jinhsi is just waiting on other options sadly
#・wuwa-lounge
oak copper
third slot is a massive pain atm
blissful tulip
Agreed
karmic crag
Jue
forest dome
jinhsi e2 only work once in toa?
opal venture
I’m also waiting to build Jinhsi to clear middle tower
Just reach ul50 today too, if I can farm calcharo yinlin jinhsi all to lvl80 then high chance to get full star next week
neat robin
Calcharo makes me sad
Farming 2 full electro sets for a solid month and they still both suck
opal venture
At this point I think it is better for Yinlin sticking with moonlit
My calcharo is kinda strong tho
neat robin
My lv50 encore had more atk & cdmg than lv70 cal… and cal has cdmg passives
opal venture
Idek why calcharo receives so much hate due to being the hardest char to play in wuwa
neat robin
I cant seem to find crit & atk sub pieces
Cal is 65/200 and yinlin(string) is 60/230 or so but both stuck at 1.4k atk
neat robin
Triple dm from cal is fun for sure
I just have shit echos so he does shit dmg
opal venture
With luxutrous ofc
neat robin
The standard 5* blade?
opal venture
Yes
neat robin
Ah. I gave mine bp blade
neat robin
Since 3 of my 5 chars in progress are all blades lol
opal venture
And i dont plan to buy any more bp
boreal oasis
Btw @dense elbow do yk roughly how much dmg encore contributes in a yinlin team
Where ur mostly just using echo outro
Skill
neat robin
I want to get encore and jinhsi up to lv80 too
Jiyan is 2k atk and 67/250 or so now
Encore at lv70 is 1.6k atk and 65/230?
They all have lv70 weapons though cuz 8 gold mats is rough still even at ul50
cobalt apex
waiting for resin
neat robin
Any hrover cons after c3 now?
cobalt apex
no
neat robin
c6 srover
c3 hrover
rotund drum
thats what dlss3 is
kind turtle
i have the opposite problem, enough to max traces and weapon but only 7/12 boss mats for lvl80 😔
cobalt apex
i have the opposite problem, enough to max traces and weapon but only 7/12 boss ...
stocked do u record data for trace mats drop
kind turtle
yeah
kind turtle
😔
rotund drum
what are the nonwhales doing for JS combo btw
are you guys doing the whole air combo or going straight into nuke
i kinda feel like whole combo takes too long for not enough extra damage but idk
rotund drum
she already has her own stand and gets megabuffs from every CAspammer
so idk about that
rotund drum
i remember when yinsimps were getting mad at me for saying yuanwu was good because he has no field time
dense elbow
Btw <@280016643558604800> do yk roughly how much dmg encore contributes in a yin...
Not sure specifically maygi might have smth but its not rly a team with a fixed rot for me
If i get time i can ask her later but bit busy moving out this weekend
robust axle
Alright yall is my jiyan still pog or is this a star rail situation
dense elbow
He's still good
dense elbow
Saying "ew powercreep" doesnt make sense to me because 1.1 chars are basically just 1.0 chars released late
The game hasnt had a chance to cook to even say something powercreeps lol
robust axle
Cook leifa
dense elbow
Cook dn
oak copper
Jiyan also comes with strong grouping and thus AoE coverage, would be a bit silly if he did just as much damage as other limited DPS with less AoE and less means to make their AoE work
robust axle
Truetrue
Also i saw some stuff about taoqi and changli synergy is there any credibility to that
rain briar
which of these is the most worth it?
i'm leaning on between the sword and pistol, but i want y'all's opinion
wheat moon
Sword is no brainer and pistol is 2nd best choice if u have sword alr
dense elbow
Also i saw some stuff about taoqi and changli synergy is there any credibility t...
Almost all of changlis dmg is skill so yeah
Just taoqi having her own issues rly
Rly shit concerto generation does not help
Funny enuf R5 discord only just about cuts her combo down a lil bit
robust axle
Ahh i see
robust axle
Sword is no brainer and pistol is 2nd best choice if u have sword alr
How good is lustrous razor , i was planning on getting it
dense elbow
Its pretty gud for our claymore chars
For jinhsi the difference between that and 4 stars is very big
About on par with jiyan sig and gives her ER she needs
robust axle
hmm lustrous for jiyan or sword for changli ...
dense elbow
Iirc ir was like 18% behind her sig??? But better to check the specific numbers for the chars u want on prydwen
dense elbow
None of the weapons are particularly bad dmg wise tho lol
Considerable upgrade over 4 star options rly
robust axle
I wonder if we'll get drip for 1.2 units 
dense elbow
No clue
robust axle
They did it for 1.1 but idk why they didnt do it for 1.2
dense elbow
camellya doko...
If shes considerably better than hrover we have a problem lol
dense elbow
They did it for 1.1 but idk why they didnt do it for 1.2
Well they also posted other images for chars like that so
kind turtle
if the 1.0 shortening didnt happen, going by 1.1 drip timing it should be tomorrow?
but
thats cope
dense elbow
May have just been a launch thing
robust axle
if the 1.0 shortening didnt happen, going by 1.1 drip timing it should be tomorr...
Ah fr?
