・wuwa-lounge

[winged belfry]

You know what?

I might macro this

[dense elbow]

trust me you dont need to

its REALLY easy

you just mash T

i rebound it to my side button coz T is in an awkward spot when doing it with danjin

[vapid river]

[dense elbow]

if youve seen ppl doing smth similar with the levitator

this is the same thing but better

[vapid river]

i'm going to guess all my new salted rerolls from today won't be getting these

painge

[dense elbow]

coz camera cancels have no CD and cancel in a slightly different way

levitator stops all momentum and movement when cancelling

but camera just makes you stop sprinting

so its just better in every way coz of the no CD vs 1s CD too

[neat robin]

So thats not doable on mobile

I’m guessing

[dense elbow]

i believe levitator works on mobile?

[neat robin]

The wheel is not combat friendly like a keyboard/mouse

[dense elbow]

you dont need the wheel

you just equip it

and try to use it

[neat robin]

Hm

[dense elbow]

apparently camera doesnt work on mobile but levitator does

maybe theres a way to use camera i dont play mobile

[neat robin]

Apparebtly I havent looked at these

Theres casket finders

Ive prob had these in storage since first day

Yeah idk

Camera takes mid-combat photos

Attack - levitator - attack does nothing

[dense elbow]

zoom camera is what im using

none of them just cancel your attack entirely

its only the endlag

jumpscare

[vapid river]

all the chests

[neat robin]

Yeah zoom camera just greys out. Cant tap it at all

[dense elbow]

annoying

guess levitator only

on PC the zoom camera is also greyed out but it still does smth when you cant use it

just try running and then pressing the zoom camera

out of combat

should sasy like "cant take a photo rn" and stop you sprinting

[neat robin]

Nope. Nothing, doesnt say anything or stop sprint

[dense elbow]

sad 😔

stuck with levitator

[neat robin]

I just got a cracked gorilla from that test though

[dense elbow]

🔥

[neat robin]

Cant finish upgrading

[dense elbow]

holy

grats

fkn perfect jiyan piece basically

[neat robin]

Oh I can eat this old piece actually

10.9% atk sub…

[dense elbow]

holy

lucky mf

😭

[dense elbow]

💀

god i hate you give me that shit

😭

[neat robin]

Does have sig though

[dense elbow]

still very nicege

[neat robin]

Aero ER atk atk

Worth it

Not ulting sucks

[knotty fiber]

💀 why is this channel in theorycrafting

[dense elbow]

answered that in a convo around here ish

[neat robin]

Is yinlin electro or moon 5pc for subdps

[winged belfry]

Electro subdps

[neat robin]

Flautist?

[dense elbow]

id say tempest still for now

flautist got hard nerfed

[winged belfry]

Void Thunder

[dense elbow]

she swaps in and off field quite frequently

so i woudlnt go calling her a subdps

but she wants 5pc electro

[neat robin]

I have barely enough electro for cal

I’ll farm cr tempest tomorrow ig
Not sure if I’ll try to get her sig or not. Heard its pretty universal?

[dense elbow]

its very good for encore yeah

the condition is pretty universal tho

im tempted for it

idk tho

i rly wanna see 1.1 kits 😭

[winged belfry]

Yeah me too

I expect Jinsi to be Glacio Basic attacker

[dense elbow]

atm shes still electro sword but

we'll see

no fkn client

[winged belfry]

Electro?

[dense elbow]

mhm

[winged belfry]

Didn't expect that

[dense elbow]

only info we have on her rn

electro sword

[winged belfry]

Sword for sure

[dense elbow]

and changli has fkn nothing lol

welp 4.45am i should probably sleep

[vapid river]

changli gonna be spectro

gn leifa

[dense elbow]

she has stuff describing her with flames so

probably fusion

but no clue

[vapid river]

wack

[rigid shore]

what echo for calchar

[timid sierra]

https://www.prydwen.gg/wuthering-waves/characters/calcharo

[fickle kernel]

this is so sick and twisted

its not even rate up

r4 THE BELL

[neat robin]

Thats the def blade?

[fickle kernel]

yes

[neat robin]

Felt

[fickle kernel]

jinhsi def scaling claymore SURELY

[edgy cobalt]

big iftrue

[neat robin]

Theres like 20 def blades and guantlets

Wheres the atk

[fickle kernel]

so

did they move up the banner bc they need money

is it that grim

[rigid shore]

isnt the thing that charcoal do an intro skill? or outro?

the one where he goes bladie

[timid sierra]

wdym

[rigid shore]

nvm its an outro skill

[timid sierra]

calcharo has cinematics for his intro and for his ult

[rigid shore]

oh

[timid sierra]

and his outro is just he simul attacks with the next character on field

[timid sierra]

the intro skill is a cinematic animation, and he attacks

his outro has no cinematic, you just swap to a different person when you have full concerto energy and he will attack while you have someone else on field

[rigid shore]

why would this be useful then

[vapid river]

@dense elbow

so glad i went through all the accounts that had either jiyan or the sig weapon

[timid sierra]

shit ton of attack

and his outro skill does a decent amount of damage

[rigid shore]

oh i see

[vapid river]

lamenting the fact that it has little lion boy

but i can live with it

[dense elbow]

Its moreso coz mech abom is electro dmg and considered outro dmg

And takes literally 0 time to cast

So its just free dmg

[dense elbow]

🔥

[vapid river]

after ~50 rerolls

😭

[dense elbow]

😭 have u even started playing??

[vapid river]

i have that level 30 eu account

[dense elbow]

Ah yeah

[vapid river]

okay it was 50+

fuck me

no wonder my left writst hurts so fucking much

😭

i couldn't even drive with it

[dense elbow]

💀

Go rest that shit

[vapid river]

i have to catch up to story

😭

didn't they move up their story/yinlin banner by like a month

[barren drift]

reroll randy

[burnt brook]

Gimme

[barren drift]

its only 1 week

[rigid shore]

ohhh

is mech abom better than flautist for him?

[dense elbow]

Flautist is pretty scam

It got nerfed hard and the description is now wrong

Rn he runs tempest mephis if on electro set

[vapid river]

it lasts for all of .2 seconds

😭

[dense elbow]

3 hits 3 concerto

Rather than 10

[vapid river]

like when i was trying to swap cancel

it would disappear

before my next person came out

[dense elbow]

Yeah its just shit now lol

Got nerfed hard and didnt update the desc

[rigid shore]

damn alright

[rigid shore]

mother

[rigid shore]

[fickle kernel]

so after i hit databank 17 do i just spam farm dreamless and mech abom

is that my life now

[rotund drum]

monkey for jianyan too obv

and rider for encore

just get whichever one matches the char you're building

most elements only have one option

[rigid shore]

yes

coz farming elites is a pain

[fickle kernel]

can u roll the same substat as the mainstat in this game

[fickle kernel]

whos jianyan...

