I am just a silly guy
#・wuwa-lounge
vapid river
if you can't see how condescending you were just being you're also pretty blind
ngl
vapid river
or you lack the ability to see fault in your own words
opaque flume
if you can't see how condescending you were just being you're also pretty blind
Such is life
vapid river
opaque flume
1.4 with camy, then 2.0 potential gun lady
Oh ok
Cool
Should I get camy guys
They should give more pulls man
For free ofc
neat robin
Ult forte skill
Lv6 or whatever she doesnt do much dmg on moonlit build
edgy cobalt
she doesn't need ER really
her dmg is not bad tbh so you could treat building her like a dps
spice finch
I have her the crate standard weapon
edgy cobalt
you can pop a 50k ult for an average build or even close to 100k if you have buffs and a cracked sanhua build
but the most important thing is rotating with her when pairing with encore and eventually camellya
and her dupes
spice finch
Camellya Sanhua SK teamcomp
edgy cobalt
yeah I can see myself running that too
rotate and quickswap and do what you can as long as it's sk outro -> sh outro -> cam outro -> repeat
spice finch
~~and her dupes~~
I dont have complete chain for sanhua. Hope she is in camellya banner
edgy cobalt
so rover better
cam wants a lot of field time
most selfish dps as people say so she probably does the most dps herself, than her and hrover combined
burnt shoal
I dont have complete chain for sanhua. Hope she is in camellya banner
isn't she like in jiyan banner right now
vapid river
she is
neat robin
Would s6 danjin be better than non s6 sanhua for camy?
edgy cobalt
Would s6 danjin be better than non s6 sanhua for camy?
I would still use sanhua especially if she's not that far off to s6
vapid river
Would s6 danjin be better than non s6 sanhua for camy?
depends on if 38% basic atk dmg increase is better than like, 24% havoc dmg
23%*
edgy cobalt
if sanhua is occupied with encore then
danjin/hrover is an option
vapid river
ye, depends on what team they're on
opaque flume
s6 hrover 2025 surely
End of game hrover you get 1 day before EOS
I think we will get a new element in 3.0 fr
neat robin
Only 10 days til camy jeez
opaque flume
Is she good
neat robin
Patch has gone by quick ngl
All the limited dps have been good so
Shes very hypercarry, no quickswaps
Depends what playstyle you like
knotty fiber
She used to be quickswappable until they made her Havoc Jiyan without cc
But at least her cskill is now normal attack dmg
So it deals bigger dmg now
spice finch
Is this updated?
spice finch
So how do we play her now?
Once intro, you gain 100 pistils
You consume it thru skill so you get concerto energy?
Once c.energy is full you enter budding state
Then you consume the new 100 pistils
Do we use liberation at the end or start?
spice finch
Do we use liberation at the end or start?
Or maybe before the budding state so you can get concerto energy. Idk 😅
knotty fiber
Idk
I need to actually use her
It's hard to assume with just text
You probably wanna build up first without full concerto
Then proc healer + sanhua outro then fill up her concerto then cskill
neat robin
I wanna test and see how much she can get interrupted, if they had to include ir in her s1
Also 25s cd on s1 buff after intro seems. Weird.
Either forced to lengthen into a 25s rot or you only get the buff every 2nd rot
knotty fiber
Also 25s cd on s1 buff after intro seems. Weird.
Either forced to lengthen into ...
It's not weird
It's stupid
Like what the fuck is the balancing team doing
What are they testing
spice finch
Not sure if 25s will start only afyer S1 ends (which is after 18s)
Otherwise it is just 7 secs cooldown
knotty fiber
Not sure if 25s will start only afyer S1 ends (which is after 18s)
The thing is
You can't alwqys activate intro
knotty fiber
You have to either be a maniac to time it correctly by milliseconds
or miss it
or extend your rotation every time
See the issue?
knotty fiber
But still it means we can get the buff every intro
Not every intro
There's a CD on it
💀
neat robin
Extending rot to 25s just for 28% cdmg isnt worth
Take the cdmg every 2nd rot
Wording seems like ir should be always at least
neat robin
Her ankles look like pain
knotty fiber
knotty fiber
Extending rot to 25s just for 28% cdmg isnt worth
her rotation is dead fixed at 25s
because of her cskill cooldown
it's that you have to aim the fucking intro as well
the rotation can't get any shorter than 25s and 1s early on intro, you lose the cdmg boost
sweet coral
Oh damn XLY rerun this early
And it’s with Yinlin too
Wtf
We might see Jinhsi Zhezhi double rerun then
neat robin
because of her cskill cooldown
Oh its 25s skill too? I havent looked at timings there yet
No one else takes that long, feels weird ig to force long rots here
knotty fiber
skill is a thing because I understand you have to go to other chars to build up their outros
but CD on something that relies on intro proc
winged belfry
Before, I was willing to get her to C1
Or maybe C2
via shop constelatins
But now, I"m not sure how big of an increase these things are anymore
still, it's good that most of the value of old constelations has been included in base kit
winged belfry
Ehh
lilac hare
And I already have encore’sher sig
winged belfry
Honestly, it's a bit strange
Because with XY cannot really swap as much out of her
I mean you techincally can
but point is, she has long animations
and pretty slow concerto gain
so IMHO she plays a lot worse than Zhezhi, if we are comparing subdps to subdps
knotty fiber
Idk the whole Yinyao comp is underwhelming for me
Underwhelming might not be the most accurate way to put it but you get what I mean
Yao feels like he should have been a swapper
winged belfry
I mean this is the point where I wonder if it's issue of comparison, because Jinhsi + Zhezhi is OP
knotty fiber
I don't have Zhezhi to compare
winged belfry
and Zhezhi is imho very good
knotty fiber
winged belfry
Yinlin feels adequate with her damage and buffs, but rotations seem a bit bad, while XY feels very good with rotation, but has bad damage
knotty fiber
I mean this is the point where I wonder if it's issue of comparison, because Jin...