cobalt apex
thats cope
robust axle
That might be it
kind turtle
the 1.1 drip was 5/4 days before release for jinhsi and changli, and that would be tomorrow, 5 days before 1.1 original date being the 5th
cobalt apex
hopefully
robust axle
If its not some cool ass black shores guys skipping wll be easy
robust axle
:clueless
kind turtle
camellya will release and be double hrover dps
robust axle
There's some sfx for new characters in the leak reddit page that came with 1.1 load
blissful tulip
HRover will be relegated to nuke swap in only
kind turtle
while having self healing so you dont need verina
robust axle
Those might be it
blissful tulip
As sticking with him is a DPS loss 
outer jetty
Resonance Skill buffer when 
robust axle
Resonance Skill buffer when <:A_BaldTaoO:861373722572226580>
TAOQI
dense elbow
camellya will release and be double hrover dps
Then we'll have a problem coz smth like that could shit on jinhsi lmfao
robust axle
TASSIVE MITS LADY
dense elbow
while having self healing so you dont need verina
Youd still want verina
Rejuv
You aint putting rejuv on ur dps lol
kind turtle
yuanwu with cruisewing smh
cobalt apex
dense elbow
Not originite? Lmao
robust axle
Yuanwu better than midlin
dense elbow
Cruisewing has no place over bellborne imo when originite exists
kind turtle
then originite ez
dense elbow
Verina also has 20% atk 15% all amp so
kind turtle
solved
cobalt apex
so true
robust axle
Wtf is rejuvenation
dense elbow
Id like camellya to be a more supportive kit
dense elbow
Wtf is rejuvenation
5pc healer set
kind turtle
danjin for outro
robust axle
5pc healer set
Ahh
kind turtle
running moonlit + heron
dense elbow
danjin for outro
Yeah give a more general support, danjin can stay flex slot
cobalt apex
u've already decided that she's havoc?
cobalt apex
wait we do?
robust axle
Glacio jumpscare
cobalt apex
dense elbow
We have her old kit from cbt2
cobalt apex
im out of touch
robust axle
She was in cbt2???
dense elbow
Unfinished kit but she was a havoc sword from that data
robust axle
What
dense elbow
She was in cbt2???
Not playable
robust axle
Damn
cobalt apex
i see
kind turtle
she got a glowup between then and now as well
cobalt apex
hrover creep
boreal oasis
Not sure specifically maygi might have smth but its not rly a team with a fixed ...
Nws- was just considering how much freeing up stringmaster would do for my account but I have s4 jinzhou and can use the box if I need to too
cobalt apex
dense elbow
robust axle
she got a glowup between then and now as well
Verina is the biggest winner of glowup , girl looked like an onion 
kind turtle
fighting nahida for the living vegetable award
robust axle
Wuwa kits are a pain to read
robust axle
outer jetty
Another update 
robust axle
I wish elements actually did something 😔
blissful tulip
Wanted to ask out of curiosity, is there any intro skill worth investing in at all?
They feel like a wasted slot
robust axle
Another update <:A_smolhutao:795081933980696646>
Whole ass redownload of the game as an update and still not functioning properly
outer jetty
I wish elements actually did something 😔
Even if no elemental reaction, I wish at least there is elemental interaction against enemies
kind turtle
there is, sometimes it does less damage
dense elbow
Wanted to ask out of curiosity, is there any intro skill worth investing in at a...
Jinhsis is required in her rot and gets a 50% increase from her 2nd passive but u dont prioritise it over other talents
kind turtle
encore's intro is decent damage to just kill stuff
robust axle
Even if no elemental reaction, I wish at least there is elemental interaction ag...
Yeah anything flavourful would've sufficed but its just there so there could be specified sets and kits
dense elbow
Most intros dont do a lot of dmg tho and we have no char that specialises in intro dmg
cobalt apex
sometimes it does no damage too
dense elbow
Idr if the MV was standardized or not
Pretty sure they were or at least were close in numbers
kind turtle
it doesnt help when encore's outro does like 20x the intro 😭
dense elbow
Yeah outros have no levels so its a fixed fat mv lol
robust axle
Can outros parry
kind turtle
encore's can
dense elbow
It can??
kind turtle
yeah
dense elbow
Its just a dmg field no??
kind turtle
each damage tick is a parry window
cobalt apex
damn'
dense elbow
Lmao thats funny
robust axle
Oh shit encore stocks just rose
dense elbow
Enjoy getting that to happen when you want it
kind turtle
cobalt apex
lmfao
kind turtle
real
dense elbow
If anyone does its yinlin for me lmao coz of her weird ish hitboxes
blissful tulip
I believe HRover's also does the same
dense elbow
Idt all her stuff can parry anyways
blissful tulip
While I was fighting Mephis I had the exact same circumstance as Stocked
cobalt apex
i still hate the intro
blissful tulip
It's why I've been playing SRover 
cobalt apex
robust axle
Yeah
dense elbow
And they have no place with jinhsi either
robust axle
Also no cool scythe and wing
dense elbow
So stocks down for them
Sad coz its a kit i rather liked
But if i had to pick if i had a hrover or srover
Hrover any day lmfao
blissful tulip
And they have no place with jinhsi either
Isn't their Concerto regen relatively quick? Alongside the 10% Spectro Res down, decent damage of his own as well as Jué providing stacks for Jinshi?
cobalt apex
Also no cool scythe and wing
as cool as the scythe is i feel like a few atks kinda clunky in that form
blissful tulip
robust axle
as cool as the scythe is i feel like a few atks kinda clunky in that form
Idk nothing is built on my account so everything is clunky for me
dense elbow
No coordinated attacks either
They killed any spectro mc synergy when they designed her passive
Then kicked em down again when they added the coord condition
robust axle
I wish i had c6 mortexiangling
blissful tulip
Mainly wanted to ask as I was planning to put Verina elsewhere, I despise how clunky Baizhi and Jianxin are regarding their own concertos
dense elbow
Yeah verina is kinda the only good support slot for jinhsi 😭
Baizhi is fine but concerto takes too long imo and you rly wanna be able to intro to jinhsi quickly
As her 5pc requires it for dmg% too
cobalt apex
concerto moment
dense elbow
And her coords are too spaced out imo for how short her rot is but it does fine still in that department
Its mainly the fact she slows your dmg down by a lot
Coz u cant spam jinhsi as much
So id rather just use baizhi in another team
knotty fiber
@cobalt apex this is amazing
dense elbow
In other scenarios imo the difference isnt as big
cobalt apex
what did u cook this time
cobalt apex
how the fuck
blissful tulip
Suppose I'll have to run Rover with Chixia alongside Baizhi, then
knotty fiber
cuz I have never farmed for spectro before
only started ytd
so I didn't have a lot
now I ran out of cost 1
stuck with thisrn
high crit, high atk, but no cdmg
cobalt apex
ehhh
knotty fiber
she doesn't really need ER%
so it's only 2 effective rolls
I prefer dual crit + atk
cobalt apex
one of my 1 cost has double crit but no other useful stats
idk if i should try to upgrade it
dense elbow
Jinhsi and Mortefi scammage
Turns out Jinhsi's Basic Attacks during Incandesence will not proc Mortefi Resonance Liberation at S0 or S1, noticably lowering his synergy with her. S0 condition is dealing Basic or Heavy Attack DMG but S1 condition is casting a Resonance Skill. As Jinhsis attacks are still Basic Attacks dealing Skill DMG, it procs neither condition. To use Mortefi with Jinhsi effectively he essentially requires S5, allowing him to make extra Coordinated Attacks when casting his own Skill. If you have S1 Mortefi he kinda works but S0 Mortefi bricked.