[rigid shore]

seems like it

[barren drift]

yes

[rigid shore]

jenshin and jingyuan

[fickle kernel]

HUH

[rigid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-jianxin-anime-game-gif-3945152152526427043

https://tenor.com/view/jiyan-jiyan-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-wuwa-gif-7116194307872458272

[fickle kernel]

ok jiyan is banned from this acc

but hope i get other girl

[coral pond]

Today really went
To Kuro: "Whoah, really?!"
To Hoyo: "Wow...really..?"

[small bronze]

what lvl you get the BP weapon choice?

ah its 30

[hollow viper]

mech abom isnt used on anyone currently

as their main echo

[keen aspen]

guys i wanna build a second team for the tower. First 3 are on 1st team, rover and calcahro are just levelled, not buiit. ( i will be trying to pull for yinlin but not sure if ill win the 50 50)

[blissful tulip]

Rover, Baizhi + almost anyone, with Danjin being preferable

If you win 50/50 on Yinlin, then Calcharo, Yinlin, Baizhi

[dapper oar]

hes almost complete

[barren drift]

wdym almost

bro has 83

cr

😭

did u 44 111?

[rigid shore]

no set bonus went full 4 4 4

That already looks like endgame crit ratio

[dapper oar]

no its 4 33 11

[rigid shore]

Whattttt

[dapper oar]

i bought autumntrace bcs it seems like theyre not gonna release any good f2p broadblade so

the crit rate is higher than what it looks like i guess

[rigid shore]

Do u have verina buff? Im p sure she gave some crit rate

[dapper oar]

nop

heres my uhh echoes

i just need one more good 1C echo for him

[vapid river]

damn, all 5 with cr though

love to see it

[dapper oar]

[blissful tulip]

Maybe I'll get the 5* pistol instead

[karmic crag]

chixia enjoyer?

[blissful tulip]

Very much so

She's stronger than I thought

Especially her ult

[karmic crag]

oh shit

thats great to hear

and hella based

might give her a try then

[rigid shore]

she's fun to use

better than lingyang

[karmic crag]

the bar is in hell

ah, btw @blissful tulip what set and boss echo should she use

inferno rider?

[blissful tulip]

She should use inferno rider, but if you have one with better substats, should use a summonable echo instead

[karmic crag]

[blissful tulip]

In my case, I use the Saurian

As Aix does nothing but waste time

[karmic crag]

ahh gotcha

tysm

🤝

[knotty fiber]

💀 what are those mixing

[keen aspen]

will the pity carry over to yinlins banner?

[rigid shore]

not genshin so ofc not

||im kidding||

[knotty fiber]

yes

[blissful tulip]

Good substats

Besides, at least I have 2pc atk

As well as grinding being a pain

[dapper oar]

those two flats arent great but whatevs

hes done i just need to lvl him up and talents lmao

[barren drift]

i hate it here

[kind turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1d71zhr/hate_to_be_that_guy_but/?share_id=_a818qFC8ECsJSNkZpSWS&utm_name=androidcss

[sacred owl]

Giving en players false hope for nothing

Reminds me another thread yesterday where people were salivating at the amount of resin they had saved for this buff

[blissful tulip]

That's unfortunate

Suppose I'll continue spending on Tacet Fields, then

But that is quite the mistranslation

[lament shuttle]

Deleted what did it say

[kind turtle]

the EN increase to all echo mat drops was a mistranslation, and the CN only said during Events

[hollow gorge]

erm, when I read it, from the phrasing of it I thought the additional mats will drop during only the event time. So is there gonna be no drops at all or what?

why the hell did they delete the post

[lament shuttle]

We can just read the actual msg no

[kind turtle]

is the EN

[lament shuttle]

Yeah so rage bait

[hollow gorge]

yeah, but it's not connected to the third paragraph about Tacit Fields

[kind turtle]

i cant see the CN, but apparently it's 4. 在1.1及后续版本活动中，增加声骸以及声骸养成材料的奖励

[night mantle]

man wolves are the easiest to farm, try farming flautist, its the worse

[hollow gorge]

I read it like they will just improve the situation overall, not specifically with Tacit Field drops

[kind turtle]

overall should include tacet fields

[lament shuttle]

Idrc if they don’t improve them, if instead the mats required are cut in half it’s the same thing

[hollow gorge]

Not necessarily, that's just "want to believe"

[night mantle]

yeah, either increase drops or reduce cost

[knotty fiber]

actually 3

cuz he doesn't hab RL dmg

[hollow gorge]

Moreover, that would be strange, if they wanted to improve Tacet Fields longterm, why would they introduce a short term event that does exactly the same

[lament shuttle]

Well it’s easier to double the Rewards in the short term and then develop a longer term fix

[hollow gorge]

I mean, eh, I guess I understood what they wanted to say correctly

[kind turtle]

"the yield of echoes and echo development materials will be increased" really sounds like it is overall

vs the cn specifically saying events

plus the main TLDR on the subreddit

[hollow gorge]

kinda. But that would be impractical, because those people who already spent their resin on these Tacet Fields would feel cheated

it's better to add more additional sources in the future

or improve it some other way, which I think is what they are going to do?

[kind turtle]

adding a double event is normal, see hoyo games (the main inspiration)
researching what's a reasonable drop increase takes time, so it would have to start in 1.1

[lament shuttle]

The double event is one week before the next patch

[night mantle]

yeah, in the end they want you to atleast spend some money on the game

[hollow gorge]

yes, but if they were to permanently improve Tacet Fields, that would be a completely different thing

[lament shuttle]

I think you’re gonna be locked into doing tacet fields either way

[night mantle]

for tubes and tuners yeah

[lament shuttle]

Like I don’t have 17 days of waveplates usage for farming non echo mats ahead of me

[hollow gorge]

that's not the point, they can't improve it, because many people have already spent significant amount of resources on Tacet Fields. That would be giving an advantage to people who for some reason held off their resin

[lament shuttle]

Even tho that’s technically the most efficient use

[night mantle]

but didn't they just gave 1200 resin as compensation for the problems?

[lament shuttle]

Your resin can’t be saved indefinitely anyway

[hollow gorge]

but it can be spent in other way. Say, if people knew this event was coming, they would be more likely to spend resin in a different way

[kind turtle]

well now they do

[lament shuttle]

I feel like it’s nbd since the game has legit been out for <15 days ?

It’s not a competitive game

[kind turtle]

the double echo event was also announced at the start of patch

[hollow gorge]

it's not, but it is. For those, who would be doing minmaxing or trying to optimize their resin spending

[lament shuttle]

Like I’m glad they’re improving the system

[lament shuttle]

Those people would have known that union lvl increase means better rewards from tacet fields and therefore would have delayed they’re use of waveplates on them as much as possible

[hollow gorge]

I missed that. What it involves?

