・wuwa-lounge

[uneven flame]

Does anyone know how much Yuanwu's "Inherent skill: Reserved Confidence" boosts his Thunder Field range by? A visual would be ideal but if you have an % that would work too.

[rotund drum]

feels like double

its pretty significant

its at least 50%

[uneven flame]

Hmm I guess I'll have to level him up for that

[rotund drum]

you want that passive anyway since it gives him free spikes

otherwise you ahve to wait after detonating it

to recast

[uneven flame]

Oh had no idea never used him. Thanks

[rotund drum]

i was curious how much it would actually increase by as well so i took a cap of the field before unlocking that passive

but after i unlocked it it was obviously so much bigger i didnt bother with an actual comparison

lemme take one in the same spot for you

before

after

[uneven flame]

Yeah that is a substantial increase. Thanks for the img

[sterile swallow]

Yeah I'm going for that passive next week

I already used my weekly runs on Jinhsi

She carried me to 30/30 in tower even when bad rng like the ape running straight to the outer ring of the map happened. Well worth it

[rotund drum]

so grinding flourites for craftable tubes gets you a "free" 12k xp per week

thats 6 purple tubes

i guess this is what kusogames meant by increased echo xp rewards

devs listened

[night mantle]

yuanwu battery for jinhsi https://youtu.be/173CZGPBF4s?si=6LnvOZ6L2ZSz-KQe&t=118

[opal venture]

Happy that Jinhsi is strong so i can play a team without verina

[fickle kernel]

i lost 5050

im so sad

[opaque flume]

Someday I’m hoping you can just craft purple tubes

Ngl

[blissful tulip]

Is Jinshi still worthwhile if I'm not going for the 5* weapon? I only have the BP weapon for extra CR

[lilac hare]

Same question

[rotund drum]

still good

[lilac hare]

I do have jiyan’s sig, which could be shared too

[rotund drum]

probs the only char who can compete with jinhsi at this point is encore with sig

jiyan cant compete since if jiyan has his sig jinhsi can use it too lol

[lilac hare]

The good thing about this game’s abyss is the weapon sharing

[rotund drum]

im actually not sure why prydwen still has jiyan in the same tier as jinhsi

[lilac hare]

Sounds simple enough

[rotund drum]

they probably dont want to move him down since he's a limited

[lilac hare]

He’s great though, why would they move him

[rotund drum]

he's in the same tier as jinhsi lol

on their list

[lilac hare]

I didn’t try jinhsi as I don’t have her, but jiyan deserves to be T0 as of now imo
His ult is too useful

[rotund drum]

i think they just dont want to put him down with the nonlimiteds

idk if kusogames pays them

there's only one place he can go lol

they could move calcharo down one i guess

[opal venture]

Why everytime I come here I see this guy trash talking any character lol

Dude doesn't play the game just come here to yap fr

[robust axle]

Typical

[night mantle]

agree

anyone using cal with atk set instead of electric set? how much dmg increase does it feels?

[candid plume]

I'm using it I tested and the atk buff no longer lingers when u swap

I think it lingered in 1.0 from what I was told was verified

But in 1.1 it definitely doesn't work with quickswap calch

[cobalt apex]

yea they butchered it

[candid plume]

Personally, I think 2pc 2pc electro atk is way better than either void or lingering tunes

[cobalt apex]

it worked in 1.0

[opal venture]

They fixed it ? I heard before u can still get buff after qs with cal remains on field

[candid plume]

U get to have 3% less ceiling dmg for ability to use Mech as ur 4 cost

I think 2pc 2pc on Calch is a must now

Tempest sucks ass

[cobalt apex]

cal done dirty

[night mantle]

yeah that what I was thinking also...dmg was not as much as 1.0

[opal venture]

Me with thundering long ass animation

[candid plume]

Omegalol

[cobalt apex]

thundering

[opal venture]

My thunder have too good stats i dont know if i want to switch

2 crit atk and lib dmg

[cobalt apex]

the fact that u raised thundering is concerning

[candid plume]

Oh damn

[opal venture]

Yea bc i played 44 before

[candid plume]

I raised it for phantom thundering

[cobalt apex]

makes sense

[candid plume]

[opal venture]

Have tempest crit dmg sigh

[candid plume]

But I ditched it when the bug got fixed

Man

Alr wtv 2pc 2pc is good

No crying over spilt milk

We win some we lose some

Calch is fine, just use 2pc 2pc

[night mantle]

also anyone got numbers on standard 5* vs featured 5* on calch?

prydwen doesn't have it yet

[candid plume]

VS is 3% worse, Ages is 3% better
Smth like that

[opal venture]

Need a long time to get a replacement for this

[candid plume]

Oh

Oh yeah

[night mantle]

I see

[candid plume]

Btw my Calch Hrv rotation from yesterday doesn't work cuz I'm 1 or 2s too fast

So ig I switch the order of shit up today

And see if that rotation works

Also I hate how tight Calch 3dm becomes when Hrv does EHE

[vernal mason]

Isn't tempest better due to small uptime?

[candid plume]

Except that is also garbage

It takes too long to do mediocre dmg to a single target

[blissful tulip]

Has anyone else gotten a significant improvement regarding stuttering?

On mobile

[knotty fiber]

you don't know the Jiyan downplayer?

[candid plume]

With shit uptime

[vernal mason]

??

[blissful tulip]

It feels much better for me now, in return for lower fps across the board

[outer jetty]

Lower fps for me on mobile too .

Dont remember stuttering any time tho, only constant connection error during battle

[candid plume]

Let me explain, this is going to be a nuanced discussion:
The rotation has to let Yinlin swap cancel 3 times, ok?
U HAVE to swap cancel tempest, it's not optional
Given that, the best rotation becomes
Verina b3-5 E
Yinlin b2-3 E Lib E
Verina Lib echo jump b1-3
Yinlin intro b4 echo
Calch echo
Yinlin b2-3 H.forte
Calch shit
I think

It's possible Yinlin is generating too much concerto, let me verify

I played this rotation 2 weeks ago by now and have since switched to mech so I gotta double check

[blissful tulip]

I understand there being a catch at points but I hoped they improved the optimization

[cobalt apex]

man why do they have to butcher lingering tunes for cal

[candid plume]

Nah this rotation works

[candid plume]

Doesn't matter

[vernal mason]

Haven't looked much into rotations but shouldn't you switch after yinlin burst to chalcaro to give him the buff?