cobalt apex
scammedge 
robust axle
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PYRO XQ
outer jetty
dense elbow
The Raiden Beidou of wuwa lmao
Its like he was coded to specifically not work with Jinhsi well
😭
dense elbow
Well even at S5
Its kinda eh
I wouldnt consider him as an option till S5
Id rather just use yuanwu regardless lol
dense elbow
S5 is specifically mortefis skills
rotund drum
i thought it was everyone's
dense elbow
When he uses skill it sends off coord hits
When Resonance Skill Passionate Variation or Resonance Skill Fury Fugue hits a target, Coordinated Attacks will be triggered to fire 4 Resonance Liberation's Marcato hit(s), dealing Fusion Damage. DMG of Resonance Liberation's Marcato fired in this way is reduced by 50%.
blissful tulip
## Jinhsi and Mortefi scammage
Turns out Jinhsi's Basic Attacks during Incandese...
Such a shame
dense elbow
Real
neat robin
Found a shiny cat spawn by the red tree
rotund drum
midlin still ok just because midwu procs are slowerthough
and a bit of extra damage
even though more field time
dense elbow
midwu stonks way up i guess
Tbf yuanwu has a lot more merit than i gave him credit for
And baizhi vs verina competiton is just kinda 😔
rotund drum
what we really need right now is a good healing echo
and one more CA attacker i guess
put midwu on heals then just field midhsi
neat robin
Does yuanwu need any cons or whatever specific to work?
Or def crit build… and moon set?
rotund drum
he needs s3
although you can run copewu still i guess
but s3 is what makes him not suck
dense elbow
put midwu on heals then just field midhsi
Idt we r gonna get a healing echo with buffs personally
neat robin
I just got mine to s4 yesterday off sig weapon banner
dense elbow
Coz then we just dont need originite
rotund drum
i just want one that does a partywide burst heal of like 5k
dense elbow
Originite is meant to be a sacrifice to dmg for the buffing but since yuanwu is def scaling theres no sacrifice its just good cdmg for him
rotund drum
not cruisewing healing a single char for 200 per tick
i think the def gauntlets still scale better if you have them
they're like +60% def
its pretty wild
dense elbow
Whilst fitting the fact he needs 0 field time
dense elbow
not cruisewing healing a single char for 200 per tick
Idk i just wouldnt use cruisewing anywhere
rotund drum
its either that or bell for rejuvglow and bell is honestly kinda w/e since JS gets so much dmg
dmg reduc still nice
i think its not a real shield though
dense elbow
i think the def gauntlets still scale better if you have them
Personal dmg it may be slightly better, team dmg definitely not
rotund drum
its just a few hits of damage cut
dense elbow
It gives IR as well which it doesnt mention
sterile swallow
I used Yuanwu with Jinhsi in tower. He's just there to proc rejuv set 
But I didn't level any talents or his echoes because he's not doing anything
Except being a rejuv/coord bot
rotund drum
his coord attack is okayish
its not like huge dps but its worth building for it
it does like 25% def scaling with s3
which is roughly the equivalent of 50% atk scaling
it should do around 3-4k per hit
dense elbow
Its alright but its not significant enough imo
Compared to the dmg other chars like mortefi can output in scenarios
That was yuanwus main issue
rotund drum
JS gets 100% spectro dmg just from mainstat + set plus any skill dmg subs she gets
and anything from weapon + s1
should be able to get +200% pretty easily
so +10% from bell isnt that huge
its like 3% marginal damage
dense elbow
Just not rly enuf dmg coz its balanced around his high vibration dmg
But breaking enemies doesnt actually increase dmg output like hsr so
sterile swallow
So with Jinhsi's sig equipped, can 3-cost echoes be Atk%/spectro instead of spectrox2?
dense elbow
Just not rly enuf dmg coz its balanced around his high vibration dmg
Yuanwu also benefits from that dmg% but pretty much any increase on jinhsi would be worth it more imo coz shes practically the entire teams dmg
sterile swallow
rotund drum
if you actually build midwu he bursts a couple hundred % def per rot pretty quickly
dense elbow
A 3% increase on jinhsi would he much bigger than a 3% increase on yuanwu for example
sterile swallow
Lv45 Yuanwu
rotund drum
it should be the equivalent of a bit under 1k% atk burst
opal venture
Jinhsji lvl 70 beats the crap out of Mephis 100 lol
rotund drum
regular skill > forte punch > ult is like 400-500% iirc
sterile swallow
The center tower buffing skill/liberation dmg by 60% totally favoring Jinhsi
dense elbow
I planned to look into it a bit myself but from what others ik had the originite bellborne was just
Preferred
His personal was dwarfed by jinhsi lmao
sterile swallow
Yeah I have originate and bellborne equipped on Yuanwu
rotund drum
im too cheap to level his ult so lets see what hakushin says
sterile swallow
You do not build Yuanwu for damage unless you have absolutely no one else to upgrade
The amount of return in damage you get is pitiful compared to other options
dense elbow
Mhm his main benefits rly are that he literally has negative field time with 2nd passive
Swap in, B1, swap out
XD
sterile swallow
Why they made his damage modifiers so small 
dense elbow
Why they made his damage modifiers so small <:A_HuCry:791398917869928496>
Moreso the fact all echo 2nd mainstats are atk or hp
No def lol
rotund drum
ult is 350% def, buffed skill is 40%, forte is 108%, spike detonation is 60%
dense elbow
But his numbers are balanced around the fact he breaks enemiesnso much faster
About 2.3x faster than other chars
But that doesnt rly matter xD
rotund drum
i think he can actually detonate the spike twice if you dont mind waiting 3s for the skill cd
neat robin
Origin is the 3* guantlet?
dense elbow
3s for the skill cd is not worth it lmfao
dense elbow
Origin is the 3* guantlet?
