・wuwa-lounge

[blissful tulip]

Bought welkin day 1 here, not sure about BP until I'm sure regarding whether I stick with the game long term

BP's always high value early on, though

[small bronze]

i will only play genshin when i have nothing to do in this game i love it

[neat robin]

Wuwa bp goves you a weapon AND a thing to refine it once

[small bronze]

wait whot

[kind turtle]

I think I'm gonna f2p with wuwa, kuro mega fucked up at launch and I can't afford dolphin for 3 games

[blissful tulip]

Keep on loving it, Kuro will continue cooking a 3 Michelin star meal

[blissful tulip]

Oh? Neat

[small bronze]

i dont even know how kuro fucked up at launch cause it worked perfect for me

im just getting the free wishes

[neat robin]

Waitt no its the upgraded bp
But you basically get a refine for $5?10? Extra

Plus the other upgraded pass stuff

[blissful tulip]

Many ways, but those bothered by it are bearing it or have already quit

Mainly optimization + bugs

[neat robin]

I had to go check I was like I remember this but it felt weird to be only basic bp

[small bronze]

i havent encountered any and i run a good rig so i dont have issues, unless people had issues on that too

[blissful tulip]

Even good rigs and phones had stuttering issues, although the 8 hotfixes have managed to ease the issue

[small bronze]

but i cant run it on my phone though

it crashes to dekstop

every 10 mins

probably out of ram

or some shit

[blissful tulip]

I'm a phone player , stick with PC

[neat robin]

Anyways yes. This thing from the upgraded BP is a free refine for any BP weapon

[small bronze]

i have a budget phone though

and an expensive pc

[blissful tulip]

I have a low-end device as well, but I wasn't expecting the stuttering to get downright unplayable at points

Thankfully, it's mainly in illusive realm

Stuttering isn't bad enough to the point where I couldn't clear the harder holograms early

[small bronze]

tbh as a big gamer triple As etc i feel bad for people to have to play on lowest on phone like i did

the game looks so pretty on max details on pc

but i only downloaded it to do dailies

in my bed

[blissful tulip]

Part of me wishes they refined it in unity for better optimization, but I understand why they went for UE

[blissful tulip]

Wish Waves was on cloud, I'd be all over that shit

But it isn't , and I doubt it will be for some time

[small bronze]

i will check out the swap cancels cause now im curious

im still waiting to make my main dps yuanwu team will take some time

[neat robin]

Did yall just use the trial chars in the fighting event?

[small bronze]

i didnt touch any trial in both the rougelike and the ore one

or maybe i did with taoqi cause i dont own her

[blissful tulip]

Knowing how the intro one shot works, 50/50

[neat robin]

I’m starting the ore one and just bruteforcing lv80s with jiyan

[small bronze]

i did 80s and i got 8k score on each

of 3

idk if thats bad or not

[sterile swallow]

How many stages are there?

[blissful tulip]

8k's fine, good enough to get max rewards

[blissful tulip]

12 iirc?

[sterile swallow]

Yeah 8k is good

[blissful tulip]

You'll likely get 10k on a few of them due to built characters

[sterile swallow]

The points to get all rewards is 90k

[small bronze]

to get additional i think it goes up to 140k

[sterile swallow]

It's an error

It's actually 90k

[small bronze]

oh i thought im just bad

it seemed unreachable

[sterile swallow]

I was able to get the 100k reward at 70k points

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2024, 11:53 AM

Localization team needs to work harder

[neat robin]

So if I get 10k+ on all the early stages I’ll be fine lol

[small bronze]

how did they mess up to translate 90k into 140k

hire me i can translate numbers

[blissful tulip]

Indie company

Can't blame them too much

[small bronze]

i won 50/50 on clorinde but i cant even be bothered to play genshin at this point

[cobalt cobalt]

It’s not the first time they have had a game translated to other languages

Can blame them a reasonable amount

[sterile swallow]

I heard Clorinde is underwhelming compared to the big DPS like Neuvillette/Arlecchino/Alhaitham

[blissful tulip]

She is, but that is a high bar
Quite good otherwise

[small bronze]

i got c1 alhaitham and his sig i could vouch if i would build clorinde

[sterile swallow]

But it is hard to play genshin after playing WWs. No stamina use when sprinting in Genshin pls

[blissful tulip]

As much as I love Genshin it does take time to adjust to its more stiff movement

After having played Waves for some time

[sterile swallow]

No grapple is the big one. I always use it

[small bronze]

imo its the sprint

with stamina

[blissful tulip]

Hopefully Waves has a good variety of events, PGR did struggle with those

Don't care if it's minigame or combat based

But more combat would be nice

[small bronze]

tbh i already love how they change up the perspective

i loved the 2d parts

i want more

gave me ori vibes

[blissful tulip]

It's a shame it's only used twice

[sterile swallow]

The first event with the jumping/parkour was fun. And I like the hit the cube puzzles

[blissful tulip]

They were fun

[sterile swallow]

Lots of potential

[small bronze]

also the top look from the cube quest too

in tigers maw

[blissful tulip]

Some of the world quests would translate to small events very nicely

[small bronze]

the only thing i struggle with is the luxury of having everything farmed out and just getting 1 new charcater every some time

and getting it farmed quick

instead of now struggling with every resource

[sterile swallow]

Im low on echo exp, but have a lot of everything else

Don't need to level all characters to 60 or 70, just your main DPS

I completely ignored Verina's/Baizhi talent except the one that buffs

[neat robin]

I just want echo exp

[small bronze]

i didnt even notice how i sank my whole credits into rerolling echos

literally had 0 yesterday

credits

[blissful tulip]

Currently struggling with echo exp as well, but everyone else is built

[small bronze]

you guys have your teams on all 70s? i only got yinlin calcharo and jiyan

[blissful tulip]

Not my supports, damage dealers only
Chixia, HRover, Yinlin and Calcharo

[sterile swallow]

Calcharo and Jiyan are 70

Everyone else is somewhere between 40-60

Or Lv1 if I don't use them

We do have the 2x event going on if you need more credits

[small bronze]

yea i just did it today

they gave like a mil in mail

thats why i was surprised

[coral pond]

Genshin: already did european and chinese regions, been out for 4 years, have a literal dragon man as a character
not a single draconic skillset in game
Wuwa: here take 3 dragons

[knotty fiber]

[neat robin]

Damn

Also

The purple triangle shop (calamity currency) is the one that doesnt reset right

[small bronze]

bro is eating ice soup for next month

[knotty fiber]

wym

[small bronze]

didnt u whale

[knotty fiber]

no

lol

I don't even have Yinlin

S0R1 Jiyan S2R1 Rover and Verina

brute force everything

[small bronze]

i guess im at lvl 0 rover and i heard havoc is strong

[knotty fiber]

also the latest 3 stages are just very easy

even easier if you have Rover Danjin comp

but I don't have Danjin built

[neat robin]

How do yall get atk

I’m like. 1.2k atk (not 5* weapon though)

I have no echo exp for my hrover danjin 😔 r6 danjin, unused cuz lv0 echos

[small bronze]

depends if u run 4 3 3 or 4 4 1 1 1

the latter i bound to have more atk

doesent mean u deal less dmg if u got elemental dmg on the 3s

[edgy cobalt]

or instead of elemental% they have atk% on their 3cost

or have verina buff atk or food buffs then check your stat screen

[neat robin]

Mm true

Just the difference between 4 and 5* weapon is crazy too

[edgy cobalt]

can't wait till I go from 3* broadblade into the 5* standard

[neat robin]

At lv60 when I checked, my jiyan had 200 less atk just from 4* blade instead of sig

Prob would be larger difference at higher level?