[kind turtle]

https://vxtwitter.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1793476949635182928

[hollow gorge]

maybe, maybe not. Union increase at UL40 was long way off, and at UL30 many would have started 5* echo farm as well as Tacet Field farm for echo exp and sub rolls

[lament shuttle]

I mean if your argument is maybe maybe not then you can’t really argue that they get shafted in decision making if they couldn’t even figure out optimal resource usage

[hollow gorge]

anyway, I think it was wishful thinking on EN community part for the most part to interpret the update from devs the way they did. The update definitely could have been worded better

[kind turtle]

ul40 also isnt necessarily better in drops

[hollow gorge]

it's not necessarily optimal. Getting better echoes earlier could be more optimal

[kind turtle]

i've spent a lot of resin on tacet fields, but increasing it in 1.1 is just a win

[lament shuttle]

I just don’t see how there’s any room for complaint

[hollow gorge]

nobody is complaining

[kind turtle]

idc about the investment i've done now being weaker than 1.1 would be

i got my encore build now

[small obsidian]

scars such a cutie patootie i wish they brought his thingy back

his original design

[kind turtle]

onigiri

[small obsidian]

xactly

[hollow gorge]

his magical wand

[small obsidian]

🤤

[hollow gorge]

imo, good riddance. Definitely better now, though I really wonder who have been so intent on looking at his crotch to notice anything lmao

[small obsidian]

absolutely not

it was beautiful

it was expressive

everything about him is a work of art

you need to look into your heart bro

embrace your true self

once you love yourself, you can appreciate the beauty known to mankind as scar wuthering waves

[hollow gorge]

please go and check Roland in PGR, who is a piece of art. I hope Scar will eventually grow up to be around Rolands expressiveness

[small obsidian]

if i wanted to hear a mf named roland talk i'd rewatch diary of a whimpy kid thank you

wait

ykw

hes kinda cute

where do i download pgr.

@hollow gorge

i want him

[hollow gorge]

you have one try to guess

[small obsidian]

errr

epic games

LMFAOOO

[hollow gorge]

hmm, is Epic Games actually go-to nowadays?

[small obsidian]

i mean genshins on it now 😭

and overwatch is on steam of all things too

wait

pgr is kuro games

[hollow gorge]

no, it's a Kuro game, so it would be on their website

[small obsidian]

its a kuro game !?

[hollow gorge]

well, Roland was sort of a whimp at the start there too, but he developed pretty well as a character rather soon

[small obsidian]

any other cute twinks

[hollow gorge]

you are playing genshin, why do you need any more twinks

[small obsidian]

listen

thoma kaveh cyno ayato gorou kazuha xiao albedo tartaglia venti isnt enough

same with blade dan heng and aventurine i need more

honorable mention to luka i guess

[hollow gorge]

how could you forget about xingqiu, chong and bennett? They are the ultimate twinks

[small obsidian]

i like my twinks over 20

which i assume kazuha is seeing as the drinking age in jpn is 21, not too sure about the rest

[graceful jetty]

those three are defo not legal

maybe xq is

[graceful jetty]

you also did NOT just try to pass off ayato as a twink

[small obsidian]

i'd assume cyno/gorou are above 20 seeing as they both are generals

[hollow gorge]

imagine putting imaginary characters into a legal system, ehh, whatever

[small obsidian]

any mans a twink if you cope hard enough

i was gonna list itto for the funnies

[graceful jetty]

bennett and chongyun both literally behave as kids

[hollow gorge]

I am still wondering, why this is so bad. Not only the buff is mediocre, but it is behind two requirements, lmao

[small obsidian]

i like them old, as old as possible

blade and dan heng for instance

[graceful jetty]

i'm sorry I just can't see them that way

[small obsidian]

they are cute, in the way klee/nahida /etc are cute lol

i feel bad for them though being a genshin character always means they have trauma 😭

(except klee i guess, she's living her best life)

[hollow gorge]

it is possible she got concussioned multiple times and she also has a trauma which she doesn't remember anymore

[graceful jetty]

[small obsidian]

from all the bombs? probably

oo who did you guys pick for the 5 star selector

[hollow gorge]

no one, but if you don't have verina yet, pick her

[small obsidian]

i picked encore because she's so cute and my friend mains her

[small obsidian]

oh i got lingyang then verina on beginners

[stuck wharf]

if you pick verina your accounts bricked

[small obsidian]

only characters i'm missing are calcharo and yinlin

[hollow gorge]

encore is good

[small obsidian]

i got jiyan first 10 pull then his weapon first 10 pull im blessed i fear

[hollow gorge]

that's the twinks' blessing I guess

[kind turtle]

encore is goat

[hollow gorge]

jiyan is around 20-something btw

[small obsidian]

true (i cant pick this drop up) (nvm i got it with nahida sprint)

[hollow gorge]

25+

[kind turtle]

smart wuwa players get yinlin's wep for encore

[small obsidian]

oh yeah he's old

[hollow gorge]

wait, I thought that was your sweet spot

[small obsidian]

oh yeah hes old (in a good way)

love my pookie jiyan

[hollow gorge]

definitely better to first roll for wep then for Yinlin

[barren drift]

man

[small obsidian]

i only have 2 four star catalyst weapons in wuwa

one increases healing with heavy attacks (thats onverina)

one increases energy gain and is on encore because i have nothing else lol

[barren drift]

i got 4 jinzhou keepers lmao

[small obsidian]

omgg 😭

[barren drift]

i still have my 4* selector

[small obsidian]

im only like union lvl 20 though so i havent grinded mostly

i picked the 4* sword for rover

[small obsidian]

nicee

[rotund drum]

jinzhou keepers are nice

kusogames seems to default to rectifier for any char with a weapon type that isnt super generic

[kind turtle]

they're a keeper

[rotund drum]

here's a char who uses puppets to fight, make it a rectifier

whip, rectifier

stand, rectifier

taekwondo, rectifier

[kind turtle]

spear, broadsword

and jianxin is gauntlets

[hollow gorge]

and this is why all the characters I play have swords?

[kind turtle]

its because sword and broadsword are the same thing 😭

[hollow gorge]

I mean, Kuro didn't want to make them ALL wield rectifiers

so they decided to do the obvious thing, and give swords

somehow they managed to avoid a spear archetype, which is supposed to be a bread and butter of wuxia?