Yup
rotund drum
so you get 350% + 40% + 60% + 40% + 108% + 60% = 618%
and iirc he gets about twice as much def as most chars get in atk
so that's roughly the equivalent of 1200% atk scaling
dense elbow
Ok now compare that to what you could be doing on jinhsi instead when you just swap to yuanwu, B1, swap out
rotund drum
even jinhsi isnt doing 1200% in 3 seconds
sterile swallow
We must need another Yuanwu who's outro buffs resonance skill dmg pls
dense elbow
even jinhsi isnt doing 1200% in 3 seconds
Well her ult and skill 4 are bigger mvs than this so
Yes she is xD
rotund drum
they're bigger when charged
if you're just mashing onfield it'll be considerably less
she still needs some time to build up stacks so you might as well do burst rots on your other chars
instead of just mashing BAs on JS
dense elbow
Ult doesnt need charging, and imo rotating more frequently thru jinhsi is better dmg overall
You dont just mash her normal BAs
You basically just get to her every time off CD
rotund drum
well even if you dont wait the 3s its only one less spike
you actually dont really need to wait the 3s if its his second rot in
since he can detonate the spike from the last rot
he can do swap in > ult (detonate old spike) > E > charged E > swap out
should be like 2s
dense elbow
That ult isnt gonna be worth the dmg imo
rotund drum
its 350% def
dense elbow
May be wrong but i could be in and out on verina in that time
sterile swallow
As long as you outro into Jinhsi, she will never use BAs
dense elbow
Hes also not on an offensive set hes on rejuv so missing 40% dmg bonus on him is quite significant
dense elbow
As long as you outro into Jinhsi, she will never use BAs
Mhm
She needs the intro skill anyways
Coz it procs spectro 5pc
So if ur going into state with B4 you lose 30% dmg lol
sterile swallow
Bigger nuke damage. 200k damage in center tower with the current tower buffs
neat robin
Anyone know which quest lets me get underground? Trying to do the photo event
dense elbow
Sad reality is me and a few others saw potential in yuanwu early release and in cbt2
Then we went to calcing him
Ohhhhh he was not performing in raw dmg what we expected 😔
dense elbow
Anyone know which quest lets me get underground? Trying to do the photo event
Have you done the new main story?
I did all 9 photos and thats the only quest id done
neat robin
Yeah
dense elbow
Theres layered maps yeah
neat robin
Lemme check if there was an underground teleporter
dense elbow
The secret hideout place is also technically underground
But the door teleports you there
neat robin
The door doesnt work for me
neat robin
The teleport was covered by chest icons though it should connect to it anyways
rotund drum
i think the "layered" map is just them showing the tunnels now
neat robin
Hopefully ..
rotund drum
unlike areas like the lampylumen mines which are still showing as just being above ground
so you just have to guess
dense elbow
unlike areas like the lampylumen mines which are still showing as just being abo...
Oh they said those are coming
Just they havent been designed yet so theyll take time
rotund drum
its not like there's a big second underdark map or something though lol
enjoy your walmart dragonspine
dense elbow
enjoy your walmart dragonspine
Funny how its literally just dragonspine reinvented xD
Cold icy mountain
Big dragon theme to the point of the mountain being shaped like it
rotund drum
dragonspine is also just mountaintops of the giants
dense elbow
Just they made time freeze this time
rotund drum
chinese mobage devs cant come up with original shit
dense elbow
Chinese fantasy game or smth
Even jinzhou story was about the power of the country being given to the people rather than a higher being
Genshin it was zhongli
Wuwa it was jue
sterile swallow
Did someone post a Taoqi/Jinhsi video yet? I'm curious to see how that plays
rotund drum
at least no one reads the story
dense elbow
General chinese myth its based on mayb? Idk
night mantle
Anyone know which quest lets me get underground? Trying to do the photo event
you found the entrance?
dense elbow
Did someone post a Taoqi/Jinhsi video yet? I'm curious to see how that plays
I dont have a clip sadly but ohhhhhhhh its not pleasant....
😭
night mantle
Did someone post a Taoqi/Jinhsi video yet? I'm curious to see how that plays
I think I saw it on reddit or youtube
dense elbow
all i know is jue became evil and/or had to test jinhsi
He didnt become evil lmao
Well she
sterile swallow
Oh ok I'll look it up
dense elbow
Jue and jinhsi fought so jinhsi could have her 2nd resonance awakening
rotund drum
he wanted to destroy the world or something
neat robin
you found the entrance?
Used the underground teleport nearby, and ended up taking the elevator to upper level and just going by foot
rotund drum
to save it
dense elbow
For big clash of power
dense elbow
he wanted to destroy the world or something
No jue wanted to freeze jinzhou in time with the hope that in the future someone would be able to come up with a solution to save the city and unfreeze time
Coz if she didnt freeze time the tacet fields wouldve taken over and killed everyone
night mantle
I have S6 mortefi :)...just got today
dense elbow
But jinhsi didnt want the fate of the city to be left unknown with potentially no fix
rotund drum
yeah its the standard cliched anime plot where the god decides that humanity is bad because of stuff the bad guys did so he's gonna start over
and the mc shows him the power of friendship so he changes his mind
dense elbow
Not rly
night mantle
ahh it was not about bad
dense elbow
Jue didnt change their mind at all
But jinhsi challenged jue in order to have her 2nd resonance awakening and absorb jues power
Jue didnt want her to do that because if she failed she wouldve overclocked and died
rotund drum
btw leifa did you do any calcs on which part of JS's rotation its best to cancel at
into superskill
knotty fiber
done
rotund drum
i would do it but too lazy to do framecounts
knotty fiber
dense elbow
Anime cliche stuff comes in when you find out rover was jues old master and was the one who needed to give permission for the power transfer
rotund drum
plus i cant tell if casting the skill actually interrupts b4
night mantle
there we 2 ways for save jinhzou...first he stops time and hopefully someone in future finds to way to start time....2nd jinshi goes to her 2nd awakening (but this could have gone wrong)...so he was against it
dense elbow
btw leifa did you do any calcs on which part of JS's rotation its best to cancel...
