・wuwa-lounge

[edgy cobalt]

but it can be a +25 right

[neat robin]

Also did they inflate tower hp. middle tower felt tankier this mew reset

[edgy cobalt]

or has to be one each

[vapid river]

the only thing that matters is that you upgrade/get the sub stat at those times

you could +25 something right now and wait a month

[edgy cobalt]

wait a month

ok

[vapid river]

no

you could

you could it right after

you could wait 4 days

the amount of time after leveling it to +25 doesn't matter

[neat robin]

Upgrade it, or tune it at those exact times?

[vapid river]

tune it

when you get the substat

istg

just open the fucking thing

and read it

😭

[edgy cobalt]

too much text

[neat robin]

It sounds too cope for me to open

[vapid river]

it is pretty cope

[edgy cobalt]

you're too deep in you might as well tldr for us

[vapid river]

it took 5 minutes to understand

it's a very simple concept

[edgy cobalt]

5 minutes too long

I'll wait 2 minutes

[vapid river]

you can +15 it right now

[edgy cobalt]

[vapid river]

and then tune it at x:x7.15

oh or you can do it now

[neat robin]

Only a single def. I was half right

[edgy cobalt]

the manip psyop needs to stop bro

he is not my filipino

[vapid river]

did you just tune all 5 at once?

or did you wait for it to be x7.15

x7.30

x7.45

[edgy cobalt]

15

[vapid river]

it only works for one at a time

[edgy cobalt]

its like the number I saw

[vapid river]

so tune once at

x7.00
x7.15
x7.30
x7.45

or any second divisible by 5

[neat robin]

Literal cope

[vapid river]

i said that before, but like, if you're going to try it at least do it right 😭

[opaque flume]

L

[neat robin]

Sure I’ll try it later

I have like 400 stam to burn through I havent had time to do much more than dailies & event

Are there efficient 1 cost farming routes anywhere?

I need spectro fusion & havoc

[edgy cobalt]

@vapid river

[vapid river]

always the 6.9cr

not bad though

but you could have gotten that at any time

[edgy cobalt]

got ER on +25

[vapid river]

oh

that's actually a dub

hell yeah

4 usable stats, we take those

[edgy cobalt]

nah not really

its a crit rate 4cost

[vapid river]

oh is this for camy?

[edgy cobalt]

useless

needed crit dmg

[vapid river]

you already have cdmg

??

tf?

[edgy cobalt]

crit dmg 4 cost

[vapid river]

oh

[opaque flume]

Aren’t these the lowest possible rolls bro

[edgy cobalt]

even then the low crit rolls

[opaque flume]

Sobbing

[vapid river]

no

6.3

is lowest

[edgy cobalt]

second lowest

[vapid river]

and like 12 something for cdmg

iirc

[opaque flume]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

😭

[neat robin]

I’m too lazy to farm a new dreamless
I think mines cdmg with whatever cr & 19 cdmg and 10 er sub. Good enough

[vapid river]

wait then why did you even level it up?

if you needed a cdmg main stat

[edgy cobalt]

I'll fish another dreamless and do the cope manip again

7 mins

[vapid river]

[edgy cobalt]

I wanted to try and assume it won't work

[vapid river]

i hope it rolls all def/hp

[edgy cobalt]

yeah then I can call the stat manip in wuwa another manip psyop cooked by bigboipinoy

[vapid river]

do you know this bigboipinoy

do you have something against him?

[edgy cobalt]

yeah he's the one that hyped all this up

in hsr and now wuwa
assuming he also does genshit and zz

cuz I remember when I used to play back in 1.x it's been a thing

[vapid river]

there are links that go to it

the zzz/hsr

idk if it's the same person though

[edgy cobalt]

also he's one of us

https://tenor.com/view/pinoy-pride-philippine-flag-philippines-gif-20327958

[vapid river]

oh you're philippino?

is that why you have to hate and disprove using 2 data points

[edgy cobalt]

surely

[hollow gorge]

I assume the theory is not true though. So what they will get is normal results assuming they send also non crit rolls they get, which is a bit of a tall order. But at large sample size should still approximate actual probabilities

[edgy cobalt]

1 more minute lets see if it's low double crit

[vapid river]

alright, let's see the double def/hp%

[edgy cobalt]

guys so echo manip is a 50/50 apparently

[vapid river]

code cracked

all a scam

honestly the fact you didn't hit any hp/def is astounding

[edgy cobalt]

I don't fish for low crit rolls either so I'll just stick to what I usually do

need another piece like this 😋

[vapid river]

is that what everyone else normally does and and scraps pieces when they don't get crit within the first two

[edgy cobalt]

exactly

[vapid river]

maybe a 3rd if the first two are good subs

yeah that's the right way to level echoes imo

[edgy cobalt]

if I have so many then
I'd even fodder +5s

[vapid river]

most consistent

[edgy cobalt]

I think I'll give the crit rate dreamless to taoqi

[vapid river]

better than the nothing she probably has

unless you actually use her?

[opaque flume]

I mean idk the theory might be true

[edgy cobalt]

imagine using the undeniably worse unit

[opaque flume]

You never know

[edgy cobalt]

it could be true, it could never be true

[vapid river]

i saw one video of a guy using taoqi to kill the red bear right after launch

[edgy cobalt]

the reason that works is because dodge counters against red mist enemies deals % of their hp

so I can use a lvl 1 verina and
kill the lvl120 bear ez

[opaque flume]

Ya

I used shorekeeper to beat a bunch of the ones in the new area

Cause she’s tanky and my changli kept teleporting into their attacks

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[torn tapir]

I'm illiterate, and still don't know how to do this after reading the doc 4 times

[vapid river]

here

so not when you dump xp into the echo but when you use tuners to get substats

[dusty crown]

i don't understand how the hell i'm supposed to play yuanwu

his concerto is literally impossible to fill up sometimes

am i supposed to skip his outro before going into jinhsi or what

seems so

apparently people throw verina on moonlit for that reason

rip 😐

[uneven flame]

Yeah you got it. You have to use healing set with him and moonlit for Verina

[neat robin]

