#otherworld

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winged hemlock
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thanks for the reminder, wither skeletons might need some adjustment too

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and vindicators come to think of it

flint wasp
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I cant remember if its a thunderstorm or not but if you fight a missionary it makes it cloudy and start to rain

dim helm
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how to set void that apotheosis not legendary item lol

azure crest
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Hey everyone! I’m having an issue with the 'Otherworld [Dungeons & Dragons]' modpack. Dragons from 'Ice & Fire' walk around normally, but they only fly vertically β€” like an elevator going up and down. Has anyone else dealt with this? Any help would be appreciated!

flint wasp
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Ive been noticing the same thing but havnt seen a way to stop them from doing that

woven perch
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Are there fallen chaos knight spawners?

worldly wyvern
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hello i want to play the modpack but i keep crashing

tall jackal
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Man being a necromancer is hard

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What type of magic i should focus at

meager tendon
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GUYS HOW TO PLAY WITH FRIEND?

dim helm
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enderman farm

meager tendon
flint wasp
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!ws

dense oysterBOT
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Luna Pixel's World Sharing

Our modpacks don't support any mods that add singleplayer hosting / world sharing because we already provide free world sharing. The 'Essential' mod is therefore incompatible.

To share your world using our own world hosting, click the 'Open to Lan' or 'Share World' button in the game menu when in a singleplayer world, and share the world.

It will give you an address, like magma-cube.mc.lunapixel.gg, which your friends can use to connect directly to your world as if it were a server!

We still highly suggest not to play through LAN as LAN is untested and unreliable. Using it will cause longterm damage to your world.

There is no reason to use LAN, as we support both paid and free methods of hosting a server the normal way.

If you get an error in chat when trying to host your world, we highly recommend selfhosting instead as it's free, very easy, and much more stable. Run the !server command in #bots to learn more.

flint wasp
lost schooner
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i dont mean this... It said old champion Lich, it is after the pirate ship in the first chapter

pearl condor
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One quest, at top is for lich

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You find it by using soul stars

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One quest is for old champion

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You find it by using moonstone compass

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There's no old champion lich

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There's no such abomination

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If you feel we're wrong or not getting what you're saying, provide screenshot of what you're looking for

lost schooner
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Sorry i mean this. Didn't wanted to come up as make someone wrong. I just wanted to say that i meant smth else.

pearl condor
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Cornelia

lost schooner
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oh

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is it i 100% drop or need to find another pirate ship?

pearl condor
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It should be 100% chance drop unless you playing in v4hf and or you by some chance had knowledge of ages enchant

lost schooner
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Nn, i am playing v5 and made no changes. Maybe i just missed her droping it, the end of the fight was in the water.

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Thanks a lot

rocky sonnet
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bro, we keep getting an error message

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saying an error occured

pearl condor
dense oysterBOT
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Moon World Sharing servers are likely currently at capacity

If you or your friend are receiving an error such as "An error occurred in Luna", or "Connection refused: no further information" when trying to play through "Open to LAN" or "Share World", it's likely that Luna's servers (used for world sharing) are currently full. We don't have a way to know when slots on our servers free up, but you are welcome to try again later.

We understand and recognize that this may be inconvenient, so we recommend in this case to host or rent your own server. Self-hosting is free, for more information on supported hosting options, type !server in #bots.

If you'd prefer an alternate world sharing mod such as Essential over the previous methods, risks of it are outlined in !ea, as well as how to use it if you accept the risks and void of support.

This command does NOT change or know if they are full or not, this is something ran as the most common issue.

rocky sonnet
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what mod is being used to not allow essentials

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so i can use essentials

pearl condor
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You will loose all support if you choose to use essentials catwitdaheadphoneson

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All and any

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!ea

dense oysterBOT
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⚠️ Essential Mod Not Supported

We strongly recommend against using Essential with our modpacks, and we add a warning screen during modpack startup containing the following message by default. A free world-sharing alternative is already built-in called Luna - click Share World in the game menu to use it.

Why we don't support Essential:

  • Technical issues: We've received multiple user reports of problems when combining Essential with our modpacks, including reports of world corruption. While there is no conclusive evidence of Essential as the definite cause, we do not have the development or support capacity to resolve issues potentially caused by it.

  • Security concerns: Essential's auto-updater introduces potential security risks that are outside of our control.

  • Ethics: We object to Essential's inclusion of in-game currency and microtransactions in an otherwise free modding environment.

If you choose to use Essential anyway

Please understand that you do so at your own risk and will not be eligible for support from our team. To remove this warning, you can open your modpack instance folder, navigate to config/crash_assistant/problematic_mods_config.json, and under essential-container, change should_crash_on_startup from true to false.

dim helm
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bro πŸ’€

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nether gauntlet one shot my armor

pearl condor
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Yes

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It's known bug

dim helm
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MY expensive ARMOR 😭

pearl condor
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Okay

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You shouldn't face rank bosses tbf

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But it is a bug

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So contact server admin or cheat

dim helm
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I am

pearl condor
dim helm
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I get back my armor

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by force killing the server πŸ‘

pearl condor
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@solemn prawn explain your issue

solemn prawn
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im having issues in getting into my server, my friend is in the server and i didnt have issues prior. i can load into a private world but it isnt allowing me into the server

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ive tried deleting and reinstalling, restarting my computer, restarting the server, and restarting curseforge, however nothing is working

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im getting a failed to retrieve profile key pair. also that its an invalid session and to restart it. however ive done that for the past hour

pearl condor
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how is server hosted

solemn prawn
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by apexminecrafthosting

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its a dedicated server

pearl condor
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okay

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have you

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  1. tried contacting their support
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  1. did you choose option for them to install modpack, or did you do it manually?
solemn prawn
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i have other people still activly in the server. its just me that cant access it

pearl condor
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okay

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that doesn't answer my questions anyhow

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it could also be

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(if that's the case, reinstall pack on ATL/Prism)

woven perch
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how do we turn bronze coins into silver coins?

