・wuwa-lounge

[fickle kernel]

are u related to layla

[dense elbow]

And jinhsi does not take any of those slots at all

[dense elbow]

😭

Aight 2am im out here lmfao

[rotund drum]

https://ww.hakush.in/echo/390070074 moonlit clouds healtefi maybe

[clear tartan]

If Jinshi wants a support that can build stacks quickly, maybe its Jianxin's time to shine

She even has an ult that ticks off-field

[rotund drum]

yeah which lasts like 3 seconds

[fickle kernel]

jianxin already shining wym

[clear tartan]

True, any team with Jianxin is 100% more based

But fr a 12 or so seconds off-dps rot with Yinlin into Jianxin then back into Jinshi could be good way to go

[lilac hare]

Pity 53 still no stringmaster for encore

[neat robin]

I have murdered every single electro/fusion/aero predetor and not a single one has given me an electro set with a cr sub yet today

[night mantle]

I feel you bruh

[lilac hare]

Damn I think I’ll go down that route as well

[night mantle]

soft pity starts at 66, so before that there is really low chance

[lilac hare]

Oh I didn’t know that
13 more pulls to go

[keen jackal]

i am gonna uninstall this game ,.,fffffffffffg

forced to explore to reach soft pity on stringmaster

at least its guaranteed .. . g

[night mantle]

I assume you haven't played genshin, and I am happy for you coz of that 🙂

[keen jackal]

ive been playing genshin since day 2 of launch

thats why i said at least its guaranteed

[night mantle]

oopps I take it back. You have gone through so much pain

https://tenor.com/view/pain-naruto-anime-anonymouskun-u-dont-know-me-gif-21604973

[rotund drum]

people saying soft pity might be around 66

so you might as well just simp

[keen jackal]

65

1-2 pulls left hopefully tuegehrnfjsks

abt to reach ul 43 from exploring too

this is xianyun and sig all over again

i 100% or nearly 100% most of my map to get her and sig

[cobalt apex]

going to 100% the map anyways

might aswell do it now

[weary acorn]

I love the optimization for this game even the event tab is so optimized u need to relog like 1-5 times for an event to function

[forest dome]

65 pity char n 65 pity wp nothing yet prob a sign to save up for 1.1 frfr

[outer jetty]

Do we already have pull tracker?

[olive osprey]

http://astrite.gg/

Also how viable would Jinhsi Mortefi Yinlin be?

Jinhsi + 2 off field elemental subdps

[rotund drum]

may as well use midwu if you're just hoping for stacks

easier to maintain coordinated attacks

[olive osprey]

I aint raising yuanwu + dont have jiyan so mortefi is free atm

Unleess yuanwu is better at it that is

[rotund drum]

yinlin takes up a lot of field time is the problem

and her buff doesnt help jinhsi

im wondering if cruisewing would be a legit echo for sustainless comps though

they'll probably eventually add a 4-cost with a legit heal

since teams are only 3 atm

pretty big opportunity cost for that heal

[clear tartan]

Does she? She feels like she takes like 4 or 5 seconds max

If you start with her intro ofc

[rotund drum]

thats a pretty long time

[clear tartan]

I guess its not Mortefi/Sanhua levels of short sure

Its still pretty usable for quickswapping around to generate stacks

Tho the 3rd unit in that team really gonna be a tossup

[olive osprey]

I dont have Yinlin rn so idk, but isnt yinlin made for quickswaps and lots of swap cancels?

Though idk how trustowrthy prydwen is

[rotund drum]

She's probably ok if you use JS to feed her intros

Since JS gets double the outros

[knotty fiber]

not that much

some ppl take prydwen's stuffs as godspel

believing her dps is 1.7 times higher than Jiyan's

[olive osprey]

This tbh, I cant trust a website thats so commercialized, does prydwen provide calcs/sheets for their TCs even?

I just want a KQM but for wuwa

[knotty fiber]

no, just rotation iirc

[cobalt apex]

wuwa-tc channel fr

[olive osprey]

Yeah screw their calcs then, but having rotations are nice, you can use their rotations and calc everything on your own

Still slowly learning how the dmg works in this game tho

[olive osprey]

Oh right thats a good point, am i rly forced to pull yinlin for jinhsi

[sterile swallow]

She's just currently her best partner for overall team damage and building stacks. Surely they will release more kits like Yinlin in the future right

[cobalt apex]

surely

[rigid shore]

account bricked already

[olive osprey]

Wait fr? I was half-joking about pulling Yinlin

Pulling her rn right before Jinhsi's banner is a bit..

[cobalt apex]

just swipe

[olive osprey]

For Jinhsi the Rock? If her dupes are good then id swipe

[cobalt apex]

uh Jinhsi cons are

[olive osprey]

But Yinlin? dc bout her tbh, id pull onyl if shes good for Jinhsi

[olive osprey]

Ye, looks like S6 or bust

[cobalt apex]

instead of S2 u'd rather get a standard 5* instead

[olive osprey]

S2 is trash, it's only useful for daily echo routes

[ebon jasper]

jinhsi rocking jiyan sig and changli getting her sig

[knotty fiber]

I know where my luck went @cobalt apex

I got my friend great echo upgrades today, and also 2 emeralds of genesis in a single x10

He went from both cost 3 having 0 crit to thishttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1097234024537264179/1251059431106547785/image.png?ex=666d3363&is=666be1e3&hm=fc8e0eb2c06f1737a7aa5a5d4a1dd1e5bf06bb134ad0ca6441dc3522c7fe6c0f&

[cobalt apex]

holy shit what the fuck is this

thats like 160 cv from subs alone

u shouldnt have donated all ur luck to them

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

https://vxtwitter.com/fobm4ster/status/1801453227407458411

UL60's our max WL I believe, or the WL we get 90 on

100 tuners per day's worth

The echo exp is the most disappointing aspect

[barren drift]

1.1 pls come sooner

[weary acorn]

3

[olive osprey]

The artifact echo grind is real

[cobalt apex]

its artifact hell all over again

[weary acorn]

Ngl this feels much shittier unless they shower us exp on events

I have alts just for main stats farming and this shit is ass

1.1 pls fix everything

pls break I actually need more weapons I need a weapon selector

[cobalt apex]

make bosses and tacet fields 40 resin instead of 60 please

[olive osprey]

It's definitely grindier for sure

But exp and tuners are timegated, not the main pieces we'll lvl up

In late endgame, ppl can hoard tuners + exp, and when a new BiS echo drops we can farm them non stop

[cobalt apex]

our standards will prob be very high by then too

like at least a 4.5/5 rolls an echo

or fodder

[night mantle]

I think we are going for perfection a little early..I mean in genshin we started artifacts grinding at lvl45, before that we used whatever we got

[cobalt apex]

i think its mostly because of the influence from genshin

since we've been playing it for so long

[night mantle]

yeah

[olive osprey]

Assuming kuro doesnt release new sets, we'd only have to farm a few new echoes per patch if theres any Like Jue if it's BiS, since wed alrdy have other good rolls for most/all sets

[night mantle]

I am pretty sure, 1 year later when people make guides for wuwa it will advised to wait for lvl50 for echo grinding and stuff

[cobalt apex]

this is prob the lowest standard in wuwa endgame

[olive osprey]

This tbh, most ppl that are complaning about echoes grind came from genshin where we're alrdy late endgame.

