・wuwa-lounge

[dense elbow]

At least personally i dont feel enemies hit significantly fast enough from my gameplay that itll be a huge issue. They hit hard but not necessarily often for me. I can see the concern but id take 3 hits of dmg reduction over 0 if i wanted it and the extra IR means she wont get hit out of the animation

[knotty fiber]

with that said, that's "if the spinning is her main source of dmg"
idk, maybe she uses other moves as her main dmg

[dense elbow]

Also depending on the team you may be able to fully animation cancel it

And cast it from off field

[neat robin]

Like encore skill does?

[dense elbow]

Depends how badly she wants amp from say danjin

[dense elbow]

Like how any skill does if you swap when using it

[knotty fiber]

she should be on the field most of the time cuz the mode is only 15s

and 25s CD

First Day Bloom has 25s CD

[dense elbow]

Mhm altho that doesnt stop swap cancelling being an option unless ur relying on amp effects

[south briar]

We simply move with Sanhua (no)

[neat robin]

I meant more about like how long encore skill lasts
Shes on field invincible for basically all non-ult time

[edgy cobalt]

sanhua relationship with encore ends 😔

[knotty fiber]

I'm thinking of Sanhua too cuz

[dense elbow]

Jinhsi used a lot of swap cancels for optimal rots before zhezhi

For example

[neat robin]

Sanhua or danjin for her though?
Basic vs havoc

[dense elbow]

Idr which one was higher in raw number?

[knotty fiber]

from what I see

[south briar]

It's the same value no?

[knotty fiber]

she has a lot of basic but a lot of her stuffs aren't basic

[dense elbow]

Probably danjin then ig?

[knotty fiber]

ult and enhanced skill aren't

[blissful tulip]

Danjin has higher personal dps imo, but Sanhua has a much faster Concerto

[knotty fiber]

her enhanced skill hits hard

[south briar]

Sanhua is higher. Surprised

[neat robin]

38% basic or 23% havoc

[dense elbow]

Yeah altho danjins isnt significantly slower in comparison

[dense elbow]

[blissful tulip]

I'd say Danjin

[dense elbow]

Makes sense but

Hmmm

Noticable difference

[knotty fiber]

their personal dps won't matter imo

[dense elbow]

Yeah

[neat robin]

Possibly dependent on what cons your sanhua danjin are at

[knotty fiber]

but 15% additional amp is big

[edgy cobalt]

both s6 danjin/sanhua gives 20% atk buff to the whole team so

[south briar]

Danjin until s2 where her heavy counts as basic or some other nonsense. I forgot

[knotty fiber]

just need to consider how big it is to forfeit ult+eskill amp

[edgy cobalt]

sanhua is way easier to rotate too

[neat robin]

Danjin cons are all selfish til s6 20% atk buff

[dense elbow]

Even just from a survivability perspective lol

[edgy cobalt]

even idk how long it takes for danjin to rotate ngl lmao

[blissful tulip]

It's doubtful I'll get Cameylla but if I did, I'd use Danjin

[blissful tulip]

All she needs is to get half her bar and hold CA

[dense elbow]

Hmhm

[blissful tulip]

That's a full concerto with no fav required

[edgy cobalt]

seems decent

[dense elbow]

Not reliant on ult which is nice too

[neat robin]

Actually they both are
Cons on sanhua and danjin dont matter much til s6

[edgy cobalt]

my verdict rn is
use danjin if sanhua is occupied for encore in 3 team content
otherwise, use sanhua

[knotty fiber]

no matter which one I use I need to build them

cuz I have nothing on them rn except echoes

[neat robin]

I only have one emerald
Time to get camy sig

[knotty fiber]

[neat robin]

Wouldnt camy danjin both want havoc sets

Thats what she wears in hrover danjin duo

[knotty fiber]

idk if they really need Overture

[blissful tulip]

I'd personally use 5pc energy

[knotty fiber]

or Emerald is fine

[knotty fiber]

cdmg atk atk atk atk

that's what I have for my energy set

everyone uses it

end of story

I can't be bothered with all the dmg bonus

[neat robin]

I have 3 different moonlit sets 🙃

Yinlin zz/sanhua and mort

[dense elbow]

With cam probably altho with hrover danjin both run dreamless rn lol

[blissful tulip]

I just use whatever build works for them and roll with it, my priority with the second teammate is Heron Bot unless they're invested enough to out damage the potential gain

With the third teammate being a turtle bot

[south briar]

I'd use echos if i could lebel them

Level

I always feel pooe

[dense elbow]

Aight back to clqss lol

[blissful tulip]

I mainly run this because I don't own and particularly like quickswap , mainly because I haven't played around with Changli much

[knotty fiber]

that's all I have

my luck on echoes is terrible so I need to be cost effective

[neat robin]

My zz is 70/250 ishh
Yinlin 60/260 (before her passive)
Mort 75/200 (he got neglected)

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

[south briar]

I wish I could play quickswap without my pc dying

[neat robin]

All on their own moon sets

[south briar]

Or play wuwa without my pc dying

Man I need more ram...

[knotty fiber]

they said echo preset is in development

but idk when it's coming out

[south briar]

Like a load out?

[knotty fiber]

yes

[neat robin]

Ooh

[lucid pebble]

Y’all swap sets?

[knotty fiber]

I do

[neat robin]

Only between zz and sanhua

Otherwise I swap string & variation around

[lucid pebble]

Also when Camellya segs?

[knotty fiber]

if they can make the one like HI3

then it changes your weapon as well

plan consists of weap and echoes

[blissful tulip]

It's a great system but I'm much more comfortable with the traditional rotation you'd have seen in HI3 and PGR

Bit of a shame the game doesn't encourage it much , but that's just a personal thing

[knotty fiber]

PGR's traditional rotation gets boring tho

there's no spiciness to it

[blissful tulip]

True, but Waves' combat is dynamic enough for me for the traditional rotation to still remain fun

Kuro hasn't gone all in on the cinematography aspect of the combat yet

[knotty fiber]

I wonder

if I go S6 then would I prefer Danjin or Sanhua

I guess it doesn't matter cuz they just die regardless

[edgy cobalt]

just dodge

[blissful tulip]

I'd say Danjin

More universal buff for Cam's kit

[knotty fiber]

·普攻、下落攻击、普攻蔓舞、普攻旋舞、闪避反击、闪避反击偿赎、共鸣技能红椿盛绽、共鸣技能黯蕊猎心的伤害倍率提升50%；
·施放共鸣技能一日花时，清除所有红椿·蕾，每层红椿·蕾使伤害倍率额外提升5%，最多可额外提升50%

I wonder if the 50% below is on top of the existing 50%?

[edgy cobalt]

when I translated it mentions additional so

what sequence is this again?

[knotty fiber]

额外提升 does mean additional boost yeah

it's forte

[edgy cobalt]

oh whoops

[knotty fiber]

so

100% multiplier boost on forte

and 150% multiplier boost on S6

[edgy cobalt]

atk 3cost might be potential move

esp with sig

[knotty fiber]

I think if you factor the ESkill and Ult dmg in then it's not much different

since a lot of her dmg bonus doesn't affect those 2

[edgy cobalt]

so perhaps whichever gives better subs in that case

[knotty fiber]

yeah

I'm pretty much done

all of the ATK% cost 3s rejected me tho

I might need to remake these cost 1

I have 4 but none of them is spefically great for her

[torn tapir]

Do we know what f2p weapon Cameylla wants

[knotty fiber]

Emerald you go

[torn tapir]

Is that some I can get from a selector or is it gacha

[knotty fiber]

std 5*

[torn tapir]

Should I prefarm Emerald, or cope for Cameylla sig

[dense elbow]

4 stars just kinda outside of bp s5 altho idr the passive on that off the top of my head

[knotty fiber]

increase basic and heavy dmg by 20%

can't stack

S5 is probably 40%

[dense elbow]

Eh thats not terrible ig

Just not 5 star level

At least she can use it unlike jinhsi lol

[knotty fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqvAjBOQsc the fact that Ru has more view than the official

[lucid pebble]

BP weapons scale more than 2x on refinements.

