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[icy scaffold]

https://x.com/0xkolten/status/2045597875896189211?s=46

Kolten (@0xKolten)

Aave is not exploited. We're investigating rsETH situation now, and it has been frozen on V3 and V4.

X · Apr 18, 2026, 8:18 PM

[somber grail]

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/2045653855623684421

unusual_whales (@unusual_whales)

Trump: We have consultants… Sir, if you do this, fuel is going to go to $300 a barrel. The depression is going to happen. That can't happen because we just hit a brand-new all-time high.

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X · Apr 19, 2026, 12:01 AM

[cursive crypt]

Listen to his last line I love it.

[cedar hound]

Bro would snort a line off his varicose veined foot

[void quarry]

I’m voting for dems this midterm to punish the gop, inhibit trump, and most importantly prevent Vance from winning in 28.

Then I’m voting for the best America first republican option for pres, or if there’s none I’ll withhold again, or vote dem.

I’m playing both sides from now on.

[tidal storm]

Hawaii has voted Democrat since Reagan, it’s like trying to murder someone with a blade of grass

Oh midterm

Idk how to read

[void quarry]

Doesn’t really matter. I’m taking my own side from now on rather than picking right or left. If enough people do the same we’ll get better option to choose from. We need to get dems in the house and senate to show the gop that we don’t accept Vance as the next “no new wars” president.

[tidal storm]

Vance is cooked bro don’t need to win midterms for that

Your choice is whether you want your kids to die for Israel or be lady boys

[void quarry]

All the powerful people of the world play both sides of the election.

[rotund hare]

This is 99% of Lysimachs posts. And 100% of the time he doesn't read the article.

[zinc lichen]

now in video lol

[rotund hare]

Just stop posting shit. Especially if your excuse is constantly "I didn't read anything."

[tidal storm]

In most ways more or less which makes your vote matter even less in reality

[tidal storm]

😂

[rotund hare]

Lol Bodhi pro Kamala now. Always knew you were a commie.

[void quarry]

People votes don’t matter only if most people believe they don’t matter and vote blindly. 2 sheep beat 1 intelligent voter. 2 intelligent voters beat 1 sheep.

[rotund hare]

Move to San Francisco you will fit right in.

[void quarry]

She would have been better option than trump that’s for sure

[void quarry]

They don’t let me 3d print guns there.

[tidal storm]

You just admitted yourself it’s a uniparty so it doesn’t matter

[void quarry]

I’m far right nationalist. But I’ll play both sides when it suits me.

[tidal storm]

Nothing about the left suits far right nationalism

[rotund hare]

You aren't far right or nationalist. You are batshit crazy is what you are.

[rotund hare]

He spends 99% of his time talking shit about the USA and supports Iran but claims he's nationalist and far right.

And says he would vote for Kamala Harris.

[void quarry]

The left disempowering trump/vance admin in the midterm provides space for a true America first president in 28

[tidal storm]

Yeah I know I just didn’t want to argue that lol

[void quarry]

If I could go back it time I would

[rotund hare]

Bro the only "true america first president" we've had since WW2 is trump.

[tidal storm]

Was*

[rotund hare]

Kamala fucking Harris. Lmao.

[tidal storm]

I still wouldn’t of gone back and voted Harris even knowing where we are now

Trump secured our border and robbed everyone but Harris would of let the flood continue and still robbed us too

[rotund hare]

Don't worry Bodhi is a war expert and knows everything about the war and how bad the USA is losing. His intelligence reports are better then the USA and Israel combined. Bodhi should run for president, he knows everything. And is smarter then everyone else.

[void quarry]

We got mass legal immigration. Tax breaks for corporations, war with Iran, trump even said at one point children sex changes with parental consent. What part of that is America first? Or conservative?

[tidal storm]

If Harris can get nominated I’m sure he’s got a good shot

[rotund hare]

Bodhi wants to turn the USA into a Mandani super market.

[void quarry]

I’m most likely voting rep in 28 unless it’s Vance.

[rotund hare]

You can pick whatever tag lines you want to support your agenda. It's meaningless.

[tidal storm]

I partially like that guy because I understand part of what he’s doing even though it’s a dumb way to do it but after 60 years Idk how else to fix the housing situation BUT that supermarket thing is a joke cost and time wise that’s why capitalism is superior still

[rotund hare]

Legal migration, tax breaks for corps, war with Iran. Can all be america first fyi.

[void quarry]

Those are his policies and statements. And they are a total betrayal to the right.

[tidal storm]

Yeah lol

[rotund hare]

Legal mirtation is actually very nationalist.

[void quarry]

The gop has to be punished

[rotund hare]

If any police are listening bodhi is printing 3d guns.

[void quarry]

Mass legal immigration is a betrayal when you promised mass deportations. We hardly deported anyone.

[tidal storm]

Our tax rates could be better but also our tax system could use a huge overhaul BUT gov spending is retarded and the fraud we allow too

[void quarry]

It’s legal 🙂

Murka

[void quarry]

Not when you ran on mass deportations, economic benefit to all , and no new wars.

[rotund hare]

Stop getting your news from Alex Jones.

[rotund hare]

Who is stopping all the mass deportations?

[void quarry]

I don’t listen to him. But I noticed trump denounced him.

[tidal storm]

He always said he supports legal migration

[void quarry]

Trump.

[rotund hare]

Bullshit dude.

[tidal storm]

Yeah doubt lol

[void quarry]

So we’re fighting terrorists halfway around the world but we can’t handle some leftists here?

[zinc lichen]

on Another note anyone tried Pragmata?

[rotund hare]

This is the problem with propanga. You can just make up batshit crazy shit and then tell the other party "I'm right unless you prove me wrong.".

[tidal storm]

We were shooting them in the streets come on

[rotund hare]

Insert 1000x logical fallacies

[void quarry]

Then he backed down. He’s too concerned with his image. We need someone wiling to do what it takes and follow through.

[rotund hare]

Yeah kamala Harris then right?

[tidal storm]

Hitler said the same thing

[void quarry]

I didn’t say that.

I said she’d have been a better option that trump.

[rotund hare]

He wants some magical leader to show up that is beholden to no one and immune to politics. He literally lives in a fantasy.

[tidal storm]

Beating people in the streets wasn’t helping anything and it was the local government that was making it hard to get people, police not cooperating etc

Fighting protesters and agitators is just retarded

[void quarry]

Neither trump or Kamala were going to do mass deportations. At least with Kamala we have more conservatives still upset about it rather than coping and pretending like we’re in a golden age when we’re not.

[rotund hare]

Comparing fighting terrorists to fighting Dems over deportations.... I can't really even find a suitable comparison on why that is the dumbest comparison I've seen.

[tidal storm]

We got like zero border crossings and we had a shit load of voluntary deportations last year all while half the country was fighting against ice

[rotund hare]

Btw bodhi's not in Hawaii anymore he's in Utah.

Searching for a new wife I think.

[tidal storm]

Mormans aren’t the answer

[rotund hare]

Where else is he going to find a subservient white woman he can brain wash?

[void quarry]

He did shut down the border I’ll give him that.

[tidal storm]

Lebanon

[void quarry]

That was one of the few things he did right

[rotund hare]

Israel would arrest him on the spot. You've seen his X account.

Doubt he can even leave the country.

[tidal storm]

There is a yellow line lol

[nimble spade]

For now

[void quarry]

Trump offered amnesty. If they left they could legally come right back in.

[rotund hare]

Alright I've gotta go. Just Say no to fakes news.

[vapid valley]

@void quarry why are you arguing with a guy whose profession is a "liar"?

[tidal storm]

When have I ever lied

[vapid valley]

I am not talking about you

[tidal storm]

https://tenor.com/view/poul3-f-r3veil-p-gif-10988460833755738340

[vapid valley]

And I didn't know your profession is a lawyer = liar?

[void quarry]

Within reason it helps. Bryan just goes straight to ad hominem so that mostly a waste of time. But convo with most other people challenges my positions and helps refine it over time.

[tidal storm]

I’m not a fan of Trump but my main point here is that Harris would of been a disaster too just a different flavour

[vapid valley]

I guess it was Bodhi who said maybe 2 years ago that it doesn't make a difference for crypto whoever is in the white house or something like that

And I was like thats bunch of nonsense

But it seems it was pretty good argument

[tidal storm]

Actually it made a huge difference because Trump is retarded and rugged us 5 times 😂

[vapid valley]

Although while I was against Kamala, I think she would have actually been better for us to have Kamala in the oval office

zero presidential scams

[tidal storm]

We would of had business as usual via NGOs and good ol fashion stock/option trading

[vapid valley]

But the hardcore right wing commie Trump supporters seems to think that somehow its "woke" to critize Trump for these actions

[void quarry]

The second order consequence of trump is he’s deradicalised the right. I warned about it during his elections. %90 of maga support war in Iran when he ran on no new wars. He hasn’t drained the swamp and instead he’s covering up the files. And again conservatives are making excuses for it cause it’s trump. He’s the perfect politician because people don’t think he is a politician. And he’s effectively brought the right to center right.

