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thx thx guys!
ye, understand now
XXS will give Silver pack
and it's like not big chance to find rare/epic/legendary/anomaly
but still some chance, but very small 😂
it showas a 5 crew pack for $50 , now 10 fot $90
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that first part guys it's like a bit discount
instead of platinum pack for 100$ - we pay now 90$

alright! btw will the xp gain bonus from crew rarity be active in sage?
Still shows discount on website
Good because I didn’t think of it 😂
Yaaa... the team is working on getting it removed. Slightly (very) annoying.
yeah its the ui bug that never got fixed, even with starpath ships still show full price
Glad I just purchased some and forgot to use starpath glad I didn’t shaft myself lol
I like woke up from nap, see group up on discord, join and see packs selling, begin scrounging all money I can to buy, lool
2000 crew packs gone already 
Will be sold out by the end of the day haha
Easy $450k for development, LFG
Crewpacks ❤️ jahuuu
the deal is 90 for 10 crew now vs 5 for 50 later
HEY Atlasian, which pack do you suppose?
anyone have the starpath link to check funds
yeah send dm
but you're afk now.
anyone have a link to swags at crossroads
yup not dming
in club chat
thanks solace
found it anyways
sorry man sage duties lol
Maybe I'm dumb and doing the math wrong, but out of all commanders plus platinum packs added together only really 5 anomaly crew should be found from those.
Sounds… anomalous 👀
It's more like 33-34. Considering there is only 73 Anna Tolle, that is fine.
i did calculation compare with XXS chance 😂
11111 XS average can give 1 Legendary CREW
to find Anomally you need 2.500.000 XXS
😂
Like the idea of the game but it seems like i need way to much money ivested to do very little
It's time to sell the XSS ships .d
trying based with two ships have to spend fees every 20min to make 1800 hydrogen
Where is the other 400 of these supposed to come from?
This math I just did is incorrect. I don't think we can actually do the math, unless we know how many packs are being sold in the sale, is that information somewhere, I can try make a more accurate calculation.
Not to mention all the airdrops from ships
It said 750k crew from platinum packs
so I did my math off of 7500 packs
yes, but you can get anomaly from silver and gold packs
You can also get anomaly airdropped to your ship
True. Even more rare though add another 0 for gold and 2 for silvers
Yes, but we don't know how many of these packs there will be
My math was from the total supply of commanders plus the platinum packs
How many packs did folks buy 👀🔥
May the good luck be in your favor
We get anomaly, easy
Like a .315% chance of an anomaly with 7
I literally woke up from a nap, and see there's a discussion on discord, join and see crew pre-sale. Begin liquidating all wallets I can to scrounge for some funds to buy. lol.
less than that, it is not as simple as just adding the percentage. the formula escapes me. but in the end of the day, most likely will not get it anyway, so I don't care. rare just priced in, which is nice.
It was enough to replace all the crew I’m getting in my drop, so I should have some very good options and can spin off the crew that don’t make the cut.
hard to predict still xd
Thats the chance per crew inside the pack right?
I’ve got 72 crew currently so 7 packs gave me good odds of loving all the crew that make the cut.
need to take a refresher statistic course lol
that is percentage per roll, correct. Each roll will have the same chance at getting anomaly. There is a formula for figuring out the chance depending on how many rolls you have, but I don't know it by heart.
Yeah like factorial or something
A… few lol
IM BBQING WHAT DID I MISS
I'm asking chatgpt it can do math better than me
crew pack(s)
idk do you want to miss the presale
1 XXS ship will get airdropped a single silver crew card. that is worth $5 with chance of getting anomaly. Selling your XXS ships before that airdrop is a mistake, IMHO. because now you can buy XXS ships for about $8, but you can also transport the crew around. Who knows what the mechanics for crew transport will be. You could end up with a bunch of crew that is stuck at CSS with no transport.
ONI CSS. SAGE GOING TO UE5. CREW PACKS LIMITED PRE SALE
2600 left out of 5000
about 50% sold since launch..
Probably sells out by today/tomorrow
$90 per for 10 crew
90 bucks for platinum 10-pack
90 USDC for a 10 Card Platinum pack.
lol
here are the odds
Best deal you’ll get for crew packs tbh. Make sure you get one Bryan
What’s up bro
Yupppp.
To determine the number of cards of each rarity type in a single crew pack, you can use the probabilities provided:
Anomaly: 0.0045%
Legendary: 0.901%
Epic: 9.01%
Rare: 90.09%
Since there are 10 cards in each pack, we can calculate the expected number of each rarity per pack:
Anomaly: 0.0045% of 10 = 0.0045 * 10 = 0.045
Legendary: 0.901% of 10 = 0.901 * 10 = 9.01
Epic: 9.01% of 10 = 9.01 * 10 = 90.1
Rare: 90.09% of 10 = 90.09 * 10 = 900.9
Now, we can calculate the expected number of each rarity for 7500 packs:
Anomaly: 0.045 * 7500 = 337.5 (approx. 338)
Legendary: 9.01 * 7500 = 67575
Epic: 90.1 * 7500 = 675750
Rare: 900.9 * 7500 = 6756750
Now, for the probability of getting at least one anomaly in a consecutive opening of packs, we can use the complement probability (i.e., the probability of not getting any anomalies in a single pack):
Probability of not getting an anomaly in a single pack: 1 - 0.000045 = 0.999955
The probability of not getting an anomaly in x consecutive packs is (0.999955)^x.