One reason
She doesn't need to hyperswap
The rotation is just smooth
And short
winged belfry
yeah, zhezhi is really good to play
Although I feel like brunt of my issues is because XY is on relativly bad set
I don't have a single double crit electro echo
so things are cope
knotty fiber
My set on him is as good as the one on Jiyan
And Yinlin is more wellbuilt than Mortefi
winged belfry
and he has like R3 BP gauntlet
knotty fiber
I'm gonna try maxing some stuffs on Mortefi before trying again
winged belfry
I don;t have Jiyan
BTW, how is he?
is energy issue as big as people make it to be?
winged belfry
really?
knotty fiber
2 low rolls on ER and you're gtg
lilac hare
How is camellya now? My friend wants jiyan’s sig, Camellya and xy 
He’s debating whether to go for the sig or skip it for camellya
knotty fiber
Unless I'm stupid, I will never run into a situation where he lacks energy when he intros from Mortefi
There're ways to play him
winged belfry
How is camellya now? My friend wants jiyan’s sig, Camellya and xy <:A_GaspTao:10...
tell your friend to swipe if they want as much
knotty fiber
Ppl who complain are ppl who don't try to make him work
lilac hare
How is camellya now? My friend wants jiyan’s sig, Camellya and xy <:A_GaspTao:10...
Asked me “Is she jinhsi level”
knotty fiber
Asked me “Is she jinhsi level”
Tell him
Might as well pull more Jinhsi copies
Rather than coping that on her
winged belfry
what?
knotty fiber
lilac hare
Asked me “Is she jinhsi level”
Ive no idea tbh. I just know she takes lots of field time 
winged belfry
And that's a good thing
Optimally you'll run something like Shorekeeper and Sanhua
knotty fiber
Ive no idea tbh. I just know she takes lots of field time <:C_HutaoYEP:856821234...
I'm afraid she takes too much field time
winged belfry
And both have pretty short rotations
knotty fiber
That you don't have time to fill concerto on the other 2
winged belfry
so it works perfectly
lilac hare
is energy issue as big as people make it to be?
No
winged belfry
That you don't have time to fill concerto on the other 2
WTF are you smoking
knotty fiber
WTF are you smoking
Thing is she needs field time before she enters enhanced mode too
winged belfry
Sanhua takes like 4-5s to fill concerto, with Shorekeeper ir depends on her weapon
your point?
knotty fiber
I already said it
winged belfry
like I really don't get your point
knotty fiber
And SK definitely takes way more than 5s
winged belfry
are you woried about backloaded damage or what?
because it's literaly just Jinhsi again, this time on basics instead of on skill
knotty fiber
More like I'm concerned if I can complete 1 rotation in 25s which is her "set" skill CD
knotty fiber
because it's literaly just Jinhsi again, this time on basics instead of on skill
You see
Xiangli Yao is also like that
"Ultimate instead of skill"
Is he anywhere close to Hsi? Absolutely not
I don't really trust paper kits anymore 
winged belfry
"Ultimate instead of skill"
not really
If I was to use Genshin comparison, then XY is closest to Cyno
Burst sets up special mode
during mode you preform special roation with skills at appropaire times, but mostly mash NA
then after x of special version of skill, burst ends
Jinhsi is like Wrio or Wanderer
use skill, get special basics
Ult is just a nuke, nothing esential to her playstyle
difference is that "skill special mode" characters in Genshin don't have a nuke at the ends of their skill uptime
lilac hare
hollow gorge
is energy issue as big as people make it to be?
With SK not so much and Mortefi on 5* standard gun. She prolongs rotation enough for him to comfortably 2x skill. So he can run 120-125%. Now if you put Mortefi on Cadenza and use Verina, Jiyan suddenly needs upwards of 130 ER because your rotation goes from 25s to 20s
neat robin
Backreading on the yao vs jiyan vs hsi convo
Its literally all subjective different people like different playstyles
And nothing stops you from quickswap between yao & yinlin if you want to, exact same as any other buffer that says it ends when char is swapped off
Yao can cancel his own anim like encore does by using (normal) skill
And outro off the 3rd enhanced skill back to skeeper for her special & your next rot should be ready. Barely needs anything extra, its smooth
lilac hare
hollow gorge
Is this official? Because I wanted XY weapon and I won't be getting both weapons next patch
hollow gorge
Damn, that makes things harder for me. Kuro clever bastards lmao
Should I just skip Jihnsi weapon again, she is op anyway and is getting nerfed in future ToA
neat robin
So her sig went from 60 to 70 basic%
lilac hare
Their mats
hollow gorge
Does Cam just consume her own concerto?