[knotty fiber]

oh

yeah

it's 64%

[edgy cobalt]

will have to refarm for ba% now

[lilac hare]

Are we getting a new area in 1.4?

[knotty fiber]

Mine only has 16% BA 16% lib

Kek

[blissful tulip]

Unlikely

We have a new Illusive Realm environmental piece

The rest is 2.0's job to carry

[lucid pebble]

When does Cam release?

When does the seggs happen?

[spice finch]

How long is camellya skill?

Like how do you end it? And does she stay in one place? Or can dash?

[edgy cobalt]

would just forward you the tldr kit at this point if you have such questions https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/s/ysjCym3En5

[edgy cobalt]

still more than a month to go

[knotty fiber]

skill? which one?

she has like 3 skills

[small bronze]

im surprised that so many people like her i feel left out

but then i look at my changli and i

[iron wadi]

i like changli better

[small bronze]

im happy i wished with my leftovers at her end day so im rocking c1 + sig

i will pull with what i got but im only 40 pity so far without guarantee

[knotty fiber]

I have set my eyes on her since 1.0 so

[small bronze]

also are we getting another exploration region in 1.4?

this one seems small?? or am i trippin i just did half of it very quick

maybe both added up do look alike mt firmament

[torn tapir]

How much of a damage increase is Shorekeeper over verina for Cameylla?

[edgy cobalt]

safe to assume few second diff like every other case

[leaden moat]

What camellia signature weapon like ?

[edgy cobalt]

24.3% crit rate
gives 12% atk and up to 60% basic dmg bonus

since each basic gives 1 stack of 12% up to a max of 5

[serene ember]

Wow, They use that Fan made QoL by a Twitter User suggesting they should added that. I wonder if the Guy would notice it after hearing his Feedback, Because it became True now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94QpqinDX38

[serene ember]

https://fxtwitter.com/WutheringMedia/status/1813956557018906690
And now it is Real.
From a Post July 18th 2024.

[dawn willow]

Oooh that's pretty nice

I saw some suggestions im the replies (for a different post) that mentioned a way to immediately discard or lock it (smth similar to hsr's maybe?), w/ going to the backpack. I hope they improved it more in the future

I'll prolly add that to my suggestion box as well when the surveys in 1.4

[blissful tulip]

Very nice

[knotty fiber]

my wrists hurt

this is probably the wildest thing I have tried so far

I cleared Fallacy in 1 attempt tho which was relieving

[south briar]

Imagine being able to play the game without freezing from horrible pc specs (I'm poor someone sponsor me)

[neat robin]

I havent found any improvements for encore echoes
I dont wanna retry overdrive til then

The 16/18* I see on my map feels like its mocking me though

[knotty fiber]

Left

Right

I literally forgor who Encore was during this

[neat robin]

Yeah I have 6* with hsi and yao teams

Encore sanhua was ROUGH 4* best its getting on mobile for now

[blissful tulip]

I'd love to do the right tower but my echo luck is abysmal for Yao

Likely due to thunder set

Maybe running tunes could be better

[knotty fiber]

I wanted to try Jiyan on right tower

but for some reason the devil told me to try Yaoi

it probably could have been better if I used Jiyan

[blissful tulip]

Feels like they created the right tower specifically for the guy

[neat robin]

Jiyan first half yao 2nd

But my jiyan didnt do enough dmg

First floor with yao yinlin and the mobs scattered all over but managed it in the end

[neat robin]

I did it with 2/2 build yao

[rotund drum]

yaoyao

[edgy cobalt]

they should just make tower harder

[neat robin]

No thanks

Or change pc tower idc
Mobile is fine as is

[hollow gorge]

It's kinda easy on mobile ngl. And my Jihnsi is s0r0, so as soon as I get her s1r1...

[neat robin]

Bruh of course jinhsi makes it easy

Theres 2 other towers to do without her

[hollow gorge]

If you mean overdrive, it's fine. But the biweekly ToA is pretty easy. I don't mind though, I want to be able to finish it in 1-3 tries, and not mald it everytime

[dusty crown]

now we need a LEVEL UP AND TUNE button

[hearty swift]

is camellya jinhsi level?

[edgy cobalt]

as of now she holds a candle to jhsi

[hollow gorge]

According to? Is it a consensus among the beta testers? I don't think you can infer it from the current available info

[edgy cobalt]

mostly consensus in stormy/minmax server

just looking at the kit yourself you can tell she’s definitely gonna be on the fence for t0 for prydwen shills

[hollow gorge]

How many independent sources are there, if it's more than 2 at least, could be meaningful

[edgy cobalt]

oh mb, literally no “official” source

gotta hit you with the “trust me bro” on this one

[hollow gorge]

Well, unofficial is fine, as long as they source information independently

[edgy cobalt]

I’m confident with this notion though, source is myself

[hollow gorge]

Looking at the kit, she supposedly has a movement disadvantage during her main DD state, so she better be good

[neat robin]

I’m fine if shes somewhere between changli & jinhsi
Still dont wanna see tons of hsi-levels seeing as they already buffed tower just from one

[edgy cobalt]

yea you’ll have to thug it out, but you can dodge

at least she has interruption resistance

imagine having that mechanic locked onto a character’s S1 I wonder which one has that

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-silence-changli-lucki-wuthering-waves-gif-14451519506469119655

[hollow gorge]

I hope devs learned their lesson from Jiyan, who has a disadvantage during his DD state

[neat robin]

Jiyan takes so much dmg during ult or you dodge and lose dmg 😔
I love him but kit could use fixing

[edgy cobalt]

jiyan is still holding out without a sweat he can still net 40-50s clears

[neat robin]

Mine is shit then
Even with a good build

[edgy cobalt]

hop on controller when

[hollow gorge]

Not on mobile

[neat robin]

Anti mobile char being one of my favs
Feels bad

[edgy cobalt]

peeps are learning to ani-cancel during his ult

its funny cuz jiyan on paper should be mobile friendly since you just hold the attack button and he goes swishing

but in reality I have to use the most hands to make him deal optimal dmg

only to get a filthy 90s since sigless

[neat robin]

ikr

Actually maybe I should try jiyan with skeeper

I havent tested that yet just used verina

[hollow gorge]

The main problem is that he latches to a single enemy. And to counter act that you need either positioning shenanigans, restart shenanigans or focus switch shenanigans. First and last are quite mobile unfriendly

[neat robin]

I have my focus thing riht next to the movement pad

But once you focus on something you gotta spam it til it links to what you actually want

[edgy cobalt]

I feel you, xiangli yao literally solves all this

[neat robin]

I love yao

Ugly fashion sense idc
Fun

[edgy cobalt]

he looks generic but looks are deceiving

literally makes calculator eos

[hollow gorge]

How, I skipped the guy for now

[neat robin]

I really like yaos animations

[edgy cobalt]

he doesn’t pull but his aoe is way better than jiyan’s especially with his ult having a lot of coverage

[neat robin]

His enhanced skill teleports him to the enemy you’re fighting

[edgy cobalt]

slows down enemies

[hollow gorge]

Yeah, this sounds helpful

[edgy cobalt]

granted I usually run yinlin and have both their sigs, I can net similar to better clears without sigs

[hollow gorge]

I would really like Jiyan to deal less damage, but his Loong proc offield copium

[neat robin]

.. less dmg?

