👽┃general

[topaz pine]

is Starcomm shitting on anyone else?

[torn crest]

Wasn’t the smoothest experience today for me

[topaz pine]

F5 is my friend again

[west slate]

yeah its been a mess since I got home from the convention on sunday

I think town hall + dow brought enough people back so that its now going to be a mess for a while

[patent iris]

@stray marsh

[odd needle]

Have there been issues connecting phantom to locker lately?

Haven’t collected in like two weeks or so but can’t seem to connect

Looks like an updated system

[limber steeple]

What error are you having fam?

[odd needle]

Just doesn’t seem to connect

[woven grail]

No option for Phantom

[limber steeple]

I was able to connect successfully. Can you try doing a hard refresh or clearing your cache and try again?

[limber steeple]

try doing a hard refresh. I can see Phantom in my view and connect successfully:

[odd needle]

Yeah I’ll try again

[static mason]

I don’t think?

Oh this was four hours ago my bad 😂

Been fine for me.

[west slate]

I had to swap mice around, the humidity somehow was messing with my pc mouse

[mellow sinew]

gm

[limber steeple]

gm, gm

[cinder stag]

where can i found

updated?

[limber steeple]

I believe that is still the one. just need to change the current as of date

but I am not privy on the last update date

[placid jungle]

Please let me know the progress of improving the Starcom response that the team has been fixing since a few days ago. 😦

[green dagger]

meep

[west slate]

econ should have it pinned

[golden rapids]

cn someone send me a game code ?

[placid cypress]

Everything working fine for me. What problems you're having?

[tepid kiln]

Gm SA people

[golden rapids]

gm

[primal plume]

GM all

[placid cypress]

Good morning Galia!

[limber steeple]

gm gm

[lime hatch]

hl

[errant quiver]

Hi, can someone inform the team, Carbon asteroids have no Carbon in their account https://solscan.io/account/E6ekCxTNyhnuzwp2BS5BUxx66ZE2pyBZ2L6id5grHmPm . Not possible to finish mining because of that

[drifting bison]

[desert beacon]

sent to FR, i would self destruct and mine something else in the meantime

[errant quiver]

Just informing, can wait until it gets resolved

[barren willow]

Hey guys, is this your first launch?

[placid cypress]

That's the same problem I'm having right now

[mortal lark]

PS nerf inc

[errant quiver]

And Electronics 😉

[placid cypress]

We want carbon!

[cold ledge]

electronics broken to?

[torn crest]

Gm

How much I love waking up to chaos

[errant quiver]

Nah, it just needs carbon 🙂

[elfin lark]

Hi. How or when can I get this code?

[cold ledge]

Pergamos

[cold ledge]

can you elaborate?

can you elaborate?

[elfin lark]

Thanks)

[topaz pine]

Does team know about Carbon?

[cold ledge]

maybe

[torn crest]

Yes

[torn crest]

You posted it on mod chat, thats all we can do for now

[cold ledge]

@cedar compass should be awake

but he probably cant do nothing since its a multisig if i remember right

[topaz pine]

ty ty

[placid cypress]

F***** hell, i wasn't even doing it, I went this morning to mining carbon. So we have to wait a few hours it seems?

[cold ledge]

a few yes like 2-3 when they usually wake up

[placid cypress]

Damn xianyang, should have stayed in pergamos

[cedar compass]

We're aware... awaiting multisig to replenish

[fresh frost]

https://tenor.com/view/alloallo-goodmoaning-alloallomeme-gif-9395752

[valid estuary]

Or Bluevael

[mental relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-baby-yoda-mandolorian-hello-gif-20136589

[torn crest]

Gm Brujo!

[mental relic]

Gm, 5:15 AM here, listening to the birds wake up

[torn crest]

Great sound to wake up to, not jealous though ☕

[mental relic]

I just recognized your nickname in the top 10, I hate those bots

[silent forum]

Thanks Suto for the heads up. I have a few fleets stuck there right now mining carbon in MRZ-22

[placid cypress]

I self destructed my fleet, but I forgot I would lose also ammo and fuel, not only the cargo 💸

[torn crest]

Oh yeah I had my few practice rounds before surge haha
With my old guild tag on though, can’t flex that anymore as a mod

[mental relic]

I'm excited about the latest townhall update and the possibility of playing mini-tournaments soon

[torn crest]

Cant wait to go on missions against npcs, hope its coming soon as well

[placid cypress]

The unforgettable 2624 Carbon crisis

[cold ledge]

@tall lava how many crisis we had, you never run out of lore if you continue like that

[serene willow]

...

[mental relic]

@cold ledge 👋

[cold ledge]

so how is the quimera restructuring going?

[mental relic]

Yea we are waiting for the next step in the DAC. In the meantime, I'm with my friend ChatGPT, trying to learn English so I can participate in a nearby Brew 😬 .

[cold ledge]

good good keep going

[fresh frost]

Shad!!!!

how are you my friend?

watching the cup?

[cold ledge]

austria wasnt actually to bad, even without alaba

[mental relic]

@fresh frost Do I know you from somewhere?

[cold ledge]

426fm

[torn crest]

Yoo Carlos!!

[torn crest]

Doing great thanks! How about you? Need a break from your political debate?

[torn crest]

As if I have a choice. My country would take my citizenship if I miss this

[fresh frost]

My wife would do the same to me.

Plus having a Welsh wife means we basically watch the cup to see England lose and celebrate while the crash down.

[torn crest]

Was a sad day. Being so good in group stage and then losing like that

[torn crest]

Spain has gained some loyal fans for the day

[fresh frost]

Other than Spain it's been a shit cup. Too much anti-football and cowardly coaches.

[mortal lark]

totally agree, modern football is quite boring

[torn crest]

The whole VAR stuff is still something to get used to, thats for sure

[errant quiver]

Just for fun if somebody likes to look at Asteroid accounts, to check if they are depleted:

Arco - BAPPWXEqf9GH5Cit52D9buW6rRs1bZa1KXs6hYb3RBzp
Biomass - A4pFQtsci52MBAuG738D9Cpsfw4fRm8csGSpJDYBRY9q
Carbon - E6ekCxTNyhnuzwp2BS5BUxx66ZE2pyBZ2L6id5grHmPm
Copper Ore - 6o1vbqwyynCzNU4irZE6GAQdGDSzBH9ZpUAb1Dh3Uiwu
Diamond - A3A1LxAvrjrdvai9N5iKoTsxYakLU4zxeUh7iZghveQw
Hydrogen - 3G2eKnZ4RCEsDSbNWLtXamqs2tgmF2BzAD4CCc4cYTwJ
Iron Ore - BAxFCH5pArr7V55vrEQGuEedauoDEtRAtb2QaEwmQ3EZ
Lumanite - 9yYKCUf41CLTeDQR8Ex4ymRoknURkpwSaNqW1HdAVUTE
Nitrogen - 9joMmNHHXdbnYxDBFop76SLBdch5fNciXFKwadZGvE8h
Rochinol - 87yeXPENkdDFCNsU9MCcAKyzUe8AnGPoZmSrbhQiHtC4
Silica - HRbrMLTXLTzEC9KR52sLuu7hrZcb2w1DYgXJQgDG3uBe
Titanium Ore - FRbYziFTUAeV61oi5mMcaHX7RmaZYAu6ZFEC3hJiqWTu

Those will most probably persist for this game ID

[mortal lark]

It's not even so much the VAR, it's like super uncommon nowadays to see teams make attacking plays, it's just non-stop back passing

[fresh frost]

They are doing slightly better. But sometimes is insane. Tha was not a penalty for Englan. It wouldn't be in any league.

[torn crest]

Whats your guys’ bet for the final?

[fresh frost]

Spain 3-0

https://tenor.com/view/bet-push-press-bets-betting-gif-17073187

[torn crest]

My bet is on spain as well. I think it will be a close one though

[fresh frost]

Woodgate is just a coward. He is above his league

Spain has no divas, it's a solid team

[mortal lark]

If Spain loses, then England got lucky

when I saw the 4 teams in the semi-finals, it was an easy bet to place that Spain would win the whole thing

[torn crest]

Spain kicking out germany and france, they earned it imo

[mortal lark]

France was garbage this year. Portugal should have beat them, tbh.

but yes, England had the easy side of the draw, no doubt

a Portugal vs Spain game would have made a much more entertaining semi-final than Spain vs France did

[cold ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-cheat-you-will-win-qotd-qoute-motto-nods-gif-8719402905451664636

[valid estuary]

The Team should create a Flipside tool and monitor the accounts on a daily basis and create and automated notification ping like Eveeye is doing it.

[torn crest]

My bet from the beginning was germany, just so I said it

[cold ledge]

thank you in the name of the german people 🙂

2026

cant wait

[errant quiver]

There are so many things the Team should do 😄

[cold ledge]

maybe we have pip1 by then to

[torn crest]

Or the community does it and as soon as a resource drops under a certain threshold we start harassing foundation room chat

[cold ledge]

they need to do the same they did on the dao, backup wallets

[fresh frost]

France played terrible football, but they were still a "really hard to defeat" team. They are extremely solid in the back and can kill you with one counter.

that was not an easy game

[cold ledge]

if one runs out the other kicks in

[desert beacon]

As that would be great!

