・wuwa-lounge

[vapid river]

how does one get this? no fucking clue

it's the only one i have

[knotty fiber]

may I tell you they don't use that shit?

[vapid river]

probably pulls?

[knotty fiber]

also I have 6 overtures for whatever reason

[vapid river]

you don't use your resonance skill on sanhua?

[knotty fiber]

did you even watch the video

I can in good faith say you didn't

[vapid river]

what video?

all i read was "sanhua concerto issues"

[knotty fiber]

[edgy cobalt]

backread moment

[vapid river]

and saw the weapon that gives extra

[knotty fiber]

when you didn't read the whole convo moment

[edgy cobalt]

5 times in a row I missed my crits

[vapid river]

painge

[lucid pebble]

No, s0 Youhu.

[knotty fiber]

that rotation has so much calculation involved

cuz I need to get Tsubaki the dodges for concerto too wtf

[vapid river]

i think sub 1 minute monkey is good enough

[edgy cobalt]

I just improv'd the whole yumirots and got my 55s clear

[knotty fiber]

okay down to 45s

[edgy cobalt]

ggwp

[knotty fiber]

my weak hands can't do 40

but damn

really big brain rotation

I like

[edgy cobalt]

yeah that person is godhands with controller

you should peep their encore clears

[vapid river]

type out the rot like it's green text

[knotty fiber]

I think 40 is the cap for S0 regardless R1 or not

because it involves nuking

so 45s is like fine

[edgy cobalt]

kinda shows that sig is a scam

[neat robin]

I need someone to do these spd guides on mobile
So I can stop being sad my times are like. Double yalls

[knotty fiber]

no not really

[edgy cobalt]

that's why they showcased s0r0

[knotty fiber]

the sig is significantly stronger

it's just she's strong

and the ending ends with nuking

[edgy cobalt]

dmg numbers yeah significantly stronger

[vapid river]

emerald was ~250k crit sig was like ~310k

[edgy cobalt]

but realistically how many seconds can you save w/ sig

[knotty fiber]

you don't need it for her to function

she slaps Jinshi without sig is crazy lmao

I might need to work on my Sanhua if I wanna draw out the last bit of her dmg

[vapid river]

as long as you're getting it done under 2 minutes it doesn't really matter does it?

[knotty fiber]

she only does 24k ult compared to Yumi's 60k

[edgy cobalt]

when the game is too easy so why not go for 1m clears

[neat robin]

Ok whos yumi

[edgy cobalt]

yt channel I plugged

just backread

[vapid river]

the person in that video

and yeah, no clue how that sanhua just always had ult

shit was wild

[edgy cobalt]

they're the reason why I became encorepilled in like the second month playing

[knotty fiber]

I think for me it's not the dmg but how fast I can do every step of the rotation

[neat robin]

Ok no I thought you were calling a char an old test name like tsubaki/camy

[edgy cobalt]

super easy to get sanhua ult

that's just 107 saying tsubaki lmao

[knotty fiber]

what old test name?

tf

[vapid river]

oh the second was res skill

nvm

[neat robin]

Sanhua ult is always??

[vapid river]

no no

[neat robin]

Why are you struggling

[vapid river]

it was res skill on second

[knotty fiber]

Tsubaki IS her name not "test name"

[edgy cobalt]

japanese moment

[neat robin]

I thought they changed it from beta to official

[knotty fiber]

they never changed it

[edgy cobalt]

what

tsubaki is what they call her in jp

[neat robin]

Idk

[knotty fiber]

it has always been Tsubaki for JP, Camellya for EN, Chun for CN

at first ppl called her Chun cuz that's what CN leakers gave them

[neat robin]

Ive always heard chun

[edgy cobalt]

[neat robin]

One single person naming her tsubaki, idk where the name came from lol

[edgy cobalt]

well now you know

[knotty fiber]

I think I explained that a couple times too to justify my way of calling her

[neat robin]

I dont care specifics I just never knew where it was coming from

Ah. I forgot I wanted to try jiyan in overdrive again

Got distracted by illusive

[knotty fiber]

and I explained it to you a couple times

never seemed to care it seems

[dusty crown]

Cam is so satisfying in illusive realm with inferno rider lmfao

spin-to-bomb is amazing

[blissful tulip]

Illusive realm's been a lot better this time

Mostly because of the new characters , the mode and its issues barely changed

[edgy cobalt]

yeah def not a lot better

maybe like 1% better

[blissful tulip]

Should have rephrased it as I've been enjoying it a lot more than usual lol

But it's just the high of new character testing

[edgy cobalt]

probably the case, I can nitpick so much from this patch even outside of IR but I won't because the game gave me camellya so I'll just chill

[knotty fiber]

[neat robin]

Has anyone tested her s1 even?

Do you take the cdmg every second rot or just extend things to 25s

[knotty fiber]

every 2nd

the optimal rotation doesn't allow much opening

[neat robin]

Also can I reset only 2nd floor of overdrive..
I want to try camy with skeeper but I used sk yao twice

I dont really want to have to reset the full middle tower, not that I have 6* yet
Though verina wasnt horrible, my camy sorta just needs the cr buff more

[potent void]

im playing wuwa again cause cameylla is out

[dusty crown]

my idea is to try with baizhi

and if it doesn't work, try to build youhu to put with yao and yinlin hoping her CA buff at least makes up for some of the dmg lost from having skeeper

😐

[burnt shoal]

what do u guys use to track wishes

me try find and this is what me found that looks good https://www.shorekeeper.moe/

[vapid river]

wuwa tracker

https://www.wuwatracker.com/

[winged belfry]

I was very positively suprised by how good Sanhua is

Even on my shitty support build she preforms very respectably.

[lucid pebble]

4/5 50’s.

