorge]

If you stay on her, you do dodge counters. That's decent damage

[knotty fiber]

again, like I said, lack of buff

it does dmg yes
enough to consider not having def pen "big"? nope

compare to what her dmg is in the actual rotation, it's barely anything

[hollow gorge]

Well, not having def pen+cr CD buff from s2. We talked about s2 coverage initially

[knotty fiber]

okay and that still wouldn't matter anyway

[hollow gorge]

Well, it kinda reduces s2 value imo

[knotty fiber]

it doesn't

S2 value is alr kind short as is

[hollow gorge]

Well, I'll wait for tcers to do the work xD. But so far her copies don't look very attractive

[knotty fiber]

they don't

the best one is S1

S6 doesn't seem very good to me either

lemme do the calc

I won't elaborate on the freezing effect since idk what it's gonna do in future combat

only the dmg

[hollow gorge]

S1 seems to be like 10% personal damage increase. Which is not much

It's very not much tbh

[knotty fiber]

S6 is 1.4 dmg multiplier overall for ult

can't say it's impressive but not exactly weak either providing her base kit is alr kinda strong

I'm more worried about the previous chains

[hollow gorge]

Ehh, I'm fine tbh. S0 Carlotta means I have more rolls for Zani and Phoebe

[knotty fiber]

her S4 just pisses me off so much

[hollow gorge]

And if she gets powercrept, it's whatever, at least her Sig seems to have better usage than most other sigs

[knotty fiber]

because every other units have S4 beneficial to the dps

[hollow gorge]

Like you powercreep Jiyan, and both him and his wep become trash

[knotty fiber]

not like I'm pulling her chains that high anyway, if at all

but looking at it just makes me sad

[hollow gorge]

I am happy they don't tempt me with her sequences. Tbh, she might not be very versatile, I would rather get sequences of more versatile characters like SK

[uneven flame]

Those sequences are 100% getting buffed

We are so early in beta I'm just going to ignore most of these numbers for now

[knotty fiber]

they have to

I remember red head's S6 was also pretty meh early on

[hollow gorge]

I think they might not risk it for boss specialist gun character. If she is too strong, bosses will become a joke. So they will need to buff future bosses, and other characters be like: "Wth?"

[knotty fiber]

I don't think buffing sequences relate to that matter

you can just look at the red head

her S2 too strong

bosses have become a joke now

[hollow gorge]

It does. F2Ps already have access to s1-s2 in their menu, it will be s2-s4 range in a year's time

[knotty fiber]

again, the outlier already existed

[uneven flame]

If a game is actually balancing around S2 its doomed from the start

[knotty fiber]

yes

exactly the point

imagine they're balancing around Tsubaki S2

holy fuck all of them are gonna die

[hollow gorge]

Camy has issues. She is Wuwas Hu Tao, who trivialized all the bosses, if any player skill is involved

[knotty fiber]

I kinda don't think you can bring that argument up

S2 more or less trivialize the need of skill

[hollow gorge]

It is. They sell first two sequences in the store. That basically implies they will have to balance around s2-s3

[uneven flame]

Trivializing the boss would be Neuv just face tanking everything.

[uneven flame]

I mean balancing the actual content like ToA, overdrive, and any endgame mode

[hollow gorge]

Yes, it doesn't change my point

[uneven flame]

If you need S2 to complete the hardest difficulty even if it's optional it's joever.

[knotty fiber]

I can only tell you're just wrong

How is a game balancing around S2 when lv80 S0 already claps everything in ToA

[hollow gorge]

It's their headache, not mine. They marketed the game as oriented towards skillful bossfight play. If bosses are a joke, that means they lose their main appeal. And s1-s2 in this game is magnitudes more accessible than in Genshin

[hollow gorge]

Well, they will need to figure out something. PGR playerbase who came to Wuwa from PGR is boss fight oriented. And a decent audience they took from Genshin, left GI because that game has 0 hardcore appeal. Casual players stayed mostly in Genshin

[uneven flame]

Wait where did my post go did I just accidentally delete it editing it

[hollow gorge]

Well, my answer is that depends on your character policy

If you don't go for every character, you will start getting s1-s2. Simply because buying copies from the store will be a better coral investment

[uneven flame]

Ugh forget it. Main point was if the option exists to get broken cons it doesn't really matter how accessible it is as skill just goes out the window either way.