[tidal storm]

Biden sat on the files for 4 years too though but didn’t campaign on them

[void quarry]

Yep he’s a Trojan horse skin suiting as a far right disavowing and disempowering all the true far right republicans.

[void quarry]

Im not arguing that people should be democrat. Im saying the gop has betrayed the base and voting dem in the mid terms is a solid way to show them that we won’t accept that again in the form of Vance.

[tidal storm]

Both sides have been betraying us for decades and we have been dancing to this tune the whole time and going back and forth thinking something will change

[void quarry]

Trump brought all the untrusting conservatives that were anti gov into the fold.

At least before trump we had a massive population that didn’t believe a word the gov said. Now those people are doing tricks on it for trump.

[vapid valley]

I think the trumps betrayal goes far deeper than anything before. Now when I look back at the things that Biden did, it wasn't that bad presidency.

[void quarry]

The enemy you know is better than the enemy you don’t.

[tidal storm]

And they were all idiots 😂

[void quarry]

Now they are. Cause they think trumps their guy still.

[tidal storm]

I can find a lot of bad things but he did a lot of good things probably more than anyone else in the last many decades

[tidal storm]

And the far left still thinks whoever they put up is their guy

Anybody who still trusts the gov is retarded

[nimble spade]

To me at least kamala seemed almost like a candidate the dems would run if they were trying to lose. That they refused to get anyone who wasn't a zionist is probably the biggest issue that led to them losing

[tidal storm]

Voting doesn’t mean you are retarded though as long as you understand the game

[void quarry]

If Kamala was in this war with Iran no one would support it..

That’s much better than having the right support it.

[tidal storm]

Wouldn’t change a damn thing though

Gov doesn’t care what we think

[void quarry]

They do

[tidal storm]

Naive

They don’t give 3 shits

[void quarry]

Why do you think they try so hard to push narratives and propoganda?

They need our votes end of the day.

[tidal storm]

To make us believe in the system and that we have a say

It’s entertainment

On all serious issues they always vote the same. They do what they want to do no matter what we think

[plush plaza]

They are working on not needing the votes anymore. GM.👋🏻

[void quarry]

They aren’t omnipotent. They have to concern themselves with optics.

[tidal storm]

Which is why they play the game for us that isn’t real

[void quarry]

Saying we have no choice just plays into their hands.

[tidal storm]

They do what they want, one side encourages it the other shits on it then when power flips same story

[void quarry]

That’s what a slave owner wants his slaves to think that they are powerless.

[tidal storm]

You’re extremely naive

[void quarry]

I’m just not going to give up.

[tidal storm]

That’s fine

But don’t fool yourself

[void quarry]

I understand that if the majority of people vote blindly on party lines that those who place demands on their votes are disempowered.

Doesn’t inherently mean it’s a worthless endeavor,

[tidal storm]

Ok go back in time and see who actually stood by their demands? Nobody, maybe one or two things

[tidal storm]

It’s worthless because no one is ever held accountable

[nimble spade]

Well in terms of pure electoralism that is true, considering how deeply engrained the 2 party system is. Its mostly about shaping who gets to run is where the real power is, and while the higher-ups at voth party's NCs are still very powerful they can still be overcome, e.g. Zorhan's surprise win despite the establishment dems fighting against him almost as hard as they fought the republicans

[void quarry]

Nobody placed demands to begin with. They said we’ll work to shift the bad policies after he gets elected.

[tidal storm]

And the very few good people who ever get in and want to change things never get put on any committee that matters and they will run against you with all their might until another stooge gets in

[tidal storm]

Every election is always about a few hot topics. Candidates always make promises. None are ever kept

Keep trying though, somebody has too but I went through this loop a long time ago and realized how it really is and now I don’t care

[void quarry]

Lobbies get what they ask for because they place conditions on their funding. And they will retaliate in future elections if conditions aren’t met. In an election votes are the bottom line currency not funding, if a majority placed the same conditions and consequences then the people voting would start getting what they asked for in the same way.

[vapid valley]

Anyway did anyone short Aave?

[void quarry]

I thought that way too for a while. That it didn’t matter. MAGA def brought me into believing that there’s a chance but then trump betrayed us all.

[tidal storm]

Yeah and you have no money and no following and neither do any of the other citizens that’s my point

Money dictates politics

[tidal storm]

He got hijacked by the Israel lobby for sure

Votes don’t matter though because no matter who wins it’s not the voters getting what they asked for it’s the lobby’s

[void quarry]

Money buys votes in elections. In exchange for policies on the backend.

[tidal storm]

For lobbyists not for you

[void quarry]

In the one with the vote.

[tidal storm]

Ok and how has policy been decided since the moment we’ve been alive? Money and lobby’s

They tell us what they think we want to hear then when they are in that get dropped for what the money wants

[void quarry]

The people set the price for their votes. A lobbyist has no ability to buy a vote that’s not for sale.

[void quarry]

Most the time yes because people don’t set conditions on Their votes.

[tidal storm]

Ok this is going nowhere. Have fun fighting and trying to change a corrupt and rotten system

[void quarry]

Have fun giving up. And fighting people who are still trying

[vapid valley]

Screenshotted ❤️

[tidal storm]

I agree with your theory but it’s a fantasy

[tidal storm]

I live in reality

[tidal storm]

It’s hard to admit but I’ve been using ai to argue against him and noticed a ton of things but he’s still retarded

@void quarry what’s your age range?

[void quarry]

You can say that. But in reality you’re actively fighting people who are still fighting the system.

[void quarry]

Low 30s

[tidal storm]

Not fighting you just saying it’s a waste of time under current conditions

I played that game for a decade and it’s a rotten system that needs a complete reboot

[void quarry]

There’s not really a difference. I’m suggesting action and you’re saying it’s a waste of time.

[tidal storm]

Once you realize they are all the same and the system is hijacked and highly controlled then you’ll realize it’s a waste

[void quarry]

I already know that tho

I just don’t think it’s a waste of time. I think the people that realize that are the only ones who are informed enough to actually do anything about it.

Or at the very least stand in opposition and educate people about it

[dense elk]

Nothing changes if you don't do anything. It's shitty because it's unlikely one person changes anything even more so when greed is the driving factor (most web3 projects fall into this trap) but they want people to not even fight back. When that happens they've won

[void quarry]

A blind republican is worse than a blind democrat in my eyes.

[tidal storm]

I got no issue fighting back but these methods of fighting are the wrong methods so imma sit this one out

Playing left and right back and forth in this system isn’t the way

[void quarry]

That’s fine. But why discourage action if you don’t think it’s going to set us back?

[void quarry]

What’s the way then

That’s what all the most powerful people in the world do

And they are underpinned by votes.

[tidal storm]

Mass hangings. Taking money out of politics and lobby’s and corporations. People on mass scale actually caring. Regular ass people, experts in fields other than greed and crime and finance

[void quarry]

And who’s going to do it?

You?

Me?

We need a leader

[tidal storm]

Nobody that’s why I don’t care

[void quarry]

Well then your position is useless

[tidal storm]

We have a ton of good people but most regular ass people still believe in the current system

[tidal storm]

But so is yours 😂

[dense elk]

This is a very long circular argument right now. Mind pointing me to the core issue that started this?.. it's a scroll

You should both agree to disagree

[tidal storm]

I don’t remember something about bohdi voting left for midterms when he’s a far right nationalist so the right goes back to America first or something

[tidal storm]

I did 5 times already 😂

[void quarry]

I’m actually actively attempting to get a leader in who will do what it takes. Hold people accountable, rally the masses.

Your doing nothing

Well actually your discouraging action which is worse than nothing

[tidal storm]

Nothing now but I played this game for a decade already when you did nothing

[dense elk]

Well to be fair, you can't really say "you're doing it wrong" and not offer constructive alternatives. Since "do nothing" isn't really an alternative to action.. it's just the direct opposite

[tidal storm]

Discouraging action false I just said it’s a waste of time but applauded you for wanting to try

[tidal storm]

Never said he’s going it wrong just said it’s a waste of time

The entire system is rigged

[void quarry]

I was like you once I thought it didn’t matter so I did nothing. But I realized Dion nothing is exactly what people who are taking action want their opposition to do.

[tidal storm]

If you get one guy in they will attack him, give him no way to make change when he is in and campaign heavy against him until they are gone

[dense elk]

I've always wondered how we got here. You sort of need to attack these issues at the root and unfortunately that's not the president

[void quarry]

So do nothing…

[tidal storm]

Do whatever you want

I’m going to sit in the sun and enjoy my garden and life while you spend it trying to fixed a rigged system. If there is momentum anywhere meaningful I’ll jump in but I did this already for a decade and I’m over it

[void quarry]

But just know it’s a waste of time got it you’ve made your point. I’ll still be here spreading a message of hope.

[dense elk]

@void quarry what are you suggesting to do? What is your goal or the goal for whom you want voted in?