[kind turtle]

puppets
plant magic
whip
ice pet

[hollow gorge]

I still wonder why they went for chinese vibes but didn't make them all wield spears

not that I am complaining, thanks god they didn't

but it would be consistent of them

[kind turtle]

they did a mondstadt

[hollow gorge]

nah, the setting and world building is not it

[rotund drum]

they probably ran out of money paying interns to play genshit looking for stuff to rip off

[hollow gorge]

damn, rich interns got themselves setup for life

[rotund drum]

theres a lot of content to rip off

even genshit just rips off stuff from other popular franchies

[hollow gorge]

ermm... yes. Like artifacts. What else hmm? Commisions? No... hmmm... coop?

[rotund drum]

japanese guy named kazuha kiryu

cyborg samurai named sam

[small obsidian]

kazuha from le sserafim

https://tenor.com/view/kazuha-nakamura-nakamura-kazuha-lesserafim-abs-gif-26934602

[hollow gorge]

damn, Kuro forgot to ripoff the kettle. The true endgame

[small obsidian]

if overwatch gets a le sserafim collab can genshin get one too and we have a kazuha skin where he's kazuha

[hollow gorge]

honestly, I need my flower patches in Wuwa

to grow some shrooms

[rotund drum]

artifacts with rng substat rolls but you just want cr/cd/er

level up an early game mechanic to raise stamina cap and it caps at 240

find glowy things around the map to trade to an npc for rewards

starter banner is a kinda ok dps who ends up being worse than the starter 5*s but everyone gets baited by the 4 stars on his banner anyway

klee

[hollow gorge]

that was sarcasm. Meaning, there isn't really much content in Genshin (excluding open world with decent puzzles and exploration), and Wuwa somehow took the worst parts of it.

tbh, I never noticed, but exploration in Wuwa is meh. Like there is nothing that catches your eye from afar that makes you want to go there ASAP. Like the shroomtree is the only case and it wasn't really that interesting

but maybe I am wrong

the floating buildings on the horizon definitely caught my eye

we just can't go there

[rotund drum]

at least you can skip the quest gate dialogues for the new zones

i havent done the new midlecchino zone in genshit yet because the npcs keep talking at me

[hollow gorge]

I am sort of an oldschool guy, I like when quests take us places

[rotund drum]

i dont mind when there's a quest to unlock parts of the map

i just dont want to have to read it

the midlecchino thing was like plz go to this underwater dungeon to get her ascension mat

BUT FIRST HERE'S AN UNSKIPPABLE TEN MINUTE LONG CUTSCENE ABOUT WHATEVER SHIT

[hollow gorge]

tbh, Genshin is not doing open world properly either, but whatever

[rotund drum]

relink had a good open world

not open enough to actually be annoying but open enough to be worth looking around

and then endgame is just monhun

you can play as knights and angels too

unlike genshit where you pay $100 to pull the local bartender

[hollow gorge]

Diluc is not a bartender

or wait, it's Diano

[blissful tulip]

The traversal saves it at times, tbf, everything flows together very well

I like both traversals despite Genshin's feeling stiff as long as the exploration accommodates as such, and I believe both games do it well in their own ways

[craggy wave]

does anyone have any idea what tempest mephis cancel means?

[blissful tulip]

The one thing I am genuinely surprised about Waves (as of 1.0) is the lack of endgame beyond ToA and one-time Holograms

I thought we'd be receiving more right from the get-go

[lament shuttle]

Swap out before the animation ends

[craggy wave]

before the slash comes out?

doesn't give a lot of time tbh

[rotund drum]

kinda dumb that the tempest memphis is electro and not anemo tbh

[blissful tulip]

Is anyone UL40+ at the moment? I'd like to ask if boss drops can go up to 3 rather than 2

[hollow viper]

How many more do you want

[rotund drum]

you have to whale if you want 40 atm i think

[hollow viper]

Yea

[rotund drum]

but you should be close if you spend all your fragile resins

[hollow viper]

My friend who used all fuels and did all quest is barely 39

[rotund drum]

yeah that sounds about right

[blissful tulip]

Just one more would be good enough

[rotund drum]

if you can get 40 by the end of the week and it helps you push your abyss score up a tier it may be worth it

apparently the rewards dont go up much

resin rewards i mean

[hollow viper]

Yes

The biggest on thing on ul40 is just db rank up

To 20

[rotund drum]

im at 17/30 so ar40 will probably get me that last star

[hollow viper]

Almost guaranteed gold

But even still

You can get 4* on tacets

Cuz tacets scale with world levels

[blissful tulip]

I'd only assume that we'll be getting 3 boss drops instead of 2 at maximum, which is the only reason as to why I'm wary regarding prefarming to level 70

[rotund drum]

75 primogems tho

its probably only a chance for 3 drops

[hollow viper]

Personally

I would just prefarm

[blissful tulip]

You've convinced me, 0.46875 of a pull is surely worth it

[hollow viper]

Cuz theres nothing to really spend stamina on rn

[blissful tulip]

Fair enough, hopefully I'll have enough exp to get my damage dealers to 70

[rotund drum]

paid shills doing damage control for kusogames i see

[lament shuttle]

The post is just rage bait itself

[dense elbow]

Mods trying to censor stuff and then we find out it was wrong anyways? Lmfao

In comes the same shit that fucked PGRs global launch i see

Global mods being being incompetent and trying to damage control making things look worse

Now whats gonna be the famous "cant afford $1 more?"

[hollow gorge]

I would rather they just add guilds. I don't need more, guilds is enough. Too bad neither genshin nor wuwa have that

[hollow gorge]

ehh, I forgot about that, but shit was funny

[blissful tulip]

Wouldn't like guilds at all personally, but a weekly activity associated with them would be alright

[dense elbow]

Global launch was hillariously bad lmao

[blissful tulip]

PGR and HI3 do those decently well

[lament shuttle]

Guilds ?

Like a clan thing?

[blissful tulip]

Clans, guilds, etc

A good amount of older and more traditional gachas have those

[hollow gorge]

well, I was enjoying the game. Couldn't care less. I was Karenina main, which is saying something

[blissful tulip]

Slowly phased out after Genshin's release

[dense elbow]

I enjoyed it but the devs and en management rly rubbed me the wrong way

Absolutely no way to treat your players

Thankfully theyve improved over time

[hollow gorge]

that's because guilds are a cheap way to keep people invested in the game, and it's mostly a win win for both devs and players if implemented properly

[rotund drum]

one of those fatui guys just knocked me off a cliff and i landed in the water and was fine

then he fell off after me and landed on my head and i drowned instantly

good coding

[hollow gorge]

realistic

[ornate basalt]

Which one does Calcharo prefer

Thundering or Tempest

[hollow gorge]

I wonder if there is a general decline of willingness of people to cooperate within bigger groups. And thus we get declining guilds and clans and MMOs

[ruby rune]

tempest iirc

[lament shuttle]

Tempest cuz cancellable

[ruby rune]

i forgor the reasoning but yeah what he said

I remember the talk about this but forgor the reasoning behind it

[rotund drum]

thundering does more damage but takes a bunch of field time with its longass combo

tempest does bad damage but can be canceled

calcharo has enough to fill field time with so he wants the shorter one

[floral bone]

does the thundering skin still work?