And it comes down to being a metaslave/character simp or playing the game with the base kit so you can collect other characters.

[hollow gorge]

Broken cons are only as broken as enemies allow them to be. Current bosses were balanced around the likes of Yinlin and Jiyan

[edgy cobalt]

😹😹😹😹

this has to be bait

I almost chuckled

[lyric fjord]

seeing the difference between 4* weap and 5*, i'd rather say it's balanced around s0r1

[hollow gorge]

I look at it from 2-3 years perspective. The amount of coral by that time will be enough to get 5-6 copies, so 2-3 characters get to be s2, which means 2-3 teams will have s2 character

[knotty fiber]

just what

no like genuinely

[knotty fiber]

I'm convinced

[hollow gorge]

Any other arguments? Ppl already have enough coral to get 1-2 copies. Granted, we got a bunch of starter pulls, but also it is granted the pull income will increase

[knotty fiber]

Do you know about some unlucky people that have to spend their corals for pulls?

That's only one of the many I wanna say but no, waste of my time and my braincell

I genuinely am having a migraine trying to chow that down

[hollow gorge]

Sure, I don't need to prove the point. After all, ppl have different priorities in the game. I am just saying that being skillful was Wuwas main appeal for many ppl

[edgy cobalt]

if that’s just the bottom line then honestly just leave it at that

like I agree to that extent

[edgy cobalt]

I didn’t backread everything so, I can take some blame cuz I just saw this and assumed its a hasty generalization moment

[knotty fiber]

the initial argument was Carlotta's sequences being too underwhelming and needed buffs for pulling incentive

so you weren't wrong anyway

[hollow gorge]

It sort of was, because I didn't want to write walls of text about astrites income, r1 being more accessible etc.

[edgy cobalt]

most people's perspective including mine is that the sequences in the shop are catered towards whales/devoted savers

[knotty fiber]

it is

even if you throw corals at someone's sequence now, what if the newer character's base kit being completely stronger than someone, say, Jiyan at S2

no reason for the game to balance around that new unit's S2

[hollow gorge]

Thing is, they are the best coral investment. Currently pulls are a better investment, because we are still building base teams. As soon as teams are established, copies will become a priority.

[knotty fiber]

no lol

the big incentive for this kind of game is you pull more characters

[edgy cobalt]

This is just a conflict between horizontal vs vertical progression

[knotty fiber]

they will adjust the lineup to make you pull the new characters

[hollow gorge]

More doesn't mean all. If you want all characters... Well, I have bad news. And if we don't go for all characters, then somewhere you stop and start vertical investment. Unless you determined to stay like s0r1, which is an option

[knotty fiber]

if a game wants you to pull all characters, it's doomed

one of the reasons why tof failed

[hollow gorge]

I mean, I just don't think that ppl who want to keep all characters s0r1 are a majority. Majority will go for copies, sooner or later. And if you go for copies, it is better to buy copies with coral

[knotty fiber]

Again, majority is debatable

What you are saying is basically telling unlucky people to fuck off

[hollow gorge]

Surely you don't think that there are many ppl who don't go for copies at all

[knotty fiber]

Also, chains exist to make the game easier, not to meet the game's requirement

[hollow gorge]

The game is oriented to incentivize going for copies

[knotty fiber]

and you're looking at it in a quite short-sighted vision

have you ever considered

new players

If the game is balanced around S2 just because old players could save up for a couple wavebands

and fuck up all the new players

I don't know what it's doing

[uneven flame]

Most people who play these games are after the characters not the bigger numbers. Weapons happen to be part of the character visually so they would also aim for that too when they can afford it.