[vapid river]

i don't know those feels

only lost 2 50s throughout all of my pulls

[winged belfry]

6/6 lost 50/50s

[vapid river]

that's tough

wait you didn't even reroll

[winged belfry]

Why would I

[vapid river]

[winged belfry]

I got Verina from the beginer banner

[vapid river]

my account started with yinlin+sig and jiyan+sig

[winged belfry]

And that's not counted

[vapid river]

that's why i rerolled

wait why is it spoilered

???

tf

but yeah >.> luck sack account

it doesn't show the camy, but she's after the jiyans

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

Jinhsi goated though.

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

[iron wadi]

bruh...

[vapid river]

did you not s6?

wack

[lucid pebble]

Shop.

[vapid river]

oh

[lucid pebble]

[vapid river]

fair

[lucid pebble]

I like that as long as you have enough coral, it’s effectively 45 wishes for a reso.

Don’t even have to roll 50/50.

Kuro bless.

Also Hoyo could never:

[vapid river]

they could

but it's like

.000005% chance

inb4 some math says "uhm akshually"

[neat robin]

Ive already used baizhi on jinhsi side lol

[small bronze]

i did these on launch and i didnt know they added new

i will take all i can

[small bronze]

me on a 10 pull on launch days

2 jiyans and encore

[vapid river]

did you get his sig too?

[small bronze]

yea i did

that wasnt that lucky at like 70

[dusty crown]

i refuse to use both baizhi AND yuanwu on her side

[neat robin]

Oh nah I have zz

[lucid pebble]

You don’t need sustain if you just kill the enemies before you die.

[neat robin]

Did hsi zz baizhi cuz shes the easiest

So now I’m stuck with verina in middle & sk on right unless I reset floors

[dusty crown]

if i had zz it'd be a different story ahah

[neat robin]

I dont like zz

Shes great attacks, I just dont like her looks and personality

[lucid pebble]

I’ve always ran Chibihsi middle with yuanwu and Verina. Solo floor 1 on each side with Changli. Tall Xiao + ZZ/Yinlin for 2 and 3 dependent on elem preference, and Changli + ZZ/Yinlin for both 4’s.

[neat robin]

No no this is overdrive

[lucid pebble]

Oh.

Tower 3 is

[neat robin]

I’m fucked over by needing to use verina with camy in middle now

[lucid pebble]

I need to try it with Cammy.

[neat robin]

I got 2* mephis with lv6 skill camy and lv70 sword

[lucid pebble]

I think Cammy is better in 3 given the waves and waves of fodder.

[neat robin]

Pretty sure bears are havoc though

[vapid river]

only do 2 full sides of overdrive for the extra asterites

200k would be nice, but not worth the headache atm

[neat robin]

I’m 16/18*

[vapid river]

maybe with another good healer/support

[neat robin]

Because of middle tower

[vapid river]

or just after some time to invest in youhu

[neat robin]

I should just do encore camy quickswap

[vapid river]

you should

if you have that as an option

i have 0 fusion

[neat robin]

Yes s1 string encore

[vapid river]

mort and chixia

[neat robin]

Gonna retry 3rd tower first floor with jiyan

As much as I complain, camy really didnt do badly with verina

[vapid river]

good luck

[lucid pebble]

I’m 16/18 because of third tower.

Does overdrive reset?

[dusty crown]

no it's perm i think

i guess they'll continue adding more perm towers as the game progresses

[potent void]

help what do I do here

It tells me to “move to a safe spot”

[neat robin]

Hmm it does seem like you’re allowed to reset the second floor of overdrive

Idk if I need sk more in yao or camy team

Nice

[neat robin]

Ffffff 5s too slow to kill middle first using yinyao

He always decides not to crit at the worst time

I have a r3 (lv90) and r2 variation should I just refine them together
I kept the second but idk who would ever need both in one team

[cobalt cobalt]

Xiangli yao is so goated

https://tenor.com/view/xiangli-yao-xianglee-yao-xiangleeow-eats-munches-asterite-wuthering-waves-smaller-leeow-gif-3215127145964792624

His bitchass saved me from account brick

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

https://tenor.com/view/essex-azur-lane-segs-brick-gif-27311410

[neat robin]

Okay but
Once camy is actually levelled

Or id just be happy if I can get 1costs with double crit, basically all my chars need them rn

[knotty fiber]

Nn

I'm starting to wonder if her S6 is too strong

She's already S6 Jinhsi level at S3

[neat robin]

That sounds more like your jinhsi has issues 😭

Hsi fits her dmg into a shorter rot too

Camy s6 probably is too strong, but s3 camy isnt s6 jinhsi level

[lucid pebble]

That's because she's beyond chibihsi S6.

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-wuthering-waves-wuthering-jinhsi-jinhsi-wuwa-gif-393666665402773236

[knotty fiber]

that's what you do for her...

[neat robin]

I’m still debating if I should finish refining this variation

Like. Surely theres no team thats gonna want two chars using it

Erm.

[knotty fiber]

had to go over because I keep getting fucked over by 4* luck

a lot of my 4*s were weapons

[neat robin]

S5 camy rn?

Sorta wanna try 5050 for her s1
Idk if I like her playstyle or yaos more

[knotty fiber]

6

bought one copy

I was about to buy the last one but had to go over to the next gold

ended up winning 50-50

so got the last copy from pulling

I could have stopped way earlier had my 4* luck been better

[small bronze]

the first floor of overdrive is pain for me when i use changli on second and jiyan on third

i cant make it in time to kill the bird cause of electro res

and the rest i did 3 star

i suppose i gotta wait until i finish building camy

[neat robin]

For early cons what do you think is the best one? s2, s3?

[knotty fiber]

S2

S2 is only after S6

[small bronze]

did u swipe or actually save this much

[knotty fiber]

swipe

but not a lot though

it's like $300 ish

[small bronze]

im on some fb group and some people saved so much for camy its crazy

[neat robin]

Hmm

[knotty fiber]

her S2 didn't do much to my clear time tho

[neat robin]

I’m at 270 coral, if I win 5050 for s1 I’m pretty close to just buying s2

[knotty fiber]

like no change

but S3 did

went from 45s clear to 29 with S3

but in general S2 is the strongest

[neat robin]

Idek what her lv10 forte is but lv6 is 934% multi,
s2 is +120% on top of that?