[edgy cobalt]

fraudyan pensive

[spice finch]

Any1 with pic of camellya matls for level 90 ascension and weapon?

[edgy cobalt]

@spice finch

just hit the link and you’ll see mats

[spice finch]

Okay. I'll calculate fot the talent matls. Which should I max out?

[edgy cobalt]

feeling inclined to say all of them ngl

phone at 2% boutta dip

[spice finch]

Is the black shore underground area permanent?

I just started the quest

[hollow gorge]

Yes

[vapid river]

@dense elbow guess the set and main stat of this 3 cost

[neat robin]

Thats a healer set piece

[vapid river]

i'll give you a hint it has nothing to do with damage

it is in fact a healer piece

i hate this game

[dense elbow]

🤝

[vapid river]

i've yet to get another healing main stat turtle too

they do still exist right?

wait does skeeper even want healing turtle?

i just assumed

she probably wants the new 4cost huh

[dense elbow]

new one does give 10% ER

but

i think theyre pretty interchangable personally

also 10% ER is a whole extra substat

[vapid river]

like an er buff when you use the echo?

i still haven't done the new area

been kinda dedge on wuwa

[dense elbow]

same 😔

[neat robin]

Yeah fallacy gives 10% er after use

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-camellya-ult-resonance-liberation-gif-15653727509469891081

I would be exploring black shores.

But not-Persona 6.

[neat robin]

Do I gamble this for cr sub

Low roll idc

[blissful tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvIZ-KBGPqE&ab_channel=Awchill

Seems like another hypercarry rather than quickswap

Could change hopefully

[dawn willow]

Always remember to add those in the suggestion boxes in the surveys

Imma do mine as well

[spice finch]

Done with the new quest and ended up pulling for shorekeeper 🦋

Good thing I won 50:50 in 30pulls

[neat robin]

How important is er cuz both 1 costs have cdmg er, but no cr

[knotty fiber]

Idk who to give her if she's meant to hyperswap

Cuz swapping means sacrificing the buff

[neat robin]

You might do double dps with hrover or encore then

Or like the yao changli quickswap there is rn. Just wahtever on outros

[spice finch]

Whats talent priority for SK?

[marble charm]

Intro

And thats all

You dont really need to level anything else

[knotty fiber]

You don't need intro lol

You need ult and skill for healing iirc

Intro dmg is absolute trash

[knotty fiber]

Honestly for me, I might as well not swap at all

Cuz mine is gonna be over S2

Idk if I can reach S6

[neat robin]

Damn

[edgy cobalt]

[neat robin]

I have enough coral to buy s1
Idk I think I’m waiting for somebody different

I’ll just go s0 and prob have to deal with eog

[spice finch]

Okay then I'll level up skill, liberation, and intro

But if intro, do I need cdmg circlet instead? To maximize dmg

Nevermind, intro dmg is neglible for S0 healer build.

[edgy cobalt]

imagine having enough coral

[neat robin]

Is that new 4* an event or gacha?

[marble charm]

Most likely an event weapon

Mainly because of this

[neat robin]

Hm

I have eog too already
Gonna skip sig as good as it looks.

[neat robin]

Genuinely though. Can I get rid of er subs for cr or will it be too much dmg loss at 0 er for ult?

I do want to get better 3costs anyways but both are double crit so I’m less concerned

[knotty fiber]

Doesn't really matter

Ult is like 25% of your dmg or less

[neat robin]

Ok good

[knotty fiber]

You can have it, or ignore it

[neat robin]

That means I can get to 75/270 after I fix 1 costs

[knotty fiber]

For me I still keep the subs cuz I can't ge arsed to make more for Hsi

[neat robin]

Its 85/225 or 63/267 atm

Id prefer cr over er so I dont miss nukes

[blissful tulip]

I wouldn't have minded another attempt at a hybrid like Changli, good in both roles

Thankfully there's plenty more to come

[knotty fiber]

Does intro stop the timer

I forgor

But from my memory it doesn't and neither does parrying

There's delay but timer doesn't stop which sucks

[blissful tulip]

Iirc it slows down time for a very short period but doesn't stop it, and for characters with enhanced intros you spend around 2s

[opaque flume]

Wuwa is so beautiful bruh

Very cool

[spice finch]

For Sanhua moonlit, do we need glacio/glacio or glacio/ER?

[neat robin]

Glacio. Or atk if you share over multiple element supports

Just a couple er subs and she has enough for ult every rot

[lament shuttle]

This assumes full stacks on passive right

[marble charm]

No, it assumes however many stacks of the buff she would have at that portion of the rotation

[lament shuttle]

Ok wow her sig is basically inline with other sigs

17% over standard

[dusty crown]

so changli's sig works better ? :_:

nvm im dum

only looked at crit lmao

[neat robin]

Why am I struggling to fix 1costs more than I find double crit 3costs

This is backwards

Jinhsi and my havoc set.. double crit 4cost & 3costs, single crit on both 1cost

[knotty fiber]

I now have too many cost 3s in my inventory

cuz tacet field gives a lot

and almost no cost 1

and cost 1 doesn't have any selector either

[opaque flume]

What weapon/echos should I use on sanhua

[opaque flume]

I swear they roll worse

My subs on my 1 costs are significantly lower than my subs on 3 cost

I swear

[neat robin]

Emerald if you have, moonlit & heron

[opaque flume]

Don’t have a second one lol

[opaque flume]

Doesn’t heron take forever

[neat robin]

Hold heron & can outro off midair

It keeps flying and hits enemy

[opaque flume]

Alr

[knotty fiber]

I gave up on heron

Feels too uncomfortable to use

I ended up with turtle

[spice finch]

What is talent priority

Do we just build her for the buff she can provide? Does she deal personal dmg?

[neat robin]

On sanhua?

Nothing crazy from her own dmg
Dont really need much, if levelling, ult > forte > skill ig

Wouldnt spend time even getting her to lv90 or anything to lv10 talent

[spice finch]

Maybe level 80 then talent 6?

[edgy cobalt]

ult forte skill I left at lvl6 and left her at lvl70 actually

I just need her to outro which is the most important in her kit

[spice finch]

Thaaanks

[spice finch]

For those F2P without jiyan and jinhsi, how did you manage to 3* the last floor (the one with fallacy)

[marble charm]

I have both but didn't use either in that fight, I just used my xly

[spice finch]

I cant beat fallacy within time limit. I need extra 30secs 😅

I use changli chixia and verina

[spice finch]

Whats your team and your build for xly

[blissful tulip]

I used SKeeper, Chixia and HRover

Realistically should have used Verina but Keeper feels much smoother to play

[spice finch]

Okay managed to clear it with xly and changli

[blissful tulip]

I wish I had Jiyan for this

1st floor especially

Second floor isn't as bad but I feel dps checked, could be my lack of sig

[dapper oar]

im never full starring this omg should i max my M6 mortefi for this

[edgy cobalt]

mortefi is a way better sub than yinlin

[dapper oar]

yeah but he's stuck on 60 lmao

[edgy cobalt]

jfc that really is a jiyan shill floor

I used him at lvl70 its fine

[lilac hare]

Damn y’all have c6 mortefi?