[weary acorn]

It's alright it's just the 3rd release fuck up

[neat robin]

I have guaranteed yinlin for cal
Havent used my 5* selector so debating on grabbing jianxun just to have or take s1 verina and hope I get s2 later on

[rotund drum]

most of the standard Ses are kinda bad tbh

i skipped the targeted banner already

pulling on weapon standard banner now

[blissful tulip]

Can't believe I've gotten so rich

[lament shuttle]

Wow

[neat robin]

Yeah its only verina s2 thats solid

Sorta rushed through story trials so didnt really get to use encore or jianxun enough to decide which one I want

[rotund drum]

both are pretty good

jianxin lets you afk lots of content even with unleveled chars since she basically has zhongli shield

and her channel is decent damage on top of it so she can double as a sub dps early on

encore is still the best dps in the game i think despite the usual copecharo simps saying otherwise

plus she has a really broken early game outro

[kind turtle]

her outro is insane

literally AFK tacets

[neat robin]

Encore?

I wasnt a fan of her trial but I think that was solo encore

Does she have non-verina teams?
I cant use her in all 3 towers

[ruby rune]

s6 letsgooo

ayyy danjin cons too

[lament shuttle]

Jiyan does more I think

[ruby rune]

POGGERSS

[lament shuttle]

Gzz

[ruby rune]

ehe

would the energy gen 3star more important than the 4star atk weap

or is his er reqs low

[lament shuttle]

He needs ER but idt its optimal on weapon

[rotund drum]

at s1 and only during ult i think

encore has a lower ER req too

and better quickswap

[lament shuttle]

Well you basically build him to have ult up as much as possible he’s a hyper carry that only does dmg with ult up

[ruby rune]

I'll take it for now

[rotund drum]

the problem is he needs a lot of ER subs to consistently get ult

he probably gets better later on

iirc he was around fuccboi tier on the cn tier list

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnew-chinese-tier-list-v0-u9l5gqmgv53d1.png%3Fwidth%3D1920%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df27efd810fbd8f6927a9282ae41003c18972feaf yeah he was slightly above her with s1 and significantly worse without

[blissful tulip]

Think I could actually beat it after level 70

Doesn't do much damage at all surprisingly, not even sure if it has Hologram Dif 4 moves

[rotund drum]

is that the electro side

[blissful tulip]

Yes

[rotund drum]

yeah the boss is easier on that side i think

since there are also adds

[blissful tulip]

There are no adds on Heron's side, Mephis has them

[rotund drum]

actually im probably thinking of the babby tower

i havent tried 4 on hard tower yet

still 17/18 lmao

[blissful tulip]

ToA is mainly a damage (and parry) check, you'll reach it in due time

[rotund drum]

yeah i dont have enough dps for the last star on electro side

[wraith steeple]

heavy on parry check

[rotund drum]

the fatui guys are annoying too

they do a lot of damage

[lament shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1d76ztx/spreading_misinfo_about_the_echo_stuff_droprate/?share_id=_vAvWBB1zuVz-OsRUm8ZU&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 lol

[wraith steeple]

lol

[blissful tulip]

Not sure whether the level 100 enemies have the same atk as their Hologram counterparts

[rotund drum]

cope

在1.1及后续版本活动中，增加声骸以及声骸养成材料的奖励

[lament shuttle]

I can’t read Chinese

[rotund drum]

In the activities of version 1.1 and subsequent versions, rewards for vocal skeletons and vocal skeleton development materials will be added.

[lament shuttle]

But it seems like Reddit can’t either

[rotund drum]

activities of 1.1

sounds like events to me

otherwise they could have just said starting in 1.1 tacet fields will give more mats

it makes no sense to say "the tacet fields in 1.1 and future versions will give more mats"

[lament shuttle]

Why can’t it be both

Events and tacet fields

Any event that gives echo xp

[rotund drum]

i cant read chinese characters but i can speak it a bit

it would be super awkward phrasing

[kind turtle]

a CN speaker i know translated it as

[floral bone]

not the announcent translation tc

[rotund drum]

that looks about accurate

[floral bone]

cant we just wait for the 1.1 patch and see?

[rotund drum]

it says "add more" and not increase btw

[sacred owl]

Even in JP it says events only

[kind turtle]

dont they mean the same thing?

plus it was a translation not a transliteration

[sacred owl]

They just need to hire a proper translator

Stupid silly mistakes need to go

[rotund drum]

i think increase would specifically refer to increasing existing rewards

while "add" could mean either

like "add more events that give echo mats"

vs. "increase echo mats you can get"

[kind turtle]

every event should be giving echo mats anyway

its just the quantity is the issue

[rotund drum]

the overdash event actually gives quite a lot

people just want echo stuff though lol

cause genshit relic mentality

they'll be coping over xp mats once ar goes up though

echoes feel worse atm because they're the only thing that aren't capped

[kind turtle]

18 purple tubes

is the overdash reward they listed

[pastel trout]

Oh shoot

Since when was this channel a thing

Looks like wuwa is here to stay

[blissful tulip]

Fully depends on how Kuro handles matters from here on

They've made many mistakes since launch and with the launch in general

[rotund drum]

as long as we get apologems

the game overall feels a lot more polished than genshit

people are just mad cause they're used to games with 3+ years of fixes

meanwhile genshit still doesnt even have controller support or a cutscene skip button

[hollow gorge]

not only that, Echoes are the biggest source of damage for initial investment. When you have a single sub adding +10% DMG that's a lot, having 5 echos with 2 subs like that - easy doubles your damage output counting from the baseline

[stuck wharf]

lol saying wuwa has more polish than genshin is an unserious take

for all it's flaws, that game is incredibly well developed

[hollow gorge]

I would say there is more to do in Wuwa than in Genshin 1.0

[stuck wharf]

that's not what polish means

[hollow gorge]

and I wasn't contradicting you, lol

[blissful tulip]

FFSimp meant feels, not the game being more polished overall

With the amount of bugs and optimization + localisation issues, the game is very far from polished

[hollow gorge]

tbh, localization sucks sometimes. The Tiger's Maw quest is hot garbage in terms of translation.

[knotty fiber]

I like that they're listening and aren't dumbing the reward down with the Genshin tier

Overdash is Genshin tier event
They got complained and they're compensating with another event

[blissful tulip]

This is the honeymoon phase after all, we won't know how Kuro will handle things after the first few months, even knowing PGR

[knotty fiber]

I mean PGR is great

If they're as generous as PGR then

Would be no complain

[stuck wharf]

pgr caters to a diff audience

[knotty fiber]

But that's not how ww works

[blissful tulip]

PGR is also a very, very different game from Waves

[knotty fiber]

Different games with different audience

[stuck wharf]

it was joever when they added 50/50s

[hollow gorge]

not really.

