・wuwa-lounge

[rotund drum]

hopefully never

imagine like 2 episodes of some npc talking for every sidequest

[cobalt apex]

i hope it wont even be about the current time

and about khaenriah and stuff

[rotund drum]

the voice lines for some of the event quests are longer than full-length movies if you let them autoplay in full

literally hours

you could fill an entire anime season with just the npc's intro dialogue about his children's card game that he wants you to playtest for 30 primogems

[knotty fiber]

the only thing I want from their anime adaptation is more Dainsleif

the rest can fuck off

[rotund drum]

dainsleif would be cool if you could actually get to any of the story segments about him without 2000 lines about some npc you dont care about

i dont know why you're fighting a whale in fontaine or why arlecchino joins your party after you beat her up

i assume the whale is drinking all the water which is why the sea levels are dropping and you beat the evil out of arlecchino so she turns over a new leaf

[blissful tulip]

I wouldn't mind this once they have better EN direction

[knotty fiber]

amazing

[blissful tulip]

Kuro is more than capable of writing good stories

[knotty fiber]

the lag actually killed me @cobalt apex

I kept getting connection issue during battle

[blissful tulip]

Unfortunately that does not happen

[knotty fiber]

they gang'd me

[blissful tulip]

A little more nuanced than that

[rotund drum]

evil fatui mind control device

solvable by beating up the person being controlled

like in every jrpg/shounen anime

[blissful tulip]

No, nothing like that

[rotund drum]

she was double agent for the fontaine government and fighting you was all in accordance with keikaku

[knotty fiber]

all the purple drops make me wanna play 1.1 asap

[rotund drum]

im pretty sure its one of those three

[knotty fiber]

so that I can have that 100% gold drop

[rotund drum]

you wont get them anyway

need ar50 for it

[cobalt apex]

the 100% gold drop will be our saving grace

[blissful tulip]

The 4* drops haven't bothered me yet, I'm more excited about the snowboard feature

[knotty fiber]

I'll be UL50 when 1.1 hits

[rotund drum]

ar50 will literally take like a month if you're not a whale

[knotty fiber]

no worries

[blissful tulip]

Hopefully there are more than 3 snowboarding sections in Waves' Dragonspine

[rotund drum]

shadow of the erdtree will be out before ar50 lmao

[kind turtle]

apparently the DB21 in beta might be for testing and not real

[cobalt apex]

i should reach 50 like 2-3d after 1.1

[blissful tulip]

Dawntrail as well

[blissful tulip]

I should play Elden Ring

Only DS game I played was 2

And I loved it

[knotty fiber]

there will be another x2 event soon

[rotund drum]

if you played genshin you've already played elden ring

[knotty fiber]

right before 1.1

[kind turtle]

adding in (what i think) is the double XP from the tacet drops later

[rotund drum]

all of mhy's locales are just ripped off

[blissful tulip]

For sure, Genshin invented worldbuilding

[rotund drum]

there's crumbling farum azula and liurnia of the lakes and miquella's haligtree

[kind turtle]

genshin was the first open world game

[cobalt apex]

genshin was the first video game

[knotty fiber]

assuming we get 2 attempts per day from tacet field it should be 4300 xp/day, same as intensive training

[weary acorn]

Only thing genshin didn't invent is the horse physics on rdr2

[rotund drum]

i remember GSIMPs trying to argue that sumera wasnt miquella's haligtree then fontaine came out

[kind turtle]

it's 3 per day

[rotund drum]

and now no one really disputes it

[kind turtle]

450xp per tacet run

• 7 days

wtf

why is asterisk bullet point

thats hyphen as well

[cobalt apex]

• 1

[knotty fiber]

do we have the details yet?

I don't think we do

[kind turtle]

it was announced before the game released

[rotund drum]

i like watching reddit casuals get mad about tacet field droprates

[blissful tulip]

Oh, only 15 days for me until I reach UL50

[cobalt apex]

i should decide what weapon i will get before next week

[knotty fiber]

so 1350 extra xp per day

[rotund drum]

its like they never played genshit

[blissful tulip]

Just in time before Zenless, can finish everything there

[knotty fiber]

it's not even about the tacet field drop rate

it's about the echo foddering return

[cobalt apex]

ill be 1d late for zenless

[rotund drum]

its 80% iirc

[knotty fiber]

30% tuners return

is garbage

[rotund drum]

same as genshit

[blissful tulip]

You'll be fine, Waves isn't going anywhere

[knotty fiber]

75% for xp

30% for tuner

[rotund drum]

close enough

[cobalt apex]

its 60% for tuners no?

5 to 3

[blissful tulip]

No, 30%

50 to 15

[knotty fiber]

30%

10 to 3

[cobalt apex]

oh

alr

[knotty fiber]

60% would have been amazing

[rotund drum]

iirc it takes about 10 runs to +25 one echo so if its bad and you recycle the xp thats about 2.5 runs per attempt

[cobalt apex]

[blissful tulip]

Can't have everything nice

[rotund drum]

which is also enough to get you the tuners

[kind turtle]

6.5 tacet field runs for a +25 on avg

[rotund drum]

this is also at AR40 so it's only gonna get better with higher ARs

[cobalt apex]

wont be much

[rotund drum]

6.5 with 75% refund on reroll is pretty good

[cobalt apex]

AR 50 will be like 6.2 runs or smth

[rotund drum]

its pretty much just a tuner gate then

assuming tuner rate is linear with each WL we should be at 30-35 by the end of it

so one +25 echo in less than 2 runs

if i got an on-set mainstat piece every 2 runs in genshit i'd have everyone with perfect gear already

[knotty fiber]

I don't think so lol

the increment will probably be less as we go toward the last phases

thanks @cobalt apex
no usable, again

[rotund drum]

think about how often you get nothing but trash in genshit and imagine if you were instead guaranteed a modeling resin every 2 runs

[cobalt apex]

rip

[rotund drum]

even 25-30 tuners per run is adequate

thats enough to roll 3 subs on a piece and trash it if they're bad

or you take your chances with all 5

every 2 runs

[blissful tulip]

You don't have to level up said trash, in Waves, the piece you are forced to level up may or may not be trash, especially with the larger amount of substats rolled such as skill%/ult%

[rotund drum]

you have to spend resin on getting the trash

its a sunk cost already whether or not you level it

in wuwa you get the trash for free and spend resin on leveling it

genshit is spend resin rolling on set + mainstat + rng on subs

vs spend resin to get tuners + rng on subs

its same diff

except at least getting tuners isnt rng

[knotty fiber]

💀 don't give me more aero plz my Jiyan is alr looking good

[rotund drum]

you're guaranteed a roll on subs every 2 runs which is more often than you're likely to get a on-set piece with the correct mainstat in genshit

even accounting for head/gloves which are fixed mainstat

[cobalt apex]

now u can try and get an cr/cd/atk%/atk/heavy% echo

[knotty fiber]

I would say ER% better than flat

[cobalt apex]

truege

[knotty fiber]

but nah I would take high 4 rolls over mid/low 5 rolls

I hate mid/low rolls

[cobalt apex]

unfortunately wuwa favors low rolls more

[dense elbow]

jseus christ whos balancing the wuwa beta server

😭

[knotty fiber]

a replication of this but change that skill dmg to atk% would be perfect

[forest dome]

we got smth?