In 1.0 genshin F2Ps couldnt event farm for 5* artifact substats since we're still looking for main stats

[night mantle]

Yeah

[cobalt apex]

we're already too familiar with gacha game mechanics

that we're just trying to speedrun the game

tho ill prob start saving up tuners and xp after next week

[weary acorn]

Def% = dog

Where my liberation dmg% at

[night mantle]

Also the echo system kinda looks messed up. From the design it seems like we were supposed to reach db lvl 20 way later then we got. Coz this way we would have actually used purple echos and tuners.

[weary acorn]

Min roll

[cobalt apex]

[weary acorn]

You know what's ass?

Drop rate for echoes not being 100%

[night mantle]

nah

[weary acorn]

It feels so bad when they don't even drop

Massive time sink

[olive osprey]

But it isnt time gated

[cobalt apex]

killed 3 elites and got nothing

[weary acorn]

Literally artificial extension for play time if u choose to engage in it

[olive osprey]

Thats the tradeoff

[night mantle]

if they did it 100% , people would be done with the game the 2nd day of playing it

[weary acorn]

I kill every elite on my world and my alt

It's so ass

[cobalt apex]

it does get very repetitive over time

[weary acorn]

They should have implented 100% and 100% 5 star chance on level 20

[olive osprey]

It's literally genshin's artifact investigation routes, but you can keep doing it over and over. As it isnt timegated

[night mantle]

||its 100% at lvl 21 in 1.1||

[weary acorn]

Already level up resource gated

[cobalt apex]

not 100% drop rate

[weary acorn]

Yeah I know that should have been on release either way

The gold echoes are

[cobalt apex]

yea

and i think stocked said that it might be for testing on beta?

dont know about that

[weary acorn]

Who knows

[night mantle]

actually if they did the 100% drop, then people will complain more about the rng, tuners and exp

[weary acorn]

Imma just wait for the stream for the actual changed

[cobalt apex]

if we're stuck with 20 ill cry

[olive osprey]

Wuwa is level up resource gated, while genshin is level up piece gated, choose your poison

[weary acorn]

Hopefully the stream ain't dogshit again

[olive osprey]

[cobalt apex]

gacha games moment

[weary acorn]

One lets me sink time to be disappointed by time wasted+ sub wasted

Other lets me drop in drop out and be disappointed

[olive osprey]

Yeah wuwa is grindier overall, i agree

[weary acorn]

Wuwa needs to shower us resources on the events

It's more or less baby mmo grinding

[cobalt apex]

this is what i got from 100+ mech

i love RNG

[night mantle]

why did you upgraded to lvl25 when you got no crit stat at lvl10?

[cobalt apex]

if i only go for crit stat

ill never finish building a char

until the end of 1.1

[weary acorn]

Ngl the upgrade from main stat alone is pretty big

[olive osprey]

I do like that you have the option to save tuners and exp in wuwa, then when a new BiS echo drops, you can farm it non stop without being timegated

But thats an endgame niche few ppl truly appreciate

[cobalt apex]

and also ive had enough

[night mantle]

its better to take chances rather then no chances when you have no exp and tuners

[cobalt apex]

this is like my ~12th cr mech

took me 4h already

not wasting more time on this

[weary acorn]

Very enjoyable grind

Imagine coping on dreamless load and reload for 10 hrs

And u get like more 4 stars

[cobalt apex]

i have over 300 4 costs echoes ive endured enough

ive just been exploring the last 4d

cant force myself to grind echoes anymore

[weary acorn]

Might I introduced u to alt account farming

[cobalt apex]

and i havent leveled up any piece for a while cause ive been farming mats for chars

better to do guarantee upgrades than rng ones

[hollow gorge]

not really. If you wanted to do Abyss, you had to start at 30-35 and make do with purples in the beginning, a lot of ppl waited for AR40 for golds and those who were really patient went all the way to AR45. It was mostly the same

[blissful tulip]

The only saving grace is that substats only roll once

[small bronze]

a little bit more crit rate needed

[rigid shore]

coinflip

[rigid shore]

only one answer

[opal venture]

Hello. Anyone has any picture or graph calculating echo exp cost to level up from 1-25 ?

[blissful tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243589198007763035/1250830503498616872/image.png?ex=666d06ef&is=666bb56f&hm=223715c2dd18063251858a60530c608e6309e3774d4d58382a00af6bde901adf&

Courtesy of StockedSix

[opal venture]

Appreciate

[blissful tulip]

She should do quite a bit more now

[cobalt apex]

thats quite a lot of atk

[blissful tulip]

Atk set + Mech abomination is very helpful, although this build made me realise how important ability% substats are

Due to losing a good amount of skill%, even with the high atk she does quite a bit less on her skill

[dense elbow]

funny enuf i have the complete opposite mindset from calcs that have been done lmfao

dmg% subs on a majority of chars looks like ass

most of the time on par or even worse than a flat atk roll 😭

even in a perfect jiyan scenario iirc heavy% was still 2% worse than going for another stat like crit or atk% lmao

was looking at this with a few others yesterday

[rigid shore]

rare chixia main

[cobalt apex]

flat atk isnt bad at all

[dense elbow]

well

[cobalt apex]

its a decent roll

[dense elbow]

im not saying its good coz its on par with dmg%

[cobalt apex]

at least

[dense elbow]

im saying dmg% is not as good as ppl make it out to be

[cobalt apex]

yea

since many chars have split dmg stats

[rigid shore]

still need a balance

[cobalt apex]

so dmg% in many cases are just ass

[dense elbow]

mhm if it was elemental% itd be a bit different

[rigid shore]

realistically you'd take anything u get

[dense elbow]

well yeah

but if we're looking at perfect stat optimization

you go for how much ER you need

then take CRIT and ATK%

5th stat almost doesnt matter lol

[rigid shore]

is wuwa dmg calc same as genshin's?

[dense elbow]

yesnt

its the same shit of multiply everything together

but some different values

https://bsky.app/profile/leifachan.bsky.social/post/3ksyxdl3bxi24

need to change deepen to amplify but

[rigid shore]

ohh

[keen jackal]

im gonna cry

im at 69 pity on weap banner

where is my stringmaster

why couldnt i have gotten yinlin weap at 69

it wouldve been perfect

[rigid shore]

PeepoSadSwipe

[keen jackal]

now im forced to explore

wdym i have to actually grind for what i want!!!!!

[dense elbow]

gacha gamers when they have to actually play the game

[keen jackal]

bp lvl 60 so disappointing

not even like

a standard pull

[rigid shore]

better explore now

[dense elbow]

its the same thing as hsr

[rigid shore]

wuwa feels easier to explore than genshin at the very least

[dense elbow]

where the bp technically ends at 50

and the 50-70 stuff is kinda just extra

[rigid shore]

wuwa gives gud stuff until 60

u could they didnt copied any of the game

[dense elbow]

dont the rewards change up around 51 to echoes?

[rigid shore]

yeah

and some mats

[dense elbow]

yeah thats what i mean

[keen jackal]

ok done w dailies

im at 60 astrite

time to grind . ..........

i better get it next single

[dense elbow]

🙏

[rigid shore]

that lootmapper is so useful

[dense elbow]

cloes to 40 or 45 or?

[keen jackal]

let me try more tower

[dense elbow]

ngl the fact the BP is just morphable echoes

and literally 0 moldables

is a scam and a half

😭

[rigid shore]

im never recovering from this

[dense elbow]

morphables are the same thing as me going out killing shit for a bit

[rigid shore]

moldable?

