・wuwa-lounge

[stuck wharf]

idk, standard SU was fun til planar farming happened, swarm was mid, g&g was great

[knotty fiber]

[kind turtle]

SimU has no variety, HSR combat is the same thing every time and different simU paths are just just different flavours of vanilla

[stuck wharf]

su def has variety, it's just finite. the nature of live service games, you can't expect infinite content lol

[blissful tulip]

The new 2.3 SU mode looks fun, hopefully it isn't too similar to G&G and Swarm

[hollow gorge]

no, that's just the foundation of the roguelike genre. You have risks and reward. If there are no stressful situations that put you into a risk of losing most of the progress and starting over, you lose the meaning of roguelike

[stuck wharf]

that's why they develop new modes for it

[kind turtle]

I'm excited for 2.3 mode so I only have to run it once to planar farm

[stuck wharf]

planars should just be in coc like standard relics

it's most of what kills su

[knotty fiber]

Yea and I'm not seeing stress playing SU

[hollow gorge]

sorry, I don't play HSR

[hollow gorge]

so I don't see your point

[stuck wharf]

theres no risk in su, you can just alt F4 and retry

[blissful tulip]

That alongside 1.1 caused HSR to significantly decrease in popularity, the free Ratio was a fantastic marketing move by them right before Penacony

[knotty fiber]

I consider that as a loss of argument

[stuck wharf]

I don't think this is true at all lol, hsr was fine up until xzl botched the story

that's when most ppl started leaving

[blissful tulip]

I feel the same way, although I'll likely be taking a break from HSR soon, a good chunk of the patch being auto daily loop is not for me

[blissful tulip]

I had heard differently, but XZL had a lot to do with it as well

[knotty fiber]

I can't see why ppl are defending GI for the lack of contents and stuffs during the past years

Just admit it

The game can make money and they can't be bothered to add more stuffs

Just squeeze the money til they have to improve

[stuck wharf]

who's disagreeing lmao

[knotty fiber]

Someone here is

[stuck wharf]

isn't this like the most common take

[hollow gorge]

the audience that makes them money doesn't need that sort of content apparently. Otherwise Hoyo would bother

[knotty fiber]

There that someone for you

HSR can keep generating income like a cashcow too

And guess what

It keeps giving new contents and QoLs

[stuck wharf]

hsr also has the benefit of being relatively new, the playerbase has less expectations about what the game should look and play like so the devs have more room to try stuff out

genshins kinda entrenched and they're scared of tampering w the formula too much

[hollow gorge]

I am probably completely misunderstanding what you are talking about. Neither Genshin nor HSR are adding the content you were talking about, or do I miss something?

[stuck wharf]

hsr does add new content

"endgame" content

or as close to it as we can expect

[knotty fiber]

Ppl were expecting HSR to be like Genshin, not having much new content

And no, ever since 1.3 they have been giving more and more endgame contents

With QoLs that Genshin could never

[hollow gorge]

no, we were talking about roguelike content. I don't think I saw anything new in HSR in that direction

[blissful tulip]

Did you miss the two new modes?

[knotty fiber]

They keep expanding Simulated Universe

[stuck wharf]

and a 3rd on the way

[knotty fiber]

They don't play HSR

So they don't know

Swarm Disaster, Gold n Gear, and Divergent Universe coming soonge

[stuck wharf]

honestly I would've rather had another su expansion than pure fiction

[blissful tulip]

I don't fully agree with "more" but there is more variety for sure
We still only get refreshing endgame every two weeks, with the newer modes of SU being one-time

Apocalyptic Shadow looks fun as well

[graceful jetty]

the SU modes are so many hours of content tho

it's kinda crazy

[knotty fiber]

I would still consider the one-time content being "more"

[stuck wharf]

even if it's more of the same, I think having more modes that let different chars shine is still good

[blissful tulip]

Fair, they do provide a lot to play around with

[stuck wharf]

we need abyss 2 where dehya becomes hybrid hydro pyro and vapes her own hits

[blissful tulip]

G&G being a great example

[blissful tulip]

As much as I dislike PF's shilling tendencies at times, the fact that it boosted Herta and Himeko to what they are now is a great way of utilizing the mode

[knotty fiber]

DU seems to be vastly different from SD and GnG which I'm quite excited to try out

[stuck wharf]

hunt propaganda mode will save yanqing trust

finally unbenching

[blissful tulip]

More like break propaganda for the time being

[knotty fiber]

Yeah it seems like break rn

[hollow gorge]

I am just comparing to PGR, where the were Pain Cage, Babel, Norman as base modes (some added later), that was already more endgame content than Genshin has. If HSR is like that, then it might have became a better game than it was initially

[stuck wharf]

[blissful tulip]

Norman was added a year after release...

Around 1st anni

[knotty fiber]

You forgot warzone

[stuck wharf]

was wz on releas

ya

[blissful tulip]

Yes

[hollow gorge]

a year is still pretty short distance

[knotty fiber]

Also babel isn't a 100% uptime content

[stuck wharf]

I only started playing balter patch

[knotty fiber]

It's seasonal

[blissful tulip]

WZ and PPC were on release, with Babel coming out a few months later iirc

[knotty fiber]

And recently they added boss rush

[blissful tulip]

And Norman coming out during 1st anni, and the newer endgame mode coming around Lamia's patch I believe

[knotty fiber]

Before

[hollow gorge]

yes, but it is (was) recurring regularly while I was playing PGR

[knotty fiber]

It was there before I started CN

[blissful tulip]

Let me double check then

[knotty fiber]

It's boss rush

[blissful tulip]

Ah, during Alisa's

[knotty fiber]

It's released along with harmonization if I'm not wrong

I started during Alisa

So probably

[blissful tulip]

That's the one

[stuck wharf]

honestly wuwa just makes me wanna reinstall pgr more than I wanna play it lmao

[hollow gorge]

somehow I doubt that PGR is a better game now than it was during the first year unfortunately

[blissful tulip]

Not 100% sure if I'm going to stick with Waves long-term, going to be relatively busy once my courses start piling up and I'll only have time for two gachas

[blissful tulip]

Have you played PGR before?