[knotty fiber]

no

x2.2

whatever your forte multiplier is, you multiply it by 2.2

[neat robin]

So it just straight up does an extra 120% of whatever dmg it normally deals

[knotty fiber]

yeah

[neat robin]

Tf

[knotty fiber]

that's why I said

[neat robin]

So 100k goes to 220k

[knotty fiber]

her S3 is on S6 Jinhsi level

and her S6 literally slaps Jinhsi out of meta

[neat robin]

Yeah her s6 is wild

[knotty fiber]

because S6 almost doubles her spin dmg

and gives her another nuke at the end

[neat robin]

Jinhsi s6 would still be bigger single number though? But overall dpr less, idk at that point

[knotty fiber]

not almost double but like, 1.7 times

yes single number

but Tsubaki single rotation is like

lemme count

hanging somewhere 2.5m+ dmg per rotation

[neat robin]

Its so unnecessary

[knotty fiber]

yes

unnecessarily strong

both tower bosses die before I could even use her 2nd nuke

let alone a short combo after that

[neat robin]

I’m more hoping they dont bump tower stats again like they did with hsi release

Though camy s0 is balanced with the other non-hsi dps

[knotty fiber]

her S0 is now on Hsi level without as much investment

the RNG is probably the same

needs to gamba for ult and skill crit

[small bronze]

i hope we get some badass glacio dps

maybe pistols

[knotty fiber]

well rumoured that Kamola is that

glacio pistol

she's the girl that was falsely advertised as "Chun" before the game was released

seems like ||she's gonna be the heroine for 2.0 story||

[neat robin]

Mm rip lost 5050

I’m not lucky enough

[small bronze]

if she will be cool i hope i will win 50 cause i was not sure for pulling camy

[neat robin]

Well I have 2 weeks to decide if I wanna spend for s1 & use coral for s2

Are we gonna get any kamola leaks before camy banner ends?

[knotty fiber]

well

we should

we should have some 2.0 beta leak during her banner

[small bronze]

i only heard about the

[knotty fiber]

#Ayaka moment

[small bronze]

||weird bubblegum girl and bulante the clown pirate||

nothing about kamola

[knotty fiber]

now you know

rumoured glacio pistols, and that above

this is such an Ayaka-ahh moment

[neat robin]

I have no tunerssss

I need to upgrade shit

[neat robin]

Insane

[knotty fiber]

would have been faster if I had enough concerto and didn't miss my ult crit

[neat robin]

I’m gonna end up getting her at least s2 idk why I debate with myself

[knotty fiber]

you know

I heard something about 2.0 characters being gen 2

I hope they don't go the HSR way

HSR's HP creep is insane

because of new units

[neat robin]

Yeah

This is also why I’m trying to talk myself out of pulling cons

I dont want to spend money & have them be useless in tower content just a few months later

[knotty fiber]

at least I think her S2 is safe

not Jiyan tho

[neat robin]

Jiyan is just personal lol

Ik hes never been a longterm dps

Ok so whats the point of these invisible weapons 😭

They look so silly

[knotty fiber]

the only actually good invisible weapons are rectifier and gauntlets

[neat robin]

Gatekept by event time restriction

Nov 21 for the phantom rider

[neat robin]

Good for when they dont match the char

Youhu is fun in realm, so was mort

Lingyang is still hella shit

[iron wadi]

lingyang's purpose is to kill off accounts.

[neat robin]

Verina realm is easy (bell ofc)

Skeeper is not as good

Camy +rider & verina +bell have been easiest runs
But this is only realm V still

[lucid pebble]

Thing I didn't like about previous realms is I could be balling through the entirety of the run, and then I accidently step on an invisible fire puddle in the final boss and immediately die.

[neat robin]

Yeah I think it was the new dreamless last time? It could oneshot a lot of chars

[lucid pebble]

Unless you're playing bell, there's a severe lack of defensive options.

[neat robin]

Camy has some chances to have hp gain per hit, which is why rider works

But otherwise bell always

Bell takes 32 blue to max, rider only took 28 red buffs

[neat robin]

Gonna say though I am very glad we dont need to level or equip anything but a weapon on chars for realm

[burnt shoal]

maybe not long term but jiyan is good enough for me to clear floor 1-3 with low investment

and aero dmg being buffed often lately

[neat robin]

Encore with rider (verina teammate) was so damn fast

Easy af realm

I hope this still works on the harder difficulty

[iron wadi]

as long as u dont get ur teeth kicked in u should be fine

unless u have some form of damage mitigation to allow for errors

[neat robin]

18* yeeeee

[dusty crown]

huh so her cam's boom can be nulled 😐

[neat robin]

Yeah

s1 is the ‘fix’ 🙃

[dusty crown]

woohoo baizhi did the job overdrive - hazard

just put skeeper's weapon on her so i guess that helps a little

[knotty fiber]

she can also be kicked out of spin

monkee's 2nd heavy can slap her out of it

a light touch will slap her out of nuke

[knotty fiber]

@edgy cobalt seems like for ST, her sword mode deals better dmg than vine mode

pretty fast and does more dmg

[opaque flume]

ive seen quite a bit of hate for lumis en va

i liked it

idk

[small bronze]

i was one of em but i dont hate it i just think it doesent match her looks if that makes sense

but thats just my opinion

[thorn brook]

So when can we expect the 1.5 characters to get drip marketed?

[small bronze]

you mean 2.0? so far they haven't really been holding any schedule as far as i know

ive seen people say "drip marketing today trust" for 2 weeks straight

[edgy cobalt]

mhm no wonder its preferred in speedruns

[knotty fiber]

yeah

for me it's hardly any different

since S6 already

but yeah sword mode has higher dmg

pretty much reflects their multipliers too

21.95% vs 24.70%

[small bronze]

so after all her spin mode is worse?

