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bring over your variables.txt , server.properties
ah cool
and world file
world file is ok right...?
also possibly add create big guns
:D
yep
modify the pack at your own risk
well i mean add it to the next update i want to shell my friends with artillery
im fucked up in the head
its ok they actually showed me the mod in the first place
:D
BRO IM SO BLIND ISEARCHED FOR THAT CHANNEL AND COULDNT FIDN ONE 😭
what do i use coins from silence defense for?
how do i get back my lectern without comming a grave sin?
its already stolen and eaten? one of them, im trying to get enchants here you hack 3:<
yo for ad astra rocket ship is it normal to suffocate in the air due to thin air mod?
You do go high up but you should've already gave a spacesuit on
whats the best way to farm experience in this modpack?
i was gonna try to use a schematic of a create silverfish xp farm but i dont think the cobble gen works anymore here
plus createmod.com seems to be broken
blaze and enderman farms tend to be the best for experience.
cobble gen should still work, but may wanna test it on a creative world to be safe.
Hey has anyone completed / reached lategame here?
yeah
I want to ask you a question: I want to add these mods and I want your opinion on them ( not asking about compatibility but wether these would fit well in balance of the pack )
- veinminer ( with double hunger usage enabled )
- improved mobs, changes default mobs behavior, lets them break blocks use tnts and stuff
- spice of life ( hunger gain lowered from repeatedly eating the same food )
oh that's an interesting mechanic to add hunger usage for veinminer
veinminer can be cheesed by just having like 64 steak
But with spice of life you ur gonna need like 8 stacks of steak to do the same thing since the hunger will be diminishing
-
There are items that mine in larger areas. (not the same as vein mining but, vein mining feels cheesy imo) [ Create also adds stuff like drills & mechanical saws already ]
-
If you want to give yourself a challenge, add this mod & pick the hardcore mode :3
-
This last one is up to you, I went through SteamPunk eating different food each day :p
playing hardcore just makes you incredibly cautious and over prepare for every fight
could throw in ultra hardcore
And for veinminer I could reduce the veinminer limit and make it so it only works on stone,granite,andesite, ect the basic stones
What does it do
wouldnt imrpoved mobs blow up your create contraptions
The tnts mobs throw only damage but zombies with picks will mine through your base
oh
so yeah that's why ur encouraged good defence
Actually there's a mod which let's mobs tunnel underground and build towers till your base but it's 1.7.10-1.12.2 only
there are barb wires from immeresive enginerring
do i have to add aether myself?
i used JEI and typed aether but the list was empty, only a few things from aether redux
Aether is already in the modpack
So, in the settings I have it set for the server to use 10gb of Ram
yet when I run it, it only take like. 400mb and it's constantly complaining about being 40 or so ticks behind
it's set in variables, and it reflects in jvm_args. So, idk
send your variables.txt
wait
!general
If you are looking for assistance with one of our modpacks, please do not ask in #general! We have several dedicated channels below for each modpack so that you can get the support you need for the pack you are playing.
I noticed the modpack got updated 3 hours ago, would like to know what needs to be done in terms of like server files. Do I just replace/overwrite the old files with new ones? (Currently making a backup of course in case that doesn't work.)
!updateserver
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I noticed there's also a "modernfix" folder that this video doesn't address...should I replace that too?
you dont need to
Thanks
Also, is the V18 description wrong?
It says "FORGE IS NOW 43.2.5", but when I check the new version on my server it says 43.3.5
Can't find a 43.2.5
Guys, I have a problem with the new version of the mod pack, 3 mods give an error when loading
server? or client
Client
If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL.
To install ATLauncher, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATLauncher does not see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "New Instance". Click "Ok" on the opted out mods warning, then click "Open All" on the manual download screen.
7. Let the mods download, ATLauncher will grab them from your Downloads folder and automatically add them to the modpack.
8. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
To transfer your Curseforge world to ATLauncher, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATLauncher and paste the Saves folder there.
Because ATLauncher downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATLauncher also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATLauncher installed.
got a miner render bug in the current steampunk build. The sophisticated storage barrels are rendering blocks incorrectly. haven't found any issue on github for both sophisticated storage and steampunk. does anyone know how to fix this?
big
chomky
To reload textures and sounds, press F3 + T. If this doesn't bring up a loading screen, do the following:
1. Press escape and go to the Resourcepacks tab.
2. Move a Resourcepack on the left of the screen to the right.
3. Move that SAME Resourcepack back to the left.
4. Exit the menu.
If step 4 does not bring up a loading screen, do step 2, then step 4, then step 3, and then step 4 again.
issue with the Faithless resourcepack iirc
reload :3
thanks, trying this right now
is it fixable or do i need to disable faithless... i like it and this would be sad
will do, thanks for the advice 🙂
How do you turn off the in-game mic? Just curious since when we play on our server we usually do a call on discord
yes
you can turn it off inside settings 🙂
it’s a cool mod tho i suggest checking it out haha
Will do!
Also may have found a bug. Tetra tools don't seem to be minding or getting any yield from modded resources, currently in the nether and charstone nor Magmanum seem to drop anything.