[upper flare]

uh guys i claimed the impernance heron from the event but i cant find it

shit it was just a phantom

i thought i actually got a 5 star echo

[sterile swallow]

Yeah you just unlock the shiny version

[kind turtle]

idk if these are placeholder 4*s, but from Mero

[sterile swallow]

Hopefully it's true. Jinhsi's banner is busted with Danjin/Yangyang/Sanhua

[knotty fiber]

yea I mean
when you ascend to new phase you can also upgrade your weapon

and 5* base is always higher than 4* base

[neat robin]

Yeah more like idk if a lv80 build with 4* vs 5* would be.. 300 atk different, 400, 500?

[knotty fiber]

depends on the atk% you have

max lv90 btw

taking Autumntrace as an example

it would be 175 base atk difference between sig and Autumntrace

if you have 100% atk bonus on both sides then it's gonna be 350 atk diff

[rotund drum]

hopefully they add a jinhsitrace so i dont have to spend money

i dont really want to spend a lot of money on a game that will EoS in a few months

[neat robin]

Dont you ever get tired of doomposting

Istg every time I see you its always something negative

[rotund drum]

i'd rather doompost than cope

[neat robin]

Nah. Blocked honestly I’m tired of seeing it

[rotund drum]

lol ok

[edgy cobalt]

throwback to you doomposting that hsr will eos in the beginning

cycle continues

[fickle kernel]

we buying all of these?

[restive pivot]

i did lmao

[kind turtle]

same

[fickle kernel]

the way i said im not gonna grind echoes until 1.1 echo changes but i cant stop myself

fkn game

[kind turtle]

Jinhsi pull anim

Changli pull anim

[barren drift]

jinhsi is so mid

[quasi sable]

Lmao

Jinshi expectation went to 180 after her animation

[fickle kernel]

how tf is jinhsi mid

im love her...

wish this game gave pulls for ascending characters like hoyo games

[quasi sable]

People don't like her moveset

[sterile swallow]

Is it really that bad?
I want to pull just because of the animations

[fickle kernel]

oh i still dunno what her rotation looks like

or how to pilot her

is it bad

[sterile swallow]

But if she's doing worse damage than all the main DPS characters

Yikes

[quasi sable]

Also cuz her attack animations are like kaveh

[fickle kernel]

thats the best part....

claymore saved

[quasi sable]

I mean we're getting a dps and sdps on 1.1 is what they said

But don't know which one

[sterile swallow]

Ikr. Imagine her physically using the sword. She would swing slower

[quasi sable]

But I assume Changli is the dps

[fickle kernel]

doesnt changli seem like the subdps?

thought subdpses having deepen was the trend

[sterile swallow]

I didn't read changli's kit

But if she's a subdps like Yinlin, that will be op. Yinlin still dishes out so much damage during her time on field too

[fickle kernel]

i just want a spectro unit

[kind turtle]

it's not fun to do

[fickle kernel]

resistances in this game too scary

[floral bone]

their kits are both yap fests but are very simple when put into practice

[quasi sable]

Hm?

Oh wait

[quasi sable]

Forgot the typical kuro wall text

[kind turtle]

look at the yap overlord

[sterile swallow]

Ok will not read then. I only read Jinhsi's kit and it's not too bad

[quasi sable]

Forgot from pgr

[fickle kernel]

razor language translation when

[sterile swallow]

Jinhsi having unison sounds lovely and plays with the game's mechanics

Brb reading Changli's kit now

[rotund drum]

gain stack when doing NA combo or skill

gain 4 stacks when doing ult

at 4 stacks do heavy attack for nuke

shes basically generic FADC ultra char

[sterile swallow]

At least Changli's forte circuit description is a lot shorter than Jinhsi's

[quasi sable]

@kind turtle is Changli dps or sub?

[rotund drum]

she actually has basically the same kit as yangyang

[kind turtle]

subDPS

[rotund drum]

midmid

[quasi sable]

Changli is sdps

So ig jinshi is main dps

[rotund drum]

she looks pretty obviously like field dps

but ok

[quasi sable]

Ikr

[rotund drum]

i think you're getting the two mxied up

JS is the quickswap burst char

[kind turtle]

changli has fusion&ult outro, as well as her kit performs relatively quickly

ig its more like dual DPS

than subDPS

[rotund drum]

CL is the field dps who spams NAs

[quasi sable]

So she's like havor Rover?

[rotund drum]

sure

[quasi sable]

Hmmmm

I'm lacked in spectro, glacio and fusion dps

[rotund drum]

glacio has no good dps really

jinhsi didnt save it

despite her having white hair

i guess white hair can also be light though

[kind turtle]

changli's default setup i believe would be
> intro 2(E n1) n5 CA r CA outro >

that lets her do 2 buffed heavies

to get another buffed heavy, you need an extra 4(n5)

[rotund drum]

thats only 2 stacks on the E spams

[kind turtle]

intro is 1 stack
2 E stacks
n4 grants TS, letting the n5 do the 4th stack

[neat robin]

I think I’ll just use 50/50 on jinhsi and then see kits for 1.2

[rotund drum]

thats a really long rotation tbh

thats already field dps length

[kind turtle]

the other option is ignore the intro stack, and just have > intro r CA 2(E n1) >

[floral bone]

changli is weird cuz fusion set moment

if only she could over stack her things and only use 4 per CA

[rotund drum]

i think the idea with changli is that you're supposed to do N4 > charge > plunge > N3 N4 > etc

with E and ult being free instant charges

but E has a really long CD so i wouldnt count on it for a quickswap

her ult costs a lot too so it probably wont be up in time

[sterile swallow]

Both of their ults costing 150

[rotund drum]

JS doesnt need ult to do her nuke rotation at least

CL will just be sad if you arent committed to staying onfield at least for a while

your best bet with her is probably dump E stacks > inferno rider > swap cancel > do your other chars' stuff > field dps with CL

[floral bone]

surely they will let her cheat and her normal swap in makes her start the combo chain at n3

but if im being real shes gonna start at n2 most likely

[sterile swallow]

Guess I'm sticking with pulling Jinhsi. I like how she can use all her abilities in midair

[fickle kernel]

im pulling jinhsi just to share 5* claymore ToT

[sterile swallow]

She can share her sig with Calcharo

[rotund drum]

finally finished building my dps spectro set

i dont even have a guarantee for JS lol

gonna have to cope with dps verina if i dont get her

[neat robin]

How do you dodge this stupid aix ,, grab attack when it pulls you like 100 feet in the air

[rotund drum]

you dont

[floral bone]

try parrying it

[neat robin]

I dont see a ring pop up

[sterile swallow]

Grapple + midair dodge?