[dense elbow]

item that lets you select an echo with a guaranteed set and mainstat

we have 2 rn for 3 costs for set + DMG%

[rigid shore]

oh yeah those

man they could've spared us

[lament shuttle]

There’s two

[rigid shore]

i hope 1.1 fixes echo farming altogether

[lament shuttle]

At one point

[dense elbow]

in the battle pass?

[rigid shore]

even the paid doesn't have it

AINTNOWAY

[dense elbow]

just went thru the whole thing none are moldables

[lament shuttle]

Yeah I have two unused and didn’t do anything special

[dense elbow]

nonono

we're talking from the battle pass specifically

not just given out in general

[lament shuttle]

Where else did we get them from

[rigid shore]

probably events

[dense elbow]

there were 2 in alloy event

2 in roguelike

[rigid shore]

iirc the anomaly gave two

yeaa

[dense elbow]

i think another 2 in the current event?

[lament shuttle]

Alloy was the parkour?

[dense elbow]

wave pve

[lament shuttle]

Or the glitched 90 vs 140

[dense elbow]

parkour was dogshit lol

[keen jackal]

no overdash club is parkour

[dense elbow]

90 vs 140

[lament shuttle]

I had 4 of them before this started I’m pretty sure

But I’ll check when I can

[dense elbow]

ive already used any i got so

[lament shuttle]

I only used 2 from rogue thingy

[dense elbow]

these two both give malleable

then the only other source ik is the roguelike

[storm ledge]

we also got 2 through points shop or sth

[lament shuttle]

That’s the rogue like

[keen jackal]

ok nice i got 3 stars on floor 3 on jiyan side

i can do another single now

pleaseeeee kuro

just give it to me already

[cobalt apex]

single pulling

[dense elbow]

🙏

[keen jackal]

no fuzcking way actually

weapon banner is a scam

[cobalt apex]

should be the same soft pity as genshin and hsr right?

[keen jackal]

cant do more tower so now i have to explore again

[cobalt apex]

so 65?

[keen jackal]

ya

and im at 70 rn

[cobalt apex]

ur at 36% rn

[dense elbow]

its around the late 60s range anyways

[keen jackal]

53 astries rn

need to get 110

[dense elbow]

done all ur tutorials?

[keen jackal]

gonna finish those up rn

[dense elbow]

Skill Training for 10 per character

Basic Training for 20 per

[keen jackal]

yaya i still have a few

did the basic training

[dense elbow]

🔥

[keen jackal]

i got some resonator tuto still

[cobalt apex]

i just realized i did none of them

[rigid shore]

isnt max pity 80?

bro is hard pitying rn

surely 71

[storm ledge]

was illusive realm

[rigid shore]

who is first in 1.1?

[dense elbow]

jinhsi supposedly

[lament shuttle]

Jinhsi surely

Cuz we’ve seen her

[cobalt apex]

should be jinhsi

[lament shuttle]

lol

[rigid shore]

man if that story quest is real

im gonna flip

[storm ledge]

jinshi according to leaks
stc though

[keen jackal]

mayb i can clear more tower if i invest more into my encore

but i literally have no weap other than 3 star for her rn

cuz yinlin has bp weap

and i need stringmaster!!!!!!

fuck u kuro

[rigid shore]

u have 11 more days

chill

[kind turtle]

i've managed to get 15* with my encore team

[cobalt apex]

u have plenty of time

[keen jackal]

no im gonna get it today

i want yinlin numbers

[cobalt apex]

i brute forced my way with danjin and havoc mc to get 15*

it was the worst way to spend my time

ever

[kind turtle]

it wasn't bad with encore

just annoying that both x-2 have fusion resist enemies

[cobalt apex]

i also managed to get sub 4 mins in the middle tower

[keen jackal]

i swear on floor 3 yinlin side the enemies havoc res cuz my hrover yinlin team not doing shiittt

im gonna try it again rn

wait fuck my verina doesnt have enough vigor loo l

[cobalt apex]

yea the havoc res is very annoying

[keen jackal]

unbuilt lvl 60 sanhua calling

[cobalt apex]

50% res goes hard

[keen jackal]

main dps yinlin calling

this game so ass

maybew i need to play jiyan here cuz these guys do NOTTTT GROUP!!!!!

jiyan yinlin mortefi calling

[blissful tulip]

In return for giving her a crit rate mech abom I have to refarm another one for Calcharo

The real painful grind is at the 4 costs imo

You are forced to grind them

Rather than having contigency plans with data bank merge + tacet fields

My opinions on 3 costs are a lot more positive in comparison to most of what I've heard

[keen jackal]

JIYAN MY FUCKING GOAT

floor 3 on yinlin side cleared

[blissful tulip]

I do feel that a lot of our damage is lacking due to level scaling calcs as well as talent + weapon levels, those offer a lot more than a slight upgrade on an echo imo

[keen jackal]

2 tuto and i can do another single

plsssss kurpo pls ,.,,.............

[lilac hare]

Fr

[oak copper]

Yup. It will be a LOT easier once units are 80-90 with T8-10 talents.

[cobalt apex]

personally i think that my problem with 4 costs and 3 costs are different

[blissful tulip]

Holograms especially, I'm already seeing level 70 characters with f2p builds clear Aix 6 in 2 minutes

Of course, Aix has the lowest hp, but it goes to show how much easier it'll get later on

[oak copper]

holograms aren't real endgame shit, yeah. They have some crazy/questionable moves with really high damage but the DPS check part is a symptom of us being underleveled and geared, not it being tuned tightly

[keen jackal]

ANOTHER SINGLE CALLING MY NAMEEEEEEEE

[blissful tulip]

You'd think otherwise based on social media

[keen jackal]

no way ..

[blissful tulip]

Those shill the hell out of the Holograms, and I agree to some extent assuming you're fighting them under self-imposed conditions

Once you're level 90, though, the positives may start to wear thin

[dense elbow]

imo holos are moreso a training ground rather than actual endgame

[keen jackal]

Never played a worse game in my life

[oak copper]

Thats like people calling SU THE thing in HSR week 2

[dense elbow]

just let you stage a fight

[storm ledge]

worth building? (no encore)

[blissful tulip]

I'd agree, but the hologram moves aren't even on the ToA bosses

[keen jackal]

not at s3

[dense elbow]

for now

[cobalt apex]

[blissful tulip]

Up to you, she's a very competent ST dps but Changli will come in 1.1

I'd say leave her be for now and focus on the ones you are currently building, while prefarming for Changli

[oak copper]

Hologram bosses having extra moves is a neat idea, but some are just incredibly questionable in terms of quality aswell. So I have VERY mixed feelings about them

[storm ledge]

yeah I'm definitely getting changli (skipping the other limited chars till her)
idk if changli can do main damage role tho

[blissful tulip]

With her field time, she may as well be

Iirc

[cobalt apex]

changli seems fine being a carry

[keen jackal]

So cooked this is the only quest that gives me astrite

[dense elbow]

shes designed to be a carry lol

just her outro was her main value till they fkd its duration

[cobalt apex]

[storm ledge]

(already prefarmed stuff to 70 changli lmao)

[cobalt apex]

i forgot that

[storm ledge]

[cobalt apex]

how worth it is the standard broad

compare to other standards

[oak copper]

explosive speartip testing gives you 3 chests for 25 astrites aswell. Silver-haired Echo Trainer gives 30 via a starter event