[knotty fiber]

Which is why right now it's not even though ppl alr saved up enough for 1 or 2, like you said

and weapons are not even necessary either

even though the win rate is 100% yes

[uneven flame]

Using myself as an example if I didn't skip half the characters and weapons I wouldn't even be able to afford S0R1 with my luck and this is with welkin

[hollow gorge]

New players that come late always have to scale their expectations. Plus games have catch up systems. Those who come later have a lot of released content to get pulls from, and they can target newly released characters(which is Genshins model). So it's not a problem

[knotty fiber]

You were talking about 2-3 years time, that's hell lot of time-limited pulls to miss. Catch up system don't work in such a magical way. And if they are balancing around the new character's sequences ww

[knotty fiber]

neither would I

losing 50-50 is my friend

also pity every weapon

[uneven flame]

Same in Wuwa and ZZZ for me

[hollow gorge]

There isn't much difference between missed pulls or already invested pulls. Since old players have more characters than they need, so the value of their pulls is diminished with time (ofc not completely, just slightly). That's why catch up mechanisms are working

[knotty fiber]

Oh crap are you really missing the point

Less pulls = less corals

How are new players gonna have the amount of corals that will suffice the "balance around S2"

The more I talk the more I feel like my braincells are reaching negativity

[hollow gorge]

New players can target those directly, because they have bigger initial pulling capital(or they supposed to)

That's the point of catch up mechanism

[hollow gorge]

Anyway, my point was that major DPS buffs from sequences shouldn't be accessible as early as in Camys case, or the devs are going to have hard time balancing all of this.

From this perspective, current Carl early sequences are well designed

[small bronze]

for most people it wont matter anyway cause they explore have fun do story and do not care if they lose 80 astirites a tower each reset OR they they would require more cons

there is a reason only half of the hardest tower gives pulls

i mean asterites

and as a welkin enjoyer i only got changli c1 cause its early state of the game and we getting reruns left and right so more time for saving, but later on good luck to me

[vapid river]

he's still missing 11.2% cdmg and 8.4% atk from tree

i really wish getting 6.3 or 6.9cr wasn't as easy as it is though

[neat robin]

Honestly I think thats why I kept a cr mech on mine

[vapid river]

just glad i finally decided to invest in him a bit

tried playing cal a bit more

just doesn't feel worth it knowing xy does better

easier to use and does more dmg

though i can't put him on lingering tunes yet so he's just wearing the same echoes cal had

[neat robin]

Yeah my xy is living in 2/2 build forever

I wanted mech but cant find 5pc tunes

[cobalt cobalt]

Xiangli Yao is so strong idk why prydwen puts him with Jiyan in the tierlist

He feels quite a bit better when you play him

Not as a Jiyan slander just as a truth

[hollow gorge]

Jiyan is strong, it's harder to build Jiyan

[cobalt cobalt]

I’m not saying he’s bad I’m just saying xiangli yao seems better

[vapid river]

they're both pretty "easy" in terms of how you play them imo

i've had longer to farm echoes for my jiyan and he's good where he's at for now

my XY has 0 res lib bonus but decent stats all around(just missing some cdmg and atk% from tree)

i also have s4 jiyan

and only s1 xy

both with sig

[cobalt cobalt]

I have s1 Jiyan s0 Xiangli yao

[vapid river]

jiyan soft

jiyan hard

verina/mort too fucking good with him

[edgy cobalt]

I get the sentiment but no one comes close to jinhsi

[cobalt cobalt]

Camellya does

[vapid river]

^

[edgy cobalt]

aside from camellya apparently but to me she has a few caveats

[vapid river]

jinhsi is pretty easy to play as well

legit the only "hard to play" character is cal quick swap

it's a fucking nightmare

[edgy cobalt]

someone's paying these fools (to no one's surprise) to put changli in t0 also

[vapid river]

yeah idk how good she is or isn't, i don't have her

[cobalt cobalt]

Yeah I don’t understand why changli was so high

She’s alright but she isn’t like the jihnsi of sub dps

[edgy cobalt]

the placement is only valid if you're CN with the fast hands perk from call of duty

because changli hybrid teams can net you the fastest clear times in toa

remove that factor, and she's one if not the the worse limited 5*
especially if you have stringencore already

[knotty fiber]

She's good but I believe not T0 unless she's in Changhsi comp

[neat robin]

Ngl I’m not looking forward to refarming 4costs for most chars, if these rinasita echo leaks are real

I found a tt post of basically full carlotta roccia gameplay can I share links here?