[blissful tulip]

Did Changli/Jinshi get buffed?

[knotty fiber]

mid rolls but I can put up with it

[cobalt apex]

what happened leifa

[knotty fiber]

I don't think so

wait lemme chec

[blissful tulip]

Meant to reply to Leifa

[dense elbow]

mfw changli has the same fkn outro as yinlin but fusion, yet they have it a 10s duration for changli specifically rather than 14

💀

[dense elbow]

definitely not

[forest dome]

smh my head

[knotty fiber]

so you're just looking at the old info

[dense elbow]

changlis was also 14s in code but 10s in description, they updated it to 10s in code coz they wanna fuck over encore synergy and give her no use i guess?

[knotty fiber]

I thought there's new patch

[dense elbow]

well

its not new as in today

but recently

if u were just going by the description theres no changes

its just fkn weird

[cobalt apex]

yo good thing i dont have encore

[blissful tulip]

My poor Chixia

[dense elbow]

then mfw jinhsi is gapped by jiyan

[forest dome]

need 1.1 to come sooner... yinlin making me unwise

[dense elbow]

lower output and no grouping so less AoE

whilst being stuck in the air so not a lot of stuff to quickswap with

[forest dome]

[cobalt apex]

[forest dome]

there will be banger buff...

trust

[dense elbow]

like

shes still a strong dps

but

[knotty fiber]

rare gold drop

[dense elbow]

doesnt make sense for jiyan to outperform

[opal venture]

Arent we can swap character mid-air ?

[dense elbow]

[dense elbow]

yes but those other characters cant attack midair theyre forced to plunge to the ground

[cobalt apex]

u traded all ur gold birds for this

[dense elbow]

unless ur verina i guess

[knotty fiber]

I expected her to be on the same level as Jiyan or slightly better but

[blissful tulip]

Verina can plunge, it's just wonky

[opal venture]

I plan to play her with both verina and sanhua

[knotty fiber]

well I'm not in beta so idk

[opal venture]

Sanhua’s plunge is smooth tho

[cobalt apex]

furina

[knotty fiber]

[cobalt apex]

i hate swapping mid air and plunge so much

[opal venture]

Damn yea lol just said furina

[cobalt apex]

i got one shot so many times while plunging that i just hate swapping mid air

[dense elbow]

yeah i meant attacking in midair

[opal venture]

Thats why I only do it with sanhua

Since she plunges very quick

[blissful tulip]

I hate how certain characters' intro skills force them into the air

[cobalt apex]

yea

[dense elbow]

its not an issue of how their plunge feels, its that you have another attack and animation to go through before you can quickswap and do the ability you wanted them to do

[blissful tulip]

Both Rovers and Verina being the primary example

[knotty fiber]

I hate playing Verina

[cobalt apex]

thats the only reason i gave up on clearing dif 6 monkey

rover dying mid air just frustrate me too much

[oak copper]

so far the game hasn't been very respectful of the opportunity cost of attack animations in general

[cobalt apex]

kuro tries to push air combat with jinhsi but its so clunky rn

[opal venture]

I see, though she is first 5* dps and has important role in lore, so I dont think they will make her any weaker

[dense elbow]

you also cant use echo skills in midair

[oak copper]

enemies get super aggressive while you have to go through some flashy cutscenes or maneuvers only to get oneshot the moment you come out of i-frames

[dense elbow]

which is rly fkn annoying

[opal venture]

Probly she will excel on ST mostly

[rotund drum]

midhsi can regular dodge in midair i think

[dense elbow]

they aint updated shit on beta so who knows lol

[rotund drum]

shes basically izanami

[dense elbow]

jiyan excelling in ST and AoE with better AoE and grouping whilst dealing more damage is just hillarious

[rotund drum]

or il wanderero i guess

[blissful tulip]

Especially problematic in Dif 6 bosses, where the extra mechanics fuck with it even more

[oak copper]

There is just a pretty significant disconnect between having flashy af animations and tight dodge/parry widnows on very aggressive enemies. It just doesn't mesh well

[opal venture]

This ^^

I faced all the time with calcharo

During his intro cutscene

Fcking why u put that cutscene on his intro

[knotty fiber]

S-1 Goku and got Lingyang

[dense elbow]

i cry every time this button doesnt say update

😭

[knotty fiber]

Tf

My hours ago text

[cobalt apex]

[forest dome]

betting all on 1.1 to unbrick my account

😔 ✊

[knotty fiber]

You're in CN beta?

Or is dat PS

[blissful tulip]

Doesn't stop time either

[cobalt apex]

make every cutscene stop time please thank you in advance kuro

[oak copper]

I guess lucking out on S2R1 Jiyan might've been a pretty good investment then, chinese general not mid for once

[blissful tulip]

I somewhat wish the turtle echo was an immediate button press

Rather than having to do a short animation to activate it

[knotty fiber]

His S2 actually good

But his S1

Nuh uh

[cobalt apex]

u can animation cancel that no?

[dense elbow]

i have it downloaded but cant play lmao

there is no PS

but datamining it isnt hard

so if anything changes i can still check that lol

[dense elbow]

you can cancel it with 90% of things (just dont cancel it with ult because its buff timer still counts down during an ult animation even if other stuff freezes.......)

[blissful tulip]

Oh does it now

[oak copper]

Its not gonna look like anything on paper but I kinda like it from a gameplay perspective. Bit more flexible on energy gen for him, can shift rotations around a bit becaause you don't have to use it immediately as it gets back up

[kind turtle]

yeah on verina i do EQ jn1 swap, literally every one of those moves is an anim cancel

[knotty fiber]

Yeah it's mostly this

[neat robin]

Stoppppp

[knotty fiber]

Still, it's similar to Xiao, not a good one to intentionally get

[knotty fiber]

Welcome to my

WORLDDDD

[cobalt apex]

[kind turtle]

E gains forte stack immediately on activation
turtle activates immediately
jump cancels the bell anim
n1 to cancel the jump early
swap before n1 actually hits, as it also applies forte healing on activation

[dense elbow]

a lot of stuff freezes during ult time stop, including cooldowns, but buff durations do not so it desyncs the buff from its cooldown

😭

[cobalt apex]

[oak copper]

with Xiao its a tad different because he already has 2 and you go to 3 and you dont get all 3 back each rotation because it has a 10s CD per charge.