[keen jackal]

wait rlly rlly

ok

[oak copper]

generally, all quests that have no astrites usually spawn chests

[blissful tulip]

It's something that was shilled during the earlier stages of the game, until its real qualities and gimmicks are understood once we reached full endgame
Just like Simulated Universe despite it being an entirely different mode

[keen jackal]

guysssssss next single trust

[blissful tulip]

Oh well, it'll be funny to watch at least

[keen jackal]

71 pity

ill get it at 72

[cobalt apex]

[blissful tulip]

But the self-imposed difficulty really showed Waves' combat potential

Despite their issues, Holograms are the best part about Waves' "endgame" that is available to us so far

[keen jackal]

wtffff whzy is lingyang here

oh all i had to do was talk to lingyang and i got 20 astrite and achievement lool

thxxxxx lingyang i hate u a bit lessn ow

[oak copper]

I think it also shows a huge design conflict though. On the one hand WuWa works well as an almost souls-esque format where you play a single character with an emphasis of dodge/parry - punish kind of gameplay.
On the other hand you have a rotation oriented full Team dynamic that is more Genshin-esque. And those two don't mesh very well because doing more or less strict rotations doesn't offer you the flexibility to interact with the Bosses very well

And then 1.1 also comes around with wannabe DMC units that are 90% in the air for fancy combos no enemy actually gives a fuck about and just swats you out of the air

[rigid shore]

yeah i like how u can play the game as if it were a souls game

coz of the mechanics alone

[cobalt apex]

dying from getting one shot mid air is my worst wuwa nightmare

air combat needs some reworks

[oak copper]

That is very fun, but its also more incidental than what the game is pushing. If you do solo Danjin or Encoree runs, that does indeed play fairly well. But once you include support rotations for a full team it gets very messy very quickly

because the value of your Supports hinges entirely on you being able to do their thing quickly

[rigid shore]

is there like some way you can know if the other members have their outro skills filled up?

[blissful tulip]

I agree, I feel that the enemy design and character combat design (mainly Ling Yang, some intros such as Verina and Rover, Changli and Jinshi) do not mesh together well
Simplistic kits like Chixia's and most of the 4* damage dealers work with the game's mechanics greatly in comparison

There's also the SFX concern, where it forces you to focus on the pretty animations over what the boss is going to accomplish

[oak copper]

I have died so often coming out of an Ult cutscene before I could take action its not funny

[blissful tulip]

I have died by intro skilling Rover + Verina, as it launches them into the air while doing so, leading to unnecessarily tighter dodges and almost immediate death against certain attacks

[oak copper]

especially this weird partial timeslow is so bad. Either make it a full stop or make it nothing at all because as it is rn its hard to use as an i-frame while still allowing the boss to snipe you

[blissful tulip]

I'd like to assume Jiyan enjoyers suffer from this issue as well

As he is also flung into the air during his intro

[oak copper]

Thats not too bad because you Ult mid air and are on the ground

but you can still get instakilled coming out of ult

[blissful tulip]

Hopefully they refine it over time with the newer characters post 1.1, but I feel that it may go the iframe route quickly

Which is fun in its own right, just loses its defining niche over other hack n slash gachas until ZZZ

[oak copper]

the way its already going we're headed for Genshin gameplay more than souls or DMC

simply because fully levelled and geared Teams are gonna kill Diff 6 holograms in a single rot and go home

and limited units so far all had aspects that really want team rotations, rather than engage with the dodge and parry loop

[rotund drum]

they could make it like persona

strikers i mean

not the jrpgs

[blissful tulip]

A dynasty warriors mode would be funny to see

[keen jackal]

i need 60 astrite immiediately

wait i have enough resonator tuto for 60 astrite

THEN I CAN DO ANOTHER SINGLE

AND THEN I GET STRINGMASTER

[cobalt apex]

i will pray for u every pull until u get it

[keen jackal]

dont say that

that means there would be more pulls

and id have to reach hard pityyyyy

say crystal u a badieeee u gon get it next pull trustt i pray for u

[cobalt apex]

u would have a better chance surviving a meteor strike than reaching hard pity

[keen jackal]

ok

got my single

plsssss kuro plssss plsssssss plsssssss

4 star

[keen jackal]

got a discord

this game is soooooo bad

why have i put almost 100 hrs into it

[cobalt apex]

my prayge didnt help

[keen jackal]

i lucked out with very early s1 jiyan and very early yinlin actually

6 pity yinlin

oops not early s1 jiyan

early jiyan i mean

at 3 pity

and then i got s1 at 60

[cobalt apex]

i was gonna say deserve but i realized thats a bit too mean

[keen jackal]

time to explore............................

[wheat moon]

too much time on discordia........

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-wolf-clouds-night-gif-15047068

[keen jackal]

gotta look out for the discordia opps

[hollow gorge]

It feels like it's hard to make a team-based dodge-parry combat loop unless you center it around swap dodges, which is not the case in WuWa. Otherwise you are either bound to stay on a single character and drop team-based characteristic of combat or use team members and drop dodge-parry system

[oak copper]

yup and I don't see them solve that favorably rn

[grim grove]

what boardblade do I give Calcharo? I have discord & dauntless evernight

[hollow gorge]

well, I don't think it is possible to implement a soulslike gameplay in a mobile gacha. So in this part WuWa was doomed from the start. Now we will have to see what Kuro comes up with. For now it's a hodge-podge of mechanics that work because players are underleveled and optimal strategies are not yet established

[neat robin]

The intro animations are the bad part imo
If they would buff it so parry/countering does more dmg (and make sure bosses have a lot of health so people arent one rot)
But then theres the time limit to worry about and you’re stuck waiting for bosses to attack you first

[hollow gorge]

This is simply because soulslike ideology is that you can't and must not be able to bruteforce everything, and gacha ideology is that you must be able to bruteforce everything at super high investement

[oak copper]

technically its possible, but its gonna be more challenging to monetize as these games are exactly team based to make you pull for more units.

WuWa rn is headed for a state similar to Genshin where proper enemy interaction is gonna be overshadowed by Team rotations just bruteforcing through things with overkill damage

[neat robin]

Tbh if someone pays for s6 to bruteforce everything idc, let them
But there needs to be a way for s0 to clear within time limits by using the games actual combat mechanics

[hollow gorge]

Genshin is a good example that shows that we get to c6 levels of power just by playing the game eventually. Either that, or new players won't be able to play the game as intended

And obviously gacha games need to prioritize new players

[oak copper]

souls absolutely let you bruteforce, but it involves knowledge checks, rather than it being the natural result of just levelling up. So its unlikely that you get to brtueforce everything by playing organically and since its largely a single player game and not a live service, the long-term issues of these kidns of bruteforcing matter very little

[hollow gorge]

nah, the point of bruteforce is that you ignore all the mechanics involved. I don't think soulslike games are playable at that stage

[neat robin]

Yes as i said, s0 chars need to be able to clear using the games mechanics

[keen jackal]

ANOTHER SINGLE TIME

[cobalt apex]

[keen jackal]

no way

actually

this is a scam

73 pity now

[cobalt apex]

maybe u should go and take a luck test

[neat robin]

Gl

[keen jackal]

this game is not real actually

im in a dream

[oak copper]

maybe not in its full entirety but for instance Elden Ring has builds that absolutely let you forego large portions of the game by just deleting things w/o worrying about mechanics

