・wuwa-lounge

[blissful tulip]

I would not want to do this more than three times tbf

The mode is unbelievably repetitive

[kind turtle]

yeah i already dont do simU weekly

[dense elbow]

yeah ive never liked it rly

in beta the wording on things was awful;

the stat scaling was unbelievably easy

[kind turtle]

let alone attempt to beat dif4 with taoqi because encore is banned 😭

[dense elbow]

shes not "banned"

they havent made a run for her yet

xD

[kind turtle]

ever*

[blissful tulip]

Wait, didn't the devs mention that they'd do something about the echoes having multiple sets back in CBT2?

[blissful tulip]

Especially for the monkeys having 3

[dense elbow]

they did something about it

some have 3

:D

[stuck wharf]

illusive realm: gold and gears when

[blissful tulip]

Kuro listened alright

[edgy cobalt]

been doing that to get character/weapon ascension mats from the ore store

[dense elbow]

but yeah idr them addressing it specifically

just that

[stuck wharf]

okcode grindset

[edgy cobalt]

https://preview.redd.it/merchant-in-tigers-maw-mine-blue-rarity-enhancement-v0-id4ysvlkmo2d1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=f93aa400b6dc779e5eb7c2b1ce98e9d86aa93dd1

[dense elbow]

"we will be addressing the echo system" in general

[edgy cobalt]

Why wouldn’t you grind it lol

[stuck wharf]

I'm ul25 db11 xd

[kind turtle]

yeah i need to get my rocks for that

[stuck wharf]

are they only in the mine

[dense elbow]

you get the mats as well

its literally free labour

[stuck wharf]

cuz I only saw like 10

[dense elbow]

xD

[ornate basalt]

Sharing is caring eh

[dense elbow]

like u can be anywhere in the world

[stuck wharf]

who tryna raid my world 👀

[dense elbow]

and youll get the drops too

so theres not rly any "raiding"

[kind turtle]

apparently

[dense elbow]

coz if someone gets smth

[ornate basalt]

Better than having coop people joining your world and stealing your Furina mats

[dense elbow]

you all get it

i just did a route for 30 in 10mins so

[kind turtle]

oh pog

[stuck wharf]

damn that's a lot more than I found wtf

does the sensor have a limit or smthn cuz it didn't mark like half of them

[edgy cobalt]

been on that for 3 days lol

[ornate basalt]

That is the interactive map

I'm p sure

[edgy cobalt]

I think if I log on and do dailies I’ll be UL33

[stuck wharf]

ik, I mean the sensor in game

[edgy cobalt]

don’t think UL40 before this week ends is possible unless I max refresh (not worth)

[dense elbow]

you just

wont be at all idt lol

some whales ik are already 36 almost 37

and the exp jump is ridiculous

[edgy cobalt]

did anyone record the exp jumps

[dense elbow]

not sure specific values if theyve been documented

[edgy cobalt]

Imm guessing UL40+ will require 10-15k exp

[kind turtle]

34>35 is 7600

[edgy cobalt]

yeah that’s just

end of next week is possible

but not this week

[blissful tulip]

They don't seem to update union exp gains either

[dense elbow]

nope very much fixed

[blissful tulip]

I understand regarding resin but for dailies..?

[edgy cobalt]

max UL is like 80 right

[kind turtle]

last bundle is 80 so probably

[edgy cobalt]

yeah just making sure

think I’ll just try going for 15+ stars in hazard zone before next week ends

at 9/30 rn using solo jiyan twice and him w/ verina in another floor since yesterday

[dense elbow]

i still aint 24 starred tower 2 lmfao

idk if it happening

[edgy cobalt]

its fine I finished it with 21/24

[kind turtle]

i might be able to by the end of this week

[edgy cobalt]

the rewards there are permanent

[dense elbow]

yeah

[kind turtle]

though that's if echoes are kind to me

[blissful tulip]

I'll try it again once I invested in Danjin

[edgy cobalt]

just rush to hazard zone
if you have jiyan then you can easily thug out 6 stars on the first floors

[blissful tulip]

Mephis thankfully does no damage

[edgy cobalt]

maybe 9-12

[kind turtle]

wait i dont own a single havoc dmg bonus wtf

[dense elbow]

@blissful tulip just had the fucked up audio in tower u were complaining about

like

just completely fucked

[stuck wharf]

wait y'all are getting that too

I thought my phone was fucking up 😭

[dense elbow]

🤝 i dont even have a 2nd 3 cost ATK%/Fusion% for encore shes on 4/3/1/1/1 rn

[edgy cobalt]

guess its time to redeem them in the illusive realm shop lol

[kind turtle]

😔

true honestly

i dont have much other use for them

[blissful tulip]

My music in general was fixed at least

[edgy cobalt]

a malleable echo gave me double crit and er with lib% at +20

havoc onset for my havoc mc

probably my best one

double crit and er is just a keeper regardless of quality rolls

[neat robin]

Do I pick both electro% for cal or take the 2 havoc%

[blissful tulip]

Any sort of crit rate is worth keeping this early on tbf

You barely have any sources of CR

[edgy cobalt]

are you going for yinlin

[kind turtle]

my dreamlesses

[neat robin]

Yeah i have guaranteed yinlin

[edgy cobalt]

cuz maybe electro could be something to consider if ur pulling her

her and calcharo ez

[blissful tulip]

Last substat was basic damage bonus

[edgy cobalt]

I wish that was my dreamless

think mine only has one crit roll?

[blissful tulip]

If it's crit rate, you're fine for the next few weeks

[dense elbow]

nah still stuck at 1 star on 2-4 sob

[edgy cobalt]

sadge

[blissful tulip]

I need more crit rate on the man but he doesn't do the highest damage

[neat robin]

Hmm. Havoc & er sets are together when I need to farm tubes
I’ll grab electro choices for cal then

[edgy cobalt]

any of y’all dipped into diffV for holograms?

my dumbass and crappy laptop still can’t clear IV for my life

[blissful tulip]

Not skilled enough alongside 24fps and minor stutters for Dif 4 Aix, will have to wait until some other time

[edgy cobalt]

I even considered using food buffs

the 5* that gives 30% atk bonus for 30 minutes

[blissful tulip]

Don't feel ashamed about doing so, the game gives you the option for a reason

[edgy cobalt]

I can definitely clear it if I take my time but I’m so used to spamming swap cancels without seeing what the boss does

[neat robin]

Ok

I need more cr
Only seeing 50% is annoying

[dense elbow]

ok 2 stars on 1-4

21 stars gud enuf for now

@kind turtle how tf do u unlock the 3rd tower?