I definitely wouldn't chase it but atleast rn I dont think its actually bad

[lament shuttle]

Is this in calcs or like beta tester feedback

[dense elbow]

calcs from a friend but unfortunately their sheet isnt public

so take my word with a grain of salt

[dense elbow]

like ive seen the sheet but cant share it i mean

also

what are the devs smoking to be calling changli a main damage dealer

[lament shuttle]

What is she

[dense elbow]

kinda just these two

[lament shuttle]

So boosts encore.

[dense elbow]

not really

[lament shuttle]

🤨

Boosts chixia ??

[dense elbow]

coz for some reason her outro is only 10s not 14 despite being the same thing as yinlins

i need to test when encores forte ult is actually calc'd for if she would get the amplify on swap

but

[lament shuttle]

How long is encore ult rotation

[dense elbow]

10s isnt long enough for it to apply to that regardless

[lament shuttle]

Ah

[dense elbow]

longer than 10s if you want the buff applying to the forte heavy hit

[lament shuttle]

Awkward

[dense elbow]

weird devs

trying to make encore competition immediately

rather than synergising

rly just kinda releasing whatever the fuck

whilst jinhsi has basically no good teammates lol

you pick yinlin or sanhua

[lament shuttle]

Does spectro rover not help

Idk maybe my brain is matching colours

[dense elbow]

no theyre kinda shit coz youre just gonna run verina there anyways too

she really

really

does not like mono spectro

because of her incandescence stacks

that 3s is reduced to 1s on outro

so between jinhsi rotations

you wanna spam the fuck out of other elements on your other 2 characters

jinhsi may be able to proc this too which may give baizhi some value, but you cant run baizhi if you run sanhua lmfao

[oak copper]

does that work with Echo damage types aswell?

[dense elbow]

it gives impermanence heron better value with clouds set tho coz the hold skill can be swap cancelled and it hits multiple times

[dense elbow]

should do, it apparently looks for elements

[dense elbow]

which is y i say this

[lament shuttle]

So she needs a cloud user

[oak copper]

rainbow teams

[lament shuttle]

Cuz otherwise no echo use in mid air

[dense elbow]

rainbow teams except verina is still too good

[oak copper]

turtle is Glacio atleast

[dense elbow]

with a 20s CD

so thats 1 extra stack

[oak copper]

[dense elbow]

which you dont even get if youre poor and use sanhua not yinlin

also before its brought up

this is her s2

however it only works when youre outside of combat

not just by swapping off

[lament shuttle]

So it’s useless

[dense elbow]

so its kinda just useless and doesnt actually enable mono spectro lol

[oak copper]

So you get to start with a big hit and thats it

[dense elbow]

yup

frontload on the 1st rot

[lament shuttle]

They trying to copy paste Eula

[forest dome]

save me jinhsi..

[dense elbow]

she really needs verina to just

gtfo lol

[oak copper]

guess the question is how important it is to optimize these stacks and how far out of your way you will go for it

[dense elbow]

but needs someone with long enough buffs that theyre worth using

[kind turtle]

camellya will be meta and save us🙏

[olive osprey]

Man jinhsi...

[dense elbow]

straight main damage dealer as of the current leftover data

[forest dome]

sanhua and danjin on the banner also tempting

[dense elbow]

still not got an outro skill tho

[dense elbow]

well each stack is extra MV so

[kind turtle]

outro will kill the enemy instantly

[dense elbow]

each stack is 26.84% MV at T10

[kind turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-wuthering-waves-wuwa-chun-flower-gif-15934174062534311132

[lament shuttle]

Btw is the Jinhsi weapon better than the two 5* broadswords for calchero or nah

[oak copper]

Make a Hoyo and only release DPS units and maybe a random omega important Support right before highly anticipated units

[dense elbow]

so if you somehow got her to 40 stacks (you wont in a normal rot with our current chars) that 1073.6% MV lmfao

[dense elbow]

[dense elbow]

but yeah these stacks are pretty fkn fat

[oak copper]

How about a broken Support in 1.6? Would be very original

[dense elbow]

🔥

[lament shuttle]

Was that kazuha

[dense elbow]

mhm

[oak copper]

Kazuha and Ruan Mei

[forest dome]

and a mid dps 🔥

[blissful tulip]

Buff something in 1.6 as well

[olive osprey]

Camellya in 1.3 confirmed? Kek

[lament shuttle]

Why 1.3

We won’t know 1.2

[olive osprey]

Hu Tao 1.3

[lament shuttle]

Oh

[olive osprey]

[forest dome]

make her sp so i can run with mc

[lament shuttle]

Any light spenders at 21 or 24 Doritos yet

[forest dome]

20 doritos at most rn for me

have yet to get any limited stuffs

[blissful tulip]

19 Doritos, my electros aren't lucky in the slightest

[forest dome]

encore and havoc mc carrying my ass rn

[dense elbow]

seen e0s1 calcharo + yinlin 3 star the middle chamber with a 30 dorito clear overall

but good fucking god

[forest dome]

smhg

[blissful tulip]

How the fuck

[dense elbow]

i have no fucking clue

unless they scammed the clip

[forest dome]

suske

totally e0

[dense elbow]

i just dont see it as possible

but like

my guess is they recorded the fkn gear first then did the run

i couldnt load the clip coz of my shit internet

😭

[forest dome]

its ok internet not doing well in sea too

[kind turtle]

i'm at 15* rn with just encore

[blissful tulip]

19*, won't be able to get 21 any time soon until I optimize my Yinlin and Chixia build

[forest dome]

just hope jinhsi can help me 24 or smth

[lament shuttle]

What will help the most is being lvl 80 lol

[forest dome]

prob

would love to pull yinlin sig for encore rn but eh

ima wait more

[neat robin]

Got to 19* now, happy enough with it with only lv70 dps

[lament shuttle]

I’m either shit at calchero or the guy is god

[olive osprey]

After backscrolling a bit, im not sure if i'll pull jinhsi anymore

[lament shuttle]

Cuz I feel like he’s so clunky on the right side heron at least

[olive osprey]

[dense elbow]

my guess is scam

[forest dome]

still really want jinhsi

[dense elbow]

coz iwtl has 30 stars but whale shit

[lament shuttle]

Did he hit it before c6r5 yinlin

[forest dome]

cant really go 2 patches without pulling esp at launch

[dense elbow]

pretty sure he said he thinks he can do it with s4 yinlin???

id have to ask

[olive osprey]

True.. Pain, maybe i should pull yinlin? Kek

Or jiyan

[forest dome]

jiyan gonege in asia server

so not my option anymore

[olive osprey]

.........