You just do skill 3 into B1-4
It doesnt matter where u use it
Casting skill 4 mid B4 anim tho is worth
rotund drum
i cant tell if it interrupts the animation
dense elbow
Coz it comes available as soon as u input B4
rotund drum
dodging doesnt
dense elbow
Yeah we arent sure if the dmg still goes thru
rotund drum
i think the divekick definitely isnt worth but b4 might be
dense elbow
Doing anything mid basic combo wont interrupt the combo tho
dense elbow
i think the divekick definitely isnt worth but b4 might be
No you dont do anything in the middle of her basic combo
Theres no anims worth using instead
Intro, Skill 2, Skill 3, B1-4, Skill 4, Outro
rotund drum
well her full stand mode combo is b4 > divekick > superskill
but you can interrupt b4 at the very start with superskill to cut a big chunk of it off
not sure if b4 still goes through or if you still get s1 stack though
dense elbow
Oh i do plunge after Skill 4
Because you can swap cancel that into Outro
So you dont spend time doing the animation onfield
rotund drum
you can plunge before the skill too
she gets a slightly buffed plunge if you do it before skill
not sure if worth though
dense elbow
Not worth imo
Its not skill dmg and you can cancel B4s entire anim with Skill 4 basically
And i believe the B4 still goes through
But id need to check again
Even if it doesnt its worth using the Skill 4 as soon as its available
rotund drum
yeah i cant tell if the b4 goes through
if it goes through its def worth just mashing skill asap
i think the only way to test would be to get a mob really close to death so b4 would kill
then cancel immediately and see if its already dead before skill hits
dense elbow
Mhm
Easiest to test in co op where someone can record it from another perspective
Unfortunately busy rn tho
dense elbow
then cancel immediately and see if its already dead before skill hits
That works altho id rather the co op showcase so u can see the dmg numbers imo
Then calc against them
rotund drum
you should be able to see the MVs anyway
that shouldnt be an issue
if you mash E fast enough you cant even see the dragon coming out
dense elbow
Skill 4 has a cutscene so i wouldnt wanna pray the numbers pop up
rotund drum
the b4 numbers definitely arent showing when you do superskill
which is why we cant tell if its going through or not
dense elbow
Skill 4 has a cutscene so i wouldnt wanna pray the numbers pop up
If it was easy to see B4s numbers during S4s anim, we wouldnt be asking the question lol
rotund drum
i think if you do it near a wall you get the usual genshit unzoomed ult actually
i can try it later
dense elbow
Like it doesnt hide other numbers during her skill
dense elbow
i think if you do it near a wall you get the usual genshit unzoomed ult actually
That works if u wanna do it non co op actually
neat robin
If you’re standing in water no cutscene either
Not sure how deep it needs to be but I get that all the time killing herons in the rivers
hollow gorge
btw, do Hrover and Srover have separate vigor in ToA?
hollow gorge
yeah, it's decent
candid plume
I wanna learn how to play it well
hollow gorge
ehh, sorry, can't help with that
rotund drum
i was thinking to build mech quickswap midcharo but not enough rsc
candid plume
I see
Can you do it by critiquing my gameplay?
#・tc-bot-spam message
Can't upload vid here so I did it there and linked it
candid plume
I see
So in the vid here, I probably have a bad rotation, bad er etc
I kinda wanna know how to play it
What er is good enough etc
night mantle
I think my cal er is 130-140 and I get back his ult after every rotation
team: cal, yinlin, verina
candid plume
Yeah in that team, that er works
I have enough for that team
But in the vid, I was having er trouble
And maybe not utilizing Hrv forte cuz idk what I can fit when, in Calcharo's dm time windows
rotund drum
Not sure how deep it needs to be but I get that all the time killing herons in t...
i actually just tried it and the dragon animation doesnt go away at least
its hard to get in a spot where you can actually nuke a mob while in appropriately shallow ater
but i did get a gulpuff to die before the skill actually hit so the b4 probably killed it
so just as a preliminary matter im inclined to think it probably works
until proven wrong at least
clear stump
Its not skill dmg and you can cancel B4s entire anim with Skill 4 basically
I've done it on an uneven terrain and her b4 pushes small mob so high her s4 doesn't hit it since the mob is still on air.
rotund drum
i like how you can precast her ken combo so if its a respawning boss and you're afking by its spawn point you can just charge her supernuke and have it ready to go the instant it spawns in
then just do skill > ult for 0 second boss skill
dense elbow
I've done it on an uneven terrain and her b4 pushes small mob so high her s4 doe...
Yeah ive seen her throw them up and miss on normal ground in the tutorial too lol
candid plume
so ig we wait a little before pressing E when N4 happens to lift up enemies?
dense elbow
One thing ive been liking is opening my rot with Jue > Skill 1 to proc the DoT
Then accelerate to verina B3-5
dense elbow
so ig we wait a little before pressing E when N4 happens to lift up enemies?