[kind turtle]

is it not by clearing all floors?

[dense elbow]

or is this just smth completely different

[edgy cobalt]

you have to do a quest

[kind turtle]

that's a quest yeah

its a puzzle domain

[dense elbow]

y tf does it use the same icon as tower

😭

[dense elbow]

thats just

[barren drift]

its the quest where u fix radars and shi

free meal quest is the name iirc

[dense elbow]

a completely different icon after unlocking it

wtf

[kind turtle]

[dense elbow]

right time to fight this lvl 100 ape

i got one shot instantly during setup nice

🔥

[kind turtle]

😭 so true

what is this item

[blissful tulip]

Your "battery" to create your own waypoints

[kind turtle]

oh

[dense elbow]

yeah idk how tf IWTL doing this shit

[kind turtle]

where's the gadget for it

[blissful tulip]

If you mean his recent video

He beat the mourning aix in around a minute

You may have confused the floors

[kind turtle]

lvl70 aix vs lvl100 ape

[dense elbow]

nono

im talking about other stuff

[blissful tulip]

Ah, not sure myself then

[dense elbow]

bro was getting over halfway thru this boss with a min and a half left

even without clearing thats insane

[stuck wharf]

are there meter gain numbers anywhere

[dense elbow]

all technical info would be under damage data in wuthering.wiki

in pins

wtf is a chelonian lol

[kind turtle]

i'd guess turtle? but lmao

[dense elbow]

yup lmfao

ty

1 set of achievements done

[kind turtle]

killing aix, ape, myriad, crownless and mephis 50 times is gonna be fun

cooking sucks

[edgy cobalt]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[keen aspen]

lfg finally!!!

[graceful jetty]

overwatch

https://tenor.com/view/kiriko-overwatch-dance-donuts-cute-gif-27648983

[kind turtle]

someone i know has the achievement for tuning 200 times...

[dense elbow]

💀

where abouts is that

[kind turtle]

voices > echo collection

i'm at 113

[dense elbow]

70 💀

[kind turtle]

😭

[dense elbow]

i thought that 2nd achievement would be find a shiny/phantom

but i have one and it didnt unlock lol

[kind turtle]

it is...

i just had to go get that one

[dense elbow]

??????

[dense elbow]

bitch excuse me?????

[kind turtle]

try the big rock guy about there

[keen aspen]

guys can anyone help me with the echo web event?

[dense elbow]

why are these things predetermined

[kind turtle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense elbow]

did they think people would cry they cant find shinies?

boo fucking hoo

its a skin at the end of the day

grind for it

[kind turtle]

real

[dense elbow]

non shiny hunters smh

[graceful jetty]

1/8192

[stuck wharf]

there's only concerto and resonance gain as far as I saw, didnt see anything about meter

[rotund drum]

forte meter?

apparently calcharo is actually pretty bad

reddit is seething pretty hard atm

[blissful tulip]

Are they, where?

[rotund drum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1d2icjv/new_chinese_tier_list/

[dense elbow]

if u mean forte then thats all outlined in a characters forte skill description

[dense elbow]

we already have the image for this

nice one reddit

cant say i agree with the list at all tho

[stuck wharf]

there's no numbers anywhere tho

[stuck wharf]

I can't send pics rip

[dense elbow]

they used to list EVERYTHING in beta

😔

now its just "restores mayhem when hitting a target" for encore

make sad

[stuck wharf]

we regressed to alpha

[lament shuttle]

P1 rip

[stuck wharf]

are the beta numbers archived somewhere

if they were public before

[dense elbow]

idts 😔

[stuck wharf]

[rotund drum]

they're crying that maybe CN doesnt know the SUPER SECRET CALCHARO CANCEL TECH lol

its like kleegate all over again

[lament shuttle]

Idk. I spend all evening farming more 4 cost echos

In case they nerf it 🤨

[barren drift]

encore my goat

[rotund drum]

they'll probably take away anything you farmed anyway

[stuck wharf]

nerf what

[lament shuttle]

Nah they won’t do that lol

[fierce tinsel]

I'm sad they gutted Yuanwu

not that he was good to begin with

[lament shuttle]

Some bosses are dropping echoes at 50-60%

Instead of the expected 20%

[rotund drum]

well its a boss so its probably intended

that they have higher droprates

but usually if they catch people exploiting a bug they will just take the stuff away

and/or roll back your account

[lament shuttle]

I mean they will prob fix it

[barren drift]

pls dont

[lament shuttle]

But now’s the best chance to get the 4 costs

Until they do

[barren drift]

[stuck wharf]

oh I was gonna ask why didn't the drop rate boost reset yesterday, I'm still at 0/15

[blissful tulip]

He's good for cheesing 2-4

[lament shuttle]

If you look at data bank it tells you their rates so it’s def a number mess up on their end

[blissful tulip]

For whatever reason the buff affects him much more in comparison to every other character

Makes me think he's secretly split scaling

And kuro made his multipliers completely wrong

[rotund drum]

it says base rate 20% but that doesnt mean some mobs might have higher rate multipliers than others

[fierce tinsel]

they couldve just made him a full on outro and off field dps

[dense elbow]

most of the actual calcharo yinlin clips were from CN lol

[fierce tinsel]

so monoelectro would just have Calcharo as the main dps

[lament shuttle]

What’s the point of the enhanced 15 ones then lol

[dense elbow]

altho imo calcharo is still overrated after discussing some more with ppl last night

😭

so i think encore above calcharo is fair

my issues are the taoqi placement and no havoc mc lol

[lament shuttle]

With the current available resonators that’s fair

[dense elbow]

same for the aalto idt hes that high

[dense elbow]

even when yinlin comes out honestly i still feel encore clears

[lament shuttle]