[edgy cobalt]

he’s mainly there for outro anyways

[dapper oar]

ohh true

[dapper oar]

with the cost of M1 changli for me lol

[edgy cobalt]

like lvl8 liberation should be good for mort
lvl6 seems borderline but then again I ran lvl6s on sanhua so

[hollow gorge]

I wonder if I should mald ER+CDMG+Lib% echoes for Shopkeeper. Will get 100k+ intro this way. Sounds juicy, that's +4k DPR

[neat robin]

Eh

What con?

Mine does like. 25k intro at s0r0

Hp% hp% er% build

[hollow gorge]

With ToA bonuses that can get close to 150k total

[hollow gorge]

I counted that for S0R0

Pretty sure +150k is no joke for Jiyan team

[neat robin]

Oh yeah ok

I’m just talking normal stats, not tower buffs

[hollow gorge]

Well, normal stats will get you 100+k intro

[neat robin]

Mine literally does 8-9k x3

.. though I havent checked intro level. Could be at 5 still

[hollow gorge]

Getting one SpectroDMG% and + 40something Lib% from subs is already +75% dmg as a separate multiplier.

And with turtle and mediocre ER subs you lose like 8% ER from Q bonus, which is nothing. With Fallacy you don't lose even that

[hollow gorge]

Mine is 16k x3 with pretty average subs currently (HP ER with CDMG here and there) and Healing Bonus echo4

So in like 2 weeks I can probably double that if I farm Tacet field

(lengths I go to to not level XLY kekw)

[neat robin]

Hp 3cost was better than spectro for me

This was just testing it. 251 er after fallacy & her ult is up

[hollow gorge]

Assuming equal subs, Spectro% should be better damage wise. Because that's a separate multiplier which is untapped for SK

[neat robin]

Similar except the hp

Idk. I’m not impressed by her dmg, it barely fits into xy rot anyways

[hollow gorge]

How much HP% is maxed echo 3 and echo 4? I have none

[neat robin]

Sry was doing moc. I’ll go check

[neat robin]

33 & 30

[hollow gorge]

Ok, I am mildly curious how the heck it is possible for Spectro% to be worse

[neat robin]

I ate the spectro piece. Uh

[hollow gorge]

+7.5k HP is literally +20% dmg from 38k to 45k

[neat robin]

It had nearly same cdmg and er sub

I’m not levelling another one

And its not like that hp 3cost has lib% either

[hollow gorge]

Np, I am just baffled

Does Spectro% even work lmao

[neat robin]

I kept testing in yinlin > xy team
Xy doesnt have an outro buff to interfere

[hollow gorge]

Yinlin has liberation buff though?

[neat robin]

Skeeper > yinlin > xy > skeeper

Yinlin only buffs xy until he swaps off cuz its dumb

Anti quickswap 😔

[hollow gorge]

Yeah. Well, will have to test it myself.

[neat robin]

I did want a cdmg fallacy just to compare as well

Cdmg hp er build

Mine dont roll any er subs though, and need one to keep 230 er on paper

[edgy cobalt]

I got 15ks but on the overworld ape boss maybe you should test it on that

[knotty fiber]

the fact that Tsubaki's energy gen from BA gets reduced to 0% in her bloom mode bugs me so much

:/

[winged belfry]

I wish there were any good Western Wuwa TCers

[burnt shoal]

what about leifa

[blissful tulip]

Neat

[hollow gorge]

Maigi? She is pretty good

[winged belfry]

Does she do pre-TC?

[dense elbow]

She used to but not anymore coz of CC program

But maygi knows her stuff very well

[winged belfry]

Well, honestly doing TC, especially pre TC for WuWa is probably a lot of work for not that much of a payoff

Playerbase is smaller

TC is pretty complicated

You cannot test rotations before release

At the same time, I guesssimpler because there are less options to consider, and you generally don't need to consider elemental reactions or breaks like in Genshin or HSR

[hollow gorge]

It's not simpler. A lot of rotations depend on concerto gain, and concerto gain is heavily reliant on how well you dodge and how often enemies attack (so you can dodge more often and gain more concerto).

I think current calcs assume zero dodges, but I think at least 1-2 dodges per rotation is average, since otherwise you just die, if you have zero dodges

[winged belfry]

I don't think that's the concern. See, dodges generate a lot of concerto and dodge counters usually put you in either last or second to last attack of normal attack chain, so in fact they are faster than others methods of gaining concerto and energy. That's why you assume rotations with no dodges

Rotations with dodge will often be faster

Which is a wild concept if you'd tell that to Genshin player

[hollow gorge]

Well, I wrote above why assuming zero dodges is not really viable. You are bound to get some dodges.

[winged belfry]

And you are missing the point.

Realistically, no dodge rotation will be least optimal. And assuming worst case scenario, other that player is just eating everything single attack to the face, but given how hard bosses hit, they would able to survive anyway, so that's fine in these calcs

[marble charm]

I'll probably say tc-ing for each of the 3 games each have their own challenges. For genshin the challenge would be managing elemental reactions properly, needing to handle icd and gauge theory to ensure high damage. For hsr you'd need to properly speedtune alongside action advances, and figure out how the various play engine (fua, dot, break etc.) might interact in the team. While for wuthering you have 2 additional resources you have to manage (concerto and forte), and you need much more understanding of animation cancels to optimise your rotstion especially in euthering's quickswap

[hollow gorge]

Erm... DPS calcs are supposed to be more optimal, not less. Including dodges is more optimal as you say, and players are bound to have some dodges (imho), so including dodges into calcs will get you more realistic results, but significantly harder to calculate

[dense elbow]

Personally id rather have a set of actions to guarantee the concerto i need than rely on rng. If i am on a char that benefits from the dodges and it happens then nice but id rather not recommend it and say "this char needs dodges in their concerto rot"

Its easier to tell someone "this is what you need to do for max concerto" rather than only a portion with the rest filled with dodges since if you dont get those dodges, what do you do then? The player doesnt know coz they werent told what the combo was

[marble charm]

In terms of dodging, some characters benefit from it while others suffer from it. Characters which benefit from it would be either due to it helping them build their rotation better (xiangli yao is his forte stacks), or has high dodge counter damage (like chixia), while characters who suffer from it will be either due to it not being able to fit into an overly strict rotation (i.e calcharo), or it forcibly extending the rotstion by resetting the character's progress (like jinhsi)

[winged belfry]

Yeah, that's why no rotations are assuming any dodge to get necessary concerto, and are as I've said, the least optimal from real fight standpoint, but most optimal from "we need to remove all RNG possible" standpoint

[dense elbow]

I personally prefer to treat calcs as against a static target / training dummy since its a controlled environment

Only one that doesnt rly work for is ZZZ

[winged belfry]

Jinhsi counter doesnt reset any progress

[hollow gorge]

Well, if you don't get those dodges, you are dead, with what we have for now. You can't facetank/bell/iframe all attacks

[dense elbow]

Where chars parrying or dodging is critical for some effects to trigger

[dense elbow]

Yes but you dont dodge at specific times in ur rot

You dodge when you need to

So calcing a rot with the dodges conveniently put in places that are optimal is just weird assumptions to me

You dont know when you need to dodge so its better to not assume it or just add some extra downtime on the end of ur rot to approximate dodge timing

Which is y most of my genshin calcs add an extra second to the rot time

Nothing stopping someone assuming dodges in a sheet calc but its not very helpful to me personally

[hollow gorge]

Depends. I usually weave in a dodge or two for chars like Mort or SK, or ZZ since their on field time could be like 5-7 seconds, and you can get a dodge at any time during that window without disrupting rotation

[winged belfry]

Also, honestly only maybe Calculator suffers from that. For like everyone else, dodge and dodge counters will be a net possible because they'll have very high MV/s and concerto/s.