Yes. No music in da club. At least not for anyone else's ears, but only MCs
lilac hare
Luokeke
dense elbow
fortnite skin lookin ahh char
lilac hare
Fr
dense elbow
cute face at least
hollow gorge
Oh no, what is this Colgate licorice
At least she doesn't have an aluminium foil star under her eye
If you look at it, she has Encore's and Youwho scalps fused on her head. Scary
blissful tulip
Luokeke
Funky
Not the biggest fan but I'll warm up to it
Middle section of her hair looks plastered on
leaden moat
Wait the 1.4 livestream hasn’t happened yet right ?
hollow gorge
There's no 1.4 Livestream planned afaik
neat robin
Idk why I’m leveling any echos for skeeper still shes got 45k hp & 233 er before fallacy/ult buff
dusty crown
resonance attack ?
winged belfry
Camellya support?
if so, that Resonance Attack Damage buff is what I think it'll be, that is damage from a forte ability on a character, that still wouln't be a noticable increase over Sanhua
Sanhua has 38% for Basics
dire river
Their mats
is lumi like 4* yinlin? 
dusty crown
i don't even know what lumi does besides running with shooting stars
and if she's good or not lel
knotty fiber
if so, that Resonance Attack Damage buff is what I think it'll be, that is damag...
if it's just forte, it's straight up worse
cuz Tsubaki's cskill is considered normal attack dmg
affected by Sanhua's outro anyway
small bronze
im actually a little clueless, i spoke to someone here about yinlin with moonlit instead of ele set
does moonlit overall help with energy recharge for whole team
or just the character that has it
or does it help with forte gauge? whats the use of it
cause i understand it on mortefi cause his ult is off field but for yinlin i don get it
neat robin
or does it help with forte gauge? whats the use of it
Its got nothing to do with the energy part
You want the 5pc bonus + heron to buff the main dps
Like energy helps to ult but whatever. Same reason zz uses it, outro to jinhsi so she gets the atk buff + heron buff
small bronze
Its got nothing to do with the energy part
You want the 5pc bonus + heron to bu...
heron i get but i dont even remember the 5 pc thought it was something with ER too 
small bronze
Nah its 22% atk buff for the next char
oh damn that makes sense now, imagine reading couldnt be me
knotty fiber
Honestly you don't really care about heron atp
Just slap turtle regardless you bring SK or not
Hassle free
lucid pebble
But what about backup turtle?
I run double turtle for Jinhsi because fuck dodging.
neat robin
I use heron on zz
I already had her built with so little er I needed the heron
Plus makes bigger hsi nukes
knotty fiber
But what about backup turtle?
Exactly why I run double turtle
Heron gives me trauma
knotty fiber
nnn
idk how powerful Zhehsi can be
But Changhsi is still strong af
50s on Heron
neat robin
Zz is more to hypercarry hsi, changli is for duo dps with her
Ig close example is like. encore sanhua (zhehsi) vs encore hrover (changhsi)
neat robin
I got over 400k nuke with my hsi (I use heron zz)
Ik duo dps isnt as high but you get a whole other char doing good dmg too
knotty fiber
that's basically doubling my nuke dmg
the issue is how frequently you do it I guess
opaque flume
Oh ya guys what echos are you guys throwing away
I’m at max echos again and I gotta get rid of a shit ton
neat robin
Everything 3cost that the dmg% doesnt match the set bonus
Pretty much every def 1cost
All hp 1cost in the elemental sets
edgy cobalt
yeah 90 cr with sk is usual
neat robin
yeah 90 cr with sk is usual
90 cr before sk
Thats 102 cr with whatever buffs
Cr main + sig is 46%
5 cr subs 36-50%? Youd need high rolls on each piece
hollow gorge
It already counts buffs apparently. Otherwise Basic Attack% wouldn't be that high. Tbh, a bit misleading
So, probably includes SK buff and others
knotty fiber
90-253 it seems
knotty fiber
Cr main + sig is 46%
5 cr subs 36-50%? Youd need high rolls on each piece
No lol
I have averagely medium rolls and already 70% crate with cdmg cost 4
Crate cost 4 would make that 92%
knotty fiber
If you wanna play Taoqi and Yuanwu
knotty fiber
What
hollow gorge
There will be def scaling characters, there is just no point in preparing for them at this time
It might make sense to go for DEF moonlit, but nah
knotty fiber
I generally can't believe in using any scale other than ATK
because these mfs tend to, idk, use mix
Use mix is the worst thing ever
knotty fiber
I generally can't believe in using any scale other than ATK
Hoyo ruined my expectation
And Kuro is currently following Hoyo's footsteps
neat robin
No lol
I have averagely medium rolls and already 70% crate with cdmg cost 4
Crat...