Ye

Outro from heron verina into hsi

[lilac hare]

Jiyan mort skeeper feel so good to play damn

[neat robin]

Jiyan er issues are the only thing stopping me from really enjoying it

Everyone else gets ult & outros ready and jiyan is like. Half energy

[dusty crown]

unable to 3-star the middle tower's 2nd stage with yinlin jinshi verina 😐

because of the electro res

[lilac hare]

That could be the only problem yeah, I used him against fallacy and inferno rider on both sides and he got his ult ready just in time. Wouldn’t feel as good if he didn’t ult in time true

[neat robin]

I could buy his s1 with coral but that feels bad

I want to use that for someone who gains a significant dmg or qol boost with s1

[lilac hare]

Is jinhsi someone like that? She shares jiyan’s sig and I honestly want to get her sig. swapping weapons gets annoying after a while

Idk if that’s a common problem but, she doesn’t really crit

The childe of wuwa fr

[neat robin]

Yeah I need more cr on mine too

Thats just chance, sadly

Her s1 does improve dps
And sig is definitely better than jiyans on her (she cant use that heavy% part)

[lilac hare]

Yeah I’ll definitely be getting it then

[dusty crown]

just decided (a few months later...) to check how jinhsi's played, and seems i've been doing it wrong this entire time

xD

was always doing verina outro yinlin outro jinhsi repeat

but seems it's better to use all outros to go into jinhsi 😮

would explain why verina's lib is never ready on time

[neat robin]

Eh

As long as moonlit heron outros into jinhsi its fine

Verina outro into zz (who has heron) then outro into jinhsi is how I do it

[dusty crown]

the problem i have (yinlin has heron, verina reju) is that whenever that rotation ends, even if i go to yinlin for double skill after jinhsi, i always have like 5-6 seconds before verina's burst is available

(and doing verina's stuff takes less time than that :|)

[neat robin]

You’re ulting with verina at the start of rot?

Verina ult skill >yinlin to start building concerto > verina basics(for concerto) bell outro > yinlin forte heron outro > jinhsi combo?

[small bronze]

one more ER hit and i think he will be great

[hollow gorge]

Jesus, how long have you been farming him... And how much HA% do you have?

[small bronze]

actually not long while i used him constantly i didnt bother farming aero% since launch and now ive been just doing 3 tacets to do daily asterites and it somehow popped on

gonna check heavy it might be low

stats are with sig doe

i dont think i will farm him further gotta move on to changli and yao now other than the ER

[hollow gorge]

Pretty decent. I farmed the guy for 2 months and still have slightly worse subs(except HA% which is 27 for me, so I guess we have quite similar DPS on him). Guess he just doesn't want to be run by me

[dusty crown]

I usually do verina ult skill concerto Bell outro -> yinlin ult skill forte heron outro -> jinhsi combo

sometimes i guess it does unsync and i need to build a little enenrgy on verina and consequently do skill ult

probably why

[burnt shoal]

@blissful tulip omg me tightened my rotations and suddenly went from just 1 starring to 3 starring this

[blissful tulip]

Congratulations

[blissful tulip]

Knew you could do it

[burnt shoal]

woa

[burnt shoal]

[burnt shoal]

my zhezhi only hasd 4 pc clouds cause it had a random inferno thing on the 4 cost slot so i just gave it a random cloud set heron to make it 5 pc and for the heron dmg bonus

then suddenly got standard rectifier from standard banner and put it on zhezhi too

so cool my goal was to just 2 star then i suddenly saw my optimal rotations could 3 star it anyway

u really need to know how to rotate properly rip

me have a tendency to swap every 6-8 seconds (more on 6) but u need to stay on the dps for longer than that

or even sub dps

[edgy cobalt]

30 second clear

[neat robin]

Hmm ok so

This is yao rn

I can do this but I’m definitely gonna want to keep with skeeper if I drop cr

[neat robin]

Mm ok this is that first build, with skeepers /heron /sig buff all active lol

[edgy cobalt]

I did the manipulation thing again @vapid river

[vapid river]

historically low values though

i think all of mine where either 6.3 or 6.9

[edgy cobalt]

this poses a rather interesting question
would you rather guarantee lowest double crit rolls every time
or gamba hoping for higher numbers

[vapid river]

unironically

right?

[edgy cobalt]

31.5:63 ratio guaranteed

6.9% crit rate again

[wraith steeple]

im trying get to this level

in which i think im close

[vapid river]

1:2 ratio

[wraith steeple]

and the damage number when you do the ult is?

[opaque flume]

Guys a friend is asking whether abyssal surges or the bp weapon are better

On xiangling

https://tenor.com/view/guoba-genshin-genshin-impact-get-real-gif-23320698

[lucid pebble]

RNG manip

[wraith steeple]

wth is abyssal surges

is that the craftable?

[opaque flume]

Uh the 5*

I think

[wraith steeple]

xiangling>

is what lost me

my bad

ohhhhhhh

[opaque flume]

Xiangli

[wraith steeple]

the bp is better

[opaque flume]

Crazy

[wraith steeple]

it gives him lib dmg bonus

[opaque flume]

I will relay that

Info

[wraith steeple]

srry i dont make the rules

[opaque flume]

Well he has both

I believe

[wraith steeple]

oh

whats is ratio with abyss surges?