[fresh frost]

and they humiliated Italy too

[desert beacon]

I’d check it often

[torn crest]

Kante looks at you the wrong way and you have nightmares for 2 weeks straight

[desert beacon]

Would be cool if it had green yellow and red indicators to make it quick to check

[fresh frost]

hey @desert beacon

[cold ledge]

italy has no good players besides donnaruma

[desert beacon]

Hey:)

[valid estuary]

Can be automated. I get an automatic notification for each SB on which i requested a notification. No humans needed just a bot.

[cold ledge]

and i thought he retired in saudi arabia

[desert beacon]

Can you do this for when your ship goes inactive for a while?

[errant quiver]

I don't think they want to create and fill that many accounts. There are asteroids, crafting recipies,... too many things that can deplete

[torn crest]

He started to feel bad for destroying so many plays in europe he needed to go somewhere more innocent

[fresh frost]

he was a pain in the ass in fifa 23

[cold ledge]

and all multisig to, you maybe right

[valid estuary]

Maybe we can talk to the SLY people if they can create an automation if a ship goes on error that a notification in windows will pop up 😉 Via the Browser

[fresh frost]

I hope we eventually get automation in-game

[desert beacon]

You and I both 🙂

[valid estuary]

Once the council is voted I will suggest a PIP to refund fees for self destruction due to exhausted resources. Im at 750 Atlas already 🤣

[tall lava]

Content creation at its finest

GM

[cold ledge]

content for you, anger management for me

[cold ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-good-morning-penguin-goodmorning-gif-5150594792614121323

[tall lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-farquaad-markiplier-deepfake-some-of-you-may-die-but-its-a-sacrifice-i-am-willing-to-male-gif-20850950

[mint crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-lol-laugh-laughing-bear-gif-26305470

[tall lava]

At least it’s Friday!

Let’s rejoice!

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-minion-gif-7683411564583763031

[serene willow]

Yeah... Let's make it our job to do their job. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[errant quiver]

Carbon account has been refilled, mining should work again

[desert beacon]

That was fast

[errant quiver]

It is friday this time, weekend would be way worse 🙂

[proud shoal]

Can you whales please slow tf down? I have 50 hours left on my installation. 😅

I think the upgrade projects are still a problem. Even with eveeye I still can't see when other jobs will be completed.

[modest vault]

that's never gonna finish just cancel lol

[mortal lark]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dont-let-your-dreams-be-dreams-go-for-it-claim-it-shia-la-beouf-gif-16079495

[heady shell]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-aloha-friday-gif-6165088

[faint prairie]

50 hours u may catch next tier upgrade

[proud shoal]

It'd be cool if the upgrading was done like mining. Being able to install partially completed jobs rather than having to wait until the entire job is complete before being able to install.

[modest vault]

But it isn't

It's shit but that's life

Having ability to block major chunks for people with 50k+ crew is part of the design

[proud shoal]

That doesn't make any sense. People with that much crew are getting those major chunks as it is. Not allowing partially completed jobs helps the whales imo. They don't have the time waste risk as smaller players do.

[mortal lark]

if you install less at a time, and do it more frequently, it has the same result, the cost is abit more micro, but it is possible

Never really a good idea to install a highly contested component that is going to take more than 24 hours, even 24 hours is risky enough

[modest vault]

I mean we are 4months in. You should know you can't do 3 day installs lol

[west slate]

honestly any upgrade project should cap at 20 hours less if its something being pushed quickly

[modest vault]

yeah I had 15hr install yesterday on 23M EMags with 100M+ available and barely got them in

😂

[mortal lark]

it is what it is

[modest vault]

also it's not really a feature that is painful

just do 8hr installs

[mortal lark]

I am generally never doing more than 8 hr upgrades

[west slate]

there are times when its safe

but you need to do it when its empty and the item is not one of the ones being pushed

[proud shoal]

I've done it before, easily on other components. Started this job at 6% completed I believe and didn't have much in the works. Seems that whales were able to get FS's completed super quick so they moved to RA's after that.

It's fine tho. Probably just gonna start maxing out on food and toolkit production instead of trying to upgrade bases.

[west slate]

yeah if your doing something like electronics when the station first flips

then a 3 day instal is like whatever

but anything that the whales are slamming 8hrs is a good max

[proud shoal]

Problem is, you can start a big job with little competition at the time, but whales can come in at any point and steal all the work.

The upgrading mechanics just suck for smaller players, but give whales major advantages.

[west slate]

you need to know the patterns

[mortal lark]

Hoping with fleet command they introduce some limiting factors when using so much crew, it is kinda dumb, IMHO

[west slate]

if your going to do big jobs in 1 go

[proud shoal]

It's baffling that we can't get new players. 😂

[west slate]

honestly that change is more likely with combat, it takes a lot more complex code to do partial crafts

[west slate]

again, the team is well aware that this is not the time to truly build the ecosystem

even with the dao it will take months before we are ready to give out money

ie months is enough time to get the gameplay features out that will be able to absorb new players

[proud shoal]

I'm over it really.

[west slate]

ie months to give out money then months before whatever project is given grants to actually get off the ground

[proud shoal]

Not gonna spend as much time in this iteration anymore.

Moving on to other things.

Just gonna set to auto mine and craft food and toolkits then dump them on bases from time to time.

[pulsar moat]

Gmgm Future Galia NPC shopkeepers😂

[slow meteor]

Crafting? upgrading? No, we just need to accept we're peasants, and go back to stacking dirt

"It is what it is" seems to be the mantra

https://tenor.com/view/peasants-monty-python-gif-24070330

[flat vessel]

Faction Fleet

[faint prairie]

i ve PIP ideas that can polis to 10usd but cant write to channel guys. sorry polis holders 🤷‍♂️

[lyric saddle]

That's some lovely filth

[slow meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hi-mark-tommy-wiseay-the-room-gif-27575841

oh hi, Dennis

[uneven umbra]

Hello helloooo

[mental relic]

@uneven umbra hi again 👋

[uneven umbra]

Brujitooo

Hows it going fam?

[mental relic]

Everything's good, enjoying this last workday

[pulsar moat]

We are already selling in the MP, all we need is to link our CREw as NPCs to sell in UE5, it's just a dream for now

Your a merchant not a peasant😂

[uneven umbra]

lol fair

[uneven umbra]

Glad to hear that! Any cool plans for the weekend?

[mental relic]

this

[uneven umbra]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[mental relic]

[uneven umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-rubbing-hands-smile-happy-plan-mischief-gif-11789692

[uneven umbra]

who are you going to support?

[mental relic]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-laughing-gif-1970148455793699119

But beyond the results, it promises to be a great match.

[uneven umbra]

yesss ser

colombia has a very good team

[slow meteor]

well, more than the econ state of affairs, at first it was all these DAO discussions that reminded me of the annoying "constitutional peasants" from that movie

[cold ledge]

did you see darwin fighting?

[uneven umbra]

hahahah yaaah 😂

connecting a few punches

[cold ledge]

crazy lol

[uneven umbra]

I saw a complete one in which he hit many hahah

let me look for it

[shut bramble]

GOOD MORNING!!!!

@warm tulip pew pew

@topaz pine thank you

@static mason 😂❤️

@patent iris 0/10

[warm tulip]

really? This is cheating beth

[shut bramble]

@uneven umbra stick!

[static mason]

Beth is such a bot 😂

[shut bramble]

I’m just a grateful person krigs4poop

[uneven umbra]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9SjHI-tq05/?igsh=bWk0a3d6MDJ0eXcx it looks like a tiktok video made by a kid but well, at least it looks good hahahah

[shut bramble]

@cold ledge hello my grandchild

[uneven umbra]

beeeeeeeeth

[cold ledge]

hi grandma

[uneven umbra]

farming huh?

[topaz pine]

no thank you.

[warm tulip]

wait Im poop now

ur a poop

[shut bramble]

No you are

[shut bramble]

What’s the sauce?

[topaz pine]

Vacation food.

[topaz pine]

I forgot

[cold ledge]

yeah i would not fight colombians for various reasons

[shut bramble]

AWWWWW

what whine are you drinking g

Wine

Drinking

@warm tulip

Pew

[uneven umbra]

yeah, if i were darwin i wouldn't visit colombia for a while ahahha

[uneven umbra]

oooo this looks nice bro

[topaz pine]

It was a Beaujolais called Flurry. Really epic.

[warm tulip]

I know where you live!

pew pew pew

[topaz pine]

Stickkkkkk

I'm in Annecy for a few days then Olbia for 8 days in Sardinia.

Expect more pics!

[uneven umbra]

Carlitoooos

[uneven umbra]

enjoying life huh? love it

[topaz pine]

currently lightning storms. whoops

[uneven umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/mufasa-friday-weekend-yeah-yeahhh-gif-22945290

[topaz pine]

Hell yeah. I need to find some balance with all the grinding.

[wispy widget]

wow this is so nice

[topaz pine]

Holiday work station. 🙏

[torn crest]

Yoo Bryan you're almost in the area 🇫🇷

[uneven umbra]

lool

[uneven umbra]

yeah, it is 100% necessary

[uneven umbra]

nice set up, crazy mouse ahhahah

[topaz pine]

man i go through mouses like crazy. this is my third logitech. MX master 3S. g902 and another really nice wireless all started breaking 😦

[topaz pine]

Are you close!?