Ok so cr main and still need cr subs on all 5 to hit 90 cr before skeeper
hollow gorge
I generally can't believe in using any scale other than ATK
Having a 80-90k nuke on SK is pretty decent for me(especially considering it doesn't take time from rotation or like a very small amount). That's like on par with s0 invested Mortefi. And you can get up to 120k nuke with decent aoe to boot
knotty fiber
Idk what amount of buffs you need to reach 120k
But I'm doing 45k in hazard, albeit HP cost 4
If you tell me overdrive/event I'm opting out
hollow gorge
Idk what amount of buffs you need to reach 120k
Basically every echo having 1x HP bonus, CDMG, Lib DMG and ER. So you can get SpectroDMG 3 cost.
neat robin
Same for me
s0 variation hp hp er build
40-50k as well, nowhere close to 100k lol
knotty fiber
Basically sacrificing her healing
knotty fiber
And you don't fken tell me "4 rolls each echo is not invested"
With that amount of investment my Mortefi will hit over 3k/hit
knotty fiber
I think usual is 13k per hit in hazard
Mine is 15k per hit with 218% cdmg and 45k HP
Idr how much lib dmg but probably 20%
opaque flume
Having a 80-90k nuke on SK is pretty decent for me(especially considering it doe...
What the fuck are you doing to get 80k
My ass is doing like 20k
😭
Max
With buffs
And shi
hollow gorge
What the fuck are you doing to get 80k
It's total. Like 26+k per tick for 3 ticks
hollow gorge
Wait not on discernment or whatever
On discernement
knotty fiber
That's the discerment intro
knotty fiber
3
opaque flume
Am I stupid
opaque flume
Not having to deal with stupid ass auras is so nice sometimes
I’m so glad we don’t have to like vape nukes
knotty fiber
And that's about the only dmg source in her kit that scales with HP
opaque flume
opaque flume
And that's about the only dmg source in her kit that scales with HP
Ya
What’s ur crit rate even
For sk
neat robin
Zero
knotty fiber
For the nuke it's not needed
neat robin
She doesnt need any for her enhanced
opaque flume
I thought she gains 100% crit rate with cons
neat robin
I ruined my build I got a cr roll on my new 1cost 
hollow gorge
I mean, that's 80k for free for you rotation. It takes minimal time.
knotty fiber
I thought she gains 100% crit rate with cons
Discernment has 100% crate
opaque flume
I mean, that's 80k for free for you rotation. It takes minimal time.
Ya agreed
neat robin
I had 5/210 now its 14/210 crit
opaque flume
Discernment has 100% crate
Oh ok chill
opaque flume
I might try for some crit dmg subs
knotty fiber
Like "cool"?
knotty fiber
opaque flume
Shit is NOT winter bro it is fal
knotty fiber
Yeah it's still fall but already snowing
opaque flume
Yeah it's still fall but already snowing
Here’s the weather here
opaque flume
In sunny California lmao
opaque flume
Oh that’s where the Himalayas are
knotty fiber
Colorado usually has early snow and ends pretty late
opaque flume
Colorado usually has early snow and ends pretty late
Ya if ur near Boulder or smth I agree
A friend of mine is in ROTC there I would unironically unwfp myself
knotty fiber
I'm in Denver
opaque flume
I'm in Denver
The Denver airport my enemy
❤️
I’ve been to Denver once in my life outside of the airport lmao
And every time I’ve had a stop in the Denver airport I’ve vomited idk
It’s a curse
knotty fiber
Not that I'm going to
opaque flume
I have come there a couple times cuz I used to have to travel a lot
Fun
knotty fiber
Got lost once cuz it was beeg
opaque flume
Denver is nice I might go there over the summer
Well
Not Denver
NREL
Which is just in Colorado generally
knotty fiber
And I have to shove the snow in front of the house every time
opaque flume
The only places I’ve ever lived are the Bay Area (no snow) and London (also no snow)
opaque flume
And I have to shove the snow in front of the house every time
Ya that sounds ass
knotty fiber
knotty fiber
I don't like shoving 16m^2 of snow
Every time
In early morning
Especially when the snow is wet and thicc as fuck like this morning
opaque flume
I like being able to visit snow
I can drive 2 jours
And be at the sierras
No reason to live in them
neat robin
Idk. Lucky it hasnt snowed here yet, out west already got some last week
Its been below 0 basically every night
edgy cobalt
ur from the west provinces damn
spice finch
90-253 it seems
Yes, this is is before SK.I have high cdmg rolls, mostly 19.8. Thats why I use crate 4 cost
knotty fiber
Imagine having high rolls
neat robin
That roughly matches my yao
Cr main + sig
80/250 though cuz I’m missing one cr sub still
I feel like camy is gonna want to hog skeeper for those longer rots than verina
Unless s0 lets you go shorter
Its s1 that makes you go 25s rots?
hollow gorge
Snow looks pretty but it sucks
Snow provides a lot of fun activities outdoors. If you happen to like them
dire river
Chat, left or right for changli?
She has over 80% cr with either
hollow gorge
I would keep the left anyway, in case someday you would want to build a DPS Mortefi
opaque flume
Snow looks pretty but it sucks
Ya I like being able to visit it as I said
hollow gorge
meet up and pull cammy together <:C_HuPepeSmile:919761377449627708>
Meet up in botanical garden for lucky rolls
dire river
Cdmg vs atk% sub, should keep cdmg no?
Not sure
Also does changli want liberation bonus dmg?
edgy cobalt
fr
neat robin
Not sure <:A_HmmTao:791093641565306888>
Also does changli want liberation bonus...
