#Modpack: Prominence II RPG Hasturian Era Sugges...

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knotty sorrelBOT
boreal jetty
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Your suggestion is good, but we should've just disabled the Dragon Backpack (recipe) a long time ago, to prevent this kinda confusion. The Dragon Backpack isn't even that good, when there's much better alternatives, apparently.

loud wadi
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Just change the egg to a dragon head tbf

queen igloo
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or alternatively, just add the dragon egg to the loot table for the Ender Dragon

vivid igloo
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You Literally get 2 dragon eggs, one from the dragon and one from the quest line.

vivid igloo
boreal jetty
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ahem Servers exist. The egg is "first come first serve" in a server, and the quest provides you one so you can fight the Eye. They were talking about being bricked most likely because they were looking from the perspective of Multiplayer.

boreal jetty
jagged zinc
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It says in quest to not use the egg for dragon backpack

Everyone gets one egg from quest already

loud wadi
vivid igloo
jagged zinc
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We will not accommodate for people who are too lazy to read

jagged zinc
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I explain why dragon backpack sucks

boreal jetty
polar pecan
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There are numerous problems with this approach you're forcing on players:

  • The information SHOULD be in the game, or deterrents in place to make sure it does not happen. If it's not, then it's a fundamental flaw in the questline's design.
  • Telling players "it's available in the pin" when majourity will only look for that information AND see the aforementioned pinned information once they've made this mistake is also being insensitive to the realistic margin of human error. It should not be an expectation for a player to STUDY information in Discord pins for specific information BEFORE they play the game, and BEFORE and EACH AND EVERY ACTION. While to some extend this is expected, it should not be something you expect before every "move" you make.
  • There is a Wiki. Why is the wiki incomplete? Why are you expecting players to open multiple mediums of information to play the game at its base state? Why do I need to join a Discord server, check a specific channel's pins, open another tab for the modpack's wiki, then open other multiple tabs for other non-native mods?

Now, I understand this is a modpack. There will be flaws. But when your counterargument is being snarky and telling players that you won't accommodate them when "they're too lazy to read", then in turn, some "snarky" expectations are bound to be placed.

vivid igloo
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"The Dragon Backpack isn't even that good, when there's much better alternatives, apparently.":
No explanation on what the better alternative is in the thread itself. If you make a claim, please back it up with information and not a single statement.

"Servers exist.":
Between friends, shouldn't be an issue. This can be communicated or cheated back + there is a message warning you about this.
A large group, as mentioned earlier, there are messages saying you shouldn't do it.

Pinned message conclusion:
"...dragon backpack is bad because the main buffs can be outdone by enchants and then there's two other backpacks that you can swap to plus not worth the dragon egg and too many people waste that egg on this backpack":

  1. It's a combination of multiple backpacks, so:
  • It saves you a slot if you have not gotten into remote inventories
  • It saves you from having to swap, especially in a hurry
  • It replaces the need to get into enchanting/potions with it's minor buffs and removes the need to swap between backpacks. Minor buffs can help manage transitions
  • (Mentioned as an alternative in the pinned message) Lapis backpack's XP gain is not enough to justify it (and it doesn't give offensive/defensive buffs), unless you're sitting in an farm with it. You can easily make the argument that the minor strength and regen can help you survive, saving you XP instead

  1. You get the dragon egg back after the fight. If there are other uses for it, it should be explained in an active discussion about a suggestion. This helps people get a better perspective on if they agree or disagree with the suggestion itself.

  2. While I understand the frustration that comes with helping people with their repetitive questions (And thank you for all the help you provide). A discussion needs to be open and detailed. Chucking it up to "This bad" and "read cause I've explained it" does not give proper context and is not conducive to a healthy and understandable discussion

jagged zinc
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Quest says don't make backpack so don't make. Read the quest. That is final.

polar pecan
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I've also checked the egg itself, it has no tooltip whatsoever that mentions what you said.

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jagged zinc
polar pecan
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I'm legitimately not sure if you're suggesting the information is there, but in Spanish, but I cannot speak Spanish.

jagged zinc
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@supple python please add back in the idiot proofing thing that tells people to not use the damn dragon egg please, thanks

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Basically, that used to be in there

polar pecan
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This wasn't a contest of "gotchas" being thrown around, rather a discussion on a certain gameflow. Being implied people are idiots for getting a Dragon Egg, pressing U, it not having a description, and EMI showing you can craft a dual-purpose bag with it, whilst refusing to acknowledge that you may have made an error is just bad look.

Maybe have your ego in check, or not respond if you're going to be snarky about it and refuse to properly lay out verifiable information.

(Now I get why Discord moderators/admins are memes)

jagged zinc
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People are dumb for using an item you normally only get one of

polar pecan
# jagged zinc People are dumb for using an item you normally only get one of

It's an item in a game. That is by all intents and purposes, an ingredient. It has a PURPOSE. If it was a collector's item, then by design, this game makes it obvious if it's either a collector's item (like a trophy), a functional block, etc.

This is not real life where using something "you get once" is "dumb". Are you telling me to swap backpacks everytime and move around stuff from one backpack to another just so I can tell people that I have a Dragon Egg that I did not use? What is that counterarguement?

But I think we're pretty much done here. Your ego is so inflated that you refuse to acknowledge a flaw in the game AND your mistake that you didn't double-check, so this is pretty much going to be just a forced pissing contest.

At the very least, we all found out that the quest does not make it explicitly obvious, when it should. ALSO: THE BACKPACK IS CRAFTABLE even in Singleplayer. It's not been disabled contrary to the claim of the first answer.

jagged zinc
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I acknowledged mistake by asking dev to fix what needed to be fixed

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Not in game or home right now so can't double check

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Don't use an item that's normally a one of item, very simple

vivid igloo
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Jesus christ ur insufferable to talk to

loud wadi
foggy pulsar
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Make the eye quest give an item that is required for crafting the dragon egg backpack

true salmon
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Sid does all this work for the modpack and discord and all he gets is shit for it

vivid igloo
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If you're unable to read how both users who provided long discussion messages were met with absolutely horrendous attitude, then I seriously do not know how to get through your bias here

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This is just abhorrent behavior from staff side, where they do not discuss their opinion, make their opinion a fact, and then chalk up a valid item as "useless" with "better alternatives" yet do not actively engage in a discussion regarding the viability of such items

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This is not a help channel this is a suggestion channel where things should be discussed