Guess we’ll find out 😄

[rotund drum]

encore is extra busted early game too thanks to her outro

[dense elbow]

like at least for personal

[rotund drum]

being fixed scaling

[dense elbow]

yinlin doing her own dmg is gonna help a lot

[rotund drum]

hitting like 600% while everyone else is hitting like 50%

at level 3

[fierce tinsel]

tbf, Encore having a long animation nuke

that is affected by swap cancel

[rotund drum]

you're supposed to swap her out during the nuke

[dense elbow]

her forte heavy isnt even the majority of her dmg

[fierce tinsel]

puts her above

[dense elbow]

lmao

its literally just

raw dmg and very easy to play

calcharo requires very hard combos to get close

whilst having pretty jank hitboxes

altho both have dogshit active echo options lol

[fierce tinsel]

yea, that's one of encore's advantage, wideass hitbox

but personally

I prefer Havoc MC

[rotund drum]

monkey is pretty decent

[dense elbow]

i mean

im using both

[dense elbow]

why are you running monkey boss on calcharo tho

lol

[rotund drum]

oh calcharo

i thought you were talking about jiyan for some reason

midyan

[dense elbow]

no jiyans the goat

hes fine

[lament shuttle]

the aero character gouping is good

for both

[fierce tinsel]

rn, I use Lingyang and MC as my dps

[blissful tulip]

Using Yuanwu, Calcharo and Havoc MC myself

Likely going to invest in Danjin next

[fierce tinsel]

surprising that havoc MC feels smooth af while dealing goodge dmg + broken ass echo

[lament shuttle]

havoc mc multipliers are dumb

[dense elbow]

none of the echoes in the electro set have grouping?? 😭

same for ones that deal electro dmg

[lament shuttle]

no I mean using aero character to group

lol

[rotund drum]

why is havoc's color red anyway

shouldnt it be purple

usually dark is purple

[dense elbow]

we're talking about active echoes here not teammates

😭

[rotund drum]

is there a good groupspam 3-cost

or even a 1-cost

[dense elbow]

no

lmfao

[rotund drum]

i havent really paid attention

[dense elbow]

good grouping = use jianxin

[rotund drum]

midxin

i think everyone pulled her expecting anemo zhongli but her succ radius sucks

[blissful tulip]

It works when it works

And I'm happy to have pulled her

[rotund drum]

shes more like sucrose than venti tbh

and sucrose grouping sucks

[blissful tulip]

Thankfully I believe I'll be able to 3* 1-2

[dense elbow]

her grouping is very good honestly

yangyangs isnt great

but is the rest of jianxins kit which is pretty eh

[blissful tulip]

Calcharo isn't the best for this sort of thing

[keen aspen]

does this mean i wont get any 5* echo till reset?

[rotund drum]

her grouping is ok if they're already all in front of you and you actually have ult ready

which you probably dont

[dense elbow]

i mean u start with ult in tower

lol

[rotund drum]

they tend to spawn spread out in tower

which kinda defeats the entire point of having a grouper

[dense elbow]

no it means u dont have the increased chance to get boss drops

but ur only at 60% which is currently the base boss drop rate anwyays

[dense elbow]

barely honestly

[rotund drum]

shes okay for getting mobs who are already close together close enough to cleave with melee attacks but she wont just succ mobs in from everywhere

like venti/kazuha do

[dense elbow]

its enough that on 2-4 you can group all together and immediately nuke with havoc mc

which considering havoc mcs dmg is extremely valuable

dont get me wrong the rest of her kit is very

[keen aspen]

what boss drops ? im asking bcoz im only getting 4* echoes

[dense elbow]

thats just unlucky then assuming youre data bank 15

you only get 5 stars once data bank 15 and union 30

[rotund drum]

data bank 15 is only 30% chance iirc

i'd push to 17 if possible by spamming merges

probs worth

spam merges to 17, hold them until ar40 for when 19 unlocks

[keen aspen]

oh yea im 30-15

[dense elbow]

agreed

actually

eh

i didnt do my merges till 17 lol

[keen aspen]

how does that work

[dense elbow]

coz ur just throwing 5 pieces of shit in for 1 random piece of shit

[rotund drum]

you can get 5* echoes from merges

[lament shuttle]

she can alleviate the shitty echoes is what i was trying to say

[rotund drum]

and they get added to the databank

so you dont have to go hunt them down manually

[dense elbow]

not really?

theyre shitty echoes literally just because theyre shitty echoes

theyre active abilities are just stuff you dont want to use

its not about bad stats or anything

[rotund drum]

you probably have a couple hundred trash echoes saved up which should get you 10-15 new echoes

[dense elbow]

pretty much all electro active echo skills are just bad

xD

[rotund drum]

which will probably get you to 17 or close to it at least

then you spam bosses for the last few

[keen aspen]

do i have a chance of getting 5* even if i foddder green echoes?

[rotund drum]

you dont need to push to 19 yet since that doesnt unlock till ar40

no point in rushing it

[rotund drum]

i dont think it matters which echoes you fodder

its the same as the droprate i think

[dense elbow]

yup its just throw random shit in for 1 random shit back

based on data bank

[keen aspen]

oh thats nicee

lemme try it

[stuck wharf]

it's based on your db level drop rates right

[lament shuttle]

Take flautist for electro

It’s not as good as dreamless by any stretch

But it’s not horrible

Since you can swap cancel it

[dense elbow]

its pretty fkn bad still

it got nerfed hard

its only 3 hits and 3 energy now

people are unironically using the electro predator i believe it is

just coz short skill cd

ok just found out they fucking halved calcharos energy generation

this fucking guy

💀

[oak copper]

guess they weren't happy with the Calcharo limited power level angle

[dense elbow]

i mean

encore is right there

girl hardly got touched

calcharo wasnt even broken in cbt2 either lol

he was good but nothing insane

[oak copper]

After having played both at the early levels due to rerolling fun, she feels better to play anyway

[dense elbow]

real

much much nicer to play

[oak copper]

If Jiyan AoE coverage wasn't so fucking amazing I'd prefer Encore over him aswell

[dense elbow]

same

i just dun wanna pull jiyan despite getting so many aero dmg% onset stuff

💀

i cant get any havoc% or even atk% on havoc set stuff

same for fusion

my encore is on fkn 4/3/1/1/1

[oak copper]

Well, I didn't wanna pull for him either, hence I rerolled so I just had him to start with

[dense elbow]

fairs xD

i cba to reroll i just wanna play

everything tied to the same email

[oak copper]

If I compare may original Acc with the reroll i settled on the difference is too huge for me to ignore

[oak copper]

atleast for google stuff salting works in WuWa

[dense elbow]

yeah i dont blame you

i just dont have that kind of time

[dense elbow]

i was told it didnt 😭

make sad

oh well im enjoying what i got anyways

[oak copper]

atleast the . at random spots in the email work

its mostly a habit I picked up, because its hella efficient to do, since while launch has a lot of content you usually burn through it fast enough anyway

and thanks to the launch issues it turned out to be hella worth it in WuWa

[kind turtle]

Can't you also add +(whatever) before the @gmail

[oak copper]

didn't try if that version works for rerolls

[rotund drum]

thats a salt and it doesnt work apparently

has to be .