She has decent lib dmg yeah
dire river
left it is then. still will keep right one though. Max roll crit isn't exactly common
neat robin
& good atk% roll
Placeholder for another char til you roll double crits
vapid river
how do we feel about crit rate main state echo for camy?
b/c this game legit won't give me a cdmg to save my soul
vapid river
this is the best i could roll out of a dozen cdmg and two dozen crate dreamless
fuck me
neat robin
3/5 subs at least
Could be worse
I keep rolling er on mine.. ive got like 150 total (though thats with eog)
vapid river
these are the 1 costs i'm using
i've still got no usable 3 costs
it's a toss up between these two
and my 2nd is just non-existent
vapid river
really happy with my 1 costs
yeah i really can't complain with my 1 costs
they will carry her 
knotty fiber
there are 8 grades of a stat
vapid river
i do have this dreamless on my hmc right now
knotty fiber
and 90% of the time I get the lowest 3 grades
vapid river
but like... it's not that good for her
i see 6.3 and 6.9 so much for cr
it's not just you
and 12.6 for cdmg
in fact 3 of the echoes i have on hmc have 12.6cmdg
and the other 2 have 6.3cr
it's fucking dumb
vapid river
and only 2 above 6.9%cr
this game needs to change the weights on cr/cdmg
feels like the bottom two are 80%
chance to roll
a single 9.9% cr
neat robin
I’m the opposite. All double crit 3s and no 1costs
vapid river
wait
does her s2
just turn all heavy attacks into basic attacks
am i reading that right?
knotty fiber
count as basic attack dmg
neat robin
Heavy attacks that deal basic dmg
vapid river
kinda dumb?
neat robin
Its like jiyan lib deals heavy dmg
vapid river
i get that's where you put all your marbles with her
neat robin
And not lib dmg
knotty fiber
I don't think Mort deals heavy dmg
neat robin
Yes
neat robin
Mort is lib% but outro is for heavy
vapid river
knotty fiber
skill
vapid river
he's just there to make my jiyan ult autos go from 9k to 15k
and his ult dmg do over 100k
thanks mort
knotty fiber
speaking of Jiyan
vapid river
you the real hero
knotty fiber
I somehow managed to make Fallacy run even shorter
52s now 
Fallacy is literally there to sell him lol
Kuro the dirty bitch
knotty fiber
I heard fallacy is gatekeeping a lot of ppl from getting 3*
knotty fiber
but for Jiyan it's literally a sandbag
neat robin
I def didny clear in 60s but yeah it wasnt bad with jiyan
knotty fiber
partly because Jiyan is too strong compared to Yinyao and it's spectro so Jinhsi useless
neat robin
Even tho the bitch flies
knotty fiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfnMOySNU0 skip to 0:36
vapid river
i remember thinking "this is the last floor?"
knotty fiber
this run is slightly slower cuz I made a mistake at the end
vapid river
all of left side was kind of a joke
knotty fiber
every floor is a joke
I honestly don't think Jiyan much behind any existing comp rn
if at all
lol
vapid river
knotty fiber
he does have a "nuke"
vapid river
how much does your ult do?
yeah
i was gonna say
when he throws it down
that shit crits for 100K+
neat robin
Hsi is really the only one whos significantly stronger than others at same con
neat robin
100k isnt a nuke compared to 300k but
vapid river
yeah jinhsi is kind of unfair
knotty fiber
meh
neat robin
I meant yao lol
vapid river
granted this was against dreamless
neat robin
Hsi is like 400ks
knotty fiber
if you talk about dmg per screenshot then hsi wins
if you talk about dps I'm not sure about that
knotty fiber
I have polished my Jiyan gameplay
so he feels so much better to play now
the only Jinhsi gameplay that will keep me away from boredom is hyperswap
vapid river
i get enough swap with cal
knotty fiber
never played that mid and will never
vapid river
i need to level the other guy
knotty fiber
vapid river
never played that mid and will never
i was really hype on him on launch
but his playstyle is just meh
he's decently built
but i just stopped after getting yinlin
just couldn't be bothered to try and farm 2 really good sets
and even my yinlin isn't that good
she's missing so much dmg
knotty fiber
I need to probably research on Yinyao more
cuz I can't bear the comp being so much inferior to Jiyan
after so many ppl shitting on Jiyan
vapid river
i mean
yao does big numbers
jiyan does big sustain
they just do dmg differently
if no big number no neuron make lizard brain sad
neat robin
My yao clears faster but hes also better on mobile than jiyan is
knotty fiber
don't get me on how many Qinglongs he does in 1 rotation
knotty fiber
idk
neat robin
Yinyao ends just before skeeper ult
knotty fiber
as long as Yinlin allows I guess lol
neat robin
You can get his 3rd enhanced and outro off to skeeper for hers
knotty fiber
he only has 3 bursts
knotty fiber
the moment you use normal skill after his 3rd eskill, he's out and the next time he ults is when Yinlin finally allows you to use her outro
neat robin
Not at all
Yao is done his own shit in one rot
Ult n / skill /n combo > enhanced > repeat x3 and outro off during his 3rd enhanced
You can use regular skill to cancel anim on his long laser beam attack thing
knotty fiber
after using ult
he gets 3 cubes
which represent how many times he can use his enhanced skill
his forte bar turns into 5-point bar
at 5 points, his enhanced skill is available
I should say ultimate skill
cuz he also has an enhanced skill in normal mode
vapid river
so his ult becomes 3 enhanced attacks?
neat robin
Yeah same thing. Skill changes icon & gets a purple outline
The entire ult is enhanced state
Not the same normals as his generic mode either
Bigger aoe and dmg
His 3 enhanced skills during ult also give the timeslow effect
vapid river
Ult n / skill /n combo > enhanced > repeat x3 and outro off during his 3rd enhan...
i'm assuming the "n" are normal attacks yeah?
neat robin
i'm assuming the "n" are normal attacks yeah?