[stuck wharf]

I didn't play it first year but it was as close to a perfect gacha as I've come across

[knotty fiber]

I'm hoping WW can cook something like Cursed Wave and Derive From Matrix

I love those

[hollow gorge]

before what? I played it since release for about a year

[blissful tulip]

Cursed Waves is extremely nice as your character selection is randomized

Makes the mode slightly different each time, it's great

[stuck wharf]

isn't that what illusive realm is supposed to be

[knotty fiber]

Illusive Realm is Elysian Realm

[blissful tulip]

^^

[knotty fiber]

You can use anyone that has an IR kit

As long as they are ready for the mode, you can pick that unit

[stuck wharf]

yeah that part ig

but the rest of it

[knotty fiber]

Yeah random, just as how a roguelike should be

It's not permanent yet, still during test phase

[stuck wharf]

if only you could actually play your full team in it

[knotty fiber]

Just like ER

[blissful tulip]

Eh, I don't fully agree, the mode felt very repetitive to me
But they are updating it as time goes by, so hopefully they manage to curb some of it

[knotty fiber]

ER was initially an event to test the mode also

[blissful tulip]

Usually it was just enough to obtain the blessings corresponding to the echo you've chosen

[stuck wharf]

wasn't it a story chapter or smthn

[knotty fiber]

They're still testing it out

That's why it's not a perma content yet

[blissful tulip]

It was around 5.7-5.9, ER itself had its own story starting from 5.0+

Finishing around 5.6

[stuck wharf]

ER existed before the ER story chapter?

[knotty fiber]

What I also like about CW and DFM is the lores they have

[blissful tulip]

Yes, it's the weekly endgame mode in HI3

[knotty fiber]

Damn I love trying to figure out different endings

[stuck wharf]

I mean I've played it, I just assumed it was introduced w the story lol

[knotty fiber]

Despite I almost understand nothing in Chinese

[stuck wharf]

kinda funny

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

Was 5.0's main highlight iirc, alongside HoF's release

[stuck wharf]

wtf did hi3 players do for 5 whole ass patches before that

[blissful tulip]

Kolosten Arc

[craggy wave]

Anyone here playing sephiroth with jianxin?

[knotty fiber]

Nolifing Abyss and MA

[craggy wave]

how good is her shield for his rotations?

[stuck wharf]

abyss and ma are sleeper content

[knotty fiber]

They do speedrun MA

Madlads

I can't care less

[blissful tulip]

At least they take less time in PGR despite being similarish in how they're handled

Abyss takes around 20-30 minutes for me, with WZ taking 1/4 of that time

It's great

Not sure when I'll pick up HI3 again, likely when the 3rd artbook comes

[stuck wharf]

I don't think the shield gives interruption resist if that's what you're asking

[knotty fiber]

They updated WZ a bit this patch

I hate the new UI

But they removed the fact that we need to play it 12 times for weekly reward

[blissful tulip]

God it fucking sucks that it's a year away but Wanshi's patch removed the uniframe debuff

[knotty fiber]

Now only 2 times

And it's not 3 stages per zone anymore

Only 1 zone to do

[blissful tulip]

[craggy wave]

a shield doesn't give IR?

wat

[blissful tulip]

Just how it works

[stuck wharf]

this was my biggest issue w pgr and why I quit tbh, getting hype about content then realizing it's like 5000 years away is pain

[knotty fiber]

That's why I play CN

[blissful tulip]

I don't fully mind it but yeah, it's a dealbreaker for many

[stuck wharf]

I started balter and saw crimson weave and almost cried cuz I wanted her now

[knotty fiber]

It sucks that I can't understand the story but

I don't like being behind too much

[stuck wharf]

if I knew how to play cn I would

but I can't deal w the ui being cn either

my brain gets confused

[blissful tulip]

Biggest issue with PGR personally was the direction of combat they took for a lot of the recent dps units, and although it is fun, it feels mindless

[stuck wharf]

the only gen 2+ chars I've played are balter, my entire roster is gen 1 lol

[hollow gorge]

I remember when Kuro planned to speed up global patches and catch up to CN eventually. I wonder, what happened to that plan

[stuck wharf]

or 1.5 I guess, idk what empyrea falls under

[blissful tulip]

They are, but they are doing so relatively slowly

[blissful tulip]

Gen 2 is classified as any omniframe with time-stop capabilities, Empy is gen 2

[stuck wharf]

isn't cn still like 9 patches ahead

[blissful tulip]

Yes

[stuck wharf]

relatively slowly is an understatement xd

[blissful tulip]

Either way, they're definitely trying

[knotty fiber]

I'm still clueless on what to call the Watanabe+ units

2.5 or 3rd gen

Cuz some ppl say they are 2.5 and some say 3

[craggy wave]

what do you call CW?

[blissful tulip]

What is gen 3 classified as beyond just "big damage"?

[knotty fiber]

Gen 2

[hollow gorge]

that was the direction they kept taking more and more tbh. Initial PGR was all about orb (ping) management (with Alpha being an exception) and then they dumbed down the combat more and more until orbs became mostly irrelevant

[knotty fiber]

Longer core passive

[stuck wharf]

yapsive

[blissful tulip]

Ah, no wonder

[knotty fiber]

Ngl

[stuck wharf]

what are the odds I get new 21 if I reinstall rn

[knotty fiber]

The characters that I have been pulling for actually involve a lot more with orbs than, say, Balter

[blissful tulip]

I do not mind the simplification of orbs, I minded the Iframes and the enemy interactivity nosediving off the cliff after that

[blissful tulip]

How long have you not played for?

[knotty fiber]

Kinda getting close to the origin of the game

[blissful tulip]

We're very close to Noctis

[stuck wharf]

since like week 2 bambinata patch

[knotty fiber]

Ah dw

[blissful tulip]

And how many pulls/pity did you save up by that point?

[knotty fiber]

Some contents have iframe pen

[hollow gorge]

it's part of the same problem. If you simplify orbs, you get fewer instruments to implement interesting boss mechanics

[knotty fiber]

Get fucked

[blissful tulip]

Oh?