[blissful tulip]

Maybe we were expecting too much from Waves, it is still a gacha game at its core, has to have the usual gacha mechanics

[cobalt apex]

magic builds go hard

[blissful tulip]

Can't be too difficult for the majority of the playerbase

[hollow gorge]

sure, but that's the point of the argument, that the nature of powerscaling makes the game lose its soulslike flavor. At which point it might as well be Genshin

[keen jackal]

omg

word quest

40 astrite

in desert

i take i take

[oak copper]

There was no shot its gonna be a legitimate souls-like experience. But my main criticism is not that, but that the game has an identity crisis where the souls-esque elements clash with the Genshin-esque rotational Team gameplay in a pretty unfun way

[neat robin]

S0 clearing with combat mechanics is good (not just brute forcing)
S6 whales can do whatever they enjoy they’re the ones funding the game

Still sad that yinlins outro got nerfed. I wanna be swapping cal and yinlin on/off a lot more than able to now

[hollow gorge]

yeah, I agree. Elden Ring walks a fine line. But gacha systems would just skew the balance towards bruteforcing everything. It would be the same as if Elden Ring would let you get thousands of runes from the Battlepass and best weapons from a banner, without any gameplay involved in getting those items

[ebon jasper]

yall got encore weapon calcs? speradsheet

[oak copper]

The issue is largely the same once you scale it to a live service model, yeah. For souls the levelling process itself is the game. There is no explicit "endgame" you work towards to. If you turned ER into a live-service and everyone had level 500+ builds things wouldn't look very souls-y anymore, even if softcaps stop scaling fairly early.

For live service the levelling part is mostly an initial phase of timegating rather than the core experience, so it goes straight to the part where things fall apart

[ebon jasper]

thinking of getting std recti since i got sword and gun already

[hollow gorge]

yeah, but long-term players wont stay at s0. WuWa is already attempting to postpone that by moving important damage upgrades to s4 and above, because in genshin, you can get a team of c1-c2 characters that easily reach power levels of a c6 character allowing you to bruteforce EVERYTHING. In Genshin since OG Abyss I had only 2 enemies that I was unable to bruteforce: Wenut and Mirror maiden (before she was nerfed)

[hollow gorge]

tbh, I feel like if any soulslike live-service could exist, each season it would need to reset most of the non-material progress by converting it to something valuable like primogems

[oak copper]

probably, yeah. The souls-like formula isn't something meant to scale infinitely where you can just keep introducing things to make players stronger w/o eventually giving up what the game is about

and if you just increase diversity rather than power its not gonna do super well financially in the long-term.

[dense elbow]

https://x.com/fobm4ster/status/1801453227407458411?t=hvc-dt5q1qC2EOotJFNOEQ&s=19 @kind turtle

fobm4ster (@fobm4ster) on X

Union Level 50 Tacet Field Drops for Wuthering Waves....
I mean I guess its more tuners...

Twitter · Jun 14, 2024, 3:14 AM

[kind turtle]

21k...

[hollow gorge]

anyway, while dodge-parry is interesting, I find swap cancels more interesting still. There is something novel in being able to see all three characters play out their moves on the field tbh. Kuro just need to convert that gameplay into more combos

[cobalt apex]

got 1k more lets go...

[kind turtle]

Not even 1k more 😭

My current UL40 AVG is 21k

[cobalt apex]

[dense elbow]

Its a fucking joke lmao

[cobalt apex]

surely 1.1 will save us

[dense elbow]

Surely they're actually gonna make changes

[keen jackal]

3 gold and purple exp is actually criminal

for 60 stamina

[oak copper]

They just didnt design the game past UL30

[cobalt apex]

havent thought that far

[dense elbow]

Shortened the patch by a week so they can quickly rush out the next 5 onion levels

"wait shit people are already past 35?!"

[cobalt apex]

[oak copper]

went full on time-gate mode afteer 30 because nothing is done, people do not care and just full speed into the "under construction" sign

[keen jackal]

they shouldnt be surprised tbh

they put an event that gives 1800 exp daily

and gave us hella crystal solvents

[dense elbow]

"roadworks"? I sure hope it does

[keen jackal]

and people will see free 5 star weap at ul 45 and wanna rush to that point

and i mean same

i want the sword

[grim grove]

Jinhsi sig or Jiyan sig for Calcharo?

[dense elbow]

Jiyan sig doesnt rly do anything for him

[keen jackal]

swap to xiangling

[oak copper]

Jinhsi should be very slightly better?

[dense elbow]

But even then the standard weapon is better than all 3

[dense elbow]

Yeah not much but slightly

[grim grove]

dang

[hollow gorge]

if you already have Jiyan sig, it's not really optimal to go for Jihnsi sig too

[dense elbow]

Yeah if u have 1 already dont worry

Jinhsi sig isnt massive over our current 5 star weapons on jinhsi either iirc

[oak copper]

Jinhsi and Jiyan Sig are kinda the same, one buffs Heavies, the other Skill damage. Cal doesn't get much out of either but Skill does a little bit

[dense elbow]

yeah at least he does some skill dmg

rather than 0 heavy lol

[clear stump]

Jinhsi should be nicer since it's crit main stats

[oak copper]

That one odd Mercy cast

[dense elbow]

i mean

[burnt brook]

What to do with this event

[dense elbow]

its worth for the energy alone tbh

[dense elbow]

click proceed, go talk to the guild woman, get some fetch quest, clear that, profit

[hollow gorge]

do a quest at Pioneer Association

[oak copper]

I wanna give Calcharo a chance but the game refuses to give me decent echoes for him

[cobalt apex]

i want to play calcharo

i even pulled yinlin and got s1 on him

but his echoes are so bad

[clear stump]

It's just painful without crit weapon

[cobalt apex]

(and another excuse i have is to wait for his 5* broad )

[keen jackal]

FINALLY

HOLY SHIT

74 PITY

[keen jackal]

GOD I HATE THIS GAME

[burnt brook]

[keen jackal]

now i do my pulls on yinlin banner ^-^

im building pity for jinhsi surel

[cobalt apex]

why are u tortuing urself like that

ok maybe u deserved it

[keen jackal]

s1 yinlin good

and if i lose 5050 i have guaranteed jinhsi

[cobalt apex]

not the 4*s

[keen jackal]

i like taoqi evenb tho ill never play her

[cobalt apex]

imagine u get s1 yinlin and not enough pulls for jinhsi

[keen jackal]

im gonna spend on jinhsi

lool

so im good

[oak copper]

Yinlin's S1 is kinda whatever, isn't it? Since her actual Skill casts, which it increases, aren't a huge part of her damage

[keen jackal]

i love her so even if its a 0.1% dmg increase ill take it

(i wanna keep pulling)

[cobalt apex]

its her initial cast?