[torn crest]

I travel a lot in between france and austria, Annecy is a place I pass through a lot. Last stop to fuel up and get a snack or something before entering switzerland and stuff gets crazy expensive

[topaz pine]

Ahhhhhh. This city is absolutely crazy beautiful. Why is it everywhere is better then the UK. 😂 We flew into Geneva and that place is also epic.

[torn crest]

Currently Im close to Montpellier, its not that close to Annecy

[torn crest]

Yeah its really beautiful there, very close to the swiss and french alps

[wispy widget]

lovely setup

[wispy widget]

man I fell in love with London so dunno what you're saying

Only place where I've been in the UK though

[versed sigil]

PLEASE VOTE NO on PIP-1 and PIP-2 (You can change your vote if you already voted.) #📜┃dao-chat message

[topaz pine]

PLEASE VOTE YES. TY 🙂 Want to make sure both voices are heard.

[topaz pine]

yeah im hauling around a little miniature ZenScreen that connects via a usb cable. for 2 monitors. best thing ive ever done

[uneven umbra]

lol

[uneven umbra]

a lot of gaming or normal daily use?

[topaz pine]

way more gaming before + normal use. probably just consistently 12 hour days. oh i guess when i put it that way the normal user is probably like 4 hours a week. haha...

[mighty holly]

Brace yourselves, a new atl is coming soon.. great opportunity to look back and ask "dang, why did I buy this shhhcoin again?" LMAO..

[topaz pine]

Sorry mate. Your post is simply wrong. "THIS IS THE ONLY SURE CHANCE WE HAVE TO CLAIM FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS FOR POLIS HOLDERS. " This is 1000% false. Any subsequent PIPS can change any previous PIPS. We can even fire the Star Atlas Foundation. The end.

[versed sigil]

Umm, with a PIP to bring to vote to fire the foundation ? hmm, thinking that through... Oh wait, foundation director doesnt approve the PIP 🙂

[topaz pine]

Swagner could shut down Star Atlas tomorrow too.

[versed sigil]

There's no reason to not give POLIS holders explicit rights in PIP-1 and PIP-2

[topaz pine]

The Foundations singular task is to carry out the will of the DAO. (per Dan). It legally cannot go against PIPs and polis voters unless there is an emergency, legal reason, or likely impossbility, etc. This is outlined in the Memorandum of Association and PIP1/2. If the director went against its own by-laws they could be fired, sued, etc. Just because its not explictlity spelled out for smooth brains doesnt make what you are saying any more true.

[shut bramble]

i'm not there right now! PEW BACK AT YOU

[shut bramble]

thats not nice

[shut bramble]

MOA PIP 1/2?

[topaz pine]

Just pointing out the absurdity 😛

[versed sigil]

I'm not convinced its that simple (Like what are the actual steps to fire them and can it actually be done). Concrete steps.

[topaz pine]

Of course it can be done. Just like any PIP. You would need to outline a plan to remove them, add a new foundation/party, list grievances, transfer of power, etc etc.

Funding would need to be approved as well.

but its just completely silly that this is what people are latching on to

[versed sigil]

Its basically asking them to fire themselves. And if they say no, how would that play out in Caymen island courts, assuming one could find the funding to bring a case ?

It needs to be simpler, more direct.

[topaz pine]

its fine to ask questions and discuss but launching a campaign because you want to know that you can ultimately fire them?

[topaz pine]

its easy. hire a lawyer

[versed sigil]

Dude, this is just about longevity of the DAO. POLIS holders need rights.

[topaz pine]

.... thats not how these things work

[topaz pine]

they have ALL OF THE RIGHTS.

they ARE the dao

[west slate]

the issue is there is no other way to do it regardless of what provisions we set up

[topaz pine]

obviously within the confines of rules and regulations

[west slate]

ie its ether if something happens the current foundation willingly steps down or we would need to take it to court

the set up ultimatly has 0 other possibilities

as the foundation handles all that type of stuff because there is nobody else to do it

[versed sigil]

Fine, then lets put those rights in writing in PIP-1 and PIP-2

[topaz pine]

alright gotta run. Star, if you still dont understand just reread everything i said!

[west slate]

if you read whats set up thats already there

ie dan did a whole thing on explaining that in gov chat

all these pips are effectivly to set everything up so we can start getting the structure we want set up

the foundation is administration only

[shut bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-scar-lion-king-gif-21540356

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-throw-away-gif-5375444

[brittle totem]

hi i just had a hydrogen sell order from long time ago and didnt realize. I did a 2nd sell order with another batch and then saw that the 2nd order wasnt listed although the txn went through. then i went to "my orders" and canceled both and now it looks like i lost 1 of the 2 batches
anyone had same issue?

[static mason]

Happens sometimes, isn’t really lost. Might take awhile to pop up. Maybe worth creating a ticket.

#ticket

[obtuse schooner]

When reward?

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/the-weeknd-abel-tesfaye-prince3236-vanity-fair-watching-gif-18133852731290805191

[uneven umbra]

reward?

what reward?

[uneven umbra]

nice candy

[static mason]

Made of peas

[uneven umbra]

wow

weird

but nice macros hahahahha

[static mason]

Woah pal, coming from a stick

[uneven umbra]

HAHA

I would eat it

I already eat some cans of peas a week

sooo

a few more, it won't hurt 😂

[static mason]

Wen releases Stick

Gib

[uneven umbra]

I think you will find more answers in breakpoint than in me 😂

sooo

https://tenor.com/view/d2-soon-smirk-smile-grin-gif-15460641

[static mason]

I’m at breakpoint RN bro

https://tenor.com/view/the-weeknd-abel-tesfaye-prince3236-vanity-fair-watching-gif-18133852731290805191

[uneven umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-from-the-future-who-are-you-where-did-you-come-from-time-travel-disenchantment-gif-15241214

[shut bramble]

STICK

@static mason are you going?

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-sad-frown-shrek-chris-rock-gif-815221826479749950

@warm tulip whatcha doin

[wispy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/yellbeth-beth-beeeeeth-shelly-gif-14584940

[shut bramble]

hi santi 🙂 hows your day goign?

[wispy widget]

going well! One last call today

yours?

[shut bramble]

i only had one call today 🙂 then going through tickets, zealy, and weekly reports

[wispy widget]

sounds familiar!

hehehe

[shut bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[shut bramble]

any fun plans for the weekend?

[uneven umbra]

BETH

[uneven umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/sunday-football-gif-18440173

but the one that is played with the round ball

[patent iris]

Are you going to eat zeros or tens this weekend?

[shut bramble]

hi sticky!!

[shut bramble]

Did you know that soccer comes from the English? It's from the Association English cup and then people started calling it Assoc , then added -er at the end, and the US already had american footbal so the term soccer was adopted

i saw this in an instagram video i have no proof that it's true

[shut bramble]

sir.

numbers are not edible.

[uneven umbra]

sh

https://tenor.com/view/handegg-nfl-gif-18043990

[patent iris]

They are. Just gotta make cakes in the shape of zeros or tens

[shut bramble]

it's my mom's birthday so i will be eating cake 🙂

[shut bramble]

LOL

@uneven umbra are you going to breakpoint?

[uneven umbra]

hahahaha

[uneven umbra]

happy birthday beth mom

[uneven umbra]

nope

and you?

[shut bramble]

why not?! make them send you!

[shut bramble]

yeah we are. hurry book your flights!

[uneven umbra]

lol I am still orange

[uneven umbra]

niceee

[valid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/pirateship-guinea-pig-guinea-pirate-guinea-pig-pirate-guinea-pirate-arr-gif-12452853

[shut bramble]

server settings > roles > edit TEAM > manage members > add members > + Stick

[uneven umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-no-perms-permissions-no-upload-gif-3602352192840072387

[uneven umbra]

[valid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rainbow-rainbow-rat-party-party-rat-gif-15295946645615339051

[shut bramble]

then hack into dom's account

[valid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-brooklyn-99-b99-detective-chief-gif-11992137206915222591

[uneven umbra]

wow

sounds like a good idea to me

[shut bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-dog-happy-gif-13976730166168585553

DOM CAN WE HAVE YOUR PASSWOR

D

[uneven umbra]

HAHA

[halcyon wigeon]

how to join the testing of the game?

I mean how to redeem a PRE-ALPHA ACCESS KEY ?

[torn crest]

Download the epic games launcher and redeem it in your profile

[halcyon wigeon]

okay, thanks! And how to get this access key?

[torn crest]

X6RYT-V564P-BGM6U-4Q3E8

Have fun!

[warm tulip]

lol I was writign reports

[shut bramble]

What are you reporting?

[warm tulip]

On the movements of terrorist groups through the combat zone

[fresh frost]

Oh we thought it was something important, nevermind

[shut bramble]

Where are they moving?

[warm tulip]

nice try

[shut bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeeeeeee-playing-cute-happy-smile-gif-17307610

[patent iris]

She could weaponize her cooking and send some to them

[warm tulip]

i dont think they eat sushi

[halcyon wigeon]

yaay, thanks!! will play it the whole weekend! thanks!