[hollow gorge]

Well, it's much harder to calculate for quickswap teams

[winged belfry]

Assume no dodge and add asterisks saying "dodge and dodge counters may affect rotation"

[dense elbow]

Its more of a thing we can infer/already know imo

[winged belfry]

Can you always know how many dodge counters will you do per rotation?

[dense elbow]

No lmao

Coz its enemy and even attack dependant

[winged belfry]

Then It's pointless to include them

[dense elbow]

Some enemies have multihit attacks that you can spam dodge on and easily farm concerto for example

[winged belfry]

Enemy AI related RNG has no place in TC sheets

[hollow gorge]

Well, as I said the point is to assume some low non-zero number. Since zero dodges and 1-2 dodges on concerto reliant rots is pretty big diff

[dense elbow]

When its smth out of my control like enemies id rather just assume a training dummy personally but

Like id rather just do damage parses in game if they had the support for it like we do for ToF but

Oh well

Zzz has rhe perfect training room for it but just needs to add the damage logger

[winged belfry]

Like I've said, from my point of view assumings no dodge is preferable because it is:

1. Usually the lower estimate and underestimation isn't as bad as overestimation.

2. Is not RNG reliant.

[hollow gorge]

Having played tons of MMO, parser is not a panacea and rather detrimental to community because ppl start to gatekeep others via parses

[winged belfry]

You mean external programs that can read the combat log?

[dense elbow]

Nah ToF training dummy has it built in

But yes tracks the damage dealt over a certain period against the target

ToF also has kits of standardized rolled gear which would be useful for doing this in other games too

So you have a fixed set of rolls / gear quality you can test with each time

And its replicatable across all players

[winged belfry]

That's really used for TC purposes

[dense elbow]

Altho idk if ppl ever bothered using those gear kits coz tof is quite whale oriented lol

But they have a lot of stuff coincidentally useful for TC that id like in other games

They were made to give new players a headstart and not have completely nothing to begin with lmao

So i think calcs are done with just fixed stats instead

[winged belfry]

That gear is useful outside of training room? Even better then

[dense elbow]

Yeah theyre just boxes they give out in events at times that have fixed rolls

Devs dont tend to wanna help ppl understand shit in a gacha game tho lmao, especially when understanding if theyre selling you something "bad" could cause a loss of revenue

[hollow gorge]

That's such a gacha issue. Generally, better TC instruments provide ppl with better estimates, so you can balance things faster, since you have a bunch of ppl doing more complicated calculations. But in gacha you almost can't rebalance things, so devs are screwing themselves

[dense elbow]

Mhm welcome to gachas lol

I was talking about gachas to begin with

[hollow gorge]

Tbh, it's more a trend that MHY established imo. Other devs just copy this, since MHY being the most successful gacha dev is making trends

And that happened because Chinese players are unreasonably averse to any rebalancing (well, not that unreasonable, if you spent 1-2k$ on a char, you don't want any status quo disruptions, even though it's better in a long run)

[winged belfry]

Rebalancing characters is insanely tricky because character interacts why other characters in teams, and then characteristics place in meta is all relative to other characters.

If Bennett didn't exist, Sara would be an auto include in so many teams

And so on

Also imagine such scenario

Character A is released in rather underwhelmed state

Then character B is released and is generally speaking good

Then character A gets buffed a lot and gets rerun

And is better than character B

So people who skipped characters A and gotten character B will be really angry and will feel tricked

[edgy cobalt]

omg full chart

[blissful tulip]

That was great

Very proud of Yao

[hollow gorge]

It's not tricky if you do it often and incrementally. You can mess up a bit, it just adds fun, because players get meme builds for like a month

[hollow gorge]

You have some strange idea of how balancing works. Ever played Warcraft 3 or StarCraft? There are way more combinations of units, than anything Genshin could provide, so the balancing is much harder, yet they did decent job (until OG devs left)

[hollow gorge]

That comes from the fact that you can't predict that EVERY character will be good because there is no balancing. With balancing you don't care if the character you skipped is good, because your own characters are good/will be good too

So you choose the characters that you actually like, not the characters that are not weak

But then you don't have FOMO

And MHY is hell bent on inducing FOMO

[edgy cobalt]

gg

[hollow gorge]

Like recent addition of primo rewards for finishing quests soon

[neat robin]

Before I fodder the wrong echoes

Encore likes basic% sub, not lib% right?

[uneven flame]

Yeah

[neat robin]

Ok sweet

Can trade lib sub for basic with higher cr roll

[neat robin]

Ignore the time left, I wanted to test his dmg with skeeper buffs

So close to 16k

[neat robin]

[edgy cobalt]

forever hardstuck at 250k

until zhezhi and sig

[neat robin]

Weee
String, eog, sig guantler/blades

Jinhsi needs 2 cr subs, havoc set 1 cr 1 cdmg still
Dont remember the rest

[knotty fiber]

ToF's cactus really dumbed ppl down tho

cactus meta is what we call it

[neat robin]

The what?

[knotty fiber]

the training dummy

ToF's training dummy is a cactus

I mean you alr knew that

[neat robin]

No

Either I quit before they added it, or I literally never used lol

[knotty fiber]

you never used it then

cuz it was there since 2.0

[neat robin]

Only training room I remember was trials for banner char + 2 of your own & it was vs actual enemies

[knotty fiber]

most ppl used cacti

for parsing

cuz they have dmg record

[neat robin]

Apparently I logged on and pulled the lance thing before I deleted the game ways back

I needed tocheck
And because I’m 100% sure when I did log on way back, alyss did not have a butterfly sprint
Mine was always dragonfly

[knotty fiber]

nah it was there since day 1

you might have done smth wrong

[neat robin]

Mine never worked

Even with the upgraded char+weapon

I have again deleted it

I’m surprised there wasnt like 20 new chars in the past year

[dusty crown]

there's something i don't do properly because i have sig, and at max stacks i barely hit over 200k on crit xD

[edgy cobalt]

sounds like build issue

[dusty crown]

😦

[neat robin]

Rot issue? Not stacking forte quick?

Mine was s0r1 at 85/225 and hit 290k nukes before

[knotty fiber]

definitely stage buff

[edgy cobalt]

227% cd is low, normally 270% is what most ppl run

but if ninj can hit higher numbers then a mix of stage buffs and aligning your own buffs in team play a role in breaking the 300k mark

also skill dmg%

[dusty crown]

i do verina yinlin jinhsi

[dusty crown]

i'm running cr% 4-costs lel

doesn't help that on over ~25 atk% 1-costs, i couldn't hit a single CR% on the first 2 tunes T_T

and on the two i levelled to 25 i didn't get a single CR% either on rolls 3 4 and 5

😭

[edgy cobalt]

yeah if you have sig you'd be running a crit dmg 4cost and try to aim for 70:270 which is basically double crit on every echo

AND get some skill dmg bonus in between, like this is mine

[dusty crown]

game is closed but i have over 20% since both my 1-cost have skill dmg

not sure about the others tho

[edgy cobalt]

I usually hit 230-250k depending on the tower, no sig

[winged belfry]

It's still a Gacha game. You can buff, but you cannot nerf.