We want to find the number of consecutive packs such that the probability of not getting any anomaly is less than 50%:
0.999955^x < 0.5
Taking the logarithm of both sides:
log(0.999955^x) < log(0.5)
x * log(0.999955) < log(0.5)
x > log(0.5) / log(0.999955)
Now, let's calculate this:
x > log(0.5) / log(0.999955) ≈ 30668.8
So, you would need to open at least 30669 consecutive packs to have a probability of at least 50% of getting at least one anomaly. (Chatgpt)
Why the heyol can I never get any roles here. My wallet is connected
Ya anomalies are crazy hard to get.
What role? Lol
Idk, I see so many colors here and mines just white
Did you like just whip this up
Okay so 337.5 packs should have an anomaly
Pick a faction bro!
Ryecoe is him, put respect on his name
USTUR BABYYYHUUU BOBOTS FTW
Holy cow all the things 😂
If you Ryecoe is talking numbers, you know he's excited
My goat
LFG thank u sir
i dont understand, i got 3 or 4 memories from never alone quest and now they are disapperead
but i have no one new, no new ship nothing
Maybe you forgot
Budum tissssss
what i forgot?
It was just a dad joke
Are they going to sell out in the next 4 hours?
Bc if I have to scoot home right now I'm going to be very angry
Dom what are these? This is different from the platinum pack available to get rn right?
yes those are going to be the regular sale prices for those packs
Those are the normal sale packs
Non-presale packs
Gotcha
you can read more about them here: #📢┃announcements message
Maybe honestly idk. I know things go super fast as they reach a lower quantity. We’re already half way sold out rn
Rookie mistake. Brought the computer but not the ledger
So, based on these calculations, in the total pool of 75,000 cards, you would expect approximately:
338 anomalies
676 legendaries
6758 epics
67568 rares
(1 out of every 23 packs for an anomaly)
I’m in a car driving for a few hours now or I’d offer to buy some for you
Sorry brotha
Ain’t no way bros texting and driving
Tsk tsk
Passenger 😂
I think those probabilities are per card, not per pack. Each card is 1 roll. so a 10 card pack is 10 rolls.
Michelle is diverting from Yoga to the house to get my ledger. CREW ON THE MENU.
Yeah thats what it is based on
if they dont sell out in the next horu
Michelle the GOAT
Ok so we can just get the platinum pack later that has 5 cards in it right? What else does pre sale of the 10 pack have?
I mean numbers still the same 75000 total crew so .0045% of that is 337.5
Pre sale pack is just 10% off
Can we open them as soon as we get them?
Other packs won’t have any discount, so it’s just a good way to get in if you’d like.
No, you can open them when crew packs release later this quarter
ı have 894 airbikes(crew member). Will the crews I will buy with the crew pack airdrop be commen-uncommen or will the epic legendary anomaly crew come?
Would need to spend about $2070 to be likely to get one
idk about logarithm, i'm from phone now, can't check more accurate, but i think you did mistake.
For Example:
7500 packs = 75000 CREW cards
0.0045% - it's percentage, div by 100 to calculate.
that mean 75000 (CREW from 7500 packs) * 0.000045 = 3,375 Anomalies average.
that mean 1 anomally per each 2222 packs (with 10 CREW)
we will be plaiing Surge in arround 30 minutes Join us
You’ll receive 894 silver crew in the form of packs
?
90.09% to get rare.
7500 packs with 75k crew = 75000 x 0.9009 = 67547,5 Rare crew
percentage it's still percentage
Ah I see so my initial math was right😂 chatgpt led me astray
To everyone trying to do the maths on anomaly, here is all you need to know. You will open all your cards, and most of them (possibly even all of them) will be rare 🙂
You are right though
yep xd
to do more fair formula we need amounts of ANOMALLY crew that even will be minted.
I mean it was info like it will be limited amount if i remember right
that mean when some Anomally was found - your chance to find should be lower (of course from left supply from whole packs)
it's hard to predict when we will find anomally
but i mean if i remember wrong
even with math statistic.
the thing is, anomaly crew could potentially be drawn on all ships when airdop happens, not just commanders.
You should statistically get an epic in 2-3 platinum packs
So how many commands is 1 epic crew?
How many uncommands will 1 rare equal? When will it be announced?
it's around 1 Anomally per 2200-2500 platinum packs with 10 crew 😂
should be 3.375 not 337 plus the 409 commanders at ~120 crew would get 4908 extra packs so an extra 2.2 anomalys. so 5 total still
this is called gambler's fallacy. but yes, you are correct.