[candid plume]

2pc 2pc is king

[candid plume]

The rotation has her triggering her outro at 12s

[vernal mason]

Yeah I am still suffering to get the 5pc thundering for chalcaro

[candid plume]

Or ig 13s now

[candid plume]

Just stop and build 2pc 2pc with mech as 4 cost

Do urself this favor

Please

Tempest and thundering suck ass

[vernal mason]

What does mech do?

So 2pc thundering and 2pc mech?

[candid plume]

Good Aoe electro dmg with 0 animation time and buffs for whole calch uptime

[candid plume]

Yeah

[vernal mason]

Sounds like an enticing idea

[candid plume]

It even has QoL like if u forget to do it u can use it to cancel his b3

Which is faster than dashing

So u don't get fucked at all when u make a mistake

Unlike tempest that needs u to queue 2nd hit and immediatelty swap off

[vernal mason]

Cause at the current pace I am getting thundering void pieces I will rather leave this game before building chalcaro which isn't when a complete team

[candid plume]

Which is hard and quite annoying to remember to do

[candid plume]

2pc 2pc is 3% behind on dmg

That's it

[vernal mason]

Ok I am going that way

[candid plume]

That's 1 crit sub's worth of dmg

[vernal mason]

So yinlin also dosent need 5pc then?

[vernal mason]

That can be made up with better substats on off piece

[candid plume]

Yinlin needs 5pc moonlit

[candid plume]

Yes

Unlike what people tell you, she needs 130 ER

When ur perfectly quickswapping

[vernal mason]

I can give her an er echo

[candid plume]

Oh that's with heron giving u 10 flat energy back

On void set, she needs 140

[vernal mason]

So the heron set is better on her?

I can work with that

[candid plume]

So yeah good luck having dmg and also building 140 er when u make no rotation mistakes

[candid plume]

Yes

5pc moonlit is GOATED on her

10 er from 2pc + 10 energy from heron

[vernal mason]

But her er needs are still high

[candid plume]

130 ER can be reached in 2 ER subs just about

[vernal mason]

Er subs give about 10% er no?

So I would need about 3

[candid plume]

U get 10% from moonlit itself

[candid plume]

9.4 is the weighted average yeah

[vernal mason]

Oh

[candid plume]

So u only need to get 20 more from subs

Which is the perfect amount

[vernal mason]

Well guys I am finally free from that dammed void thunder

Also verina would like the 5pc healing set right?

[vernal mason]

Also the main stats are gonna be cr elec elec atk atk?

Or would I need er as well?

[opal venture]

If playing yinlin with calcharo u needs around 120 130 ER to rotate smoothly, so better to get ER from sub stat

[candid plume]

Ye

[candid plume]

Nahh 130-140 with Moonlit imo

Ur Calch energy gen can be complete garbage sometimes

Dm's miss?

Woohoo

[opal venture]

Nah I play both at 120 and they work fine

[knotty fiber]

this cycle's buff is too strong for hsi

[opal venture]

Too bad I did not record the run with lvl100 monke last tower cycle

[knotty fiber]

60% dmg for skill and ult

[opal venture]

https://streamable.com/dezr9k

Did record this tho lol

[candid plume]

Do u use Calch EEE mercy?

[opal venture]

Yes but I cancel the animation

[candid plume]

Like ig if ur using a suboptimal rotation, sure

[candid plume]

Ye that's just bad

[opal venture]

Cast HA then burst immediately

[candid plume]

[opal venture]

Its good for quick rotation tho

The HA is small dmg

[candid plume]

If I could share videos here I would

But my level is not enough

Anyways, I can tell u for a fact

That the dmg EEE dm does is ridiculously bad for dps

It takes too long

It's like Zhongli burst ngl

[opal venture]

What do u mean

[candid plume]

Like it does damage

But the damage it does per second

Is kinda bad

[opal venture]

I do 2 E then swap at first then when came back to him, 1E HA then burst

Its like 2s

[candid plume]

Uuh

[opal venture]

Then 2E during burst to cancel N4

And help with energy

[knotty fiber]

oh this run is great

40s to spare

[candid plume]

2E takes 1s
E mercy takes 3s

[opal venture]

Bruh watch my vid

I dont even have mercy popping up

[candid plume]

Yeah share it

[opal venture]

.

[candid plume]

Oh so ur only doing 3E's and not the mercy

Well, here's what I do and it's like uber optimised:

[opal venture]

I still do mercy bruh

Like said i cancel the animation right away

Because it takes too much time with little dmg

And i still get the forte buff tho

[candid plume]

#・tc-bot-spam message

[opal venture]

Bruh i 3 stars heron with my rotation

Why u sent me this

[candid plume]

Uuh look at the rotation not the damage

That's like first rule of theorycrafting

My echoes != your echoes

My talent levels != your talent lvls

[candid plume]

That's a great idea if it works yea
I'd verify this then integrate it into the rotation

[opal venture]

It works man

Even his skill said so

U only need to cast it u dont need it to appear and hit anything

[candid plume]

Good to know

I'll verify it just for verification's sake

Can't trust ingame text

At all

They say something and then it's either a mistranslation or a bug or smth

[hollow gorge]

ehh, can't be that bad. Jiyan is like 20% slower than Encore in OW for me. I like how single Encore E usually deletes the whole pack

[candid plume]

Ow meta smh

Just use 2 Mech

\j

But yeah noone is better in overworld than someone with electro% holding mech
And someone with havoc% holding dreamless

[hollow gorge]

mech is cut above everything else. I used to run mech builds early game and it is slapping. But don't really want to bother switching between echoes just to run mech again

[night mantle]

anyone found this quest location?