That is very interesting

[knotty fiber]

I in fact got fucked a few times

[stuck wharf]

idr my pity, probably like 15 and 0bc or smthn

[blissful tulip]

Will have a look after ZZZ's honeymoon period

[stuck wharf]

but I haven't finished story

[knotty fiber]

I haven't encountered them again

But apparently boss rush's bosses have iframe pen for some of their moves

[blissful tulip]

Actually, 21's banner may have already ended

Let me check for you

[knotty fiber]

I got fucked by Tifa v2's move a lot

Thinking I was safe during iframe

[stuck wharf]

[blissful tulip]

You refer to boss rush as the new endgame mode, right? Or was that the one tied to Babel

[knotty fiber]

New mode

[blissful tulip]

Alisa's, gotcha

[knotty fiber]

The one that you grind every 2 weeks for harmo mats

Also iframe isn't helping in the last stage

The longer the fight the worse for you

There's HP drain

💀

[blissful tulip]

3 days + some hours left, if you dolphin and clear all the content you missed, you should be fine

[knotty fiber]

On the last stage, if it lasts for more than 1m30s, you'll get a debuff, depends on the boss iirc, and for one of them, it drains your HP and energy. The longer the fight the more it drains

[blissful tulip]

Assuming you manage to scrounge up 45 pulls in time

[stuck wharf]

it's so joever

[blissful tulip]

I should definitely save up for Alisa's shards at least, then I'll take a break and return a few patches after

[knotty fiber]

I was stupid to buy Selena shards

[blissful tulip]

Neat, sounds like a great solution to the issues I've had

[knotty fiber]

Now I can't buy for PGR Kevin

[blissful tulip]

He's not going anywhere

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

Don't worry about missing him, he's permanently available

[knotty fiber]

I got the base but I need SS

I dropped the game for a good few weeks so I don't have enough skulls rn

[blissful tulip]

Are you level 80+? You should get a good amount of skulls from first-time boss achievements in ultimate PPC

[knotty fiber]

Yeah I'm in adv zone

Not strong enough to get my ass into ultimate tho

180w too hard for me

[knotty fiber]

I got most of th

The ones remaining are fucking HP sponges

[blissful tulip]

You'll be swimming in skulls once you reach ultimate, then , just be mindful of who to use these skulls on
But if you prioritise enjoyment over meta, PGR is great at that

[knotty fiber]

I mean I just need to stop dropping the game once every while LOL

I probably skipped like 10+ weeks of PPC after I started playing

I can get 48 skulls every week so it's quite decent

[blissful tulip]

They increased weekly PPC skulls as well in CN? That's great to hear
Atm a poorly performing global player earns 2/3rds of that

[knotty fiber]

They updated PPC prolly twice

Adding more percentage milestones

And then change completely to self challenging

[blissful tulip]

I'm aware that they had changed it in general, wasn't aware of the specifics, thank you for the info

[knotty fiber]

Yeah

The ultimate zone is actually different

It's a new zone for ppl in advance (end?) zone with 1.8m pts altogether

Ranking only matters there now

The rest is just you and the skull milestones, no competition with others anymore

They also changed everything so that there are only 3 diffs per boss now

You still need 3 comps but less stages to do and also more points achievable

So it's easier to complete the 580k achievements now

[blissful tulip]

Sounds a lot better than it was before , surprised it took them 4 years to make any significant changes to both modes, though

[knotty fiber]

The change before that would also make skull farming easier tho

Cuz there are more milestones and the milestones have more skulls, according to my friend whom I showed that to

💀 despite the change tho some bosses are still pain in the ass to 580k for me

[blissful tulip]

The newer bosses especially, the earlier ones thankfully haven't adjusted with time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88fig__nhGo&ab_channel=Kekon

Hopefully the level 70 passives adjust some opinions on the less popular characters

[hollow gorge]

food works in ToA? why did he mention food?

[blissful tulip]

It does

[hollow gorge]

no way. are you sure?

[blissful tulip]

I am very much sure

[hollow gorge]

maaan, I will need to reset it then, I might be able to get 21 or more stars then. But I will check first

[fickle kernel]

god why

please remove this

i do not want to cook

[graceful jetty]

we can see that

stop cooking 🔥

rainbow flag

[stuck wharf]

no way food works

wtf

does this mean theres hope for 8 player coop raids

[barren drift]

[sterile swallow]

Food does not work in ToA

But it does work for the holograms

You can have all the buffs in the world for holograms because it's better to end those battles faster

[stuck wharf]

has anyone datamined forte numbers yet

[barren drift]

finally

materials gaming

[kind turtle]

it coincides with the time people reach tl40, which is pretty nice

[barren drift]

im still 34

i will see how the reward differs between 30 and 40

[neat robin]

Am I dumb what am I missing in todays overdash, only finding 1390 of the 1500 needed

Okay nvm relogged
for some reason the last grapple & flight rings werent loading

[dusk sky]

When are we getting the free pulls?

[fickle kernel]

overdash kinda fun

feels like im playing sonic adventure 2

rollin around at the speed of sound....

[barren drift]

anyone did 3* on tempest mephis toa?

my jiyan was mid but holy i cleared at 1:53 or smth

[kind turtle]

does anyone know of any ul40 streamers/videos with drops so i can check averages for xp drops

[kind turtle]

i've managed to get 6 runs off my friend

[neat robin]

Is that ul40 tacet farming?

[kind turtle]

yeah

for comparison, i feel the average ul30 is ~19k xp

i might chug some waveplates on it

[neat robin]

Ive been using stam on my tacets (ul30) and its usually only 1 gold xp +purples so that looks nice

[kind turtle]

1 gold + 7 purp is 19k

in comparison

which seems to be the most common drop

[neat robin]

Gonna wait for ul40 to use the refills

[rotund drum]

they're doing dubs soon so you'll probs want to prefarm your ar40 ascension mats

[kind turtle]

i've got encore done so i'm fine

though i need to prefarm yinlin sig

[neat robin]

Looks like guaranteed 3 gold echos too? Since ul30 is 1-4 gold and its usally on the lower end

I’m not prefarming anything
Idk if I want yinlin sig, gonna wait til the end to see if we get kits for 1.1 first

[rotund drum]

i like how they tried to make her sound foreign by giving her a western name

but shes actually just anke

i think jiyan is actually supposed to be john too

[kind turtle]

ok UL40 can drop 5 echoes

[neat robin]

3-4 gold, 4-5 echos?

[kind turtle]

5 gold

purples arent real

[neat robin]

Really?