[rigid shore]

try finger but hole

[neat robin]

Ive quit the fight 3x now cuz it grabs me even though I try to dodge. And I dont want someone dying and losing their ult energy lol

Can I use ult animation to avoid it?

Yes you can

And instead it launched 3 waves of those stupid feather missles in a row

[kind turtle]

If you don't parry it, it fires 3 feather waves unless it's the duo laser, in which case it's 1 wave

[neat robin]

I didnt even see a parry ring

[floral bone]

it doesnt have one for the grabs

its jank

[neat robin]

It was right after the grab

[floral bone]

but you can parry

[neat robin]

Hit it when its all up in your face?

[kind turtle]

Yeah the grabs have an invisible parry ring, not that I ever tried with encore lmao

The grabs aren't hard to dodge

[neat robin]

I should just go back to the heron
Instead of fighting d4 aix lol

[floral bone]

i honestly just spammed my havoc mc combo and it worked or their intro when the targeting didnt screw me over

[kind turtle]

Then for the feathers you need to back up or they will go unlimited jank works

If you dodge at the peak of the homing curve it's consistent with enough distance from the aix

[floral bone]

got yinlin to 70 and her a4 10% atk after lightning execution vs a marked target doesnt work

jankering waves

[neat robin]

Thats the one after using both skill casts?

[floral bone]

ye

against an enemy with sinners mark

i cant seem to get it to work

also her weapon is 48% atk when off field instead of the assumed 36% when you read it with english translation

[neat robin]

I’ll be getting my yinlin to 70 tomorrow

Ok no I give up

Aix is dumb

[floral bone]

it is annoying

[neat robin]

Gorilla wasnt so bad its a lot easier to predict. But I need to work on cal/yinlin echos cuz I dont put out enough dmg fast enough

[kind turtle]

I'm having a worse time with Mephis 4 then I had with aix

[floral bone]

gorilla gets annoying on diff 6

they add a shitty thing to mess up your muscle memory

[neat robin]

Yeah ive only been able to complete heron on d4 so far 😭

Also. I got him stuck he kept doing flips but then hit the tree again instead of plunging

[edgy cobalt]

condolences for playing on mobile

[neat robin]

No bugs . I cant complain

I’ll try mephis d4 tomorrow ig

And throw my phone after dying to aix another 20 times

[edgy cobalt]

I get no bugs when I tried playing it on my iphone13, but even if it's the recommended phone I had to still run it on low settings

also so used to swap cancelling and everything on laptop that I can't do the same actions as well on phone

[neat robin]

I should really look at fixing mortefis build after I level my electro sets up

But hrover danjin 😔

[edgy cobalt]

kinda wishing I can pull mortefi s6

[neat robin]

Ive been semi-ignoring mort since ik I’m taking the pistol from ul45 reward and I dont wanna bother levelling a 3* pistol in the meantime

[karmic crag]

can you do perspective bender more than once and still get the rewards?

[edgy cobalt]

don't think so

[rotund drum]

wuwa has dlss and is getting framegen

meanwhile genshit still 60fps locked lmao

[keen jackal]

wtf this whole time ive been missing out on free 20% atk% cuz i never lvled up my verinas talents

[night mantle]

this npc said "beyond the sea lies endless freedom"

why does it sounds similar

[cobalt apex]

[keen jackal]

get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head

[rigid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-flashback-meme-leave-me-alone-headache-gif-14699237009798327900

[rigid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-freedom-gif-27685817

[silver escarp]

is there any wuwa discord server from the owners/ppl affiliated with WFP?

[lament shuttle]

what

[small bronze]

good morning

when do we get the 5 wishes for free thing?

5 of each

[blissful tulip]

Start of 1.1 I believe

Like HSR's daily logins

[cobalt apex]

anyone else running out of credit 💀

[small bronze]

literally yesterday i was at 400 credits

[cobalt apex]

yea i agree

[night mantle]

echo upgrades takes so much credits

[blissful tulip]

They will reduce the costs in 1.1, unknown by how much

[cobalt apex]

even forte, chars and weapons leveling are more than enough to drain all the credits

[small bronze]

yinlin drains me more

[karmic crag]

anyone know how to get past the strange researcher

[lilac hare]

I think you have to get the side quest “Free meal”

Or “A free meal” something along these lines

[karmic crag]

ahhh gotcha

tysm

[small bronze]

wait there is synthesis lvl thign too?

just realized

[knotty fiber]

can't relate to these ppl

[keen jackal]

WHY AM I IMMUNE TO CDMG SUBS

it was so perfect for yinlin

[knotty fiber]

it happens

[keen jackal]

its so bad i only have like 1 cdmg sub on my yinlin

[knotty fiber]

I insisted on fixing my HRover's cost 3 and she finally looking good

the only issue left is cost 1 but I spent too much alr

[keen jackal]

my hrover could be fixed a bit but shes already doing great so why bother

my crate is a bit low on rover but itll be fixed once i get the standard sword

[midnight bloom]

that was me yesterday

[keen jackal]

my yinlin rn

ill have to swap to cdmg 4 cost once i get stringmaster and the crit rate talents

thanking the lord kuro rn for base 150 cdmg cuz this would be atrocious at base 50 cdmg

[knotty fiber]

it's actually base 50

same as Genshin and HSR

they just write it like that

in HSR you calculate your dmg by [DMG] x [1+CDMG stat]

here it's just [DMG] x [CDMG stat]

[keen jackal]

its rover for me

[knotty fiber]

It's also not that good for my Encore rn

[lilac hare]

Same. I have the worst luck with encore

[keen jackal]

its fine my cdmg issue will be fixed once i can comfortably swap to cdmg 4 cost

this bp weap has like zero crate

[rigid shore]

wouldn't this mean getting cdmg subs scales worse in wuwa?

[knotty fiber]

no

it's the same calculation

I mean like same value in calculation

it's just the way they show you the base cdmg is different

For example: 150% cdmg in HSR = 250% cdmg in WuWa

here

[rigid shore]

I mean wont u have to roll more stats to get the same value as hsr's

[knotty fiber]

nahhh

it's the same thing

let's say you have no cdmg stat at all

on both games

in HSR is 50%

WW is 150%

you'll deal the same dmg in the same condition

[rigid shore]

what if 51% and 151%?

[knotty fiber]

same

[rigid shore]

oh

i thought 50 cdmg = 150cdmg

Orite make sense now

[knotty fiber]

yea it's just they want to fuck you up

Genshin copy but not faithful

[knotty fiber]

if you bring this stat into HSR it's only 65.7-164.5

[oak copper]

WuWa just shows the total crit damage you do, whereas Genshin and HSR show only additional crit damage.
If you have 200% CD in Genshin/HSR your crits do 3 times the damage, because the base 100% damage aren't included in the Statscreen. WuWa on the other hand those 100% show. So if you had 200% CD in WuWa your crits deal double damage

[rigid shore]

Ohhh

In genshin and hsr its a multiplier without base

Rite?