[tidal storm]

That’s fine never said it was a crime

There are too many boomers still we need them to die off because they are fucking retarded when it comes to politics so is the generation below them

[dense elk]

Thanos approach it seems

I doubt gen z or gen a are any better but isn't there always a generational bias

I can't wait to see all political compaigns happening on tic tok and only tic tok

[void quarry]

My goal is to get voters to take their own side. And stop voting down party lines. Voting the same way lobbies give funding. Playing both sides, Placing conditions on their votes, and at the very least voting in opposition when betrayed.

If republicans had said no new wars, mass deportations or we won’t vote for you, and if you betray us we’ll vote dems in the midterms to disempower you. Then at the very least we’d be far more united as a base and much more in control.

[tidal storm]

I put a lot of effort into Ron Paul for example from like 2008 until he retired. Majority of the country doesn’t give a shit and doesn’t want to hear about problems and they still believe the news and believe everything they are told. On top of the Congress is a cesspool. We need term limits and we corporations and money out of politics. The two parties have too much control and influence over who gets to run and if you don’t join them they will put so much effort into destroying you and if you get in the system itself will work against you so you can’t do anything and next thing you know you are voted out

[void quarry]

Not a single thing will ever change if everyone believed it was all a waste of time.

[tidal storm]

I agree with this and maybe it’ll work on younger generations but not older ones

[dense elk]

Interesting, and I do agree that parties are soo 1800's. But the kicker is that people are lazy as they always has been. You'd need to create a system or tool that can't be lobbied or biased to provide the information needed for them to take an accurate stance.

[void quarry]

I’m young mate. I’m talking about 28 election right now. Always looking into the future.

[tidal storm]

Need more boomers to die. Need cnn and Fox News and all of those to die. Like literally. Need old people on Facebook to quit falling for propaganda and even then….

[plush plaza]

Not possible

[tidal storm]

And I’m like your age man just a tad older

[void quarry]

Problem is lobbies are entrenched and powerful. But they are underpinned by votes. People need to wake up. And start taking their own side vs siding with this politician or that one, or left/right

[gritty root]

2028 ??

[void quarry]

Won’t help if the younger generation is disempowered, and desensitized.

[gritty root]

like you wait for big disaster

[void quarry]

Yea screw vance

[gritty root]

several time till 2028

[tidal storm]

There needs to be an actual alternative though most people who get elected get in and follow the party that’s why I say it’s a waste. Everyone is afraid to vote the way they want to vote or the way their people want them to vote. Almost all vote along party lines once they are in

[plush plaza]

Lobbies create politicians. Politics are never independent.

[gritty root]

I´m not there but law fist need to be fast

[high meteor]

gm gents

are we building demon portals

[void quarry]

That’s why I’m telling people to stop voting down party lines and making the arguments.

[void quarry]

Votes create politicians.

[gritty root]

as wee se government sales coming on big rating whit spoiled product

[void quarry]

Lobbies are powerless without votes backing them up

[gritty root]

so what you paying for ?

[plush plaza]

Nope, votes choose between alrdy existing ones…

[tidal storm]

Politicians vote with party lines that’s the point I’m trying to make. You can replace candidates and switch back and forth but until you get better candidates who aren’t pussies then your vote literally doesn’t matter because the politicians will betray you and vote along the party

[void quarry]

Well they still have capital influence in the private sector.

[tidal storm]

Need better candidates who aren’t pussies

[void quarry]

Votes choose the primary too,

[tidal storm]

My point.

[void quarry]

And they influence who’s being presented.

[dense elk]

What if, we voted on the things that bothered us during our tax return. Over the course of 4 years it's collected prior to presidential campaigns. On a public decentralized ledger that anyone can see (nice use for zk proofs actually). Then when the president is elected based on the one who's goals aligns the best with what the people have been "voting" on since the last president was elected?

[tidal storm]

I saw this and yeah 😂

[void quarry]

Tbh nothing changes without leadership. Even if the people uprise without a leader well fall back into chaos.

[dense elk]

No voting in the moment, no voting on parties. You say what's fucked up during taxes. That's used to elect the next guy/girl/them/they/cat/... No one but you know what your issues are. They state the goals of their term.

[tidal storm]

The only way in my opinion that you’ll get change is in the primaries and with better candidates who aren’t compromised or loyal to the party over constituents but these types never make any progress because of funding and the party and lobby’s fund the ones they know will fall in line

[plush plaza]

That’s the system. Everywhere.

[void quarry]

Lobbies only give money to politicians they think will get votes.

[tidal storm]

And then getting it to work nationally because getting a few people in won’t help you need to overtake the major parties

[tidal storm]

I know 😂

[plush plaza]

and they do..

[dense elk]

Imagine though you'd need people to vote 4 years in the row for the exact things a candidate wants to change to get them in...

[void quarry]

That’s why I’m speaking to voters.

[plush plaza]

Well, if that is your way, walk this path.👍

[tidal storm]

And the parties tell voters who their guy is. All these endorsements and whoever the party endorses gets the money in most cases

[autumn quartz]

Primaries are the most important elections, they are a filter.

DNC knows this and has super delegates to make sure the correct candidates make it through the filter

[tidal storm]

Exactly

[plush plaza]

As soon as someone becomes representative, there is another wind blowing for them.😁

[void quarry]

If republicans in mass said right now we’re not voting for Vance cause he betrayed us they’d find another option.

[dense elk]

Again isn't this system itself the problem?... and seems like no one feels changing it is the answer?

[void quarry]

Yea people are demoralized.

[tidal storm]

Different name same outcome more or less that’s my entire point right here.

[dense elk]

Thoughts on how your issues collected during taxes resulting in whom is elected? Hard to rig the system if the result is known before people even decide to run

[void quarry]

IMO we can either play the game or have a billion people sitting in freeways.

[autumn quartz]

Change is, two specific ones will help greatly but not 100% fix:

1. Term limits for congressmen
2. Ban political bribes campaign contributions. Publicly fund elections.

[tidal storm]

Yes this would be a great start

[void quarry]

I think there’s countless better systems. But they are all contingent on leaders who care more about the people then themselves to implement

[autumn quartz]

Small changes to the system make big impact

Without causing billions to starve

[plush plaza]

How much do you need the system to change to implement those changes?😉

[autumn quartz]

Well

[void quarry]

You need one solid president.

[dense elk]

I mean seems silly to play the same game expecting different outcomes

[tidal storm]

This is my point too

[void quarry]

People are reactive not proactive. They’re not playing they’re watching.

[plush plaza]

I don‘t think so. The micro always defines the macro.

[tidal storm]

Going after these points is a great start and a few others. Change the way the game is played and you’ll have a better chance

[dense elk]

yet you have to catch them and keep them for years until it's time to vote and people will be emotional.

[tidal storm]

Half of Congress has been in power for longer than I’ve been alive

[dense elk]

You have to vote to get your tax return would be very interesting. Where voting here is voicing your issues and concerns

[autumn quartz]

We use our system to change the system.

Ammendment can be ratified without Washington D.C.: #🆚┃high-risk-zone message

There is an ammendment advancing in state houses on election funding

Just need 38 states

[void quarry]

Goes both ways. A true leaders not going to get in if the people don’t put him there. But a true leaders all we need to make radical change.

[tidal storm]

I’d be a lot more motivated if there were term limits and corporations out of campaign financing etc

[tidal storm]

Shit lol

[void quarry]

No dual citizens in office either

[autumn quartz]

We feel we aren't represented, these changes can in good part fix that

[tidal storm]

Yeah and at the very least creates more churn which may help our odds

[autumn quartz]

What happens in practice is 15 pass it then federal politicians begin running on the topic because it's popular

But, worst case, 38 states

[tidal storm]

Would be nice to get those things

[plush plaza]

There don‘t need to be radical change. There just needs to be decency in the heads of the powerful. That’s what the world lacks on.

And decency is easy to destroy…

[void quarry]

Where are you from? Switzerland?

[plush plaza]

Germany

[void quarry]

We’re way off course mate

[plush plaza]

your thoughts in honour, bet they won‘t work.

There is no „leader who will set things straight“. Fantasy.

[tidal storm]

Need to change the rules of the game first until then yeah

[void quarry]

Man saying your from Germany really threw me off lol.

[plush plaza]

The rules are always made by those with money. One can just choise not to follow them anymore. I think you already did this.😉

[void quarry]

Forevermore moderates 🙂

[autumn quartz]

Aye it rugs the power structure enabled by changes made in the 1970s, and Citizens United

Might have to get all 38 on this one

[plush plaza]

Moderate equals compromise equals progress

[void quarry]

Right…

Moderate just means you get the same thing regardless.

Trumps moderate

[autumn quartz]

What's beautiful is our constitution is capable of rugging a corrupted government, with no revolution.

The people who designed our system were smart lads

[void quarry]

He wasn’t in 16 tho

[plush plaza]

Trumps moderate?