[kind turtle]

let me finish yoinking results from fobmaster's stream then i'll send the data

6

[neat robin]

Ooh

[lament shuttle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1235026456501948456/1247245471412392087/image0.jpg?ex=665f535d&is=665e01dd&hm=29cd76a4a530a3578de9d2946261e89afe2ca0a96062ea8db37f989e88923e6b&

lol

[kind turtle]

😭

[neat robin]

Still need a spot to spend stam that drops only echo exp, and more than 2 gold. Pls

But ig that comflicts with open-world farming as much as we want

Would never need to farm tacet fields

[sterile swallow]

If only we could convert echoes into echo EXP/tuners

I would just wipe out every mob in my world

[neat robin]

I would be okay even if we could only eat gold echos for exp

[fickle kernel]

do u really need to open the menu to see the stats on the echo u absorb

every single time

[neat robin]

Yes

Just kill everything then sort through them

[kind turtle]

kill everything, then backpack > sort by newly obtained

[sterile swallow]

I don't even look at the 4* echoes. Instant fodder

[kind turtle]

ok 25 runs of UL40

why does fobmaster have a 33 hour stream that is just Hell's Kitchen other than about 4 hours

[sterile swallow]

Guess I'm saving these energy cubes for UL40 gen

I'm only Lv37

[kind turtle]

ok thats a 47 hour stream that's 50% hell's kitchen

this makes finding tacet runs hard

[sterile swallow]

How much exp is needed to level one echo from 1 to 25 again?

Actually I won't even bother leveling all of them to 25. Just for main/sub dps. So much EXP

[neat robin]

Go to +10, if no stats you need its food

[sterile swallow]

Yeah that's what I've been doing

Anything that rolls bad by +10 becomes fodder

[kind turtle]

i'll come back with more runs in a bit

but

[neon frost]

if I'm going to pair my Calcharo with Yinlin can I get away with running Lingering Tunes and not swapping or would I be losing out on too much dmg without running Void Thunder and gitting gud with cancels?

[karmic crag]

ayo

wheres this dropping from

[kind turtle]

ul40 tacets

[karmic crag]

ahhhh

i see i see

[rotund drum]

that sounds mega cope

the only reason to use LT is for mech quickswaps

and calcharo isnt a quickswap char

[kind turtle]

but lingering gets better the less he quickswaps and calc is a quickswap after yinlin? 😭

anyway, ul30 vs ul40 tacet XP drops

[karmic crag]

what boss echo should yinlin use

[kind turtle]

tempest i believe

[karmic crag]

sweet, tysm

[rotund drum]

i mean i guess calc's sort a quickswap since you dont want him onfield lmao

so you could probably make LT calc work i guess

EEE Q swap, dps with yinlin

[ruby rune]

easiest event

fucking jiyan also wants pecok flowers

[vapid river]

they still haven't fixed this

[dense elbow]

razerninjas is U42 iirc

[stuck wharf]

wtf

how 42

did he 100% the entire map or smthn

[quasi sable]

Guys

Have a question here

Is yinlin sig worth to pull?

[stuck wharf]

it's good

[hollow gorge]

kinda. Especially if you are maining Encore

[stuck wharf]

encore bricked

[hollow gorge]

nah

with swaps she is great

[stuck wharf]

she can keep jinzhou

if a characters best rotation is to swap off them they're bricked

eula moment

[quasi sable]

Well

It's for yinlin obv

In chal team

[edgy cobalt]

encore with yinlin sig gives most dps according to that one cn tierlist lol

in all honesty ion think its the end of the world if you can't get it

[stuck wharf]

most dps but swap off her make it make sense

[quasi sable]

Hmmmm

I don't have encore yet

[edgy cobalt]

most dps if you implement her swap canceling yeah

[stuck wharf]

swap cancel her off the team frfr 😔

[edgy cobalt]

swap lil gurl off team increases team dps by ten folds

[dusk sky]

What device are you guys using to play the game on?

[stuck wharf]

bricked phone

[quasi sable]

Pc

But it still lag af

[stuck wharf]

I don't even lag, I just have insane popin

[edgy cobalt]

craptop but its not that bad

[stuck wharf]

objects don't load til I'm like right in front of them

💀

[edgy cobalt]

I can't imagine doing what I can do on my laptop but on my phone

swap cancelling and all those moves

[stuck wharf]

swap cancelling wouldn't be so bad if the character order didn't get fucked over when you swap

not consistent for some reason

[quasi sable]

I always annoyed when doing the wing challenge

Took me like 3 or 4 tries to get gold

[edgy cobalt]

everyone gets annoyed yeah
idk if its the stuttering or those frame skips that makes me lose a coin on purpose

[rotund drum]

incidentally i just found out you dont have to wait for the echo absorption animation to teleport away

ive been watching it every time like a dumbass lmao

[stuck wharf]

how much er roughly for burst hmc rotations

[edgy cobalt]

decent pull

[edgy cobalt]

I can't give a definite answer so basing off my own experiences I felt that 40-50% energy should suffice (maybe even more)

since I run her at 20% er and it kinda works okay in her normal rotations

[vapid river]

leifa, what's the deal with that misty area that just teleports you back out when you try to go in?

[floral bone]

world quest

[vapid river]

wack

ty though

i'm sure i'll run into it eventually

[stuck wharf]

damn you still haven't done tsurumi island?

[ruby rune]

once we get access to cost 15 max is the ideal
4 4 3 3 1?

cus that is nuts

cr and cdmg 4costs

or is there another 4cost option I'm ofrgetting

[dense elbow]

we... dont get 15 cost do we?

we dont even have 2 4 costs for each set bonus lmfao

some do but not all

[ruby rune]

no I meant like 15 cap

or is 12 the cap?