[halcyon wigeon]

is it possible to get another one for my husband?

[halcyon wigeon]

he is also very interested in this game)) once I told him I even bought some tokens )

[torn crest]

U2WW6-TNQDY-9YJAZ-8SN89

Let me know if your grandma wants to join in as well

[halcyon wigeon]

heh) I hope she could))

Both worked, thank you!

can't wait!
nvidia geforce rtx 3080 8gb - it wil be tasty))

[shut bramble]

My dog wants to play

Hi @halcyon wigeon !

[halcyon wigeon]

heya)

[torn crest]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-gif-25362446

Tell your dog to DM me

[shut bramble]

NO DMs he might think you’re a scammer

[carmine pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-tapper-jake-tapper-crickets-jake-tapper-silence-jake-tapper-awkward-silence-jake-tapper-crickets-sound-gif-19772089

[limber steeple]

#📊┃economics channel is buzzing though

[modest vault]

Is it safe in North Korea tonight

[copper fjord]

Is it ever safe in NK?

[carmine pelican]

Appreciate that, I didn't have the channel "added". Got bored rapidly though...they were talking about compressed cylinders. lol

full of gas. and such. hahaha

Hydrogen fuel cells are the perfect propulsion but it's to expensive at scale. etc. 😉

in reality it's not fitting to capitalism, but whatever. lolol

[grave scroll]

Will a nvidia 4060 be enough to play surge and the 3d hame

[west slate]

should be

[worn spire]

what is there to actually do in this game?

doesnt look like much no offense :/

i dont mean in the future

[cold ledge]

the unreal engine 5 version in the epic games launcher has various game modes to test

[worn spire]

is there anything to collect and sell etc?

[cold ledge]

the browser game has a full economy on chain with extracting and crafting loops

[worn spire]

or progression?

[cold ledge]

in ue5 not yet, hopefully later this year, we had a an event there with airdrops, but nothing at the moment, to earn you need assets and play the browsergame

[worn spire]

where can i buy assets?

and how do i play the browser game?

[cold ledge]

!guides

[sour hearth]

Here are some great community created guides that can help you get started with Star Atlas!

• https://intergalacticherald.com/star-atlas-guide/
• https://aephia.com/star-atlas-guides/
• https://galiacrafters.medium.com/star-atlas-101-i-have-20-what-can-i-do-3e9c72e421d2
• https://hologramnews.com/star-atlas-guides/

[cold ledge]

its super complex for newcomers, before buying anything watch some guides #📺┃content-creators

[cold ledge]

https://play.staratlas.com/

[sinful gyro]

What is brew code of g7

[cold ledge]

Pergamos

[round storm]

Admin, about the crew packs? Will we make it by September?

[cold ledge]

i wish i knew, i only can refer to the latest townhall regarding that

[mental relic]

👋

[lyric saddle]

GM

[cold ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meowing-furretlover187-gif-26124827

[round storm]

In the TH they said 'very soon, sooner than you think'.
Now we know that sooner than you think means 20 days minimum in the team's vocabulary.
I wonder how much is soon then, 6 months?

[topaz pine]

Bonjour!

[granite dome]

Oh no

🧹🧹🧹

@cold ledge @uneven umbra @torn crest

[uneven umbra]

[granite dome]

The bot need to have a upgrade, some links are not being detected.

[cold ledge]

we on it

[torn crest]

salut beau gosse

[placid cypress]

Good morning beautiful people of Galia! Keep building everyone, especially oni and ustur, so we can destroy something 😂

[grave sigil]

Gmgm

[vapid nebula]

the botton to buy stakes doesnt work,Star atlas,dont you want my money?

It's not nice to want to buy an asset on the market,only to find out that star atlas doesnt Always work

[cold ledge]

not sure whats your issue there which wallet you use?

[vapid nebula]

I use Phantome, I've been on Star Atlas for 4 years, the button doesn't work

[cold ledge]

i think that one is actually bugged out

i tried to click the buy it wont work, will report that to the team

the other ones work somehow, this one is bugged

[vapid nebula]

thank you, it is important that the market works well, for example now I will lose the participation fee on the stake because of others, and I will not be able to buy that stake at that price, please, it is as if the market does not want the money

[cold ledge]

will investigate, thx for the report

[lyric saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-patiently-on-you-i-am-bored-cat-coffee-chillin-gif-17891167

[cold ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pilot-pilot-tanja-norn-air-force-air-battle-gif-4287020716317986210

[lyric saddle]

You should adopt a senior cat 🐈

They're so chill

[whole helm]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-cat-moon-cats-moon-cat-rescue-gif-26399117

[mighty shale]

game7 code ??

[cold ledge]

Pergamos

[mighty shale]

Thanks buddy

[carmine pelican]

Edge of Paradise still craftable/redeemable?

[jade iron]

Hi fellas where can you see your fleet nft portfolio . I was using step but it does not detect the nfts for some reason anymore.

[cold ledge]

i use https://atlas.eveeye.com/?stats=factionLP&cat=lpxp portfolio top right after you added your address

[cold ledge]

good question i think its still there cant check dont have enough carbon

[valid yoke]

If the quantity was out I think it wouldn't be in the list

[spiral ravine]

When is the Honeyland airdrop happening for NFT holders that crafted?

[cold ledge]

i have no updates about this sorry, will ask the team.

[carmine pelican]

Honeyland is still there though for you? It is for me and I'm certain that one is over. (Craftable wise)

[hallow sundial]

Would also like to know

[cold ledge]

yeah i asked in team chat when i get an answer i will try to tag you

[hallow sundial]

Thank you

[cold ledge]

what you gaming @tall lava stream that life and suffering thing for me

[tall lava]

Haha sorry I didn't see your message friend

it is actually a very interesting game

text based

where you make choices and the story changes according to your decisions

[patent iris]

Yes - there was 25,000 available

[carmine pelican]

Cool cool cool. Thanks bro. I Think I'll craft one then! 🍻
Same as maxhog? Craft, then export to create the NFT?

[gentle lodge]

Anyone know where/if there are folks trading Superphoenix cubes? I know the mint is over... just wondering if there is a market where those are being sold/traded?

[patent iris]

There's still 24,536 available.

Yes craft like a Hog

[west slate]

wow I would have thought more people would have crafted by now

<@&809877248572260394>

[feral hemlock]

Does anyone know if there is a guide to help with connecting ones "Ledger" [L] to the character in sage labs?

[cold ledge]

you use sly?

dont take any direct messages, scammers/impersonators watching

[valid yoke]

I don't know I haven't looked. I was too busy crafting an EX to bother with the Honeyland recipe for a piddly gen 1 egg 😛

[carmine pelican]

Lol nice and same. (Except MaxHog for me)

[deft walrus]

what's the discord for StarAtlas buy/sell ?

[cold ledge]

i dont have the link at hand, maybe @desert beacon or @dark seal can invite you

[cold ledge]

@atomic bramble are they on tensor?

[atomic bramble]

Magic Eden for now, working on Tensor too afik

[carmine wave]

Hey guys, you should watch The Foundation on Apple TV if you like Star Atlas. Totally inspiring and similar to the open world Star Atlas is creating.

A community watching event would be awesome haha ❤️

[cold ledge]

season 2 let me down a bit, but its a nice series

you should try the books of asimow, foundation has a ton of books

[west slate]

yeah just read the books

[cold ledge]

its really not that bad, apple has a few good tv series

[west slate]

oh apple nvm then

thought it was amazon, still likely the books are better

ie the only thing I know of that amazon got right was fallout

[cold ledge]

well foundation series has a ton of books, probably enough to fill a year of reading 🙂

[west slate]

lol I think it took me months

[cold ledge]

expanse had its moments

[west slate]

ok I can give it that, but amazon has a bad track record overall

ie their mmo thing was a bust etc

[cold ledge]

yeah lots of mediocre stuff

i need something to watch or maybe rewatch

house of dragons and acolyte atm

[west slate]

lots of stuff amazon got their hands on and messed up big time, wheel of time, the simarilian stuff etc

[cold ledge]

not much going on

any suggestions

[west slate]

haven't been watching anything lately

[cold ledge]

did severance season 2 start?

[west slate]

not sure, I don't have any streeming services so its all piracy for me if I bother

[cold ledge]

wait january it says on imdb

i thought it already started dam

[west slate]

yeah its a dead time, need more sa gameplay stat

but thats in what 2 months ish now

I mean I'm lucky right now I like smt games and don't have any nintendo consoles so I'm bussy for a bit

then there is elden ring + backlog

[cold ledge]

i started shadow of the erdtree

but my gaming buddy isnt there, we usually play hotseed who dies must give the pad away

it makes it a bit easier

alone its brutal

[west slate]

yeah

I still have 1 more boss to get to before I can bother

plus a bit more level grinding

so its going to be a bit for that

[cold ledge]

i actually did not start a new game plus on both my characters

so i have a lvl 168 or domething to roll

[west slate]

yeah I have been slow on it myself

still low

too much court stuff so could not focus on it

[cold ledge]

yeah its tough to find concentration

i prefer playing strategy games atm

[west slate]

yeah I need something that won't break when I need to manage my fleets

thats the biggest issue right now

means no fallout nv or 4 too

[cold ledge]

mmh snowpiercer season 4 starts next week

its better than nothing i guess

[stray marsh]

What is that on

[cold ledge]

netflix

[slow meteor]

rewatch all the Ghost in the Shell video animation movies

[white carbon]

I am trying to understand what I get in economic return for contributing food to get the MUD CSS. I know my crafting works faster and I get LP that can convert to Atlas but nowhere nere the cost of the food. What am I missing in the economics?