[opaque flume]

Idk

[wraith steeple]

his*

[opaque flume]

Bro just asked me

Which is better

[wraith steeple]

id day the bp one

say*

[neat robin]

I got a 330k open world

That was tacet field, best id see before was 270k I think

[neat robin]

BP 4* r5 is better for yao
Cr + lib%

Abyss is just atk stat stick basically

Abyss r1 > bp r1 though iirc

I need to hunt for any single 1cost with double crit & er for yao
The good thing about 2/2 build… can use any random echo in there

[vapid river]

jiyan after buffs

[edgy cobalt]

surges is better, you need like 5 patches to make the bp better or on par lmfao

[neat robin]

Thats basically how long you need to reach standard pity anyways

Unless you already have abyssal

[dusty crown]

yes

i thought the CR% difference wouldn't be made up, but now that i tried it it really is better

[neat robin]

The base atk on 4* is just bad

[edgy cobalt]

65 pulls, or you could get it in the next pull you'll never know

[dire river]

Those are some highroll for subs

[vapid river]

he has verina/mort buffs

that's not what he's like at base

i think he's like 2.2k atk

245%cdmg?

something like that

heavy atk is only 16.5%

he's also s4

i got pretty lucky

[dire river]

Ah. That explains it

[dire river]

I was like Idon't remember verina or mort giving cr/cdmg

[vapid river]

ye

s5 is basically 45% atk increase on intro

for 8 second

and last is 120% dmg increase on ult

but i have no plans on getting him maxed right now

[dire river]

Ye. I heard s6 jiyan is probably the most boosted unit in the game

[vapid river]

his s6 hit for 103k earlier for me on some 90 mob

and was hitting for like 15-20k

on autos

his ult just melts things now

i got s4 in 100 pulls(was literally just trying to get youhu s2)

which i did

[wheat moon]

WHAT

[small bronze]

1 costs farming is only 3 drops right? def hp atk

[burnt shoal]

u can just buy the 2 cons left from shop right?

woa s6 jiyan

so op

[neat robin]

Yeah

[burnt shoal]

didn't we just have this event this patch earlier?

[fiery solar]

anyone have sheet theorycraft about camellya ?

[hollow gorge]

We did, it had primos and monster parts

[lucid pebble]

And 2 million dollarydoos.

[vapid river]

I wouldn't but s4 cons from the shop

[hollow gorge]

Wait, yeah, it wasn't primos

[wraith steeple]

do you have cons on verina or him?

[vapid river]

s4 jiyan

none on verina sadly

s2 lingyang and s2 cal

[wraith steeple]

ahhhh ok cuz i was like how tf are you getting that attack

[neat robin]

I want jiyan cons so bad but dont have the pulls

I just cant make myself buy his s1 with coral, when I could get jinhsi or yaos whenever they rerun (or someone new)

[neat robin]

Got a double crit 1cost finally, swapped him to cdmg mech 🤔

I dont like losing 200 atk though

But gained a bunch of lib% so

-200 atk, -10 cr
+30 cdmg, +19 lib%

[neat robin]

Nvm dmg% rolls much better
Assuming I managed same rot on both tests

Sorta crazy since he goes up to 150% lib dmg in combat already I thought atk subs might be better

[edgy cobalt]

show me a 60 second clear

against inferno in tower

[knotty fiber]

This one is different

The other one was special mat event

[knotty fiber]

Shouldn't result in that big in difference

Something must be wrong

Actually if I think about it
It's 25% increase so probably

[hollow gorge]

Atk might be better, since CR doesn't work in damage per screenshot, so you basically gained +30% DMG with CDmg, which isn't quite true

[neat robin]

Eh. 70/280 vs 80/250 is

Prob gonna be the 70/280

And thats before skeeper
Its more like 80/310 and 94/275 in actual gameplay

[hollow gorge]

80 250 is also better ratio

CDMG is still probably slightly better, but likely marginally

[neat robin]

Its not just cdmg, 19.5 lib% which is like, the dmg he uses his entire field time

[neat robin]

I’ll play around in tower now that I have some free time and see which build I prefer

[neat robin]

If I use verina, the 82 cr is good

Skeeper lets me use the 70 cr build though

[edgy cobalt]

not 1 min smh

nah but like for mobile that’s still good

[neat robin]

I sorta needed the moonlit 1cost so I gave him a slightly worse one but leaving on this build ..
I dont want to be forced to use skeeper with him

[knotty fiber]

Mm nice

They buffed her S6

[edgy cobalt]

not like I'll go for it anyways

[vapid river]

have you done any more manip

[vapid river]

oh

that's actually pog

res skill is huge

still shitty about that flat def tho

[edgy cobalt]

will fish for a cdmg dreamless and see where that'll take me

[vapid river]

so how many duds have you had though?

if you've even been keeping track

[edgy cobalt]

either 1 or 2

make it 3

[vapid river]

oof

[south briar]

You can actually manipulate echos in this game?

[lilac hare]

Oh damn

How does it work?

I’ll try it if it’s something simple

[hollow gorge]

No, the chances of getting either CR or CD in the first three subs is around 40% (Р = 2/14 + 12/14 x 2/13 + (1 - 12/14 x 2/13) x 2/12) assuming equal odds for all attributes. With those chances basically any manip works

Ofc crit has probably 1/2 or 2/3 drop rate of other subs l, so it's between 20-25% for the first crit sub

[burnt shoal]

i got cr and cd on the first two subs 2 times in a row once

was so surprised when it happened

[lucid pebble]

I just roll.

[lilac hare]

Oh wow we will instantly be able to teleport to tacet fields and bosses in 1.4

Instead of nearest teleport

[vapid river]

these QoL updates are kinda nice

just removes an extra dialogue box and click

well, replaces

[lucid pebble]

I don’t have to walk across 1/3rd of a circular room to fight Fallacy.

[pliant heron]

i dislike fallacy

[knotty fiber]

nnn

I kinda feel like I should just make another electro set for Yinlin

ER isn't worth it

her dmg plummets so much

oh

55s run on rider with Yaoi

not bad

I feel like

once the ToA buffs don't favor anyone

Jiyan finds his way back to the fucking top

[knotty fiber]

wait no
the buff is for Yinlin and Yaoi wtf

[knotty fiber]

Jiyan runs 1:01 against Fallacy

provided that he got massive buff from the stage

[opaque flume]

Bro my problem is when fallacy turns into a fent tweaker

And fucking runs around and wastes my time

[knotty fiber]

yep

had to reset a couple times that it doesn't fly when Jiyan is doing some important stuffs

once I managed that, Fallacy became history

cuz Jiyan's break is huge

[knotty fiber]

idk what other comps play out against it, but for Jiyan, the best solution is slow down on the first rotation so it doesn't go into overload when Jiyan is enjoying his downtime

once Jiyan is up again, it's dead

for my 1 min run I had to rush on both rotation and pray it doesn't fly too much lmao