[knotty fiber]

let's read what I said again

single target only

against crowd, it's no contest

her vine is better

[knotty fiber]

well she spins in both modes so... should distinguish them with "sword" and "vine"

[dusty crown]

i still don't understand her kit

[small bronze]

using abbreviation for single target is crazy work

i didnt know what that meant

[dusty crown]

but i beat the towers anyways

[knotty fiber]

well it's something super common in turn-based game

i.e. HSR

so I got used to it

[dusty crown]

i just keep randomly spamming autos and skill until i see the red skill then i fill concerto back to outro

which i assume isl ike, not the way to play her optimally

[small bronze]

i suppose i dont play hsr cause they banned my account for rerolling too many times

on launch

[knotty fiber]

sounds like me in re1999

for whatever reason I got banned

[small bronze]

i made 20 accounts and i got the character i wanted on one

day later banned for 10 years

only game i rerolled on

[dusty crown]

i could never do the reroll thing

[small bronze]

i only did it cause it was on launch so i couldnt save

[dusty crown]

way too much time investment for little to nothing in the long run

[small bronze]

and i wanted him bad

this chess guy idk his name

with white hair

[knotty fiber]

n?

a

Jing Yuan

the mid

[small bronze]

ah yea him

[knotty fiber]

and who's about to be saved by the Il Salvatore

[small bronze]

i suppose its actually nice that you switch it depending if multiple or one enemy so they both have use...

and not just spin always

[knotty fiber]

it's a lil bit long to explain

She has 2 modes of attacking, sword and vine
you can switch to either mode by using the normal skill and test those yourself

[small bronze]

while i understand most of it now sometimes my E doesent glow even though i have full energy idk what is the condition if i have to releave the vine mode or its time cd

[dusty crown]

there's a cd iirc

[knotty fiber]

After casting her intro, she will get 100 pistils, which will be consumed while using her basic attacks and skills in either mode to gain more concerto energy and resonance energy

when her concerto bar is at MAXIMUM , another skill will pop up, which is the nuke and the key to her ultra mode

using it will consume about 7/10 of your concerto bar, and increases your normal attack dmg immensely

until you consume the whole bar

[knotty fiber]

it has a cooldown of 25s

the cooldown is fair, since you need to do some other stuffs in the other 2 chars too

[dusty crown]

so i'm kinda not doing everything wrong... iguess

xD

[small bronze]

oh that makes sense i tried to figure it out without reading kek so i thought you gotta reset the vine mode to pop the nuke again

but its just time cd

[knotty fiber]

yeah

you don't need to touch the switch

but you want to

because using the switch has dmg and has concerto recovery

also in single target scenario, the sword mode is just better to use

faster recharging, faster dmg, higher dmg

[small bronze]

thats good to hear cause idk if i would have energy to test it out myself and i would just spin always

but choosing it makes it more fun anyway

and more variety

[dusty crown]

sword mode = NOT blossom mode correct?

[knotty fiber]

yes

blossom = vine

which has red hair

sword mode is white hair

the default mode

blossom is much better against a crowd

but if there's only the boss then go sword

[dusty crown]

so basically no need to use skill against a boss until you have ephemeral up

[small bronze]

i actually didnt even try, does her nuke enhance her normal sword phase too?

[dusty crown]

is it just NA spam or can the CA be weaved in (i think it has like a super long animation?)

[small bronze]

or just blossom

[knotty fiber]

her nuke does 2 things: dmg and multiplier scales

multipliers of all her basic attacks and skills

the modes only change how she attacks, they don't have unique buff to themselves

[knotty fiber]

generally you only wanna use hold

you don't wanna tap

hold to access to her heavy attack immediately

[dusty crown]

Like, Intro -> Ult -> Hold attack until ephemeral is ready?

prydwen seems to say BA1, BA2, BA3, Blazing Waltz (Full channel), BA4. I guess that means holding when performing BA3 ?

[knotty fiber]

intro -> skill -> ult to cancel skill animation

[knotty fiber]

no, you hold right away

no need to go through BA

[dusty crown]

skill only when against hordes

[knotty fiber]

you wanna use her skill as many times as possible

[dusty crown]

or still even in single target and then you just cancel it with a jump?

and that's where i get lost XD

[knotty fiber]

right

it can be confusing

what I do is

whatever mode I don't use, I switch to another character during that

the cooldown is pretty short

so it's not like you're stuck with it

damn I wish I made a video before upgrading my sequences

I only have S6 videos now

[knotty fiber]

playing her effectively requires a lot of switching

to maximize the concerto energy you get from her without being onfield

[dusty crown]

something like that if single target? 😕

[knotty fiber]

yes exactly

for me I have 2 rotations right now

[neat robin]

You can jump to cancel her redhair mode without putting skill on cd I think
Then skill back into redhair for more energy

[knotty fiber]

but 1 of them is kinda hard to play at below S3

yes you can cancel it

but in a speed run I don't wanna jump

[neat robin]

The jump does dmg, its an attack not an actual jump

[knotty fiber]

and the rotation flows well enough that you don't need to jump to cancel it

the time will come

[neat robin]

Need to make a razor language summary for this kit lol

[dusty crown]

and against a groupe of mobs i can just spintowin immediately after using her skill? (i find that unintuive as even if it hits a lot it deals lesser dmg :()

[knotty fiber]

a lot of wordings in her kit yes

[knotty fiber]

the dmg it deals is not much less but you still need to actually follow the rotation

to get the buffs that is

difference is just which mode you're gonna end up in

[neat robin]

You want 10 stack before using her enhanced skill

I think

[knotty fiber]

well you don't HAVE to

8-9 is fine

if you try too hard to get 10 stacks when the flows doesn't allow you, you'll end up losing Sanhua's outro

[neat robin]

Well. No but the sooner you use enhanced you waste a bunch of the pistils

[knotty fiber]

which is a much bigger of a buff than mere 2 stacks

[neat robin]

Yeah

Ngl the verina team went really smoothly

[knotty fiber]

pay attention to the red icon when you consume pistils

[neat robin]

Like yes my own camy build needs the crit buff but verina timings worked fine

[knotty fiber]

it indicates the amount of buff stacks you have

the moment you use concerto skill, all stacks will be consumed to give extra dmg buff for your normal attack dmg

[dusty crown]

oh i see

[knotty fiber]

the buff = 50% + [stacks x 5%]

maximum 10 stacks

[dusty crown]

was trying to figure out what these stacks were

[neat robin]

Ok just to clarify camy sig
Her enhanced skill is only getting the first half of the buff, then use enhanced to consume concerto for the extra buff for .. another spin? Next rot?