[kind turtle]

😔

I'm happy with my account, got verina in starter banner

[rotund drum]

im glad the calcharo simps got btfo

[ionic sage]

Why the calcharo hate lol

[shell anvil]

Hi guys i've question about key setting....

It seems i can't upload the picture

[dense elbow]

been discovering quite a bit that makes him not as good as we initially thought

electro echo skill nerfs
energy gen half of what we expected
skill having jank hitboxes on his strongest attacks

jsut to name a few

[rotund drum]

its more that they were being really smug about him day 1

"hey guys i picked calcharo and he's op"

[dense elbow]

hes also just really hard to play to get his strongest combos off

[rotund drum]

"oh you picked a waifu lol"

[dense elbow]

i mean im not going by that perspective

the gender of a character doesnt mean shit to TC

[oak copper]

Calcharo is just WuWa Diluc in terms of initial perception

[dense elbow]

doesnt help electro has jack shit for active echoes to utilise

[oak copper]

~~apparently in terms of perormance now aswell ~~

[lament shuttle]

Except he has a way better VA

[small bronze]

finally

[lament shuttle]

Congrats

[oak copper]

grats

[ionic sage]

Fair. I really like Jiyan , but havoc mc seems really fun

[rotund drum]

i got jiyan while simping for danjin but still havent built him

[ionic sage]

He just needs energy

A lot

[rotund drum]

its not super hard to build a char early game anyway i guess

just level him to like 40 and give him a weapon and echoes

ill probably do it for tower

[small bronze]

i managed to get jiyan c1 and his weapon already and im just a welkin enjoyer :D im happy but i played a lot im lvl 31

[blissful tulip]

Honestly not sure whether to pull for Yinlin or Jiyan

C1 Calcharo indicates that I'll have to pull for Yinlin but I'm not so sure

[rotund drum]

jiyan doesnt seem that good tbh

based on playing him in all the trial missions

curse of being male chinese spear dps

i dont think any of mhy's male chinese spear dps have been good either

xiao, jingyuan etc

[oak copper]

what sets him apart the most from my early impressions is that he has the best AoE coverage of any DPS with built-in grouping for smaller enemies

[kind turtle]

encore has grouping

[rotund drum]

i mean his grouping is melee range so w/e lol

its okay if you want to try to drag weak mobs along with you while running around

in practice its not a huge diff

[oak copper]

He is not Venti, but its still quite noticable

[neat robin]

Ive been really enjoying jiyan. c0r1 & easily my favourite dps so far
Building havoc mc for the big numbers but jiyan is sustained dps through his ult

[kind turtle]

doing the event yeah its definitely noticeable

and its very reasonable aoe

especially being a moving thing

[blissful tulip]

Going to be quite difficult to choose between the two given my early pulls

Have Verina, Jianxin and S1 Calcharo

[rotund drum]

just get anke from selector and you're good to go

i would save for a real support

idk if we have numbers for yinlin yet

she might be ok

otherwise hopefully jinzhi saves support

shes a penci pusher so shes probably a support char

i doubt she'll be waving a sword around

[neat robin]

Wdym ‘real’ support
verina heal and atk buffing isnt enough? +assists for extra parry help

[dense elbow]

we do yinlin looks pretty fkn gud

[dense elbow]

shes very much a real support lol

[blissful tulip]

Had already chosen Jianxin by then regarding the selector

[dense elbow]

all type dmg deepen, atk buffs

healing for glow and turtle

[dense elbow]

like regardless of what calcharo got going on yinlin still looks nicege

[blissful tulip]

I'd have chosen Encore but I felt that Jianxin would last longer

[oak copper]

Tbh I'd expect all of the early limited units to be pretty huge in their own way because our current measurement baseline is standard units and 4*s

[blissful tulip]

Even with Encore's current strength

[lament shuttle]

Why are standard cons absolutely dogshit lol

Did they really wanna copy genshin that hard

[oak copper]

There are some funny parallels

[lament shuttle]

Encore - Klee
Calchero -Diluc

[blissful tulip]

[oak copper]

Jiyan is Xiao and they even have the same C1

[lament shuttle]

They have the same Color scheme going on but his aoe reminds me of childe too

[lament oasis]

Jiyan doesnt really feel like xiao though and Encore doesnt remind me of Klee

[kind turtle]

i like encore because she has barbara cancelling

[dense elbow]

at least comparatively to impact, encore is performing much better than klee ever did

[lament oasis]

😭😭

[lament shuttle]

Cuz no reactions

[oak copper]

Jiyan is more like Razor or Cyno in how he does damage, but those still all have in common that they have field time hungry Ult form where they act as a sustained Hypercarry and thats Jiyan aswell

[lament shuttle]

But they’re both small walking nukes to me lol

[lament oasis]

Theres lot of cutesy gacha characters that use bombs/explosives or something destructive. its a trope

[dense elbow]

i dont see what nukes klee has

CA hits nicely but its no nuke

[rotund drum]

she has the c6 nuke

[dense elbow]

real

[lament oasis]

Only thing klee nukes is jeans sanity

[kind turtle]

klee destroyed a mountain, sounds nukey to me

[lament shuttle]

Lore wise she’s a terrorist

[rotund drum]

when she swap out during ult

[dense elbow]

[oak copper]

Thats Klees C4

[dense elbow]

ok we talking lore sure

[lament shuttle]

She drops mines and explodes ppl for fun bro

[lament oasis]