[knotty fiber]

I don't see why not

[knotty fiber]

They are all real

It's gonna be pain in your ass

3 new overlords, 1 new calamity, a fk ton of new cost 1/3

And rainbow cost 4

[neat robin]

Carlotta looks so good in actual combat

[knotty fiber]

She's the first character I like EN voice much more than JP

Hakushin alr released the voicelines for all langs

And her EN slays

[burnt shoal]

are the new echoes powercreep?

just like how genshin emblem set powercreep lots of 1.0 sets as best set

[neat robin]

Ah I can just send the whole video nice

[lucid pebble]

Another onfield DPS?

[neat robin]

Jiyan still one of my fav char designs (with zani) but carlotta gameplay looks the best so far

Wdym another

They been doing 1 onfield 1 sdps/support each patch basically

Carlotta is the glacio dps that zz outro buff was really meant for looks like

[knotty fiber]

Yes

For some chars

maybe Brant will have a certain self-HP drain mechanic

cuz the new set seems to require the wearer's HP to decrease

and the new cost 4 coincidentally has fusion dmg boost

[lucid pebble]

Me when the actual phoenix char doesn't have HP drain.

https://tenor.com/view/changli-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-fire-gif-7116953145636999959

[lyric fjord]

with the new thundering mephis echo, xiangli yao's best set will be electro again, right?

[winged belfry]

Ehhh

Maybe, but I'm not sure

Big issues was that to get full uptime on Electro, you had to weave in some heavy attacks

New Memphis while faster to cast than old one, is still quite long animation wise

and we don't know if, and how much of that is cancellable

[lyric fjord]

no need to cast him at the beginning of the rotation though, since the buffs will be always up, we can just use it at the end.
Like Thundering mephis > healer rotation > buffer rotation > XY rotation, ending with another mephis while swapping out

[winged belfry]

That's why I refer to how cancelable things are. Dreamless is almost instantly cancelable, while the Crownless requires lengthy field time. We doing know how new Memphis is going to behave in that sense.

[lyric fjord]

since they are all described as doing a single hit, i assumed it would be the same as dreamless mb

[neat robin]

Well dreamless is multihit but it exists off field

And doesnt buff you

[knotty fiber]

crownless doesn't require field time if you only want the buff

[neat robin]

As long as you get the buff off ‘echo use’ rather than ‘on attack’ its fine just use & cancel

[knotty fiber]

and with the rainbow echoes, you don't need to cast the echo skill for buff

it's permanent buff

acquired upon wearing the echo, with 1 condition

the character has to be placed 1st

[neat robin]

I like mech though dont wanna use void set xy
He doesnt use any heavy attacks to start with

[opaque flume]

What’s the rainbow echos

[knotty fiber]

for all the new cost 4s in 2.0, they have a dmg bonus buff that's permanently active as long as the character is placed as #1 in the team

[knotty fiber]

revamped cost 4 from 1.0

[opaque flume]

What

[lyric fjord]

damn that's tough, didn't see that point in the reddit post

[knotty fiber]

I forgor to translate that part in my translation lmaoi

[opaque flume]

Oh crazy

[knotty fiber]

which means your dps has to be placed 1st

okay now speaking of that

the coord cost 4 is kinda fucked

cuz it also requires the wearer to be #1

[lyric fjord]

well it means you have to use another echo for your main carry

[opaque flume]