[oak copper]

It just shows what you crit gain in addition to the non-crit damage.

[rigid shore]

yea

[oak copper]

Genshin basically says: Your Crits do CD% increased damage

WuWa says: Your Crits do CD% damage

[opaque violet]

Is this usable for long term?

[timid sierra]

alloy smelt stage VI where you have increased echo dmg and no echo cooldown after using resonance liberation, using hrover danjin crownless quickswap spam is so funny

[neat robin]

Er main that makes you get ult back in time > electro% and never ulting
Depending on er from other 4 pieces subs

[cobalt apex]

how much er does yinlin want

[neat robin]

I’m still using an er main on jiyan until I somehow find all 5 pieces with cr cdmg er (rn I have no er subs )

[neat robin]

I have 120 er on mine and ult’s not ready yet after both skills & hold

[cobalt apex]

[clear stump]

Her main damage comes from her skill so you want ele% on both 3 echo

[ebon jasper]

materials so scarce I want to max out my chixia

[clear stump]

Echo exp is no where to be seen

[storm ledge]

30-40% (throught substats)

[ebon jasper]

STRONGEST chixia after changli release

[clear stump]

I have so many echo with the right set and main stats but I can check the subs because I have 0 exho exp

[outer jetty]

Wuwa translation team is funny
It is rare but sometime I see formatting code leftover in text and dialogue.
And I just known Alloy Smelt has wrong Total Point rewards translation

[clear stump]

Unless they massively buff tacet field this is looking bad

[clear stump]

Feels like they don't care about en translation

[outer jetty]

Really hope they fix echoes grind in 1.1

[storm ledge]

happens all the time in games (genshin too lmao)

[cobalt apex]

basically everyone has that issue rn

[rotund drum]

kusogames calls it 150% cdmg and midhoyo calls it +50%

same diff

[restive pivot]

is kuro known for hard powercreeping?
this is my 1st kuro game

debating on long term playing this game if my units get irrelevant next patch

[blissful tulip]

Yes, but slowly

In PGR, characters themselves last around 1-3 years

But a character is powercrept every 1-2 patches depending on Kuro's discretion

Fortunately, you will always have enough currency to guarantee the new powercreep

[dusty crown]

judging by how significantly better weapons are compared to genshins (compared to their alternatives), my assumption is yes

[blissful tulip]

Although Changli already looks to be great competition to Encore and Chixia

And with Encore being as strong as she is, it is worrying

[dusty crown]

genshin will remain the exception in that regard (and even then, not counting archons, the powercreep kindof started accelerating with fontaine when you look at arlec/neuvi/navia)

[blissful tulip]

Although powercreep is very much real in Genshin, the difficultycreep has been slow

And even so, Hoyo has helped newcomers with reactions such as hyperbloom providing high returns for low investment

[dusty crown]

it's just really slow overall

and there's still a few mid units that weave their way between powercreeping units

yinlin's weapon being like close to 40% (I think?) better than her best "free" 4-stars is crazy 😐

[neat robin]

Powercreep is less of an issue when older chars still clear within any time limits too

[cobalt cobalt]

Kurogames powercreeps pretty hard in pgr

[neat robin]

If sig weapons dont get super specific to a chars kit at least we can shuffle them around as needed
Just the base stats from 3-4-5* is sorta crazy

[blissful tulip]

According to prydwen, it is around a 30% increase, which some more powerful Genshin weapons do have on some characters

In Waves' case, it's just more apparent due to us only being 2.5 weeks in, as well as ToA being a dps check

[dusty crown]

they have string at 117% and jinzhou s1 at 83%. 117 / 83 = 40%

[blissful tulip]

Ah, I see
Kuro's push toward signature weapons have become more severe around Gen 2's release in PGR global (September 2023 for reference), wasn't expecting them to do it this early on

[dusty crown]

at least the weapon banner is not genshin's

lol

[blissful tulip]

That is the catch

[dusty crown]

so it makes getting them easier if you don't have my luck in genshin

[blissful tulip]

And knowing our pull income for the near future assuming lack of bugs and compensation

I feel that f2p's will mainly vertical invest in 4-5 elements, rather than pulling for a wide coverage

[neat robin]

Its dependent on us even earning enough for a char each patch. Then weapon on top? Or if you lose 50/50

[cobalt apex]

its the same for jiyan right?

[dusty crown]

similar to genshin ? or worse?

[cobalt apex]

verdant at 117% and helios s1 at 83%

[dusty crown]

judging by prydwen yes

[blissful tulip]

Similar to Genshin's more active patches, so around 60-80

[neat robin]

60-80 for the full 6 weeks, f2p?

[blissful tulip]

I'd have to recalculate , but it does seem to be around 60-80 for f2ps accounting for discrepancies due to Kuro's negligence

[dusty crown]

i have no idea whether i want to commit long term personally, i did buy the BP and the welkin equiv for now (to get autumntrace for jiyan)

kind of want yinlin and her weapon because it seems like it will be a very good generic weapon moving forward too

[cobalt apex]

ill just prob playing f2p for now

[dusty crown]

that's what i should do

[blissful tulip]

ToA resetting every 3 weeks is unexpected, though

I had thought it'd be 2 weeks like Genshin's abyss, 700 (600 for most) is lower overall

[dusty crown]

i thought the shop resetted every month like genshin ;_;

[fickle kernel]

i think just the fact that teams can share artifacts is already much less of a grind compared to genshin, the grind is just frontloaded for now

[neat robin]

^ once we have a couple sets +20’d it’ll be easier. Only need 1 team at a time

Echo exp is still extra shit though

[cobalt apex]

i prob wont be able to finish building my 2nd team anytime soon

the resin required for forte is omega high

[fickle kernel]

1.1 save echo exp surely

[dusty crown]

it's pretty cool you can swithc artis and weapons around ngl, i understand the vertical investment point

don't have it in me to farm echos tho 😦

[neat robin]

I’m just trying to get my 2 electro sets to the point I can use cal and yinlin without suffering but the subs are not it rn

[cobalt apex]

i farmed a little too many echoes and now i have full sets on 6 chars 😭

with only 2 of them leveled

[dusty crown]

i wish the game had a thing where you could just select a set and it'd pinpoint the nearest td's that can drop echoes of that set

[neat robin]

I have ‘full sets’ on almost everyone but. Yeah. Only jiyan is fully +20

[fickle kernel]

did yall use all your resin refill things

[blissful tulip]

Yes

[neat robin]

Yeah

[cobalt apex]

solvent?

[dusty crown]

instead of having to manually set each mobs

[cobalt apex]

yea

[fickle kernel]

oh

[neat robin]

Used half to reach ul40, then the rest right after

[dusty crown]

i used 1 or 2 i think, i'm keeping the rest for when i'm higher level

[fickle kernel]

ok ill start using my 40 be back in 3 hours

[dusty crown]

ah that's why some are already ul40 lol

[cobalt apex]

i even have full set for verina

[fickle kernel]

im just using them on ascension mats right

[neat robin]

You just need 5pc bonus

[lilac hare]

I don’t have any er pieces

I think I had 1

[cobalt apex]

(it took me 3h to get a healing bonus piece dont say it outloud)

[lilac hare]

Mainstat I mean

[neat robin]

I have both er on verina

And hb bell

[fickle kernel]

isnt atk% mainstat better than healing% on verina...