Feels like you use concerto late in the rot unless it carries til next rot if you’re fast at sk/sanhua part

[knotty fiber]

it gets both

it gets the whole 70%

the moment you use cskill, it consumes your concerto and activates sword buff

[neat robin]

It buffs the moment you press enhanced skill, cuz it takes a sec to actually hit target right

[knotty fiber]

yeah

[neat robin]

Yeah ok

[knotty fiber]

then you get another bar of pistils to do another combo

until it runs out and your concerto bar is full again

outro into SK

and repeat prep rotation

[neat robin]

Oh nah i had verina in overdrive

[knotty fiber]

then into SH

[neat robin]

I did dreamless > verina > sanhua > camy skill, lib, spin, enhanced > restart

I only built concerto to full once each rot or something

[knotty fiber]

for me, I use ult after I have already entered budding

because of both S3 and 40% BA sig buff

[neat robin]

Hmm

No s3 here lol. But its prob a lil extra dmg to ult after enhanced skill so may as well learn it that way

I cant wait to actually max her talents lol

[knotty fiber]

I don't remember if I can still ult the next rotation with that

because compared to the other way, you actually miss out half of her ult bar

wait

I'm dumb

her ult is not affected by the 40% BA

[neat robin]

Look half the things dont do the same dmg type as the talent type

[knotty fiber]

eh no

ult is the only thing that doesn't deal BA dmg

[neat robin]

A ult doing basic dmg is like.. zz birds

I wasnt gonna question camy ult also dealing basic dmg 😂

[knotty fiber]

at S5 there's something else relevant but doesn't deal BA dmg

which is her intro

because if her intro deals basic dmg, it's gonna be too much

S5 increases her intro dmg by 303%

[neat robin]

Yeah ok so ult whenever its ready basically

[knotty fiber]

quadrupling

[neat robin]

After spamming multiple camy & yao realm runs
I think longterm I’m still gonna prefer yaos playstyle. I like the hypercubes

Might just be cuz I dont like getting smacked out of the air when spinning

I’m glad we need 3 teams always lol. Get to use everybody

[hollow gorge]

If I get Camy, I get her s0r0 to clear Tacet Fields That's her function in life

I would go for Camy s2 though if it wasn't Jihnsi, Gunyaka and potentially 2nd Magistrate in next 2-3 patches

[vapid river]

True, glad I get to save next patch

Unless lumi is some good tier 4* I can wait

[knotty fiber]

This is the day I die

[vapid river]

Ain't no way that's real

[knotty fiber]

No but like

I don't like her appearance

At least looking at the render

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242614859968020540/1303092874182660096/9xw1r9jc3xyd1.png?ex=6739a88f&is=6738570f&hm=de061ebfc3eaea7f098c6fe227dc451588d5aa0fec1061045a249a1b1d057401&

The epitome of "ugly"

[vapid river]

two hair colors
two eye colors
Pick one

[hollow gorge]

Erm... You suggest to shave half of her head and cover an eye with a patch?

[vapid river]

Surely cotton candy hair is natural

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, I think that would be still a better designed char

[vapid river]

🙄

Honestly I like the hair

Pink and blue together is nice

It's the eyes that bother me

Idt the gold/yellow or red alone would work

The mask could go too

Such a strange accessory

Like the key unlocks it and then what?

The top part comes off?

Now she has a fan?

I do like the bits of argyle thrown in. Diamonds are neat

[dire river]

Have honestly seen worse

[potent void]

new ipad wallpaper gosh I love her so much

[vapid river]

so a whole set to make youhu useless?

[uneven flame]

Just stack them

[lilac hare]

Maybe they’re unstackable..

[knotty fiber]

so you can walk with this mode when you're out of stamina

can also use grapple to force her down

[potent void]

u can just use her e swap out and swap back in

and she'll appear in this mode

[weary acorn]

vshojo member aaah looking character

[lilac hare]

Rinascita Characters

[uneven flame]

I still can't tell what Rococo is doing in this picture... Everyone is bowing and she is covering her face maybe wiping tears? I can't tell where her other arm is

[neat robin]

See this is fine, but do we have coords who do enough dmg to want a new set over just buffing your main dps

[lyric fjord]

that's a dab lmao

[sweet coral]

Uhhh what’s with Lumi’s voice

[lilac hare]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-meme-dab-gif-24208634

[lilac hare]

I feel it’s for future units more than the existing ones

[uneven flame]

I'm blind as hell where is the 2nd arm that would make it a dab all I see is her hair

[cobalt cobalt]

Consider this instead

[lilac hare]

Probably this?

[uneven flame]

That looks like her hair compared to the other side of her head.

Cause otherwise the picture of her we got makes no sense

[opaque flume]

This shit genuinely got me sobbing

This cannot be real

[neat robin]

[hollow gorge]

The better your hypercarry investment, the less Moonlit buff matters. But supports will always have few buffs, so for them damage improv is significant. So it will be more useful later in the game

[opaque flume]

Guys my cami isn’t doing enough damage

How do I get her to do more

[neat robin]

What team?

Havoc 5pc, 5* sword, talent levels ?