Yeah
I think the normal skill use is more important if you have sig to maintain its crazy lib% buff
vapid river
okay that feels kinda easy
he does dogshit dmg cuz he's only level 40 with a level 40 weapon
knotty fiber
I still have to use normal skill frequently cuz I have low ER on him
neat robin
Its like 4-5 normals or iirc a dodge counter gives 2 stacks
vapid river
but that doesn't feel too hard to do
knotty fiber
just like the good old Jiyan
vapid river
like the rhythm of skill to normal to enhanced
knotty fiber
ppl often make ER a big problem
when it's not
for supports probably
but for Yao and Jiyan nuh uh
marble charm
oh damn
knotty fiber
winged belfry
i'm assuming the "n" are normal attacks yeah?
His rotation is something like that:
Ult - E - Aerial N (looks like punch)- special Skill
N5 (looks like laser from hand) - special skill
E - Aerial N (same punch) - special skill
Echo swap canceled
neat robin
Nah swap during 3rd special, cuz mech 2/2 or 5pc is better than void
Need the atk way more than electro% when you end up with 150 lib% already
lyric fjord
If i dont have yinlin, is it better to so some quickswap with xy or stay onfield until the 3rd boosted E when paired with havoc rover?
neat robin
You can quickswap. Changli good there too
lyric fjord
I use changli with chixia on my other side :(
Ty though
limber imp
edgy cobalt
probably sanhua and sk/verina
just do sustain -> sanhua -> cammy -> repeat for rotations
opaque flume
Whos after camellya
neat robin
Yin yao rerun
Then its 2.0. Potential gun girl
neat robin
I’m just waiting for her to go on someone elses banner
Hoping lumi is on camy banner but they’ll prob put with xy
neat robin
I havent done like. Any fish/hunt/cook achievements
dusty crown
i got my 200th fish from a random box
at least... it's faster than genshin's
the amount of time needed to get 35 primogems 
dusty crown
better off paying someone else to do it
nobody will do that for just 1 buck 😭 and for 1 buck, you already get nearly twice as many primos
has to be one of the scammiest achievements in gacha games considering it requires you to dedicate time to fish (i.e. it's not passive or semi-passive)
knotty fiber
Rumoured to get all HRover sequences in 2.0
Amazing
S6 of someone I probably won't even touch again at that point
hollow gorge
Good. Someone to run with Anko, since Sanhua is going to Camy
burnt shoal
me randomly checked the echo merge thing since like forever ago so many random echoes to use
woa
neat robin
Am I the only one who immediately sorts echos as I farm them
burnt shoal
i didn't count too much and just went on to craft more 
burnt shoal
How many were usable?
i remember seeing one or two atk% pieces and one of the aero there has aero dmg bonus
and some of the 3 star cost had ER but idk if that is usable
not that much rip
burnt shoal
@vapid river me keep too much I think i keep every single piece from the ER set
and is the only set i farm nowadays
actually me more surprised i barely get atk% 1 cost echo
vapid river
Yeah I've contemplated getting rid of damage type% on that set
burnt shoal
maybe don't have enough or barely to fit for my 3 chars that use moonlit clouds
vapid river
Since I only ever want energy regen
burnt shoal
Since I only ever want energy regen
do u?
cause i use it on like mortefi zhezhi etc
and their guides say moonlit and dmg bonus
vapid river
Yeah the people I use on that set aren't for damage
burnt shoal
so many chars in prydwen use moonlit clouds
vapid river
burnt shoal
and run dps builds
burnt shoal
Yeah the people I use on that set aren't for damage
oh who you using moonlit on
my verina is on heal set i think
vapid river
oh who you using moonlit on
Mort and ZZ
But idgaf about their damage
My jiyan and jinhsi are the carry
burnt shoal
But idgaf about their damage
isn't that the point of moonlit set
the char they swap to gets the dmg bonus
that's why me use moonlit on them
but if u have enough dps to clear without that ig is ok
vapid river
Yeah but the character wearing them doesn't need damage
burnt shoal
oh ic you just want ER
idk my ER is fine or ok on those
so why not just do dmg me think
vapid river
Ye afaik the damage increases based on the stats on the character coming in
burnt shoal
i wish there way to farm specifically 1 cost echo in set
vapid river
so why not just do dmg me think
Ig and my mort is on double fusion, but I think I'm gonna give him an er 3cost
burnt shoal
i really need more atk% 1 cost echo moonlit
not enough to go around for all the semi dps supports that need it
burnt shoal
Ig and my mort is on double fusion, but I think I'm gonna give him an er 3cost
i have fusion built too but it's on encore
vapid river
I didn't really care about the subs on his echoes so he's kinda dog shit er wise
Double fusion on moonlit set*
He's still moonlit
burnt shoal
ohhh
vapid river
Just really low er
burnt shoal
i never thought about it too much maybe my mortefi doesn't have enough er
does he need 250-300
vapid river
I have to cycle through at least 2 charges before I can ult
Just feels slow
Idk
Maybe it's fine
Idk
burnt shoal
ohhhh
burnt shoal
Maybe it's fine
well me have his weapon and it helps a bit
me think i coudl prob try 1 fusion dmg 1 er echo maybee could help a bit idk
vapid river
Ye I got that too, but it's like level 50? Maybe 60
I'm not at pc rn but iirc my mort only has like 40% er max
neat robin
I run mort on 170-180 er I think?