Klee doesnt drop explosives on people man cmon 😭

[dense elbow]

fish people arent people now i see how it is

[lament oasis]

Ill never see them as people, young people these days

[lament shuttle]

At least jiyan can gain energy during his ult 😄

[kind turtle]

god those two achievements sucked

[rotund drum]

how did jiyan make general if he cant even walk 3 steps without having a longass emo flashback

[oak copper]

Jiyan is most definitely off to a better start than Xiao

[neat robin]

Like cyno .. cant? Whats the comparison

[kind turtle]

xiao

[lament shuttle]

Xiao can’t

[rotund drum]

idk if this jiyan character story is time limited but there's a timer on the event screen

so im doing it and he's just crying over a pufferfish or some shit

[neat robin]

They said razor or cyno

[lament shuttle]

We were talking about xiao before hand

[lament oasis]

Even though Diluc was good compared to the past roster, I cant see Calchero struggling in the near future either

[lament shuttle]

As his main comparison

[edgy cobalt]

first weapon mold finally

[rotund drum]

i remember when people thought razor was good

[neat robin]

Other than colouring. Jiyan def feels more like cyno than xiao

[lament oasis]

The game doesnt have reactions so everyone seems to be fine compared to their similarities to certain genshin characters

[lament oasis]

Hey razor is fine

[blissful tulip]

Fully depends on how they handle ToA in the future

[oak copper]

If they do their job with the tuning right current DPS shouldn't fall out of relevance very soon, even if they are worse than upcoming limited units

[blissful tulip]

Due to how elements work

It's very likely that powercreep is going to be much more defining

[edgy cobalt]

if TOA implements bigger enemies more often then jiyan can be obsolete in the future

[lament shuttle]

I mean Diluc is still serviceable today

But with how OP constellations look in this game let’s see how they handle scaling

[lament oasis]

Yeah i can smell the powercreep attached to wuwa. I hope wuwa doesnt fall off the f2p and interest bridge like tof did 😭

Diluc is fine, plunge brought him back

[blissful tulip]

Elements are mainly just different coloured numbers at the moment

Due to the way combat is handled, I doubt we'll be getting overly specialised supports any time soon

And ToA doesn't look to be extremely difficult beyond the usual DPS check

[rotund drum]

it doesnt help that pyro and quantum are the same color either lol

[blissful tulip]

And the spiral abyss equivalent issue of enemies wasting time by spreading themselves out/having mechanics to annoy you

[lament shuttle]

Inb4 they release a 4vv exclusive to aero

[dense elbow]

multipliers across the board down by 10+%
plunge dmg divided by 3
energy from DMs down by 60%
swap cancels in ult make you lose 3rd DM now
swap cancels make you lose buffs
c2 intro skill doesnt pause the game but all other intro skills do

and persisting from beta, having shit hitboxes with dodge attacks not giving stacks

😭

[lament oasis]

[dense elbow]

and another change from beta, the better electro echo skills got fucked

😭

[lament shuttle]

Hey another constant with genshin is that electro sucked for a long time

[dense elbow]

real

[lament shuttle]

Maybe yinlin is Raiden

[lament oasis]

Theyre so worried about fucking the good parts of their game whilist its still an unoptimized pile of dogshit

[blissful tulip]

It'll take time , hopefully not too long

[lament oasis]

Still not over that i can run genshin and star rail together on my computer and wuwa crashes if my mouse hovers over it

[rotund drum]

they mostly just need to make the skip button universal

and maybe make the cast not so chinese

maybe after space china arc is over

[dense elbow]

brother this is a chinese fantasy game

😭

idt thats happening

[rotund drum]

so is genshit

even genshit only has some chinese chars

[dense elbow]

genshins theme isnt "chinese fantasy"

thats one area

[rotund drum]

an d the rest are standard fantasy setting

[dense elbow]

genshin are trying to make a whole world

this game has marketed itself as chinese fantasy specifically

its one thing they were very adamant about in surveys

[kind turtle]

i mean the people from the new federation

[blissful tulip]

If only I could play Waves smoothly

[lament oasis]

Genshin has a world based off irl locations amd history. Wuwa seems like like a chinese theme so

[kind turtle]

take much less chinese names

other than cal ig

[dense elbow]

yeah its a very different group

i just dont expect some full on non china region for a long while

[rotund drum]

just a little while ago a friend of mine misspelled the char's name as jinyan

and i had to be like did you mean jiyan or lingyang or jianxin

[lament oasis]

Not to mention, genshins start had liyue and monstadt. Obviously monstadt isnt chinese themed, but liyue was a big focus for them in the beginning. Still their favorite location it seems

[rotund drum]

or literally any of the other chinese chars

[dense elbow]

chinese companys favourite place is china, what a surprise

[lament oasis]

Honestly i mispell it because i go to spell jingyuan 😭

[kind turtle]

and mond was the prologue, liyue was the actual first act

[lament shuttle]

When will they give us new events

[rotund drum]

but yeah i expect chinese company to have a chinese zone

and to generally play it safe and boring with that zone

[lament shuttle]

Only after jiyan banner ?

[rotund drum]

like with xianzhou

or liyue

[lament shuttle]

Like the login one is done today

[rotund drum]

but literally almost everyone in wuwa is chinese

[dense elbow]

if a company is big in china CCP gonna try get their say in at least a lil bit to make china look gud

[kind turtle]

https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1795290048528781509

Wuthering Waves (@Wuthering_Waves) on X

Event Notice | Overdash Club — Limited-time Track Challenge Coming Soon!

✦Event Duration✦
2024/05/30 04:00 - 2024/06/17 03:59 (Server Time)

✦Rewards✦
You can win up to Astrite x360, Advanced Resonance Potion x9, Advanced Energy Core x9, Advanced Sealed Tube x18, and other

Twitter · May 28, 2024, 3:04 AM

[dense elbow]

[dense elbow]

the rewards from this event seem

really bad

honestly

[blissful tulip]

18 purple echo exp

[dense elbow]

yeah its fucking less than genshin even on the premium side i swear

[blissful tulip]

135 resin's worth

Isn't that something

[rotund drum]

its not just CCP i think

chinese gamers in general tend to be touchy about depictions of china

[dense elbow]

yeah

[lament oasis]

Thats another thing. I hope they increase event rewards. I feel like theyre being stingy because theres so many free starting wishes, but thats dumb. You want f2p players too, dont limit event gifts because of launch gifts

[kind turtle]

also this achievement seems impossible right?

