Modpack: Better MC Forge (but may fit in all mo...

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Thread automatically created by richie_biersack in #suggestions

[oak granite]

please suggest 1 mod at a time, having 5 different mods in suggestions and only 1 of them being remotely addable makes it hard for the suggestion to be voted highly on.

[rugged lark]

Sorry, I did it like that because everyone just adds a particle, I thought it would be simpler.

[oak granite]

everyone if you scroll up suggests 1 at a time even if its a bit annoying when they suggest 50 mods in total

at least it makes it easier to vote on the indavidual mods easier

[rugged lark]

Srry, in a moment I'll make separate threads for each mod

[oak granite]

no worries

not saying you are the 50 mods person, but someone else was...

[covert musk]

Plus also this feels like it should be one mod anyways.

[rugged lark]

Exactly, that's my point.

[covert musk]

Feels redundant to have them separate imo.

[rugged lark]

Well, following that logic let me suggest a couple more in one thread.

[covert musk]

No, I’m saying it’s annoying for devs to have 7+ mods just for particle effects

[rugged lark]

omg, you guys are hard to convince

[covert musk]

We really aren’t, but a lot of your suggestions were things already in packs or don’t fit the pack

[oak granite]

its not us you gotta convice its the devs

[rugged lark]

Well, I think in this case I'm sure it's neither, I think you just don't like them.

[rugged lark]

True

[covert musk]

💀

[oak granite]

thats the whole point of a suggestion tho, like it or not

i said having too many in 1 thread isnt good because you cant choose which one can be added or not

and btw, most of these mods wont really work as 1 wakes is for Fabric

not forge

2 mods, out of all of them are actuall native to forge

[covert musk]

You haven’t been checking these mods nor modpacks on what they do and don’t have before suggesting.

Checking things like forge vs fabric, or looking for the mod in modpack index pages if it’s in there, or even just playing them helps not only you out, but also us. There could be a mod we really like for packs, but we legit can’t because it either runs like crap with it in the pack in the past, or doesn’t fit for the pack at all for what the devs want for it

[rugged lark]

I've write that I've tested every single one in Better MC Forge and Sinytra Connector makes those that are for Fabric work in Forge, I wrote it, I have tested them!

[oak granite]

its best for the mods to be native to their mod loader instead of using a Experimental mod that can port them over

[covert musk]

From your other suggestions, especially for prom

[worthy moon]

What’s the performance hit like?

especially with cave dust, i could see these being problematic on low end machines

[covert musk]

Basalt is an issue already on low end in vanilla usually isn’t it?

[worthy moon]

yeah

[covert musk]

Hence why a lot of people don’t like basalt deltas honestly.

[oak granite]

i like em, they neat

annoying

but neat

[covert musk]

I like them too, but I can understand the rage from them if you don’t have decent comp

[rugged lark]

omg are you telling me that these little particle mods can seriously affect performance but a giant mod like BetterEnd works perfectly with an experimental mod?

[rugged lark]

Idk, my PC is decent.

[oak granite]

you need to think of Others not just My

suggesting a mod means it gets put into Tens of thousands of machines

[oak granite]

yeah, a little mod that has 1 particle can be more worse for performance then a large overhaul of the end if its dont poorly

[worthy moon]

Well and also better end does cause issues

[oak granite]

thats true

anything can cause issues

even vanilla

[covert musk]

cough treasure maps bug cough

[rugged lark]

Well my intention is to suggest mods that I think can improve the experience, I was going to suggest a couple more but I think I can blow up everyone's PC.

[oak granite]

go about our comments and messages as you please be it if we are making you mad or not. we are just saying what we have to being staff, mod, and dev of lps

[covert musk]

Might be good to consider having a list of questions and if you wanna test stuff out, try doing it on much lower end set ups like lower your ram, view and render distance, etc to those who would have no choice.

Nicole tests her packs all on 4 gigs. Which is the bare minimum for Minecraft.

[oak granite]

she does have like a decently high end pc

[cinder lake]

r we having a party here

[covert musk]

Or if you have some spare money to run around buy an actual low end pc to test on if you want.

[covert musk]

She does, but she tests on low end requirements to help making sure it can be handled on the potato pcs

[oak granite]

fair enough, i tested on my potato pc too and worked wonders

[worthy moon]

I’m all for improving the experience but performance and stability are important. Just for example we used to have Effective in almost all packs, which is very similar to what you’ve suggested, but it caused major performance issues so now it’s not

[worthy moon]

i would love for mmc4 to run on 4gigs

[covert musk]

Saaame

[worthy moon]

it’s simply not possible with the mods currently in lol

mmc2 fabric is the only medieval pack that will run smoothly on 4 right now

[covert musk]

I’ve had issues with Mmc on a legibility stand point, my brain can’t process the text x.x

[worthy moon]

hi week

[cinder lake]

anyone fancy a pizza rn

[cinder lake]

hi Muon

[worthy moon]

chicken onion green pepper for me please

[opal isle]

i have little to no modding experience but I know that 5 mods is a ton for a few QoL particles, with lag from both bloat and the particles themselves

and if people want client-side mods like this they can just add it themselves

[cinder lake]

😋

[opal isle]

but yea quite the party here

[covert musk]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-oooh-stuffed-crust-stuffed-crust-minions-agnes-gif-23868841

As an example though of too many mods for the same thing: there’s multiple mods that give cute colored options for chests and crafting tables, but up keeping both of those on top of all the other mods in a pack is very time consuming, it’d just make pack devs lives better if it was in one.

[rugged lark]

Well, test things i think that's the job of the devs, I'm a simple nobody suggesting a couple of mods, it's up to you to add them or not no matter how many positive votes the thread may have.
I'm not mad, but I've always seen admins and devs be very defensive about my suggestions, it's not like I'm suggesting an aircraft or firearms mod to Better MC.
There are technical things about the performance of the modpack that I as a normal user cannot understand, I am only suggesting things, my PC is entry-level, an GTX 1660, 16GB RAM and a 10th generation i3 and it works well as far as I have been able to test.

[worthy moon]

unfortunately people expect to be able to play modpacks on a 3rd gen i3 with 8gb and no GPU

[covert musk]

Or on a school thinkpad. I’d take the i3 over those any day

[rugged lark]

I understand that perfectly, and I think it's a more sensible response than just telling me that you don't like it because there are too many mods that add particles.

[covert musk]

Didn’t say I don’t like it, I think they are cool as well, but thinking for the devs side, it’d be frustrating to maintain.

[rugged lark]

We could have summarized the discussion to this.

[covert musk]

Legit did

[worthy moon]

I don’t think this discussion is productive anymore

[rugged lark]

I admit I didn't remember reading that.

[rugged lark]

Now that I have some of your attention, can BetterEnd impact performance even if you are not inside the End?

I noticed a slight drop in performance in that update

Or I don't know if it's because of the change from Embbedium to Xenon

[cinder lake]

This is not the right channel to be talking about performance, if you experienced performance issues after that update you should have reported it in #medieval-mc-forge

[rugged lark]

Well, I just wanted to take advantage of the dev's presence here.

I don't usually get a response on the general channel.

[oak granite]

Muon isnt a bettermc dev