Wtf hes alrdy gone

[lament shuttle]

Im prob just gonna go for weapons if anything in 1.1

And hope 1.2 has some nice stuff

[forest dome]

hope for buffs

[olive osprey]

Copium

Did they buff or nerf yinlij

[forest dome]

idk maybe leifa know smth

[lament shuttle]

Idt she got changes but calchero did

[olive osprey]

Man i rly want tovpull jinhsi the rock but im a metalsave at heart

Calcharo and every 5* got nerfed iirc

[neat robin]

Yinlin outro only lasts til the next char leaves field
So cal cant ult swap off & back anymore to keep her buff

[olive osprey]

Oh right they nerfed that

I guess theres a bit of hopium

[dense elbow]

changlis weapon looking kinda 💀

[dense elbow]

she had some annoying changes

[lament shuttle]

If they’re bad I don’t need them anyway

[dense elbow]

her skill for example has 2 parts to it but the 2nd part goes away if you swap for some fucking reason

besides that shes still very gud

[olive osprey]

Wtf is kuro doing

[dense elbow]

trying to fuck over the main interesting part of their combat?

whilst releasing chars that have direct antisynergy with the rest of the roster?

thanks jinhsi and changli

well antisynergy is the wrong word but they have like no good teams rn

[olive osprey]

Sigh, time to wait for Azur Promillia.

[lament shuttle]

What if it’s mistranslated again

You know like the event with 90 vs 140k pts lol

[neat robin]

I’m not too upset tbh. Literally still 1.0

[dense elbow]

theres a difference between mistranslated and straight up a different ability

[olive osprey]

Theres an actual non zero chance im skipping Jinhsi the rock now wtf

[neat robin]

If the chars rn only worked with each other we’d still complain new chars later ‘dont work’ with 1.0 supports

[dense elbow]

also ive read thru jinhsi in CN, the stuff that restricts her teambuilding is the same exact wording in CN

and changli the changes are direct numbers so thats universal lol

cant mistranslate the number used by the game

[dense elbow]

not rly

[blissful tulip]

Likely will save up for 1.2 , or until I next return to Waves

[dense elbow]

changli is just out for the wolves rn lmfao

[blissful tulip]

I'm honestly thankful Waves migrated 1.1 earlier

I have more time to finish it in a week

[dense elbow]

if she just fit with our current fusion chars she'd fit with most to come too

coz her main value is the amplify rn xD

[forest dome]

pls save 1.1 units ong...

or else saving til 1.2

prob hitting 350 pulls by then

[blissful tulip]

Do we know how many pulls we'll be getting first half?

[dense elbow]

no clue idt

we dont know when what events are

so

[blissful tulip]

Fair enough

[dense elbow]

its just 93 total or smth like that

[neat robin]

I need ~60-65 more pulls to guarantee jinhsi if I had to hard pity her

[forest dome]

kinda guaranteed for e0s1 but hopefully early n win

[neat robin]

Sorta covered by every element except spectro rn
And glacio since I dont plan on building lingyang

But Ive barely even started to work on hrover /danjin echos

[forest dome]

well thats good then just havoc n fusion rn

[blissful tulip]

Think I'll invest in about 5 elements right now, with a main carry for each

Don't think they'll be releasing dual resistant enemies until 2.0+

[sterile swallow]

Anyone read Jinhsi kit in detail? For incandescence at 40 stacks and talent Lv10. That's 26.84% x 40 added on top of Star Glamour damage right? 👀

[ruby rune]

UL 40 next week

too lazy to quest/or use my cubes

[sterile swallow]

That's fine. They should be increasing the rewards of tacet fields on 1.1, more rewarding drops later down the road

[rotund drum]

mono spectro should be fine for midhsi for now i think

the only thing she potentially misses out on is getting stacks from verina ult while doing her own rotation

which should only be 3-4 stacks i think

[night mantle]

||she sounds like arlecchino right ?https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1dex6wp/ww_11_beta_changlis_voice_in_en_jp_and_cn_via/||

[hollow gorge]

is there any table with domain drops amounts per Sol phase?

[night mantle]

I guess for weekly boss its 1-2 for lvl4 and 2-3 for lvl 5

[neat robin]

I thought rank 4 is always 2
Rank 5 is 2-3

[knotty fiber]

Jean

[rotund drum]

shes taokaka and kotori too iirc

[neat robin]

Jiyan is done idc (+5.6 cr more from later ascension)
er aero x2atk
x2aero x2atk

[edgy cobalt]

I would personally rock the second build

if you're smooth with your rotations and everything really

[neat robin]

I need to write down who does waht kind of dmg
Jiyan heavy > skill
Cal liberation
Yinlin skill

Hrover mainly lib & skill..?
And encore basic ?

[edgy cobalt]

just chase for crit lol

[neat robin]

Too broke for that now

I finally got rid of my double def electro heron

[hollow gorge]

nah +30 ER is better than +30 DMG

it depends on how fast you gain your concerto on Mort

if you are slow, then DMG is better, cause you get more ER particles

[neat robin]

Yeah I’m keeping er for now
Just way easier to do rot
Havent retried tower with the new pieces today

[boreal oasis]

I feel like srover yinlin/sanhua jinhsi might be the play tbh

Just to free up Verina

Bc the other sustain options in this game r so awful

[neat robin]

Doesnt she want rainbow

[fickle kernel]

wait why do we want more spectro with jinhsi what did i miss

[sterile swallow]

If you want rainbow. Jinhsi/Yinlin/Baizhi

[rotund drum]

midwu is probably ideal if you really care about stack gain and want to field midhsi

otherwise it doesnt really matter that much

sustain + field dps + midhsi works

[sterile swallow]

Otherwise Jinhsi/Sanhua/s4-s6 srover works just fine

Rover can be the team's healer and equip the healer set. Free Verina for someone else

Sanhua is on banner too so may luck out on her sequences

[rotund drum]

that sounds like a waste of rsc for cope healing

just use jianxin if you need a second healer

[sterile swallow]

Considering srover has 10% spectro shred locked behind s6, it's not cope at all

Jianxin would be better in AoE situations though

[rotund drum]

20% attack is very low healing

jianxin heals like 60% and its barely even noticeable

[sterile swallow]

I wonder if they will decide to gatekeep srover's s6

It is low healing, but just dodge

Some healing is better than no healing in tower. Healing won't save you in holograms that's for sure

[rotund drum]

e6 jianxin actually looks pretty good tbh

[sterile swallow]

I would hope so considering she's a 5* character

[rotund drum]

shouldnt be too bad considering you can buy 5* eidolons

only need 3 dupes

[dense elbow]