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nevermind, figured it out

gloomy owl
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Are To's magic n extra's armors actually the endgame armors?

pearl condor
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for mages, yes

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for warriors/rangers no clue

cyan field
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anyone know how to obtain a lot coral chunk ?

pearl condor
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if you speak about the thingy needed to summon leviathan

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then well - go to oceans after killing one

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and just kill corallsus n such

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with looting & scavenger as high as u can

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that's rly only way

cyan field
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It not spawn again?

pearl condor
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after you kill leviathan, they - corralsus - start to spawn in oceans naturally

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I believe something like that is true

cyan field
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Okay Thx

woven perch
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where to find allays? my friend is too lazy to delete his servers to ask here

pearl condor
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you

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you could've googled

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Minecraft Wiki

An allay is a small flying passive mob that follows the player who has given it an item, or any note block instrument it has heard in the last 30 seconds. It collects dropped instances of its held item and drops them near the player or note block it is currently following.

rustic pike
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My character is level 6 Artificer do they get spells like in dnd where you put them on an item or do I also need a spellbook I'm confused how it works as I don't have magic yet πŸ˜…

pearl condor
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not like dnd

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yes to spellbook

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"spells" are done via iron's

arctic belfry
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Hey is there any way to get an orb of origin without the questline or creative

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?

arctic belfry
pearl condor
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Well

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Yes, cheats

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But other then that, no

pearl condor
arctic belfry
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well i was just wondering if there was some hidden way to find it like through an ancient city or quest through like those npcs

pearl condor
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Nope

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At least not yet

arctic belfry
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Well here is my final question then

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is there a way to change your ability? or is that completely linked to your orb

pearl condor
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what ability?

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there are like, racials and class things

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you are born with racials, class depends on your class

arctic belfry
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Like your base ability for example a dragon for me my Keybind is G to shoot dragons breath or whatever

pearl condor
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yeah

arctic belfry
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Is there a way to change that?

pearl condor
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keybind?

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or to have something else

arctic belfry
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No

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the ability

pearl condor
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to have something else - you can't

arctic belfry
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Ah okay thought so thank you ❀️

pearl condor
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it's your ability from birth

arctic belfry
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Got it

gloomy owl
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best lightning spells

pearl condor
pearl condor
dense oysterBOT
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There is no best, it's based on preference. What's best is to try it out yourself as what you like may be something someone else dislikes.

pearl condor
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(best is obviously legendary grueless)

gloomy owl
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i just don't want to waste leg ink

pearl condor
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yeah

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best is legendary

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that's all

woeful hill
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how do i make these guys like me (preferably without curing), i just gave them 2 stacks of bread and he hates me still :(

pearl condor
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if you want to taste em all, go play increative

pearl condor
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and crouch

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them feed em emerald

woeful hill
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LOL WHAT

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ok

pearl condor
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also STOP STEALING / KILLING THEM/FROM THEM

woeful hill
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I ONLY TOOK LIKE 70 CHESTS

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😭

pearl condor
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"only"

woeful hill
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only

pearl condor
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70 chests is a lot

woeful hill
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nah fr i only opene dlike 5 in front of them

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theres this one that hates my guts so bad im mad he hasnt been eaten alive by zombies yet

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</3

pearl condor
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that one villager who has been cured

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to village of fresh bloods, yet to be converted

woeful hill
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yesh

inner meteor
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Also don't try to reroll their stations, they hate that too

woeful hill
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is a major positive like winning a raid cause it wont let me feed them emeralds anymore </3

inner meteor
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Probably

woeful hill
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crap

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curing it is

inner meteor
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yeah modded raids are pratically a death sentence for your villagers

woeful hill
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i accidentally triggered one at a tower and the villager is at the top so hopefully one day when i ddo that itll yk not end badly lmao

woven perch
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Best way to farm gems?

fading gate
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guys I need help whenever I join my single player world it says connection lost why?

kindred snow
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is there any way not to just freeze to death every single second because the dumb seasons mod

golden owl
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anyone familiar with a bug where the beach king crab in otherworld causes crashes?

fallen escarp
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This is the first time I've seen too expensive on a blaze enchanter

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scav 2 to 3 take 1.4k

fallen escarp
noble lintel
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The feat is worth it

woeful hill
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you couldd just remove it tbh if youve got a huge issue with it

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or torches, campfires, leather armor

lost canyon
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what are some tips for a noob group just starting?

tepid spindle
# lost canyon what are some tips for a noob group just starting?

Make sure to plan your explorations. 10k Blocks away from your bed - corpsruns really kill the mood. So either have warp plates ready or move spawns/beds closer before heading into unknown danger.
At home a little create mod goes a long way for wood/ iron/ potions.
For your Backpack i suggest a sleeping back, purified canteen, food and scrolls to teleport home

winged hemlock
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I saw this fork, some good ideas in there! druids are getting a new power type I think you'll find very interesting :)

kindred snow
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im in a plains biome son

kindred snow
noble lintel
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You can use the weaving (?) mechanic to alter your armor for heat/cold resist, but I would greatly suggest the feat

plain sandal
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Is otherworld a MC modpack? i dont see it in curseforge

gloomy owl
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there's no way thunderstorms aren't bugged because i heard lightning, went out to see it was raining, placed down my lightning rod and lightning heart and it didn't do anything even with a channeling trident

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3 irl days waiting for one fucking thunderstorm

leaden surge
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just scroll

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its not on top

grizzled schooner
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Quick question, the Ancient Remnant didn't drop the skull, is this normal?

pearl condor
pearl condor
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well

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ig that link has curseforge links too

grizzled schooner
pearl condor
pearl condor
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or it may have dropped and you just missed it

pearl condor
grizzled schooner
pearl condor
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are you on v5?

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and did you modify pack

grizzled schooner
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Yes V5

pearl condor
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if you on v5, unmodified - it should've dropped no issues

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I doubt if there's any mod in pack by default preventing/altering drop of it

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I did get it but I was in v4hf

weak abyss
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How do we check the luna pixel server statuses?

weak abyss
weak abyss
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One second

weak abyss
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Unless im just stupid lol

pearl condor
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imagine believing what google AI tells you

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yes you are

weak abyss
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Dang, here i thought I was doing 200iq equations.

pearl condor
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yeah, usually when you doing stuff with AI, your actual IQ gets divided by 2, then by 3

balmy halo
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Hi, everyone! Been playing Otherworld with my wife for a while. I play on my Steam Deck, and she hosts a world from a Windows PC. Recently my game started crashing a lot (like once per 15 min). Don't know what happened, but it it wasn't crashing before at all. Could someone please help me find out what's wrong pls?

safe meadowBOT
pearl condor
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damn

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steamdeck

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damn

balmy halo
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yep...