[dusty crown]

is healing bonus the rarest on the 4-cost

[cobalt apex]

i think it is?

[neat robin]

Idk I heard that too but I’m just leaving hb. Her set is like. +5 rn I cant upgrade more anyways

[cobalt apex]

mine are all +0

[lilac hare]

I have atk bell on verina, just no er 3 costs at all

Damn

[cobalt apex]

also she shouldnt need 2 er echoes since er weapon?

[fickle kernel]

need to level baizhi today ToT

[neat robin]

I’m hoping for another 5* support so I can ignore baizhi

[fickle kernel]

baizhi good af tho

why ignore

[cobalt apex]

u can wait for another 2 months

[fickle kernel]

15% universal deepen that stays after swapping is so nice

[neat robin]

I cant echo up my current chars so baizhi is end of list rn. By the time I actually get to her I just want a 5* support instead lol

[oak copper]

I guess since they are guaranteed they also wanna double down on people desiring them. Trying to normalize S0R1 as a pull plan

[blissful tulip]

Daily Missions: 42 * 60 = 2520
ToA Reset: 700 * 2 = 1400 (1200 for most players)
Events, best case scenario = 2400
1.1 Daily log in = 1200 (5 event pulls)
Jinshi + Changli quests: 200
Maintenance compensation: 600
Starglitter reset: 6 weapon pulls, 6 event pulls
Character trials: 40
Achievements: 100-200
New area + WQ's associated: 1500-2000

Assuming best case scenario and assuming I didn't forget anything, this amounts to 78 pulls rounded up

[dusty crown]

yeah that makes sense; genshin tries to normalize c1 or c2 while they try to normalize r1

[blissful tulip]

That's fair, but it does sting in comparison to Genshin where they aren't as necessary

[oak copper]

It sucks that 4* weapons look pretty cope overall, yeah

I'd guess the best plan you can have as a f2p to monthly+ maybe BP is to try and grab the most universal 5* for each weapon type you can find to have a baseline to work with

since as long as same weapon type units aren't on the same Team you can share the weapons

[dusty crown]

my plan is also to use the standard pulls only on the weapon banner

[oak copper]

not even all BP weapons look exciting, so even long-term as a BP buyer there is maybe 1 or 2 that can stand in for a 5* weapon at R5

[blissful tulip]

Knowing how many we get even with the log-in, that's going to be very difficult

[dusty crown]

yeah long term def

[fickle kernel]

neither of the 1.1 weapons seem particularly universal

yinlin weapon too good i fear

[dusty crown]

yeah was gonna validate whether it was super universal

[oak copper]

Definitely, its just that we are getting very few post release, so unless you have been lucky to get your Starter Banner stuff early or Weapon banner early its gonna take a whole while to get a 5* from there

[dusty crown]

i know on-field units can benefit fully from its passive but it still seems really good lol

[blissful tulip]

Going to take many, many months unfortunately

[clear stump]

This is the best game to go fully f2p imo because you can't really be sure on the future of this game

[oak copper]

Stringmaster is definitely pretty cracked as a universal option

[dusty crown]

genshin moment basically, shop reset + battle pass

[clear stump]

I'm not even bothering with welkin

[cobalt apex]

we'll get the UL 45 weapon in like 2 weeks at least

[oak copper]

Genshin has the pulls from ascending characters atleast. Its a one time thing but it adds up

[clear stump]

Meanwhile i buy welkin+bp every month on hsr and genshin because i know the game is in good hands.

[kind turtle]

smart people get stringmaster for encore

[cobalt apex]

bold of u assuming i have encore

[kind turtle]

yeah it's coming quick

[cobalt apex]

ill prob pick the broadsword

[kind turtle]

and even less time due to the doubles

[cobalt apex]

just because cal is using a 3* one rn

[dusty crown]

still dunno which weapon to go for, i'm definitely going for the broadsword because it seems good on all broadswords units so far

but the 2nd one i dunno

[clear stump]

It's crap

Always go for the crit stats

Building calcharo with lustrous is just so painful

[blissful tulip]

I'll go for sword, I already got pistol for Chixia

[oak copper]

Sword looks like the best pick to me so far in a vacuum. Large gap towards alternatives, many users

[cobalt apex]

ill also get sword but like

the 4* options for broadsword are so omega coped

[clear stump]

Eventually we will get a 5* pistol dps so that's good

[blissful tulip]

Since Chixia is already getting crept this early

[clear stump]

I'm honestly really regretting pulling for lustrous razor

[dusty crown]

ah

[clear stump]

Not having crit stats is just so 🤮

[fickle kernel]

im not

have u seen the 4* options

[cobalt apex]

or i can just be cringe and get 2 swords

[fickle kernel]

there's literally nothing

[oak copper]

As a reroll shill my stance is jsut to grab Jiyan's for Broadsword coverage but if you aren't rerolling or naturally got the luck its only a good idea if you actually want to go for Jiyan

[clear stump]

I'm contemplating of pulling for jiyan sig. Or just wait for jihnsi.

And use them as stats stick for cal.

[fickle kernel]

it was only the free fates anyway

[oak copper]

either works, true

[fickle kernel]

unless you used currency for yours?

[dusty crown]

guess i could go sword nad pistol for the standard banenr then

pistol seems good on mort

[clear stump]

It should be good for future 5* pistol dps too.

[dusty crown]

i didn't realize it also buffs the switch-in after outro too which is nice

[oak copper]

Pistol isn't a high priority to me because unless you wanna play Chixia its not gonna be a super huge deal to Team performance

[grim grove]

Yinlin mainstats + active echo? with her sig

[neat robin]

Tempest, 2x electro, 2x atk. Electro set

[hollow gorge]

it has a teamwide buff, should be good on Mortefi

[oak copper]

Its definitely nice but it should still pale in comparison to getting a 5* Weapon on your actual DPS. And with a 3 Team requirement you have to get atleast 3 DPS going before heavily investing into someone like Mortefi becomes a priority

especially if assuming its a Jiyan Team, which will likely be your team with the least issues in ToA at the moment

[graceful schooner]

date of jinhsi release?