[small bronze]

do we know camelya mats

[uneven flame]

Its fallacy and Nova (same as Shorekeeper) + Dreamless

Whisperain cores as well

[hollow gorge]

Well, as long as most ppl think so, gacha genre will be ass in gameplay department in the long run

Simply because of runaway progression

[knotty fiber]

Depends on what gacha game

It's because it's CN gacha, you can't nerf shit there

Also there's no PvP

Nerfing is the most normal thing for KR gacha

[leaden moat]

Are their any weapon ranking for camelleya , how behind is he standard sword compared to her sig ,

[wheat moon]

sounds balanced

[neat robin]

I need camy to be my first win so I can save pulls for later

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-camellya-ult-resonance-liberation-gif-15653727509469891081

[wheat moon]

seg

awoo

[neat robin]

This is the accurate camy farming?

[edgy cobalt]

yessir

[lucid pebble]

Does that include sig weapon?

[neat robin]

No I didnt see sig mats

The same metallic drips as eog took, idk the other mat

I got a new echo for both of them today

Now if only I could get rid of some def subs for lib% on yao…

[lilac hare]

What’s the consensus on Camellya atm? I got skeeper in my first 10 pulls and now I have 100+ pulls more

[edgy cobalt]

she’s stronk

[blissful tulip]

Is she as stronk as the other limited damage dealers barring Jinshi?

Or in between?

[neat robin]

Between changli and jinhsi? I think

[edgy cobalt]

between the worse dps and the best dps is crazy

[neat robin]

I dont like changli but ik shes far from the worst

[edgy cobalt]

could replace “dps” with “limited 5*” and it’ll make more sense

jhsi > shorekeeper > xiangli yao > jiyan > yinlin > zhezhi > changli
is how I’d personally rate them in order

[neat robin]

Well jiyan has cc

But hes about same as encore for dps

Comparing at s0

Changli is better just-dmg, which I’m assuming camy is as well

[edgy cobalt]

encore?
she beats all the limited 5 stars

my goat

[lament thorn]

chun

[lucid pebble]

My goodness, would you look at the time?

https://tenor.com/view/jinshi-jinxi-wuwa-wuwa-jinxi-jinxi-wuwa-gif-6888474920101217135

[neat robin]

The gun lady?

[lament thorn]

mhm

but it would be more accurate to say she's unnamed rn since chun is still technically camellya (her name in CN)

[hollow gorge]

You don't have ZZ, right? Tbh, I would have put her above shorekeeper, if shorekeeper couldn't do 100k nukes

Jinhsi>SK>=ZZ>XY=Changli=Jiyan=Yinlin

Personally

[edgy cobalt]

zz is just a huge jhsi enabler

you could just slot yinlin instead and yinlin herself can enable xly and calculator

[neat robin]

Zz rotates much faster than yinlin for hsi teams

Honestly s6 mort is underrated for hsi if you dont have 5*s for her
Not quite as good without heavy dmg but you get atk buff, heron & pistol buff onto hsi

[hollow gorge]

For now. She has a lot of personal damage. And will be probably good for future glacio dps

[edgy cobalt]

better hope chun wants skill dmg

[hollow gorge]

She likely will still be good with only half of her outro working. She has a lot of mobility via skill and damage is really good

[neat robin]

If chun is actually glacio gun, and skill dmg

Except then she and hsi will both want zz
Though id expect hsi without zz still clears easier

[edgy cobalt]

can literally run yinlin or even yuanwu with jhsi just fine

[neat robin]

I am broke as shit
I have credits and char/wep exp for once

And.zero echo mats

[edgy cobalt]

its always echo mats for me, I always have an abundance of everything else

game says no to minmaxing gear

[neat robin]

I just wanna fix hsi and havoc 1costs

[opaque flume]

I’m always broke bro

I have no credits

No exp mats

No echo mats

I have like 5000 tuners tho

Actually

[neat robin]

Send those my way pls

[burnt shoal]

how people broke here im just lacking the overworld materials to level up chars

the howler cores etc

but i do resin almost daily

and almost never explore overworld too

so lack those overworld mars

mats

i wish those are alot with resin too rip

[lilac hare]

I’m lacking the characters to level up, so I have an abundance of mats

[uneven flame]

I got plenty of echo/weapon/character exp and credits but almost out of tuners.

[lyric fjord]

The only way to be out of tuners is to level up all echos with potential to 5 then discard it if it's not a high roll of crit or energy regen?

I have 5k tuners too and it sounds insane to me to run out of them

[uneven flame]

You only get 30% of tuners back. I +10-15 and if they have two dead stats or no crit by then I trash them.

But I'm still slowly running out

[lyric fjord]

I do the same... how do you run out and i dont...

[uneven flame]

I'm actually very lucky with main stats

so I get a lot of echoes to roll

[lyric fjord]

My stock only goes up even tho i never pick that reward in shops

Oh

[uneven flame]

I get something to roll like almost every tacet run

[lyric fjord]

I see, i dont farm echoes in the overworld much

[uneven flame]

I don't farm overworld much either

This is straight from tacet runs

also didn't help I tried to min max shorekeeper with like 50+ saved up echoes rolling at the same time.

[lyric fjord]

I hope 2.0 will bring more tacet fields. The only 2 options for LT set are garbage, feels like a huge waste

[uneven flame]

Really killed my tuner stock on top of the average amount of echoes I roll.

[dusty crown]

i hope 2.0 brings more sets

[uneven flame]

I usually never get over 600

[lyric fjord]

Isnt the difference between average and maxxed SK minimal?

[uneven flame]

I don't want more sets its been hell to get the ones currently.

[uneven flame]

Yes. But I was bored

[lyric fjord]

Damn. I rarely use her enhanced intro since in stops the buffing

So any investment on her does nothing for me

[uneven flame]

the low and high rolls and the billion stats makes this a living hell. I hope more gacha do away with low and high rolls like ZZZ.

[lyric fjord]

Zzz has no roll variance?

[uneven flame]

No

So I have farmed for almost perfect sets already

[lyric fjord]

Never picked up the game since wuwa seemed better to me

[uneven flame]

[lyric fjord]

May pick up the game someday then. I heard a part of the team building was with buffs tied to char families, limiting the possibilities, didnt make me want to pick up the game. Aside from the fact we cant jump

[uneven flame]

Oh some great news for future 4*.... fuck I forgot I'm not high enough level to post pictures in this server bleh. Basically Youhu will be the afterglow coral store starting in 1.4 (single copy) as well as the usual standard pool.

No need to spawn on rerun if you just want to own the character or another copy. But it does cost 80 coral though

[uneven flame]

Honestly, its barely a restriction at this point in team building.

[dusty crown]

No idea how big the map is supposed to be for 2.0, we got 6 fields in 1.0, so I assume 2-3 to be a conservative amount. With two it'd allow every set to have two different fields. With 3, you could add 2 new sets and have all the 1.0 sets have 2 fields.

1 new set would allow all of them to have 2 fields i guess so that could be the play

[sweet coral]

I hope 2.0 fucking fixes Thundering Mephis

How the fuck is it that shit for literally BOTH of our Liberation focused Electros

Void Thunder too

[blissful tulip]

At least Mech Abom is naturally electro

Lets lingering tunes come close to Void without all the transformation pains

[opaque flume]

2.0 better double the size of the world or im rioting

[marble charm]

beta begun, camellya got a few changes

[neat robin]

Lots of outro stuff. Shes gonna be good for quickswap?