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but it was working flawlessly

pearl condor
pearl condor
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there may be nothing to revert to

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they didn't mention update or anything

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@balmy halo did you modify modpack

balmy halo
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it crashes mostly when I tp to waypoints

balmy halo
pearl condor
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and does it crash without said mod

fallen escarp
ember cobalt
balmy halo
fallen escarp
balmy halo
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yep

fallen escarp
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Shouldn’t be the tp issue

pearl condor
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tp issue never was regarding waystones

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it was just spells

fallen escarp
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Ik

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That’s why I asked abt other type of tp

balmy halo
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not the waystones but teleporting to waypoints on a world map

pearl condor
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oh

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so /tp command?

fallen escarp
pearl condor
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can you actually answer my question then @balmy halo

balmy halo
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when I tp to a distant location whether through a world map by right click tp or through /tp

pearl condor
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did you try without added mod

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a clean instance

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or not

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that was my question that you ignored

balmy halo
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i will

pearl condor
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you may not see it - but in server console it would be shown as /tp

balmy halo
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thanks for your time guys! I'll try to factory reset my deck (maybe too much optimization utilities also messed up my experience), then will try to launch without voice chat

rose portal
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any of yall know if there is a way to shrink your size withotu changing races? Im using the wither skeleton and I am too big to consistantly enter my pocket dimension without immediately teleporting out

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also preferably without cheats

pearl condor
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and tp using it

quaint tulip
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Whats the food/mod called, that gives one different boost by consuming it?

pearl condor
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what

pearl condor
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cuz like

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idk

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it's hard to understand your question

quaint tulip
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found one of the possible food that i wanted to know

pearl condor
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uhhh

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isn't this just default aquimarae?

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aquamirae

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fucking

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hell of a name

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I always misspell it

quaint tulip
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Farmer's Delight got at least one too

pearl condor
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well

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hm

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maybe this one is also from farmers delight, default

unborn ore
quaint tulip
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Looks like Aquamirae is the only mod that got foods for buffs. Others are just for animals and citizens pepe_sad

pearl condor
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and not some special mod adding it

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(the efffects are from base aquimarae, and ig "When consumed" is just effects translated into actual numbers, yk?)

quaint tulip
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I dont know the difference between vanilla and modded. Dont want to be explained, i only need to know: vanilla MC and mod Moyai_gaming
And also, you misspelled it. AGAIN πŸ™‚

pearl condor
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I will say it to you now

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and remember these words

pearl condor
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I will just answer your questions "It is modded"

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will that suit you?

inner meteor
pearl condor
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or do you actually want to be explained, because you seem to ask questions

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if you don't want to be explained - what is the purpose?

quaint tulip
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a mod thats modded? πŸ˜„

pearl condor
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what

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no

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i only need to know: vanilla MC and mod

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if that's all u need to know

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I will just say

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"It's modded"

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L bozo

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like wtf u expect me to do

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I did give you answer, you then hit me with "Don't want to be explained, I only need to know vanilla mc and mod"

quaint tulip
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Yes you did, but you also threw some terms like vanilla mod or base in it, that looks like a mod got more terms to deal with than just being a "mod". You understand?

pearl condor
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no

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because your english isn't that good

pearl condor
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I guess mine isn't great too

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but Shrug

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oh

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I may understand it

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"vanilla" generally means unchanged

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base

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"Vanilla mc"

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"Vanilla modpack"

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"Vanilla thaumcraft"

quaint tulip
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Now we are talking

pearl condor
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it is in general minecraft communities means "unchanged"

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and now then those pictures you sent - they are most likely not an additions to modpack list

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they are just how mods come by default - how they are shipped

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although aquimarae mod may get bonus added from additional atributes mod or such

quaint tulip
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thats something i didnt know. I only knew "vanilla MC" so far and if someone tell me "vanilla Aquamirae" i was like "huh? whats that term?" πŸ₯²

I get it now.

quaint tulip
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Yes you are chin... πŸ˜„

pearl condor
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chi(lli)n

gloomy owl
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wait so hearts of iron drop from magnetic cave mobs?

pearl condor
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yes

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it is pretty easy to find that info when you google

pearl condor
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!google

dense oysterBOT
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The answer you're looking can be found very easily with a quick google search, and is quicker than having someone here explain the same thing to you.

pearl condor
inner meteor
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W-WHAT

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How tf did I know not about this until now

tall scroll
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we may need to add that image, and also add to ignore the ai crap

pearl condor
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I have this in my private server as sticker

pearl condor
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he may remember how to edit them with embeds

tall scroll
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Thought it was chloe or ozzi that did that?

winged hemlock
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if you were a druid and you could transform into any animal in otherworld what would you choose

pearl condor
winged hemlock
pearl condor
random horizon
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i just found a cool village i wanna live at its got like 2 other type of village's like right next to it and the flying one but there is a raid going on and ive killed all of the pillagers multipul times now even used /kill @e[type=pillager] and no matter what the raid just starts back up and they spawn in all over the plce again how do i fix this???

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i just disabled raids

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and they are still spawning they wont stop

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i /kill them all and like 30 spawn in all over the place instantly

tall scroll
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have you tried the bell trick to see if it highlights a missing one?

random horizon
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NVM THEY FINALLY STOPPEDDDD

random horizon
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for some reason they just stopped tho

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yay

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NVM THEIR BACK

quaint tulip
pearl condor
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yeah sure

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I don't like that website tho

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too much effort

quaint tulip
flint wasp
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Theres one structure in particular that spawns them like 10 chunks out

random horizon
pearl condor
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that could be it

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TL:DR

flint wasp
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And sometimes those spawns get crazy

pearl condor
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anything that you find with pillager type of mobs

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they spawn weirdly, different

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they spawn EVERYWHERE arround structure

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and only way to get rid of em is torch it all

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literally, place torches EVERYWHERE

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that is the only solulu

random horizon
flint wasp
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ya

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thats it

random horizon
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is that what it looks like

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dam

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so if i burn it down fully will they stop??

pearl condor
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no

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torch it down as in

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PLACE TORCHES EVERYWHERE

flint wasp
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There is an item that stops spawns within 65 blocks but

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ive never seen it

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I cant remember who drops it

pearl condor
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I doubt if it will work