[fickle kernel]

is that a question

[kind turtle]

still a better use of formatted strings than kuro

[fickle kernel]

is using this resin on tacet fields pre 40 a waste

[kind turtle]

do prefarming for 70 first, then when you've got what you want tacet fields are fine

the only notable drop rate increase is tuners or echoes themselves, the echo xp barely increases

[night mantle]

don't use the cubes before 1.1

there is a high chance that they increase rewards from tf

[knotty fiber]

We're early

The quicker we get to higher phase the better

Cuz rewards go up with phase

So yeah, same thing if you spend or not

[viscid badge]

I'm gonna take my time

[knotty fiber]

I'm gonna be UL50 right before 1.1 I think

[viscid badge]

UL 20 here

[knotty fiber]

Also they probably won't increase Tacet Field rewards, just the income from events and stuffs

[neat robin]

Debating on swapping this one 3cost to aero% and accepting a no er jiyan just doesnt ult

Idk where the middle ground is

Would need an er & cr sub on at least 4/5 pieces to make up for er main

[knotty fiber]

30% ish ER is what you need

I'm having 26% rn and still have some downtime

But not too bad

[neat robin]

I have no er subs. At all

My monkey and both 1cost are cr cdmg heavy +atk/ult +1 subs no way I’m replacing them soon

[rotund drum]

damn the thundering memphis on floor 4 has mad health

[blissful tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1dbwfhi/ww_11_beta_new_area_chests_tidal_heritage_etc_and/

Looks like we have our Astrite count for the new area

[rotund drum]

doesnt look like enough

rip JSSIMPs

do they ever explain why its called the impermanence heron if its always there

shouldnt it be called the permanence heron

[blissful tulip]

Around 1600-2000

[rotund drum]

guess it wont kill me to spend a little bit of money

[blissful tulip]

Area itself looks to be around the size of Tiger's Maw

So it should take around 2-3 hours to fully explore or less

[rotund drum]

at least JS banner will have DJ too

in case i lose 50/50

[blissful tulip]

Don't think I'll have enough to even hit Jinshi if the presumed 1.1 pulls are anything to go by

She seems more fun to me in comparison to Changli

Oh well, there's always 1.2 if anything

[rotund drum]

maybe we'll get true dark ultimate jinhsi in the future

[cobalt cobalt]

Probably named by someone who doesn’t know what the word means

[rotund drum]

its a big plot hole

[cobalt cobalt]

Your first mistake was expecting a coherent plot from wuwa

The game who kept changing the plot close to release

[blissful tulip]

Edgy shadow versions of existing characters

Wouldn't that be something

[kind turtle]

Does anyone have math on what the drop rate for double crit by +25 is?

[fickle kernel]

in korean it's called the insidious heron

so english fuck up again i presume

[oak copper]

Name is just doubling down on the secondary title "Death Incarnate", Impermanence referring to mortality, so its just a fancy way to call the thing "Death Heron"

gotta science those edgy names properly

[neon frost]

is Changli looking to be incompatible with Encore?

[fickle kernel]

wait did ya'll already 100% the whole map?

[winged belfry]

Changli looks like she'll be replacing Encore if anythin?

[blissful tulip]

She looks to be more compatible with nuke Chixia

And future fusion damage dealers

[winged belfry]

We need to see if Mortefi's ult is Snapshotable

If it is, then mortefi + Changli is super busted

[neat robin]

I just need a good mort build

Like yes, thank you. Much help

[hollow gorge]

basically you need Verina, so that she buffs all characters in the team, Mort included

but still Mort's numbers are mediocre, so he is overrated as an off-field damage. You mainly need heam for Heavy DMG Deepen

[rotund drum]

hes good with midyan specifically

since he fires 6x per second

anything less isnt worth though

[hollow gorge]

kinda. He misses some of them

[neat robin]

You realize I need 2 teams for tower
Verina is with cal yinlin

[hollow gorge]

Jiyan is buggy with Mort, like with higher ping when you rotate mobs in the ult, sometimes Mort shots don't register

[rotund drum]

a burst nuker who just does a lot of damage with one shot is probably actually preferable with allt he swapping you do in this game tbh

hence jinhsi coming out

[hollow gorge]

I think Jiyan needs Verina more

[rotund drum]

he's probably dying without her

[hollow gorge]

nah

[rotund drum]

if you can do 1-3 with the weaker team then you can run your strong team for 4-4

[neat robin]

No my electro builds suck ass

They need verinas buff. Heal is wtvr

[hollow gorge]

understandable

honestly, the echo farm is so bad, that I've put the game on a slow burner until 1.1

[rotund drum]

its pretty chill once you hit ar40

for the db rank up

[blissful tulip]

Some of these echoes make me wish an off piece existed

It's an immense pain to go for 5pc

[neat robin]

The fact you cant even equip 2 of the same low-cost echo too

Like okay yeah no multiples of the 4 cost bosses. Makes sense. But no dupe 1cost? Whyy

[hollow gorge]

yep, that's why I run 2x2x builds. You lose 10% damage for ability to put an off-piece, which is likely to boost your damage by 2 better subs, which is like 15-20% more damage

[rotund drum]

10% damage is a lot

and the 1-costs arent that hard to farm

[hollow gorge]

yep, but you compensate it with better subs. 5x build requires you to do 4 33 11, unless it's electro or havoc

[blissful tulip]

You can do 4/4/1/1/1

Depending on sonata it may not be effective, but energy, havoc can do so for example

[hollow gorge]

only electro and havoc have 2 different 4 cost

[blissful tulip]

Energy as well

[hollow gorge]

well, yes, I mean for main dps

[kind turtle]

woo stat display

[hollow gorge]

nice one, Gremlin nation

[upper flare]

what should i pick? i use calch and yinlin

[hollow gorge]

are you db20?

[neat robin]

Gonna have to go test aero with er subs vs er main with cdmg subs on jiyan

[hollow gorge]

I think those can be 4*

depending on your DB

[neat robin]

It shouldnt matter. If playing 2 electros those elctro% free echos are best to choose

Db15+

Actually the choice ones should be guaranteed gold. As element & mainstat they tell you from inventory screen

[kind turtle]

the choice ones are guaranteed, the random from BP can be purple

[hollow gorge]

Feelscrafting 130% er Jiyan is enough for his ult to always be ready after full buff Mort non-c2 Verina rotation, c2 Verina would probably need 140-150 er Jiyan

[neat robin]

Yeah thats why I have er main but I think I could go aero main if I sac cdmg and heavy maybe

[upper flare]

nop

[upper flare]

nah pretty sure its 5 star

so which one do i pick?

only really focusing on calch and yinlin atm

[kind turtle]

then go electro

[upper flare]

falutist?

[hollow gorge]

either Flautist or Heron, whichever is rarer

[upper flare]

*flautist

[upper flare]

hmm isnt cyan feathered like uh the light element or sumn

[kind turtle]

check the item description, i believe its flautist

[hollow gorge]

feels like Heron is easier to farm

so I would take flautist

[kind turtle]

heron from selector is spectro i believe

[hollow gorge]

no, violet heron

[kind turtle]

the echo selectors only have 1 from each element

[upper flare]

oh i finished selecting that

[kind turtle]

cyan-feathered heron is Spectro/Aero

[upper flare]

think flautist is the electro one

are all flautists the same?

[kind turtle]

check the description of the echo selector item

flautist is electro/lingering tunes

[hollow gorge]

yep, I think you can click on the image

and it will show its attribute

[upper flare]

ah yeah i couldve just checked that

right it is the flautist

do i continue?

idk looks sad

for both calcharo and yinlin

[kind turtle]

if you're missing a flautist currently you can go for it

10% chance for cdmg on the next one

[upper flare]

this is my 3rd ever 5 star echo

[hollow gorge]

on set CR is good enough, I would go to +20

[fickle kernel]

it's week 3 u don't need perfect pieces atm

it'sgood enough for now

[upper flare]

well shi

[hollow gorge]

plus CR is a high roll

[upper flare]

fk it we ball

imma +25

[fickle kernel]

flat hp incoming

just leave it at 20....