Wdym

Isn’t the point is that you choose the best echo for ur overall team

[lyric fjord]

for zhezhi-carlotta it's annoying but mortefi-jiyan will be fine with jiyan using the old ape

unless you mean the coord one and carlotta's echoes don't have that condition

[knotty fiber]

okay for Klt it's fine cuz her cost 4 doesn't require being 1st

[lyric fjord]

oh ok

[knotty fiber]

basically can't have 2 gen 2 cost 4s active in the same team

so you have to sacrifice either dps or sdps buff

[opaque flume]

Ya

That’s not a crazy problem tho

In my op

[knotty fiber]

if the sdps is coord user then the dps needs to use the old gen

[opaque flume]

You just choose the best one

[knotty fiber]

it really isn't

[opaque flume]

For the situation

[knotty fiber]

there's a solution to it

well coord still takes the priority

if your sdps deals big dmg that is

cuz it's massive buff

40% coord dmg bonus is no joke

[lyric fjord]

so just to confirm, somehow this echo is not what you consider gen 2 ?

[knotty fiber]

it's a kind of gen 2 but doesn't require being 1st which is weird

[lyric fjord]

since they function the exact same way it's weird indeed, perhaps they forgot to mention it?

[knotty fiber]

no idea

[neat robin]

I hate it but

Also once you start swapping in battle your chars ends up all over the place in slots so

I guess it doesnt really matter

[lyric fjord]

what

is that a mobile issue i'm too PC to know about?

[knotty fiber]

it's a mobile thing

it doesn't have full slots

because there isn't enough space

but you still see it in your team setup

[neat robin]

Yeah instead of your chars staying in the same order as you put them in team, they just swap places with whoever you change to

[hollow gorge]

Huh, interesting choice. But it seems like Heron echo doesn't receive the buff, since you always want to prioritize Main DPS not support?

[knotty fiber]

They technically don't

The order in your team is still the same, it's the mobile display that changes

[lyric fjord]

oh i see, that doesn't sound fun, kind of why i dislike the switching in ZZZ i guess

[hollow gorge]

Eh, it's okay, if you don't do quickswap. Quickswap is basically gimped because of that system on mobile

Good thing I never farmed 4 costs except Dreamless. Kinda expected that 4 costs will be powercreeped, it was their only way to keep old sets relevant

[hollow gorge]

Lmao, some rainbow echoes now belong to new sets

[vapid river]

Tbf glacio doesn't have one

Lingyang hardly counts as anything

[winged belfry]

All of new echoes look to be fully quickswapable

[neat robin]

3d models

[vapid river]

where zani face 😭

[neat robin]

Idk 😭

They too scared to show her ig

I’m hoping elf girl isnt a second spectro magistrate

[winged belfry]

Am I the only one that feels like Pheobe and that elf lady look almost the same?

[neat robin]

Same colours yeah, makes me think phoebe works closely with elf

Or its like their organization uniform colour type thing

[hollow gorge]

Elf is supposed to be aero main DPS

[neat robin]

Elf is the aero? I heard it was phoebe originally

Makes sense if phoebe is spectro now

[hollow gorge]

I think it's opposite. Someone probably mistook them one for another

[neat robin]

Idk yeah I’m assuming with same colour palette it got mixed up in leaks

Carlotta + sig, brant, zani, elf… I need more pulls

[hollow gorge]

Aero magistrate makes more sense, because there were leaks of Aero MC. But who knows

[vapid river]

i only need jiyan for aero

ez skip

[knotty fiber]

Phake leak

[vapid river]

bless

[hollow gorge]

Welp, expected

I'll be honest, that elf is the first character ever in any gacha to kinda induce low-key hate from me. I don't know what this magistrate is doing looking like a cheap elf cosplay hooker

[neat robin]

I wish she wasnt magistrate tbh yeah but

I do like her

Is there a prefarm list for carlotta?

I’m prob gonna fully 10/10 all her talents (limited by new boss drops ofc)

Is this one better on roccia/sanhua for camy support than moonlit+bell?
Or thats depending on the 4cost buff

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, it depends a lot on 4 cost buff. Doesn't look good compared to moonlit so far

Like moonlit is universal, this is strictly havoc. Surely this set should be better

[neat robin]

Also would need to check but moonlit + heron is 12 dmg 20 atk
Depends on this 4cost too

[vapid river]

mort just making jiyan even better

[hollow gorge]

This 4 cost gives 40% coord damage more

120% coord damage total, Youwho is in shambles

@neat robin so how good is s2 Camy? Compared to Jiyan, Jihnsi, XLY?