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  • it's endgame
flint wasp
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ah

pearl condor
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staff of suppression

random horizon
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im willing to cheat lol

flint wasp
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Does claiming chunks stop spawns?

pearl condor
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nope

random horizon
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im spamming the staffs thing

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this place is too cool to giveup on

pearl condor
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also

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the flying thing, dw bout it

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there's villagers up there

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they friendly

random horizon
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ya i saw that thats why i love this place

pearl condor
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lil hobbit town

random horizon
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and below them is a village from that one mod that lets you build your own

pearl condor
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minecolonies

random horizon
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ya one of those

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its just so cool

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after spamming a couple hundred staffs they are no longer spawning

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it is a great success

winged hemlock
pearl condor
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;3

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easter is comming after all

winged hemlock
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oh banger

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on april fools all wildshapes will be chungus

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surely this will have no unintended side effects

winged hemlock
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four whole days of chungus

fallen escarp
pearl condor
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although

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that means we are getting update in a week time

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;3

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ok week +1 day

winged hemlock
pearl condor
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Muon, druids needs dolphin shapeshift

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πŸ™

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for the lovers of WoW

fallen escarp
fallen escarp
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Is funnier for April fools

pearl condor
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in otherworld

flint wasp
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ya

pearl condor
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o ye

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alex mobs

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eh

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nah

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chugus is better

fallen escarp
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The amongus one

pearl condor
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also

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Chungus is uhh

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related to christmas

fallen escarp
pearl condor
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yk?

pearl condor
fallen escarp
pearl condor
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ficl

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fuck

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my brain is not braining

fallen escarp
pearl condor
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and well Muon meant april fools to easter

fallen escarp
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Icy thorn 7 on all of your armor will make anyone who attack you have -120% speed for 60+ seconds lmao

pearl condor
pearl condor
fallen escarp
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Doable normally lol

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This is uhhh

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Let’s just say end end game

pearl condor
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exploits? in this day and age?

fallen escarp
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Uhhh not really exploit?

pearl condor
fallen escarp
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It does involve the transmutation table

pearl condor
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I think table should be fully removed

fallen escarp
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But uhh I spent

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~15 hours on the setup at the end game

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To have that

pearl condor
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well hey

fallen escarp
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Specifically all the time went into making it

pearl condor
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it heavily includes create enchanting industries

fallen escarp
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Errrr

pearl condor
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to have such overleveled enchants

fallen escarp
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No actually

pearl condor
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so

fallen escarp
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It was the backpack

pearl condor
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how do you get overleveled ones

fallen escarp
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The over lvling is with cei

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The transmuting hyper exp is with backpack

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Without double hyper it’s still

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-90% speed for like 3 minutes with icy thorn 5 on everything

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So like

gloomy owl
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is there a way to put the modifiers of an item on another one? the apotheosis ones

fallen escarp
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Also I’m gonna have to remind you

pearl condor
fallen escarp
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I’m specifically working on these stuff for the entire pack

winged hemlock
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built in ability

fallen escarp
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So it’s just me

winged hemlock
#

maybe wildheart barbarians too nvm

fallen escarp
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Oh ye funny bug @winged hemlock

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You can dupe exp in the midgame

winged hemlock
#

is it by having a bunch of innate stats from origin and spamming respec

fallen escarp
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Nah

winged hemlock
#

oh ok well that probably works too

fallen escarp
#

Cei blaze enchanter doing enchanting on a stack of apo’s tome take as much exp as enchanting 1 single tome

winged hemlock
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ah yeah that's a hell of a bug

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will patch

fallen escarp
#

So if you enchant a stack of tome of weaponry with everything possible then you can disenchant them all and you’ll get a lot of exp

fallen escarp
winged hemlock
#

ok bet

fallen escarp
#

Villager in this pack are miserable

flint wasp
#

o.O

fallen escarp
#

And apo take forever to deal with to make a reliable setup

pearl condor
#

does it?

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I never had issues with it

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only real issue would be xp

fallen escarp
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Compared to cei

pearl condor
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gems? easy
rarity mats? easy

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books? easy

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tho ig books are made easy thanks to the lich

fallen escarp
pearl condor
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yeah

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but like

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for apoth itself, it is fine with xp ig

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for overenchanting to ducking ungodly levels ig it is issue

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but most ppl don't go there

#

I wonder if overenchanting can be limited to +1 to max

fallen escarp
#

Probably but that’s not gonna be much different with the

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Gem

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Was it endersurge?

pearl condor
#

+1

fallen escarp
#

But it’s also endgame territory anyway

fallen escarp
#

Ender dragon egg

#

We play on a server so that’s out of the question

pearl condor
#

well

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all I can say

#

it is server specific issue

#

and well

#

you still get 1 egg per server

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so just be faster and grab it first

fallen escarp
#

Honestly should change that to be like an ice and fire dragon egg or something

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Or a t5 skull idk

pearl condor
#

why

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ig, you can just ask server to make a shop

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or smth

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and do it the way you want

#

would be simplier ?

fallen escarp
# pearl condor why

It’s gonna take forever and I’m too lazy to ask them for that when changing world border take them 3 days

pearl condor
#

you can get both dragon eggs and t5 skull @ ch1 end

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so yk

fallen escarp
#

Ignoring spawn condition

pearl condor
#

do you really need to ignore spawn condition?

fallen escarp
#

For glowsquid ye

pearl condor
#

okay

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no clue why you go for glowsquid

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but ok

fallen escarp
#

Hyper exp

pearl condor
#

right

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I don't do create

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so no clue

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but then again

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as I said

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if it were max +1 lvl to hyper enchanting

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then hyper xp wouldn't be that needed anymore

fallen escarp
#

Ehh ig?

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I’m just curious on +2 for alex cave stuff

pearl condor
#

which stuff

fallen escarp
#

They have like

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50+

pearl condor
#

ah

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well

#

you prob speak of unique enchants

fallen escarp
#

Was messing with magic conch

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But that’s bugged

#

Could’ve gotten a god tier summoning item

gleaming dock
#

?help

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!help

merry shardBOT
#

🚫 glu99, that command is disabled in this channel.

pearl condor
gleaming dock
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ok nvm now I have a new issue

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im playing with my friend

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and he shared world

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but when I join im with him for a sec

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then I just disconnect

broken hornet
#

Yeah, i had the same problem

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Im just using essential, its way better, and i havent had a single issue with it

dense oysterBOT
#

⚠️ Essential Mod Not Supported

We strongly recommend against using Essential with our modpacks, and we add a warning screen during modpack startup containing the following message by default. A free world-sharing alternative is already built-in called Luna - click Share World in the game menu to use it.