[blissful tulip]

It's funny that the event rewards are identical to CBT2's with no changes

[dense elbow]

funny how its just more stingy than genshins

[lament shuttle]

wonder what you could put in your bio and see what happens

[dense elbow]

both waveplate vs resin usage as well as event rewards

and then add the echo system on top

did they want to compete or make a worse experience?

[oak copper]

A good amount of the launch goodies now are also due to technical issues and thus weren't exactly planned

[oak copper]

I mean they can try the "grind more for less" strategy and see their playercount collapse after a few months

particularly because the endgame crowd wants more endgame content, not more grind to play tiny bits of endgame content. So they don't win over anyone with that

[dense elbow]

i mean as an mmo player im used to putting time into grinding for shit

but

[keen aspen]

whats jiyans talent upgrade priority?

[dense elbow]

they combined that same mmo grind with waiting on shit stamina mechanics

[blissful tulip]

It's funny how there isn't exactly "more" endgame

Although the extra level 100 challenge in ToA is nice

[kind turtle]

the fact that we can get max echoes before the first week is up does seem kinda bad for longevity

[edgy cobalt]

would've been a godpiece if the cdmg roll wasn't low

[blissful tulip]

Holy shit

[dense elbow]

liberation > forte > skill >> intro > basic

[oak copper]

question is also what for. MMOs usually have an endgame spectacle as a pay off for the work and some prestige attached to it. Abyss and the likes are not enough to make that worth the effort and there is no such prestige in a Gacha because at the end of the day the credit card is always more powerful

[dense elbow]

well tbh the credit card is more powerful in game like wow too with shit like wow tokens lol

i cant think of any p2w mechanics in ff14 tho?

hmmge

maybe didnt play enough

[blissful tulip]

Wonder how long it'll take them to add more endgame as the months go by

[oak copper]

difference still is that somebody needs to carry your ass through the content, regardless of how many tokens you buy. Its also pay2win in a way but its mostly player facilitated

[dense elbow]

thats true

[lament shuttle]

Hopefully they’re better than genshin st it

At this

[kind turtle]

yeah we're already in the farming endgame

the fact that there's no difference in farming between level 30 and 80 seems wild

[oak copper]

They have some pretty easy ways to make people keep farming

since they can just introduce new enemies and boom new echoes to grind out

but its gonna be challenging to juggle expanding the open world and do more endgame for them, because if they pull a Genshin and neglect endgame they just set themselves up to fail

because exploration is the one thing thing where they have incredibly low chances of setting themselves apart from Genshin in a good way

[blissful tulip]

So far it doesn't look too promising to me unfortunately, but we'll have to wait and see

[lament oasis]

Didnt they also say they rewrote the majority of the story because of feedback, but from beta play throughs i saw and the released version, the story is identical? 😭

[blissful tulip]

That was from CBT1's story, which was wildly different

[lament oasis]

Fair fair

[oak copper]

btw, what the hell is going on with 5* weapon base ATK in this game?

just the raw stat difference looks insane

[dense elbow]

ikr

5 stars are just

ridiculous

plus Crit substats go crazy

like weapon subs

the difference between an offensive weapon sub and ER is just

too big on most chars

to afford the ER weapon

[oak copper]

its early game and all so its all a bit skewed, but my non-crit damage went up 50%

[dense elbow]

[oak copper]

ER is always expensive, even in Genshin its hella expensive if you really think about it. And the less external Stats are available the more costly it is

I remember my Yae Calcs where her C1 saving her like 40% ER was a 20% dmg increase unbuffed but it went down to 10-15% with various Buffs

[dense elbow]

good god

[sage wharf]

[kind turtle]

@dense elbow

[rotund drum]

its only farming endgame because you can do echoes early

in genshit and star fail it wasnt worth to do relics early because of bad droprates from domains

in wuwa you get roughly the same proportion of echo xp as other stuff so there's no real reason to wait

speaking of does weekly rank up at 35 or should i just burn it now

doubt im hitting 40 before the end of the week

[kind turtle]

dreamless only goes up every 10 levels so i assume not

[small bronze]

does everything in wuwa cost 60 resin and they just made it look like we getting more with 240

or some stuff costs 40

[kind turtle]

domains and the training cost 40

[small bronze]

domains are for talents?

[kind turtle]

yeah

[small bronze]

oh okay ty

[kind turtle]

ITS REAL POG

[neat robin]

I wish there was a spot to only farm echo upgrade stuff for 40 stam too
I dont want to use 60 on echos as well I just want the tubes

[small bronze]

why these not ticked

i redid it thinking i missed it

[kind turtle]

because wuwa is a brilliantly designed game

[small bronze]

also dafuq i used interactive map it looks like i did the whole thing for desorock highland yet its on 81%

[kind turtle]

what parts are you missing

[small bronze]

there is no way it goes past this

[lament shuttle]

Did you get the flies

[small bronze]

i did weird

[kind turtle]

yeah check your exploration progress

[small bronze]

at the npc or?

[kind turtle]

on map

click the compass in bottom right

[lament shuttle]

No flies

lol

[small bronze]

whot

i was doing the flies

i mean

[lament shuttle]

Not the yellow ones

[small bronze]

we talkin bout the yellow butterflies

[kind turtle]

no

[small bronze]

oh

[lament shuttle]

It’s these mechanical flies

[kind turtle]

select the bolbflys on the interactive map

[lament shuttle]

That give 10 primos

[kind turtle]

i mean the yellow butterflies also do lmao

[lament shuttle]

True

[small bronze]

the yellow ones count too towards this?

i was doing multiple ones im sure

[kind turtle]

i believe so

not sure

i wasnt keeping track

[small bronze]

weird i will check

[lament shuttle]