[vapid river]

jiyan s2 is 28% atk after intro skill

[neat robin]

Jiyan s0->s2 felt a lot more noticable but hes also weaker s0
Camy copies are just super strong in general

[vapid river]

jiyan's s1 is hardly a dps gain if it's just s1

[neat robin]

I still only have s0 xy so no idea what hes like with copies

[vapid river]

but ramps at s3

xy's s1 is kinda weird

res skill launches 6 missiles doing res lib dmg equal to 8% of the skill's multiplier

s2 is 30% crit dmg on res skill or res lib use

so xy's s1 can be really good if you have talents leveled or just kinda okay

[neat robin]

If everyone is s0 jinhsi is still highest dps

[vapid river]

yeah i'd agree with that

jinhsi's s2 just helps maintain incandescence

[neat robin]

Afaik jiyan s3 is about same dps as camy s2, and she just gets stronger & stronger after that

[vapid river]

jinhsi's s1 can get her an 80% res skill dmg bonus

basic attacks gain stacks(up to 4) which are used to give 20% per 1 when res skill is used

yeah camy goes crazy with every sequence

her s6 is so dumb

Forte Circuit Perennial: Within 15s after casting Ephemeral, if Concerto Energy is full and Perennial is not on cooldown, Resonance Skill is replaced with Perennial.

Casting Perennial consumes 50 Concerto Energy and recovers 50 Crimson Pistils, dealing Havoc DMG equal to 100% of Ephemeral DMG, considered Basic Attack DMG. This skill can be cast once every 25s.

Camellya enters Budding Mode after casting Perennial and removes all Crimson Buds. The bonus DMG Multiplier granted by Forte Circuit's Sweet Dream is increased to 250%.

Immune to interruptions when casting Perennial. ```

and her s5

303% dmg increase on outro. 68% increase on intro

[opaque flume]

I got the red sword

[vapid river]

nice

[opaque flume]

Free pulls

It’s been a long time

7 pulls per update doesn’t add up fast

lol

[neat robin]

I think I’m only at like. 50 pulls?
Still a month til 2.0 though and should be a good chunk of astrites from new region

[vapid river]

i really don't want to pull for lotta

[neat robin]

Then dont

You can brute force towers as long as the boss isnt resistant to your element

[vapid river]

ye i'm not worried about tower

it's just the lack of proper glacio dps

in general

cuz tower isn't going to be the only end game content surely

[neat robin]

I’m just in love with how her gameplay looks
Ive been avoiding aalto cuz half his kit is more support

[vapid river]

aalto gameplay fun though

[neat robin]

Jiyan better aero

[vapid river]

well ofc

[neat robin]

Carla jumping and dashing around feeds my brain

Much more than camy hold to spin

[vapid river]

that's fair

hold to spin got old after the first woer

but i won't deny she's much better to play than hmc

[neat robin]

100%

Carla looks like she’ll take my fav gameplay away from xy

[vapid river]

and roccia i don't plan on pulling for

zz is first right? then jinhsi?

[neat robin]

Carla zz / roccia hsi afaik

[vapid river]

now do i get cons for hsi

or wait for zani

[neat robin]

If you like her ig but s0 hsi is s1-2 dps of most other 5*s lol

[vapid river]

i have her s1r1

[neat robin]

I’m benching hsi unless I need her for tower

[vapid river]

but unless i plan on going for s6 there's no real reason to invest more in her

[neat robin]

Nah

[vapid river]

at least from my pov

[neat robin]

Shes strong she doesnt need any extra

[vapid river]

ye i'll just save for zani

b/c i'm not feeling the elf girl

[neat robin]

Zz prob better than hsi s2

[vapid river]

i have zz >.>

or you mean cons?