Why we don't support Essential:

  • Technical issues: We've received multiple user reports of problems when combining Essential with our modpacks, including reports of world corruption. While there is no conclusive evidence of Essential as the definite cause, we do not have the development or support capacity to resolve issues potentially caused by it.

  • Security concerns: Essential's auto-updater introduces potential security risks that are outside of our control.

  • Ethics: We object to Essential's inclusion of in-game currency and microtransactions in an otherwise free modding environment.

If you choose to use Essential anyway

Please understand that you do so at your own risk and will not be eligible for support from our team. To remove this warning, you can open your modpack instance folder, navigate to config/crash_assistant/problematic_mods_config.json, and under essential-container, change should_crash_on_startup from true to false.

pearl condor
#

Well ig don't ask for any support here

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Cuz u ain't getting any

pearl condor
#

!wsfull could be the case

dense oysterBOT
#

Moon World Sharing servers are likely currently at capacity

If you or your friend are receiving an error such as "An error occurred in Luna", or "Connection refused: no further information" when trying to play through "Open to LAN" or "Share World", it's likely that Luna's servers (used for world sharing) are currently full. We don't have a way to know when slots on our servers free up, but you are welcome to try again later.

We understand and recognize that this may be inconvenient, so we recommend in this case to host or rent your own server. Self-hosting is free, for more information on supported hosting options, type !server in #bots.

If you'd prefer an alternate world sharing mod such as Essential over the previous methods, risks of it are outlined in !ea, as well as how to use it if you accept the risks and void of support.

This command does NOT change or know if they are full or not, this is something ran as the most common issue.

pearl condor
#

We heavily recomend self hosting instead

#

Its superior to all these hosting mods

gleaming dock
#

arrrhhh alr

pearl condor
#

And free

#

!server explains how to self host

dense oysterBOT
#

Free Method

To host a server on your own computer, read the selfhosting guide.
This guide goes over how to install, create, and launch a free Minecraft server on all operating systems (MacOS, Linux and Windows). The guide also guides you through installing Java and optimizing your server for better performance.

If you are installing one of our older modpacks, ignore the "README" file that is included in the serverpack files, as they have outdated information.

Paid Method

We suggest renting a server from Bisect Hosting:
Approx. $10 - $25 a month depending on what plan you choose. You can also get 25% off with Code LunaPixel.

Go here and order a plan which fits you. We suggest 1GB per player but nothing lower than 4GB as the server needs at least 3GB to run.

Go to #server-hosting for more Info!

The following advice works for both the Free and Paid methods:

Transferring Your World

If you're playing Singleplayer and want to transfer your world to your server, simply go to your modpack files and navigate to the saves folder. Inside of this folder, you will see your world saves. Rename your desired world save to world. You can then transfer this folder to your server files. If your world was hosted via world sharing, this process has to be done by the person who would click "Share World".

Fixing Lag

To resolve lag issues, simply run the !tps command in #bots and follow the directions provided.

hazy moth
#

Frustratingly, my modpack is just crashing when it worked fine earlier this week. No crash reports, just an error code 1. I've redownloaded, checked the latest logs, debug logs... nothin really helpful. Unmodified modpack too.

hazy moth
safe meadowBOT
winged hemlock
#

looks like something in one of those files is corrupted

hazy moth
#

nope, I've done genuinely nothin to it. No changes at all. I'll try another reinstall.

winged hemlock
#

could probably just delete the etf config and let it regenerate

winter raptor
#

Does leveling a skill past 20 does something?

flint wasp
#

nay

winter raptor
#

Thanks

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Respec time lol

hazy moth
#

Otherworld - v5 crashed without a crash report. The logs have been uploaded to mclo.gs:

  1. 1.20.1 [FORGE]
  2. What launcher did you run Minecraft with? (e.g. CurseForge, ATLauncher, MultiMC, ...)
  3. Have you changed the modpack in any way except mods?
  4. v5
  5. Have you ever gotten past the crash condition without crashing, or does the game always crash?
  6. What steps cause the crash?

latest.log | debug.log | crash_assistant_app.log | modlist.txt | CurseForge: skip launcher

Mod list changes on top of the modpack:

Updated mods:
otherworld-1.20.1-dev.jar > otherworld-1.20.1-0.6.0+1.20.1.jar
otherworldapoth-dev.jar > otherworldapoth-0.6.0.jar
otherworldorigins-dev.jar > otherworldorigins-1.5.0.jar

Oddly, this was from a fresh reinstall [Done today when I thought it was just the modpack being broken.]

tall scroll
dense oysterBOT
#

If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL. Keep in mind that ATL is NOT related to TLauncher in any way, and is not a cracked launcher.

To install ATL, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download. If you are on MacOS, then choose the "Jar" version under the "Other" tab, this is important as OSX WILL crash the game on Mac.
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATL doesn't see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "Install". Then, follow the on-screen directions.
7. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
This video explains the process: https://youtu.be/xMYW1wMbmkM

To transfer your Curseforge world to ATL, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATL and paste the Saves folder there. Do the same with the XaerosMinimap folder, or the Journeymap folder, to transfer over any waypoints you've created.
Because ATL downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATL also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATL installed.

hazy moth
#

Hm. Odd for sure. I'll give it a try on ATLauncher, was actually downloading it on there as we speak.

tall scroll
#

It's something we deal with all the time sadly

hazy moth
#

Well, I appreciate the response. I'll make sure to mention that it worked for me if it does.

slate void
#

I honestly hate that I can't use mending. I am playing a moon druid. She can't use the healing spells. So life mending isn't the best idea for her. I'm using the geomancer armor..and I have been using bluff rods and and anvil to repair..but now my armor costs 128xp to repair! Which honestly just takes away from my questing/exploring time cuz it takes forever to get levels high enough to repair. And according to the JEI, I can't just make a new set of armor. I would have to go search for more of the geomancer structure, loot it and kill the boss....each time I need new armor.