[neat robin]

Nah its just hyperinvested jiyan echos compared to taking whatever rolls crit + anything for the rest lol
2k atk and 70/250 vs 1.5k atk 70/200 is pretty big dmg difference

Encore seems to have a stupid camera bug too. Only been noticing it with her
Camera zooms in during combat and its annoying af

[candid plume]

@opal venture it does give the lib% when cancelled yea

now to see if we can fit it inside 25s rotation and 14s outro buff

[opal venture]

Yeah I tried a lot of different rotation and none match my current since I can cancel a bunch of moves

The only rotation that can beat monke too

[candid plume]

did you try mine?

[opal venture]

Yea i tried with heron

Mine is still quicker

It is very hard to execute tho

[candid plume]

it's
Verina b3-5
Yinlin b2-3 E Lib E
Verina Lib E. To bypass swap cooldown and let Verina cancel her E while still getting energy
Yinlin b2-3 echo
Verina echo jump b1-3
Yinlin intro b4 H.forte

this is 11.6s btw

fastest setup in ba sing se

[opal venture]

I think main reason is because im still using thundering

[candid plume]

I see

[opal venture]

It messes up my rotation time like hell

[candid plume]

[opal venture]

Once i finish the final chamber I will go back with building calyinlin

Only need to level up Jinhsi with talent & weapon, and lvl up Taoqi a bit so she can tank some dmg

[forest dome]

does jinhsi need er?

feel like im not doing the rot right

[rigid shore]

Where waveplate bank at

[dense elbow]

She needs like mid to high 30%s to burst every other rot

[forest dome]

miaunt

112.4% not cooking..

gonna swap my 4 cost soon so might even be 0% er atp

need to roll some er

[candid plume]

Variation is overrated

U need to swap cancel Yinlin so much that it's not even any faster than non-Variation

Considering all ur skipping in the rotation is Verina b3-5

Replacing it with Verina intro that u can't even Lib cancel

Cuz u need the Lib to bypass swap cd later

Also no Verina intro is just comfier

[knotty fiber]

it's not

for Verina it's great

I'm dying to get one

it's a wonder that I did 100 pulls on Yinlin weap banner and got 0

idk how it works in YinGoku comp

but for hsi comp it's a fken pain without Variation

[lyric cargo]

How is wuwa in 1.1 for 8GB ram?

[small bronze]

wait changli is dps

or sub dps

cause i thought her kit is main dps but she has that outro skill to buff fusion

[rotund drum]

she has a mdps kit

shes kinda like yangyang actually

do combos to charge stacks then nuke with super heavy

[rotund drum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1drvota/hologram_6_in_0_seconds/ but calcharo is still good or something

copecope

[rotund drum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1ds3oyc/calcharo_backseat_or_still_good/ the cope's happening

[weary acorn]

calcharo on his best team is dead ass for most content until u have a yinlin and verina alternative

well we do have for yinlin

and verina but people dont want to build percievably weaker units

dudes dead until jinshi gets her own actual teammates

and even then a new lightning dps would just mog his ass

[cobalt apex]

poor cal

got done dirty from cbt2 to 1.0

and then 1.0 to 1.1

[rotund drum]

i think it was more of a mistake with encore being better than intended

i dont think they wanted really good standard 5*s

i think its reasonable to assume that jinhsi is just the new standard going forward

and that 1.0 chars are just weak by design

[weary acorn]

fundamentally flawed but serviceable

calcacharo getting rolled by his own mechanic limitation is also another factor

[rotund drum]

changli doesnt really stand out to me either tbh

[knotty fiber]

Well I should probably say swap dps

[rotund drum]

but at least better than midcharo

[knotty fiber]

Kinda like hsi

But she takes less field time

[rotund drum]

think its the other way around

hsi but more field time

cant just keep swapping out

she needs 4 stacks for her nuke and her skills only give her 2 on a 24s cd

so she'll need to spam NAs to get the rest

[edgy cobalt]

could pull changli to make her and encore work together ig

kinda glad I held out on picking calcharo though lmao, maybe I could use my 2 selectors on jx and s2 verina after all

[ripe pollen]

@rotund drum Do we have any idea how much dps Changli does?

[rotund drum]

you're gonna have to ask one of the TC'ers

its hard to do calcs without frame counts

[dense elbow]

No camellya or scar yet ig lmao

From stormy waves

[tawdry sapphire]

please let Zhezhi be a waifu '

[rotund drum]

more time to save i guess

tempted to keep going on danjin but i'll probably just end up with s2 midhsi

yuanwu (young) would be a good 5* alt

i guess some chicks are into the silver fox aesthetic though

[kind turtle]

WHAT

NOOOOOO

[rotund drum]

maybe its actually xiangling yao

and pyro will be saved

[dense elbow]

Another fusion char lets goooo

[knotty fiber]

In fact, that seems like the best one rn

Cuz Encore's dmg is huge as fuck

Dual carry Chang-core is what I have on my mind

[forest dome]

who?

real fusion sp now?

[edgy cobalt]

I still play @quasi sable

[quasi sable]

I stopped

Cuz can't stand with the laggy

[edgy cobalt]

damn filtered

I’d probably be inclined to stop cuz I’m getting bored and still feels like I’m playing genshit at the end of the day

but the high in getting lucky and progressing in tower is keeping me

[night mantle]

they are prob adding a support for changli in 1.2...also zhezhi has some musical instrument coz her ult makes a sound like that

[knotty fiber]

I'm not sure if I wanna build another Fusion set rn

Cuz I haven't even finished 1 set

4/5 rn

[night mantle]

prob zhezhi will be the 5* and yan a 4*

[dense elbow]

Was joking about oppa smh

[rotund drum]

incidentally i finally got an unzoomed B4 > E on a real mob and it does in fact continue even during the timestop and deals damage

[quasi sable]

The pulls can't be stopped huh

[dense elbow]

Idk if itll work too well if ur idea is to outro to encore for a carry team since changlis buff doesnt last long enuf for encore 😭

[rotund drum]

so map all your buttons to E and mash them i guess

[knotty fiber]

It's because they're stupid somehow

Keeping the buff 10s

[dense elbow]