I wonder how camy danjin would be at that point, both do basic dmg and camy outro buffs them, and danjin outro + s6 buffs camy

[blissful tulip]

Danjin's main source of high damage is via her heavy attack, and Cameylla's basic atk is on her S4

It's an outro similar to Kakarot's S4

An additional effect + her damage instead of just damage

[marble charm]

slight mistake in the previous translation, s4 didn't get changed and s5 is outro +68%, intro +303%

[edgy cobalt]

The Bud state ends early when swapping to another character

not as good

[neat robin]

Thats the hanging mode?

Red hair?

[edgy cobalt]

yeah

[neat robin]

I’ll prob just run mine with sanhua for a while

I’m somewhere 55-65 pity on standards for a second eog

[kind turtle]

camellya has too many words, what happened to her?

[lucid pebble]

303%

[knotty fiber]

S5 got reversed

It's intro that's +303%

[knotty fiber]

The usual Kuro

Nothing new

[knotty fiber]

Just saw this cuz I read from top to bottom

[lilac hare]

Lesgo 70

[lucid pebble]

Wuwa powercreep is real.

Cammy’s reso chain is omega cracked.

[knotty fiber]

Where got cracked

It's the same thing as previous dps

Some crit dmg, some "qol", some dmg that's not even main dmg, and main dmg locked at S6

[lyric fjord]

If i already have verina and i dont plan to use encore and calcharo, what are the best sequences to use my free ticket between verina linguang and the monk?

[haughty lodge]

Verina

[edgy cobalt]

Verina, S2 is peak luxury

[lyric fjord]

Oh really? Last time i checked, the monk seemed to have a good s1, but since i dont play her, idk more

Will check verina s2

[lyric fjord]

ok gosh her s2 seem to make her able to charge her concerto in just 2s

[lilac hare]

As someone with s2 verina, I agree

[edgy cobalt]

[winged belfry]

I'm pretty sure it WAS omegacraced

Not anymore I fear

[knotty fiber]

Do not pick Lingyang unless you like him

[lyric fjord]

i have him at 90 and counting on pulling camorra so in about 4 months he's getting benched

but i don't know if his sequences save him

[dusty crown]

huh somehow 3-starred the fusion tower's last floor with encore ._.

when whenever i tried on previous iterations i never managed to get more than one star

also figured part of what was wrong with my hsi, i was doing bell and air attacks with verina at the beginning of her rots 🙃

and sometimes since i waste too much time gaining concerto due to being bad at timing and dodging (same with yinlin), these two buffs just disappear before hsi's turn

[knotty fiber]

Idk how I should view Tsubaki's new changes

I guess S5 change can be a buff if I can afford to go double intro on her but eliminating hyperswap is mean as fuck

And I'm deadass surprised they still haven't reduced her shit's CD to 20s or so

[lucid pebble]

It's still cracked.

[knotty fiber]

it wasn't

and it isn't

[hollow gorge]

Wow, I can't believe this game. I just spent 1000 tuners on Rover(with 5* standard) and had basically zero upgrades for this mediocre build. I hate building CR CD ER, it's such a piece of shit.

[burnt shoal]

it's rover

[lyric fjord]

hey it's the first time i use impermanence heron echo, is it normal that outros don't proc when i swap out mid animation?

[hollow gorge]

No, they should proc. You have full concerto when you swap?

Heron won't proc outro-intro by itself. You still need to gather full concerto in a designated time window

[lyric fjord]

happened 3 times in a row with sanha, very frustrating, concerto is full but it doesn't proc

[neat robin]

Then its not full

If you have the rings flashing around the char you want to swap to, you get outro/intro

I swap midair all the time

[uneven flame]

The only way this fails for me if you become briefly "out of combat" which can happen if a wave takes too long to spawn or you are too far away from them when they are spawning.

[neat robin]

Heron yinlin (midair from hold heron) outro into xy

[lyric fjord]

it's against the middle tower first boss, thundering mephis or something. wondering if it's because he sometimes tp super far away

[neat robin]

The moment heron hits something it should put you back into combat if that is whats happening,

[lyric fjord]

which is also making my SK ult useless

[torn tapir]

Has anyone tried Echo rng manipulation

[knotty fiber]

what's that?

[neat robin]

I need THREE cdmg subs for her

Add another ‘fix the 1costs’ to my list

Need 2 double crit 1costs : spectro, havoc, fusion

[sweet coral]

My XLY build is STILL shit

What the FUCK

[opaque flume]

Idk get more crit rate or smth

[sweet coral]

I’M TRYING

BUT VOID MOTHERFUCKING THUNDER WOULDN’T DROP GOOD SHIT

[blissful tulip]

Farm both atk and void

Managed to get a comfortable 63/235

[torn tapir]

It's a theory that rng in some games is tied to specific times

I'm planning on testing it myself

I haven't leveled up a single echo ever since I started farming, except for mainstats on a few purples on golds

If it works then I won't have to deal with the crappy grind in Wuwa

[burnt shoal]

when wuwa next event me just doing weeklies

[neat robin]

Prob not til end of the week or next week

Just did the 2x domains

And 2nd half starts in a couple days

[knotty fiber]

Is it 3 weeks til update

I can't rmb

[hollow gorge]

This theory is a wrong interpretation of how RNG is done on servers with high load. Generally, servers will optimize load by seeding and prerolling RNG sequence (or precalculating results in other ways), then designating time windows during which all the requests will get the same RNG roll. This window is always timed in milliseconds, so for humans it's very unlikely to manipulate intentionally, and impossible to do so regularly. Ofc this is done only when there is no security concerns involved

[blissful tulip]

Around a month

[sweet coral]

63 doesn’t sound comfortable

[lament shuttle]

This is the correct take I think makes more sense lol

[blissful tulip]

I mainly use SKeeper with him

[sweet coral]

Oh

Wait how many Crit rate from Shore

[blissful tulip]

12.5%, and 25% crit dmg

12.5% CR with purple aura, 25% crit dmg with yellow aura

[torn tapir]

Sounds like a plan

[sweet coral]

75 sounds good enough I guess

[neat robin]

60 is good enough for non cr weapon/forte nodes anyways

Pretty difficult to get a lot
22 from 4cost and 6-10% x5 echos

[lyric fjord]

Does an equivalent to fribbels exist for wuwa?

[leaden moat]

I don’t have a variation and not sure when I will get one ….do I pull for shore keepers sig or just cope with something till then. I do like the look of camellia can’t lie so otherwise would pull sig for that

[edgy cobalt]

jiyan weapon banner has variation if you wanna try your luck

you really need just 1 copy

[neat robin]

Im totally gonna max yaos forte tree

8/9/9/10/8 rn

I may as well 10 it all & get the achievement for that too

[limber imp]

Pity?

[leaden moat]

Sitting at just before the weapon , so around 10 pulls or so

[limber imp]

Get it

Ur guaranteed anyways

U have enough time to get camellya and her weapon

Also her weapon makes things a lot easier

And allows u to invest in some damage

Or healing

[leaden moat]

Calm thanks

[limber imp]

Yw

[iron wadi]

its an extra layer of cope people use to pretend that they can somehow can get luckier in a gacha game

[lucid pebble]

How much drip do I need for Cammy?

[lucid pebble]

[neat robin]

My shitty ss I saved from someones video

[lucid pebble]

67 gold drips.

[neat robin]

I’m assuminh thats all five at lv10

[lucid pebble]

I have 17 gold drip, 122 purples, and 500+ of blues and greens.