Sometimes that happens to me, try rebooting the game, usually fixes it
nope, i still suffocate
even with the space suit on and the helmet
does anyone know where the skill book data is stored? All my player’s skill book data got wiped when I uploaded the world to Bisect. It was fine updating versions bringing over my world over
It should be in the world folder but I cant seem to locate it 
heyo guys
a small problem with steampunk
it's running at 2 fps and at 100% gpu utilization
here's the f3 page
it's an macbook pro 16in with an 5600m and i9-9980hk
and I'm lloting 11g ram
the graphics are set to the lowest
it ran fine before but during a play session it slowly dropped until it was around 4fps
and it only went down from there
I tried different launchers like atlauncher and prism
but neither worked
Firstly decrease the alloted ram to 8gigs
Yeah thats the thing with java
follow #faq performance guide
I looked there but couldnt find it. Ill check again when im home
it’s a mac
go back to 17
hmm
you can disable it
i no read right
ok launching
does
yep
sorry for bothering you guys with the problem though
it's probably something stupid with mac
dw
mac’s don’t have dedicated gpus
not a simple way of swapping away from igpu
i'm running an 5600m
nonono
I mean
I'm using intergrated graphics
oh it’s ur mac?
Noo
I'm saying their computer isn't the issue, their computer is more then capable
their computer is twice if not more better then mine
And I get 100+ fps
See that's like 5-6 times better then my igpu
Are you running any shaders
Try on a superflat world
What fps do you get
Make a manual one
I said make a manual one because I do not trust cf
Just in case, it's best solution
cough use atlauncher cough
!alternates
If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL.
To install ATLauncher, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATLauncher does not see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "New Instance". Click "Ok" on the opted out mods warning, then click "Open All" on the manual download screen.
7. Let the mods download, ATLauncher will grab them from your Downloads folder and automatically add them to the modpack.
8. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
To transfer your Curseforge world to ATLauncher, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATLauncher and paste the Saves folder there.
Because ATLauncher downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATLauncher also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATLauncher installed.
when building, my modpack randomly crashes, with the error message java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: null, anyone know how to fix it?
everything is just the way it was from install, apart from having turned the faithfull texture pack off
!moreinfo
Hello! For us to help you with your issue, you will need to answer all 8 questions below. Post the answers in this channel:
1. Have you modified the modpack in any way? If so, what did you do? (Updating/adding/removing mods, changing configs)
2. What launcher, or program, are you using to launch the game? (CurseForge, ATLauncher, etc)
3. What Minecraft version are you playing? (1.18.2, 1.16.5, 1.19.2)
4. What version of the modpack are you playing? (v11, v9, etc)
5. What steps are necessary to reproduce the crash? (Launching the game, exploring the world, etc)
6. Have you ever gotten past the point where the crash happens?
7. Send the crash report file into this channel. Right click the modpack, Open Folder, and navigate to the Crash Reports folder. Drag the newest one here. If there is no crash reports folder, do the same thing with the latest.log file in the logs folder.
8. Did you follow the Performance guide linked in #faq?
- Yes, kinda, turned off the texture pack.
- Using CurseForge.
- 1.19.2
- v17.5
- just building, itll crash randomly. only while placing blocks.
- no because it happens randomly
- attached
- no not yet
also i did alter the pack more but this crash happened beforehand as well so its unrelated
!alternates
If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL.
To install ATLauncher, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATLauncher does not see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "New Instance". Click "Ok" on the opted out mods warning, then click "Open All" on the manual download screen.
7. Let the mods download, ATLauncher will grab them from your Downloads folder and automatically add them to the modpack.
8. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
To transfer your Curseforge world to ATLauncher, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATLauncher and paste the Saves folder there.
Because ATLauncher downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATLauncher also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATLauncher installed.
ill try
knocks on wood please curseforge dont sscrew up on me any time soon for my browers delete mods that AT launcher cant install lol . . . . .
either your server or client was not installed properly
check your keybinds for conflicts
by default it only searched for the keybind names, e.g. "open mission window" (this is just an example i made up) 🤔
did everything, still happens! heres the atlauncher log:
im still crashing guys idk what to do
so give me a gist of whats been happening atm
i did
when i build i randomly crash
with the error message java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: null
i switched over to ATlauncher as reccommended and i still crashed
just this time i couldnt see a reason as its not the minecraft launcher
but i did provide a log from the AT launcher as well
nope
just playing normally trying to build than boom crash?
yeah i know, that's how i found it in the end. the endolocator most definitely does not work
like at all, even inside the stronghold
Lamara will fix the quests, thanks for reporting.
also might want to report it the devs of that mod
Quek did you find those skill files?
try as a test making a new world
Lol they just gone
might be in data
Im trying to reupload the whole world atm
tried updating from a backup on my pc and it works
think it's intended to work with the vanilla end portal frames, though i didn't notice if end remastered has its own portal frames
i'll check again
it uses the vanilla ones
i didnt try replacing it
i just
reuploading world
cos im scared something else also didnt upload proplery
Yeah
i only used duck duck cos the bisect article said use duck duck
I usually use filezilla
where the flip did I download duckduck from 
some scam site
never heard of duck duck before
nor well bisect reccomends to use lmfao
itts called
cyberduck
@vernal olive also the world zip is transfered
how to extract it 
Gen 4
yarp
that modpack support LAN mode? with other players who use that modpack in same room?
well
there is world sharing
not rlly ment for lan lan
for lan id suggest making a local server
and ur users joining via ipv4
!moreinfo
Hello! For us to help you with your issue, you will need to answer all 8 questions below. Post the answers in this channel:
1. Have you modified the modpack in any way? If so, what did you do? (Updating/adding/removing mods, changing configs)
2. What launcher, or program, are you using to launch the game? (CurseForge, ATLauncher, etc)
3. What Minecraft version are you playing? (1.18.2, 1.16.5, 1.19.2)
4. What version of the modpack are you playing? (v11, v9, etc)
5. What steps are necessary to reproduce the crash? (Launching the game, exploring the world, etc)
6. Have you ever gotten past the point where the crash happens?
7. Send the crash report file into this channel. Right click the modpack, Open Folder, and navigate to the Crash Reports folder. Drag the newest one here. If there is no crash reports folder, do the same thing with the latest.log file in the logs folder.