[neat robin]

I dont think so

[dense elbow]

we'd be calcing with 15 cost if it was possible

afaik its always been 12

[neat robin]

Any guides go 4 3 3 1 1, or 4 4 1 1 1 only

[ruby rune]

icic

I thought we'd reach 15 at some point

[dense elbow]

even if we did most chars wouldnt get to make use of it rly

[neat robin]

Nah cuz then any dps could go cr cdmg dmg%
Eventually (as bosses are added)

[dense elbow]

coz theres not 2 different bosses with fire, ice, spectro, mainstats etc

[ruby rune]

surely we'll get that update

[dense elbow]

eh idt we need it at all

makes 1 costs more useless

effectively no reason to exist then

lol

[ruby rune]

thats what I want

I want to have 70/300 without a crit weapon

[dense elbow]

there are more stats than just crit

crit doesnt always just = good

😔

[knotty fiber]

43311 is the cap

Similar to GI and HSR

Always have 2 inferior pieces

[stuck wharf]

can't hear you, funny number is numbering

what is the point of playing gacha if not to pvp crit builds

[neat robin]

Who needs dmg% moon stuff because its literally all I can find

[rotund drum]

you can stack like a billion dmg% so crit tends to be better

1-costs being ass and most elements only having one 4-cost on-set limits it though

[rotund drum]

i wonder if kusogames will ever release stats on how many people picked the lion fuccboi over the other 5*s

from the selector

[edgy cobalt]

they're praying that jinhsi will be a cracked support for furry boy

I could use one of my selectors rn on him and brick my account meanwhile

[dusk sky]

Building a mfing pc this week

Fuck waiting years for the game to come on the mac app store

Fuck gaming laptops too btw

They’re daylight robbery

[edgy cobalt]

me with a gaming laptop

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-26949640

[dusk sky]

Compared to what u can get from a pc

[dusk sky]

If you got one under 700 no qualms towards you

If u spent anything over a grand for a laptop

…

Sorry man

[rotund drum]

she'll probably be spectro since there's literally no spectro dps other than starter mc lol

[edgy cobalt]

if we're talking usd then

I'm bing chilling

[rotund drum]

also getting a pc is fine but if you're a student or travel a lot then its pain

i built a mini-itx and its still a pain to carry around

[edgy cobalt]

jinhsi being a spectro would be a funny pump fake

[rotund drum]

there's no 5* havoc either

she and changli will probably be one or the other respectively

[edgy cobalt]

she summons blue dragons like jiyan with green dragon so

[rotund drum]

danjin also summons red dragons but shes not pyro

[edgy cobalt]

I'm open to seeing changli being havoc or fusion

[rotund drum]

i dont think kusogames cares

[edgy cobalt]

dark red* dragons

maroon to be specific

[rotund drum]

red is red

[edgy cobalt]

real shit they ain't dragons tho

[rotund drum]

they should really have made havoc purple

since its dark

[edgy cobalt]

or just black

[rotund drum]

then you wouldnt be able to see it

[edgy cobalt]

certified vantablack rep

havoc if it was good

[rotund drum]

im actually considering just building spectro damage verina

bell call sounds good at a glance but 10% more damage is like 5% actual damage for most chars

and it only lasts 3 hits

[stuck wharf]

just dodge

[weary acorn]

Distinction between gens has been just dmg right? Since there's a clear divide on gen 1 and 2 cuz of the timer pauses

[edgy cobalt]

you pulling yinlin or waiting to see if 1.1 kits are good?

[rotund drum]

probably waiting

yinlin looks fun but not super core

[edgy cobalt]

verina does like zero dmg even with spectro dmg you might as well build atk if you're chilling with er

[rotund drum]

aix is like 500% damage is why lol

it'll probably net more damage than a 5% increase for your dps

[edgy cobalt]

oh word, if you actually pull decent results from this then lmk

tbf the healing set gives 15% atk so you're getting 10% dmg and 15% atk

[ornate basalt]

Does Yinlin want Thundering or Tempest

[edgy cobalt]

I'm actually wondering the same thing too but the one with the sword has a long attack animation

last time I checked prydwen they recommend the mech boss

[ornate basalt]

Mech boss is just what she needs for ascension iirc?

[edgy cobalt]

I believe so

[ornate basalt]

Like

Does she actually want the Mech boss as her Q

[fickle kernel]

any discussions for best BP weapon since blade got nerfed?

[edgy cobalt]

I'm gonna go with tempest personally

its likely her best main echo

[ornate basalt]

That's what I'm thinking too yeah

[edgy cobalt]

wdym, like they lowered the values on the blade?

[ornate basalt]

Since Cal also wants to have all the field time in the world

Welp

Time to camp by this bad boy while I do calcs

[edgy cobalt]

hf

[rotund drum]

thats like 10% damage maybe

[ornate basalt]

I mean that's the easy part

[rotund drum]

i think the damage from verina herself makes it up

[ornate basalt]

The hard part is opening the book

And farming all the 3 and 1 cost echoes

[rotund drum]

aix + her regular rotaiton probably nets out to 600-700% damage

for the mdps to net that much from a 10% damage increase they'd have to do 6000% damage total

at any rate i dont have the rsc to build it right now but i might mess with it and then give it to whoever the next limited spectro dps is

[edgy cobalt]

if you can actually make it work then salute

[fickle kernel]

yes, massively nerfed it

granted it was busted as hell before

95% atk and 150% def or smth

[ornate basalt]

[edgy cobalt]

there's no way that's what the sword was before lol

[rotund drum]

its r5 so

[ornate basalt]

96% Atk bonus...

[edgy cobalt]

this is what it is now

[fickle kernel]

yeah

cb2 it was insane

[edgy cobalt]

oh beta2

[ornate basalt]

Does it still double at R5?

[edgy cobalt]

that's fair then

[fickle kernel]

it more than doubles

12% !

[ornate basalt]

That's

Actually p gud too

I thought it was NA / CA DMG% at first and was like nani

Then I read again

[fickle kernel]

i think its probably still the best bp weapon

[edgy cobalt]

+2% per rank up ig
honestly I would still take the sword if you're not going for the 5* standard sword because crit stat moment

sword > rectifier > gauntlet > broadblade > gun imo
first 3 have crit rate stats

[fickle kernel]

i was thinking of taking the gun for the 5* standard selector

[edgy cobalt]

gun and sword from the selector are safe picks
gun especially if you want the best for mort

[fickle kernel]

well

i dnot have mort

[ornate basalt]

...Sigh

I hate this game

[fickle kernel]

but it seems the more futureproof

[ornate basalt]

Do I gamba for CR

[edgy cobalt]

that's like so much echo exp already

[ornate basalt]

I know right

[neat robin]

Nah leave that at 20

[edgy cobalt]

its fodder atp

[neat robin]

Dont be like me

[ornate basalt]

How does this get even worse

Oh wait this is Thundering

Trash

[neat robin]

I have a cdmg hp liberation heavy piece rn & I’m going to 25 praying

Idk why

[edgy cobalt]

I would keep anything that has crit bro

[ornate basalt]

That's

Ok?