I run my own private small server for friends and I. Is there a way for me to disable not being able to use mending? There is only a few of us and none of us wanted to be an artificer. So it's not like we would be taking away a cool ability for someone playing one.

hazy moth
#

There's a rarity attribute that adds in the ability to use all enchants on something, so that should work for it.

flint wasp
#

epic affix from apoth

woeful hill
#

oooo

#

thx ur the goat

slate void
#

is that an item? or a feat?

flint wasp
flint wasp
#

The Yellow text

slate void
flint wasp
#

For now it would but correct

woeful hill
flint wasp
#

Theres a sound spell called Celestial Chant which gives regeneration which should repair gear with life mending

slate void
#

I'm not sure? I have never found anything sound magic.

flint wasp
#

If you look it up in jei itll tell you if you can use it

#

Also I believe the first-aid bandages work with life mending

#

Most vanilla regeneration potions should work also

slate void
flint wasp
#

You can make it and put it in a spell book o:

#

If youre in the Aether part of the quests you can also get a "Regeneration Stone" from a dungeon that would work

slate void
#

nope, just barely started. lvl 6, need to find ice maze

flint wasp
#

I just checked in a creative world. If you want to use the best spell for life mending Healing Circle. Moon druids can use it

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Its pretty simple to make

gloomy owl
#

i need help fast why does dark doppelganger not take damage

flint wasp
flint wasp
slate void
#

I have a spell forge πŸ™‚ I played a diff modpack that had the same mod in it and loved it. So I was pretty quick to make the spell stuff again for this modpack lol

alpine parcel
#

Does anyone know if adding Epic Knights to this pack would cause issues? Im missing the availability of different weapon types for role play purposes

flint wasp
#

Noice

#

One way to find out!

#

:p

alpine parcel
#

Fair point heh

flint wasp
#

Might try in the modded discussion channel tho

gloomy owl
slate void
#

I haven't messed with making spells yet, been pretty blessed to find some fun geomancy ones.

flint wasp
#

Healing circle spell is cheap starting out

#

Gold and Amethyst with whatever ink you got the highest of and youll beable to have it

gloomy owl
#

wtf he has oakskin 9

quaint tulip
gloomy owl
#

has anyone ever gotten this issue???

fossil stone
#

Otherworld - v5 crashed. The logs have been uploaded to mclo.gs:

  1. 1.20.1 [FORGE]
  2. What launcher did you run Minecraft with? (e.g. CurseForge, ATLauncher, MultiMC, ...)
  3. Have you changed the modpack in any way except mods?
  4. v5
  5. Have you ever gotten past the crash condition without crashing, or does the game always crash?
  6. What steps cause the crash?

latest.log head / tail (~342MB & ~3281k lines) | crash-2026-03-22_21.07.23-client.txt | crash_assistant_app.log | modlist.txt | CurseForge: skip launcher | i7-13700 might be the reason for the crash

Mod list changes on top of the modpack:

Added mods:
Aquaculture-1.20.1-2.5.7.jar

Updated mods:
otherworld-1.20.1-dev.jar > otherworld-1.20.1-0.6.0+1.20.1.jar
otherworldapoth-dev.jar > otherworldapoth-0.6.0.jar
otherworldorigins-dev.jar > otherworldorigins-1.5.0.jar
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gg

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i like tried to open something and it crashed

flint wasp
#

Man fighting tier 5 dragons underground is buggy as hell

gritty sun
#

Anybody know of a good mob farm build for this pack? Normal one doesnt seem to work very well.

slate void
#

So I have an enchantment on my sword that rarely allows a mob egg to drop. If I click that egg onto a spawner, will it change the spawner to what the egg was?

noble lintel
#

Yes

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That is a vanilla feature btw

slate void
#

oh i never knew, i don't usually get eggs in vanilla minecraft cuz i play survival no cheats xD

noble lintel
#

The other bit is that if it had apotheosis modifiers, it retains them after the switch

noble lintel
slate void
#

ty for the info

noble lintel
#

^Apotheosis allows you to modify vanilla spawners. The Create cart assembler lets you move them.

fallen escarp
#

and push the contraption onto a linked warpplate can help with transfering long distance inthe same dimension

broken wind
#

is there a way to turn off the chunky leaves?

finite birch
#

Random crashes on Otherworld Server. Logs attached. Thank you!

  1. What Minecraft version are you using? (1.19.2, 1.20.1, ...)
    1.20.1 [FORGE]

  2. What launcher did you run Minecraft with? (e.g. CurseForge, ATLauncher, MultiMC, ...)
    CurseForge

  3. Have you changed the modpack in any way? (e.g. changing mod versions, adding/removing mods)
    Added FTB Ultimine, Cluttered, and Lootr

  4. What version of the modpack are you using? (v11, v9, etc)
    v5

  5. Have you ever gotten past the crash condition without crashing, or does the game always crash?
    Have to restart server and it's fine for a while until the next random crash.

  6. What steps cause the crash?
    **No specific steps, crashes are random. **

safe meadowBOT
safe meadowBOT
safe meadowBOT
flint wasp
#

The amount of elder temple dungeon spawns in the oceans is a bit much

#

Ocean Monument*

minor flint
#

what is the obsidian mirror used for? i did not understand it to be honest

dim helm
#

how to get spelunkery table

tall scroll
dim helm
flint wasp
#

Gotta find it in a little dungeon underground

tall scroll
#

ah rip

flint wasp
#

Theyre pretty common

#

Can find em in the ocean also

dim helm
#

hmm

flint wasp
#

Small wooden structures

dim helm
#

what the structure look like in map

minor flint
#

how to go to the nexus or what kind of structure is it?

flint wasp
dim helm
#

ok

flint wasp
#

Cant realllllly see it on the map

flint wasp
#

Thats a different one but has the table

dim helm
#

alr

dim helm
#

bruh this table

#

need guess

#

and it broke 2 cave tablet

fallen escarp
fallen escarp
#

It’s just the standard galactic alphabet

#

Search it up and just look

dim helm
#

I gave up lol, I just wanna make The Diamantic Archive πŸ₯€

minor flint
#

sorry, is there a way to find the ender guardian? through compass or something

#

i flew thousands of blocks and in multiple directions xD still nothing

tepid spindle
#

I read something about moving spawners with create messes with apotheosis but i cant find it anymore.
Does anyone know?