Lmfao

[knotty fiber]

Like wtf

[dense elbow]

They rly shouldnt have

But even then changli looks to be more of a carry herself regardless

[knotty fiber]

I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a backlash

Cuz Yin's is 14s

And Chang's is 10s

[dense elbow]

No clue

[edgy cobalt]

10s might just barely be enough to complete encore ult rot

[dense elbow]

Unfortunately isnt for all her dmg

[knotty fiber]

14s is more than enough

[dense elbow]

And it wont apply to the forte hit regardless

[knotty fiber]

Huh

[dense elbow]

Swapping out removes Amplify effects

Lmao

[knotty fiber]

I mean

That's the same for Sanhua

[edgy cobalt]

erm I see prydwen cooked an 11.45 second rotation, guess we only need 12 seconds

[knotty fiber]

Encore Sanhua is a thing anyway

[dense elbow]

Yeah but if it stayed then encore couldve got 45% amplify on her fotre

Coz its ult dmg

[knotty fiber]

Can't have everything ig

[forest dome]

drop the support patch then we peaking

[knotty fiber]

What hits me is that Changli's BA isn't very fast

And doesn't have high multi

So using it to charge true sight is

Nuh uh

I personally don't think it's optimal enough

[dense elbow]

I mean u arent there for her BAs, 90% of her dmg is skill dmg and getting true sight is pretty easy

[knotty fiber]

I know

But you spend time doing the BA that is

[dense elbow]

Regardless almost all of her attacks are insane parry game

And s1 gives her IR lmao

Easy unga bunga char again

[candid plume]

@opal venture I've been trying Calch EE > swap > Calch E m Lib cancel

it's just so fragile

but it is such a good idea in theory

I

I'll try a lot more ig

until it works

[lucid pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-instantly-firefly-star-rail-hsr-gif-10247652067771483564

[blissful tulip]

Future updates may add more endgame content at least

But for the time being it really does feel near identical

[outer jetty]

TCG time

[lucid pebble]

[winged belfry]

Nothing speak sub-dps, aside from low field time by main dps standards

[knotty fiber]

She's more of dual carry to me

Until you get like what, S3 or S5

[blissful tulip]

Is 1.2 meant to be a filler patch, btw?

Seems a little early for one

[knotty fiber]

Might be

Might not be

And depends on what you consider a filler patch too

[dense elbow]

Mhm and even then not necessarily "low", she can do but long CDs on stuff still so not much else you wanna do lmao

[dense elbow]

Not like every new update needs a new exploration area imo

Id hope we at least get story

[rotund drum]

story is always fine ||as long as i can skip it||

[dense elbow]

[rotund drum]

iirc her attacks are relatively fast and they loop into each other unlike jinhsi's so she should be ok for field dps

[dense elbow]

Should be able to

[rotund drum]

just gotta use skill to start the loop then just spam divekicks

[dense elbow]

Yeah changlis attack aims are kinda stupid

Easiest parries of ur life

And can just ignore everything with bellborne coz she has 90% dmg reduction lmfao

Get s1, bam now got IR too

[blissful tulip]

Only for three attacks, to be fair

[dense elbow]

I mean even then, if you die with that type of utility available to you then lmfao

40% dmg reduction in her kit is already getting ridiculous imo lol

She has no need for it yet they said fk it give it to her anyways

[neat robin]

Why is crownless holo such a bitch

[candid plume]

@opal venture I like your strat but 130 ER Yinlin is not enough for it, and neither is 120 ER S1 Calch #・tc-bot-spam message

I'd get more ER from subs but keep using this rotation

I like it a lot

EE > swap > E mercy cancel is kinda nice

[blissful tulip]

What'd you find difficult about him?

[opal venture]

U forgot to use yinlin 2E after swap cancelling the last dm

[candid plume]

it isn't supposed to be tere

[opal venture]

Like always start with yinlin 2E -> calcha 2E

[candid plume]

because she would not be able to cancel her echo if she did that

she would generate too much concerto if I did the 2E there

that's just how it is sadly

[opal venture]

Then once you come back from ver -> calcha u should have another 2E

[candid plume]

I CANT

u wanna look at the concerto bar?

and how dangerously close it is

[opal venture]

That is one reason my rot was pretty straight forward

[candid plume]

if I did a single more basic on Yinlin I would not be able to swap cancel her echo

[opal venture]

Since i stack concerto very quick

[candid plume]

THE PROBLEM IS TOO FAST CONCERTO

are u READING

u want me to demonstrate doing it?

sure

ig u want to see Verina intro that much

[neat robin]

I cant tell when he starts his attack animations and idk if hes not supposed to have parrys, but I dont get any circles if there are any
Mostly skill issue on my end, I keep getting smacked by the wing attacks he does lol

[candid plume]

that or you want me to not swap to Verina 3 times

both are terrible ideas

[neat robin]

Think it would be dumb to rebuild cal on tunes set and just give yinlin the best electro set I can

[blissful tulip]

He has no parries until second phase, and they only appear on certain attacks

It's moreso dodging practice and reaction to fast attacks, especially during the two bursts he does in the second phase

You can make it easier by swapping one of your echoes to heron, as they counter the flying start-up

[neat robin]

Cyan/violet heron?