You dont for someone like spectro rover, but verina and lack of supports makes her too good to use

Sanhua players also cant use baizhi together so thats a rip

Not having yinlin rn for her hurts as well

She rly just doesnt have a team

Went into things quite in depth earlier today

[sterile swallow]

So sad she doesn't have a designated team yet. Maybe that will change in the future

[dense elbow]

Idk a lot of the current chars dont have coherent teams either

And they arent helping with that xD

Just releasing whatever the fuck and rolling with it

[sterile swallow]

Anyway I'm coping with Jinhsi/Sanhua/flex for now

[dense elbow]

Only ones who rly do are jiyan + mortefi 😔

[neat robin]

I’ll go jinhsi yinlin baizhi or somethin

[dense elbow]

Calcharo yinlin wouldve been ideal in cbt2 but they gutted a lot of synergy

Still work great together but

Not as well as they used to

[edgy cobalt]

can’t wait till they release verina 2

[dense elbow]

This is how they make you pull for more 5 stars down the road lol

Release a bunch of random shit now for chars ppl like

Then spam the gud shit

[boreal oasis]

Yeah 1.2 scares me a bit

Or whenever they decide to drop an actual support tbh

1.1 is interesting and jinhsi seems good but idk rn it feels like 2 dps who r good but not game changing which is like idk for account progression

[dense elbow]

Well 1 is choosing to compete with a current great dps rather than compliment which is hillarious

[boreal oasis]

Doesn’t rly matter as long as u can proc rejuv tbh

[dense elbow]

Whilst having no teammates

And the other fills a role we dont have but again has no teammates

[boreal oasis]

Jinhsi has good potential to me

Teammates suck and she’s a quickswap nuker

[dense elbow]

1.2 if it is scar camellya we have no idea on scar kit and camellya is just damage on damage

[boreal oasis]

Scar support scares me

Camellya hrover will be fun if she’s havoc yinlin

[dense elbow]

Just funny that by friends numbers rn shes doing worse than jiyan, the guy with shit tons of aoe and built in grouping and stagger resist on top 😭

[boreal oasis]

Or even camellya dj

[oak copper]

not even sure what to expect of a "Support" when units like Yinlin and Changli get Amplifies

[boreal oasis]

Sure but quickswap big aoe and nuking is decent

Considering difference in teammate synergy too

[dense elbow]

Whilst she flies so she cant summon echoes freely, will get knocked easily, requires a rainbow team for incandescence

[boreal oasis]

I think it’s fine

[dense elbow]

That nuke takes a long time to stack up

Then when shes on the field

Shes not swapping at all

You do her combo for quite a bit

[boreal oasis]

How long is quite a bit

[dense elbow]

Then go back to swapping between ur other chars for stacks

We dont have frames but not quickly

1 sec lemme grab the rot ppl were looking at

[boreal oasis]

Verina 2

Just buffs that last through swaps r enough honestly

[dense elbow]

1st half: intro, Ult, Echo, skill, forte skill, forte n4, Illuminous,
2nd half: Outro, intro, skill, forte skill, forte n4, Illuminous, Outro

Inbetween 1st and 2nd half of the rots is where to build up incandesence stacks

[oak copper]

yeah, but are they just gonna release limited Verina with a 30% Team Amplify? Or are they actually gonna release units that have really strong Buffs in their regular kit?

[rotund drum]

maybe as a 5*

[boreal oasis]

Idk the 3rd slot is such a waste rn it wld feel weird to do the latter but who knows

[rotund drum]

i think they're afraid of another bennettgate

[dense elbow]

Probably like 10% all type amp then 15% specific amp for all teammates if they follow the trend of our currenr single amplifiers

[dense elbow]

Yeah it is very shit lol

[oak copper]

atleast its not creating a lot of confidence that we dont have a single dedicated Buffing Support on release. So they may not really want to go that route for now

[boreal oasis]

This doesn’t seem terrible? Like this is just yinlin x2 without swap cancels no?

[dense elbow]

Well if you arent swap cancelling often i wouldnt call myself a quickswap nuker

[oak copper]

This aswell. I have thought a few times that the game may be better if it was just doing 2 units Teams, the third feels almost always out of place. Sure Verina is strong but even she feels like the odd one out in your rotation

[boreal oasis]

Does she need to stay onfield for her stuff

[dense elbow]

Also doesnt account for how long you take to build stacks

[dense elbow]

Even if she is found to have some nice cancels, she fucking flies lmao. Meaning any swap you do needs to be followed by a plunge, adding extra rotation time to chars that just wanna rip a skill and leave

[boreal oasis]

Like intro ult echo should be a sizeable nuke no?

[boreal oasis]

Oh that’s fair that’s rlly annoying

[dense elbow]

If she ends up like lingyang

You really really dont wanna swap off her when shes flying

Lmfao

[oak copper]

just play her with Jiyan

[dense elbow]

So she gets 0 field time got it 🔥

[oak copper]

we skip the Raiden part and go Xiao Eula Dual Carry

[rotund drum]

i was actually thinking that instead of bennettgate we should call it benghazi

[dense elbow]

Energy deficiency impact holy

[oak copper]

luckily thats not how that goes in WuWa

[dense elbow]

Yeah lol

Speaking of energy

I need to go testing and counting forte on pretty much all chars at some point

💀

We have the data for most chars that generate forte on hit

[boreal oasis]

https://youtu.be/9YXqmVUrGrA?si=fCFl4VhBXYpQrRph

Also did u guys see this

[dense elbow]

But some and especially others which are on cast arent in damage data

[boreal oasis]

Encore seems to be destroying shit rn

[dense elbow]

So i need to test it in game coz apparently the internal handling of those is cancer

[oak copper]

Encore practically got a limited Sig over any other standard 5* rn

[dense elbow]

Hillarious how they wanna relewse changli now as her own dmg dealer whilst encore doing this shit lol

[boreal oasis]

Yeah that’s true

[boreal oasis]

Honestly the 1.1 kit designs just seem rly strange

[oak copper]

while still giving her an Amplify that nobody can use if Changli is supposed to be a Hyper

[boreal oasis]

Relative to what we need roster wise

[dense elbow]

Yeah

Like at least yinlins amp made sense for her design

Since she wants to fuck off a lot

[boreal oasis]

Like the kits don’t seem awful but like

Nobody asked for them

[dense elbow]

Made more sense in cbt2 but yknow, diesofcringe changes

Changli just has it coz why tf not lol

[oak copper]

There are definitely very conflicting designs at work

[dense elbow]

Whilst it for some reason is 4s shorter than yinlins

Despite being the same buff values

[boreal oasis]

Maybe they’ll get big changes tho

[dense elbow]

That 4s loss stops it working well with encore funny enuf xD

[dense elbow]

We've had a total of 1 noticable beta change

Updating changlis outro to 10s internally from 14s xD

Kuro dont do strict schedules they just update whenever lmfao

[boreal oasis]

When was that update

[oak copper]

idek how much time they have to iterate on Beta with it being moved up a week and all the other stuff they have to sort out

[boreal oasis]

Oh right

[boreal oasis]

Yhhh

[dense elbow]

A few days ago now?