8. Did you follow the Performance guide linked in #faq?
We suggest renting a server from Bisect Hosting:
Approx. $10 - $25 a month depending on what plan you choose. You can also get 25% off with Code LunaPixel.
Go to https://www.bisecthosting.com/LunaPixel and order a plan which fits you. We suggest 1GB per player but nothing lower than 4GB as the server needs at least 3GB to run.
Go to #server-hosting for more Info!
Free Method: (This is hosting on your own PC, which is harder to do so we suggest getting a server via Bisect Hosting)
- Download the serverpack from Curseforge's website
- Right click the start.ps1 file and click Run with Powershell
To join your own server, typelocalhostinto Direct Connect.
This video explains the process https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuGUbVbLsDc
The server IP address is your Public IP Address, which can be found by googling my ip address
If other players are unable to join, find a portforwarding guide online.
- no
- atl
- 1.19.2
- v18
- me logging onto my server
- if I dont join, yeah
- yeah
edit: I reported it to the developer of Create Missions and they said they would try to fix it
https://github.com/Kryeit/Missions/issues/11#issuecomment-1802448118
hmmm
Entity Type: create:stationary_contraption
along with 2 mods listing as a bit busted

create mission was added this update
yeah
and the tree cutter is from my base
thats what the stationary might be
Ill report it on their github
def do
yeah saw movement behaviour
com.simibubi.create.foundation.utility.TreeCutter$Tree.handler$zmc000$destroyBlocks(TreeCutter.java:538) ~[create-1.19.2-0.5.1.f.jar%23427!/:0.5.1.f] {re:mixin,re:classloading,pl:mixin:APP:missions-common.mixins.json:create.TreeMixin,pl:mixin:A}
burb
Sharkie plz v18HF 
ping :3
yea
@shut valley
^ on v18
also Tetra client crash just like last time https://mclo.gs/EAESFFQ
thank you!!

Is there a reason why steampunk doesnt want to install?
!moreinfo
Hello! For us to help you with your issue, you will need to answer all 8 questions below. Post the answers in this channel:
1. Have you modified the modpack in any way? If so, what did you do? (Updating/adding/removing mods, changing configs)
2. What launcher, or program, are you using to launch the game? (CurseForge, ATLauncher, etc)
3. What Minecraft version are you playing? (1.18.2, 1.16.5, 1.19.2)
4. What version of the modpack are you playing? (v11, v9, etc)
5. What steps are necessary to reproduce the crash? (Launching the game, exploring the world, etc)
6. Have you ever gotten past the point where the crash happens?
7. Send the crash report file into this channel. Right click the modpack, Open Folder, and navigate to the Crash Reports folder. Drag the newest one here. If there is no crash reports folder, do the same thing with the latest.log file in the logs folder.
8. Did you follow the Performance guide linked in #faq?
!alternates
If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL.
To install ATLauncher, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATLauncher does not see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "New Instance". Click "Ok" on the opted out mods warning, then click "Open All" on the manual download screen.
7. Let the mods download, ATLauncher will grab them from your Downloads folder and automatically add them to the modpack.
8. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
To transfer your Curseforge world to ATLauncher, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATLauncher and paste the Saves folder there.
Because ATLauncher downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATLauncher also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATLauncher installed.
god, you are mready for everything haha
But how does that work?
Cause people have installed it.
But I cant.
ah okay, thanks!

yesterday i needed like 5 tries to install a modpack with atlauncher
but i think that was more like a curseforge website problem
Someonen has another opinion ahha
np
it breaks
sometimes
not as much as curseforge tho
you just did 
yeah since now haha
how do i farm arcane flowers
Am having some lag issues and was told to post this because apparently it makes sense to some people out there and they might be able to identify the issue. 🙂
switch to Java18
!openjdk
- Download an adoptium release for Java (recommended but not required):
- Java 11 (https://adoptium.net/temurin/releases/?version=11) for versions 1.16.5 and below (can also use 8 if its not working)
- Java 18 (https://adoptium.net/temurin/releases/?version=18) for any versions newer (or 17 if 18 doesn't work)
- Consider installing the JRE instead of the JDK for a smaller file size
-
When installing through adoptium, make sure that Add to PATH and Set JAVA_HOME variable are both set to be installed (please see https://imgur.com/a/jPu1h7h for how that would look)
-
Check if java has been correctly installed by running java --version (or java -version on older versions), and seeing if the output is correct (see https://imgur.com/a/OWcoq4p for an example of the output)
- NOTE: 64 bit versions of java ALWAYS have '64-bit Server VM' in the version output. If that is not there, you have installed a 32-BIT version!! If you're getting Out of Memory errors or any other errors, PLEASE install 64-bit
- If the output isn't as intended, you have 2 options.
i) Delete ALL other java versions from your PC (ONLY recommended if you don't need them)
ii) Redirect your launcher/server to use your new installation of Java
Method i
- Uninstall any other java program listed in your programs list (differs by OS, please find a guide for your own OS if you don't know)
- Attempt to re-use the command mentioned above (if the output is now correct, which it should be, you are ready to go)
Method ii
- For a server, please modify the $Java/JAVA variable (found in your startup script depending on ps1/sh) to the path of your java installation. For windows, this path is usually found in "Program Files/Eclipse Adoptium/version_of_java/bin"
- For a client, depending on whether you use CurseForge, GD, or AT, the process is slightly different. Please see a guide for each respective launcher on how to change the java version.