[neat robin]

Oh no just zz lol
Cant remember who in here skipped or pulled her

[vapid river]

the only limited 5* i don't have is changli

[neat robin]

Same tho

[vapid river]

and i usually like to get all of them

but like

roccia just helps a camy that doesn't need it

and lotta is a glacio dps that i don't want to build

idk what the elf or pheobe will do but i dislike the elf design

[neat robin]

Same, skipping roccia, camy sanhua is already great

[vapid river]

and unless pheobe gameplay is nice i have no reason to pull either

zani cuz waifu

her kit could be dogshit

still gonna pull

just means i only pull one instead of multiple

[neat robin]

I’m like the only elf fan in here

[hollow gorge]

Elf design is good (Yinlin I consider best designed char so far). This magistrate is just straight from hen tai though

[vapid river]

yeah i'm calling her elf

cuz i cba learning her name

she has a cute face

but her outfit is not it

even the 3d model where her clothes aren't sticking out to the sides

just not into it

[neat robin]

😔 I like her

[vapid river]

and that's okay i won't hate on you for it

she has a pretty face

just needs better wardrobe

[neat robin]

I hope those are black shorts under the white layer honestly
But idc I like the elf & thorn design they added

[hollow gorge]

I am calling her Viccy, because she is a walking Victoria s Secret mannequin

[neat robin]

Yk idc elf slander as long as its not changli simps saying it

[vapid river]

it kinda looks like she has the same short black shorts yinlin has on?

[neat robin]

Yea its what I’m hoping. Then the white & blue skirt stuff overtop

[hollow gorge]

I am kinda HMC and Yapyap simp would have been, if she wasn't MC simp herself

I don't really simp anyone

[neat robin]

Carlotta XY gameplay >
Jiyan Zani looks >

[hollow gorge]

I reserve judgement for Viccy until she appears in-game. Camy turned out to be more or less ok, except the playable one

[opaque flume]

The cryo gun woman looks so cool

To play

[neat robin]

The video I semt has been the best actual gameplay that ive seen so far

[lyric fjord]

there's something i don't understand with carlotta's kit, her sig and echo set both buff her for 5s after using liberation, which would suggest ulting straight after you swap to her, however her intro gives her 30 essence which would disappear if she ults without using it

[neat robin]

Not against 1 stationary target

Uh? No
Ult first then get a skill dmg bonus

[lyric fjord]

then you waste the 30 essence you got from intro

if you ult at the beginning of the rotation

[neat robin]

You do some stuff, ult, and get the dmg bonus

[lyric fjord]

so the stuff before the ult is not getting the massive buffs

[neat robin]

Its only 6s buff so you split her fieldtime beforehand, then ult, and get buffed for the second half

You arent being buffed for the entire time regardless of which way

[lyric fjord]

feels weird, because the enhanced heavy attack (essence consumption + every 22s buff) is a large part of her dmg

[neat robin]

Yeah thats the thing that doesnt fit in cuz she wants skill% buffs and her heavy just doesnt get buffs

Unless they change it so its considered skill dmg

[lyric fjord]

oh yeah true, i forgot that her heavy was not skill dmg

[blissful tulip]

Agreed, she looks very fun

[knotty fiber]

oh

my god

I still can't get over this

why can't she get this ingame

[knotty fiber]

you need to forte first

forte has to be used before ult

cuz it's cleared when she goes in and goes out ult

during her ult, all the buffs and debuff are 100% uptime

so no need to worry

basically the issue that I addressed before: her heavy attacks can't gain buffs from weap and echo set

it misses out A LOT of dmg bonus sources

similar to red head bitch's ult

[lyric fjord]

that's so mean to encore

[neat robin]

I need the frover suit from this poster as a skin in game

I hate they made her so . skimpy. compared to mrover

Dont 💀 me you know its true

F rover out here with a boob window and shorts & m rover got a jacket & long pants

[knotty fiber]

you know that happens to female™️

[neat robin]

Fair treatment make the male char just as skimpy

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, this is much better

[winged belfry]