Probably longer

[dense elbow]

Yeah definitely didnt help

Altho youd expect 1.1 chars to just be 1.0 chars pushed back a few weeks

Any decisions wouldve been made prior anyways

[oak copper]

the issue is, if 1.1 units suck its not gonna help the game either. They kinda have to hit a sweet spot where they feel really strong but do not invalidate the current roster with how small it is

[dense elbow]

Good luck not making encore or changli look useless by releasing a fire main dps this early lol

[boreal oasis]

Tbf we do have 3 teams rn but like

[dense elbow]

One will end up outshining the other and tbh i dont think itll be changli xD

[oak copper]

Clashing with Encore in particular just seems really unwise because she got a Sig by courtesy of Yinlin, is really flexible and doesn't have a tailormade Support. So outside of whale power they just can't go against Encore unless they immediately go for significant powercreep

[dense elbow]

Yup

Whilst encore is very flexible too

Has a lot of potential for both general field hog stuff and more quickswap oriented

Altho ive been enjoying her and yinlin quite a lot

[oak copper]

If Cal keeps disappointing me thats gonna be what I will do

[dense elbow]

Cal skill gap is just

Stupid compared to other chars

Make the damage almost not feel worth it when you look at braindead encore or jiyan

😭

[oak copper]

him being hard to play is one thing but I also didnt get the impression he pays it off properly

[dense elbow]

Mhm that's the issue

[oak copper]

I just accepted that my Jiyan is on his own level rn, but even among the others Cal doesnt stand out that much

[rotund drum]

they'll probably nerf or creep encore pretty soon anyway

[dense elbow]

High skill ceiling and isnt gapping chars like encore noticably at all to boot

[rotund drum]

iirc it took the DSIMPS a while to get over it but hutao had already crept diluc by 1.2

[dense elbow]

Well if changli isnt doing it then shes DoA lol

[dense elbow]

And yeah jiyan is just

Way too stupid rn

[boreal oasis]

The team feels great

Only annoying thing is u can’t share stringmaster

[dense elbow]

Highest damage by a noticable amount
Strong aoe
Interrupt res
Built in grouping
Basically a perfect teammate with mortefi

Who designed this mf

[oak copper]

I hit 30 and could immediately do 90 Mephis, I didn't get stars but I could just do it with a scuffed rot and a minute left

[boreal oasis]

Is he highest dmg on paper?

[dense elbow]

Yeah good thing i have 2 jinzhou keepers and no string master 😔

[boreal oasis]

I do think he’s absurd in practice

[dense elbow]

Currently yea and id say he ended up performing even better in practice xD

[boreal oasis]

Grouping is too valuable in this game

[rotund drum]

hes good if he can get the ER subs

and the sig

[boreal oasis]

I saw calcs flying around claiming otherwise but like idk how sheets r done in this game so

[dense elbow]

Yeah the ER hurts

[rotund drum]

otherwise he's kinda mid

he's like xiao

[boreal oasis]

Definitely could have been bullshit

[dense elbow]

Sig being a big increase is nothing unusual though

Unless youre changli

[rotund drum]

except xiao scaled with PJWS i guess

[dense elbow]

Whos sig looks mid ad fuck

[boreal oasis]

My yinlin encore team feels fairly comparable to my jy team rn

[oak copper]

Thing with Diluc is that he was never really all that great to begin with. HZe was massively overhyped. In order to have a Diluc -> HT situation with Encore who is legitimately great rn we would have to see a pretty massive increase in DPS power very soon

[boreal oasis]

But I have yinlin sig and jy is on lr

[rotund drum]

he was fine in 1.0

[dense elbow]

Yeah the 4 stars in general just get gapped by 5 stars noticably

[rotund drum]

xiangling was bad too cause she needs e4 iirc

[boreal oasis]

My main issue w jiyan (which he more than compensates for w damage) is sometimes his rotations feel a little stiff

[rotund drum]

or whichever it was that buffed her tornado duration

plus e2 bennett and e6 xingqiu

[boreal oasis]

Warmup rotation kinda sucks

[oak copper]

He is a fairly conventional Hyper, yeah

[dense elbow]

That's my main issue with him and why i didnt want him, his animations are way too long for me and i cant rly see shit when theyre going on so in actual aoe scenarios if an enemy is stagger resistant they will hit you quite easily

[boreal oasis]

U get his energy to start the chamber but no fucking concerto

[edgy cobalt]

gotta build er on him after all

[boreal oasis]

Er isn’t an issue for me and ultimately his uptime is good

It’s just the team feels kinda slow to rotate thru without Verina

[oak copper]

I have less issues with ER on Jiyan and more with getting Concerto quick on his Supports

[boreal oasis]

It’s fine with Verina tho

Yes

Mortefi takes 5 yrs

To do his thing

Meanwhile yinlin encore can pop off from the start

[edgy cobalt]

I do agree mortefi concerto takes forever

[dense elbow]

Yeah mortefi REALLY needs that energy but you can accelerate to his B4 for shit tons of concerto which is great

B4 just gives so much concerto for the time taken

[edgy cobalt]

might be it then

I keep spamming quick swaps lmao

[boreal oasis]

Oh I didn’t realise b4 was so big

That’s useful to know

[edgy cobalt]

word

[dense elbow]

Yeah if you intro to him he starts his string at B4

Thats what the accelerate stuff is

[boreal oasis]

Tbh the problem is

Baizhi

Bc I need Verina for other teams

[dense elbow]

Ok baizhis beyond saving shes incredibly shit to use lol

[boreal oasis]

Sustains just fucking SUCK

[oak copper]

I rather play with no healer than anyone not named Verina

[edgy cobalt]

maybe I should use my selector on jianxin

[boreal oasis]

Yeah…

I almost regret using it encore over jianxin

And that’s saying a lot bc encore is rly good

[edgy cobalt]

I still have my 2 selectors cuz I don’t feel the need to pull anyone

[rotund drum]

oh yeah jiyan's outro is super bad too lol

why does it need heavy attacks to trigger

[dense elbow]

Tbh i have jianxin and would not replace her for my encore any day lol

[rotund drum]

when literally every other damage outro is just free damage

[oak copper]

I was a bit sad about missing Jianxin but I think I'm over it

[boreal oasis]

Yeah I’m still happy w encore

[oak copper]

atleast rn the problem for progressing isnt gonna be grouping

[dense elbow]

I have all except cal on my main but eh

[rotund drum]

cant you just get her from selector

[edgy cobalt]

I can get cal and jianxin and just miss out on lingyang

[boreal oasis]

I feel like if no encore u can cope w other dps options

Jianxin u cope with like

Yangyang??