Hmm got a 10Gb server, not sure what I can do to lower or prevent the whole tick delay (max moments ago was 881 ticks ;Y)
!tps
Please click this link and follow the guide. If you are using a server host such as Bisect, you may be limited in your options and instead have a checkbox to use Aikar's Flags, which will also work:
https://github.com/brucethemoose/Minecraft-Performance-Flags-Benchmarks
If you can not launch your server/game after using these flags, then remove the word java from the start. Also, make sure you are using Java 18 on 1.18.2 / 1.19.2 and Java 11 on 1.16.5. These should be downloaded from Adoptium's website.
If lag persists, do the following command ingame:
/spark profiler start --only-ticks-over 50
Then, send the link in this channel.
I assume these are sort of server-only additional mods to aid in performance?
server lag recorder
doesn’t help with performance
Well the /spark bit seems like a mod (since it does nothing in game)
Spark is a server lag recorder mod
Thank you, sorry just new to aiding in running a dedicated server
I assume the flags go into the variables.txt
Appreciated
Hey, is there a way to make hunter villager stationary like a dog or something like that? Or will they always follow you as soon as you "tamed" them?
S T E A M P U N K M I N E C R A F T
?
yup
May I ask what I am supposed to do with that answer?
how do i update my steampunk server with out deliting it on Bisect
!updateserver
00:00 Update Server Locally
01:19 Update on Server Host/Bisect Hosting Premium
01:39 Update on Server Host/Bisect Hosting Premium
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So I installed java 8 and switched ATLauncher to go with java8 but the game still launches in java7. Suggestions?
ok thank u
im confussed on how to find my sever pack
thats not the same as my modpf is it?
oh wait i think i found it?
just says Steampink LPS
- java8 is for 1.8.9 to 1.16.5
you need java18
or 17
going back is worse
!openjdk
- Download an adoptium release for Java (recommended but not required):
- Java 11 (https://adoptium.net/temurin/releases/?version=11) for versions 1.16.5 and below (can also use 8 if its not working)
- Java 18 (https://adoptium.net/temurin/releases/?version=18) for any versions newer (or 17 if 18 doesn't work)
- Consider installing the JRE instead of the JDK for a smaller file size
-
When installing through adoptium, make sure that Add to PATH and Set JAVA_HOME variable are both set to be installed (please see https://imgur.com/a/jPu1h7h for how that would look)
-
Check if java has been correctly installed by running java --version (or java -version on older versions), and seeing if the output is correct (see https://imgur.com/a/OWcoq4p for an example of the output)
- NOTE: 64 bit versions of java ALWAYS have '64-bit Server VM' in the version output. If that is not there, you have installed a 32-BIT version!! If you're getting Out of Memory errors or any other errors, PLEASE install 64-bit
- If the output isn't as intended, you have 2 options.
i) Delete ALL other java versions from your PC (ONLY recommended if you don't need them)
ii) Redirect your launcher/server to use your new installation of Java
Method i
- Uninstall any other java program listed in your programs list (differs by OS, please find a guide for your own OS if you don't know)
- Attempt to re-use the command mentioned above (if the output is now correct, which it should be, you are ready to go)
Method ii
- For a server, please modify the $Java/JAVA variable (found in your startup script depending on ps1/sh) to the path of your java installation. For windows, this path is usually found in "Program Files/Eclipse Adoptium/version_of_java/bin"
- For a client, depending on whether you use CurseForge, GD, or AT, the process is slightly different. Please see a guide for each respective launcher on how to change the java version.
Yeah that was a typo. Thanks though
follow that guide itll help ya
would it be ok to ask for help on one thing in vc?
follow the video its a diff modpack but same setup for servers
i know that i just dont know where my server thing would be and he dosent say
in his vid his folder says his mod then server pack
i only see mine that says my modpack and not server pack
i didnt know if that was the same
than you downloaded the wrong thing
it should be called server pack
V18 server files ^
if it says modpack, thats for client. if it says serverfiles, thats for server.
ill look more
does anyone know why the skill book resets sometimes after updates?
you try that
most people can see but very few are able to look
do u auto maticly get the server file when u make the server?
the server files generate when you start the Start.ps1
all i could fined that has somthing to do with the steampunk mod or server
#1 ur not following the guide
#2 its supposed to look like this
Is there any Steampunk server?
i cant find that in my files and i ive followed the vid guid up to this point
i have given you the link to the server files
you brushed past it
^
its not the same as the mod pack?
not even close
there is a reason it asks for SERVER FILES and not MODPACK
serverfiles contains specific mods/configs for servers
using the modpacks could work but modpacks generally have CLIENT ONLY mods inside of them like oculus 3d skin layers etc
they crash the server upon launch
so dose this mean a world would have to be restarted cuz i used the other mod pack as a server?
wait wym other modpack
are you saying like using Bettermc but now you wanna use that world in steampunk?
or just client modpack -> server files modpack
nono sorry
yes i belive
thats perfectly fine
doesnt matter if you go. Server files world -> client modpack
they are world
hold data of modpack
as long as ur not going. Bmc forge 4 -> steampunk
ur fine
ok ill listen to the vid now and follow it

sorry if i fustrated u im like timmy sped so its hard to understand some times
LMAO dw about it
it happens
sometimes we just gotta knock it into ur minds 
at least you UNDERSTOOD unlike some other people 
tlauncher users
did you check the error logs?
incomprehensible
Failed to process processor with jar net.minecraftforge:installertools:1.3.0 as there was an error invoking the jar
java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer
and a ton of others
i cant downgrade to v17.5 either
Filezilla he said thats new to me
im looking at it but it looks like a scam place lol
i assume i click the server one right?