After Liberation or Intro

[knotty fiber]

I must be colorblind if I call Encore a red head

[knotty fiber]

That's her sig

Echo is only Lib

[lyric fjord]

oh true didn't see that sig worked after intro too

[winged belfry]

oh, right

IMHO, they'll probably rework it work on both

as it's also a personal set at this point

[knotty fiber]

I think Chixia can use both

As a burster

Ofc she can't use the echo's glacio dmg boost but there's that

[lyric fjord]

the fire set and the new rider are great for her anyway

[neat robin]

Its annoying even thinking about refarming my 4costs

Crit main and double crit subs on like. 8 chars?? Ew

I mean I guess it’ll be fine as long as tower difficulty stays as is, so we can still clear
And the new echos are just to make life easier,…

[winged belfry]

Honestly, I'm going to take it slow

I'll focus on farming for Carlotta

Rest will come passively anyway

Besides

Zhezhi needs new set

Jinhsi and Camellya are staying on old one

Yinlin is probably getting new set

Same as Zhezhi

I've just ended up gearing up Xiangli Yao

So I'm not doing that again

My Changli is a mess

Besides, after I have Carlotta ready, I'll have 3 team online

So that's enough for me

I'll probably need to get Yuanwu up to replace Zhezhi

Or I could just use Yinlin

[neat robin]

Every sdps already works fine with their moonlit sets
I’m farming carlotta first, hopefully zz at the same time depending on new tacet fields. Sanhua can take the glacio moon stuff
I need to see what the 4cost for coord does, all we know rn is the 20% atk buff

[winged belfry]

Oh right

[neat robin]

Yinlin on new coord set for xy or jinhsi, cuz zz pairs with carla if you use her

[winged belfry]

We can prefarm weapon/talent mats?

I'll do that in last week or so

[neat robin]

Moonlit with basic heron is 12% dmg & 22.5% atk to next char
Unknown nightmare heron buff

Coord set is 20% atk to all. Unknown 4cost

[winged belfry]

Right now I think I have like 30k credits

[neat robin]

Cant farm her ascension or talent lv7+ boss drops

[winged belfry]

Yeah, that's going to be a pain in the ass

Enemy materials?

[neat robin]

She uses the phlohiston drops like normal

[winged belfry]

Like whispering?

I feel like that's going to be biggest issue

[lucid pebble]

Is 2.0 Carlotta & Zani in that order?

[neat robin]

Carlotta 1st, roccia 2nd
Zani is most likely 2.2

Brant phoebe 2.1

If you’re pulling sig its another 6/8/6/20 of the phlohiston mats

I forget how much credits it takes for a weapon 1-90

1.4m ish apparently

31/36/61/87 phlohiston total (talents+sig)
approx. 3.6m credits total (char+sig)

Gotta wait for new area for her enemy drops and weekly boss

[lucid pebble]

Carlotta patch then.

Which one is the Jinhsi of Rinawhatsit?

[neat robin]

The elf

[knotty fiber]

Aero

[lucid pebble]

[opaque flume]

That looks like a lot of farming man

[hollow gorge]

Nightmare heron is for different set it seems

[neat robin]

Carlotta can parry yesss

[uneven flame]

https://youtu.be/VLyuAyuQZd8

Shotgun parry

[neat robin]

I’m guessing its just her and not being added to the 4*s right

[uneven flame]

So peak

[uneven flame]

Well Kuro did update old units in PGR to have new abilities so maybe we can cope in the future.

[quasi sable]

They did?

Idk that

[uneven flame]

Idk exactly what they did. All I remember was something called LEAP was done to the older characters it might of just been stats though.

[vapid river]

yeah, i'm not going to rush into farming new sets. as long as tower doesn't get impossible to beat w/o them. everyone i have built does what they need to do just fine

[vapid river]

yeah let's hope they do something about lingyang

he's s3 sitting at level 40 with no hope for advancement on my account

[dawn willow]

From another vid I saw, it's her "sword form" that's parrying
Her "gun form" can only dodge like others I think cmiiw