[split elbow]

guys wtf its sunday morning.

[tidal storm]

Exactly

[split elbow]

human nature aint changing any time soon so may as well pack it up

[tidal storm]

Thank you

Bohdi still has hope and hope is a precious commodity

Oh god Mandingo and Yaawn I’m out

[somber grail]

Lol people worry about the previous newscycle. Not what problems they've had the past few years.

[dense elk]

Which is why it'd break the cycle

[somber grail]

Enshittified tech corpos have won

It's over

[tidal storm]

Thank you

Finally

[dense elk]

Your vote is already cast by the time the election campaign even starts

[tidal storm]

Enjoy the last years we have before ai and robots take over our lives

[somber grail]

Best thing you can do is focus on your local government and problems if you want to shift something

[tidal storm]

Man I watched the matrix last night for the first time since ai boom. Hits hard

[autumn quartz]

Perfect time to chat nation building, when else

Gm

[tidal storm]

Matrix solved the energy for ai bottleneck. Ai agents are in control.

[somber grail]

Or become a billionaire and use your money for good effectively without stepping on enough toes to die in a plane crash

[void quarry]

Yea he said kids could get sex changes with parental consent. I could go on but that makes the argument.

[tidal storm]

Way ahead of its time though. Agents…. Really creeping me out now

[autumn quartz]

Yeah they ain't using the humans for batteries, it's for compute

[plush plaza]

He raped kids, grifted funds, gutted institutions, does insider trading,.. c‘mon. He is just a mobster nothing more and his staff is complicit (if not the whole GOP).

[tidal storm]

So far 😂

We haven’t blocked out the sun yet

But we do also still provide the batteries

[autumn quartz]

Feel like the singularity ai would have fusion

[tidal storm]

Why do you think we are killing all the scientists right now

The 10 that went missing

Or whatever the count is now

[autumn quartz]

...wtf

[tidal storm]

One theory I saw was they were close to free energy

[autumn quartz]

Damn, petro thugs can't give it up

[tidal storm]

It’s the matrix bro

We can’t feed the machines

China and America are pretending like we can’t solve these issues for mass data centers so we can slow it all down

If the matrix is smart they’ll let us choose which reality we want to live in. Put me in pokemon world and I’d never rebel

Like if Morpheus showed up and tried to take me out of that I’d slap him

[autumn quartz]

Ah that's the kicker

Matrix universe had tried a Utopia matrix, didn't work, Hell matrix didn't work.

They didnt try Pokemon lebubu matrix

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[tidal storm]

Utopia would suck balls but pokemon or many different matrixes 🤔

[plush plaza]

But there needs to be somone in control righ?🫩

[tidal storm]

England and Cleveland would be fucked though

It costs a lot of energy to transfer it

[autumn quartz]

Imminent domain the u.s. western desert

[plush plaza]

Put another square in the north😉

[split elbow]

hmmm doubt this

[tidal storm]

Then 6 other continents are fucked

[tidal storm]

In theory it’s true but there are many more things to it

[autumn quartz]

They just need to subscribe to AmeriEnergy and pay their tithe and send their first borns

[plush plaza]

The only thing preventing this is greed.

[autumn quartz]

Overall local nuclear and solar with networked thermal batteries is the way

[tidal storm]

Partially sure but it would be a complicated system and takes a lot of energy to move energy. I looked into getting in the energy markets where there is too much solar like Texas. Buying at peak production times and selling at night daily and it takes like 15 or 30% of the energy just to move it. Can’t remember exactly but a lot. Would need a ton of batteries everywhere probably.

[autumn quartz]

We do, there's promising and relaticely simple work to be had with gravel

[plush plaza]

It would require a worldwide distribution infrastructure, agreed. And what would be a reason to prevent this? Greed.

[tidal storm]

It’s a major factor for sure

[autumn quartz]

Rock stores heat like, really well. Any size of battery works, could use standardized freight dimensions.

[autumn quartz]

Flip the script friend

[plush plaza]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/no-wires-no-plugs-just-power-through-the-air-how-finland-is-experimenting-with-wireless-electricity/articleshow/126784345.cms

[autumn quartz]

There is so much money to be made in building a system of kinetic and thermal energy storage

Greed can power this transition

Imo, given everything, in the short-term we may require our system changes to be greed-enabling

We don't see change because we fight greed itself. It's not going away, we're broken.

Work with greed

Focus it

[plush plaza]

you know the abrev of FOCUS? 🤣

[autumn quartz]

^ that's like, if you want to actually see real change in our lifetimes

[plush plaza]

Don't think in ones own lifetime is a key criterion for real progress.

[autumn quartz]

I hear the value and wisdom here, I respect it.

But now, try getting the world to do that

[plush plaza]

I‘m with @somber grail and @tidal storm in this case. It’s too late.

[autumn quartz]

I think so to, barring some kind of cataclysmic event that you probably don't want and probably wouldn't survive

[tidal storm]

Yeah fuck that noise

I’m perfectly happy drinking my beer and wine and growing my crops and hanging out with neighbors

And having children

[plush plaza]

That’s life.👍

[somber grail]

These are UFO related

[tidal storm]

That’s a cover

I like the free energy theory better 😂

UFOs have no positive outcomes

[somber grail]

Utopia does not work for humans

Look at our current state lol

Utopia means no abusers of any systems

That's just not possible

Everything was chill then America had to go back to dropping bombs

[tidal storm]

Unless a unbiased decentralized from humans ai takes over absolutely everything and make no mistakes prompt is entered

[somber grail]

Decentralization is so unnatural it can't last

[tidal storm]

Decentralized from humans

[somber grail]

What in nature is decentralized and survives?

[autumn quartz]

Aye can it last with a moderator

[autumn quartz]

Micilium networks in forests

[tidal storm]

We need a Borg government but one that won’t kill or integrate us into them

[tidal storm]

Polis

[somber grail]

That's all 1 entity lol

[autumn quartz]

Fuck

[somber grail]

It's like saying IRGC is decentralized

Like yeah they operate in that way

But they all act under the same underlying principles and leadership

[tidal storm]

Wanna make Yaawn mad just drop the D word

[somber grail]

This happens to centralize power though

[tidal storm]

Resistance is futile

[somber grail]

Also it is relatively new in human terms

[tidal storm]

Man puri was the moment I learned decentralization was a scam

Democracy too need to bring back kings

[gritty root]

USA is a pimp

[somber grail]

Bi eh

What if jmmyam is Netanyahu

[tidal storm]

Then I’m fucked

[tidal storm]

Oh just noticed lol

Jimmyam upside down is Arabic for Benjamin

[autumn quartz]

What do you think about hunter/gatherers in this context?

Are they just smaller centralized systems?

[tidal storm]

1s and 0s

Isn’t all a centralized system? You hunt and you gather and we all survive

[gritty root]

natankotiga Golden

https://tenor.com/view/pawan-kalyan-og-they-call-him-og-bhibatsam-sword-click-gif-11811737580791387773

[tidal storm]

Yeah this is definitely Netanyahu

[autumn quartz]

If you zoom out and are looking at many gatherer cultures across the landscape:

Is human society decentralized, or a patchwork of centralized societies?

[tidal storm]

Patchwork of centralized societies. We can’t become decentralized as a species until we are multi-planetary. How many times have we almost gone extinct?

Each tribe is like a node all working towards the same exact things more or less

One cataclysm could wipe out the entire network

[somber grail]

I mean most of these survived with dozens of people at most and most had some authority figure they respected.

Humans thrive in smaller systems imo

I mean we'll probably eventually go back to some type of communal living with private quarters eventually

might be centuries before it happens but I'm sure we'll try every possible system available eventually 😂

we're what like 5-100k years into modern humans depending how u define it

lots of time to try all sorts of fucked up systems and do all sorts of depraved shit

[gritty root]

Your insults have no basis.

[swift canyon]

I'll let @uneven ore be the judge of this

[autumn quartz]

In some ways this is happening now due to the housing situation in the u.s.

There's a growing number of growing-in-size semi-mobile communities

Like rv towns that move

[plush plaza]

Cooperation of many small groups is key. I think you are right.

But COOPERATION not competition.

[autumn quartz]

I agree with the benefits of being multiplanitary. Wouldn't a multiplanetary human civilization be the same thing as the centralized patchwork but on a bigger scale?

Except in our extinction-vulnerability I suppose

Maybe the question is more

Why can't we be decentralized

[tidal storm]

Yeah prob lol

[tidal storm]

It’s against nature

[plush plaza]

Doubt it.

It’s not survival of the fittest. Only in very few situations.

[odd dawn]

I regret reading

[somber grail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/N0CIxcyPLputW

[odd dawn]

This would be a great channel for the FBI

[tidal storm]

Sus

[odd dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-goodbye-chat-gif-20617383

[tidal storm]

Grok says ant colonies are decentralized

Slime molds

The brain

Ecosystems

[odd dawn]

Is the sky blue?