Do I gamba the 25

[edgy cobalt]

it is ok

[edgy cobalt]

gamba for 25 and pray its er or crit rate if its a jiyan piece

[fickle kernel]

god i cant wait for stringmaster

[neat robin]

You wanna see my actual new jiyan piece

[edgy cobalt]

sure

[edgy cobalt]

that pseudo perfect if you don't need er

this is mine with the low cd roll

[neat robin]

I run an er 3cost on my jiyan

[knotty fiber]

It's always the RL roll

[edgy cobalt]

actually running 50:190 and I'm relying on my 1 cost to be perfect

[neat robin]

I do want a couple er subs but for early on rn its so much easier to go ER main and grab cr cdmg on subs

Huh
I just got 5 gold echos from a tacet field

Didnt know we could before ul40

Gamble payed off

[edgy cobalt]

real question is how's everyone else in your roster

[neat robin]

I cant even find havoc% pieces to bother upgrading 😭

I killed every one of my wolves today without a havoc%

[knotty fiber]

I got about 15 or 20 havoc% gold pieces

Upgraded them all

All went to salvage machine

[neat robin]

I would take anything rn

Instead I get nothing but dmg% moon pieces

Legit 21 dmg% moon gold echos from the past 3 days that ive locked

What subs am I even looking for on danjin
Cr cdmg er?

[edgy cobalt]

she doesn't need er that much unless you want multiple breather windows for her iframes

[floral bone]

cr cdmg atk% skill% heavy% something like that

[edgy cobalt]

any dmg% is okay on her actually
but you want crit stats obviously

[neat robin]

Time to start levelling my electro pieces more I think
50/170 on cal with only +10-15s

And yinlin is soon…

[ornate basalt]

Are there actually any accessible good weapons for him...

[neat robin]

Feels like no

[ornate basalt]

Man.

[neat robin]

BP one, or standard 5* 😔

[ornate basalt]

Worst come to worst, I'll take the standard weapon at 45 ig

[neat robin]

I need sword & pistol (& probably catalyst) from standard its gonna take a hot minute

[knotty fiber]

wait

@blissful tulip they actually changed more in WZ

it's not biweekly anymore

it's weekly now

[edgy cobalt]

literally on the same boat

running a 3* on jiyan rn lol

maybe I should dump my 5 weapon pulls and pray his weapon comes...

[fickle kernel]

yes

for $10

[ornate basalt]

I don't really wanna buy the BP when idk if I'll keep playing this game tho...

[barren drift]

[fickle kernel]

you wont quit

this game is too good!

game might go into end of service tho no promises

[barren drift]

yeah i really want the broadblade for jiyan but

ill consider to buy when the podcast is ending

[fickle kernel]

i could see myself playing this game for a while

if ZZZ wasnt around the corner...

[barren drift]

me too

oh nah

im skipping zzz hard

[edgy cobalt]

playing genshin hsr and wuwa as your trifecta gacha sounds so ass

[barren drift]

i onl play 2 of those

[edgy cobalt]

same, but my 3rd gacha is r1999 which is very auto friendly

[barren drift]

u're the second person who plays 1999

i know

[neat robin]

R99 is good

[edgy cobalt]

wuwa is just my genshit cope since I have no intentions to come back after quitting in inazuma

[barren drift]

i got so tired of genshin daillies and artifacts so i just quit during furina

[edgy cobalt]

based

[neat robin]

Artifact grind is shit in 99% of gachas though

The other 1% doesnt use rng gear

[edgy cobalt]

that's where r1999 comes in

[barren drift]

just like ptn

mostly rely on skill levels and crimebrands

[edgy cobalt]

summoners war was my first glimpse of gear farming that sets my standards on how hard it is to get gear in a gacha game

even with their gimmicks to make rune rolling easier its still harder than any form of gearing farming mhy has implemented in their games imo

[barren drift]

never played the game

[edgy cobalt]

its a pvp gacha after all so it'll be hard to catch up to a fair degree where you can deem yourself competent

game's been out for more than a decade iirc

[barren drift]

ah this reminds me of kings raid

the game had a gearing system similar to genshin but its mostly time gated to farm artifacts

like there is a fixed time to do domains for the gears

good thing is there's a "guarantee" mechanice

[edgy cobalt]

so its like genshin's day to day timegate for mats but more serious?

is it like "you can only farm this gear between those hours" instead of days

[barren drift]

no its like 1 domain takes a few mins to complete, its similar to expeditions

u leave it and u do other tasks

and u can do 200x domains / expedition

i honestly loved the game but the devs killed it

[edgy cobalt]

this was my favourite gacha till nexon literally shut it down

[barren drift]

looks so old

[edgy cobalt]

mid 2010s gacha

a recent one I've played was the global release of disgaea rpg but they also shut it down

had some nutty luck too

[barren drift]

seems like most new gachas are just quick cash grabs now

ive seen some azur promillia

i might try it

[night mantle]

anyone knows how much ul exp is needed on 37,38 and 39 lvls?

[night mantle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1liKAACsG0QIwTdHwHnYU748jBJnACKXu_nd7GjKQkx0/edit#gid=1981604780

[rigid shore]

GUYS I DID IT

Charcoal so fun to use man

[blissful tulip]

Sort of wish shinies weren't predetermined, makes them a lot less special

[frank timber]

its difficult asf

i need calcharo for this

[knotty fiber]

Now you know the 3rd one

[blissful tulip]

Fourth here

[waxen bane]

agreed but they arent there all the time so

[storm needle]

how are they determined? havent found one yet

[blissful tulip]

They have a pretermined location every few days depending on the server

EU has the chasm guardian today, for example

While Asia had theirs yesterday in the same location

Or one of the other two servers

[storm needle]

oh yeah less special for sure

[quasi sable]

Have a question here

[blissful tulip]

There are only about 9-10 shinies in total

[quasi sable]

When I can use resin and where should I them?

[blissful tulip]

At the moment, it's most optimal to use Resin at a later UL despite the low difference in rewards, assuming you're close to UL40

[quasi sable]

So at 40 huh

And where should I use them?