[knotty fiber]

Can't tell what's happening only knowing this

[hollow gorge]

Maybe you aren't the Rover she was looking for after all

[neat robin]

Finished all lv6 holos

Rider is a bitch
Nonstop floor explosions

[cobalt cobalt]

She got that NPC haircut

[neat robin]

Idk what to do now. Got overdrive done, finished all holograms…

I need all my 1costs replaced with double crit but thats all up to rng

[vapid river]

just coast and farm echoes

[vapid river]

idk, willpower or something

[opaque flume]

Idk explore or smth

[opaque flume]

Eog 8/6/7/7/4 lvl 80 and sk sanhua for team

[hollow gorge]

That's the problem, with the lack of tuners u start to run out of echo space this way

[hollow gorge]

You leveled wrong attack. U need to do forte>skill>lib

And well, eog is quite behind the sig. Like 19% behind, so that's a lot

[knotty fiber]

Not wrong

Just not enough

BA is super important

[hollow gorge]

Well, yeah, but not the first order of importance

[knotty fiber]

2nd order if against single target lol

[neat robin]

cdmg mech

79/245 crit using cr mech instead

[vapid river]

don't you want to try and hit 70/270 and then improve upon that?

[neat robin]

Its still on 2/2 build

[vapid river]

ah

oh mech

should have guessed

tbh

[neat robin]

I have 4 tunes pieces

[vapid river]

or wait does he want lingering?

[neat robin]

Cant find a new 3cost yet

[vapid river]

i don't have mine built, just assumed he'd want vt

[neat robin]

Tunes for hypercarry yes

[vapid river]

vt is for yinlin synergy?

or is there a reason you'd want him on that set

[neat robin]

If you already had a set and dont wanna farm a new one lol

Neither set works great for his quickswap team

If you dont have his sig I think tunes vs void were pretty similar

[vapid river]

but he realistically wants lingering is what i'm hearing

[neat robin]

If you’re reliably outro’ing off every rot yes

Tunes - 30% atk buff & +60% outro dmg

Void - 40% electro buff

[cobalt cobalt]

I’m level 45 so she’s maxed out rn, where should I start for making her a bit stronger?

[neat robin]

More cr

[cobalt cobalt]

Should I swap the four cost CD for a four cost CR?

[neat robin]

Yeah

[cobalt cobalt]

She’s be at like 70-something cr and 190-ish CD

Should I just go for a CD main with a CR sub and get it up to 60 cr 230 cd?

[neat robin]

You should be aiming for 70 cr with eog/her sig & a cdmg dreamless

Need a cr sub on all 5 pieces there ofc

[cobalt cobalt]

I havé a CD dreamless on her rn but it’s the only piece that doesn’t have cr sub

I don’t think it’s possible for me to hit 70 rn because I can’t max out EoG

[neat robin]

Also you have a lot of wasted rolls on those dmg bonuses, shes mostly basic & a little lib

[cobalt cobalt]

Stuck at level 70

[neat robin]

Cr cdmg atk% basic% is the aim later on

[cobalt cobalt]

Noted

[neat robin]

I need to spend tomorrow killing everything in my world for 1costs, & LT 3costs

[cobalt cobalt]

Is this better?

I got a kind of super shitty echo but it got both cr and cd

Damn bitch I like like this

[neat robin]

Better, still need cr on a couple other echos though

[neat robin]

Try to roll for crit in the first 2-3 subs, saves you a ton of resources, 20-25 takes a ton more than 1-20

[cobalt cobalt]

All my echoes have cr

[neat robin]

Thats only going to be 62 cr with a lv90 sword..

Honestly a cr mainstat and cdmg on each piece would be better
80/240 > 60/260 build yk?
Min rolls on subs can be rough

Unless you plan to keep her with skeeper constantly

[cobalt cobalt]

Don’t even have Shorekeeper

[vapid river]

are you na? you can steal shit from my world if you want

idk how many na players there are here

cat

[dusty crown]

that'd be like ~1.2 x 1.25 = 50% amplification for most of camellya's kit correct?

compared to sanhua's 38%

(i guess the 20% havoc affects the liberation)

[neat robin]

Yeah I’m na
Might ask depending how long it takes to clear my own world out

[knotty fiber]

I think amp are additive to each other

So just 45%, but covering more of her kit

Yes they are additive to amps

So 45%

[dusty crown]

ah

so not that OP compared to what sanhua does

will depend a lot on her weapon i guess

maybe they won't give her a DPS weapon

[vapid river]

just lmk

[terse oak]

So, they change the skill name

[knotty fiber]

was that first name like beta v2 lol

because they did change it to burgeoning long ago

[knotty fiber]

I can't

fucking

believe this

70% crit rate
10 runs
I either miss 2 out of 3 crit nukes or miss all 3

never hit 2 crits let alone all 3

[neat robin]

Its giving butterfly

[terse oak]

Tell me how huge the file size of WuWa today

[burnt shoal]

omg they give substats now on pickup

[wheat moon]

wait is that subs or is that main stat?

[hollow gorge]

Havoc color scheme smh

[hollow gorge]

Sanhua is a separate multiplier tho, that has no other entries

[dusty crown]

dmg deepen, amplify, they're all separate from dmg bonus no

[winged belfry]

In WuWa all echoes have two main stats, and subs need to be unlocked via leveling

[knotty fiber]

Yes

Same shit

[cobalt cobalt]

Well yeah but only one main stat is RNG, and the other one is a flat buff so it feels more like an extra sub lol

[lucid pebble]

No more breeding.

[neat robin]

That was fun…

I need to fix one more echo on her I think. Missing just 1 cr sub

[burnt shoal]

why sanhua is the top 4 star in prydwen?

is she much better than mortefi

[neat robin]

Mort really only buffs jiyan and thats it
And the reliance on heavy attacks to trigger his ult coord more frequently (which is still also only jiyan)

Sanhua charges super fast, and is at least for both encore & camy

[neat robin]

Has anyone tried dash cancelled crownless to buff camy?