[tidal storm]

Don’t you have power plants to go blow up or something

[odd dawn]

Cease fire - give it 2 days

[plush plaza]

Perhaps after Patel is fired 🤣

[nimble spade]

honestly I feel like this is the least important reason for humanity's expansion. I feel its more important for its more transcendent values such as human cooperation it inspires and the values of exploring and discovering new places

[somber grail]

[tidal storm]

Last time we discovered a new place we genocided and conquered it

[tidal storm]

Ant colonies (and other social insects): Ants operate without a central controller. No ant directs others; instead, complex behaviors like foraging, nest maintenance, and task allocation arise from simple local rules—such as pheromone trails for paths or antennal contacts that signal encounter rates with successful foragers. A low encounter rate might prompt a worker to switch tasks. This creates “pulsing, shifting” global patterns through decentralized interactions. The infamous “ant mill” (where ants trapped in a pheromone loop march in circles until exhaustion) shows what happens when those local rules fail in unusual conditions. Similar decentralized coordination occurs in bee swarms or termite mounds.

Original question was “does decentralization exist in nature”

[somber grail]

I mean

Iunno

they are just doing behaviour based on a bunch of chemcial reactions right

[plush plaza]

like humans..

[somber grail]

😂

fair

[plush plaza]

Neurons are the same

[somber grail]

nope this is a slippery slope

can already feel my brain struggling

[gritty root]

taking a voter's vote and then betraying him like that, I think such a scenario can be seen in similar forms in movies

[somber grail]

ants to me are more like cells in your system

how about this there is no intentional decentralized system that works

[plush plaza]

DNA?

[somber grail]

what

[plush plaza]

It’s intentional and highly decentralized😁

[somber grail]

I don't see how DNA is intentional

are we going to get into a creation debate now

[plush plaza]

It reacts and acts

[somber grail]

cause I've managed to avoid those my entire life

[plush plaza]

Nope.

[tidal storm]

Decentralization is the transfer of authority, decision-making, and resources from a central authority to subordinate units, such as local governments, field offices, or teams. It spreads power away from a central hub to improve efficiency, responsiveness, and participation. It is often classified by political, fiscal, or administrative types

I suppose any colony is that

But the colony acts on behalf of the best interests of the queen/colony no?

If choosing whether I start walking with my left foot first instead of my right means I’m decentralized then sure

[plush plaza]

That’s the difference to us.😁

[tidal storm]

The primary purpose of an ant colony is to ensure the survival, growth, and reproduction of the population by acting as a single, highly organized superorganism

Sounds centralized to me

Colonies function to protect the queen, raise brood, forage for food, and defend territory. They operate without central control, using pheromones for communication and task efficiency

I give up

So an ant colony is centralized in purpose but decentralized in execution?

[nimble spade]

that is the unfortunate historical precident, discovery and exploration being synonymous for conquest and genocide. I hope though that as a species, we'll be able to move forward beyond our low-minded squabbles and cooperate together to explore space in peace for all mankind

[plush plaza]

Decentralized in decision making and centralized in achieving goals.

[tidal storm]

Right

Interesting

[nimble spade]

I wouldn't call that centralized though, moreso unified in purpose

[plush plaza]

fair

[tidal storm]

While ants do not hold formal elections with ballots, they do use democratic, consensus-based decision-making to make collective choices, such as selecting a new nest site. These decisions are often made via "voting with their feet," where individual ants inspect potential sites and, if a site is suitable, recruit others to it until a quorum is reached.

Ants are more advanced than humans lol

I bet commie PhD candidates wrote all these

[plush plaza]

https://youtu.be/tOYnqYdfFBM?is=v5R8qbhSPHsVGe1s

[tidal storm]

hile nest hunting is democratic, other situations, such as the death of a queen, can lead to different methods. For example, when an Indian jumping ant queen dies, potential leaders engage in months-long battles ("antennal fencing") to select a new queen, in a process closer to a combat-driven hierarchy than an election

[zinc lichen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/scheme-7wToiGB3M5wME

[tidal storm]

Ants are awesome

[zinc lichen]

its all one big pyramid scheme

[tidal storm]

We tried combat driven hierarchy already though

[void quarry]

DNA requires coherent encoded information to exist. It’s one of the best arguments for an intentional and necessary existence

[zinc lichen]

Only way we get real decentralisation is if we somehow solve the "naked, lost and afraid" problem of human existance

and buy that I mean realy solve it in sense that we have actual free acces to all human needs

but

than ppl get bored, and start declining, moraly

struggle to not be naked, lost and afraid is what drives us, all the time

one look at so caled "elite" that have those things solved for them, shows how deranged they get

start worshiping baaal, raping and eating children

waging wars around the globe bc they are bored

[plush plaza]

This is, when you just pay for your position and don‘t have to fight for it.😁

[zinc lichen]

and dont have to actualy participate in those wars

like comander / king goes first army folows and things like that

https://giphy.com/gifs/tophermcgee3-shrek-lord-farquaad-farquad-9ywPjIs6wjn1Q9mnSE

[plush plaza]

You know that they are mostly female, right? May explain one or two things.🤣

[zinc lichen]

isnt that beez? or ants are the same

[plush plaza]

Mostly female society.

Bees too ofc

[tidal storm]

We tried that too didn’t work

Also ants still have a massive war and enslaving operations going on world wide

[zinc lichen]

we need aliens, to make our civilisation shift

[tidal storm]

We are the aliens bro

[zinc lichen]

well, more aliens

so we can all unite in hating and trying to destroy them

[tidal storm]

No that’s what Epstein wants

All of us uniting under their system

This is why we need bohdi to fix it first

[zinc lichen]

well, that will be a problem for a bit yes, what system to unite under eh

aaaand we circle back to fighting eachother

tho i wonder how religions would explain aliens landing these days

[tidal storm]

Holograms or demons

[zinc lichen]

fake AI news

wich makes you wonder, if all this AI spam is to make us not believe when aliens actually invade

https://giphy.com/gifs/historyuk-aliens-giorgio-ancient-3oEjI789af0AVurF60

[high meteor]

yeah sam altman is opening portals to let them through

[zinc lichen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-mrw-netflix-s8X61m47R3GZW

https://giphy.com/gifs/jack-sam-9ALcdYJwOsuBi

[high meteor]

though I still don't understand how that's possible when llms suck balls

actually...maybe that's why they suck

all compute goes to the portals

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

[zinc lichen]

maybe those that we get to use suck

and those that dont suck are runing portals

we get lame ones to distract us and make us believe they all suck

https://giphy.com/gifs/roosterteeth-rooster-teeth-rt-podcast-tin-foil-h1QI7dgjZUJO60nu2X

[cursive crypt]

gm you all have been busy solving world problems. Great work and interesting reading but I think I will go back to studing the Embercoil file and make it my new reality. Have a great day and don't forget big brother is watching.

[high meteor]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jay-z-listening-hiLLD9o1wTB3a

[autumn quartz]

I want to believe this. While I want to see us on the Moon and Mars regardless, it will be money and war that brings us there imo

Transcendent values are sadly not strictly necessary to become multiplanetary.

[tidal storm]

We have been gaslit so much I don’t think we would care anymore

[autumn quartz]

They're decentralized but have the same values/goal. They can't not have the same goal even. Is an ant colony prison?

[high meteor]

I'm certain that if an alien ship landed in front of the white house no one would care

first, no one would believe it's true

[tidal storm]

Yeah both for sure 😂

Boomers would freak the fuck out though

[nimble spade]

unfortunately that seems the current course. I find it very unfortunate that the international cooperation that defined space in the post-cold war era and the creation of the ISS has since come to mostly a close, Artemis' international cooperation is mostly constrained to the US sphere of influence

[somber grail]

mate ever since deep fakes have become a thing

I've been saying UFOs will suddenly be real and potentially a way to control major populations

[tidal storm]

15 years ago in the conspiracy world this was the end game this or they just kill everyone

[cursive crypt]

We would be fine just so they don't mess with our Social Security benifits.

[somber grail]

maybe aliens can fix the tax code

[tidal storm]

If they destroy the gov then we won’t have to pay

[tidal storm]

That’s gone in 7 years

[somber grail]

they should just use inflation as a way to tax everyone

would be more fair

would simplify everything quite a lot 😂

Accountants and IRS could all go do something productive then

[tidal storm]

Wouldn’t that be nice

[cursive crypt]

True but I probably will be also. I'm just being sarcastic but it is a voting block.

[somber grail]

nah won't be gone

just reduced

[gritty root]

On your side, everything has been stripped down / cut back.

[tidal storm]

After 7 years of inflation and currency debasement that’ll mean the same thing

[plush plaza]

If so, then every society is in that regard.

[high meteor]

https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/2045853011012952080?s=20

BRICS News (@BRICSinfo)

JUST IN: 🇪🇺 Europe recommends remote work and expanded public transport to reduce fuel demand, FT reports.