[knotty fiber]

Just look at how GI va HI3

Extremely different

And that's the same thing as PGR vs WW

[rotund drum]

there are some performance issues but the game overall looks better than genshit which is a 5-year-old game made for 2020 phones

[stuck wharf]

lol yeah, you're right, the average wuwa player plays pgr I'm sure

[rotund drum]

gameplay and exploration overall feel way better

the localization doesnt really matter since you can skip it

unlike genshit

the only real gripe i have with the game is how aggressively chinese it is

[blissful tulip]

I'd argue only 5% of the Waves playerbase had played or is playing PGR consistently

[graceful jetty]

chinese fantasy moment ig

[stuck wharf]

I was being sarcastic xd

[blissful tulip]

[knotty fiber]

WW aims for PGR players as well, but not most

They aim for a bigger scope

[stuck wharf]

idk about aim, they're just using expys to pull players like genshin did

[rotund drum]

i wonder if wuwa will branch out away from the chinese chars in 2.0

assuming it doesnt EOS before then

[edgy cobalt]

waiting for punishing grey rail guys

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jaukTyVGDnuEp4NQhfqBsKDBFofhVqXyqfMeDInoRkQ/%3Fwidth%3D1280%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D839a87349629eb96c2d03d15d664cfd792acd472/https/preview.redd.it/my-replies-toward-wuwas-fans-hot-takes-on-genshin-impact-v0-7fspf54fap2d1.png

[rotund drum]

even chinese people cant tell chinese people apart

[blissful tulip]

Likely won't

[rotund drum]

idk how they expect westerners to

[knotty fiber]

Impossible to EoS according to the revenue during the first 10 days

[hollow gorge]

nah. In Wuwa puzzles are boring and have zero context with their surroundings, compared to genshin puzzles. Puzzles are important part of exploration, because you can incorporate puzzles into the area and make you explore the area while you solve a bigger puzzle

[knotty fiber]

The game doesn't even cost as much to dev as GI

And they didn't need to spend much in marketing

[rotund drum]

id rather do a puzzle with zero context then spend 5 minutes climbing up to it for the PLOT

[knotty fiber]

Mostly thru CCs

[rotund drum]

then have a 5-minute unskippable cutscene with paimon and a cat

[lament shuttle]

Gimme hard boss fights and I’ll be happy

[knotty fiber]

[lament shuttle]

And not hard cuz it’s tied to whaling

[knotty fiber]

Unskippable shitty story

[blissful tulip]

Unfortunately Hologram and the level 100 enemies are the only difficult bosses in Waves

[hollow gorge]

sorry to say this, but then you don't exactly explore

[blissful tulip]

The rest is what you'd expect

[knotty fiber]

is the reason why I'm not playing GI anymore

[stuck wharf]

it's gonna be hard cuz it's time checked

[knotty fiber]

I can put up with HSR

But definitely not GI

[rotund drum]

the unskippable shitty story segments are annoying but they mostly just stand out because you can skip the rest

[lament shuttle]

We’re only in 1.0 so there’s a ton of time to improve

[rotund drum]

if it was genshit we'd probably all still be autoing the story

3 weeks in

[blissful tulip]

Sure, fair enough, can't make a definitive statement yet
But from what I'm seeing in 1.0 ToA, my hopes aren't the highest

[knotty fiber]

Yeah and I don't wanna pointlessly explore

[rotund drum]

im dying in 1.0 toa unless i dodge shit

maybe you just whaled too hard

[knotty fiber]

How many % of the players play the game to enjoy exploration and demand the "fun" like GI?

[rotund drum]

in genshit you just spam shields and heals and do dps rotations

[knotty fiber]

count me out of that

[stuck wharf]

we're also underleveled doing endgame 10 days after launch so

[blissful tulip]

There are already cases of time wasting, enemies spreading out, and mechanics to annoy you

[stuck wharf]

it's not gonna be as hard in a month

[blissful tulip]

Only Welkin

[hollow gorge]

that's why puzzles and narration exist. If you incorporate that into the area, then it becomes meaningful, otherwise, it's just a dophamine injector

[knotty fiber]

More like

[rotund drum]

just give me a gacha and content to do to earn more gems

[knotty fiber]

Fucking pointless puzzles that are almost unrewarding

[rotund drum]

preferably content that isnt actual afk like genshit story events

[stuck wharf]

this would make sense if it wasn't senselessly repetitive and actually engaged with the core mechanics of the game

[knotty fiber]

Imagine working my butts off to do the puzzles for some bits of primogems

[stuck wharf]

but exploration is essentially a really long minigame

[rotund drum]

every genshit event now is like blah blah blah i made a device but it needs to be tested and blah blah blah

then two hours of autoplay interrupted by dialogue selections with only one choice later

you get 60 primogems and the minigames unlock

it seems like they gave up on the shitty limited event zones at least

[hollow gorge]

agree, that there should still be a reward too, because that's the way gacha games are structured. That's an unfortunate truth, because in single player games you don't need artificial rewards like primogems to enjoy content

[rotund drum]

golden apple archipelago lmao

and the other shit with hundreds of hours of dialogue and talking ravens

[blissful tulip]

We get them every .8 update

[stuck wharf]

gacha just wasn't meant to be mixed with open world, the two genres don't coexist

[blissful tulip]

They just happen yearly so you don't notice them as often

[knotty fiber]

Archipelago is what I hate the most

[kind turtle]

Yeah we've got leaks 4.8 has a zone

[knotty fiber]

[rotund drum]

rip

[knotty fiber]

Are they reusing archipelago

Or new one

[kind turtle]

They are great

[rotund drum]

i dont mind exploring the zone but i know it'll be dialogue every ten steps

[kind turtle]

New one

[blissful tulip]

New one

[rotund drum]

haha shenhe wants to do a thing so quirky

paimon makes a gag

repeat 5x

[kind turtle]

They only used GAA twice 😭

[knotty fiber]

I will give it a try then

[rotund drum]

open the door, repeat

[blissful tulip]

The 3.8 area was very nice, even had a universal chest radar once you've collected 75-80% of them

[rotund drum]

also the swimming anywhere outside of fontaine sucks so any zone with a lot of water automatically sucks

although 4.8 will probably have fontaine swimming

[knotty fiber]

Call me spoiled by WuWa, got the radar with only 30%

[hollow gorge]

seems fine to me. Just needs better balancing, and I'll be honest with you, wile Hoyo are great game developers it's easy to see that they are new to open world games, some parts of their openworldness is kinda amateurish...