[opaque flume]

Ya I was trying to beat it with xiangli (mine is ass idk why)

[knotty fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtjxQcwSME

[small bronze]

will camelya be good sub dps or for changli or she pure main dps

or will it be other way around

some good changli rolls

[neat robin]

Camy is havoc dps
She wants lots of field time

[knotty fiber]

She is the most restricted dps they have ever released

Mostly deal dmg within enhanced mode

And once you swap, the mode ends

Basically forcing you to run Sanhua

[small bronze]

and why is sanhua good with her

i barely touched her

[hollow gorge]

Basic damage deepen

[lilac hare]

So 2.0 sus banners are:
coletta(?) / zhezhi
Rococo(?) / jinhsi

Oh this is supposedly Coletta

Will probably be our first limited pistol user

Rococo’s initial kit

Hopefully we get some visual crumbs during camellya’s banner

[lucid pebble]

Wuhering Kazoo.

[hollow gorge]

Team Standard can do overdrive. Welp, it would be faster if my HMC echos didn't suck after how many months of playing this game

[spice finch]

What will be my final crit ratio for camellya S0R1 if my artifacts has 60.7:87?

[neat robin]

+24 cr from sig
+16 cdmg from forte nodes

Then + whatever base crit stats are

[spice finch]

Okay so I will have 90:253 crit ratio

With SK, I will end up with 102:278

I might get her S1 to add a bit of cdmg

[neat robin]

I just need to see if I win camy 50/50

If I dont ig I’ll use all those sword mats on hrover

[opaque flume]

Is she first or second half

[neat robin]

Idk first I hope

[dire river]

not beating the gunyaka allegations with that forehead

[knotty fiber]

https://wutheringwaves.kurogames.com/en/main/news/detail/1567

Dream Link

[neat robin]

Love good qol stuff

Team based mechanic seems interesting

[hollow gorge]

Nah, hopefully it won't become a full in-game mechanic

Full screen interruptions during real-time combat is not my thing

Keep these things in turn based games

[knotty fiber]

I mean, there's cinematic intros and liberations

[hollow gorge]

Where they become a good pace maker

[knotty fiber]

but ok

hope that they make a button for it then

[hollow gorge]

I don't really like having those either

[knotty fiber]

you play a game that uses those a lot anyway

I don't see having 1 more that probably won't proc nearly anywhere as much being an issue

[hollow gorge]

I do. In Genshin I made teams that don't need to ulti at all. Hopefully, here too eventually

[knotty fiber]

but
by description I'm sure it's 100% auto proc and will be all area mechanism

and how much I love cool cinematics

[knotty fiber]

oh wait not all area

main event

it will most likely recur later on but for now only 1.4 main event

[hollow gorge]

Well, yeah. But it might get to be a permanent fixture later. I am fine if they make it some character's kit, but pls don't make it a general mechanic

[knotty fiber]

oh if it becomes permanent it's definitely a general mechanic

they are probably releasing it in an event as a test run

idk

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, that's why I ll be giving a negative feedback on this feature

[knotty fiber]

it's an event-exclusive feature that only exists in that event, since it will be archived as a permanent event after the main event period is over

also

I don't give a fuck if you don't like it and gonna give a neg feedback on it whatsoever

didn't have to ping me for it

there's a better thing to give called "constructive feedback"

[hollow gorge]

Interrupting combat flow seems pretty constructive to me

Especially in combat oriented game

[knotty fiber]

the only thing that interrupts combat flow for me was parrying and stance breaking

but apparently they fixed that shit and I don't feel annoyed by it anymore

neither lib nor cinematic intro has ever been my issue

because you have iframe™️ and timestop™️

[hollow gorge]

I can understand why ppl like cinematics and I would generally enjoy them myself as a finishing move which is what they initially were. But having to watch the same cinematic over and over is just boring

The games moved on from providing cinematics as a reward for skillful play to something common and repeatable

[knotty fiber]

guess what

When certain conditions align during combat, Dream Link will activate, dramatically amplifying your team’s combat prowess

and you don't even know if it's repeatable in one combat sequence

💀

"dramatic amplification" doesn't sound repeatable for me especially if it ever becomes mainstream mechanism

[winged belfry]

I think it might be something like a reward for doing certain things they want players to use

[knotty fiber]

yes

there's a set of conditions for it

[winged belfry]

like do 3 intro skills without repeats, and without no-intro swaping, and you'll do special attack that deals a lot of damage and all team memeber will be empowered after it

[blissful tulip]

Seems like a mechanic where you temporarily activate aether gazer mode for the game

[winged belfry]

the what mode?

[knotty fiber]

seems like aether gazer has this mode

[blissful tulip]

All 3 teammates on field, it's the gacha's main standing factor compared to PGR/HI3

[knotty fiber]

I don't play it so idk

but my friends who play AG keep saying that "it's AG experience" or smth

[hollow gorge]

Sure. I just don't fancy it as a general mechanic. This general look and feel is somewhat common in JRPGs and if they stick to game conventions it's not something I would enjoy specifically in Wuwa

[knotty fiber]

the only thing in PGR that requires all 3 on field is probably Da Vinci

[knotty fiber]

thing is you don't and others do
it's a weeb game, and weebs like cool stuffs

[blissful tulip]

Suppose I wanted to clarify, I meant active three

Rather than three on field, but two do their QtE

[hollow gorge]

Sure, which is why I would be giving my personal opinion in feedback, nothing more, nothing less

[blissful tulip]

It's a feature I'm not too sure on in a game like this myself, but I'll see how it plays

[winged belfry]

And how do you control all of them?