X · Apr 19, 2026, 1:12 PM

guys I think this is the pandemic moment when everything pamped

(including games)

[tidal storm]

https://x.com/jeffbezos/status/2045874068763632017?s=46

Jeff Bezos (@JeffBezos)

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:36 PM

So over for Elon

[cursive crypt]

In America I say bigger engines that burn more gas bigger is always better. This picture is photoshopped kind of like pre A.I.

[hidden steeple]

https://x.com/josusanmartin/status/2045869873532739653?s=20

Josu San Martin (@josusanmartin)

AAVE broke.

ETH depositors cannot withdraw the ETH so they are borrowing stables to "withdraw" funds. So now stable depositors cannot withdraw either, so they'll probably borrow other assets, and those lenders won't be able to withdraw either.

This is a full on run on AAVE.

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:19 PM

[high meteor]

rip

[slow fossil]

AWESOME!
Now robots can run us down and murder us.
#progress
https://x.com/CNN/status/2045802542097973601?s=20

CNN (@CNN)

A humanoid robot won a half-marathon in Beijing in 50 minutes and 26 seconds, finishing faster than Ugandan runner Jacob Kiplimo's world record.

Read more: https://t.co/9dAhROVvPn

X · Apr 19, 2026, 9:51 AM

[tidal storm]

Just wait until you see their robot dogs

[tidal storm]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[somber grail]

Those already exist

they patrol some cities

lol

look just like the ones out of Black Mirror

just no guns yet

[tidal storm]

That’s what I mean 😂

[gritty root]

Quantum table is like holo-table, just Nvidia is on the way to new Matrix

but that is maybe to much for some culture

maybe I get early retirement

[sweet crow]

So does this mean mass margin calls across several tokens?

[zinc lichen]

depends where market goes i think, it looks like its gona be wound up to brim, and if markets go south it all breaks since nobody can unvind

[hidden steeple]

Gonna be up to AAVE to save this situation.

[zinc lichen]

https://x.com/Pybast/status/2045904159858204733

Pybast (@Pybast)

Sorry to announce more bad news.

I would advise to stop interacting with ANY DeFi dApp for the coming days as there is an ongoing incident on Vercel related to stolen Github and NPM keys.

We still don't know enough but if the claims are true, frontends could get compromised

X · Apr 19, 2026, 4:35 PM

[plush plaza]

hack .gitignore and get rich 🤣

[slow dock]

S&P500 and the nasdaq highest it’s ever been. Almost 50 percent for Nasdaq in a year.. get in on the American boom!

[slow fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/and-that-is-the-end-of-the-story-simon-wiggle-the-end-finish-conclusion-gif-23615248

[zinc lichen]

https://x.com/solana_sailor/status/2045948817242271821

Sailor (@solana_sailor)

🚨 VERCEL got hacked

How it started

a third-party AI app with compromised Google OAuth access

Now claims of internal DBs, employee accounts, and GitHub/NPM tokens for sale

For affected projects, this can mean
• exposed API keys
• database access
• compromised tokens
•

X · Apr 19, 2026, 7:33 PM

[cursive crypt]

How is it possible for Gala coin to have a $20.83 million 24hr volume and a market cap of $152.8m?

[bronze bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/money-good-girls-bills-bucks-dollars-gif-16365425

[high meteor]

https://x.com/Mericamemed/status/2045872547397345668?s=20

MERICA MEMED (@Mericamemed)

Money can absolutely buy you happiness.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:30 PM

[tidal storm]

Most coins trade 5-10% daily volume of their marketcap on a normal day. How it has 150m marketcap tho idk

[high meteor]

https://x.com/raidenkrn/status/2045492954391789669?s=20

Raiden (@raidenkrn)

pov: your reaction when 4 crypto games you invested in shutdown in the same week

▶ Play video

X · Apr 18, 2026, 1:21 PM

https://x.com/DovySimuMMA/status/2045873798873063429?s=20

Dovy🔌 (@DovySimuMMA)

what the actual f*ck is this?

▶ Play video

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:34 PM

eganGo

[swift canyon]

Remember Peanut

Who was completely innocent

but was sacrificed

to help Trump facilitate the end times

[somber grail]

gm

[rotund hare]

gm

[autumn quartz]

Gm

[odd dawn]

GM

[tidal storm]

Gm

[zinc lichen]

https://x.com/waleswoosh/status/2046147450394890680

wale.moca 🐳 (@waleswoosh)

Money is leaving DeFi at an unprecedented scale

X · Apr 20, 2026, 8:42 AM

[tidal storm]

I left kamino today

Like 60 dollars

[zinc lichen]

in debating to do the same

while they are among the best

risk/revard ratio is not there

[tidal storm]

I was borrowing against btc to gamble but not worth the risk after all the bullshit recently

[zinc lichen]

i only have stables in defi, and lil bit sol

well, in kamino i pulled from everything else

[dry carbon]

GM profit takers

[cursive crypt]

gm

[gritty root]

gm

[cursive crypt]

https://klipy.com/gifs/squirrel-picnic

I remember Peanut a true martyr. Got a lot of mileage out of that little guy.

[rotund hare]

why not rank 1 -10? lol

Aave is wrecked right now

cant withdraw your stables

[high meteor]

https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2046204529897611573?s=20

The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter)

BREAKING: The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.

Beginning today, businesses can file claims through a new customs system.

Over 330,000 importers across 53 million

X · Apr 20, 2026, 12:29 PM

https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-awesome-xThtaeLH0yvYY5lXCU

[high meteor]

https://x.com/GamingDailyx/status/2046207353218101629?s=20

Gaming Daily (@GamingDailyx)

WEB2 ⚡️: Blizzard Shuts Down TurtleWoW and Stormforge Private Servers

• Blizzard filed a lawsuit against TurtleWoW for copyright infringement, resulting in a court-ordered shutdown
• Stormforge received a cease and desist and agreed to close following discussions with

X · Apr 20, 2026, 12:40 PM

man these crypto games just keep closing

[tidal storm]

Crazy

[tidal storm]

As long as we can get c4 I’ll be able to sleep at night

[rotund hare]

hope u got some cash saved for ATMTAs next item drop

we know Lysimach is too poor to buy anything

[tidal storm]

Bought a t5 today from the team, what’s coming next?

[rotund hare]

whaat. what are the prices?

[tidal storm]

2625

T4s 850ish

[rotund hare]

oh niceeee

[tidal storm]

Got a little side project doing LP and trying to buy team assets with gains. Nothing too crazy but trying to do my part

[rotund hare]

im dumping almost all of my liquid cash into STRK and gunna sit on those 11.5% dividends for awhile

im done with defi

[tidal storm]

Yeah fuck defi

[rotund hare]

might have some decent cash flow again

[tidal storm]

Strc is pretty interesting

Biggest ponzi ever but it might just do ok 😂

[rotund hare]

shocking this dude can give out 11.5% where the entire defi industry cant

[rotund hare]

i mean... what isnt a ponzi

everyone needs new money and new customers to survie

[tidal storm]

Corner bakery but everything else…

[tidal storm]

Yeah exactly

Saylor is so autistic and genius and retarded though I love it

[rotund hare]

yeah

BTC + STRK + SOLANA + Hype

throw in some AI stocks

should be good

[somber grail]

I mean this 100% collapses eventually 😂

[rotund hare]

everything collapses eventually

[somber grail]

I mean

Real businesses last a lot longer

[tidal storm]

Idk how the fuck they have billions every week to otc him 😂

[somber grail]

Than paying out yields by taking money from people so they can get more yield

[somber grail]

Selling more STRC at $100

It's literally a pyramid scheme😂

[tidal storm]

I mean the people selling btc

Like an unlimited supply out there

[rotund hare]

if he just keeps buying all the BTC

eventually we win

[somber grail]

How

[rotund hare]

there isnt unlimited BTC

[somber grail]

He just becomes the egg man

[tidal storm]

At some point it won’t go up forever and idk what the fuck his plan is

[somber grail]

Doesn't seem like he has an end game

Or hasn't ever articulated out

[tidal storm]

Btc global reserve currency and he becomes the new fed

[somber grail]

I guess wait for USD to collapse

Is the end game

[tidal storm]

Yeah 😂

[somber grail]

Might work out tbh

[tidal storm]

As long as it doesn’t go to like 15k for the next 10 years straight

[somber grail]

But yeah they don't have a cap on STRC

Can become problematic

[rotund hare]

just gotta get out before i suppose

is anything safe anymore

[tidal storm]

No man

Schwab and saylor

[somber grail]

A house

[rotund hare]

yeah you gunna rent that shit for like 4% APR

[tidal storm]

Until Mamdani seizes it because I can’t afford the tax

[rotund hare]

dont go to fucking New York

Texas only place left

[tidal storm]

He’s going to be president some day

So charismatic

[somber grail]

0 shot lol

U can't become President after running New York into the ground

[tidal storm]

If capitalism keeps failing us it’s a shoe in

[tidal storm]

It was Biden’s fault

[rotund hare]

u sure? Newsom may try for president and he ruined Cali.