[neat robin]

Tf

Actually I was starting to prefarm then got distracted by maxing yao fortes

[lucid pebble]

I leveled yao mid to 90 and then gave up building him.

[neat robin]

9/10/10/10/9 rn I think

[opaque flume]

I misclicked and now my game is bugging

Will see

If I can fix it

[leaden moat]

Has anyone looked at leaks ? How much better is camelleya sig compared to the free 5 star sword ?

[lament shuttle]

18% better in line with other signature weapons

[sweet coral]

Guess I’m replacing Emerald of Genesis for Havoc Rover

[hearty swift]

is there a theorycrafting group for wuwa?

[hollow gorge]

Search Maygi discord, it's probably the best you can find. Maybe also Prydwen discord. I am in neither of those, telling what I have heard. Their TC results are pretty good

[knotty fiber]

[small bronze]

idk what im doing wrong but my yao feels weak and hes like 70/286 or something with sig

and everything maxed out

is his dmg just during ult

[knotty fiber]

Probably gameplay issue then

You want the dmg after ult too

After using ult he will get into an enhanced mode that allows you to use enhanced skill every 5 forte points

[small bronze]

yea i meant after ult not just the ult dmg

[knotty fiber]

His dmg is mostly that

So you want some ER to give him high ult uptime

[neat robin]

Mine goes ult 200k, na/dodge to fill fortes, and ive seen up to 50k forte skill (x3 per rot) now that its level 10

And you can weave normal skill inbetween nas and enhanced

[small bronze]

i never bother with rotations but i never tryhard i definitely have stuff to do full tower but i just settle at 24 might check what is even with those things like swap canceling or whatever, and i definitely use characters too long

not even sure if echos give energy to other characters

im out here clueless

[blissful tulip]

Just quickswapping and pressing skill on any character is already enough to regain momentum for when your rotation ends

[neat robin]

If you use moonlit yinlin & tunes yao, you wont be quickswapping

[small bronze]

moonlit yinlin is a thing? i thought she just electro

[blissful tulip]

For example, when your Yinlin outro ends and prior to concerto filling up, you can quickswap and press E on Shorekeeper and finish up Yao's rotation prior to SKeeper's intro

[small bronze]

i also put electro on yao

[blissful tulip]

If you don't have her signature it's more difficult to build a dps build for her

I also use moonlit Yinlin

[small bronze]

yea i didnt bother for sig i just wanted the bazookas

the cannons

especially when she not main dps

[neat robin]

Moonlit yinlin + her outro buffs yao during his tunes rot since he needs ti stay on field to stack the atk buff

[blissful tulip]

What you can do is interplay between SKeeper and Yinlin until their concerto's are almost full with Yao weaving an E every now and then for energy

[neat robin]

As soon as you start quickswapping you lose yinlins outro buff (which is same issue yinlin-calcharo team had)
But yao likes tunes at least so he wants field time

[blissful tulip]

Yao's team is a lot more flexible with rotations prior to Yao's ult than say, Jinshi

[neat robin]

Yao doesnt need much er if you’re getting outros/intros in

[blissful tulip]

Yinlin's intro does help with parries, immediate bar filling and a small concerto regen

[neat robin]

I managed it on 115 for a while
130 is very smooth

[blissful tulip]

Where you only need to hold CA and swap to Yao

[neat robin]

Yeah yinlin is more annoying to gain concerto /forte for than yao is

[blissful tulip]

At least that's the rotation and playstyle that worked for me when I 6* the right side of overdrive

[small bronze]

i regret pulling for yinlin her attacks feel so sluggish her E too

[blissful tulip]

1st floor is god awful though

[blissful tulip]

You get used to it, I don't find Yinlin nearly as bad if I just hold CA prior to forte

And her concerto fills up incredibly quickly against groups of enemies

[neat robin]

Jiyan made the waves easy then I couldnt kill rider fast enough
Yao team made waves annoying cuz they scatter, but was easy vs rider

And 2nd floor overdrive was easy

[blissful tulip]

It was

[blissful tulip]

Yao's ult does gather, though

Makes it easier if you can align the smaller enemies in a straight line

Hopefully they have more content like Overdrive, I would absolutely not want to do it biweekly

[neat robin]

I’m still at 2* / 2* in middle tower
My encore isnt good enough yet

Her rot with sanhua on mobile hurts my hand

[blissful tulip]

Fact that you managed it on mobile at all is a feat in of itself

[hollow gorge]

Middle tower is better with Encore HMC duo

[neat robin]

I’m been hesitant to put more mats into hrover with camy soon

[torn tapir]

Is this dude worth?

[neat robin]

Best cc
But camy is in 3 weeks if you’re saving

[dusty crown]

anecdotal but i started getting 3 stars everywhere the moment i switched yinlin from void thunder to moonlit lol

and my void thunder set was somewhat decent

[small bronze]

tbh might be good for me cause im out of juice on electro echos

and i cant be bothered to farm outside tacet

for the %ele

[neat robin]

Can farm moonlit for yinlin/zz/mort etc and havoc for camy/hrover at the same time

I hate farminn the electro fusion field

[small bronze]

im still waiting for some rework on the 3 cost ele%

its aids to farm

i have ptsd from farming them on launch

i only getting those now from morphs from events or tacet

horror

[strange surge]

good for waves and multiple enemies and stuff

[marble charm]

Welp, camellya got nerfed and lumi got buffed

[small bronze]

kaka

[small bronze]

starting to get somewhere

still 24/30 with these kek

[neat robin]

Just dmg multipliers or kit changes again?

[knotty fiber]

I'm not seeing anything in the changelog

[knotty fiber]

1.4.4 was the one with changes

1.4.5 reverted it back

idk if they actually changed anything

1.4.4 was a buff to her I think

concerto skill is considered normal attack dmg in that version

but E6 is kinda a nerf

[marble charm]

1.4.4 was more a nerf

[knotty fiber]

which line is a nerf?

[marble charm]

In 1..4.4 her outro no longer generates forte, and s1 no longer generates forte when introing

[knotty fiber]

JP still had it

both CN and EN had missing text

on a lot of stuffs

only JP had everything

[marble charm]

I checked jp and jp also got reverted back to 1.4.3

[knotty fiber]

1.4.5 on all langs have been reverted back to 1.4.3

[marble charm]

What was changed in 1.4.4 on jp?

[knotty fiber]

rewordings, concerto skill considered normal, less way of obtaining pistil stacks and E6 change

[marble charm]

Thats kinda the same as what was changed in cn plus s2's heavy attack conversion bwing moved to inherent

[knotty fiber]

for both EN and JP, skills except concerto skill don't generate pistils no more

but outro, yes

[marble charm]

In cn 1.4.4 she only had 2 ways to generate pistills (intro and her forte skill)

[knotty fiber]

saw it

[dense elbow]

if the text isnt CN its not worth trusting considering they dont properly update the text until preload 😔

[marble charm]

And they removed the forte gwneration from s1 in 1.4.4

[knotty fiber]

right now not even CN is trustworthy lmfao

[dense elbow]

[knotty fiber]

CN has wrong text and missing text

💀

[marble charm]

What was missing?

[dense elbow]

just coz its different to EN or?

[marble charm]

I didnt see anything missing

[dense elbow]

coz last time i checked EN was almost a different kit

[knotty fiber]

different from EN and JP

[dense elbow]

yeah

thats most likely the other languages being outdated

[knotty fiber]

S1 S2

[dense elbow]

no reason to update text for languages that arent included in the beta

[knotty fiber]

there has to be a reason why they reverted back to 1.4.3

almost immediately