Generally itll hit its very rare it misses imp
But ive mainly been fighting bosses where it doesnt matter
candid plume
clear stump
Yeah it's just for small mobs. Anything big is not an issue.
candid plume
@dense elbow what's a tool that could help me craft rotations for wuwa
for genshin there's this https://genshin-rotation.com/ which is not exact, but decent enough
is there something that could let me make a timeline then put cooldowns on it
ig I can make 0.25s per cell sheet in excel but surely there is something better right?
kind turtle
probably not 
not enough people care about wuwa plus its new
candid plume
I don't mean something specific to wuwa
but something that's easier than doing it on excel
rotund drum
the dragon definitely finishes hitting during superskill animation i think
i just killed memphis with it and had skill whiff
candid plume
#・tc-bot-spam message
like I have to think about how I'm gonna put cooldown markers here
maybe I have to make multiple columns for each cooldown
yeah that'd make sense
sturdy umbra
Can a C6 Chixia be used as a buffer? I just got the last con today and the basic attack bonus seems pretty good
rotund drum
the problem is that her rotation takes forever
unless you want to actually build her for dps
20% by itself isnt enough
sturdy umbra
Hm, makes sense. I was hoping she might have a quickswap rotation that could proc it since I don't understand her kit that well. But it seems like it takes a while to generate and use the bullets
weary acorn
General chinese myth its based on mayb? Idk
Mandate of heaven shit
rotund drum
getting the bullets isnt that hard
its spending the time to shoot 30 of them that takes forever
sturdy umbra
I lost my 50/50 at 72 pity, then had to spend another 72 to finally get Jinhsi 
I don't think I'll be getting her weapon after all
rotund drum
the new superparry 3-cost echo is actually ok
it stays out even if you swap and counters the mob if they do a parryable attack
pretty decent amount of damage even off-element too
https://ww.hakush.in/echo/600005 probably beats memphis for electro chars
rotund drum
i probably hit backspace by accident
its like 820% cryo damage if you hit the counter and it stays out for like 3 seconds so that's not super hard
and you can swap instantly unlike lampylumen or memphis
candid plume
any Calcharo Hrv players? I wanna see if the rotation I crafted seems somewhat optimal #・tc-bot-spam message
I built it around Hrv E cooldown and Verina Lib cd
it goes Verina b3-5 > Hrv Lib E to do the E but swap cancel it while still being able to go back to Verina without waiting for swap cd
Verina Lib E to swap cancel her E and bypass swap cooldown to go back to Hrv to do the echo
Hrv b3-4 echo cuz can't bypass swap cd this time
Verina echo jump b1-3 to get outro
Calch echo Lib dm
Hrv b3-5
Calch b1-3 E b1-2 dm
Hrv E H E
Calch b1-3 d b1-2 dm
Hrv intro p b1-2
Calch EE. for filling in time and getting some energy
Edit: FUCK, Calch gets his intro here
kinda wish there was room for 2 Verina E's but it is what it is, Hrv has to do their E H E and that's too much dmg to pass up
also only doing Lib and echo on Hrv once per rotation
sadge
hollow gorge
Cold icy mountain
Big dragon theme to the point of the mountain being shaped lik...
you also have old ruins with murals well, I don't mind, it's decently made, like a cut above the mainland. I do hope we get something original in 2.0 though
candid plume
knotty fiber
there's still more stat to get from forte
candid plume
I spent all my 7 days of echo exp mats and tuners on Calcharo and he's worse
wtf
pepeW
rotund drum
well if he was good he wouldnt be midcharo
neat robin
You call literally everyone mid
Cal is prob just highest skill required for any 5* to get to his full potential
And we need a 5* blade for lib%
candid plume
Nah, he has issues even when played with high skill level like dodging just straight up being a dps loss, no compensation
And his dm's missing
Tempest sucks so u use Mech but Mech generates no energy so ur team's er req's go slightly up
He probably is mid
I still love playing him tho
opal venture
Welp i clear lvl100 monke last tower reset with calyinlin team so I dont see any claim here as true
neat robin
He sheets the same as encore
opal venture
neat robin
But needs more finesse than encore
opal venture
Yea he needs u to lock in to play
All my friends have encore but none reaches tower depth as far as im doing with calcharo
candid plume
I just don't know what to say. U guys have never had his dm's miss?
He just staright up misses 15% of his dmg when one misses
Woo
Gone
Getting it is fine. Boss moves -> miss dm
small bronze
if you arent a total min maxer just play anything
some people here get wet over 100 dmg increase
than another character calling it mid
knotty fiber
what's dm again?
opal venture
He is the hardest char to play just for the reason, hence not for everyone like more ease of play
candid plume
If u actually had to count the number of retries it takes for him to not miss more than 1 dm per boss kill it is so much higher than the alternatives. In the retries he does get them, he won't be mid
opal venture
Like people even say Jiyan is bad
candid plume
He is still fine
opal venture
candid plume
But depending on how annoying you find Calcharo, he actually is mid imo
opal venture
Encore just overrated tbh
candid plume
I love him
opal venture
She is good with boss but suck in aoe
knotty fiber
the amount of Jiyan downplay is immeasurable that it's miserable
candid plume
what's dm again?
Death messenger, his plunge attack during which u swap for 2s then come back
knotty fiber
o
hollow gorge
He sheets the same as encore
aha, and 3x more sweat than encore
knotty fiber
Encore's dmg is beeg
but I don't like how she plays
too vulnerable for me lol
the mobility is so bad
candid plume
The problem is that even with sweat he will just miss dm's when bosses move so it's actually 10x more sweat cuz u have to retry till u hit almost all of ur dm's
knotty fiber
and she's only good against single target
opal venture
https://streamable.com/pycjo0 This team works wayyy better than i expect
That jinhsi 2 outro is simply just broke trust
small bronze
everyone saying how op jinshi is but im curious is this what u guys look for in characters?
cause i actually dont care about it and i care if they look cool/have cool abilites
opal venture
She feels very smooth to play yes
small bronze
hm to me its the opposite, her trial didnt catch me at all nor her design
waiting for changli or for 1.2 by that time
small bronze
im glad they let us play her during one fight in the story
neat robin
https://streamable.com/pycjo0 This team works wayyy better than i expect
Wheres the aero dmg coming from? Taoqi echo?
hollow gorge
Wheres the aero dmg coming from? Taoqi echo?