The 5* pistol and moonlit, 1 fusion 1 er 3cost
vapid river
Ye I think an er 3cost would help things
neat robin
Yess
hollow gorge
I have to cycle through at least 2 charges before I can ult
Just do both intro into Mortefi, I one cycle him with like 140-150 er
lucid pebble
knotty fiber
Meanwhile my Mortefi runs 150% ER
The rotation doesn't allow you to utilize 180%
I don't see the point of giving him that much
neat robin
3 more dayssss
I just rolled a cr dreamless got 18 cdmg & basic & atk% subs but no extra cr. 
Gonna have to throw around builds and see whats better ratio overall
neat robin
Hrover piece not camys
neat robin
Fff I forgot the banners end early at end of patch
dusty crown
me trying to 3-star the first floor of the electro/aero overdrive tower with yao
then i give up and try with jiyan and do it one shot with plenty of time left
T_T
knotty fiber
then i give up and try with jiyan and do it one shot with plenty of time left
See
And he's not even as good as he is on 2nd floor
He fken sweeps 2nd floor
dusty crown
And he's not even as good as he is on 2nd floor
had no issue doing the 2nd floor with yao
dusty crown
think the issue i had on floor 1 was just the grouping
which obviously jiyan takes care of
knotty fiber
Some of the mobs were ungroupable per my Jiyan run for whatever reason
also have to mention that he loses a lot of Mortefi dmg on 1st floor
cuz a lot of mobs were fusion
neat robin
The bears cant be. You gotta suck up the balls & bug things and bring them into the bears
neat robin
It wasnt letting you cc them?
knotty fiber
for whatever reason I couldn't group them and the lizards
so I was playing a non-group game
neat robin
I did that floor with yao after it took a min too long with jiyan
knotty fiber
did again
I could cc them at some point
but not always
anyway had 1m30s to spare with Jiyan
vapid river
i think this is my highest crit so far
neat robin
Event stage spoiled me
Like yay I got the 500+k achievement but it was inflated by those buffs
700k yao or whatever
vapid river
is that event still going on
i might have to do that for achieve since i really don't want to farm more gear for jinhsi
she's not even on full double crit
lilac hare
Patch 1.4 will last 50 DAYS, so Patch 2.0 will arrive on January 2, 2025.
8 days More Than Usual
More time to save for 2.0 ig
hollow citrus
Decided to boot the game to test new drivers on a laptop and...hey, the game has been piped and draped into being playable after I've been gone for almost 3 versions. Nice.
neat robin
Yall think camy sig makes her build like jinhsi,
Like atk% 3cost instead of a dmg% ?
vapid river
i wouldn't say i haven't been rolling 3cost atk% in the hopes that i don't need double havoc
b/c i will be getting her sig
neat robin
Like technically both my 3cost havocs are cr cdmg basic%
But jinhsi r1 likes one/both atk% mains idk how much dmg% buffs in her kit compared to camy
edgy cobalt
remind me, sig is 12% atk and 70% basic yes?
if so then you could probably run atk 3cost if its a god piece
neat robin
remind me, sig is 12% atk and 70% basic yes?
Yeah
Hsi is 60% dmg buff sig
This is assuming I even win her 5050 lol
Is there any enka type site for wuwa, or even just if we put our own relics in manually
vapid river
i did see a site to manually enter shit but it just tells you their grade?
like SSS or D
idk if it has any practical use
neat robin
My havoc builds are both shit
hollow gorge
Yall think camy sig makes her build like jinhsi,
Like atk% 3cost instead of a d...
A bit. Jihnsi gets a bit more from her 4cost, but overall I think most hypercarries need EleDmg Atk 3costs
hollow gorge
Like technically both my 3cost havocs are cr cdmg basic%
You just add up all DMG% sources and ATK sources, then see where disparity is
There is no need to guess.
wraith steeple
My havoc builds are both shit
if that's shit my build for her is complete ass
burnt shoal
Patch 1.4 will last 50 DAYS, so Patch 2.0 will arrive on January 2, 2025.
8 day...
so wuwa 2.0 will come out on the same day as genshin 5.3?
knotty fiber
Is genshin new patch released on fri
lilac hare
so wuwa 2.0 will come out on the same day as genshin 5.3?