[blissful tulip]

Either work

[kind turtle]

i forgot i needed weekly mats but doing good enough

[candid plume]

u are cetainly very rich in mats and credits

wish I was u

[forest dome]

same

[kind turtle]

i have 1.4m credits

[neat robin]

I really need to go level my chars skills… they all have lv4-6, jiyan has some lv7s

[knotty fiber]

I have less than 100k creds now

[blissful tulip]

3m, Mt Tiranment gave a fuck ton

[kind turtle]

[blissful tulip]

Don't you worry after Jinshi I'll be poor again

[neat robin]

My spectro set is rolling too much lib%

I think jinhsi has +40% liberation now? like why

[edgy cobalt]

to me its only the combat that’s different and the little qols and “dev listened” motives they slide thru via rewards and responding to player feedback

glad for what it does and the decent lucksacks I get from the game I really like its challenge and I’ll def stick around to 30* toa but eventually if I have to stick with one gacha I’m gonna be in my hsr zone

[fierce tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098653794109243402/1257077701114855506/Qt8MPLDY4ZyXG2G_.mp4?ex=66831857&is=6681c6d7&hm=507d9f936c308c7d835a767ba72dd8b50b664d437b88689279a0d153508484f3&

looks like I'm getting her instead

didnt know she had a 2nd form till now

[winged belfry]

It's something you'll never see if you play her optimally

She gains blindfold on 4 stacks of forte

but ult gives you 4 stacks of forte

and max is 4

So casting ult while at 4 stacks wastes a full charged forte heavy

Even casting Alhaitham's burst while at 3 mirrors provides more benefits than casting Changli's liberation when she has 4 forte

[opaque flume]

Ayo my friend asked me whether bp weapon or standard 5* were better for jinshi

[neat robin]

Standard

Helios over bp afaik, was checking prydwen bp only gives cr

[outer jetty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/s/IlmjEyBztq

[rotund drum]

is it over for the CLSIMPs

[night mantle]

hey, do you guys found any interactive map, which shows chest from challenges/puzzles differently from chest that are found using lootmapper

[kind turtle]

there's one in pins

[night mantle]

appsample one doesn't differentiate btw them

[kind turtle]

oh

[cobalt apex]

https://wuthering.gg/map this one does i think

[rotund drum]

i kinda feel like aalto was supposed to be ahto

also i think its suppsoed to be jin-hsi and not jinh-si

so her name is actually JH

they should have just localized her name like those old 4kids cartoons used to do

Janesy

Johnny

Virginia

[winged belfry]

Standard

Bp is incredibly bad on Jinhsi

Worse than Gacha 4 star

[opaque flume]

Doesn’t she want crit%?

[winged belfry]

She does

But it has dead passive

[opaque flume]

Interesting

[winged belfry]

ATK sub broadblade with good passive is worth more than crit weapon with dead passive

[opaque flume]

Imagine spending 10$ for video game item

😔

[winged belfry]

Also, she's starved for ATK

Has so many DMG% buffs

But no ATK one

So that makes ATK weapons scale more favorably that they'd normally do

[rotund drum]

at least its a 3d item

the light cones in star fail are literally just a jpg

[opaque flume]

“At least it’s 3d” my brother in Christ you can buy like food or a lamp for that money

Idk

Pay off ur electricity bill

😭

😔

[rotund drum]

what are you gonna look at with that lamp

blank wall

at least in wuwa you get whale cred

[olive osprey]

Gojo Satoru's domain expansion hmm

[opaque flume]

Ur loving significant other

Also guys where is roguelike

The dreams thing

[rotund drum]

removed

too many people complained i think

devs listened

[opaque flume]

Is it?

I thought they were adding a part 2

[winged belfry]

They are, it's launching on 7th IIRC

[opaque flume]

Oh ok

[winged belfry]

They are treating it like recurrent long event rather than a permanent part of the game

[rotund drum]

ive noticed that if yuanwu's spike is onfield some chars will target it with their skills

hopefully apologems

[opaque flume]

Supposedly people liked it on the survey

Is what I heard

[winged belfry]

It's interesting

Needs some work

[opaque flume]

I found it fun

Was too easy tho

Just

You get too op

Too fast

[winged belfry]

But pool of available character was too small

[opaque flume]

Idk I didn’t have a problem

You can just use rover

Or the trial ones

[winged belfry]

It's like Simulated Universe

[opaque flume]

I used trial taoqi and baizhi they were fun

Ya it’s a roguelike

[winged belfry]

It's not intended to be balanced

Like ToA would be

[rotund drum]

they're adding midhsi and midli i think

should be funny

[opaque flume]

ToA is just dps check

[rotund drum]

she'll probably get some buff thats just infinite incandescence stacks

[opaque flume]

It’s boring ah Genshin abyss

Fr

The time limits are too short

If they doubled time limits and added buffed holograms

Would be fun

Or had the mob enemies have new ai

Or smth

Idk

Toa in current form is brainless dps check

[night mantle]

toa gets easy when you reach lvl80

[opaque flume]

I mean ngl it’s just Genshin abyss in its current form

But like

Slightly better cause there’s no swap lag

I hate Genshin swap lag

[cobalt apex]

i mean

we dont know in the future

if its going to be easier or harder than abyss

[opaque flume]

I’m not saying it’s the difficulty of abyss but it’s so similar rn

It’s just like mob/boss floors with short time limit

Which is just brainless dps check

[cobalt apex]

at least the boss floor in abyss dont get those shitass random mobs

making st chars in wuwa literally deadge

[night mantle]

they will prob not care for toa in future....like illusive realm is so hyped, they might make it the new end game

[opaque flume]

I mean they could merge hologram type gameplay with ToA ngl

And it would be a lot better

In my op

[cobalt apex]

can we make boss rooms actual boss rooms please?

[night mantle]

they can but they won't....bunch of low-skill players will go like "oh wait I can't kill this boss coz its so hard"

[opaque flume]

True I forgot average player sucks ass

Fr

[night mantle]

but ir they need a high hp training dummy as a challenge

[rotund drum]

they should add cars

even factorio has them

final fantasy and persona too

[opaque flume]

Ima sound like a crazy hater here but I don’t like jinshis stack mechanic

It means you can only get 1 good e per rot

Which is annoying

[night mantle]

it is a little annoying until you find all the timings

S6 mortefi or yuanwu is really good to fill it up

yinlin is good too, but she needs more time than the other

[opaque flume]

🐳

[night mantle]

just lucky with mortefi 🙂

[cobalt apex]

no

[opaque flume]

Why is freezing frost the same as havoc set

Just built sanhua

[cobalt apex]

wdym

half the echoes set in the game are the same

just difference elements

[opaque flume]

I mean havoc and glacio both proc on basic or heavy attack

Also does sanhua use freezing frost or er set

Same with mortefi

I have them both on their elemental set

Rn

[rotund drum]

Pins

Well it's still a couple of stacks

Might as well use baizhi at that point though

[night mantle]

tbh that doesn't matter when you have S6 moretfi with moonlit set and the heron

moretfi lib give 20% boost + moonlit set 22% boost for outro and heron 12% outro

for all this I need his lib and outro, plus his skill fire 4 more shots...this all fills up the bar

[fickle kernel]

what time of day did the last drip marketing happen

[forest dome]

so he kinda bricked compared to other coord options?

back to yuanwu or taoqi real...