[knotty fiber]

[rotund drum]

i like it when you fall into the stupid pool thats like 10 feet across above the fountain plaza where the daily always spawns

and it takes like 15 seconds to get out of it

[blissful tulip]

I am excited to see what Kuro comes up with in the future for Waves, despite its issues I am enjoying the game quite a lot

[rotund drum]

because you cant dive them

[blissful tulip]

I mean a map-wide radar, not the smaller one

[kind turtle]

Same as genshin then 😭

[rotund drum]

the radar circle should just follow you around imo

[knotty fiber]

Genshit's radar has an issue

[kind turtle]

The bottle land was full map radar

[rotund drum]

its unlimited use with no cd anyway

it just forces you to stop and press it every 10s anyway

[barren drift]

yeah we need one that points

[knotty fiber]

It has a cooldown and it's not a ranged radar

It only tracks 1 chest at once

[blissful tulip]

I agree, quite annoying to constantly reposition it

[kind turtle]

Wuwa's one has fuck all range

[knotty fiber]

WuWa's can't track the seelie and blobs tho

[rotund drum]

just make it so when you get the thing it just unlocks a perma radar

[knotty fiber]

Idr if Genshit's can track the seelie

[barren drift]

nope

same

[rotund drum]

genshit's also misses a lot

it doesnt track any chest that isnt already spawned on the map either

[kind turtle]

Wuwa has slightly better tracking due to it being completely random whether puzzle chests are pre-spawned are not

[rotund drum]

so if its a challenge or something that spawns a chest after completion it doesnt show up

[stuck wharf]

this is exactly why open world doesn't mix well xd

[kind turtle]

Wuwa is inconsistent as hell

[stuck wharf]

exploration becomes a chore

[knotty fiber]

Actually the radar also tracks some unspawned chests

[blissful tulip]

I feel that exploration is best handled in a gacha when there are smaller, more confined locations

Imo, Remuria, Enkanomiya and the Chasm handled that extremely well

[knotty fiber]

Not all

But some

[kind turtle]

Wuwa sometimes pre-spawns chests in rocks and stuff

Sometimes doesn't

It's great

[blissful tulip]

As well as the 1.0 area that spawns after act 6

In Waves

[stuck wharf]

idk about that

[knotty fiber]

I prolly like Enkanomiya cuz of the mysterious theme it had

[kind turtle]

My favourite exploration was inazuma because I had clear defined regions to clear out

[knotty fiber]

But not Chasm

[stuck wharf]

cuz that's essentially what hsr is and it's even more of a chore than genshin exploration

[knotty fiber]

I was annoyed trying to go thru the Chasm

[graceful jetty]

yeah that was very nice

inazuma's music and aesthetic also made it very fun

[blissful tulip]

Waves' exploration is by no means bad, but it oddly feels more draining

I can't explain it

[stuck wharf]

doesn't every region have defined areas?

[knotty fiber]

It's because the map is big as fuck

💀

[blissful tulip]

It doesn't feel large

[knotty fiber]

And we're still early game

[kind turtle]

The chest radar has 0 range, so it's painful to scroll around with

[stuck wharf]

isn't it like double the size of mondstadt

[knotty fiber]

So like when we have to do the combat stuffs then it takes longer to finish

[knotty fiber]

Bigger than Mond + Liyue

[stuck wharf]

kuro went to an ubisoft seminar

[hollow gorge]

again, that's not exploration. That's collecting rewards on the map

[stuck wharf]

the issue with that distinction is there's no real incentive to explore

[knotty fiber]

To me

[stuck wharf]

so collecting rewards is essentially what it is

[knotty fiber]

Genshit is even more of "collecting rewards on the map"

Except more painful

[hollow gorge]

there is, it is just overshadowed by the need to get gacha currency

[kind turtle]

Watatsumi island is very pretty

Get a photo

And then you done

[graceful jetty]

discord user discovers subjectivity (2024 colorized)

[kind turtle]

Time to get primos

[blissful tulip]

I also feel that there are minor issues that add up, my most prominent being the minimap size

It really needs to be bigger imo

[stuck wharf]

the incentive would be there if it was better integrated with the game at large

[knotty fiber]

Right

That too

The minimap is actually quite small

[stuck wharf]

infinite sprint/grapple and echo farming are the only saving grace for wuwa exploration

[hollow gorge]

there is no subjectivity. There is a simple imaginary test: would you go out and visit places in genshin if there is no primogem reward connected to it? Answer is yes, but most likely only in the beginning

[sacred owl]

Yeah everything else feels dumb down other than the combat. Even then I feel wuwa combat is simple as well.

[blissful tulip]

I'm not exactly tired of echo farming, but I am very much starting to feel it

I am looking for an atk% or an electro% echo on the atk sonata

Did not find a single one despite beating every 3 cost echo associated

[stuck wharf]

the issue is there's too many mobs and the combat in overworld feels largely the same as genshin so it's just as tedious

[knotty fiber]

parkour left the chat

[stuck wharf]

it's essentially farming ascension mats but with no end

[blissful tulip]

This game absolutely shines in the hologram fights

[kind turtle]

I'd visit places once and then stop if there was no incentive

i.e. hsr

[stuck wharf]

hologram isn't what I'd consider overworld tho unless you're being technical about it

[graceful jetty]

the fact that you get rewarded for exploring doesnt imply that exploring is just collecting the rewards

[knotty fiber]

Except it takes even more time cuz you're farming your artifacts that way

[blissful tulip]

Fair enough

[knotty fiber]

You can spend 2 hours going for 1 route

And not being rewarded at all

[hollow gorge]

hsr is essentially a linear game. There isn't much incentive in Genshin to visit other places besides some occasional recipes or concrete valuables. Lore is a good thing about their exploration, but not many ppl participate in that part

[knotty fiber]

At least there's a saving grace

[stuck wharf]

imagine if instead of overworld mobs there was like 3x as many holograms and you got 10 echos a kill or smthn

it'd actually be engaging

[knotty fiber]

You don't need to farm for the upgrade material bullshit

Cuz there aren't 84773267295 types of those

[blissful tulip]

I see Waves with the "holy shit, two cakes!" mentality and I've been having great fun, despite its issues I genuinely hope Kuro does its best with the game

[knotty fiber]

For all we know right now, they're listening

If they are keeping up then yeah I'm sticking

[stuck wharf]

my main issue with it is they kinda stripped most of what made pgr combat good out of the game entirely

[blissful tulip]

It does feel largely the same as Genshin to me, which is fine as I love Genshin

[knotty fiber]

It's supposed to be a Genshin copy

Just, with a lot of changes and QoLs

[stuck wharf]

is the qol in the room with us rn

[kind turtle]

Genshin 2 pog

[knotty fiber]