[desert beacon]

Upkeep is a cost of doing business

[slow oriole]

it kind of got boring after season 1, I just sticked around to the end. But they just kept hopping trains back and forth, and bringing in some detective drama for no reason. But i'll try to watch it if I won't forget. Usually there are some notable images/moments you can remember from the series, but here it's mostly from the movie.

[worthy galleon]

Depending what size fleet and number of workers you have, it can be more profitable, selling your Food on the marketplace.
LP earning is more for the Large to Whale type players.

[vague dune]

gives whales a way to sell in bulk allowing market to stablize some

[deft walrus]

Hi 👋, can I get the invite to the star atlas trade discord?

[vague dune]

oops ment that to also be a reply to qest

how does cooldown work for SDU's? It seems to add all my ships cooldowns together

[desert beacon]

Sent in dms

[white carbon]

I would agree if I owned the CSS with that statement but I do not own the CSS and get profits from others that use the CSS when I pay for the upkeep. I have a large fleet including Commander, Capital, and Large ships. I have them all running around and several hundred other ships (medium and lower) that I bought at VWAP prices back in the day that I thought would go in the hangars. Those people from those ships are all crafting. I really am frustrated with the lack of documentation on how things including the economy actually work. I could make all my ships and all my staff mine and craft food and I think I would lose a fortune because I would have to buy ammo and fuel. I am saying what are the economics here. I am not sure if I am a whale or not. I purchased with USDC over $250k of ship the first couple months of the launch directly from SA (not the secondary market). Today the fleet which includes others bought on the secondary market couldn't begin to handle the "upkeep".

[desert beacon]

Basically large players foot the bill for upkeep, they benefit from larger margins (as a larger player) and convenience of not having to move.. smaller players have to follow larger players or at the very least collaborate with others to maintain upkeep. They benefit from paying less upkeep, but they have a disadvantage of having to follow the larger players around in order to do so. This can be inconvenient.

[white carbon]

I don't get the economics. So I just contributed 1,000,000 food to the MUD CSS which is worth 1,300 to purchase right now. I got 6,000,000 LP which in just over an hour will go to zero and I will get hopefully if nobody else contributes 600 Atlas for my 6,000,000 LP. Why don't I jut offer my food for half price and kill the market?? I would get actually get more Atlas by cutting the market in hald (i.e. 650 Atlas)??? what am I missing.

[desert beacon]

If upkeep cuts into your margin to an unacceptable amount then I would suggest teaming up with others or using eveeye to track larger players and follow them around

[desert beacon]

Upkeep is a cost of doing business not a profitable mechanic

The only reason to upkeep as a solo player is if you have a game loop that requires upkeep that has enough margin to pay said upkeep fees

[mortal lark]

<@&809877248572260394>

[vague dune]

I promise you 1M food will not kill the market. I too put a bunch of resources into LP once, then seen what the value of LP was, and based on that I can do a little research and make better decisions, and it turns out, I also use the market now..

understanding the economics, takes time and research. Start looking at each thing you can sell on the market, find out what it takes to get them, and what all you can do with them. Then you'll be able to make a choice that better fits what you want

[white carbon]

I was just asking because I imagine whales are not ever going to play the game. A person that can buy a $5M virtual space ship is not sitting around playing a game like this. If he can make it give him a decent capital return then he can have a tech guy help him automate the return. I am just a guy who has done well in crypto and owns several tech companies as well. I do enjoy playing games from time to time and believe in this space and in SA in particular. I am just asking because as a businessman, I want the economics to work so SA can one day live on its own economically.

[vague dune]

Right now you can't buy resources and profit off of it very easily. It's actually very difficult. If you want any profits at this stage you need to play the game

mining, and crafting is way more profitable than buying and reselling or crafting with bought resources

the ONLY people profiting from buying / selling are the ones that are buying it then selling it for the gap which is low and you have to always make sure you undercut everyone so it's also annoying

[desert beacon]

It is profitable for whales you just have to factor in upkeep as a cost of doing business. If that reduces your margin too much then you just have to follow a larger player around and bigypack off his upkeep or team up with others to split the fee

[vague dune]

😂 exactly what I did

still do for crafting

[white carbon]

It isn't rocket science but if you kill the whales, you kill the ecosystem in the long run. I don't know who bought those four $5M ships but they will not be playing the game. A guy who puts down that kind of money when every other ship is worth 20% of its VWAP... they have a LOT of disposable income and live in a house worth SIGNIFICANTLY more than $5M.

[vague dune]

the whales in this case are generally the ones running around with commanders and multiples of them

I mean I have no commanders and getting 25M LP was pretty easy. but just not worth it for me. So now I'm just farming and selling. and still do okay

[uneven umbra]

[vague dune]

if I can make 1000s of Atlas without commanders, those with them will be doing much better than me which is why the LP pool goes so high. If I put a lot into it I could probably even hit 100M but I feel like the gain isn't worth the effort. Someone who farms 50M of a resource and doesn't want to sell it on the other hand would be much better off going the LP route

[desert beacon]

I can assure you that players who spent millions are playing

[vague dune]

well then, that will definitely boost the LP and give them a reason to do that while the rest of us stick to the markets

[white carbon]

I don't come here much because of work and travel but I purchased around $150k of ships in the first wave, buying direct from SA. Because I was in at the beginning, the returns were high from those ships and I bought others in the secondary market that I thought would be in those ships hangars. The C11 has massive hangars which were listed in the details the first year or two. I turned those profits to buying mediums including F4s, Oms, Evacs, and smalls including X6s, Earps, and Chis. I bought 40 smalls for the C11. In that first purchase I bought a Guardian as well and used profits over time to purchase a Compact Hero that is supposed to fit in its hangar that is no longer in the details of the Guardian. I also bought an vaulted a boatload of Polis back the early days. I was not spending money on a game but what I believe and still beleive is an virtual economy in a game. I am just saying becuase I think I am between a gamer and a whale. The economics for a whale or a person who one day aspires to be a whale have to work for the whale.

Thinking in real whorld economics. If say a country made a progressive tax like say England did back the 70s where they charged 83% to their "whales". The whales leave. The whales are the ones with capital to start businesses and provide jobs. If this economy is to work we need LOTS of whales here who can make money by investing their money into the economy. My question is if LP is for whales, and we want them and their capital. What do we do for them to make them want to put in their capital? Right now there is only one whale that is making money in SA and that is ATMTA. Great they are a whale and they should get a return on their capital. But something is wrong with this economy if we are not providing a way for other whales to get a return on their capital.

[mortal lark]

Current APR is close to 100%, so I think that is pretty good return.

[vague dune]

Keep in mind, Atlas is still being distributed. It's difficult for an economy to settle when you are still printing money. However, there is a limited amount of Atlas, so once distribution is over, that's where it will really stand out. Only way to get Atlas then, is from others. So real transactions will start to happen. There will also be more sinks etc as the game progresses. With values getting lower slowly is inevitable in this stage of the game. I firmly believe once things are released and distribution is done value will start to increase quite a bit.

[west slate]

actually no, atlas will continue to be printed as long as we need to (4% per year assuming we don't change that), the issue here is lack of gameplay loops to absorb it

[vague dune]

that and a much higher than 4% going out. lol so both valid and make for a lower market. Both will be fixed in due time

unless it is 4% now.. I don't remember lol haven't read the papers since the beginning and forget most of the numbers 😂

[west slate]

no we are still in intial distro phase

[vague dune]

I thought so

[west slate]

still its way too early to say what will happen

we need more development etc first

[vague dune]

so yea flooding and next to no sinks. eventually it will flip and all will be good. take advantage of the lows while they are here

[west slate]

also note there is a ton that could have been distroed that was not

so odds are it extends the actual distro time

[vague dune]

yea no guarentees. But I invested in this project because it sounded like the best move at the time. Their progress isn't exactly bad at all considering the quality of the game and how long one of that size usually takes I feel like they are making great strides

[vague dune]

that makes sense

[white carbon]

What are the LP economics? I am not trying to be annoying. Why introduce LP if they will change later to work better or actually have a functional use? I think you guys are probably in the know. I rarely come and ask questions. Maybe there is a reason. I just think they should have one big game manual and not all the information being spread over discord, the SA website (the roadmap there is ancient), and a links section in discord with some 40 links of which a person like me just asks becuase I do not have the time to read over all kinds of information much of which is no longer valid.