[upper flare]

truly the sad state of affairs

[upper flare]

maybe i should have done that

well whatever

it is what it is

[fickle kernel]

live and learn

[upper flare]

yeah i am broke now too

pain

should i give my stronger pieces to yinlin or calch

[kind turtle]

that's broke, comedy

10 tacet fields worth of XP

[upper flare]

idk man i havent done any tacet fields yet

i am like UL 30

somehow got 5 star echoes from the event

[hollow gorge]

tbh, I would like the red mist elites to drop fixed on set echoes. You can kill them once per couple of days anyway and it would be an incentive to kill them after UL30

those were fun to challenge, I am sad there is no reason to kill them after UL30

[neat robin]

You still get gold echos from the stronger ones

[hollow gorge]

kinda. They just not worth the effort anymore, unless you want to 100% all the 3* echo drops

[knotty fiber]

ah so you're not at that phase yet

[echo mirage]

how is wuwa's co-op compared to genshin's (lack of) co-op? Is it similar mechanic where you can just help each other with what will end up being brain-dead farming in end-game, or is there some semi-tryhard co-op combat regular content?

[knotty fiber]

nah just the same old brainded except you have more reason to coop

cuz it's endless pokemon catching

[echo mirage]

alright cool, I won't feel so bad if I fall out of it then - just been jones'ing for co-op fun but it seems ToF is the only gacha to do that, but that one flopped pretty hard in my books

[fickle kernel]

is there a way to see what side quests you have and haven't completed?

[kind turtle]

only based on achievements and the ones that actually have achievements

[neat robin]

I noticed in the one coop I did

You can borrow your teammates outros

The ring will pop up around their char’s profile and you can tap to use it

[knotty fiber]

💀 min rolls are the bane of my existence

idk if I should be glad or not

[edgy cobalt]

at least it isn't
6.3% crit rate

[knotty fiber]

but it is 12.6% cdmg

which is 6.3% crate equivalent

7.1% dmg is also the min roll iirc

[hollow gorge]

ok, I have a problem. Now when I play genshin and jump off a small height I die. Lmao

[lilac hare]

1.1 estimated pulls

[dusty crown]

same lol

really debating whether i should use those starglitter equivalents for pulls or really wait to use them for a 5* dupe

[neat robin]

Mm same

I wanted jiyans r1 tbh so I can build less er lol

[dusty crown]

decided to spend the ~160 i had on the weapon banner because i was at 53 pulls on it and got the op thing

[rotund drum]

starglitter dupe is better value i think

[hollow gorge]

same here, spent on a weapon banner

[rotund drum]

its 360 for dupe vs 8 per pull

so 45 pulls for a guaranteed dupe basically

assuming theres ever actually a good c1 or c2

[dusty crown]

it is better value

[rotund drum]

so far they look kinda bad

[dusty crown]

and that's my logic thus far ahah

[rotund drum]

they'll probably creep it within 6 months or so

assuming the game doesnt eos before then

every char in star fail and genshit have op e2s now

[hollow gorge]

if the soft pity is around 65 as many think, you get a bunch of 4* as well as 2/3 of a way to a pity

[dusty crown]

genshin is incentivizing c1-c2, wuwa seems to incentivize s0 but with weapon

[hollow gorge]

for 360 you get 45 pulls, which is 5 four stars

[rotund drum]

yeah and its 50% chance to be a shit con for a standard

if it was 65% of the way to a guarantee i'd consider it

[hollow gorge]

well, weapon is guaranteed and it is usually better than c1 anyway

after you got at least one 5* weapon of each type, obv the value is reduced

I guess I will reevaluate when I get there, hard to tell how soon I will get five 5* weapons

[rotund drum]

there's the standard weapon banner at least

although the game doesnt seem to give as many free standard pulls recurrently as star fail

[dusty crown]

i think my strategy might be like 1/3rd of my base pulls in weapon and 2/3rd in character, and the starglitter thingy in weapon

[rotund drum]

so it may take a while to get there

guess ill go back to genshit and prefarm the new dendro chick since this game has no content until jinhsi

other than mindlessly running around nuking mobs for echoes

[knotty fiber]

never gonna use corals for pulls

[rotund drum]

just need to slot wanderer in overworld comp or movement is too cancer

[knotty fiber]

only sequences, or worse, tuners

[dusty crown]

i hate how they somehow

made a worse artifact system than genshin

[rotund drum]

well its better than genshit's at leat

[dusty crown]

like, that's some serious dedication you need as a game publisher to go that way

[rotund drum]

star fail's is nice cause you can target

[dusty crown]

you can farm more, but it's far more time consuming

[rotund drum]

you can farm them from the tacet fields if you're really lazy i guess

that'd make it about the same as genshit relic domain

[dusty crown]

i mean even the bosses

[rotund drum]

bosses are pretty easy

[dusty crown]

then the exp mat is scarce

the tuners are a dumb idea

[rotund drum]

and the 3-cost ones get considerably better once you hit 80% droprate

[dusty crown]

and you HAVE to spend ressources to discover whether an artifact will be bad or not

whereas in genshin right at drop you know when an artifact might be of interest to level up or not

[rotund drum]

i'd rather spend resources to discover if its bad rather than spedn resources just to get it and find out its bad

[dusty crown]

neither system is great but wuwa is far more grindy ultimately

[rotund drum]

its mostly same diff except you can save resin on mainstat farm

and the substat pool is overall better

[dusty crown]

like i like the idea of being enticed to explore areas to fight mobs and ell but eh

[dusty crown]

isn't there like 13 different substats

[cobalt apex]

is it tho

[rotund drum]

yeah but theres more useful ones

[cobalt apex]

for most chars the dmg% is worse than flat atk

[rotund drum]

cr, cd, atk, er, and all the damage ones

in genshit you basically only want cr/cd/at and maybe er

or em

[cobalt apex]

if u get a skill dmg% on calcharo that thing is useless

[rotund drum]

so if you dont roll a straight run its a shit artifact

i mean if i get skill damage on encore instead of BA damage i'll live

if i get def% on diluc i just quit

[cobalt apex]

technically like a 0.5% dmg increase but yea

[dusty crown]

it's more likely to get the crit subs tho

😦

[cobalt apex]

for example for calcharo

[dusty crown]

and then when you get them it's just 1/4 of rolling into them when you level up

[rotund drum]

there's only 4 subs so not really

star fail has effect res and effect hitrate to water it down too

[cobalt apex]

the useful ones are cr, cd, er, atk%, flat atk, burst dmg%

which is 6/13

[rotund drum]

trying to remember how many total subs there are in genshit

[cobalt apex]

10

[rotund drum]

yeah so 4 chances to roll 2/10 vs 5 chances to roll like 6/13

[cobalt apex]

if u only want crit and no % stats for some reasons yea

[rotund drum]

attack is fine i guess

and ER never hurts

[cobalt apex]

most chars in genshin use 4,5/10

% stats are always great

theyre like 60-80% of crit

[dusty crown]

for many characters, er%, scaling% and EM (anemo, dendro, electro, pyro) are generally useful