Prob not since he’s at 0

lol

[kind turtle]

nah just for exploration progress but not the blobfly count

idk if they matter

[small bronze]

i just killed one bobfly and it went by 3%

seems im just missing those

[kind turtle]

yeah i believe exploration progress is averaging the %s of the items

rather than individual count

[kind turtle]

and viewpoints

[small bronze]

ah yea

weird how i havent seen a single one of those lol

i mean bobflies

didnt even know this exists

[kind turtle]

they have a render distance of like 2 feet so its not suprising

[small bronze]

also anyone knows if this chest that was only in the mainquest mess up 100%

like if i will miss one will it be 100% Lol

not sure if i got it, cause this island is gone after main quest it seems

[kind turtle]

i hope not

[small bronze]

will drive me crazy

[lament shuttle]

@dense elbow did iwtl use all his fragile resins equivalents

[willow jacinth]

I got all from the main quest so I'm good 🙏

[lament shuttle]

cuz my shit cant deal wih the lvl 80s in the bottom tower

[dense elbow]

no clue

hes doing very well against monkey somehow

[lament shuttle]

his danjin is gapping mine by double dmg lmao it has to be lvled up echoes

guess im a tacet fields main for the next few days

[dense elbow]

when my havoc mc looks like this with 60.4% havoc dmg at base

[lament shuttle]

not having a crit weapon in this game is a sin

like wtf

[dense elbow]

my danjin with 10% havoc coz shes on double atk

[dense elbow]

ikr

[dense elbow]

and yeah quite a few ppl ik are like "yeah tacets are shit but im at the point where theres nothing else to farm"

💀

[kind turtle]

does echo stats matter more on mc or danjin for prioritisation

[dense elbow]

id say mc first

[lament shuttle]

MC

[dense elbow]

much more of a nuke than danjin is

danjin does good dmg dont get me wrong but mc is stronger imo and its coz danjins able to give them havoc deepen

[kind turtle]

fair

[lament shuttle]

also for Sanhua with Encore ,I just need to make Sanhua proc her outro right

[dense elbow]

yup

[lament shuttle]

so I should build ER on her (?)

[dense elbow]

cloud set + heron

burst skill 2HA Heron, Outro once heron hits once

[lament shuttle]

cuz rn she has crit heron + 2x glacial

[dense elbow]

yeah give 5 cloud

[lament shuttle]

yeah she has 5 cloud

[dense elbow]

more worth it

[lament shuttle]

she has heron + 2 elemental + 2 x atk (1s)

[dense elbow]

yeah thats nice

[lament shuttle]

theyreall lvl 1 for now cuz no exp but i guess thatll fix it in the next few days

[dense elbow]

think i have 1 glacio 1 er

but none are levelled

she aint a priority rn

[lament shuttle]

cuz my team was getting giga gapped by the dreamless comps

[dense elbow]

why iks like

2/3 of the 3rd tower havoc and fusion enemies

those are my 2 teams ffs

😭

i dont understand where my dmg isnt at when trying to do 2-4 lmfao

i want the 3 star

[lament shuttle]

encore misses too much on that boss

that flies away

[kind turtle]

LMAO ENCORE MEPHIS SOLO

[dense elbow]

and then the enemies somehow just

reset their HP midfight

when im right next to them

yeah right thats fair

im convinced the main thing slowing me down unironically is parrys

coz they slow down the game for so long to give it dramatic effect

but they dont pause the timer

[kind turtle]

that's my secret strategy

never parry

i dont think my solo run had one 😭

not even by chance

[dense elbow]

i mean im fighting the 2nd boss not the 1st

but

im not meaning to

💀

parrys just happen 😭

[oak copper]

The slowing effect also killed me more often than it helped me

[dense elbow]

im just fucking whacking the thing and get a parry and bam thats -5 seconds

[kind turtle]

i dodge whenever i see the parry thing instead

[dense elbow]

yeah just sometimes im mid attack and the hit comes through before the dodge

can i have an option to turn off intros and outros for some chars too? lmfao

i want danjins outro but i dont want havoc mcs intro it ungroups so easily

😭

and then the heron just resets its hp when im right next to it

god i love this floor

scuffed ahh

[kind turtle]

encore mephis solo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095697013468835871/1245172595427508285/Mephis_solo_encore.mp4?ex=6657c8d8&is=66567758&hm=70dee0b521710a986ae8faff16f795fe4eefeb3a87dd782945df949fac010202&

[dense elbow]

ngl id rather fight mephis than this

coz i dont have to deal with grouping without an aero

[kind turtle]

😭

also encore's skill hits the border, which is fun

[dense elbow]

AND THEN THE BIRD RESETS ITS HP AGAIN WHY

😭

[dense elbow]

unironically if the birds reach this golden circle im standing on

they fly back to the middle and reset their HP

[kind turtle]

wtf

[dense elbow]

its so stupid coz you have no room to work with

and when they do that theyre invulnerable

so you cant hit them till they get back to full HP so its just a reset coz u wasted your nuke and 2 dreamless

[kind turtle]

brilliant game kuro

[dense elbow]

i just see him fly out BACKWARDS himself

and them

+46k HP

wow

fun

😭

[kind turtle]

😭 😭 😭

[dense elbow]

i have no room to group them

[kind turtle]

2-3?

[ocean talon]

they healed 46k hp?!

[oak copper]

I guess in the end the story is the thing with the least issues right now

[dense elbow]

[dense elbow]

yes coz they reset aggro

[dense elbow]

2-4

the wind heron has this slam attack

where he flys at you then slams behind you

and he just flies out of the deemed allowed area so easily

[oak copper]

combat and movement by themselves are pretty fluid, but combat interactions are really undercooked. Even just positioning with the violent lock-on snapping is a massive pain

Venti auto-targeting works better than whatever the lock-on in WuWa does

• enemies glitching about

[dense elbow]

thanks mf

[oak copper]

I also had some intro skills launching me through a small mountain a few hundred meters away from my target

[dense elbow]

yup lmfao

coz it autolocks on to another enemy "in range"

[rotund drum]

has anyone actually beaten the dollar store simuni event yet

[ocean talon]

ESP WHEN FIGHTING THE SPECTRO BOSS

[dense elbow]

bitch how is ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROCK WHEN IM IN A CAVE IN RANGE

[rotund drum]

the trial chars feel too weak to meet the dps check on the final boss and im not planning on building yangyang or counter tits

[oak copper]

That aswell, but I also had it happen with the intro skills that make you dash backwards to create space and it just zoomed me 200 meters back straight through any terrain on the way