Genshin 5.3 is on 1/1/2025
wraith steeple
A bit. Jihnsi gets a bit more from her 4cost, but overall I think most hypercarr...
so one dmg bonus and one atk?
neat robin
if that's shit my build for her is complete ass
I’m missing a crit sub on both 1costs with either build (cdmg vs cr dreamless)
neat robin
so one dmg bonus and one atk?
Only if she has sig, 1-2 atk% 3costs
depending on subs
Standard blade wants both spectro 3c
hollow gorge
so one dmg bonus and one atk?
Yes, but in the end better to count your damage sources, ATK and DMG should roughly be equal for max dps
dusty crown
so wuwa 2.0 will come out on the same day as genshin 5.3?
that's surprising
should shorten it a few days instead and drop it before christmas
that way they can capitalize on all the people getting money as a gift lol
instead they want to go right against an archon release ._.
hollow gorge
that way they can capitalize on all the people getting money as a gift lol
Apparently, they don't market the game for westerners (or their marketing is clueless about it). Which is amusing, since global is getting them most revenue for some months
winged belfry
Hoyo has 3 games, and is on 6 week cycle
So at any given week, there is 1/2 chance that hoyo will release another patch
hollow gorge
Well, archon release is not your average patch. It's something a lot of ppl prepare for, for months in advance
winged belfry
Which is something they save for, ergo, won't be spending as much
dusty crown
Apparently, they don't market the game for westerners (or their marketing is clu...
some will save money irl to spend !
and this time, it also happens right after christmas where a lot of kids get money as gift
even teens and young adults
hollow gorge
Which is something they save for, ergo, won't be spending as much
Well, if only ppl had the strong will to save xD Hoyo is not stupid. They release Neuv and Xilo right before, to get those hoarded primos out of the way
winged belfry
and this time, it also happens right after christmas where a lot of kids get mon...
I don't think Christmas is big in China or Japan
dusty crown
I don't think Christmas is big in China or Japan
it isn't, but it is in korea + western world
hollow gorge
I don't think Christmas is big in China or Japan
Indeed. Which is why Wuwa is slow on the uptake and should have considered targeting westerners. Especially since their Chinese sales kinda severely lagging behind
winged belfry
Yeah, Wuwa marketing deparment is as tone deaf as it gets regarding it's position in EN
They've completly fumble all campaigns
hollow gorge
Yeah, Wuwa marketing deparment is as tone deaf as it gets regarding it's positio...
It has been that way since forever.
But for PGR there was a strong support from Chinese. Which is not the case for wuwa
hollow gorge
I don't think Christmas is big in China or Japan
New Year is still pretty big for Japan and it's around the same time
vapid river
I thought certain places in jp celebrated tf outta Christmas?
knotty fiber
so one dmg bonus and one atk?
count your atk bonus (both flat + %) and dmg bonus
then compare
once you convert all your flat into %, compare directly with dmg bonus
the lower one is the one that needs more work on
wraith steeple
count your atk bonus (both flat + %) and dmg bonus
wait so compare dmg bonus (in this case havoc) to atk + flat
?
hollow gorge
I thought certain places in jp celebrated tf outta Christmas?
Nah, they are more invested in New Year
hollow gorge
I thought certain places in jp celebrated tf outta Christmas?
Christmas is more like youths hang out holiday
hollow gorge
wait so compare dmg bonus (in this case havoc) to atk + flat
DMG bonus includes Basic atk for Camy or Lib for HMC
knotty fiber
wait so compare dmg bonus (in this case havoc) to atk + flat
havoc + general + basic atk dmg bonus
every other type of dmg bonus is either useless or negligible
hollow gorge
Well, also should keep in mind that you tend to run hypercarries in their respective Ele bonus scenarios
neat robin
68/237 build.. not sure if I’ll use the cr dreamless or just only use her with skeeper
Is this tower actually easier or did I just use jiyan properly for the first time 
opaque flume
Is this tower actually easier or did I just use jiyan properly for the first tim...
doesnt he get a buff
on that side?
neat robin
He had a buff last time too
Though fallacy flying eats time, scar is just a punching bag
My brain wants me to buy jiyan s1 with coral
I cant test camy before his waveband leaves shop 
Help
hollow gorge
Is this tower actually easier or did I just use jiyan properly for the first tim...
Nah, they nerfed the F out of the Scar in tower xD
knotty fiber
Though fallacy flying eats time, scar is just a punching bag
you see, I did say here a couple times already
but fallacy flying means no shit to Jiyan
it's way too easy to punish that
hollow gorge
they nerfed his dmg and attack speed iirc
Well, they didn't need to buff his ATK speed in the first place lmao.
neat robin
70 pulls for that jiyan and no youhu
Rude game
I want another 4* I will never even use
hollow gorge
I want another 4* I will never even use
Hey, how about not another 4* you will never use, but the first 4* you will never get?
knotty fiber
45s 
neat robin
I’m on guaranteed now which means s3 jiyan, or camy
I guess I’ll save it for camy, dont really like hrover playstyle
Okay here we go. Jiyan mort skeeper
(+88 heavy dmg)
knotty fiber
now learn how to play him properly
I don't know how it's like to play WW on mobile
but it can't be that hard playing Jiyan
hollow gorge
now learn how to play him properly
But why. You get sequences and investment to unlearn how to play properly. That's the only and true way
knotty fiber
oh I don't