Idk

[oak copper]

YangYang doesnt feel too bad tbh

[dense elbow]

Yangyang is like

Fine for jiyan

[oak copper]

I'm fine with her

[boreal oasis]

Maybe I’ll try her out then

[edgy cobalt]

maybe I should use my selectors on s3 verina, she’s s1

[boreal oasis]

My jiyan has like 140 er tho

[dense elbow]

But you can also just not use anyone in that last slot on another char

Some runs ive seen done quicker solo than a full team xD

[boreal oasis]

Yeah

[oak copper]

I've been contemplating building a nuke bot for a random third slot

[rotund drum]

i think people wouldnt mind lion fuccboi so much if he wasnt a fuccboi

[boreal oasis]

Maybe the play is just to duo and have sustains as a panic button

[dense elbow]

Theres that but he also just feels

[rotund drum]

calcharo isnt that good enough but people will simp for him anyway since he's hot

[dense elbow]

So shit lol

[rotund drum]

fuccboi is actually better overall imo since he can use lampylumen and has a better ult

[boreal oasis]

Who do we have for that, just hrover basically?

[rotund drum]

if he looked like randy savage and was voiced by patric zimmerman people would probably go for him

[dense elbow]

Sorry to ask but this has to be a joke right?

😭

[edgy cobalt]

he’s a pro joker

building dps verina real

[rotund drum]

i did build dps verina btw

it works pretty well

[dense elbow]

I need a sanity check rq

[rotund drum]

i can give the echoes to jinhsi later

[dense elbow]

But yeah glacio set is kinda ass

[rotund drum]

her air combo does a lot while healing and aix does really gross damage for how fast it is

[oak copper]

Rover or maybe even Sanhua, iirc she had very quick Concerto rots, so you can do her combo, drop and Echo and move on

[dense elbow]

To the point lingyang prefers 5pc atk and mech abom lol

Glacio set just has no good echoes

[keen jackal]

61 pity on stringmaster

i have to grind exploration

[dense elbow]

And lampylumen cant be cancelled whilst having a significantly long animation

[keen jackal]

eughhh

why cant i spend money to solve my probölems

[boreal oasis]

I still can’t bring myself to hate srover sustain for jinhsi

[dense elbow]

In my echoes guide the only reason its mentioned is coz glacio set has nothing else xD

[boreal oasis]

No stack gen is rough but

[dense elbow]

But i wouldnt recommend anyone go for glacio set

[cobalt apex]

glacio set

[boreal oasis]

Buffs r pretty easy to get

[neat robin]

Mech instead?

[dense elbow]

Yeah

[rotund drum]

well fuccboi has a good outro i guess

[dense elbow]

5pc lingering is decent then mech abom makes it very good

[neat robin]

Does anyone other than mort and sanhua use the moon set?

[boreal oasis]

If u just don’t bother w outro u can drop EQ for ur buffs and dip

[dense elbow]

ALOT of chars

[rotund drum]

he charges his outro really fast too

[dense elbow]

Basically any 2nd slot char can use clouds + heron

[boreal oasis]

Tbf the outro is not bad actually

[dense elbow]

Just someone like sanhua is an ideal user for it coz she concertos so fast

[boreal oasis]

Jinhsi prob appreciates the slow

[neat robin]

Ah. Ive prob just picked 2 teams that double sets… 2 electro / 2 havoc lol

[dense elbow]

You want srovers ult ideally for rejuv set tho if ur rly using them

[boreal oasis]

Yeah Q is ult

[dense elbow]

Oh

[boreal oasis]

For me

[cobalt apex]

same

[dense elbow]

Q is echo ingame by default

Got confused

[boreal oasis]

Yeah I’m still on genshin lingo

My fault

[sterile swallow]

^^^

[cobalt apex]

i cant be bothered for the keybinds to mixed up with genshin

[dense elbow]

[cobalt apex]

rip muscle memory

[dense elbow]

That's why im not changing binds tbh

[sterile swallow]

Me too. I put echo on R because I was too used to burst being on Q in Genshin

[boreal oasis]

Like tbh idk who else u wld want to sustain the jinhsi team

If not srover

[dense elbow]

Its quite literally just verina rly lol

[boreal oasis]

Yeah

And like

[sterile swallow]

The option just doesn't exist

[boreal oasis]

We don’t have 3 verinas

[dense elbow]

XD

[sterile swallow]

That's the devs fault

[dense elbow]

Baizhi isnt an option if you dont have yinlin coz ur forced to use sanhua

[neat robin]

Need a support in 1.2 fr

[cobalt apex]

more supports soon

[dense elbow]

Surely scar is a support lmfao

[boreal oasis]

Is baizhi an option if u do have yinlin

[dense elbow]

?

[boreal oasis]

Sorry

My brain

[dense elbow]

Ah

[boreal oasis]

fried

[dense elbow]

Yeah technically

Coz shes not glacio

[boreal oasis]

Is her outro actually worth the time tho

[dense elbow]

So you can swap between yinlin baizhi often

[dense elbow]

1. Yes it is its budget verina
2. Its not about that its that you need to build up jinhsi stacks

[sterile swallow]

You can also solve all your problems by pulling s2 Jinhsi, but that means 🐳 or luck

[dense elbow]

With sanhua baizhi you cant swap between for 2 stacks

Coz theyre both glacio

[boreal oasis]

Ah right

[dense elbow]

I addressed this earlier its actually a pretty shit con lol

[cobalt apex]

s2 jinhsi

[sterile swallow]

Jinhsi/Yinlin/Mortefi - who needs sustains

[dense elbow]

"out of battle" quite literally means not in combat, it doesnt just mean swap out

[sterile swallow]

Wait that's hella bad

They need to rephrase that

[dense elbow]

So its a frontloaded nuke for 1st rot then does nothing

[cobalt apex]

cons of all time

[boreal oasis]

So basically baizhi ft is less of an issue for jinhsi bc her passive rewards support ft a little more

[oak copper]

speedrunner Cons, just gotta wait half a year for funny screenshots, surely worth

[boreal oasis]

I couldn’t be bothered to read her stacking passive bc it was word salad and unclear last I heard

[sterile swallow]

No that's a bad con. Needs to be deleted and replaced with something else

[dense elbow]

Mhm in the rot i sent earlier its split into two parts, in between those two parts is your quickswap phase where you swap between ur 2 other teammates for jinhsi stacks, then you go to jinhsis stuff and stick on her shit till you nuke, then outro and start the stacking again lol