pearl condor
#

oh awit

#

uh

#

fuck

#

"moving spawners messes with apotheosis" nah

tepid spindle
#

πŸ˜…

pearl condor
#

never heard that

#

all info is in pins

#

the only uhh

#

"messes up" is uhh

#

mowzie's mobs

#

buffs! yes

#

buffs messes with spawners

golden plinth
#

can you get life mending from enchanting

pearl condor
#

and moving iron's spawners too

pearl condor
pearl condor
tepid spindle
#

Thanks for the quick help

pearl condor
#

bro

#

I was bout to respond

#

this explains it and it has guide @ bottom

dim helm
#

is ok I just got it

#

finnaly

dim helm
#

what is heart of iron

pearl condor
dense oysterBOT
#

The answer you're looking can be found very easily with a quick google search, and is quicker than having someone here explain the same thing to you.

pearl condor
dim helm
#

tq

minor flint
#

is it possible to reset the night warden?

pearl condor
#

reset, how

#

you can re-fight it, as you get exurcis whatever it's called after you kill it

#

and you get more if you fight him in higher difficulty

minor flint
#

its just, he is already dead by someone else

pearl condor
#

okay

#

then wait

minor flint
#

and the eye brought me to the same place. but I cant find a way to refight him

pearl condor
#

he will respawn

#

and u use exurcis or whatever on him

#

is he there or not

#

if he is - you use exurcis

#

if not - wait

#

excursis*

lost schooner
#

What does the reforging mean?

pearl condor
#

apothosis adventure module mechanic

lost schooner
#

Ok, i thought it's it the apothosis, thanks

#

So if i undeastood correctly, that is the same thing as lvling building to max lvl to get access to reforging

minor flint
pearl condor
#

everyone has acess to simple reforging table (normal to rare reforges)
underdark subraces gets acess from the start to use reforging table (normal to mythic reforges) - other races needs lvl 20 build to use it

#

and then underdark subraces gets acess to ancient reforging talbe (normal to ancient reforges) + augmenting at lvl 20 build

pearl condor
minor flint
pearl condor
#

hm

#

weird corals

#

looks bit different then I remember

#

oh well

#

could be server side issue

#

could be modified issue

pearl condor
#

iif you can't find him laying in there

#

idk

#

never happened to me/never heard of it to be fair

#

soo, find new cathedral of void or whatever structure name is

golden plinth
#

Is there any ways to get an elytra before the end

pearl condor
#

no

lost schooner
#

i think there is a holy spell that can give you temporary elytra for like 15 sec

pearl condor
#

yes

#

but they prob don't want that

#

the spell is angel wings

dim helm
#

why maledictus music disc sound so weird

tepid spindle
#

Is there a way to see loot tables?

#

For enderman for example

flint wasp
tepid spindle
#

Thank you

rich swallow
#

how to find this mob

#

it a mage right but i dunno where it is

pearl condor
#

well

#

you are looking for two mages

#
#
#

this is the midle one

rich swallow
#

thx dude taht help a lot

pearl condor
pearl condor
rich swallow
#

oh mb

tepid spindle
#

That moment when you log on minecraft and one of your friends build a giant house that is predominantly pink...

tepid spindle
pearl condor
#

perfect

errant bear
#

when v6 ?

pearl condor
dense oysterBOT
#

Don't ask devs for ETA's, it's rude.

For the majority of devs this is a hobby, asking when a project they're working on will release adds unnecessary pressure. The only thing that increased pressure does is contribute towards demotivation and burnout, causing the project to take longer.

pearl condor
#

when ready

dim helm
#

absolutely cinema

#

this boss too awesome

last abyss
#

Question is there a config to disable the underdark race requirements for the augmenting table?

dim helm
#

finished

idle geyser
#

What is a droblin used for?

kindred snow
#

anyone else having or had issues finding amphithere cuz i cant seem to find any whenever i find a jungle

flint wasp
#

It shoots the player with regen 2 or 3

#

But it does take damage and drops as an item you have to pick up again which can be annoying

fallen escarp
#

Mass production of regen pot and use backpack ngl

golden plinth
#

is there any way to reliably get life mending

pearl condor
#

enchanting

#

you don't need that many books either way

#

just enchant books @ hight enough level, filtered

#

and put em into library

idle geyser
#

isnt there a way to free cam with minecolony previews?

pearl condor
#

first time hearing of that

inner meteor
fallen escarp
#

Printer to print books, blaze enchanter to straight enchant

inner meteor
#

Tbh if I can find some time for it I might see about adding Aether altar compat for modded items

fallen escarp
#

You can’t put affixs on dreadbow but you can put affix on spear of extinction? What the hell is this bs

slate void
#

Is there a way to remove enchants on my current armor so I can put it on new armor before it breaks, since no mending (other than life mending)

quick tiger
#

Question, I dont remember the name but there's a bracelet/talent in the deep dark that let's you cast reversal with out a melee weapon or just on its own. What keybind would that use or, how would you activate it?

thorny orchid
#

Any way to make the eldritch pocket dimension bigger ?

pearl condor
pearl condor
#

You just need to have that bracelet ring whatever equipped

quick tiger
slate void
keen blade
#

hey, idk how exactly when this start to happen but...I can't log into my friend's server anymore! We've been playing for days and it only started happening today!

Otherworld - v5 crashed. The logs have been uploaded to mclo.gs:

  1. 1.20.1 [FORGE]
  2. What launcher did you run Minecraft with? (e.g. CurseForge, ATLauncher, MultiMC, ...)
  3. Have you changed the modpack in any way except mods?
  4. v5
  5. Have you ever gotten past the crash condition without crashing, or does the game always crash?
  6. What steps cause the crash?

latest.log | crash-2026-03-23_13.51.21-client.txt | crash_assistant_app.log | modlist.txt | CurseForge: skip launcher

Mod list changes on top of the modpack:

Updated mods:
otherworld-1.20.1-dev.jar > otherworld-1.20.1-0.6.0+1.20.1.jar
otherworldapoth-dev.jar > otherworldapoth-0.6.0.jar
otherworldorigins-dev.jar > otherworldorigins-1.5.0.jar
dense oysterBOT
#

If this command was run in response to your question/issue, it is likely because switching away from the launcher you are currently using would fix your problem.
From our experience, the most stable launcher by far is ATLauncher, also known as ATL. Keep in mind that ATL is NOT related to TLauncher in any way, and is not a cracked launcher.