client
ur not downloading to get files into server ur downloading to put client files into server
which is client
i hope you read this :3
i can
when is says my contol panel password dose that mean my password for bisect?
do you have a bisect server?
or a local server
what's tlauncher is that like tseries
russian spyware disguiased as a pirated copy of minecraft
nope ur good
yes
try to just download steampunk lps again
on filezilla i dellet the confi, defult, and mods like on bisect sever right?
java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot read field "mapToResources" because "index" is null
yerp

atlauncher installing?
or what
this error?^
yea
mannnnn
science is fake
i think it deleted when i deleted it on the Bisect panel. do u know witch one i throw the 3 in?
i think bottem right but im not 100%
you want to upload, mods default configs, configs and libraries
nope
drag and drop ur files here
its best to delete the server first
follow this
since bisect
that sound like alot
well other than ur world ofc
follow the bisect guide
dw
costom modpack?
yea go lower
Failed to process processor with jar net.minecraftforge:installertools:1.3.0 as there was an error invoking the jar
ah
forge being a bitch
keep installing give it like 2 more tries
weirdly just (doing it agian) works
we'll see
mhm
there may be hope
is the ftp cliant the filezilla shit?
yes
only took me 9 tries
yay
Saw an earlier message to run the spark thing and send the result here, so: https://spark.lucko.me/pjpNjqIcVC
Still running into the issue of the server complaining about ticks even after all the flags and checking things
Anyway, some information i've found on chameleons since chameleon molt is fantastic insulation but there ain't no info anywhere. As of Steampunk v15.5:
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Wild chameleons spawn in these biomes (from most common to least common): bamboo jungle, jungle, rainforest (atmospheric), rainforest basin, sparse rainforest, rainforest (biomesoplenty), sparse jungle, sparse rainforest basin, rocky rainforest, fungal jungle, tropics, lush desert, outback, florishing dunes, desert, dunes, rocky dunes, petrified desert.
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Taming wild chameleons uses spider eye, raw fish or fermented spider eye, throw the item on the ground in front of the chameleon and it should eat it and hearts should appear.
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If you've rclicked your chameleon and it disappears, it's sitting on your head and can be forcefully removed from said location by crouching rapidly.
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Chameleons will molt roughly once every minecraft day or so and will give around 1-3 chameleon molts. Visually a chameleon that is molting looks greyish, the process lasts for several seconds after which the molt just pops onto the ground.
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Chameleon molt can be applied to your armour at the sewing table to provide adaptive insulation, which means it starts off weak but gradually increases to match your environment be it cold or hot.
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If your chameleon is injured you can heal it by throwing any of it's taming items at it and it will eat to recover.
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I have no idea how to get them to mate, if they even do so at all.
step 8 is it asking me to now drag the serevewr stuff in the zilla stuff?
:)
yerp
is that good or bad
terrible
o h
o h
ah yes

Oh that is abyssmal
it wont let me drag T_T
I mean, all i've done with create is make a infinity steam engine and set up some simple conveyors and processors. Beyond that, not much.
Is there anything I can do about this at the moment, or is this a Create mod issue
maybe stop the machines for the moment?
if it becomes too bad, yeah, but I'm wondering if there's anything else i can do serverside beforehand
or in Create configs maybe
Do you guys know what config for the recruits-common I have to change to get the teams working?
Yeah stopping the machine didn't do anything
check pinned messages
Ohh okay I got it thank you
np
It should be noted that the tick issue became a thing after the v18 update
!alternates @tribal citrus
If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL.
To install ATLauncher, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATLauncher does not see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "New Instance". Click "Ok" on the opted out mods warning, then click "Open All" on the manual download screen.
7. Let the mods download, ATLauncher will grab them from your Downloads folder and automatically add them to the modpack.
8. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
To transfer your Curseforge world to ATLauncher, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATLauncher and paste the Saves folder there.
Because ATLauncher downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATLauncher also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATLauncher installed.
guys im temporarily shutting down my server and its been stuck here for 5 minutes
what do i do
can i just click the x?
You can close it
ok cool
what is the point of the seven curses ring
good buffs
and curses
too late 🤷♂️
it's pretty worth tbh
The shield is worth it alone tbh
is it on purpose that a regular shield cant be made with regular wood and iron
iirc yes, jei can show recipe
@vernal olive
v18 yeah
there is some issues on it atm
i suggest waiting for a HF to come out sadly
wait whats the actual issue here
at com.simibubi.create.foundation.utility.TreeCutter$Tree
something with treecutter


its reported
its funni
atleast when Sharkie wakes up
I'm trying to upgrade my chest but every time I try to do it it says this https://gyazo.com/f095714f1b29182ec9b45f3030246d43
seems to be an advancement crash this time
wil fix when im home
how do i open missions menu?..
h key is the default
can somebody tell me how to get soul sprout?
replant them on soulsand next to lava, and they will grow very tall. once they are about 4 blocks tall or higher you can break them do double them.
It can grow to 6 high
If you somehow ran out you can just find more exploring
Or barter with piglins
What mod was recently added in v18, which fucks up Create contraptions?
Is it Packet Fixer? It seems like everything is slowed down.
A few examples, since updating to v18 from v17.5:
Smart Chutes usually drops items through VERY fast. Now it's one stack every 1,5 seconds
Mobs at my mob farm (being transported by a Belt) - is no longer "fluidly" moving, but rather "jumping/warping" from one block to another, as well as falling into the kill tube very slowly/odd
Sword on Deployer at my mob farm is SUPER slow
Items being transported on belts SUPER slow (like I have a belt at 256, but the item is barely moving along the belt)
Create had an update with perfomance measures, coudl be that
Thanks for quick feedback, Sharkie. Ah, it went from "e" to "f", didn't see that. Super weird.