Apparently you can cancel after first hit & get the havoc buff so idk if its worth over dreamless’s own dmg

[edgy cobalt]

it comes down to personal preference, super minimal difference

you're mobile so you're probably better off with dreamless

[neat robin]

I cant afford to roll things anyways 😭

My double crit dreamless is staying

[edgy cobalt]

there is a milisecond delay with swapping after using dreamless while crownless an extra button or two to cancel swap out

and you save a milisecond

but if your hands aren't fast enough don't bother with crownless and stick with dreamless

[neat robin]

I’m mostly just proud of my jinhsi now
Missing one single cr sub & anything after would be minmaxing

I kept a few crit crownless but prob wont be trying to roll any, any time soon

[vapid river]

i have, the increase in dmg was like 8k

i'll post my crown/dream

they're very close sub stats

1.2%cdmg diff and 20 flat atk

[neat robin]

I apparently forgot these exist.

[vapid river]

just keep saving them

i didn't realize till now but they both have the exact same res skill dmg too

[neat robin]

Not a good dreamless (was hrovers before) but rolling for double crit is pain

[vapid river]

honestly take whichever has the best subs

unless you really wanna minmax and echo cancel

you don't really need crownless

[neat robin]

How bad of an idea is it to learn danjin on mobile

I like hrovers big nuke but the rest of it.. meh

.. you can tell this was from hrover building though

[lilac hare]

Roccia.

Carlotta

New set

Lingyang buff fr

[blissful tulip]

An entire new set to farm

[lilac hare]

That 480 backup resin will get you op pieces it’s ok

[blissful tulip]

Animations should be in around 3-6 days?

For the duo

[lilac hare]

Let wuwa win so we get a free 5*

[robust axle]

The waves withered as my soul

[lyric fjord]

Balatro or pokemon will win :(

[dusty crown]

wouldn't be surprised if pokemon took it

or maybe ZZZ

just saw pryd moved camy ahead of jinhsi 😮

which i don't disagree with

she's so much better to use overall

[blissful tulip]

The tier list is alphabetical

[dusty crown]

oh

never noticed that xD

regardless, cam is pog because even though she has some nukes her entire damage is a bit less reliant on them

same reason why i like using XY instead of 'hsi in a lot of content

[knotty fiber]

she's stronger in terms of potential

but ease-of-playing-wise, it's Hsi

[dusty crown]

me a week or two ago shitting my pants trying to understand the proper rotations for hsi teams

cam's kit is complicated but with the explanations you've given the past few days it's somewhat easy to play

[vapid river]

this, i feel like i could slam my face into my keyboard and still crit for 400k with hsi

[wraith steeple]

tis true

[wraith steeple]

zhizhi gon luv that 1

[dusty crown]

I can't even crit for nearly that much 😭

She lacks flexibility unlike cam, like her dmg outside nukes isn't that great

So if you have an enemy with just 20% remaining you might have to nuke it and restart an entire rotation for the next wave

That's what I find annoying :/

[vapid river]

you mean she lacks the ability to e then hold attack and spin everything to death

[dusty crown]

Exactly

[vapid river]

if we're talking just overworld stuff

[dusty crown]

Tower too for the floors where there's a wave followed by a boss

[blissful tulip]

Cameylla's great for sustained damage, but her playstyle's not for everyone
At least for me, I heavily dislike how dodging ruins the flow and she has to ramp up and swing again

[dusty crown]

It takes some practice yeah

[blissful tulip]

Tbf, a lot of Cameylla's value for me depends on how I feel about Kamorra's gameplay and style

HRover is still great as a filler option in almost every team for me

I just dislike stiffness

[dusty crown]

But even if this happens it's not like a massive dps loss (even if it's still one) compared to missing a nuke because the flying ****ers started flying before you pressed nuke

And you didn't notice it

[blissful tulip]

From the crumbs I've seen she reminds me of a HI3 character with a similar playstyle, but Kuro are full of surprises

[wraith steeple]

this is true

next thing we know sumbody gon be attacking the hockey stick and a stuffed animal

[blissful tulip]

Eh I thought Kamorra was more like Shigure Kira

[dusty crown]

why did i get the highest score for the first difficulty of nightmare revisit with a trial character that i have no idea how to play with

and just ended up randomly mashing buttons

[lucid pebble]

ZZ: They're both free real estate.

[lucid pebble]

Balatro is winning.

[hollow gorge]

Really? Pokemon fans are sleeping?

[blissful tulip]

Is Cameylla's weapon good for anyone besides herself?

[neat robin]

Not really

[dusty crown]

Tried to do the hardest difficulty for the simulation trainings and gave up again

[neat robin]

Cant remember what hrovers scythe attacks are considered but eog has er & atk for the whole kit

[blissful tulip]

At least it looks good I suppose

Maybe some future sword user will like it

[neat robin]

Probably. Just no one else whos majority of dmg is basic%

[blissful tulip]

Ugh now I'm tempted to get Camy because I got her sig early

[neat robin]

.. whyd you pull her sword before her?

[blissful tulip]

For a just in case scenario if Kamorra's gameplay turns out to be less to my liking, I'd have been happy either way

Thankfully I'm on guarantee , this patch and the first half of 2.0 are enough for S0R1 if the opposite happens

[neat robin]

Yeah but wouldnt it make more sense to hold off on either banner til we get beta test?

[neat robin]

What happened in this mini update my game is running like shit tonight

[wraith steeple]

cam is honestly fun as hell in a mob scenario

straight shreds in aoe

and for some reason that 25cd doesn't feel like it, which is nice

[lucid pebble]

Are the pokemon fans in the chat with us right now?

[dusty crown]

i once ranked #1 on the random battles ladder on pokemon showdown

does that count

back in gen 7

😭

[lucid pebble]

[knotty fiber]

the WW's Ayaka

[dusty crown]

as long as she's not like that standard gun girl in tower of fantasy...

samir

she was boring af

[neat robin]

Pgr has gun chars doesnt it

And look at their 4* wuwa guns, I’m sure they’ll do good

[dusty crown]

with a controller, you need to press to activate aim mode and it doesn't go away until you press again 😭

literally prevents me from doing optimal mortefi combos i think

[neat robin]

Theres no hold normal to temporary aim?