[oak copper]

so gambling addiction

[cobalt apex]

i see

[keen jackal]

resonance skill magnetic roar and lightning execution deal 70% more dmg

[oak copper]

both parts, but it doesn't affect her mark damage, only the direct skill cast hits

[cobalt apex]

i see

[keen jackal]

i mean tbh yinlin is prob gonna be a char ill play for a long time

so im ok w any dupes

and i never save currency in gacha games

[clear stump]

Man is justifying his addiction by rambling something non sensical

[keen jackal]

even if i rlly hate the chars on banner

[cobalt apex]

[clear stump]

Just alt f4 my guy, you'll thank me later

[keen jackal]

i like taking the risk that i might or might not get a char i hate

[keen jackal]

how to alt f4 on mobile

[cobalt apex]

surely its not gambling addiction

[keen jackal]

cant press alt f4 on mobile which means i should keep gambling

[cobalt apex]

i only spend on genshin and hsr (which after like 4 months i stopped cuz i realized it isnt worth it)

[oak copper]

love how it cuts off before she fails her pulls

[clear stump]

Gotta give him that hope

[cobalt apex]

average hsr 5* animation giving false hopes

ive been scammed by the path 2 times

[keen jackal]

HOLYYYY

YINLIN EATING SO GOOD

[clear stump]

You want tempest though

[keen jackal]

what

no. .

[cobalt apex]

thundering is ass

[keen jackal]

i swear

its mephis

[cobalt apex]

[keen jackal]

ARE U LYING

UR LYING TO ME RN

[clear stump]

That thundering requires 4-5s field time to get the effect

[oak copper]

There is Thundering Mephis and Tempest Mephis

[clear stump]

Only after you unleash the final attack you get the buff

Tempest just requires 1.5s like a chad

[keen jackal]

jumping off a cliff in game

surely i get these rolls on a tempest first try

this game so ass cuz i made a mistake

[cobalt apex]

or just screw the 2nd hit and dont waste any time

[keen jackal]

blame the game not the player

[timid sierra]

me when i got two pretty good thundering mephis pieces and sac’d one to raise a tempest that was only mid in comparison

[cobalt apex]

shouldnt have raised thundering in the first place

[timid sierra]

honestly i didnt even know tempest mephis existed that time when i was farming thundering

[keen jackal]

Where is he

[timid sierra]

lmao

he’s underground

[cobalt apex]

underground'

[keen jackal]

this game soo ass

[timid sierra]

you have to go to the hole in the nearby tacet feild looking thing

near the healing waypoint

[keen jackal]

portable waypoint calling my name

[clear stump]

Yea I use a waypoint there as well

[keen jackal]

ok found it

gonna get cdmg main stat double crit atk% ult dmg skill dmg max rolls first try

[timid sierra]

isnt crate main better most of the time

[clear stump]

He have stringmaster

[cobalt apex]

depends on ur subs

[timid sierra]

oh

[cobalt apex]

even with cr weapon if u dont have enough cr subs and use the cd mainstat the ratio will be horrendous

[timid sierra]

i finally got ul45 and lustrous razor for calcharo/jiyan

horray

[cobalt apex]

ill prob get UL 45 in like 2 days

[timid sierra]

but my builds are still poo poo stinky smadge

[cobalt apex]

so calcharo is just benched until then

[keen jackal]

f2p ahh take!!!!!!

sorry .

nothing wrong w f2p!

dont spend money on gacha games!

[cobalt apex]

f2p is great

[timid sierra]

i dont want to be f2p but i cant convert cash to online money

smadge

i want bp and lunite sub!!

[cobalt apex]

and even if i spend i never go past bp

[keen jackal]

i got both

i loveeeeeeeee pass bp

and im gonna buy 100 euro bundle on jinhsi

[timid sierra]

pass bp is all im willing to do for GI/WW now

[keen jackal]

with the first time top up and everything mnhgmhghkjjj~

[timid sierra]

my calcarrot is so sad rn

i dont have yinlin for him, and my mortefi and sanhua do peepee dmg

[wheat moon]

Not rly, more often than not it's harder to build crit rate than cdmg

Cuz if u can spam cdmg and get the bare minimum for crit rate, it checks out

[keen jackal]

Ok!

i think i need like

12 more er

my ourple bird could be a lot better .., ., sigh

[clear stump]

That's a high rolled crit

I would keep it for cal even if you get a double crit later on

[cobalt apex]

thats a max roll

[keen jackal]

ya am gonna keep it but ill roll more

atk% er and crate is nice

but i want cdmg and skill dmg bonus too !!!!!!!

[clear stump]

I'm over here with 6.3 and shit

[keen jackal]

i need the perfect yinlin

[cobalt apex]

dont feel bad about it wuwa favors low rolls

[keen jackal]

swapping to tempest holy shit

this changes EVERYTHING

feels so much better to play yinlin now . .

[neat robin]

Youve been using thundering? 😭

[clear stump]

Bruh moment

[sterile swallow]

FR. I have yet to see 10.5 cr roll on my account. Always 6.3%-7.5% cr on my DPS echoes

I did see a 9.9% cr substat roll, but it's on Verina's ER echo

[olive osprey]

Are there any jiyan sheets out there? I want to know how much of a increase S6 jiyan is

[lament thorn]

https://x.com/Soul_StormOP/status/1801384322206994920

⚡️ Soul ⚡️ (@Soul_StormOP) on X

AINT NO WAY LMAOOOOO

Twitter · Jun 13, 2024, 10:41 PM

ITS TIM E

[rotund drum]

apparently the game's only barely made back its dev costs so far

so its "profitable" now but lol

[wheat moon]

Now it'll be a steady stream of increase

[rotund drum]

at this point it might be easier to do what cygames did with priconne and just pull the plug and come back with a wuwa re:dive

[wheat moon]

Nah I don't think that's a good idea

[rotund drum]

worked for squeenix and cygames

[wheat moon]

Yeah but those don't translate to CN video game companies

Sometimes what works for them, might not work for others

Cuz different environment

[rotund drum]

the other alternative is to keep pouring money into a failed launch while players continue to complain about issues and leave en masse

[barren drift]

idk i invested plenty much time during a short period. i will not come back to the game if that happens

[wheat moon]

When I heard that the beta story was changed to what we have now bc CN bros didn't like that it's too realistic, made me think

[wheat moon]

I think they're cooking, they're listening very well

[rotund drum]

look at diablo

im sure its good now but its too late

everyone just goes "i already played it and it sucks"

they're not gonna reinstall it even if they actually fixed everything

if they made diablo re:dive people would probably try it though

sometimes its better to just cut your losses while you still have players rather than continue to flush money down the toilet while continuing to piss off players

[wheat moon]

Fairs

[hollow gorge]

making back its dev costs in less than a month is huge. It's a thing of a very profitable game

[wheat moon]

^

[neat robin]

As long as they keep communicating and fixing issues it should be fine
Its still just 1.0 after all

[oak copper]

Thats assuming they have the option to re-develop the game and I highly doubt it. And if its already made its money back there is no reason to stop now, especially as 1.1 and likely patches after that already in the pipeline

[fickle kernel]

ylsimp do u just say random things like it’s stating to get annoying

[rotund drum]

if you and 20 of your buddies spent 3 years and $10 million doing nothing but making a game and made exactly $10 million back would you consider that to be huge

[neat robin]

simp is always doomposting something or other

[fickle kernel]

the constant confident loud and wrong is too much

[neat robin]

$10m in one month, yes

[oak copper]

If it made that money back in 3 weeks while planning to run it for years, absolutely

[wheat moon]

This

[barren drift]

and remarketing a reboot game also costs money

[oak copper]

And there is just no way to copy Genshin's success, if thats your bar you dont even need to start

[wheat moon]

^

[rotund drum]

you can make a generic autobattler gacha for much less time and effort than a genshin clone

[neat robin]

Id like to see wuwa push into the combat mechanics more. I’m not playing it to be casual fights like genshin is 99% of the time

[rotund drum]

and for way more profit too

[hollow gorge]

WuWa has the makings of a good game, they don't need remarketing or remake. They just need to chisel it out.