I tried just now to delete Packet Fixer, because I thought it might be that.. It wasn't, so pretty sure you're right.

is it possible the create update is what's causing Create to reach 200% usage on my server? lol
how to install it on server any idea
on pterodactyl
i extracted the server pack made it run of my windows machine and uploaded the file
what to do for server.jar
i tried forge installer it gave this error
WARNING: Using incubator modules: jdk.incubator.vector
JVM info: Eclipse Adoptium - 17.0.9 - 17.0.9+9
java.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
Current Time: 09/11/2023 08:42:39
Exception in thread "main"
joptsimple.UnrecognizedOptionException: nogui is not a recognized option
at joptsimple.OptionException.unrecognizedOption(OptionException.java:108)
at joptsimple.OptionParser.handleLongOptionToken(OptionParser.java:510)
at joptsimple.OptionParserState$2.handleArgument(OptionParserState.java:56)
at joptsimple.OptionParser.parse(OptionParser.java:396)
at net.minecraftforge.installer.SimpleInstaller.main(SimpleInstaller.java:93)```
earlier running the installer used to give forge.jar which worked fine( better mc 1.16.5 forge)
About the server tick issue: It's still happening, but create is down to 62%
And the ticks are worse
Scratch that, Create is still over 100%
Could it be simple voice chat that's causing the lag?
(its not, I'm testing now)
ah thanks 
do a spark profiler
waiting for them to update
@slender kettle can you attest to the insanity of the spark profiler sent earlier?
So, drwoops (is a dev from Create?) says, pretty confidently, that is has nothing to do with the performance changes in "f". He is saying it could be Supplementaries, Farmer's Delight, or Extended Cogwheels. I tried to explain that we have over 4k hours combined so far, and the issue was not here until this morning, after updating from 17.5->18 (which means e->f).
Lastly he said that we (you) dont need CC:CBridge in the modpack, because Create already has CC-compabilities.
thiis on latest?
- weird, maybe see if reverting back to e fixes it?
- it also adds extra stuff so wont make sense removing it
made 20 mins ago, so its a brand new fresh server?
think they mean the profiler was made 20min
yeah
The server was updated to v18, and the tick issues came with the update
Profiler was made 20 minutes or so ago
are you doing anything with kinetics.crafting of some sort?
Are those the mechanical crafters?
honestly dont know, i still dont know create myself
any sort of item crafting thats happening?
Nope
But I do have a wall of mechanical crafters set up, let me disconnect them from the steam engine
That is the mechanical crafter
i think

this is why i pay you the big bucks
it also has something to do with recipes so can also be RRecipe Essentials
https://spark.lucko.me/MPfnslAmQn Here's the most recent/live profiler
Disconnecting the mechanical crafters has not effected the ticks
coudl you remove recipe essentials and restart the server and do another?
Yeah one sec
Thanks again, Sharkie.
So, tried rolling back to "e" (together with Enchantment Industry and Central Kitchen). But I guess I am missing something?
Railway mod too
Issue is still there, even after rolling back to "e". So I will try to remove the new mods one-by-one, and see if that fixes it.
ok so it is, yeah I would test it but I dont have anythign that lags it
can also be a mod update
Well, yeah, either that, or I am rolling back to 17.5 - here we had no issues
Have a nice day! Will update when I know more 🙂
check if its Customizable Player Models
if not send me the world
i can test if need be
That's nice of you, thanks. When was CPM added? In v18?
nah it was updated and it was added ages ago when Vivecraft Compat was added
Tried making another profiler log with only ticks above 50, but apparently its having an issue uploading and wont give me a link
its a dependancy
ss?
ss?
screenshot
All it said was that it was stopping the profiler and uploading, please wait and I haven't got a link yet lol
tried again and this is what the terminal said
weird, ok add it back, go to Recipe Esenstials config and enable cache
Can do
In the meanwhile, i was able to get a live profile https://spark.lucko.me/2OGzB0VIJp
Enable cache recipes, log caching errors, or both?
Again, spark didn't like me and didn't give me a link, so I'll start another profiler and try and give a live link
https://spark.lucko.me/Cu2nbUQmPr There's the live link with recipe essential's cache enabled
Hi, i have a question. Are u about to add a mounts mod for the next modpack update? Thanks 🙂
So, tried with all the new mods, to remove them one by one. But it wasn't them. I then tried a SP world, and here I had no issues?
Am I correct that this leaves it to be a server-related issue?
Hi guys, anyone knows how to get soul stone?
Does it not show up in jei
From better nether?
it's supposed to spawn in soul sand valleys
bygone nether
You can use soul sand for wither
Ultimately took it from creative
you can find soul stone in the Catacombs structure
Yeah but the quest doesn't get completed thst way
And didnt know bout that
It did for me in SteamPunk 
LESGOOOOOO
so soul sand is enough right?
I have 18 wither skulls
I made the insanity of the soul revitalizer
it culd be the host issue or it can be a mod issue
it works
ayy 
this is for the insane amounts of glowstone
I ain't gonna mine 500 glowstone blocks
@crisp eaglewhos your host?
Also it's powered by 6 large waterwheels on 128 RPM
id jus tsay send me the world
Scalacube >.< I wrote them already.
doesnt work
Damn. I'll get a new profile later, and hopefully spark will let me send a proper one instead of a live one. Either way, from what I saw in the terminal it didn't affect much, ticks were still up in the 80 - 110 delay.
what are these sounds..