[ebon jasper]

real

why theres mob there

streamable.com/3ls8y4

embed this smooth verina heron rotation ft. yuanwu

nuke every 15s

[opal venture]

How about both

[forest dome]

peak

i need more er

[opal venture]

https://streamable.com/1g7psw?src=player-page-share

You can check my run

[forest dome]

how much er on jinhsi

[opal venture]

109

I dont care about the burst dmg

[forest dome]

i just wanna abuse the floor buff

but ig thats ok

[opal venture]

I do too but not with current echo

[forest dome]

anw ty

[opal venture]

Actually i need crit rate more

Like 80+ should be a safe point

[forest dome]

not like i have much anw

58 crate

[opal venture]

I missed like 2 crit here

At 68 cr

[forest dome]

have yet to unlock the last 2 node for 5.6 crate?

idr value

running out of resources

just really need jue with crate subs atm

[opal venture]

Not yet

Im thinking to lvl up yuanwu first for his 2nd forte ascend to increase his pillar range

Spent too much time with him because of that

[forest dome]

weekly just reset so maybe.. in 15 jue there will be 1 crate...

[night mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255425354483503186/1257226844483227720/chang.png?ex=6683a33d&is=668251bd&hm=87926b2f48e3a6399bceaa3b79425338cfcbe74ff7ff3faa1d3102e788a3b74d&

Chixia mains rise up

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-agatha-harkness-agatha-stand-up-gif-25367995

[dense elbow]

Not even listing the rots 😔

Do u have a source for this?

[robust axle]

Changli better than jinhsi confirmed

More dmg contribution

https://tenor.com/view/jhnnycrwsh-forsen-nymn-batchest-twitch-gif-24086134

[blissful tulip]

Maybe I'll pull Changli for a chance at her Sig instead of Jinshi

Seeing that the BP weapon is worse in comparison to the gacha 4*'s on Jinshi is

I thought the 20% crit rate would end up being much more beneficial for her nuke playstyle

[weary acorn]

They don't have serpent spine or dm it's joever

[dense elbow]

In the middle of cooking changli rn she looks very gud ngl

Need someone at some point to get frames tho idk if anyone will

Current rotation im looking at

[cobalt apex]

how much er does she need to burst every rot with this one

or is it not worth

[dense elbow]

Not sure right now as i dont have access to my pc

But it should be worth to burst every rot

As she gets another forte heavy

[cobalt apex]

150 resonance energy

[robust axle]

https://tenor.com/view/changli-wuthering-waves-gif-1557998021278619761

Worth it to see this animation

[dense elbow]

Assuming she doesnt need an ER 3 cost to achieve it lmao

[cobalt apex]

just get er sub on all 5 pieces fr

[robust axle]

Doesn't the standard 5* give er

[cobalt apex]

12.8% yea

like x1.3 of a sub

[robust axle]

Oh 😭

[weary acorn]

Few step closer

Just rng the subs

[cobalt apex]

if she actually need like 4-5 subs

im so screwed

[dense elbow]

Idk if itll be possible tbh

May just have to do it every other rot

[dense elbow]

Id laugh if she ended up being able to with 5 er subs and standard 5 star

Coz thatd shoot its value up a lot vs sig xD

[night mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927934352464150609/1257312880873832528/sensor-tower-monthly-revenue-report-june-2024-v0-vm8oqkcv2w9d1.png?ex=6683f35e&is=6682a1de&hm=9968a32c0bf4360c0e5d2317dc61d441b1f0921830c85a46157dea37340a5a7f&

Revenue on mobile

[outer jetty]

144p

[night mantle]

"open in browser"

[cobalt apex]

seems like firefly propaganda did get hsr a lot of money

[night mantle]

yup it worked

[robust axle]

Nah genshin flopping hard

Shit game frfr

[fierce tinsel]

I mean, majority of Honkek audience are gullible people who'd buy any waifu bait narrative tbf

doesnt matter how bad the writing is

[rotund drum]

shes also top tier and has a nice ass so its not just the writing

i skipped the story but still simped

firefly might unironically be the game's first legit 10.0 dps tbh

universal weakness implant, aoe, break spam

only downside is that she doesnt have a way to deal with boss gimmicks that involve having to deal actual damage before you can break them

like gepard's shield

[neat robin]

Do I run heron or bell 4cost on sanhua (moonlit set)

[lament shuttle]

Heron every time

[dense elbow]

^^ coz ur rejuv char always runs bell instead

[winged belfry]

Why don't just:

Intro - TS in
Liberation
Heavy - 4 stacks out
TS basic - TS out. 1 stack
Skill - TS in
TS basic - TS out 2 stack
HA -BA4 - TS in
TS basic - TS out 3 stack
Skill - TS in
TS basic - TS out 4 stack
Heavy Forte
Echo swap cancel?

She gains 10s of 25% ATK buff on burst

It'd be a waste not to start with that.

[cobalt apex]

pretty sure that it doesnt say the duration of the ATK buff

also burst right after intro is -1 enflamement stack

so kinda 🧱

[dense elbow]

Intro doesnt give a stack does it?

[cobalt apex]

it does enter TS tho

[dense elbow]

Yeah thats where the TS Basic after heavy comes in

Assuming you can do heavy without N1 first

[cobalt apex]

wait

[dense elbow]

Even then tho idk if burst is gonna be usable every rot

[winged belfry]

It doesn't

[cobalt apex]

we can have 2 states stack on top of each other?

[winged belfry]

It gives TS

[winged belfry]

These are separate states

[dense elbow]

Intro is the one putting you in state there, not forte or ult

[cobalt apex]

fiery feather doesnt affect true sight right?