nah, current ToA buff
neat robin
Ah
hollow gorge
idk why that even exists
knotty fiber
I'm not sure about how strong hsi is compared to Jiyan but
I like her appearance and movesets
definitely better to look at than Jiyan
oh, except for Jiyan's abs
indomitable
small bronze
while i judge design first rather than anything when it comes to characters to me its jiyan > yinlin/changli < jhinshi or however u spell her name guess im too old to like any characters that look anyhow close to children
daddy team for life, waiting for geshu lin
neat robin
Jinhsi skillset > jiyan /yinlin > jinhsi design > any young char design 
I love jinhsis attacks but shes plain af and colourless
small bronze
thats what i thought about the whole game idk a lot of characters just seem to be all white
maybe not all white but like
either a lot of white or black
no color
neat robin
Damn
rotund drum
the fact that CCRSIMPs have to write essays about how he isnt mid tells you exactly how mid he is
no one writes essays about how encore is akshully better than people think
this is like dilucgate all over again
ripe pollen
So how good is Jinhsi?
knotty fiber
I wonder how faster I can get if I complete my Jiyan forte
mfw HRover is so strong that
hollow gorge
<:facepalmcri:906020102405771264>
if only you could put three Hrovers in a team
hollow gorge
no one writes essays about how encore is akshully better than people think
they do. They just don't share it with MIDSIMPs
ripe pollen
How does Changli compare to Jinhsi so far?
rotund drum
likely not as good
maybe 1.0 tier
she has some decent nukes but she cant spam them like JS can
and her cooldowns are too long for quickswap
ripe pollen
And where is Jinhsi right now in the tier list, so to speak?
ripe pollen
or SS+ depending on how high your tier list goes
So #1 in the game by far?
ripe pollen
Who's the 2nd best?
ripe pollen
What's Jinhsi's best team?
rotund drum
probably verina + yinlin/yuanwu
shes pretty flexible though
she minmaxes damage with chars with coordinated attacks but she does a lot in any case
opaque flume
probably verina + yinlin/yuanwu
Is baizhi mort good enough
I already have verina and yinlin on cal rn
Abyss sucks fr
opaque flume
Lmao
So funny
Who else would work
Cause my teams rn are danjin hmc jiaxin and cal yinlin verina
rotund drum
you may have to build midwu or midzhi if you dont want to move your verina or yinlin
opaque flume
you may have to build midwu or midzhi if you dont want to move your verina or yi...
I mean does jinshi baizhi get all the stacks
rotund drum
doesnt baizhi CA have an icd
idk
lemme check
yeah its 2.5s icd
its not super great but if you need a healer and/or a CAspammer who isnt electro
its either verina or baizhi
opaque flume
its either verina or baizhi
I mean verina has no vigor for abyss so that kinda leaves only baizhi
And my ass is not raising midwu
rotund drum
internal cooldown
JS stack gain icd is 1s so the closer to that it is the better
yinlin's is also 1s so that's ideal
yuanwu is 1.2s so less ideal but also fine
baizhi's being 2.5s means less stack gain overall but its literally either her or verina
verina will also give fewer stacks per CA since shes the same element as JS
although the buffs and generally not being shitty starter 4* healer kinda make up for that
opaque flume
internal cooldown
Ya I was wondering on what
opaque flume
although the buffs and generally not being shitty starter 4* healer kinda make u...
I mean if I had cal supports I would simply use verina yinlin on js
But
Then I have nothing for cal
rotund drum
maybe put jianxin on cal side and build yuanwu for JS
opaque flume
Early game struggles
opaque flume
maybe put jianxin on cal side and build yuanwu for JS
Jiaxin is being used for havoc rover rn
I mean ig I could put baizhi on her
Idk
rotund drum
well there's only three healers so if you want to do center tower you'll need to build all three
or just yolo without heals
vapid river
taoqi actually works with hmc
opaque flume
hmc could just get danjin and baizhi
Ya I’m using danjin jiaxin dn
sterile swallow
You could yolo without heals. Become dodge master
opaque flume
You could yolo without heals. Become dodge master
Ngl I barely use jiaxin in that team
So that’s kinda what happens
Her field time is way too long
vapid river
You could yolo without heals. Become dodge master
tbf hmc should be able to just blow everything up
opaque flume
I love using her in the ow but in abyss it’s like 30 seconds of fucking around
sterile swallow
Yeah it's why I don't like using Baizhi. Her field time is too long for me
opaque flume
tbf hmc should be able to just blow everything up
Usually I jiaxin group and ult
For hmc
sterile swallow
At least Verina can generate concerto decently so she doesn't take up too much field time
opaque flume
Death to all
rotund drum
you could probably do a yolo team on the babby floors
1-3 with healerless then 4-4 with your second-best team
then center tower with your JS whale team
assuming you can even get that far
opaque flume
Ya rn I have most of the side towers done
Dps check
Center tower claps me tho
Ngl cal c1 is pretty good
I switched him to ele% for both 3 costs now
They should have made the cd 10 seconds tho
Not 20
rotund drum
ive seen people push pretty far in TOA now that we have AR50 and JS
still pretty tough though
opaque flume
still pretty tough though
Ya
rotund drum
people other than C6R5 whales i mean
opaque flume
My dps is too low still
Once we get level 90 tho it should be a breeze
Ngl
I’m already doing well with level 70
broken tree
wheres her message at 😭😭
karmic crag
Is 5pc spectro or 2pc 2pc atk spectro better on jinshi
grim grove
Spectro
karmic crag
Bet
hollow gorge
leifa, if only it was cdmg and not lib dmg
is it a new phantom? How its main stat is not crippled?
hollow gorge
Phantoms have 30% lower main stat
vapid river
it doesn't impact stats
looks the same to me
why would you think phantom echoes have lower main stats?
hollow gorge
yeah, I thought it doesn't change the name, only the skin
hollow gorge
they didn't fix it for old phantoms though
vapid river
idk
looks the same for my old ones
even my old rocksteady
maybe it only matters if they're +0
kind turtle
nah i've seen it higher, they have 4* scaling
vapid river
wdym?