[neat robin]

If its for some combat events I think it’d be cool to see your full 3 chars out fighting

Just depends if ai is smarter than coop people

[neat robin]

You dont you control 1 and the other 2 fight & use skills/ults etc

[blissful tulip]

You do not, you control one, with the other two being AI controlled

Waves will likely just retain your ability to switch

[winged belfry]

hmmm

unlikely

[blissful tulip]

Or in the case of this event, an experiment with Rover specifically

[hollow gorge]

You can already see all 3 characters fighting with existing quickswap teams. And that one is already pretty fun and innovative. And skillful too

[blissful tulip]

And you just get to choose the two who accompany you

[winged belfry]

Swaps are too important of a mechanic in WuWa

[neat robin]

I’m trying to remember if aether let you swap mid combat
Been a while since I played it

[winged belfry]

some characters straight up doesn't work withou it

like Changli and Calculator

[blissful tulip]

https://vxtwitter.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1852910281367695488

Now this is very pleasing to see

[neat robin]

I think aether was more like wuwa coop where you can use the party intros but you only use one char

[blissful tulip]

I half expected it to be an event's gimmick

[neat robin]

Basically a better version of condensed

[winged belfry]

We'll

[winged belfry]

is it better? nope

[neat robin]

Sure you dont need to go craft the shit or collect mats to craft them

[knotty fiber]

I definitely think it's better

[neat robin]

So its better

[knotty fiber]

no crafting

[winged belfry]

condensed allows you handle genshin dailes in 45s

[knotty fiber]

and no limited to domain

[blissful tulip]

You will have to use them the next day

[knotty fiber]

once every 2 days

[winged belfry]

well true

[hollow gorge]

Kinda better. It removes all the intermediate fluff. We already have a storage function for resin

[winged belfry]

but I do like that more

[neat robin]

I dont

[knotty fiber]

I don't

butterfly picking is boring

[winged belfry]

I prefer to do 2x5 runs of artifact domain in one day, than 5 runs every day

[hollow gorge]

In Wuwa you don't need to do daily quest at all

[winged belfry]

fonatine spots are like 11 cores in 15s

[winged belfry]

you still need to spend waveplates

[knotty fiber]

spending wp is daily yes

[neat robin]

You barely need to do anything
I do dailies & dont even use stam sometimes

[knotty fiber]

180 waveplates and I'm done for the day

[winged belfry]

genshin allows for having days like 45 s game time

[neat robin]

If you cant spend 5 min in a game why are you playing it

[blissful tulip]

After looking at the footage more closely idt it activates AI control, I think it just repeats intros for a short while

[knotty fiber]

I mean if I run forgery 5 times it's also about only 1:20

[blissful tulip]

We'll see

[winged belfry]

there are days when I don't want to

[knotty fiber]

wym I don't even spend 2 mins on 1 daily

just log in at the right time

:/

[neat robin]

More the stam burning if you’re using it on material domains

[knotty fiber]

5 forgery runs or 3 tacet fields

depends on my mood

[neat robin]

Change will let you use enough stam in just 2 tacet on a ‘bad’ day, thats so easy to do

[knotty fiber]

forgery takes less than 20s each run

[winged belfry]

it's setup dependant

[neat robin]

Idk my brain does not like farming forgery

Will be much nicer with 2x

[knotty fiber]

the reason I hate farming forgery is that I get to see how trash my luck is

1 purple while others getting 2 golds 2 purples

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, at this point I keep wondering why they insist on using stamina systems if they later try to make it as unimportant. Like there is an obvious goal, but it mostly becomes obsolete with QoL. So why not just do a better QoL and not implement stamina

[neat robin]

To prevent unlimited farming

[knotty fiber]

^

there will definitely be fuckers that setup bots/macros for 24/7 farming if it doesn't exist

[hollow gorge]

There are a bunch of other ways to prevent unlimited farming

[neat robin]

Stam restricts to only x runs per day, but you can use all the stam in one go or multiple smaller batches & end up with the same reward

[knotty fiber]

or degenerates that will do it

stamina is there to let you decide whatever the fuck you wanna do with the limited amount of entries

consider it a currency

everything is easier with a currency

[neat robin]

And since forgery costs less, echos cost more etc

[hollow gorge]

Surely I don't need to explain why games don't need dozens of currencies from QoL perspective

[neat robin]

What dozens

[knotty fiber]

and I didn't know 2 is dozens

I guess you can make it 3, cuz the replenish cube exists

waveplate, overflown waveplate, and the gold cube I guess

[neat robin]

Its still all just stam. Just some permanent storage some not

[knotty fiber]

at this point idk why it's being an issue

they're just fine

there are more important issues that need to be addressed and you're nitpicking QoLs

[neat robin]

They still need people to play the game
Its faster but requires you. Yk. Playing

[hollow gorge]

Look at a perfect opposite: souls-like games that have almost a single currency for everything (namely souls). Ofc, the golden middle is somewhere in between

[knotty fiber]

here we go

comparing with souls

[hollow gorge]

No, I am just pointing out an opposite side of the spectrum

[neat robin]

Theres stam. To farm
Credits. To upgrade
Astrite. To pull/buy extra stuff

[knotty fiber]

no like

[neat robin]

Its not complicated

[knotty fiber]

that's ridiculous, comparing with soul

they are on different spectra

[hollow gorge]

Ofc, that was the point. A single currency for everything is on one side. A currency for every little thing is on the other side. A really good solution is somewhere in between

[knotty fiber]

somewhere inbetween does not work at all

in a game that you can

W

H

A

L

E

[vapid river]

ban for spam

[knotty fiber]

shhh

imagine if credits was used for a lot of important stuffs

[hollow gorge]

Yes, then credits wouldn't become mostly obsolete a couple years into the game

[knotty fiber]

which also in turn means it decrease some of the whaling incentives

[hollow gorge]

Wuwa already decreased whaling incentives by having 2 wavebands available from the store. Why implement systems and make compromises after

[knotty fiber]

[vapid river]

waveband just another form of currency(whale currency)

[neat robin]

Its not even a compromise??
Its literally just ‘how fast can I farm today’

Dont use the 2x collect if you dont like it

[knotty fiber]

at this point idk what to say

[hollow gorge]

No, it's not. You can buy wavebands by just playing the game, ultimately

[knotty fiber]

because you seem to want everything in your convenience and not theirs

[vapid river]

or i can buy them by dropping a grand and pulling a fuck load

[knotty fiber]

I'm already seeing this game winning because most of their chars have higher pulling incentives than other games' chars