[winged belfry]

Huh

Ok, wording is super confusing

[cobalt apex]

game wording or my wording

[winged belfry]

Game working

Wording

[dense elbow]

Shouldn't do

Fiery feather isbjust an atk buff lol

But

Its weird wording

[winged belfry]

Yeah

It's just ATK buff

[dense elbow]

She has 10s to use her HA to get a 25% atk buff

It doesnt specify a duration so is that ATK gonna stick around for other attacks

[cobalt apex]

yea

which is very weirdge

[dense elbow]

Idt theyd just give her an infinite duration 25% atk xD

[winged belfry]

I'd assume it shares duration

[cobalt apex]

they couldve just added until swap out

[winged belfry]

And it starts when burst ends

[cobalt apex]

and everything'll be good

[winged belfry]

But doesn't become active until you do HA

[dense elbow]

Hmmm

[cobalt apex]

wait

have anyone here not done the story quest?

can test that

[dense elbow]

Unfortunately have

[winged belfry]

I've completed it as well

[cobalt apex]

hmmge

[winged belfry]

Well, she does seem to force at least 24s rotations, and have around 12s uptime

Only method of extending it is like be doing basic/ha into TS and then cashing out on that

[dense elbow]

Just replace the 2nd E with B4 or HA B3-4 ig lmao

[winged belfry]

Which I don't think will be worth it

[cobalt apex]

ig we'll know when she comes out

[dense elbow]

So u keep the same enflamemenr stacks

Dont need to extend just alternate skill with BAs if u dont have it up

[winged belfry]

One takes a lot longer than the other

[dense elbow]

Better than not getting that forte heavy off and wasting stacks imo

[winged belfry]

A since you really want to start with your bursts, getting stacks after rotation is a waste

[cobalt apex]

starting with burst might require an insane amount of er

[dense elbow]

If you end up doing a rot that has no ult coz u used it last rot and dont have both Es up and you choose to just do 0 forte heavies

[cobalt apex]

dont know if we can even consistently do it

[dense elbow]

Thats kinda griefing imo lmao

[winged belfry]

Probably

[dense elbow]

150 energy

You arent doing that every rot

Lmao

[cobalt apex]

er 3 cost

[dense elbow]

If u need an ER mainstat to do it it aint worth it

Imo

[cobalt apex]

probably yea

[dense elbow]

You lose way too much stats lol

[winged belfry]

I'd say that I'd say that It's one of the case where I'd say ER main stat is justified

It's 25% ATK

Half a main stat

[cobalt apex]

we dont even know if its for the entire uptime yet

since weirdge wording

[dense elbow]

Check cn

[winged belfry]

If you do a burst every other rotation you are grieffing

[dense elbow]

If she cant get the ER reasonably you dont have a choice lol

[cobalt apex]

u might even have to use er 3 cost + standard 5* + er subs to reach the requirement

[winged belfry]

ER main stat is a reasonable thing IMHO

[cobalt apex]

thats so many stats wasted

[winged belfry]

ER subs are given

[dense elbow]

Idk if she cant do it with 50% er in subs and 12% er fron standard 5 star

[cobalt apex]

if ur always searching for er subs u have less chance for better echoes

[outer jetty]

UL60 drop
Tacet field still feel low

[dense elbow]

It aint worth swapping mainstat imo

[cobalt apex]

yea tacet field is 🧱

barely scale with UL levels

[winged belfry]

3 star echo has 30% ATK or Fusion or 32% ER

[cobalt apex]

so atk buff is gone

alright

[dense elbow]

Doesnt help

Nono

[cobalt apex]

ends early is also weirdge

nvm

[dense elbow]

The effect ends early after casting refers to the within 10s thing

But id assume it means the atk is only for that attack still

😭

[winged belfry]

If by swapping from Fusion Fusion to Fusion ER you can get Burst every rotation then it's worth it IMHO

[teal sparrow]

Hello Leifay! How is 1.1 going

[dense elbow]

Alright im exhausted lmao

[teal sparrow]

Hope you've been mining the pixel trees ⛏️

[dense elbow]

Still not had that glitch lol

[teal sparrow]

[dense elbow]

In the end depends if skipping it every other rot is better for overall dmg or not

[cobalt apex]

i havent seen it too but 107 saw it in my world

[winged belfry]

I really cannot imagine how missing on 4 stacks and ult damage would result in high damage

It's a lot

[dense elbow]

ZLs ult is a big number too

[winged belfry]

Not really fitting comparison

[dense elbow]

Yelans dmg if she can get off ER sands / be under 150 ER is also quite a big increase

[cobalt apex]

also leifa this is for the heavy/liber only right?

[dense elbow]

I imagine so lemme check cn

[cobalt apex]

why does the wording never specify that attack only or it has duration

[winged belfry]

Yelan can be paired with Sac sword XQ

[dense elbow]

Doesnt help literally the same thing

[winged belfry]

We don't have any batteries in WuWa

Technically

Well

Heron

But heron is limited

[dense elbow]

Its the same situation with XQ tho, if you could get him off ER weapon and/or ER Sands, its a lot more dmg

[cobalt apex]

when will we have wuwa favge

[dense elbow]

Theres yangyang but iirc sanhua makes just about as much lol

[dense elbow]

We have it its just a 3 star and nerfed heavily lol

[cobalt apex]

[dense elbow]

With the concerto one being 4 star

[winged belfry]

Yeah, voyager series

[dense elbow]

Which is pretty gud on chars like verina

[winged belfry]

And music series for concerto

[cobalt apex]

also leifa wording on this one specifically is so weird
does this mean enflamement stack gain by ult doesnt increase fusion dmg

[winged belfry]

All have 20s cd

[cobalt apex]

shruge

[dense elbow]

Seems its fusion dmg only for her TS Basics

[cobalt apex]

ah i see

[dense elbow]

If u TS Basic after ult, youd have 20% bonus on those atks but you also just lose a stack lmao

[cobalt apex]

lol

[winged belfry]

Yeah

It's a headscracher

They made her really good animations

And a mess of a kit

[dense elbow]

Lmao

I wish fiery feather would last the whole 10s even if it only affected her HAs

Coz then ult at the start would still be worth

Coz u could buff both HAs

[cobalt apex]

i mean it might be true

the atk buff

[dense elbow]

I mean even en saye "after which fiery feather ends"

Which is the buff

So you cast HA, get atk buff, then once its finished casting, it ends

😔

Also

Her 2nd passive honestly reads to me like the 15% def ignore is universal???