kind turtle
on higher leveled phantom echoes, they have purple scaling rather than gold scaling
vapid river
oh yeah that does happen
kind turtle
seems like its not fixed still
vapid river
but i haven't had an issue with it
i think leifa has one echo like that
seems to be a very rare thing
either way we were talking about phantom echoes >.> which are fine now
i think the bugged main stat echoes are just gonna stay bugged
sterile swallow
Omg that's so bad. Compensation please
vapid river
imagine they go and change each echo that's fucked up
do they even know why or how that happens?
kind turtle
it is a phantom echo issue, it's from echoes that are caught as phantoms
not ones with skins applied
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow gorge
seems to be a very rare thing
nah, all of my phantoms like that, that were caught in a wild
kind turtle
kuro doesnt use formatted strings for weapon stats which is how they have the translation issues on the standard sword/broadsword i forgot which, so it's not absurd to think that they dont have standardisation for echo stats
vapid river
nah, all of my phantoms like that, that were caught in a wild
yeah i was lacking critical information
b/c there's a big difference between phantom echoes caught in the wild
to echoes you just change to have the skin
kind turtle
😭
hollow gorge
yeah i was lacking critical information
yeah, I thought when you apply skin it doesn't change a name, so I assumed yours was wild
vapid river
ah
nah it changes the name
at least we know it's when you catch a phantom echo
well, kuro knows
so hopefully it gets fixed
hollow gorge
tbh, I would like wild phantoms to have maybe lower Main stat but higher echo damage stat, would be interesting
it is boring if they are completely same
hollow gorge
maybe them being nerfed is intended
lore reasons. Phantoms are less connected to the world
hollow gorge
lore reasons. Phantoms are less connected to the world
joking btw
ripe pollen
that's like 50% more dps than jiyan at s0...
rotund drum
thats why i said shes top tier
honestly thats not too hard to figure out
if you just look at her kit
ripe pollen
well, prydwen also puts yinlin at 58k dps at s0
rotund drum
45% MV per stack lmao
ripe pollen
rotund drum
iirc prydwen always assumes some dumb shit like you always have ult and they only tally the damage from the actual field time
no one's actually doing 50k dps just attacking atm
its only 50k if the rot is like swap in, do ult, swap out
ripe pollen
"Important! Due to the incredibly short nature of Yinlin's rotation when implementing swap cancels, her DPS numbers are incredibly high. If you are unable to perform swap cancels her DPS will be lower, "
rotund drum
50k dps cause the ult did 50k damage in one second and you immediately swapped out lmao
neat robin
Ah
rotund drum
yeah i called it
neat robin
More was asking for her build😭
Like if double ele is actually the worst 4/3/3/1/1 build
rotund drum
its close obv
neat robin
Close yeah
rotund drum
and its easier to get atk buff than dmg buff
with s1 it might be better to squeeze in one atk
neat robin
But def worth rolling atk% mains then
ripe pollen
so basically
rotund drum
note that they're probably assuming lv90 though
neat robin
Those numbers were specifically for jinhsi with sig
rotund drum
base atk is lower relative to flat atk at lower levels
ripe pollen
yinlin's entire kit can dish out 58k dps for like 3 seconds, then defaults to her off field subdps dps which is waaaay lower
rotund drum
so dmg gets the edge
ripe pollen
meanwhile jinhsi can dish out 48k sustained dps for 14 seconds
holy
actual powercreep
rotund drum
like i said
45% damage per stack lmao
her nuke does like 2500% on a full charge and gets 80% free dmg bonus if S1
meanwhile lingyang gets increased interrupt res lmao
ripe pollen
how good is jihnsi for regular overworld farming tho?
when you just dash from mob group to mob group
neat robin
Shes slower than jiyan for me
Though he also has 60 more cdmg than jinhsi build rn lol
ripe pollen
im thinking like
if you gotta build up her basics for every mob pack
might be tedious i dunno
rotund drum
it still does like 1k% if you just cycle through and press echoes
some of the new 1.1 mobs are pretty tanky but for old 1.0 stuff you can even just do jue stuff
jue has a really big AOE and no actual animation
so just do Q > E > swap > repeat x3 and most mobs die
although packs take a bit more work
her ult is good for packs at least
ripe pollen
is jue like dreamless with swap?
rotund drum
its pretty big and usually one-shots even elites
its a summon so its actually instant
no animation
you can press it whenever
only downside is that the initial damage is kinda low since most of it is backloaded into a DOT
but 250% is usually enough to kill a wolf or two
neat robin
Fair I’ve only been farming the new area so far
Gotta head back to heron farming…
Dont need jiyan to kill cyan herons
rotund drum
i was saying this earlier but the new counter 3-cost echo is also really good
im using it on yuanwu
probably new bis for sanhua
and fuccboi if you actually use him
neat robin
The scale thing?
rotund drum
yeah
it rolls on cryo and electro sets but it deals cryo damage so its better for those obv
still decent for electro chars just cause the memphises suck though
it has the really slow wait-for-counter animation but you can swap cancel it and it'll still play out
it can still trigger counter while swapped out too
gets like 800% on a counter and 500% otherwise
it also parries bosses which is nice when it happens
kind turtle
Can you use triple counter 
rotund drum
the standard 5* one?
ripe pollen
ya
rotund drum
its her third best option iirc
although i'm personally saving for when i can actually use the crit ones
ripe pollen
based on rivenous weapon calcs it looks like her sig is about 19% better than standard 5*
same for jiyan, his sig is 20% better for him compared to standard 5*
but
i have jiyan, yinlin and soon jinhsi
so my thinking is to grab the standard broadblade and use it on both jiyan and jihnsi, thoughts?
rotund drum
the diff in base values between 4* and 5* is huge so pretty much any 5* will be good
even with a mid sub like atk
in genshit the diff between a 4* and 5* is like 100 base attack out of almost 700
in this game its like 160 out of 600