[tidal storm]

He already blamed the previous guy 3 days in

[somber grail]

Cali culture ruined itself

Didn't matter who was gov there

[rotund hare]

i mean thats a bit defeatist

[somber grail]

Wdym

[rotund hare]

you dont think a good governor could fix Cali?

[somber grail]

No

Good governor would never win in Cali

[tidal storm]

Arnold?

[somber grail]

Cali has been running itself into the ground for 20 years

States don't become bad over night lol

[rotund hare]

fuck did you see that California law where they are going to make it illegal to do investigative journalism

[tidal storm]

Yeah, we use to talk shit about it all the time from Oregon

[tidal storm]

Yeah man then took credit for combating the fraud the dude found

[rotund hare]

when I was going to law school in SF...

it was shocking "How can this be the richest city in the world."

I used to "dodge poop to work"

instead "walk to work"

and i would tell people that

[tidal storm]

Yeah I use to go there as soon as I was able to drive, it was kinda bad but each year it got so much much worse

[rotund hare]

i still have an image of a homeless person taking a shit on the side walk

ingrained in my brain

[rotund hare]

it used to be a bit artsy and gay

[somber grail]

Just need to give him more free money

And it'll work out

[tidal storm]

Yeah that’s why we went

[rotund hare]

Dubai is the answer really

[tidal storm]

Plus the weather

[rotund hare]

best of america

[tidal storm]

I’ve had my fill of jihad no thanks

[rotund hare]

They send all the jihads to UK

[tidal storm]

There is no perfect place

[rotund hare]

moderate muslims in Dubai

and im not joking

[tidal storm]

I saw a few weeks back Germany wanted to send half a million back to Syria and they told Germany to fuck off

Pretty funny

[rotund hare]

LOL syria said no?

[tidal storm]

Yeah 😂

[rotund hare]

🤣 🤣 🤣

truth

Dubai wont issue visas to most Gulf countries

my friend got rejected because she was working in Saudi and was a resident

shes canadian

she had to go back to canada, then reapply

[tidal storm]

Too far from the wifi can’t get a link

[tidal storm]

Wild

[rotund hare]

Yeah UAE just went back to the 1850s and said "How do we use immigration to build our countries like America did."

except they didnt need to slaught an entire population of american indians

[tidal storm]

Well to be fair that was mostly the French and British

By the time we got to them it was already down like 80%

[rotund hare]

maybe early on

The push west though?

[tidal storm]

But we still did it

[rotund hare]

that was America

[tidal storm]

Yeah by the time that happened their population was already down like a massive amount

[rotund hare]

but honestly... EVERYONE has done that at some point in history.

[tidal storm]

Columbus Day I researched this to explain it to locals here

[rotund hare]

every single country has murdered a fuck ton of people to further their cause

[tidal storm]

Yeah literally

Researched this topically heavily too because argued with family because they thing only white people did it (non white side whining)

But literally everyone. Persians probably the best overall but had their moments

China did it too over their long history

[rotund hare]

Exactly

[tidal storm]

Like everyone

[rotund hare]

dont talk about slavery from blacks -> whites

[tidal storm]

Africans been selling us slaves since the beginning of time

And Arabs and tartars been selling us

Everybody did it but at least we fought to end it

We enslaved ourselves a bit too

Funny part is the UN recently tried to push the trans Atlantic slave trade as the worse thing that’s ever happened in human history and talked about reparations which was a joke

Africa and Portugal would be paying Brazilians and Americans but they wanted Europe to pay I think

[rotund hare]

LOL

ridiculous

[tidal storm]

Slavery itself sure I can get on board with that but blaming one specific one that wasn’t even the worst and then talking about reparations I mean come on. I’m pretty sure the country that pushed in the the UN was one of the ones who sold them to us too

[hidden steeple]

KOO KOO KA CHU 4 LIFE

[terse quest]

UN has become such a bad joke.

[dry carbon]

We didn't learn the lessons of the first league of nations, and the UN is suffering from the same bad institutional architecture

[terse quest]

Exactly. Seeing one UN Security Council member invade a neighbour and another one supporting it teaches a lot about realism and idealism in international relations.

How is it affecting Council of Peace architecture? 😜

[dry carbon]

HAHAHA

It did actually

That's why the first thing the council of peace did was

get 70% of each faction military force

under its power

so it is actually the strongest power in the galaxy

and can impose

[somber grail]

sounds TOXIC

[dry carbon]

Very

[gritty root]

TOP scrwer

[slow fossil]

For a hot second I honestly thought you were referring to Trump's "Board of Peace" and was like 😮

[gritty root]

How to sell United Force ?

it's a puzzle, we know the white man always has great methods

[cursive crypt]

Don't come to Arkansas we're full.

[rotund hare]

https://tenor.com/view/andteam-euijoo-euijoo-typing-andteam-meme-andteam-reaction-meme-euijoo-meme-gif-2949278083531357774

[autumn quartz]

Is there a fundamental problem with defi that can't be fixed?

[high meteor]

yeah the protocol gets hacked and you get fucked 😄

good luck getting your money back

[void quarry]

You know it’s illegal to film a drone strike in Dubai right?

Or share a clip of one

[rotund hare]

Yes. Of course I know that. What's your point?

[autumn quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-how-to-fix-it-annoyed-frustrated-colt-bennett-gif-15127947

[rotund hare]

No, not a fundamental problem. Human problem. Folks are building too fast and not thinking about security. I imagine the stock markets, banks, etc, all started very similar. They have just had 80+ years to revise and rethink. And no one rememberse all the giant fuckups they had. Defi is like 5 years old?

[gritty root]

obviously is that 1 hole isn´t big enough

[odd dawn]

Fck nato

[hidden steeple]

Chain reaction (literally and figuratively):
https://x.com/jussy_world/status/2046115272881582389?s=20

jussy (@jussy_world)

Because of the recent hacks

@kamino markets hit 100% utilization

Main market $165M borrowed out of $171M available

Multiple vaults are sitting above 95% utilization with very thin liquidity left

That's why APYs doubled overnight from 4-5% to 10-12%

Crazy times...

X · Apr 20, 2026, 6:34 AM

[zinc lichen]

sound on , haha

[agile eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-forget-it-no-gif-20897153

I'm glad I favorited this gif because I can't find it in a lookup anymore

[hidden steeple]

masterpiece

[void quarry]

Just checking

Seemed like you were taken aback by California potentially making journalism illegal. But sounds like you’re cool with it having moved to a place where that’s already the case

[hidden steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935606734192529449/1330775529917255700/swag-turn-down-attitude-a-notch.gif

[void quarry]

Yea wouldn’t want him arrested for criticizing his gov. I’ll stop.

[cursive crypt]

I have been huge on Defi waiting on it to mature I was even a top 1%er with FLR but traded in a big chunk of my FLR bag for Star Atlas assets a year ago. Defi is in the future but so is C4 so I think I will just build my fuel business in Galia and hold my XRP bag and see what the next few years brings.

[agile eagle]

one of those two places is in America. with the Constitution.

[void quarry]

Sadly a lot of our right are violated daily. War without congressional approval, mass data collection, protest restriction. Just to name a few.

[agile eagle]

Well, Iran isn't war. Every president since bush has bombed other countries without congressional approval

otherwise, yeah, a lot of our liberties are violated regularly

[void quarry]

Maybe the midnight hammer op could be simply considered a “bombing” but we’ve dropped over 10k bombs, for nearly 2 months now, and there’s now global second order consequences as a result. It’s not a declared war, but by every other metric it’s a war. And at best it’s borderline unconditional.

[agile eagle]

pretty standard course of business. check Obama

[void quarry]

Every non declared war is a constitutional violation.

We haven’t had an official declaration of war for nearly a century

[cursive crypt]

LOL the big guy is getting sucked into a debate in the echo chamber you will be getting calls. This is how I ended my day today. https://youtube.com/shorts/68Ix077mGyw?si=0tnfRlU5qKzhJ7x0

[tidal storm]

Please don’t lmao

[tidal storm]

Yeah, my opinion of it now

https://x.com/chainlinkgod/status/2046370183309382079?s=46

Zach Rynes | CLG (@ChainLinkGod)

Look guys, it's actually really straightforward, a bunch of people staked their ETH on the Ethereum blockchain to earn yield, except they didn't want their capital to be locked up, so they actually staked with a liquid staking protocol called Lido who provided them a liquid

X · Apr 20, 2026, 11:27 PM

[rotund hare]

Comparing the California law prohibiting investigative journalism to prohibitions on sharing images during WAR is one of the most baffling things you've ever said.

You do understand what a war is right? Death, destruction, etc. Lives at stake. Are you that fucking naive and sheltered? Answer yes. God damn arm chair warrior with no clue how the world actually works.

Every single country during times of war enacts laws and regulations which prevent the spreading of war time intelligence. Including the USA.

[plush plaza]

Does it prohibit investigative journalism, or is it a disinformative claim?