[vapid river]

i was mainly memeing

[knotty fiber]

so purchasable waveband is one thing

[vapid river]

but wavebands in the shop are def a hoarder/whale currency

[knotty fiber]

they keep making people pulling for new chars is a different story

[edgy cobalt]

if you’re a good giga saver you can probably save up the 360 for that waveband in 4 patches

[neat robin]

Its taken me since day 1 to collect the 360 coral yes
And this is with the monthly sub for extra pulls

[edgy cobalt]

new player, probably just 2

[hollow gorge]

No, I am just pointing out that implementing somewhat obnoxious systems and then making concessions to players via QoL updates is a rather funny turn of events

[neat robin]

So 3 patches for 1 extra dupe

[vapid river]

so like 5 months

[knotty fiber]

4 patches is 6 months

[neat robin]

And you cant buy a new 5* you collect pull one first

[knotty fiber]

half a year

[vapid river]

is it?

i thought it was 5.5

[knotty fiber]

42 days per patch

[vapid river]

heckin weirdos

[knotty fiber]

6 weeks

[vapid river]

i do like this new area

been pretty fun so far

[knotty fiber]

I remember my ass from 1.0 saying I would save for Tsubaki

[edgy cobalt]

super worth!

[knotty fiber]

then I just pulled almost every character

😭

[edgy cobalt]

gotta get your s1 xly

[knotty fiber]

the only one I have skipped so far was Zhezhi

fuck

[neat robin]

Idk who to even use coral on

[knotty fiber]

and her sig and SK's sig

[edgy cobalt]

if you lucksack s1 cam then s2 cam fr

[neat robin]

I want gun dps

[knotty fiber]

I will see if I can S6 her

[vapid river]

i want gun dps too, but i also don't want gun dps

[edgy cobalt]

pray 2.0 saves gun users then

[vapid river]

gunplay in this game is dogshit

[knotty fiber]

chance is frail but

[knotty fiber]

there isn't a 5* yet

just wait

[edgy cobalt]

2.0 gun user is ganyu with double charge shot mechanic surely

[neat robin]

Gun dps might end up being very squishy if they go typically ranger stat spread

[knotty fiber]

parry is obnoxious in this game anyway

[neat robin]

God no not ca gun pls

[knotty fiber]

and they can always cook parrying for gun

[frosty escarp]

https://x.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1852909380452114484

WuWa Universe (@WuWa_Verse1) on X

(1.4) New Combat Mechanism: Dream Link

Enhances the synergy between your Resonators, allowing them to unlock their true potential together. When certain conditions align during combat, Dream Link will activate, dramatically amplifying your team’s combat prowess.

#WutheringWaves

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 3:03 AM

[edgy cobalt]

my mortefi skills will pay off if true

[neat robin]

We dont have zhongli

[frosty escarp]

dreamlink is actually insane

[knotty fiber]

we were talking about it earlier

[hollow gorge]

It's pretty fun though. If Aalto was stronger, guns would be quite pog ngl

[knotty fiber]

take in mind it's event thing

[frosty escarp]

all the characters on field

🙏

[vapid river]

okay aalto is actually fun to play

[edgy cobalt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208158914223542292/1302471552008192124/2qrwkfhsg0r5a0lcg2-1730549346360.gif?ex=67283ca8&is=6726eb28&hm=3d844e76b9a768b058cffaebbe531632790061687e8675a95574a10487a5b722&

[vapid river]

he just does 0 dmg

if aalot was doing the dmg of a jinhsi or jiyan

i'd play tf outta aalot

[edgy cobalt]

aalto the weird unc

[neat robin]

Idk what element I want

Glacio gun would be cool

[knotty fiber]

if we got ultra Mortefi

would have been real nice

[hollow gorge]

I assume many ppl would agree after seeing Aalto+another gun in action

[neat robin]

I would like
Not ult required

Jinhsi so nice for that
Jiyan er reqs suck

[knotty fiber]

nn

well

Jiyan is more dependent on other characters I think

[neat robin]

Trying to charge up yao ult from zero is painful without intros thankfully its fine once the rot gets going

[knotty fiber]

rather than his own energy

I'm doing just fine with 118.4% ER Jiyan

it's just Mortefi

Mortefi is always the one holding back the rotation

[vapid river]

if the other gun isn't mortefi sure i fucking hate this red headed fuck

[neat robin]

Do you feed both outros into jiyan for er?

[lilac hare]

Very nice

[knotty fiber]

has to be though, or Jiyan is gonna be too powerful

[knotty fiber]

nope

only 1

I swap a lot

to use his skill

[neat robin]

Mine is 123 er

How many skills

[vapid river]

my jiyan after verina/mort has like 3.3k atk and like 361cdm

[knotty fiber]

as many as it takes

[vapid river]

heavy atk% goes to like 86?

[knotty fiber]

you don't need to flex your sequences

[vapid river]

okay nvm

311cdmg

[neat robin]

My mort is always ready and jiyan sitting there like 75% er and has morts outro already

[knotty fiber]

if I play right, Jiyan always has ult when I outro Mortefi into him

[vapid river]

i cannot

[neat robin]

Ik you can use skill twice while ult is going

[knotty fiber]

if Mortefi was faster at gaining concerto, then I would have needed higher ER

[vapid river]

sometimes i have to e first

[knotty fiber]

skill first ruins the bar

[vapid river]

i have two, it's fine

[neat robin]

I’ll figure out his rot eventually

I still have the er heron if I dont feel like thinking about it

[edgy cobalt]

erm ackshually you don’t need ER on jiyan at all

[knotty fiber]

I played for you a couple times no?