[blissful tulip]

Regarding where, it's best to focus on your levels and talents first prior to echoes

As they do not take too long to finalise

After you're done with those, you focus on tacet fields until the next level cap

Assuming you want slightly more rewards from the current abyss cycle, you can make an argument about rushing to 40, but for optimal resources, best to wait

[quasi sable]

So I should save the condensed until at 40 and priorities units then echoes?

[blissful tulip]

Yes, as echoes is a much longer and less guaranteed grind

[quasi sable]

Aight

I don't think I need electro echoes

Cuz I keep grinding on those

[storm needle]

+they said they might improve echoexp grind

[blissful tulip]

Emphasis on the might

Realistically you won't have much else to farm regardless

[quasi sable]

Rn need to focus on leveling db

[storm needle]

just level 1 of good main stat for the 2-4 chars sofar

[blissful tulip]

God I wish I could get an electro dmg% or atk% on the atk sonata

[quasi sable]

My db at 18 rn

[quasi sable]

I actually only need one electro dmg

The fucking purple bird didn't drop it

I keep farm them for hours

And none of them has electro

[storm needle]

i took that from the web event but its substat trash

[quasi sable]

Is the event still available?

[storm needle]

probsbly. only atk%

[knotty fiber]

I would say if you already had talents upgraded before reaching UL40 then no need to farm more talent mats

cuz UL40 isn't unlocking the branches yet

[quasi sable]

I mean

[knotty fiber]

only the main talents

[quasi sable]

You want 3 teams right?

[knotty fiber]

not at the moment

[hollow gorge]

I would suggest building a single generalist echo set, that you would switch between your DPSes. For that you get enough Echo XP and tuners from in-game sources. So mostly before UL40 you would want to lvl up characters and weapons and learn skill lvls on you characters

[quasi sable]

2 teams?

[knotty fiber]

you're very unlikely to 30* atm

so only 2 teams

[quasi sable]

Aight

After electro

Farming for hmc

[blissful tulip]

At UL40 you unlock the second talent

Buffs Ling Yang quite significantly, as well as Chixia and others

[knotty fiber]

it's asc5

[quasi sable]

How tf this mc has large burst dmg

[blissful tulip]

It's asc4

[quasi sable]

Like argenti

[knotty fiber]

are the branch stats asc5 then

I don't rmb

need to checkj

[quasi sable]

What set does mortefi use?

[knotty fiber]

ER

[quasi sable]

Aight

[quasi sable]

Does he prefer er or fusion dmg?

[knotty fiber]

sub dps = ER set
healer = healer set

[knotty fiber]

quicker than HSR and GI then

[blissful tulip]

Not really, you also get the second passive at level 70

[knotty fiber]

1 ER 1 fusion I would say

[blissful tulip]

Only in HSR you're locked behind max ascension

[quasi sable]

Aight

I think that's it

Does danjin prefer atk or hp?

[knotty fiber]

why would she want HP

[quasi sable]

Cuz she use hp?

[storm needle]

goat healer danjin

[knotty fiber]

all of her stuffs uses atk

[blissful tulip]

None of Danjin's attacks scale off HP

As a matter of fact, I don't believe anyone scales off HP

[knotty fiber]

she just spends HP to heal big af dmg

[storm needle]

heal self for team buff for self to combo into healing self

[knotty fiber]

Baizhi

[kind turtle]

she wants HP like arle wants HP

[quasi sable]

I see

[blissful tulip]

In regards to atk

Not in regards to healing/shield

[quasi sable]

Is uh

Who's the old man in blue?

I forgor

[knotty fiber]

Yuanwu?

[quasi sable]

Ye him

[blissful tulip]

Yuanwu, he's out def scaler of the game

[quasi sable]

Is he good?

[blissful tulip]

Not worth invetsing in imo

But there is one advantage to him

[storm needle]

idk he showed up in the main story cutscene for no reason. not sure hes real

[blissful tulip]

He's a fantastic cheese for ToA Aix side

As the buffs affect him significantly more for some reason

[quasi sable]

I see

[knotty fiber]

btw for HRover

[blissful tulip]

But otherwise, it's best to invest in others

[knotty fiber]

some ppl think their main dmg is from ult

but it's not

they use almost everything in their kit

EBA hits hard af

[knotty fiber]

the nuke is big but it's not everything

[blissful tulip]

EBA also takes significantly more field time, in Danjin teams, HRover's general use is to switch in and use their nuke cycle

[quasi sable]

Hmc just need usual right?

Crit havoc havoc atk atk

[knotty fiber]

yes

[blissful tulip]

And Danjin's on field does more in comparison to Rover's on field, despite Rover's strengths

[quasi sable]

Do you have to spam danjin skill?

[knotty fiber]

Danjin doesn't get a buff from Rover tho and Rover gets a buff from Danjin

havoc dmg deepen

[blissful tulip]

No, she utilizes both BA and Skill

Has a few combos of her own depending on the enemy's aggressiveness

[kind turtle]

danjin's buff from rover is dreamless

[knotty fiber]

nope

tested

not affected by Rover's ult

[kind turtle]

bruh

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

It should be, folks have tested it themselves

[knotty fiber]

Rover ulting won't increase Danjin's dreamless dmg

[frank timber]

[knotty fiber]

I tested it a few hours ago

so I'm pretty sure it's not

[blissful tulip]

Did they patch it? That would be very disappointing

[quasi sable]

Wait

Yinlin will be released on June 6th right?

[kind turtle]

yeah

[frank timber]

yeah

[quasi sable]

How come jiyan banner still said 8 days left?

[kind turtle]

they are overlapping

[quasi sable]

Huh

[knotty fiber]

I hate

using dreamless

because it has camera lock

can't rotate during the cast

and sometimes the last hit yeets me miles away

[quasi sable]

Then use crownless

[knotty fiber]

nah crownless is

💀

oh my god

the camera lock makes my recording useless

cuz I can't see Danjin's dreamless dmg

[frank timber]

pretty sure u can switch character while Dreamless is still attacking, to save time

[knotty fiber]

yeah I can

[frank timber]

alr alr

[kind turtle]

yeah damage is the same before or after hMC ult bruh

[blissful tulip]

Did they patch it??

Was very much a thing a few days ago

[frank timber]

wtf??

god pls no

[knotty fiber]

I think they didn't patch it, ppl just tested the wrong way?

since I also tested it a few days ago

and it never buffed Danjin's

[quasi sable]

What's sanhua role?