[boreal oasis]

Ah ok

Ig that’s handy then ig

Unbricking baizhi

[cobalt apex]

everything kuro wrote is word salad tbh

[dense elbow]

Its 1 line basically. When you attack with an element, gain a stack. Different elements can make a stack each in a 3s window so you want more elements. Jinhsi outro reduces that to 1s. Max stacks is 40

[boreal oasis]

Yeah I wasn’t sure if it was whether it was just off element in general or each diff element giving stacks separately

[dense elbow]

40 stacks at T10 is an additional 1200% ish MV

[boreal oasis]

Right

[knotty fiber]

Jinhsi is mild compared to PGR

like, really

[sterile swallow]

Can Jinhsi still gain stacks from other characters while on field? Or it has to be when she is strictly off field

[dense elbow]

Should be able to get them whilst shes onfield

But lime

That's basically just mortefi lol

And you cant let the nuke rip till it stacks up either

[sterile swallow]

Not many notable off-field abilities in the game yet. Just Mortefi, Yinlin, Yuanwu

[dense elbow]

So ideally you have someone like yinlin

To quickswap between ur healer to keep up damage

Whilst spamming stacks

And shes not spamming skill or heavy so

Halves ur mortefi counts

[sterile swallow]

Mortefi is already married to Jiyan anyway. Rip Jinhsi. Forever alone

[knotty fiber]

at least she has Yinlin cuz Goku Yinlin is not omega broken anymore

[cobalt apex]

limited 5* electro replacing goku soon anyways

[knotty fiber]

nah

ERover

[sterile swallow]

I am not a Yinlin haver, maybe I'll use midwu with Jinhsi. So sad

[knotty fiber]

we getting ERover next

not sure when

[cobalt apex]

isnt it fusion

[knotty fiber]

but if we go Genshit and HSR route then next year

[sterile swallow]

Oh yay. Hope he has some off field presence

[knotty fiber]

[knotty fiber]

Electro

previously Glacio

but they nuked the Glacio

[cobalt apex]

oh

[knotty fiber]

and changed to Electro

[cobalt apex]

[sterile swallow]

Saving ice element for last, just like Genshin

[dense elbow]

Cant be creeping lingyang that quickly

[burnt shoal]

omg kakarot going to be powercreep?

[rotund drum]

i just realized the midnight rangers are just the ten gods

[fickle kernel]

yeah but someone was talking about mono spectro

[dense elbow]

Straight griefing

[rotund drum]

im not sure why they were talking about mono spectro

i think they mostly just meant verina + JS

[fickle kernel]

.

was literally u

[dense elbow]

📸

[rotund drum]

i was responding to someone else

[fickle kernel]

but why say it's fine

[rotund drum]

this one

its not like good or bad really

people act like using VRN will kill her stack gain or something

but JS is barely gonna be onfield most of the time so you dont really need to worry about having two spectro chars hitting at the same time that often

worst case you lose like 50% damage on your nuke

[dense elbow]

Just verina is fine coz verina is good enuf

Mono spectro though you half your stack generation

And double the time itd take to max it out

[rotund drum]

JS isn't gonna be onfield most of the time anyway and VRN only generates stacks offfield during ult

just cast VRN ult > second dps > JS

[kind turtle]

sweet

[rotund drum]

her ult might still be active for a few seconds afterwards but it wont really impact your overall damage that much

[dense elbow]

Definitely not how youre gonna rotate her but sure 😭

Negative stacks moment

[dense elbow]

How much stamina did that take

[rotund drum]

how else are you gonna do it

[kind turtle]

i still have 8 solvents

[dense elbow]

When jinhsi takes her field time shes taking it till the nuke

[rotund drum]

VRN buff lasts like a full minute

[dense elbow]

Then once you nuke, you outro and go to swapping between ur other 2 characters frequently to spam stacks quickly to get back to your jinhsi

[rotund drum]

you have plenty of time to do her ult, field dps a bit then swap to JS

JS can only nuke once every 12s anyway

[dense elbow]

Doesnt matter how much dmg verina is doing, just hitting once per swap is good enuf for the stack

[dense elbow]

Exactly why u wanna get stacks up as quick as possible

[rotund drum]

so yeah VRN being spectro isnt any kind of issue

since you're not attacking with JS during her ult anyway

[dense elbow]

I mean you phrased it like you just setup verina and fuck off

[rotund drum]

you could try mashing swap with all 3 i guess but lol

[dense elbow]

Which is not what youre gonna do lol

You spam swap between two

[rotund drum]

depends on which two you wanna use i guess

[dense elbow]

Not rly

[cobalt apex]

[rotund drum]

if its like encore or jiyan on second slot might as well just stay onfield

[dense elbow]

As long as those two are of differing elementa

[kind turtle]

my verina prob hit max a couple days ago

[rotund drum]

you'll do more than just some tiny stack gain

[dense elbow]

You need to spam those stacks lol

[kind turtle]

but i got encore later 😔

[cobalt apex]

i also maxed danjin i think

nvm

[rotund drum]

she gets like +20% per stack at max level lol

[dense elbow]

Idk y tf ur putting jinhsi in an encore or jiyan team

[rotund drum]

+20% per second even assuming a perfect swap mash is not worth losing field dps time lol

[dense elbow]

28% mv per stack is quite big

And its not per second

Its per element per second

So if you get 3 elemental hits off

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well VRN is only one element

[dense elbow]

Thats 3 stacks

Echoes like heron exist with multihits that last a long time
2nd char exists
3rd char exists

[rotund drum]

well VRN has a coordinated attack so she can still build stacks even offfield

but putting that aside

[dense elbow]

Not frequently

[rotund drum]

anyone else would be whoever > JY > JY attacks for a bit > JS nukes

or whoever > mash swaps with JY > neither deals any damage > JS does an extra 100% damage with her nuke

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a waste of a slot to me

[rotund drum]

if your JY can't do 100% MV over 5 seconds you probably shouldnt be using him anyway

[dense elbow]

Jiyan + mortefi takes enough field time on their own

Slapping jinhsi in there sounds like a complete waste lmfao

[rotund drum]

JY + mortefi works but no sustain

[dense elbow]

You have a 3rd slot huh???

😭

You arent replacing any 3 of those chars with jinhsi

[rotund drum]

right the JY MTF JS sustain comp

[dense elbow]

Thats a massive int

[rotund drum]

the secret 4-char comp

[dense elbow]

Idek what ur point is anymore lol

[rotund drum]

maybe you could meme with the 1-cost echo that heals

on mortefi

[dense elbow]

Coz as far as i can see ur trying to put jinhsi into a team with 3 solidified slots of jiyan mortefi and a healer