[hollow gorge]

Having SK and 5* standard on Mortefi actually improves Jiyan a bunch by having slightly longer concerto charging

[vapid river]

excuse me what?

explain

[edgy cobalt]

those who know 8 QL tech

[vapid river]

if mine didn't have what he has i'd be fucked every rot

[neat robin]

It still takes like 4 skills to charge ult

Even if you use 2 of them while in ult mode

[edgy cobalt]

for most jiyan sweats like me 15-20% should be more than good enough

but if you can do 8 QLs in one ult you’d only be good with like
one er sub

[neat robin]

Also this isnt happening. Mobile rememebr

[edgy cobalt]

maybe none

[vapid river]

oh yeah, mine has 16%

tbh if he had a bit more it would be nice

like 25%

but i cba leveling echoes for him anymore

[knotty fiber]

man heron is a fucking menace

[edgy cobalt]

I used to shill the jirokaze guide, now its this one https://youtu.be/OhkKzC1aKR0?si=FaaPa5MRUx55Hn7M

[neat robin]

I farmed way to long for my jiyan and I’m still missing one cr sub

[edgy cobalt]

that jiyan build on pc can do
40-50s clears

[vapid river]

if we're showing jiyan

[edgy cobalt]

same with this

[vapid river]

mine do be missing atk

but almost 2.2k is good enough

[knotty fiber]

I don't really need to use dodge cancel

[vapid river]

now that he's s4 it's w/e

[knotty fiber]

and 18.4% is stil lenough

you can come and see for yourself I guess @neat robin

I can stream

[edgy cobalt]

I am sigless so 61:210

[neat robin]

Id buy jiyans s1 but idk if I’m commited enough to save for more dupes later on

[knotty fiber]

solo boss run

[vapid river]

you didn't even save for it

[edgy cobalt]

me, a jiyan main, also a jiyan fraud

[vapid river]

i'm guessing you pulled skeeper

[knotty fiber]

fake main

[vapid river]

and want to pull camy

[edgy cobalt]

I am happy with my 60-80s clears 😔

[knotty fiber]

oh my god

[neat robin]

Ik actually trying to go to sleep rn
Its not working clearly

[knotty fiber]

I hate using Jiyan and SK against heron

😭

it keeps back dodging out of the zone

[edgy cobalt]

heron the CN speedrun dummy

[neat robin]

I hate like 90% of tower bosses I end up smooshed against a wall of the tower every time

[hollow gorge]

One would think two types of energy would be enough for a combat kekw. Why have sync energy and concerto energy at the same time. Make all concerto energy from three chars into one pool and deplete that pool for this specific mechanic

[vapid river]

yeah this is crazy

[neat robin]

Thats nothin

[vapid river]

mine originally has like 12

[neat robin]

I had yao up to 153% lib dmg in combat

[knotty fiber]

I wish I had put more effort in Mortefi

[neat robin]

Mines shit but I still get over 1k tics so hes good enough

[knotty fiber]

funny how my F4 Fallacy run is faster than my F5 Heron run

[edgy cobalt]

heavy attack mortefi gaming

[neat robin]

Fallacy can die

Stupid thing flying around

[edgy cobalt]

fallacy I think I frauded with a 90s clear

[hollow gorge]

Can't wait for Hologram fallacy. Kekw, that would be obnoxiously fun

[edgy cobalt]

yea 100% I wanna cook another comp

[knotty fiber]

my Fallacy is 61s clear

I recorded a 65s clear run tho

[neat robin]

Was lumi 1.4 with camy or the rerun banner?

[edgy cobalt]

probably rerun knowing them

[neat robin]

[knotty fiber]

I can't do any faster than 75s on heron

sobs

[edgy cobalt]

I want yumi to give me a full on instruction manual on how to work their encore rots so I can cook a CN clear against heron

[knotty fiber]

hnn

18% might still be excess if Mortefi is this slow

[neat robin]

Why is mort causing you issues?

He charges outro mostly with his skill + forte skill and whatever nas inbetween those

[knotty fiber]

not really an issue but he's the one holding the rotation back and not Jiyan's r.energy

[neat robin]

I dont think the 5* pistol gives concerto at least.. just normal er

Isnt there a 4* concerto pistol? Idk how much dmg youd lose

[knotty fiber]

yeah but cadenza also has 20s or 25s CD idr

which is long af

[neat robin]

Same as variation no?

Should be fine if skeeper/verina is using vari
Mort can use cad

[knotty fiber]

the difference being rect users' dmg suck in general

supports that is

and the free 5* one also sucks

Mortefi actually has dmg so it's not worth using Cadenza

[hollow gorge]

ZheZhi has pretty pog damage with Stringmaster

[knotty fiber]

I remembered her after I typed out that

[hollow gorge]

After I get a good Cryo set for Gunyaka I might try solo ZZ with it in ToA. ZZ is pretty good at zoning enemies with her skill

Lmao

[neat robin]

I didnt get a youhu
At 50 pity now I’m not risking more

I dont think I like her enough to waste coral on, rather get lumi later (if she goes to shop too)

[knotty fiber]

the solution is don't let it fly

it's actually really easy with Jiyan

for others, idk, good luck is all I can say

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, Jiyan just needs to catch fallacy punches in his ult

[knotty fiber]

Fallacy just can't even fly on my runs

[hollow gorge]

Fallacy was somewhat obnoxious against my Encore. But refreshing encores skill with every dodge was super fun.basically encore can do like 8-10 skills during her ult on mobile. Likely even better and more fun on PC

[vapid river]

you know what's crazy

i have music turned off

and this end cutscene with rover and skeeper

is just them quitely poking keys

[knotty fiber]

Jiyan so good against Scar floor in overdrive

a bit shit against Rider cuz fire

fine

[neat robin]

I used yao for both floors on that side of overdrive

[knotty fiber]

I used him at first

cleared 1st floor with a few seconds left

then I tried again with Jiyan

[neat robin]

Waiting on camy to go back to middle tower to retry for the last 2 stars

[knotty fiber]

35s excess

I feel like Jiyan comp is just stronger than Yaoi comp on every aspect atm

[neat robin]

Cc maybe

[knotty fiber]

even against 1 boss

with favor on Yaoi's

case in point: F4 rider

[neat robin]

Yao yinlin does more for me

[knotty fiber]

Yinyao does 5s slower for me

[neat robin]

s0 5*s with sigs

[knotty fiber]

58s and 53s

Yinyao S0 with sig

S0R1 Jiyan + S6R1 Mort

incomplete built mort

but he's fire anyway

so

basically Jiyan was doing it with 1/5 Mort dmg and almost no ToA buff

[neat robin]