[patent iris]

@stray marsh

[west slate]

lp was always going to be a thing, starbased is just another test phase to make sure stuff works

[limber steeple]

scammers all over .. be careful fam

[vague dune]

your LP divided by the total LP at the end of the day multiplied by 2,050,500 (I think)

so basically each faction gets 2mil per day and it's distributed by LP contribution

I didn't read it anywhere so I'm not completely sure, I'm just assuming

yep can confirm

[desert beacon]

Lp I here to stay. Minor tweaks only. The purpose is to bolster factions that are lacking. Primarily when combat comes out. The dominant faction will be diluted while the faction being dominated will have the opposite effect

[vague dune]

yea still lots of mechanics to add. Need racing, fight, bombing, bounty hunting and transporting, those are the all ships really lacking anything right now giving mining, freight, and data ships a dominating advantage at the moment

[west slate]

nah there is the lp store and what not, so rather major tweaks down the pipe

honestly lp may be used in ways to help mitigate tx costs for ue5 and what not as well

[desert beacon]

Besides an lp store what other changes are down the pipe?

[west slate]

the store will require some rather significant changes

they have been talking about how to impliment them so no real clue as of yet

[desert beacon]

We don’t have any information on that. The team has told us that the lp will be auto redeem, and will split atlas inflation three ways relatively equally.

None of that will change

Most likely

[west slate]

yeah, thats the forseable future

[vague dune]

any tweak to it would have to be a big tweak to allow it to stay as it's just a converter at the moment and has no future value once the day ends

[desert beacon]

That what I mean when I say there won’t be major changes

[desert beacon]

Theres no plans to depreciate lp

[west slate]

yeah to work as a store currency there will need to be changes, may even be a seprate pool or what not

but the current mechanic is not going anywhere any time soon

[vague dune]

yea as it just goes poof at the end of the day right now it would need pretty big changes to be of any value to the majority

[west slate]

no it still tracks, but I do think there will be a reset pre store

ie reset in the global sense not the epoch sense

[vague dune]

what do you mean it still tracks?

[west slate]

our global count is still being tracked it always has been

[vague dune]

once the epoch ends it's my understanding it is converted to atlas and that's it, the LP is consumed

[west slate]

its not displayed on our end most places

[vague dune]

I was told by the mods that it's consumed, which generally means gone

[west slate]

yes as far as what we can use, what we have aquired is still tracked

ie the game knows how much we got total

[vague dune]

that would mean it's not consumed as it's just moved to a total

[west slate]

it just has 0 use to us

its consumed as far as we are concerned

[vague dune]

that's not really correct. If it tracks the total and that total will have a use than that's a massive difference

[west slate]

the total is likely going to be wiped before the store is out

[vague dune]

when they say it's consumed and will have no other use. that tells me there is 0 reason for me to get it. If the total has a use then it might be worth getting

[west slate]

so therefore it has no use

[vague dune]

okay so consumed with no future use lol

if after a complete wipe total has a use, that's a different story completely

basically if nows total has a value whether it be now or future, that should be stated as it might be a deciding factor for some to contribute or not

[west slate]

honestly with all the massive rebalances etc the totals are too high to make that work

so its wipe

[vague dune]

I mean I think that would be the best way to do it. But things don't always work out in a way that makes sense in my experiance lol

[west slate]

combats a new game id so the wipe part would be easy

[vague dune]

teams been pretty good about trying to balance things though, so you're most likely correct

combats going to be a lot of fun to play with

[west slate]

ie exp is the only thing that should carry over

[vague dune]

oh I forgot about xp fuck

I want to switch to a ledger... but my xp will go poof no?

also anyone know if a ledger is transferable? given it's a usb device, they can get wear and tear, which is as big a concern as security if you can't move it

[west slate]

dono for long term

short term yes

honestly just switch

the longer you wait the harder it will get

[desert beacon]

you can move it to a ledger but that completely defeats the purpose of a ledger

if you have more than your willing to loose in assets you should buy a ledger and start over, if your ok with loosing everything then by all means use an unsecured hot wallet

[west slate]

if it was only on a ledger moving it to another ledger is fine

[vague dune]

apparently ledgers also have recovery phrases? albeit 24 words instead of 12

[desert beacon]

yes they use the same seed phrase tech, its just the hardware is secure

unlike a pc

but if the seed is already on your pc then that seed will be hot forever

you can make a cold seed hot but you cant make a hot seed cold

[vague dune]

makes sense. Well that's annoying lol

anyone have recomendations on model?

best to rip the bandaid off now rather than when it's really stuck

[desert beacon]

just compair how annoying it would be to loose all your assets vs migrating to a ledger.

[desert beacon]

ledger x

[vague dune]

exactly my thoughts

[desert beacon]

or the keyst.one

the keystone is better imo

but you cannot spam tx like you can with a ledger

thats the only thing thats better with ledger is signing many tx fast. the keystone does everything else better

if you dont have a tonne of fleets id go with keystone

[vague dune]

what are some of the things it does better?

[west slate]

security

ledger messed with its security

[desert beacon]

it cheaper, it has three seeds not one, it has no bottons (the ledger buttons break) its airgapped so its more secure, and it hasnt made a bunch of stupid mistakes, namely the ledger backup which is effectivly a potential backdoor

its touch screen

boimetric

gives more data when signing a tx

[vague dune]

so how does the tx process work on both?

[desert beacon]

lits goes on

[vague dune]

just a button on ledger?

[desert beacon]

the keystone you use with solflare, the extention generates a qr code. you scan that with the device, then it displays a qr code you scan with your computer

[west slate]

does keystone work with sol defi?

[desert beacon]

thats why its not ideal for spamming tx

[vague dune]

oof, that's quite the process for sure

[desert beacon]

yess ledger you click the right button three times and then both buttons together

[desert beacon]

yea, but if you use profile you rarely use it

but its worth considering

[west slate]

hmm so grab a keystone to seperate out defi from sa

[desert beacon]

it works with anything that uses solflare

[desert beacon]

yea that what i use them for

ledger for sa

[vague dune]

profile? like the new vault + hotwallet?

[desert beacon]

keystone to have up to three isolated defi wallets on the same device

you just use a differnt pin to open each account

[west slate]

I have been wanting to move stuff out of my sa wallet for a while

[desert beacon]

yes

[vague dune]

not 100% sure how that works but the hotwallet is like a wallet with permissions for specific tx on your behalf?

[desert beacon]

that reduced the hardware wwallet signatures

[low loom]

Trump just got shot

[desert beacon]

only have to sign on device when importing exporting, or self destructing

or using the marketplace

[vague dune]

well if that's the case keystone is an easy choice

[desert beacon]

yes its integrated in game

[desert beacon]

yea specially if you have a smaller fleet

[low loom]

Through the back of his left ear...

[desert beacon]

then you have the added benifit of being able to make 2 other cold wallets seeds on the same device so its basically like 3 ledgers for less than the price of one ledger

oh you do have to scan your fingerprint too to sign

but thats fast

the hard part is holding it up to the camera

[vague dune]

ummm my pc doesn't have a cam lol

[desert beacon]

you can use a webcam, or maybe even your phone as a webcam (i would check that before buying)

[vague dune]

I mean I can still buy it a cam for a comp isn't exactly difficult lol if I can't figure that out I have no business being here

does the keystone require a microSD? I see they give the option to bundle one

[carmine pelican]

Facts. I'm enjoying catching up on this convo.

[vague dune]

😂 sometimes that can take a while

[valid estuary]

HL & SA Badge should have been dropped.

[carmine pelican]

You talking wipe of council LP as it pertains to the LP store?

[west slate]

yeah

its been more or less stated (forget where) that the current numbers are way too out of hand

[carmine pelican]

Effectively degrading it's original design philosophy...but I digress. 😂

[west slate]

yep we know

but honestly the ledger is still the better cold wallet for sol when it concerns games

due to it being able to be direcetly connected etc

[carmine pelican]

Yeah! Just caught up to this. Lol

[desert beacon]

I does not require it

[carmine pelican]

Noice! Star Atlas colab in Honeyland discord was asking... Corey said about a week. He needs to learn 426 statement?

[vague dune]

I mean other games maybe, but with staratlas having the internal hotwallet, does this not negate the need to have it remain connected?

[west slate]

ok so about that, the hot wallet is actually part of the entire player profile set up that they are working on, meaning that its very much in development and prone to breaking at times

[carmine pelican]

Agreed. Council LP SHOULD be wiped for LP store, once the LP "savings" went away. UNLESS, they limit sales of items per wallet, inside the store.

[west slate]

however it also eventually means that there will be no need to actually manage our assets via a ledger or other hardware wallet

[west slate]

I mean there is likely going to be other changes but I see a wipe as more or less a given at this point

[vague dune]

well to a degree. The internal will only ever be a small extension of your personal wallet for obvious reasons, so external wallet will always be needed. But tx will be few and far between for very specific edge cases

[west slate]

yeah like actual sale of the asset

for the most part

[carmine pelican]

Sure, psychology beliefs upon security...DOES matter! 😉 Especially for marketing

[vague dune]

@west slate what are you using for a wallet right now?

[west slate]

ledger

but mostly lower tech ledgers

ie no blue tooth or what not

[vague dune]

how about you @carmine pelican ?

bluetooth on the ledger from my understanding has 0 risk as it only transfers yes and no's not your priveate key

well maybe not 0, because nothing is 0

[west slate]

the catch is the lower end ledgers are less likely to work with the "feature" that can leak your seed

[vague dune]

the fact you have to worry about leaks with any ledger is a concern for me

[west slate]

its still more secure then a hot wallet

[valid yoke]

The leak is only possible if you decided to utilize the backup option through the "verified" company that offered it

Can't really call it a leak

[vague dune]

can't argue that lol. hmmm I have keystone in a cart, but am ultimately undecided which to choose just yet

[west slate]

yeah still it implies a back door

[vague dune]

lol a company offered it? That would be a hard no for me if anyone offered...