[dense elbow]

💀

ive had intros clip me upwards through rock

coz they teleport to an enemy in range

so they happily choose to bypass walls lol

[oak copper]

I literally clipped through a mountain side and starting dropping off a cliff randomly

[dense elbow]

wait till you start falling out of the map

they really dont like it when that happens but its one of the only tihngs they dont have checks for

[ocean talon]

how are mfs alr getting 70/200 builds

😭

[oak copper]

I'm kinda surprised that I haven't fallen out of bounds with how much silly shit I've seen

[dense elbow]

get stuck? teleported to nearby flat land
on the other side of a wall? teleported to the other side as soon as you touch it or onto the ground above
actually get out of the map and start falling infinitely down? they have nothing because they assume their aggressive snap back is good enough to stop it

[dense elbow]

they have really aggressive unstuck snapping at times

its hard

ive fallen oob once

but ive ran through more walls than i can count

like im just running up a mountain and my chars will just

[oak copper]

Jinzhou space program if you fall out of bounds, just launch you into the opposite direction at light speed

[dense elbow]

do a 180 through the wall to walk on the other side

then as my feet touch the 2nd wall on the inside it snaps me to the top of the mountian

[dense elbow]

i give up trying to 3 star this floor for now

its way too bullshit without grouping for me

actually

fkn it yangyang take 5pc glow and originite

youre coming with me

[kind turtle]

😭

[ocean talon]

can u convert the dice for substats into ones of higher tier or no?

[kind turtle]

doing solo clears on 1st half will help with verina on 2nd half

[dense elbow]

nope lmfao

[ocean talon]

bruh i ran out so quickly

[dense elbow]

yangyangs grouping does nothing to these the fuck

holy shit it actually just

doesnt touch them

never fucking mind

[ocean talon]

do yall know when any events are coming

[dense elbow]

there should be one tomorrow or the coming days

the parkour one

[kind turtle]

https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1795290048528781509

Wuthering Waves (@Wuthering_Waves) on X

Event Notice | Overdash Club — Limited-time Track Challenge Coming Soon!

✦Event Duration✦
2024/05/30 04:00 - 2024/06/17 03:59 (Server Time)

✦Rewards✦
You can win up to Astrite x360, Advanced Resonance Potion x9, Advanced Energy Core x9, Advanced Sealed Tube x18, and other

Twitter · May 28, 2024, 3:04 AM

[ocean talon]

OOP

[dense elbow]

god

could they like

double the rewards?

or even 1.5x

[ocean talon]

i did the quest for that, the small one

overdash quest

[kind turtle]

wdym 2 pulls for the first mini-event isnt good enough?

and like

0 level up mats

[ocean talon]

240 stamina but everything is extremely expensive

😭

[dense elbow]

I LOVE GETTING TREATED LIKE SHIT

🔥

[kind turtle]

genshin totally could 🔥

[rotund drum]

remember when genshit made us pay resin for the event

[dense elbow]

genshin made me a masochist
wuwa then locked me up and taught me the real meaning of degradation

[dense elbow]

i dont mind spending resin on events if the mats are more generous than the base game coz it lets me farm it as much as i want to get gud shit

thats how most gachas work

[oak copper]

The Dark Souls of resource income

[dense elbow]

but they also have an event store to match it

[ocean talon]

i ran out of mats QUICKKKK

[ruby rune]

me finding the level 120 mobs and thinking that area is Union level gated

[ruby rune]

dw so does jianxin's

[ocean talon]

getting a character to 90 is gonna take too much exp atp

[ruby rune]

isn't the cap 80?

[oak copper]

Thats inaccurate, I still see 3 HP there

[ocean talon]

i am on 60 and there are 3 more rank ups

[ruby rune]

thats me after using the revive

[oak copper]

[kind turtle]

The hardest special enemy was the lvl100 group of 4 elemental guys, three who shoot at you and the tick-tack who chases you down

[ocean talon]

i am just gonna use jiyan and mortefi on one side and a team of semi built characters on the other, hope is works

[dense elbow]

ngl worst one for me and a few others was the fucking wind monkey lol

[kind turtle]

True wind monkey sucked

That just took ages rather than me getting clapped repeatedly though

Luckily the elemental guys delete themselves at low HP

[dense elbow]

oh yeah so

prydwen has their numbers up for burst havoc mc

holy fuck

https://www.prydwen.gg/wuthering-waves/characters/rover-havoc

just give it a look for yourself

[kind turtle]

Wtf 😭 yeah those numbers are very reasonable

[oak copper]

Lets see what that means for the tuning of future limited units

[dense elbow]

i was just saying to someone "i think hmc needs moving up on the list" and what do you know

and im ngl

i think encore either needs moving up or calcharo needs moving down

honestly calcharo moving down makes more sense

[kind turtle]

Id accept encore t0 but yeah

[dense elbow]

idt he compares to encore rn honestly

yeah just havoc mc is kinda ridiculous

like they fill relatively different roles

[kind turtle]

Not that t0.5 makes any sense 😭

[oak copper]

me, still having my 80 pull starter Banner up, looking if anyone else's C1 is looking interesting enough

[dense elbow]

but i value havoc mc much more than encore rn

[dense elbow]

unfortunately most of the S1s are pretty shit

😔

im probably grabbing jianxin

[oak copper]

Yup, standard Cons all look pretty eh

[ruby rune]

the nerfs on calcharo feels bad man

[dense elbow]

they REALLY hurt

😭

[ruby rune]

I picked encore instead now for the freebie

[dense elbow]

ontop of his existing issues

im wondering if havoc mc is just

[oak copper]

I already have Encore, Verina, Jianxin and Jiyan, so its either Calcharo, Lingyang or a C1 for that Banner

[dense elbow]

better than yinlin for him

[ruby rune]

I wanted jiyan as well but got lion boy so 1 less dps for me

[kind turtle]

Go with encore, it's great

[dense elbow]

tbh

if u havent pulled on it

save ur standard pulls

grab a 5 star weapon

xD

[oak copper]

Already 40 in, gotta get 4*s somehow

[ruby rune]

also I still think that spectro mc is more fun than havoc but thats a me thing since I havent learned combos yet

and I just spam sht