If similar to PGR, it will be more and more different from Genshin later on

PGR was also HI3 v2 during the first year or so

But as time went on, it became more unique itself

[stuck wharf]

I think the issue w that argument is it's different copying an open world game cuz of the time sink

[blissful tulip]

I feel the opposite, PGR's combat has become more automated to me ever since a lot of the gen 2 damage dealers came, enemy interactivity is a large part of combat to me and I feel that Waves offers it in a better manner at the moment

Although the A ranks and Amplifiers are impeccably designed

[knotty fiber]

And now you have gen 3 💀

[blissful tulip]

Don't think gen 3 is out yet

[knotty fiber]

They are out

Watanabe is considered gen 3

[stuck wharf]

as someone who quit genshin cuz of exploration burnout, going into wuwa and seeing it being literally the same shit exploration wise just makes less excited to play

[knotty fiber]

Man

[hollow gorge]

That's not what the discussion about. It was about the fact that eventually exploration turns into a mechanism for gacha currency collection, because gacha games are dominated by this incentive. So even if there are other incentives they tend to fade into background, and might be neglected

[knotty fiber]

The core passives

I get tired of reading those crap

Text walls

Gen 3 are even longer like tf

[blissful tulip]

Right, almost forgot about poor Nanami being the fastest to be powercrept

[knotty fiber]

I looked at Hanying's core passive and I was like

Nah ain't reading

[blissful tulip]

PGR's passives always seem much more complex than they actually are , Kuro just words them in a way that makes it unfortunately difficult to understand at first glance

[knotty fiber]

PGR's Kevin got released last week
I got him but didn't read the stuffs

[knotty fiber]

Yes

[blissful tulip]

I've seen, glad to hear that he's free

[knotty fiber]

Mostly you just get your ass into trial

And done

[blissful tulip]

Or watch a Rexlent/Spider2b tutorial

[stuck wharf]

spider2b carrying

[blissful tulip]

All I hope for is for Waves to not go the PGR/HI3 route regarding the combat (with exception to the A ranks/Amplifiers), where enemy interactivity feels non-existant and you repeat the same rotations

[knotty fiber]

At least tho, Norman still feels relatively hard considering my power

[stuck wharf]

I don't have high hopes

[knotty fiber]

Very high team requirement for the easy buff and I never got that

[blissful tulip]

It is a dps check to me, unfortunately, we'll be getting the updated version during Qu's patch, yes?

[knotty fiber]

Probably? I didn't pay attention

I never did Norman til recently

But yeah it was changed around that

[knotty fiber]

I got onetapped sometimes

[hollow gorge]

it's the same problem with Genshin. Wenut and the Gravity boss were kinda a refresher

[knotty fiber]

Prolly skill issue but it was okay to play

[hollow gorge]

all others you can finish off with the same rotation

[blissful tulip]

Oh, I mean in a more hack n slash environment such as what HI3/PGR/ZZZ/Waves provide

[knotty fiber]

I still don't understand

[blissful tulip]

I see Genshin combat in a different light and do not mind it as much because of it

[knotty fiber]

What's preventing Genshin from releasing a roguelike content

They must have felt they were fucking superior or smth

[kind turtle]

Doesn't imaginatium have some?

[blissful tulip]

Believe it or not, they are doing so in around a month

Imaginarium Theater is a roguelite endgame

[knotty fiber]

And only decided to announce it after WuWa's release date was announced

[blissful tulip]

I doubt it was purely because of Waves, modes like this take quite some time to develop

[knotty fiber]

Like

Over 3 years in

[kind turtle]

It's not like they made it the day of the stream 😭

[knotty fiber]

It doesn't take that much time

Like

[blissful tulip]

That is much fairer

[knotty fiber]

They have a fucking foundation

[kind turtle]

They've put a lot of lore into the mode

[hollow gorge]

most average ppl don't actually like roguelike. Losing all your progress and starting over is not something that most ppl enjoy. And Genshin caters to general audience

[knotty fiber]

Elysian Realm

[kind turtle]

And we know genshin doesn't want to fuck up the lore

[knotty fiber]

Same as HSR and they gave roguelike on day 1

It's not that it's hard to make a mode or whatever reason

[stuck wharf]

that's for actual roguelikes, roguelites like su have permanent progression and caters to a more casual audience

[knotty fiber]

Genshin is just a cash cow

[hollow gorge]

not really, HSR is not as generalist as Genshin. Genshin wanted the biggest audience possible

[stuck wharf]

they have like 90% of the same playerbase lol

[knotty fiber]

And roguelike wanters are a type of audience?

You are telling me they don't want those right?

Makes no sense

Being for casual isn't the reason for not adding roguelike modes

What about their long ass exploration then?

[stuck wharf]

exploration is why casuals play tho lol

[knotty fiber]

There are more than 1 type of "casual"

[kind turtle]

The casuals I know like exploration more than the rest of the game lmao

[knotty fiber]

I'm the casual that doesn't have much time to play the game

Can't be bothered with their stupid exploration

[stuck wharf]

they fuck around with chongyun dehya Dori team in overworld for an hour a day then fuck off to touch grass or smthn

[knotty fiber]

I need smth that takes less time to do

[kind turtle]

SimU takes a long ass time to do

[knotty fiber]

Takes 10 mins per full run for me

[stuck wharf]

su actually has good runtime

[knotty fiber]

[blissful tulip]

Takes 5-12 min

It's not too bad

[knotty fiber]

Or maybe less

[kind turtle]

I haven't done a single G&G run cause I did fuck all during Swarm because I'm burnt out on running SU multiple times a week

[knotty fiber]

GnG and SD are onetime content

[hollow gorge]

well, that's the problem. Roguelike experience is based on stressful situations and casual gamers don't enjoy that much. So adding that sort of gameplay would be antagonizing casuals, that's why Abyss in Genshin is not being developed, because Hoyo shifted their target audience after Genshin became a huge success

[knotty fiber]

Also they are lore as well

[stuck wharf]

runs took like half an hour in the early game when you're still learning the mode, which is long enough to be fulfilling and short enough to not be intrusive

[kind turtle]

They're onetime after you've put several hours into them

[knotty fiber]

How can it be stressful

Like what, you're forced to play the highest diff?

Who be forcing you

Might as well remove abyss then

[blissful tulip]

SU felt very fun to play in the early-game as our accounts were being developed, then unfortunately turned into what we know it as today

At least they're adjusting it in a few weeks

[stuck wharf]

it's moreso that they don't like being left out of content

casuals already complain about abyss

[knotty fiber]

Cuz it gives me trauma for releasing too many floors that don't allow monoGeo comps

[blissful tulip]

Well, not "turned" moreso became that way for the general endgame playerbase

[knotty fiber]

See, might as well remove it