Inventory > Top left, the book icon.
Yep.
Also, my friend keeps crashing on joining the server, despite me having no issues, console doesn't hint at what could cause it. He was joining fine last night
Hello! For us to help you with your issue, you will need to answer all 8 questions below. Post the answers in this channel:
1. Have you modified the modpack in any way? If so, what did you do? (Updating/adding/removing mods, changing configs)
2. What launcher, or program, are you using to launch the game? (CurseForge, ATLauncher, etc)
3. What Minecraft version are you playing? (1.18.2, 1.16.5, 1.19.2)
4. What version of the modpack are you playing? (v11, v9, etc)
5. What steps are necessary to reproduce the crash? (Launching the game, exploring the world, etc)
6. Have you ever gotten past the point where the crash happens?
7. Send the crash report file into this channel. Right click the modpack, Open Folder, and navigate to the Crash Reports folder. Drag the newest one here. If there is no crash reports folder, do the same thing with the latest.log file in the logs folder.
8. Did you follow the Performance guide linked in #faq?
If any of the staff or team (or someone who knows stuff) could aid me with trying to solve some of our server's issues, I'd be eternaly grateful
Is this modpack vr compatible because I saw the vr button?
H
need crash reprort
whats the issue?
should say what the problems are so we can help you out rq
have you even tried pressing the button
launcher?>
delete your options.txt and restart
its inside ur folder
just modpack folder
no need to path inside just once insice ur profile/modpack folder scroll down and delete options.txr
Where can my friend find it?
txt
!logs
To better assist with fixing an issue, we will need some logs: Curseforge/GDLauncher-> Right click the modpack instance -> Open Folder. For MultiMC -> Click 'Instance Folder' on the right.
Find the file 'Latest' in the 'Logs' folder. If there is a folder called 'Crash Reports' then find the newest file from today. Upload these as requested.
Server's lag is quite unbearable, like 881 ticks behind was the highest recorded. We're kinda looking into it on our own end to see what the issue is (if it's like the server not using it's full 10GB of ram)
!tps
Please click this link and follow the guide. If you are using a server host such as Bisect, you may be limited in your options and instead have a checkbox to use Aikar's Flags, which will also work:
https://github.com/brucethemoose/Minecraft-Performance-Flags-Benchmarks
If you can not launch your server/game after using these flags, then remove the word java from the start. Also, make sure you are using Java 18 on 1.18.2 / 1.19.2 and Java 11 on 1.16.5. These should be downloaded from Adoptium's website.
If lag persists, do the following command ingame:
/spark profiler start --only-ticks-over 50
Then, send the link in this channel.
run this than
running for 2 mins isnt that much but ill check
I'll run a longer one on server restart (currently restarting)
Will do, give me a sec
sure
Getting the crash report from my friend as well in the meantime
So I can share it
sure
crash report r log
or*
that one seems to be a log
i cant open it atm since its a GZ
Should it be named 'crash report'?
nah
just open the file up and grab the txt file inside and send here plz
i cant view gz files on ipad 
ty
Also running the profile atm
Ram allocated?
The log file is 145mb
size of log is 145mb
is this your friends log?
Yeah
i physically cannot open that log
could you remove simple voice chat server and client and see if that fixes the crash and lag?
well yeah
After the profiler's done I will
Will let ya know how the performance changes.
Also, my friend's asking (we're both co-hosting the server) what is the proper syntax for setting your server's minimum and maximum RAM usage in user_jvm_args.txt
# They can take any number, followed by an M or a G.
# M means Megabyte, G means Gigabyte.
# For example, to set the maximum to 3GB: -Xmx3G
# To set the minimum to 2.5GB: -Xms2500M
# A good default for a modded server is 4GB.
# Uncomment the next line to set it.
-Xms5G
-Xmx10G```
He's curious why the profiler (earlier) said 5.3GB when the server's a 10GB, leaving us to believe the server wasn't using all of it's RAM or something and maybe that's why it's lagging?
the way minecrarft works is it takes the RAM it requires NOW and has backup so it can use it efficetly
it wont use the 10gb right away but later
Here's the other two crashes, smaller sizes
sure
they are logs
not crahss
crashes are in the Crash Reports folder
Ah okay, one sec
no worries
Suspected Mods:
Simple Voice Chat (voicechat), Version: 1.19.2-2.4.28
Issue tracker URL: https://github.com/henkelmax/simple-voice-chat/issues
at TRANSFORMER/voicechat@1.19.2-2.4.28/de.maxhenkel.voicechat.plugins.PluginManager.dispatchEvent(PluginManager.java:136)
Sound Physics Remastered (sound_physics_remastered), Version: 1.19.2-1.2.1
at TRANSFORMER/sound_physics_remastered@1.19.2-1.2.1/com.sonicether.soundphysics.SoundPhysics.setupEFX(SoundPhysics.java:84)
Stacktrace:```
yeah voicechat is ur issue here
Ah, so that's the mod causing crashes?
Well then, we'll delete it off the server and clients then
Also
the 10 min profiler
create mod is taking 50% of ur server performence
do you guys have any really large builds?
also its pretty perfered to run java18 it should help a bit but not fix ur problem entirely
main issue is create
We've got a few things yeah.
Like 3 fat steam engines powering Create: New Age rotary magnet to create power (They go pretty fast both the engines and the spinning magnet things)
try atm turning them off for a bit
And a few other things, smaller builds, but that's the biggest contraption in constant use.
So, I wrote Scalacube, and they set up a new server for me. Unfortunately that did not change anything; after copying over my world to the new server FTP, the issue is still there on the new server. I tried as well to copy our MP world to an SP-instance, all the same issues on the newly copied SP.