[blissful tulip]

Quite the exp requirement

[blissful tulip]

Sub dps/basic attack buffer

[quasi sable]

And what set should she use?

[blissful tulip]

Good for multiple characters, but best for Encore + Ling Yang

[quasi sable]

Does she need glacio dps or no?

Ah ok

Two things that I don't have

[blissful tulip]

Sanhua is good as a general sub dps but it's preferable to invest in other supports if you do not own LY/Encore

[frank timber]

oh hell nah

[blissful tulip]

You can invest her for on-field HRover

[frank timber]

Rovers ult didn't buff Danjin's dreamless

[blissful tulip]

If you find Danjin difficult to play

[frank timber]

[quasi sable]

I see

Cuz like

[blissful tulip]

Don't think I have the exp for UL40 , maybe I'll spend the rest of my caskets tomorrow

[quasi sable]

My main team is chal Jianxhin and Verina

Then hmc baizhi and mortefi

[blissful tulip]

Mortefi is Calcharo's second best teammate until Yinlin in two days

[quasi sable]

Hmmmm

[blissful tulip]

From what I've heard, at least, could be Sanhua as well

[quasi sable]

Idk what team should I build

[knotty fiber]

the game keeps getting memory leak

[blissful tulip]

Are you planning on Yinlin?

[knotty fiber]

💀

[quasi sable]

Yessir

Vera expy

[blissful tulip]

Then invest in the Calcharo team for third side, and the HRover team for 1st side

You likely won't have the DPS to clear the second side for some time

[quasi sable]

What's hrover team then?

[blissful tulip]

HRover, Sanhua/Danjin, Baizhi

[quasi sable]

Dual dps?

[blissful tulip]

In Danjin teams, HRover's playstyle turns into more of a nuker

[quasi sable]

Which one is better

[blissful tulip]

Whichever you prefer

[quasi sable]

Hmmmm

This is hard

[blissful tulip]

Danjin is not the easiest character to play and can die very easily if you're not careful with her HP

[frank timber]

tested it, the damage changed

[quasi sable]

I think danjin then

Cuz my danjin is kinda invested

[frank timber]

actually hold on

rip wait.. i think they patched it

gotta do another test run

[blissful tulip]

You are mid game, investment doesn't hurt as much as it does lategame

See how Sanhua plays for you as well, maybe you'll be more comfortable with her playstyle

[quasi sable]

I mean

You have to time her wave right?

[blissful tulip]

Yes, are you good at rhythm?

[quasi sable]

I am, but not with the choppy performance

[blissful tulip]

Fair enough, then Danjin should be easier for you

[quasi sable]

Okay

Thanks

[blissful tulip]

Any time

[knotty fiber]

if the dmg only slightly change then it's a test error

[knotty fiber]

this is perfect condition test

[frank timber]

man, i need to improve Jiyan more

got these 3 at least

[quasi sable]

That chirpuff is absolutely disgusting

[frank timber]

all low rolls, not complaning tho

[quasi sable]

Doesn't matter, you got the subs right

[small bronze]

when do we get the new banner?

[lament shuttle]

38 hours from now

[rotund drum]

hopefully the new banner saves electro

[rigid shore]

Charcoal is goat

[rotund drum]

hes just diluc but without vape

[barren drift]

nice 10 pull

[small bronze]

yooo wtf yuanwu attacks are so dope

i heard people trash talk him but he not only looks cool but the animations

[rotund drum]

hes just some old guy

if you want old chinese guys you can play romance of the three kingdoms xi

[small bronze]

did you see his anims though the kicks and the hat throw

to each their own

[rotund drum]

i dont use male 4*s unless they're really busted

the game already has enough generic taekwondo fighters though

china and korea love their martial artist mmo class

[small bronze]

i dont care if a character is good or not you can make any character viable in games like this

and it doesent have to be used in tower when you have plenty characters

i can use him when i explore or do anything else really

[frank timber]

this hologram memphis bro..

mf gave me a headache

[rotund drum]

we dont have enough rsc at this stage of the game to justify building meme chars

gotta prioritize top tiers if you want those tower primogems before reset

[cobalt cobalt]

Ugh wuwa is having connection issues for me

Only wuwa

Is wuwa down or something?

This is the only game I’m having issues with rn

[small bronze]

im not gonna build him yet thats not what im saying but definitely will after i have 3 teams built

game works for me

perfectly

[cobalt cobalt]

Ughh

[small bronze]

im on pc if that matters, eu

[cobalt cobalt]

I’m on mobile

Ok it seems to be working now

Not to jinx it

That was so weird

Shit

It’s happening again

For what purpose

And again

Asked my friends apparently I’m not the only one having this issue

[oak copper]

@dense elbow I got another weirdly unhinged reroll Acc that it makes me start to wonder if the game's seeding is a little sketchy

[cobalt cobalt]

What’s sketchy is the odds on jianxin

[barren drift]

are ui still rerolling

[dense elbow]

[cobalt cobalt]

People said there’s a 50% chance you get lion boy on the beginner banner but I don’t believe it I haven’t gotten him once

I’ve gotten jianxin 5/7 times

Or was it 5/6

[oak copper]

I have an UL36 Acc, so I was pretty much playing normally, just went for it another time when I didn't have anything else to do yesterday for the memes with the added extra compensation

[oak copper]

I have more 5* sequences on this Acc than 4* sequences at the moment

[lament shuttle]

UL38 today

[ruby rune]

FINALLY FREE FROM ACADS

[dense elbow]

💀

[ruby rune]

time to spend all waveplates

[dense elbow]

Oh yeah jinhsi and changli wanters, there was a very sussy leak earlier today

[barren drift]

[dense elbow]

Lemme get on pc and can pin but its very sussy

Tldr tho jinhsi spectro changli fusion from some possible leaked dev image

[oak copper]

How does Calcharo-Jiyan-Calcharo-Jiyan-LingYang in 40 Pulls sounds to you?

[barren drift]

well changli looked fusion from the start

[dense elbow]

Jesus christ

Bro got everything

[oak copper]

If I did I'd already be set on taking this acc but beginner Banner was Calcharo aswell

[lament shuttle]

You just need to dolphin yourself to 3 more jiyan copies and buy the last 2 copies in the shop