To install ATL, do the following:
1. Go to https://atlauncher.com/download. If you are on MacOS, then choose the "Jar" version under the "Other" tab, this is important as OSX WILL crash the game on Mac.
2. Install and run the setup, then open the program.
3. Login to your Microsoft account that owns the Java Edition of Minecraft from the Accounts tab on the right. This process is 100% safe, as it goes directly through Microsoft. ATL doesn't see your account credentials.
4. Go to the Packs tab on the right, then click "Curseforge" on the left.
5. Search the modpack you wish to download.
6. Click "Install". Then, follow the on-screen directions.
7. Go to the Instances tab, and click "Play" on the modpack you downloaded. If you ever see an "Update" button on the instance, click it.
This video explains the process: https://youtu.be/xMYW1wMbmkM

To transfer your Curseforge world to ATL, simply right click the modpack on Curseforge, or click the 3 dots, then click "Open Folder". Copy the Saves folder, then click "Open Folder" on ATL and paste the Saves folder there. Do the same with the XaerosMinimap folder, or the Journeymap folder, to transfer over any waypoints you've created.
Because ATL downloads the exact same files as Curseforge does, your world will be the exact same and you will be able to join the same servers. ATL also works without an internet connection (after you've installed the modpack, of course), and does not have any bloat from Overwolf. You are free to uninstall both Overwolf and Curseforge with ATL installed.

barren violet
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Question here, is the Spectral Steed bugged or im just dumb. Legendary scroll btw.

pearl condor
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Bugged

barren violet
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ty

quaint tulip
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Just a small question about upcoming V6... Will there a way to obtain orb of origin? The one from journey questbook (introduction) alone wont be enough. Maybe add it to the endgame crafting with not to easy to obtain materials?

finite birch
pearl condor
pearl condor
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Modifying pack in general is not advised as it can cause plethora of issues

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And we don't promise pack will work with modifications

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Sorry to say this but I've seen quite a few of crashes when people have lootr installed

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Secondly

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It couls be just curse fucking things up

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And if you using default ram, that is 4 gb, it is really, bad

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You should / would want to be using atlauncher / Prism

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And allocate ram fallowing fps guide

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!fps

pearl condor
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Also regarding point 5

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If its server crashing, do you restart server frequently or just keep it running for 3 days non stop

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It's real thing I saw someone mention in other modpack. Servers should receive scheduled restarts, make it at least every 12h

finite birch
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@pearl condor thanks for the reply Bela!

Yeah I figured adding mods that my users request might mess with the mod pack compatibility, might need to tell them I might try reverting it to see if it helps.

I'll bring the launcher advice back to the players, never thought of telling them to use a different launcher.

Yes, I'm using the default RAM value set for the server in user_jvm_args.txt, but I'll edit it to 8GB because I have like 6 people playing at once.

For point 5, I'll set up a cronjob to restart the server at 4am daily, hopefully that helps.

Appreciate all the tips! Thank you :)

pearl condor
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Recommendations from this server goes 3-4 gb for server itself and then +1gb per player

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!tps

dense oysterBOT
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Please follow the guide here for changing the Java version your server uses. This will improve performance dramatically. If you are on a third party server host, you likely can not change the Java version your server uses. Bisect Hosting and a few VPS providers do allow changing Java version, though, which can usually be done through your server dashboard.

The method on Bisect is to simply go to the main dashboard page, and select "GraalVM 22" as the Java distribution. If it crashes, use 21 instead.

For further performance improvements, you can also follow this guide. This guide's section regarding GraalVM is completely wrong from our own testing, and we recommend ignoring it.

Reducing server render distance in the server.properties file is also a very good way of reducing lag. Most of our modpacks include mods like Bobby and Farsight, which make it so reducing server render distance will not affect players.

If lag persists, run the following command ingame:
/spark profiler start --only-ticks-over 50
Then, send the link in this channel.

pearl condor
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You can check this guide and use newer java for server

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It helps with server performance

finite birch
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Oh ok gotcha, good to know. 10 it is, and I'll check out that java guide too. I was using Eclipse Adoptium Java 21, but I'll look at the newer one 🫑

golden plinth
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how much better is life mending 2 than 1

quaint tulip
pearl condor
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I think it looked like it is repairing 1/3/10 durability per tick for me

golden plinth
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theres a life mending 3?

pearl condor
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Yes

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Technically 4 and and higher too

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I think there's a gem from apoth that adds bonus lvls to life mending

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And there is gem that adds levels to all enchants

thorny orchid
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is there a spell that boosts an elytra/angel wings

pearl condor
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Elytra? No

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Angel wings? Any basic spell power will boost it

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Uhh i

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Iirc it's holy spell

thorny orchid
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I mean boost as in rocket

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like the flying boost

pearl condor
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Yes I think but I forgor the name. You could use discord search function to find answer

thorny orchid
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thank you!

pearl condor
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Flare someting? Fire?

thorny orchid
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ill check tysm!

pearl condor
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There was one at least

fallen escarp
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why is guardian gem backward on chipped and flaw?

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wait wtf??

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oh my god bruv, the chest memory setting messed with me istg

pearl condor
fallen escarp
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also just realized, all 3 endersurge share the exact same boost

pearl condor
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Yes

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That's what we call balancing act

fallen escarp
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balancing act would just be removing flawless and perfect

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making them all the same is weird

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why have them in the first place

sleek citrus
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have traduction pt Br?

pearl condor
pearl condor
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Collecting more stuff

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Why have tnt in world if you never will use it

sleek citrus
pearl condor
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Ask

sleek citrus
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modpack have only russian and english?

pearl condor
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Only English

sleek citrus
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πŸ˜”

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ok

leaden surge
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Does critical damage attributes from Luck also affect bow crit damage?

pearl condor
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there is crit dmg atributes from luck?

leaden surge
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yes there is, the first one IIRC

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the second one is better luck at chests

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third one is critical damage multiplier??

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cant rly rmbr

pearl condor
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since when

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I know luck increases chest loot rarity and fishing

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but that it would increase crit chance and dmg, first time hearing

leaden surge
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i dunnooo, its already there since i started playing, which doesnt say much because its only my third day yet

pearl condor
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yeah but like