[rotund drum]

thats why theres so many spinoff gacha games

[wheat moon]

^

[rotund drum]

so if you're gonna spend the effort to make a new ip to compete with genshit it better actually be able to compete

[hollow gorge]

If they manage to make it distinct from Genshin, they would be in a good position I think

[wheat moon]

Yeah but would the same audience for wuwa WANT to play that same game?

[rotund drum]

otherwise you might as well have just made the autobattler

[oak copper]

and if ToF is still running and being lucrative while having way more issues at launch, then I don't see why WuWa would be in any sort of trouble

[wheat moon]

[storm ledge]

^

[rotund drum]

have you played PGR lol

[barren drift]

whats ur point?

[wheat moon]

No I can't say I have but that doesn't deter from my point

[neat robin]

I play genshin for the funny colours (reactions) and for chars
I’m playing wuwa for actual combat

[hollow gorge]

ToF at launch was literally unplayable. Like not counting all the bugs, boss desyncs were atrocious lmao.

[storm ledge]

I played some PGR, was fun
though I stopped playing it cuz no time

[neat robin]

Genshin music though >>

[wheat moon]

If someone like kuro games just made a copy of pgr when it already exists and I assume that auto battler experience is what PGR delivers based on what you've said then I see no point in playing it

[sterile swallow]

Genshin can hire a whole orchestra with the profits they made

[neat robin]

Tof requiring whales for coop vs bosses was atrocious
And every single char powercrept the previous

[sterile swallow]

Of course their music will be stellar

[hollow gorge]

hopefully WuWa gets enough money to get Vanguard back on track for OSTs

[sterile swallow]

And very much appreciated

[hollow gorge]

ambient music atm is uninspired

[storm ledge]

yeah that was my reason for quitting

[fickle kernel]

honestly ToF music was better than genshin

[sterile swallow]

Never played ToF so I can't comment there

But requiring whales for co-op vs. bosses sounds terrible

[storm ledge]

don't remember the music

[hollow gorge]

not the first bosses. Bosses before the expansion could be done by knowing mechanics and properly dodging their comboes. Which was a good thing. Ofc you could do that only if there were only 8 ppl or less, otherwise it became a lagfest and no mechanics were possible

[fickle kernel]

no the coop whales bit was terrible

[oak copper]

thats just the natural consequence of trying to make a Gacha MMO of sorts. Hence it being a apretty shitty idea in practice

[neat robin]

People would literally group up, one whale would party with 3 non, and then the whale from each party would go fight the boss while f2ps just stood there dodging bc you did like 5 dmg

[hollow gorge]

definitely better than WuWa. I still remember the music in the central region. Great stuff

[fickle kernel]

the music at the amusement park crazy good too

and at the club 🤣🤣

[hollow gorge]

true Especially the one that turns on at the afternoon

[storm ledge]

by the time 2.0 came out you couldn't do the highest lvl domains and stuff without whales

[hollow gorge]

you kinda could, if you fully invested in electro team

[neat robin]

Not with c0 chars

And by the time f2p got to c6 their team was powercrept by like 10 other chars

I quit a while back but the new c0 chars were stronger than the old c6’s

[hollow gorge]

the game gave decent amount of rolls, and its gacha system allowed you to reach c6 on 2-3 select characters rather soon. Like when you finished exploring the main continent

[hollow gorge]

well, yeh, powercreep was atrocious because of that specifically. Since f2ps could actually get c6 chars rather soon

[neat robin]

Pvp in a gacha always leads to crazy powercreep

[storm ledge]

in the pvp you had c6 by default iirc
there's no relation there lmao

[hollow gorge]

kinda true. Though I don't think it's the pvp part that is the problem. It's just devs see the way to earn easy money and go for it lmao

[oak copper]

I'd blame that on incompetence, powercreeping THIS hard all the time doesn't help anyone

[hollow gorge]

oh yeah, that was a thing actually, I forgot. Pretty good decision on their part tbh. PVP wasn't bad, just a bit unbalanced, since the electro team was OP

[storm ledge]

yeah they tried to tune the numbers down compared to the cn version but didn't do anything against powercreep that happened in cn

[storm ledge]

pvp was fine (was winnin without electro) except for bad servers and lots of bugs

[neat robin]

I was using ice when I quit
Saki was powercrept
But alyss, that martial art (support form) and the newer flying sword lady

[upper flare]

would calcharo be better off using this compared to a 3 star atk% sword

[neat robin]

Fenrir was definitely fun though but I think got replaced too

[neat robin]

No he wants atk

[upper flare]

this is the one i have atm

[upper flare]

well i kinda only have 3 stars 💀

[storm ledge]

you could select standard broadblade once you get 45

[upper flare]

hmm true ig, altho calch is my only broadblade user

[neat robin]

Or wait for jinshis for cr main

Standard sword is too good unless you hate hrover or something

[hollow gorge]

don't use selector for calch only tbh

[upper flare]

i dont quite have any otherheavy sword users

my current setup

[storm ledge]

are you planning on getting jinshi?

[upper flare]

not sure tbh, not that interested atm

does danjin use 5pc havoc set

[storm ledge]

yeah

[upper flare]

aight

[blissful tulip]

https://youtu.be/cKRSeV_Bn4c?si=IssNowvt46Tho645

Good god Stringmaster is good

[neat robin]

Talent priority for encore?
Basics > ?

[hollow gorge]

I think Liberation > Forte > Skill

and else is whatever, lvl4 it

[neat robin]

So shes more like cal. Using ult makes her do liberation dmg ?
While jiyan ults then is just doing heavy(basic talent) 😭

[hollow gorge]

no, she does basic dmg

but in her ult state

[neat robin]

Yeah but its scaling off ult level?

[hollow gorge]

yeah, it has separate scalings from ult lvl

[oak copper]

Its basically like most Genshin stances

Multipliers are on Ult talent but the dmg type is still Basic Attack etc.

[hollow gorge]

tbh, they didn't need to make it this confusing this early in the game lmao. Most ppl just won't have attention span for their essays of a char mechanic

like nobody would have died if there were a bit less diversity at this point. If Jiyan did Liberation DMG instead of Heavy DMG, and Mortefi boosted Lib DMG. I don't think that diversity would have suffered that much

[neat robin]

Thats why I wanted a summary button (like how realm lets you see full description or just a quick outline)

[oak copper]

Genshin did Childe in 1.1, don't think its too much of an issue, but them focussing so much on characters doing specific damage types is a bit weird

There is nothing that really screams "Heavy Attack" about Jiyan's Ult

[neat robin]

I just need to know
Char ults > scales off ult level > deals basic/heavy type dmg (so yk what support to use)

[hollow gorge]

and a lot of ppl outside of husbando clique skipped him, because it took half a year to understand how to play him kekw

[neat robin]

Well tbh. Jiyans ult is just. Hold basic
Which is how you use a heavy atk normally

So that does make sense

[hollow gorge]

most other characters were pretty straightforward in genshin 1.x

[oak copper]

but on the flipside, despite them focussing so much on units doign specific dmg types, most of them still have a rainbow-ish dmg profile. They confused the heck out of people with Cal and in the end he still only does a little more than 50% Liberation damage

[hollow gorge]

for the exception of Eula

[hollow gorge]

I think it's better to run Encore with Yinlin or Hrover than a dedicated support, + Verina

[oak copper]

holding it is more a convenience, you can also just press every single attack, its not like he can still access his Basics

[neat robin]

Feels like for echos
Ignore all dmg types for subs
Cr cdmg er atk% atk (or def% def) is just the way to go

But if you have to pick a cr cdmg heavy vs cr cdmg liberation itd still matter depending on char

[oak copper]

Do I mald for 21*s in ToA before UL40 or do I just lean back and casually grab it at UL40?