[cobalt apex]

also if u dont count er and flat atk in wuwa

its 4/13

[dusty crown]

also if you're farming bobses/overworld you need to open the damn menu to see what you drop T_T

[rotund drum]

wuwa has cr, cd, atk%, BA%, HA%, skill%, ult%, and situationally ER

that's 6-7/13

genshit has cr, cd, atk% and maybe ER or EM

so 3-5/10

[cobalt apex]

er is useless on many chars

in wuwa

[rotund drum]

wuwa also gives 5 chances to roll the stat and less variation in the range

[cobalt apex]

same with 3/4 of the dmg%

a useless dmg% roll is worse than a flat atk roll

[rotund drum]

are you saying if you rolled a cr/cd/BA/HA/skill piece you'd fodder it lol

dmg% is still good even if it just to keep for a future char

[cobalt apex]

its just a crit stat stick at that pojnt

same thing as a 40 cv 2 def piece in genshin

ill def keep it

[cobalt apex]

also one of the 3 dmg% u mentioned is useful

so its a 3 rolls

3/5 double crit is an amazing piece

[rotund drum]

yeah so its kinda hard to fall completely flat on dmg rolls

most chars can use 2-3 of them

[cobalt apex]

1 but yea

its kinda like this

[rotund drum]

ult% can be sus for chars who dont have damage ults but usually there's something in the kit that does

encore's forte is ult damage iirc

[cobalt apex]

crit > atk% > main dmg% > flat atk > other dmg%

for wuwa

[rotund drum]

like encore benefits from skill damage, ult damage and basic damage

jiyan benefits from heavy damage and skill damage

offhand i cant think of a main dps who literally only uses one type of damage

[dusty crown]

generally the more % a character will benefit from , the lesser their impact

[cobalt apex]

cal

has 70% as ult

[rotund drum]

a good main dps i mean

[cobalt apex]

uh

danjin has 40% as heavy

[rotund drum]

danjin is ba/skill/heavy i think

she has a spread

even jianxin has heavy/ult damage

idk what lion fuccboi does but he probably uses skill damage i think

[dusty crown]

like heavy% on sanhua is less valuable than heavy% on jiyan, that's what i mean

[rotund drum]

even jiyan gets a big chunk from skill damage

[dusty crown]

because she has like 3 difference sources of main dmg that are all close

[rotund drum]

obv if the char is literally only one type of damage you'd want to prioritize that but thats rarely if ever the case

there's usually at least two

[dusty crown]

jiyan is like 65% heavy 15% skill iirc

[rotund drum]

depends on how often you have to rotate him to charge his ult i guess

[dusty crown]

unless what i saw on pryd is not accurate

[rotund drum]

i believe intro counts as skill damage as well

not sure tbh

might not count as anything

but his skill does a pretty decent chunk on a short cd esp if you have c1

which most people probably do if they were trying to get danjin

and with the swap cds and swap canceling being so fast in this game the best way to feed a char who has an expensive ult is to just do skill swaps a lot

[cobalt apex]

if we take from prydwen only skill and heavy are worth it

from basic flat atk is prob better

[cobalt apex]

skill on jiyan is also worse than flat atk

tho those arent indicate of in game gameplay

but yea

[rotund drum]

flat atk scales better early game

so that helps a bit

but if you're thinking long-term its still a bad stat

[cobalt apex]

flat atk usually at ~40% of atk% end game

so still better than boosting like a 15% of ur dmg by 10 dmg%

[rotund drum]

thats probably about breakeven actually

and the dmg% can go to someone else later

whereas the flat atk is just universally bad

[cobalt apex]

depends on which set but yea

we'll eventually get new echo sets

[dusty crown]

i'm stuck at 98% exploration in jinzhou and i have no idea what i'm missing even after checking every point on a map

[lament thorn]

is there early pity on this game?

70 pity rn.... nothing

[neat robin]

I havent gone over 70 personally

[uneven flame]

Same with me on standard weapon banner.

[lament thorn]

finally got something

but not yinlin

[cobalt apex]

should be same soft pity as genshin right?

[uneven flame]

Genshin has a hard pity of 90 and a soft pity of 75 for characters with the weapon banner being 80 hard 65 soft. Idk if Wuwa has a soft at 65 (since hard is always 80) and even if they do it might be a weaker soft than genshin.

[kind turtle]

damn atk% and flat atk really arent far apart

[uneven flame]

Flat atk is actually good in this game compared to genshin unless Bennett

[kind turtle]

and at lvl70

[neat robin]

So flat atk loses value with the high base 5*s

[cobalt apex]

still tho flat atk is really good in this game

so the 4 best universal stats are just cr cd atk% and flat atk

[lament shuttle]

Until we get hp or def scaling dps

[cobalt apex]

can u calc how much better crit is compare to atk%?

[neat robin]

Id take cr cdmg er atk/atk%

[kind turtle]

crit compared to atk% is calculating an entire character sheet, so i dont think thats reasonable right now 😭

[cobalt apex]

i see

[lament thorn]

is there a site where we can see beta kits?

oh

[kind turtle]

https://ww.hakush.in

[lament thorn]

pins

thx

[kind turtle]

yeah

[knotty fiber]

hottest take

when almost every char relies on ult

and ppl only think Verina needs ult which she doesn't if you rarely get hit

[cobalt apex]

ive had worse takes before

[knotty fiber]

from characters that I have played

Jiyan needs ult
HRover needs ult
Encore needs ult
Danjin needs ult (in HRover swap comp)
Jianxin needs ult
Mortefi needs ult
Yinlin needs ult

definitely not "useless on many chars"

[cobalt apex]

my bad

[lament thorn]

whole lotta yapping

[knotty fiber]

I can sum up her kit if you want

took time to go thru the kit cuz I like her

[lament thorn]

i read through it but yes plz

[knotty fiber]

• Built around skill dmg
• True Sight is a mode that allow her to proc True Sight attacks, considered skill dmg, triggers once per True Sight mode
• She can enter True Sight thru Intro, using skill, or Basic/Aerial Basic Attack 4th sequence
• Skill has 2 charges, 12s CD each charge
• Using Ult and True Sight attacks will give her special stacks. At 4 stacks, after using HA she will release an attack considered skill dmg as well
• Her nuke is considerably big, though not as big as HRover's and Jinhsi's

Ideally use her as a swap unit

she deals quite big dmg, but optimally as a sub dps

[cobalt apex]

would encore or chixia work better for her

[knotty fiber]

nnn

well

they don't buff her at all so

LOL

[cobalt apex]

i mean like she buff them when she has downtime

[knotty fiber]

at that point it's the matter of who deals more dmg and build more Concerto when Changli is still building uptime

[knotty fiber]

Changli buffs Chixia more

since she has the RL dmg boost

Encore has almost 0 RL dmg

[lament thorn]

her inherent skill and ult is weird

either pick 25% atk or 20% fusion dmg

[knotty fiber]

what's weirder to me is her sequences