😭

Coz it says "and Changli ignores 15% of the targets DEF when dealing damage"

But idt it is

Itd be a separate line rather than tacked into one

[cobalt apex]

yea 😭

it shouldve been written as heavy/liber does 20% more fusion dmg and 15% def ignore

or heavy/liber ignores 15% def

[rotund drum]

does heron charge the onfield char or the char holding it

[forest dome]

is it just me or data bank reroll rate is much better

or ig just lv21 moment

[robust axle]

my jiyan deals more dmg than my jinhsi

[sterile swallow]

Does your Jinhsi have her forte maxed? She deals incredible damage at max stacks

[robust axle]

tbf not really

my units are NOT build

[rotund drum]

i wouldnt worry about it too much tbh

from what ive heard PGR creeps like crazy

[sterile swallow]

Not me, but if your spectro rover is built (share the echoes with Jinhsi). They can also function as a 1 person army. EoG is free at UL45 too

[winged belfry]

imho, Jinhsi feels pretty bad unless you have maxed out forte

and that requires Yinlin or Yuanwu

[sterile swallow]

Good thing the latter is free and does not require you to build him

[forest dome]

5 crit rate jue all rolled badge...

no more resource n still 12.6 cdmg

[rotund drum]

"bad"

you can halfass jinhsi pretty hard and she'll still 1.0 dps damage

her standard skill combo does over 1k% damage before you even get to the nuke and her ult is like 1.5k%

with only like 10 stacks her nuke is already 900%

meanwhile CCRSIMPs will wrote you copessays about doing rotations that get you an extra use of death messenger which isn't even 1000% per

[night mantle]

jinhsi vs jiyan dmg per rotation by prydwen

[knotty fiber]

solo?

tf

I need video

[neat robin]

My jinhsi has 2 dead echos but

Need to ascend again for the rest of her passive stats

[forest dome]

i can barely roll crate

[blissful tulip]

200k difference already

Granted, Jiyan has CC and AoE

But Jinshi's AoE isn't half bad either

And the higher ToA floors are mainly boss checks

[lament shuttle]

Where video of this huh

[clear stump]

5* yuanwu that buff spectro waiting room

[edgy cobalt]

tbf mortefi can solo tower with charged shot spam

well him and verina https://youtu.be/PzNb3F53njc?si=qUVrxP_jcbrT9X59

[neat robin]

I just want to see what kind of echos these clears use

Mine sure as hell cant do it yet

[edgy cobalt]

double crit in every echo and crit weapon clearly

or you can just wait till UL60 and beat toa with subpar builds but maxed out forte trees

[knotty fiber]

dammit

looks like I'm pulling Zhezhi

[rotund drum]

hopefully zhezi saves whatever s/he does

[rough brook]

Is this passive good for yinlin?

I have this one on her

[rotund drum]

its the best she's getting

she does use heavy and skil at least

unlike midwu

[fickle kernel]

im out of all relic exp and money again

smh

jinhsi never getting built

[night mantle]

Hey 4 cost heron.. for buffs do I need to wait for its jump atk to land before using outro or I can already switch?

I am watching many yt vids where people use outro even before heron lands

[knotty fiber]

It doesn't require end of transformation

As long as you transform into it, you're gtg

[fickle kernel]

are tacit fields rly the only way to get echo exp

like why is it so slow

[blissful tulip]

Weekly bosses and overworld bosses also give echo exp

As well as exploration

But Tacet fields give the most, and once you're done with farming ascension mats and talents there's not much else to farm

[kind turtle]

there we go

now to update my encore stats

[neat robin]

I need to spend the week catching up
Need jinhsi to lv80
Jiyan jinhsi hrover yinlin talent stuff

Is anyone doing weapons to lv80 while on ul50 farming?
Drop rate feels hella low when you need 8 golds for 70/80 weapon

[kind turtle]

i fully farmed the trace stuff during ul40

[neat robin]

Mine are sitting around lv5-7 now for talents & halfway done passives
All have lv70 weapons (ignoring support weapons for now they dont do dps to need it)

Was sorta reluctant on talent farming cuz I wasnt sure what teams to settle on
But the 4 I said above. And prob encore and I should be fine for a while

[winged belfry]

I'm a bit concerned that they seem to make Changli a dual DPS for Encore

Not a flexible position

[rotund drum]

the trace mat droprate goes way up at ar50 lol

they'll probably nerf this

[winged belfry]

Why?

[rotund drum]

it goes from like 2-3 blues with a chance of a purple to 2-3 purples with a chance of a gold

it literally like triples the droprate

[night mantle]

the average is 1-1.2 gold mat drop per run

[kind turtle]

UL40 also can drop gold

[night mantle]

yeah but that's just luck...if we talk about when you get purple then its 1-1.1 gold mat drop per run

and in a day you can do 6 runs so 6-8 gold mats per day

[kind turtle]

I haven't done ul50 myself, but my UL40 AVG drop was 30 green

[night mantle]

30 -> 10 -> 3 -> 1

[kind turtle]

27 green per gold on a normal scale

[night mantle]

yup

[kind turtle]

So 1.1 gold

[night mantle]

and out of 6 if you got lucky then might go to 9 gold mat drops

I got back to back 1 gold drops yesterday

[fickle kernel]

i rly enjoy the ice cube puzzles

theyre so easy but theyre so cute wtf

[neat robin]

What are yall talking about I’m ul52 and have gotten 1 gold drop out of like 20 runs

[night mantle]

yup the puzzles in 1.1 are better than 1.0

[night mantle]

the gold drops are just luck...we are talking about as a whole.. green + blue + purple per run