If I create a new wold on SP, or if I visit old Creative-worlds, then I have no issues with e.g. items dropping slowly on belts.
So... yeah, I am clueless.
Here's a reference video of how it looks:
https://youtu.be/cZWpWjBwVJE
https://youtu.be/oUlm1HuUAe0
to test tps
Alright, deleting voicechat first
mhm
did you ever try removing simple voice chat?
We're using Shockbyte to host the server, does have Java18 as a "Custom Server Type" option.
Yup, removed every new mod, one by one, added them again. Weird is if I start a new world, in the same instance (ATLauncher) - with all the same mods, there is no problem.
yeah i can guess it was shockbyte from the performence
Giving me this now tho..
[K[33m[16:48:00] [Server thread/WARN] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 33271ms or 665 ticks behind
[m>
[K[33m[16:48:40] [Server thread/WARN] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 25355ms or 507 ticks behind
[m>
[K[33m[16:49:18] [Server thread/WARN] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 22946ms or 458 ticks behind
[m>
Soo.. yeah. I am trying out this SPARK thing, to see what's up 😛
well ofcourse it wont lag as you dont have the same machines setup
go set ur jar and custom java to customjava18
Hmm, well then why do you suspect it is a mod-issue? o.O
Then it has to be a contraption/build-issue, something lagging the whole server.
Seeing I can re-create it on SP with same world, but new worlds have no issue.
Oh just change the file name?
because the create dev said its not a create issue
both
so something is causing an issue with create im assuming
and didnt you stop a contraption?
its extremely hard to help when I dont have control over the testing
No problem, don't sweat, Sharkie - I'm very happy with the help I'm receiving. If you want my world to test, I can send it (I know you said you'd resort to that, if needed -- thanks for that, btw). But first I am doing a Spark-install, to see if I can figure out those numbers.
But yeah, as said, yesterday evening - no problems, we played for 3-4 hours with 40 ticks lag.
This morning we updated from 17.5->18, and all these issues (mentioned earlier and shown in the video) started.
There's no jar file in the FTP access, not sure if it's somewhere else.
hmm it should be there
rename the forge jar to customjava18
I think its something to do with crafting, is there a machine thats crafting?
Yeah there wasn't before
and it ran somehow
Found it pretty weird but the server ran so I shrugged it off
I have no Mechanical Crafters set up for automatic crafting, but ofc I have contraptions, like a wool farm with deployers, chutes, etc., casings, wood farm + wood processing.. I mean.. basic Create-stuff.
Whats weird is, if you see this short clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZWpWjBwVJE
I am being transported normally on the belts (entity?) but an item is not.
When I set up the server I trasnferred all my server files there. (The download had no java in it, just a powershell thing) so hence no java file being in there...still it ran without one weirdly enough.
personally that belt is going wayyyy to fast and having too many can cause issues? idk try stopping all your create things and see
https://i.imgur.com/HOkTtYa.png - Default files, no jar.
Hehe, it's one we toggle on and off sometimes. It's a small super-fast-conveyor belt to get us about 16 chunks back and forth between bases. But yeah, it's going to be removed 🙂
It's usually not 256 tho, set it to that to test what worked.
Know where I can find a .jar server file that will run the mods n' such?
i was attacking one of the end jellyfish or whatever theyre called and now i cant access my world. any help?
manually installing the forge would do that but id suggest making a ticket and asking for it to be installed
i checked and it was a gloop i had attacked. my world crashes any time i try to load in. should i uninstall enlightened and reinstall after?
fixed it thank god
ALL my contraptions have now been turned off. Even my steam engine and windmills.
I then tried turning on ONLY the fast belt, and the issue is still here, with items moving slow - but I, an entity, am being transported FAST.
What command should I use for the Spark Profiler, so I/you/we can get as much info as possible?
/spark profiler --timeout 30
send the link
@crisp eagle do you have any kinetic dynamo or mechanical crafters?
No Kinetic Dynamo, and only a set of idle Mechanical Crafters (no power to them)
send me the spark when you can
On it.. My (new) server just crashed before I could start it.
Will send crash report as well. Again, thanks Sharkie..
Also nice to see, that I am paying for a 12GB RAM server, but they are only giving me 5GB. Guess I won't be renewing my subscription 😉
no
minecraft wants to use 5gb rn and has a total of 12gb to use
use trains instead of belts to transfer, its faster and less laggy
it wont use 12gb right away
Ah okay, no heads will roll then 😉 Thanks for clearing that up
np
btw 1.5k arrows are existing on ur wolrd
do /kill @e[type=item,arrow]
1.5k arrows?!
yes
These fucking recruits
yep that mod causes tons of issues
I'm tempted to delete the recruits mod
We've been talking about disabling it. Although they did give us like 1k barrels and other stuff.
Cause they keep showing up, we kill em, they leave like 50 horses in our backyard.
It's a novel idea
But when you got turrets, who needs villager defenders.
Lol ...
[K[33m[17:30:22] [Server thread/WARN] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 44453ms or 889 ticks behind
[m>
[K[32m[17:30:36] [Server thread/INFO] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: [Ch4mb3r5: Killed 1418 entities]
[m>
[K[33m[17:30:52] [Server thread/WARN] [minecraft/MinecraftServer]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 14379ms or 287 ticks behind
[m>
So that did like 600 ticks worth of damage.
Ima run a second a second profiler with the steam engines off.
arrows.?
or did kill command lol
Yeah the arrows
yeah they cause many issues
Well after they are gone, I went from 800+ to 287
Power provider...at max speed.
what hoster do you use