[valid yoke]

All it was, was basically people storing their key with someone else in case they forgot it..... For lack of a better word

[vague dune]

"hey guy, we're verified, give us all your secrets"

[valid yoke]

That is a way dumbed down explanation of what it was

But that is the basic gist

[west slate]

yeah I know what it is, and it would be hard for a hacker to actually use that back door so not worried, its still there though

[valid yoke]

People just forget to point out it was only a specific use case where it could even be an issue

[carmine pelican]

I hear ya, but it would yet...be another hit to trust imo. Limiting XP expenditures IS acceptable imo, but wiping earnings, because a player believed what the team says...would be another hit to confidence.

[valid yoke]

Figured I'd chime in and at least point it out 🙂

[vague dune]

yea, but as soon as you give your key to a 3rd party you are essentially exposing it. Alls it takes is 1 shady employee, or they fail in their own security, etc.. I'd rather just throw it in a safety deposit box, or bury it lol

[west slate]

its not wiping earnings though

[valid yoke]

Just making sure you understood where the issue was

[west slate]

as lp is auto redeemed

[valid yoke]

Otherwise Ledgers are solid

[vague dune]

yea, that makes a big difference. That means the ledgers themselves weren't an issue. It was people giving their keys away lol

[valid yoke]

Sort of, but yes

Like I said I watered it way down

[vague dune]

in a very dumbed down version I mean

[valid yoke]

To make it easier to understand

[carmine pelican]

I'm not a huge tech guy...I can't code or hack...with that being said, I don't believe in introducing attack vectors unnecessarily.

[valid yoke]

Exactly

Don't open doors you don't want people to walk through

It's as simple as that

[west slate]

exactly, I undersand enough of the tech to know there is a vector and what features to flat out ignore, also its not something that could go through a normal transaction

so its not like what I am doing is any less secure then it was

[vague dune]

100% if you're going to go cold wallet, backing anything up online seems like it would defeat the purpose..

[carmine pelican]

At the lowest base level...all computers utilize logic (0s and 1s or highs and lows). There are other means like quantum computing and the like, however traditional computing power is strictly based upon binanry code.

It all derves from 0s and 1s as we know it today

[valid yoke]

Even quantum still technically operates on a universal version of binary

[vague dune]

what I meant by that is the traffic from bluetooth ledger has no risk of leaking your key as it's not transfered. If someone was to get all the data being transfered between your ledger via bluetooth it would be the same data they can accesss publically

[valid yoke]

Correct

The issue would come from if you stored your key on the bluetooth device

[vague dune]

yea, the ONLY place you can store your seed is in the physical world in a place no one else can get it. Also your priveate key should never EVERY leave your cold wallet for any reason

[valid yoke]

Also someone could technicall ysend a transaction via bluetooth and if you somehow accidently confirmed it that could cause an issue as well

[carmine pelican]

It's why I use trezor

[desert beacon]

The problem is for years they said that the seed cannot be transferred out of the device. That the hardware doesn’t have the ability to do so. And then they said surprise! With a firmware update now your device can send the seed to some company

[vague dune]

personally I tend to encrypt my seed phrases with my own made up cryptography, may be crude, but if people don't know what they are looking for it's difficult to decrypt

[valid yoke]

I get it 🙂 I was jsut explaining it in a simple manner for the guy who wasn't aware

I didn't feel like finding the right way to explain that like you did

[carmine pelican]

It's an attack vector that shouldn't be there..imo. 😅

[desert beacon]

It’s a trash idea anyways.

If the gov requires those companies to give them your seed they have to give it

[valid yoke]

Thats' what I keep telling people

Nothing is safe

If they can't find yer stuff when they demand it they'll just lock you up and you can't get to it anyways lol

World is totally effed

[vague dune]

yea, that's why I wouldn't ever give it to anyone no matter how "secure" they appear to be.
They are big, so they are already a target for govs, hackers, anyone.. It will never be as secure as what you yourself can do (as long as you don't write it on a piece of paper and throw it in a drawer then call it a day.. That's bad)

[carmine pelican]

What do you mean...a 2ndary party could be hacked or compromised? No..say it ain't so. 😆

[valid yoke]

Get it etched in metal and bury that sheet

😛

[vague dune]

keystone offers near indestructable tablets for that lol

[carmine pelican]

I hear ya...or is it though? It wasn't wiping my stored LP for the future store usage? Only to have the LP earnings INCREASED (vs decreased). All because I believed in the teams word?

About a future LP store and being able to spend my saved LP?

Never again

They devalue my trust in them based upon their word? I don't think I'll save anything again in SA

Save? No. You.

The bottom line is they screwed those who saved LP for future "store" usage...by increasing LP payouts thereafter

They better NOT make this idiotic mistake again imo

I should be clear here, I think Chris is phenomenal, however, I also believe SOMEBODY didn't have all the facts and numbers relative to their decisions and how it would effect trust in the player base.

[vague dune]

when did LP come into play? I just got back in like a few days ago

haven't played since like sage v1

[barren magnet]

We've said that LP would be automatically converted to Atlas since December 2022.

[vague dune]

@desert beacon have any discount codes for ketstone? 😋

[carmine pelican]

Left out, dramatically devaluing a person saving LP because future changes would increase total LP output.

Just saying

If LP had been decreased vs increased it wouldn't have negatively effected those who believed and saved LP at magnitude of scope. Poor planning

[barren magnet]

LP was never meant to be saved when it came to Atlas earnings. Only for the LP store, which doesn't exist yet. The current LP system is just a bridge to get us from Golden tickets to earning Atlas for in game actions.

We're building this out as we go. And trying to be as thoughtful and transparent as possible through the process.

[desert beacon]

i dont, i know they have a referal system tho if you guys make one ill rep it for you

[barren magnet]

Hey @desert beacon have you looked at the fleet rental code we put in sage yet? Any thoughts on it?

[carmine pelican]

Ohhh.. I disagree sir. LP WAS meant to be saved for future LP store expenditures.

It was changed thereafter

Which is cool

[vague dune]

not seeing anything to do with a referal system

[barren magnet]

The store doesn't exist yet.

[vague dune]

or is it on the device it's self?

[carmine pelican]

We all know this

[barren magnet]

The current LP system IS NOT the LP store.

[carmine pelican]

Great posts.

I expected better arguments. 😅

[barren magnet]

Maybe I'm missing your point then.

[carmine pelican]

Read my posts then please.

[barren magnet]

Which one? I just jumped in here.

[carmine pelican]

LP was devalued after leading us to believe to save LP for a future LP store

[vague dune]

I think he means it states that LP will be for spending with mentioning a future store, and no mention of a wipe or increase of LP gains giving the assumption that saving could be a benifit

[barren magnet]

When did we say save LP ?

[carmine pelican]

Playing ignorant doesn't mean I will engage sir

[desert beacon]

i haven't seen anything on it.

[barren magnet]

That's a straight question. Not playing ignorant. Please answer the question.

[desert beacon]

where do i go to check it out?

[barren magnet]

Right in the sage code. Hang on I'll get a link.

[lime lichen]

How was lp devalued?

[desert beacon]

ah maybe its no longer a thing then

[carmine pelican]

Fixed pool divided by total LP earned per faction, LP increasing based upon economic incentive increases of LP.

[vague dune]

that's okay. Price is still fair.

[desert beacon]

for sure specially since its three seeds in one

[vague dune]

fixed pool of atlas

[carmine pelican]

Updated

[vague dune]

has LP gains increased? or been the same since LP release?

[vague dune]

Yea I really like that feature

[lime lichen]

Not sure I follow the last part. You’re saying that as everyone earns more lp you earn less is that what you’re saying for the devalue argument?

[barren magnet]

/dist/src/fleet.js

Fleet.addrental

   * Add fleet rental - start renting out a fleet
   * @param program - SAGE program
   * @param key - the key authorized to run this instruction
   * @param invalidator - the key authorized to manage the fleet's rental
   * @param playerProfile - the profile that owns the fleet
   * @param subProfile - the profile that is renting the fleet
   * @param fleet - the fleet
   * @param gameId - the SAGE game id
   * @param gameState - the game state
   * @param ownerKeyIndex - the index of the `key` in the `playerProfile` permissions
   * @returns InstructionReturn
   */```

https://www.npmjs.com/package/@staratlas/sage?activeTab=code

[lime lichen]

Also current atlas pool is not fixed they provided incentives for more atlas distribution based off of starbase upgrades.

[carmine pelican]

Based upon the original ideology of saving LP for the store. Yes.

[barren magnet]

@desert beacon you can call that function and lend any fleet you want to another player. Then call revoke when you want it back.

[carmine pelican]

It's fixed, small %s don't matter that much by weight.

[lime lichen]

There wasn’t any original ideology. That was an idea that came up but they said that lp store would come later with a different mechanic. Saving LP was just to allow a mechanic to capitalize on low LP days

[lime lichen]

It’s not fixed lol

[desert beacon]

very cool, so now we can specify the wallet that we give the permission to? that will be a gamchanger for scholarship potential

[vague dune]

@lime lichen is your name derived from super troopers?