Mobile has hold normal to do one aimed shot, or theres a separate aim button that keeps you in aiming mode

[dusty crown]

i use a ds5 with default mapping, seems L2 is press to enter, press to exit

if you press square (which is the auto-attack button) and hold, then it does put you in aim mode temporarily

the problem is

try to aim with the right joystick while pressing square

😂

without having to use your index to press square which is very uncomfy 😦

[neat robin]

Play claw obv

[dusty crown]

yeah what i mean with the index finger

very uncomfy

[neat robin]

Idk I play claw on mobile

[dusty crown]

omg

finally did one

XDDD

[dusty crown]

i want to say "hopefully we get a decent shielder soon" but then remember most of these holograms can nearly ohko skeeper

[lyric fjord]

If they release a 5 star shielder it could perhaps provide a per-hit shield rather than a health shield. Otherwise i dont see a world where they'd be worth the pull

[weary acorn]

They add + buffs on them

[uneven flame]

Caesar in Wuwa

[knotty fiber]

Wanshee

[dusty crown]

or just ridiculously thick shields

[terse oak]

Do we have to patch the game per version release or just to reinstlal?

[dapper oar]

is there a leak on changli sub dps character because i can't deal with her not being able to compete with camellya just with sanhua oml

she needs a zhezhi so bad

[knotty fiber]

Are you kidding me

She is a sub dps

[lyric fjord]

I wouldnt pull for a fire support char with a fire deepen outro if that forces me to not cancel changli animations :/

[dapper oar]

well whatever character than can bump her entire kit bhsadasd

[lyric fjord]

What she'd need is a twin but centered around burst dmg and skill dmg buff outro lol

[dapper oar]

im terrible at quickswap so i cant really utilize her to the max

yeah like that

[knotty fiber]

Her entire potential is being able to deal dmg while being swapped out

[burnt shoal]

omg ar75

[lilac hare]

Oh dman we got 1k astrites today

Because it was nominated

[hollow gorge]

Gun chars in PGR play differently a bit

[hollow gorge]

Whaaaa... How the hell going Saigon helicopter mode on enemies is boring

It was fun af

[dusty crown]

no

it's all she did

it got annoying pretty fast

[hollow gorge]

I mean... That can be said of any character "that's all they do"

[dusty crown]

i mean that's like the only thing you'd do

jump, spin to win

jump, spin to win

same animation all the time

at least camy has more variety 😭

[hollow gorge]

Well, you combo it with CC and shieldbreaking

[knotty fiber]

Ah the Samircopter

lmao

[hollow gorge]

If we get a shielder, it wouldn't be as strong as in Genshin. Not even Diona strength I think, because that will ruin a lot of dodge-counter and parry balance

[lyric fjord]

Eh, i'm not sure it would increase that much the dpr to not have to avoid all attacks, since it'd mean you're also giving up on a buffing character. Well it's all hypothetical anyway

[vapid river]

i hope the game doesn't get anything beyond bell for shields

afaik that's all there is

[neat robin]

^

Immersive combat, not just attack-only. No shields pls

[opaque flume]

Bro forgot the goat

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-jianxin-anime-game-gif-3945152152526427043

And uh taoqi gives a shield i think

Idk

[vapid river]

i don't have her

don't think i've used taoqi outside of her trial thing for asterites

hence the "afaik"

their shields must not be that good either otherwise i would have heard more about them

[hollow gorge]

There is Yuanwu s4, Taoqi, Jianxin. Plenty of options, but with huge demerits

Also 2 shield echoes

Besides bell

[vapid river]

shield other than bell?

weird

yeah the demerits are you're using yuanwu, taoqi, or jianxin

[neat robin]

Well jinhsi likes yuanwu ig

[vapid river]

mine likes yinlin more

i'm not biased

[neat robin]

I think I had more luck with s6 mort than anyone except zz

When not using jiyan ofc

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, supports are underwhelming. Too much so, because a lot of potential

But 1-2 seconds CC or 4 second taunts is a joke

[blissful tulip]

Her dmg reduction+shields is fantastic for holograms
Problem is that they're one-time clears

She's also an alternative for those who want to take advantage of Danjin's strengths without the risk

[lucid pebble]

Yuanwu has a shield reso.

On ulting.

[lucid pebble]

I haven’t done the holograms.

[dusty crown]

they can make special shields play with these mechanics tbh

we can dodge out of being knocked out with skeeper after all

[neat robin]

The only holo I havent done is mephis 6…
Like technically yes but that was with the drowing him bug

Rider was the worst

[hollow gorge]

Rider was easy for me, thanks to ZZ

Crownless was the hardest for me. Maybe bcs I never bothered learning how to do him properly

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, I believe it's going to be like that

[dusty crown]

the only i've managed to do is aix 😭

and it was with 2 chars dead and camelya surviving with like 2000 hp lol

[torn tapir]

Going for her s4 on rerun

I may not even get that

This game is so stingy 😡

[neat robin]

Ok

[spice finch]

After camellya big bloom damage, does she float (in vines) or stay on the ground?

[neat robin]

Stays in whatever mode she was in

[spice finch]

Ohh makes sense. I thought it is inconsistent

[small bronze]

just did lvl 95 illusive and i didnt expect the turtle to be final boss, bro attacked me 3 times in the whole fight

felt like abuse

[languid summit]

Once you cast Ephemeral she goes into Budding mode and does more damage based on the Crimson Buds you accumulated prior. Her kit is actually pretty cool.

But yeah whether she's in regular or vine mode depends on what mode she was in during the cast.

[dawn willow]

Oooh carnival

I hope there's like a mafia group in Rinascita if it's based on Venice

[dusty crown]

i thought it would be greece

could be roman/greek stuff

can't wait to see what they cook visually

[hollow gorge]

Nah, Roman or Greek had a different style of masks

It's like old-school comedy/tragedy

[dusty crown]

ah lame

italian renaissance i guess then