[high meteor]

https://x.com/arkham/status/2046438688008352035?s=20

Arkham (@arkham)

ARBITRUM RECOVERS $70.9M FROM KELPDAO EXPLOITER

The Arbitrum Security Council just removed $70.97M ETH from the KelpDAO Exploiter’s addresses. They sent it to the address 0x0000000000000000000000000000000000000DA0

North Korea stole the money and Arbitrum stole it back.

X · Apr 21, 2026, 3:59 AM

[high meteor]

https://x.com/charise_lee/status/2046441037816819863?s=20

Meidas_Charise Lee (@charise_lee)

Getting gas in Tehran

▶ Play video

X · Apr 21, 2026, 4:08 AM

wow didn't know gas in iran was so cheap

damn

[zinc lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-oh-really-unimpressed-excuse-me-eyebrowraise-gif-4114443248400337300

[rotund hare]

context: salary is about $80 per month (per a reply to that tweet)

[zinc lichen]

for those laizy to read

[high meteor]

it was good while it worked

[zinc lichen]

"worked" lol

didnt we caled out the whole "restaking" bushit here in chat?

[rotund hare]

tbh since you love Iran so much you should just move there.

[plush plaza]

Just for context: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-stop-nick-shirley-act/

[high meteor]

your reading comprehension degrades every day

[rotund hare]

funny coming from the guy that doesn't read 99% of the links he posts

And tbh I wouldn't expect you to understand understand what critical thinking is.

[cedar hound]

That gobshite is a hero to those whose narrative he serves, you're not gonna get rational discussion with people emotionally connected to what he serves etc

So much of what 'independent journalism' is defended is just utter narrative spun shite and over time the more and more people lean into entertainment (pumped up on feelings) than to really be educated, the less rational the modern world will be.

Back to monke

E.g when all of the USAID shit was going off, folks hyper focused on the most absurd shit receiving funding but just ignored shit they liked (Like Elon's subsidiary network of companies absorbing tax payer's money).

The hyper feelings focus on 'what a waste of money'

Jump to now when there was a damning report about what the Pentagon was spending tax payer's money on, no one gives a shit. Because they love it.

🍆

Just don't expect good things to happen in the current state of society and you'll do better off mentally

[dense elk]

Who would want to live in Cally anyways lol

Sounds like Iran is the bomb these days

[plush plaza]

Oh, i don‘t expect good things to happen. I‘m just enjoying.😁

[dry carbon]

GM sailors

https://x.com/saylor/status/2046197791228068167?s=46&t=IUex6C-mgHv_DuCblCby6w

Michael Saylor (@saylor)

Strategy has acquired 34,164 BTC for ~$2.54 billion at ~$74,395 per bitcoin and has achieved BTC Yield of 9.5% YTD 2026. As of 4/19/2026, we hodl 815,061 $BTC acquired for ~$61.56 billion at ~$75,527 per bitcoin. $MSTR $STRC https://t.co/ifGXjMeIZH

X · Apr 20, 2026, 12:02 PM

Bro is on its way to 1m BTC

He is such a top blaster

Got to respect the commitment

[tidal storm]

Tbh I’d love to live there if it weren’t for the Islamic extremism

[high meteor]

you read but don't understand...

[rotund hare]

I've been trying to buy STRK for the 11.5% dividends for the last 2 days. Its a cluster F trying to get large sums of money off chain into IBKR.

And then I just asked myself... why am i bothering with STRK when I could just buy bitcoin?

[rotund hare]

Ahh. I just found out your super power.

[high meteor]

https://giphy.com/gifs/people-imgur-QWrClN3mlYtHO

[zinc lichen]

https://x.com/JamesChristoph/status/2046349256391315874

James Christoph (@JamesChristoph)

Breaking: $292M stolen from DeFi protocol

Also DeFi: there was $292M in there?

(It was $15M, looped 19 times)

X · Apr 20, 2026, 10:04 PM

[tidal storm]

Look at strc

[rotund hare]

yeah i meant STRC not STRK

[tidal storm]

Strk has a nice yield but looks volatile

Strc same yield and stableish

[rotund hare]

yeah STRC. so if i hold bitcoin for 3 years

it needs to go up at least 38.6% to match 11.5% of STRC

which i suppose is exactly what Saylor is betting on

[tidal storm]

Yeah

Basically

[rotund hare]

alright gunna buy BTC

[tidal storm]

If you need income though without trading the market trying to be right it works

[rotund hare]

cold wallet

yeah we dont need income right now, job is going well

i just saw the dividends and was like ... damn thats rent i want that

UAE is just very restrictive and made it a PITA

[tidal storm]

Btc long term should out perform and if it doesn’t you’re wrecked on that anyway

[rotund hare]

yes, exactly what i was thinking

if BTC fails im wrecked

on both sides

the other benefit is that my IBKR account is very unlikely to get hacked so that was a big positive

[tidal storm]

Diversify a bit into tradfi, quite a few Div stocks that pay 3ish percent. Not much but won’t be going to zero

[rotund hare]

i think ill wait for AI stocks

[tidal storm]

Yeah this too, I moved out of defi this week because of it

[rotund hare]

same.

[zinc lichen]

Imo it comes down to taxes and regulation isnt it

[tidal storm]

These exist. It’s called Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon and Nvidia, tsmc, Intel and many other hardwares

[dense elk]

famous last words, everybody is being hacked these days. Just your party is backed by governments probably

[zinc lichen]

like, how much you pay on that 11.5%

and when

[rotund hare]

yeah i think IBKR has 500k insurance

[tidal storm]

Yeah we have “insurance” in tradfi atleast

[rotund hare]

what do you mean? its monthly dividends

[tidal storm]

And if those go down then everything is fucked

[rotund hare]

yeah we wont care about money if the government fails

[tidal storm]

Think it’s tax deferred

Idk what that means so don’t quote me

[rotund hare]

tax?

[zinc lichen]

yea it depends on where you live

[rotund hare]

STRC is US sourced dividend so its taxed at 30% withholding. reduced by treaty.

[zinc lichen]

hope its not Germany lol

[tidal storm]

It’s tax deferred

For us investors

[rotund hare]

However, MicroStrategies has said that they will never have E&P for STRC so they always reclassify it as return of capital. Brokers will process a refund generally jan-march.

of the following year

[tidal storm]

Yeah

[zinc lichen]

EU is gona tax ppl on unrelised gains soon 🤡

[rotund hare]

its a small hit if you were to reinvest. e.g. 30% january haircut, feb, etc. but the closer you get the less it matters. e.g. june they only hold for 6 months

[rotund hare]

you know what to do

[tidal storm]

Reading on the specifics now what a beautiful scheme

[zinc lichen]

"AI" is helping with that immensely
1 is used to probe security everywhere
2 is used to crapy vibe code sl sec is getting worse
and 3
they fired the whole opsec department , to replace with "AI"

[rotund hare]

Exactly. really appealing.

i might just funnel wage income over to IBKR and leave crypto in crypto

[rotund hare]

cant do any worse then humans at this point

[zinc lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/shifting-moving-house-moving-out-gif-14371191

[zinc lichen]

can we buy in "on chain"?

ONDO needs to tokenise thaz

I made nice gainz buying some MSTR in the hole at 120

[rotund hare]

exactly

[rotund hare]

nope.

if you are buying STRC on chain u might as well buy bitcoin haha

i guess the difference is if you can wait the 3 years for bitcoin to go up

the thing i love about STRC is that he just keeps buying more bitcoin

sort of props itself up

[zinc lichen]

hmm, yea need to look in to it

[odd dawn]

I love that we’ve all basically pivoted back to tradfi

[zinc lichen]

until the next bull run starts

[cedar hound]

2043

Pre Musk UBI roll out and enforced robot curfew

[zinc lichen]

nah, mid/late next year

we are here

[cedar hound]

[tidal storm]

😂

[rotund hare]

tired of getting rugged

[odd dawn]

That’s why I’m buying SOL now 🙂

[somber grail]

Think we're going so much lower

This DEFI story hasn't even played out yet

So many entities will be hugely underwater

DEFI likely will create the actual bottom for alts

If there is a bottom and it doesn't just go to nothing 😂

[rotund hare]

maybe everyone rotates to BTC

[tidal storm]

Defi is all we had so maybe after this just Bitcoin survives and private bank chains plus hype for gambling

[cedar hound]

Defi is dead, honestly

You're gonna be able to take out mortgages with a bank using crypto... And even corporations running their own currency under the new bill.

It's like...A race to install the whackest dystopia

Wayland-Yutani, the future of society is just monopolies lol

[somber grail]

not great for alts though 😂

[somber grail]

sure but there's always a new narrative

memes are pretty dead

even this Asteroid Shiba has only ran to $160M with Elon tweets

bull market this would be 2B+

😂

[void quarry]

A hotel in Dubai being hit by a drone isn’t illegal because it’s war time intel, it’s illegal because it’s bad publicity for a country that relies on tourism, and foreign investments.