[barren magnet]

Exactly!

[carmine pelican]

Let's talk math? 2M vs 50k added matters by weight?

[lime lichen]

You can rofl all you want but the atlas does increase with SB upgrades. It’s not a fixed set distribution number

[carmine pelican]

Yes and the math also matters...not words

[lime lichen]

What math are we talking here with your numbers?

[barren magnet]

I'm working on a recipe / example to share so people can start playing around with it.

[desert beacon]

one thing that would really help augment the scholarship model would be to optomie the ui for mobile (using the phantom/solflare/backback/ apps) most potential scholars are limited to mobile devices

[carmine pelican]

You tell me...how much over 2M isn't fixed..right now? Per faction

[desert beacon]

wait its ready to ship?

[barren magnet]

The lending code is already live.

[desert beacon]

holy cow!

[lime lichen]

Wait you’re saying a 2.5% increase per starbase upgrade is not worth it?

[desert beacon]

bro im ready to employ some scholars like yesterday lol

[carmine pelican]

Still not using math. Go on...

[vague dune]

@barren magnet I've coded for years in c# and started in web dev only recently, the sage program stuff is a bit over my head, any tips on where I can go to start getting a grasp on it?

[desert beacon]

can we give them all player profile permisions? like the ability to form and disband fleets, craft ect?

[lime lichen]

That’s with your numbers you have not sure what your point is

[barren magnet]

Yes but getting this mobile friendly is gonna take a while. I play on mobile a bunch too so I know how frustrating it is.

[desert beacon]

typescript seems to be a key for sa dev

[carmine pelican]

Learn math and weighted percentages and we will continue this convo

Until then...no thanks

[barren magnet]

They can't form and disband. You have to form the fleet. Then they can do anything a fleet can do. They need to provide their own crew for crafting.

[vague dune]

ts isn't far off from js / c# mix but rumaging through all that code is 🤯

[barren magnet]

Still waiting to hear where we said save your LP.

When you are ready.

[vague dune]

there doesn't seem to be many examples for the most part

is backwards engeneering all we got for now?

[lime lichen]

You’re right I’m just a dum dum. Continue going on about how this pertains at all to devaluing LP

[desert beacon]

the main benefactors would be mobile scholars, they are used to inconvenient ui, so as long as its playable it doesn't have to be perfect. only a few mechanics are inaccessible on mobile as it is

[desert beacon]

interesting so does the fleet show up in their own game id? and the mats deposit into their personal game ID?

[barren magnet]

The fleet and everything in it becomes available to them in their game right away.

[desert beacon]

wow, that is very cool

[late condor]

is there a way to not give back lent fleets

[carmine pelican]

So LP was introduced. It's a mechanic or a way to divide a shared pool of Atlas per faction.

More coming...I just wanted to try and explain since I enjoyed your convo...

Faction Fleet and Score was a fixed way to "stake" a person's bought ships for Atlas earnings...

[barren magnet]

No, the lender can revoke the permissions just like they revoke anything else.

[late condor]

Wow, SA such a scam

[vague dune]

I played SCORE and a little sage when it first released. then I went poof for a bit. So just before LP I'm assuming

[carmine pelican]

Yeah most likely.

[vague dune]

You might be able to borrow and get it destroyed in hostile zones though 😂

[lime lichen]

So you’re upset about as every player earns or aubmits more LP you earn less atlas per LP submitted correct?

[barren magnet]

I can never tell when you are joking or serious.

So I just assume it's all jokes.

[late condor]

You wound me. I'm a no-nonsense pirate.

[lime lichen]

@carmine pelican I’m still trying to grasp what you’re upset about. You need to explain it simpler to me please

[carmine pelican]

Since Star Atlas was evolving...they needed a way for players to play the game and not only stake...

[barren magnet]

Well we will have to settle this over a pint of hydromel.

[desert beacon]

i see two potential areas of demand. importing fleets like you just described (primarily benefits those with assets already by allowing them to seamlessly rent ships that they might need) the second avenue is to assign a profile to give scholars access to the managers full account. this would primarily benefit those who want to rent out all their assets, and scholars with no assets whatsoever. having both would be ideal that way even players with suboptimal fleets could hire someone to manage thier entire account and the scholar could rent specific ships on top of that to optomise.

[patent iris]

How granular will it get?

Could we give scholar 1: fleet A and scholar 2: fleet B?

[barren magnet]

You can give anyone you want any fleet you want.

[patent iris]

Clarifying question: would they ONLY have access to FLEET A for example? Or the entire wallet?

[barren magnet]

The implementation is super simple right now.

[desert beacon]

any sort of ledging is a mojor break through. well done. theres a tonne of upside here

[vague dune]

also if there is a cost for destroyed ships like insurance or perma destroy, they will need either deposits or area restrictions

[lime lichen]

When local markets or crew rentals to really get p2p Econ going?

[barren magnet]

They can have complete control of fleet A. Then you lend them fleet B and they have complete control of that.

[vague dune]

I believe he said just fleet earlier, Not even the crew at this point

[desert beacon]

fourtunatly its low risk right nos, as long as you choose a trustworthy intlelegent scholar with a vested interest to earn you could give full perms with low risk

[patent iris]

This has always been the game design. Theoretically LP will keep trending up as long as new players come in and they add more economic loops.

[desert beacon]

well not including the perms that are actually risky lol

[carmine pelican]

Sage Labs came and it was an introduction of the economics side of SA without only staking. Now we can utilize our ships to mine and collect resources but we needed something to give us incentives...Council RFRs were introduced that paid out Atlas. (Earlier it was golden tickets)

[desert beacon]

so in this case the ship disappears from the owners game id and pops up in the lender game id?

[vague dune]

I remember seeing the golden tickets

[desert beacon]

there might be a potential exploit if they arent required to do so at central

[barren magnet]

Our lending system doesn't cover the terms of the deal. For example third parties have to build their own code to establish the terms of the agreement. Then the lender calls our code to send the fleet to the scholar.

[barren magnet]

Yes

[desert beacon]

can this be done anywhere or only at central?

[lime lichen]

<@&809877248572260394>

[barren magnet]

I think it's anywhere.

[stray marsh]

BAD

[desert beacon]

terrible timing lol

[patent iris]

The LP store was nowhere near launching.

And the if they would of opened the LP store it would be of been a disaster. Whales with tens of billions of LP could of theoretically cleaned out the store, depending on how they set it up.

@barren magnet my suggestion for the store is to use XP as a proxy for a "store currency". This creates an even playing field for smaller and bigger players since XP is capped.

[barren magnet]

Nailed him lol.

[carmine pelican]

Once sage labs was released (earlier form of Starbased now) A problem arose...Atlas inflation was going NUTS. Both sides were producing atlas, simultaneously.
This was a planned transition

[desert beacon]

my first thought is this might open up potential exploits (like transporting mats to a base then renting the ship with the cargo), my second thought is that it might open up potential jobs

[barren magnet]

One idea being discussed ( that I'm in favor of, that IS NOT settled on yet) is to award 1 LP per day to active players. That way everyone has the same opportunity to earn LP. And whales don't drain the store. It's meant for cosmetics and in game boosts.

[desert beacon]

like you could mine mats at deep space then import them to another account using cargo ships by bridging the ship back and forth between accounts. creates a sort of local p2p trading opportunity

[lime lichen]

Rentals will help with freighting bottleneck but without being able to disband fleets or rent crew the crafting/upgrading bottleneck is still there obviously. We are almost there though

[barren magnet]

When you revoke the rental the fleet is wherever it was at the time you revoke. So you still have to get it home.

It doesn't beam back to your css or anything.

Also. Rentals only work in your own faction.

[lime lichen]

Multi accounting issue?

[carmine pelican]

Deprecation of Faction Fleet began (the staking of ships side). It's currently 66% reduced in payouts with a complete deprecation planned...during this time Starbased was stood up.

[west slate]

I think the idea is that you can "rent" ships to transport cargo

for yourself

[patent iris]

That could work. I prefer using XP. It's not too onerous to earn max XP .

[west slate]

like a quest

[barren magnet]

I don't think it's a big issue. If people want these account bound boosts or multiple cosmetics then it's probably fine.

[vague dune]

could they modify it sho fleets must be in any station and empty of all materials?

[barren magnet]

That's fine too.

[desert beacon]

heres my thoughts: player A mines and crafts components at a base, then loads them into a ship and rents that ship with the intention to sell those components to player B. Player B pays for the components then once the ship is in his game he unloads the components and player A takes the ship back. This could be a very cool P2P local market opportunity. but there might be unforeseen exploits here as well.

[west slate]

yeah its only realistically going to work with large fleets

[barren magnet]

Yeah there might be, but let's get it out there and find out and adapt if we need too.

[lime lichen]

Yea as long as they are account bound I guess or aren’t too much of a performance enhancement item. Guess it’s a double edged sword with that kind of stuff would be really neat to have really cool cosmetics or tradeable but that puts more pressure on exploiting the system

[barren magnet]

I think there's also an opportunity for small players to rent their fleets to larger players who have established trade routes.

For passive earnings