My jiyan is 15k tics, yao can do over 200k just from intial hit and yinlin actually does something there

Overdrive buffed yao too ik there was 300k ults
Cant remember jiyan on that first floor but I gave up cuz he couldnt clear fast enough

[knotty fiber]

Jiyan claps every floor from F4 on in this

[neat robin]

Overdrive, not event fights

[knotty fiber]

ah

same anyway

claps Yinyao both floors

disadvantage on 1st floor cuz Mortefi is fire and 1st floor has a lot of fire

[neat robin]

Even though rightside floor 1 favoured aero, yao did better
Floor 2 wanted electro so obv yao there

[knotty fiber]

it just suggest aero and electro for the sake of the 2 being recommended

[neat robin]

Ik 1st was for jiyans cc
2nd was yao vs single boss

I did get over 700k ult with yao in event fight yesterday (I forgot to do todays, I’m not getting any notifs for it) so that was fun at least

Or the day before idk. Only notifs for the daily points event

[knotty fiber]

who even talks about event 💀

also enemies in overdrive seem to have hyperarmor

can't cc them

just tried cc-ing them with Jiyan earlier, didn't work

yet still did better

[hollow gorge]

Why wait for camy if you can just

[dusty crown]

am i supposed to level up rover for camy

[hollow gorge]

And it's super fun. Anko plays like Danjin, E spam, but without HP draining

[dusty crown]

cause right now she's just a dreamless bot for the first two floors of each 4-floor towers

[hollow gorge]

No, likely Sanhua

[dusty crown]

good, already done

friendship ended with encore

[hollow gorge]

Now you need to level up Rover for Encore 😂

[dusty crown]

i'll have 5 main dps with cam

amongst them encore can sit

getting youhu would have been nice to free skeeper from XY/yinlin tho

[hollow gorge]

I will remember maining Anko just as well as I remember maining Keqing

[dusty crown]

hope camy is strong enough to complete that dumb tower havoc/fusion tower while running with baizhi

[hollow gorge]

You can run Baizhi with Jihnsi. Even like that I did her tower 1st or 2nd try

[dusty crown]

or i could reset the run i did with verina/jinshi and try with verina/baizhi.

feel i'm gonna miss 6-stars with jinshi yuanwu and baizhi tho 😐

[hollow gorge]

Should be doable if you have JS sig or s1. I have neither, but have ZheZhi, so should be around the same, since YW works pretty well

[dusty crown]

building concerto with yuanwu

[edgy cobalt]

marcato bot

but his outro is useless anyways I just let verina do the job in building outro

[hollow gorge]

It's Baizhi, Yuanwu, Jinhsi

[edgy cobalt]

baizhi

[burnt shoal]

woa https://vxtwitter.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1852909380452114484

[vapid river]

4 cubes

on a real note why won't this frostbug die?

i just hunted all the others and they died with no issues

i shoot him and he just burrows again

i've tried from the other side and above

i've tried restarting my game

is this a known a bug?

nvm it died after being hit 40 more times

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, if it's in water, its hitbox is mostly below water and gun hits register on the surface. At least that happened for me

This is especially obnoxious with burrowing rats lmao

[neat robin]

Not wasting all the sword mats on hrover if I win camy
I’ll use them on him if I lose

[lilac hare]

Finally, my first time getting 30*

Changed my jinhsi 4 cost for one that had more atk%

Instead of er

[knotty fiber]

Why yew standing from this side

You need to shoot the tacet mark on its back

[hollow gorge]

Аh it's that guy. I thought it's a different usual ground worm, I forgot about smaller ones

[vapid river]

All of the other ones I just shot and they died

Ig it's possible I shot 9 of them in the back the first time I saw them

[hollow gorge]

You are playing a wrong game You are Dragonborn. Natural born stealth killer (because nobody uses shouts if you can oneshot a dragon from stealth)

[vapid river]

Fus roh da

Or was this a dnd reference

[hollow gorge]

Skyrim ref

[opaque flume]

Have you tried hitting it in the place ur supposed to hit it

[vapid river]

it's already dead

and yeah

i did a circle on it

i even went above it

it just took like 5 minutes

for w/e reason

[opaque flume]

I mean

There’s a spot you hit

And it dies

[vapid river]

i hit many spots

cat

i shot all of the other ones

in one shot

and they died

this was the only one that it didn't happen that way

it did eventually die though

[opaque flume]

Interesting

[vapid river]

it was weird

[opaque flume]

I just shot the spot on all of them

And they died

You hit the little mark on their back

It tells you in the tutorial to do that

[vapid river]

i'm not 100% sure what you're expecting to get out of this interaction

it's already dead

how many times do i have to say that?

i shot it literally upwards of 100 times

in various positions and angles

are you trolling me?

are you being an asshat?

like what's your goal here cat

sometimes games bug, which is more than likely what happened in this situation

[vapid river]

like what makes you, after me telling you its dead and that i had already shot it from multiple different directions, say this

there's realistically no reason to say that unless you're being an ass, yeah?

[opaque flume]

I am instilling a teachable moment to read the instructions in a game fr

[vapid river]

so you're being an ass

none of that information helps me when i already know how to kill them cat

it wasn't dying the way it was intended to

i killed fuckin 9 of them before that one

just fine

do you think my iq is single digit?

[opaque flume]

You made it sound like you didn’t know there was a spot to shoot

[vapid river]

that's you assuming some wild shit

considering i said the other 9 died just fine

[opaque flume]

I mean I thought you just got lucky

[vapid river]

why would you think the one time it isn't working it's my fault?

getting lucky 9 times in a row when shooting it in one spot is what kills it

brother

[opaque flume]

Cause I killed all of them fine

[vapid river]

[opaque flume]

Idk bruh you seem like generally a pretty lucky person

4 jiyan in 50 pulls or whatever

[vapid river]

100

that shit doesn't happen to me often

but luck aside

[opaque flume]

Idk bruh

[vapid river]

you're an asshole

[opaque flume]

Bluckade

[vapid river]

stop being an asshole

[knotty fiber]