[neat robin]

I accepted 19* and gave up lol

[blissful tulip]

If ToA doesn't end before UL40, wait

[hollow gorge]

do you have Yinlin and Jiyan?

[oak copper]

yes

[blissful tulip]

Same here, game does not want to give me good echoes

With exception to a few

[neat robin]

Id say my jiyan is very well built
But I can only get 1* on mephis

[hollow gorge]

you could mald 21* I think, if you find it fun. Like 1* on felian, and both f4 before UL40 is definitely possible

[oak copper]

I could 1* Mephis right after hitting UL30, haven't been back in a while, 2*s might be doable now. ALso set things up in a way Jiyan can do both Bosses, so I'd jsut need to get Heron down at all

[neat robin]

Yeah true

I have jiyan 3* on both 3rd floors so I can only use him on mephis though

[oak copper]

Third Team is not setup yet for me to do Feilian, would be 2* Mephis and 1* Heron if anything

[neat robin]

I’m trying to get cal/yinlin echos decent enough rn

My cal has more def than atk its so sad

[hollow gorge]

I think it's easier 1* Mephis and 2* Heron. I couldn't 2* heron so last iteration I gave up on 21*

[upper flare]

is this wep fine

[oak copper]

I managed to do 1-2, 1-3, 3-2 and 3-3 with Cal+Yinlin+Yangyang, wasn't very fun but I wanted thee flexibility

[oak copper]

Haven't done Heron, yet, mostly assumed Mephis was gonna be easier because of the Aero Buffs on that side

[upper flare]

among these i have to build up sanhua and danjin right

heard those two were good

[hollow gorge]

I feel like buffs are not that important. Heron has a simpler moveset and more opportunities to dishout damage without dodging

[neat robin]

I always dodge too early on heron lol

[hollow gorge]

just be greedy and do damage and dodge as an afterthought kekw. That's the true heron tactic

[neat robin]

I’m basically healerless there, I have to dodge

[hollow gorge]

you need to dodge, the point was by being greedy you time your dodges later kekw

[neat robin]

Ahh

Yeah

[opal venture]

Just got 21* ez clap

But its highest i can reach now until getting another dps

[knotty fiber]

I'm too lazy to build Mortefi any further

[hollow gorge]

gratz, I am hoping to get Stringmaster for my Encore and possibly get 24* this iteration

[opal venture]

Good luck to u

I will wait until jinhsi come

[hollow gorge]

tbh, I am not even sure he needs building before he gets a 5* pistol

[opal venture]

She should open up more cost and hopefully getting me 24* in the process

[knotty fiber]

I got it alr

[neat robin]

Yeah morts ult dmg is pretty low

With a 3* pistol still though

[upper flare]

anyone

[hollow gorge]

ah, well, yeah, then it's ok. Maybe.

[knotty fiber]

Not that low ig
Lv60 char+pistol still dealing 500 dmg per hit

But I kinda need his S4 still

More uptime

[hollow gorge]

yeah, I expect him to do around 1000-1200 dmg per hit at lvl70 with a 5* pistol at s4 (due to his additive DMG buff from the ult duration). Which is good, but you need both 5* and his s4. And it still is barely viable tbh

[blissful tulip]

How many hits does he do overall?

1000 per hit, considering his quick coordinated attack speed and how often it hits, is not bad at all

[hollow gorge]

discounting the bug, around 40-50 procs at s4 for Jiyan

[opal venture]

Sanhua should be prioritize here

[hollow gorge]

probably less considering the bug

[knotty fiber]

I can't do anything rn cuz electricity is out in the local and I don't wanna play on phone

And I haven't farmed today's tour yet

Prolly gonna get my laptop somewhere so that I can play

[hollow gorge]

yeah, but the amount of investment is rather big. Outside of Jiyan, any burst bot would be more effective with that amount of investment

[upper flare]

sanhua then danjin then?

anyone else i have to focus on

[opal venture]

Danjin is not much recommended to play unless you have mad skills in the game and really like her

[upper flare]

man every time i try building someone new after people say she good someone pops up with a caveat the next day 💀

[opal venture]

That is one reason u should build sanhua

She is very well balanced for her role

Also easy to play around

[upper flare]

ig i will do that

cant really level up my top trio atm

[blissful tulip]

Is Sanhua worth building at S0 with no basic atk abusers?

[opal venture]

I build her as dps tbh

Her CA is fun though could be frustrated sometimes when mobs are too aggro

I have only S1 too, i see no different from s0

At s2 she could be a more proper onfield dps with interuption resistance

[blissful tulip]

Tough call given the amount of resources

But I can see why, her burst cycle is very quick

[cobalt cobalt]

How are you supposed to do this event?

I’m so confused

It says there are tasks but there’s nothing there do I have to wait till refresh to play it or something?

[lament shuttle]

relog

[neat robin]

I’m losing my mind over this map marker bug

I just want to track all the echos I’m needing not have to sweep the map 5x by the tracker for 5 types of echos

[dense elbow]

She rotates her stuff so quick that yeah she can be a good slot in regardless

Shits out more overall energy than yangyang i believe xD

Or at least around that

[blissful tulip]

That's fair, will consider her after UL50

[knotty fiber]

so close yet so far

I hate the jump back

[neat robin]

Encore hrover duo is fine? I could keep building danjin but definitely dont have 2 havoc sets yet

[rotund drum]

danjin and encore both use field time so hrover is probably fine

[blissful tulip]

Honestly, anyone + HRover is fine

HRover is such a good burst nuker on their own that they can fit almost anywhere

[neat robin]

Alr

That’ll keep me busy for another week

Have to farm for both their echo sets

How much er recommended on hrover? Ngl havent bothered to use yet since I was waiting for the 5* sword

[blissful tulip]

125+% is good, although others may have different thoughts

[neat robin]

Okay and unrelated are we stuck at s4 spectro and s2 havoc for the moment?

Making sure I havent missed a Sequence

[floral bone]

yes

[neat robin]

And I also realize I should find a cdmg dreamless instead
Cr sword + 4-5 cr subs
And eventually s6 hrover gives more cr

[hollow gorge]

Like 20% but more would help too

[rotund drum]

i wonder if they'll ever add more simulated universe stuff or if that mode is just on indefinite hiatus forever

[neat robin]

Hopefully new chars get added

[rotund drum]

the op versions of existing characters is funny but im sick of them trying to ram jiyan down my throat every chance they get

[neat robin]

But they have to alter everyone’s kit to work in dream with the upgraded skills

[blissful tulip]

It's been confirmed that they will update the mode with new characters and echoes

[rotund drum]

i dont think anyone even likes jiyan

[blissful tulip]

The mode itself will not change for some time

[neat robin]

Thats a lie

You just hate everyone & doompost everything daily

[rotund drum]

he barely sold anything and no one ever talks about him

its always encore or calcharo