😄
interesting utility of them
That was legit my first message was 5 for all the commanders plus the platinum packs
if their utility will be not so huge
anomally could be really overprice pretty hard 😂
I don’t quite understand the question I’m sorry
dont worry and be happy come join us in Surge 30 ninutes
lol
we can calculate how many anomallies should be in whole game.
we just need all nubmers of all ships and supply of all packs 😂
Yeah was supposed to be 500 so where we getting this extra 495 from
You mean common
statistically there should be a few
How many common crews will 1 epic crew be equal in power to?
but not a lot
really?
maybe from 10M crew than? 😂
it was info about how many CREW will be right?
i think maybe it could be only 50 Anomalies maybe? 😂
Yeah for sure was just a quick math I mean capitals are majority legendary as well and I didn't add them into that
it's not possible to have 500 Anomallies xd
When will it be announced?
It’ll work more like DNA 🧬
where was this limit stated
@past goblet DM me if you have a moment
Like they can all level, some when maxed out will have extra great stats
Yeah I think the 500 was supposed to be the total from the 10m crew
btw even with average chance (like from gold packs) - it could be only 50 anomallies than
The higher rarities will have higher ceilings for what they are capable of and maybe other features. Can’t quite compare them to “X common is equal to Y rare” etc.
WTB Anna tolle
whats the math for epic or legendary ? i cant open 3k packs for anomaly😂
ah btw
if it should be only 750k CREW from platinum packs.
that mean 33,75 ANNA TOLLE should be in Platinum Packs 😂
idk how many will be gold/silver packs
and idk about "airdrop" also, haven't all nubmers
lol, average 90% to find epic from each platinum pack with 10 cards
If you can only have one pilot on your ship, 12 common pilots vs 1 epic can’t really be compared. There’s one pilot seat, you’d use the epic 100 times out of 100 and the common never.
to find legendary - you need like to buy around 11 platinum packs 😂
and still could get rekt 😂
these are just presale packs, there will be other packs sold, also it depends on how many more ships move etc
i know it, but 750k CREW - it's not about presale
it was in description platinum pack
Legendary should be one out of 11 packs. 675 total of them out of the 75k in the platinums
Can I open pack immediately after buying?
like it will be summary 750k CREW from 5/10 cards platinum packs
i mean we know exactly that it will be summary 750k CREW from Platinum Packs
and we know it's around 33 ANNA TOLLE could be minted from Platinum Packs than 😄
Wait its 750k crew where was I getting this 75k number from
thats just from whtats being directly sold, every capital and higher gets plat crew
I don't even remember where I saw it now
most medium ships + get gold crew
bro, i understand.
i said 750k CREW from PLATINUM packs.
we know CREW, we know CHANCE, that mean we know it's could be around 33 ANNA TOLLE from Platinum Packs that will be on sale
ye, i know. I told only about Platinum pack on sale
yes thats just from crew packs in this round thats not counting the total actual numbers
to calculate all nubmers - i need data how many ships players have
and how many gold/silver packs team also planned to sell
note they will need to mint more crew packs in the future
unless we can train crew faster
then anticipated
and by train crew I mean actually create the crew
Come and play surge ,,,,
@hazy hedge do we know how many Silver/Gold packs team planned to sold?
I’d have to look at the spreadsheet and I’m not home atm
there are more ships to be released as well etc, also remember the airdrop is likely not going to be a standard airdrop but a redeem ship for hull, crew, components
ye, i remember
but to be faiir - with my XXS
so only ships that are direct sells from the team will change
from 11111 XXS i can get 1 Legendary
to get Anomally from XXS you need to redeem around 2500000 (YES, 2.5M XXS) XXS 😂
Or in better words 2.5m total crew from common or uncommon ships should give out 1 anomaly lol. Approximately the total crew from the total supply of every single xxs and xs ship combined
1 out of every 2.5m crew for an anomaly out of common and uncommon ships
statistically speaking anyone who buys enough plat packs or has a lot of capital + ships is likely to get an anomaly crew member, everyone else is likely going to have to buy or trade for one
as anyone opening gold / common packs could get one but individually the statistics are slim
Yeah just spend 205k on platinum packs and you got a really good shot at getting one
also going by this rare crew are going to be about 6-7 usd on average, silver crew packs will likely be an average loss
Ready to hit my anomaly
Channel is poppin today, love to see it!
I’m hitting it first platinum pack watch me bro
Lets gooo
any presale coming ?
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it's already up bro
in announcement ?
No no no. I already got the winning ticket in my inventory. You gotta buy some more. Remember, don't give up right before you hit it big.😂
the catch is there is a point where the value of the crew member drops below the money spent
link to todays Wagner's talk?
should be in anouncments
Yeah for sure
Damnn this USTUR base looks f awesome!
Just remember… an anomaly could always be in the next pack… don’t give up!
/sarcasm
well that was a good use of the extra puri I kept around
was just droping in value anyways
so can we open the packs yet, I am not seeing anywhere to do that
so -- when do i get to see which baseball cards i bought ?
Q3, 202(426)
@static mason that is what i was wanting to see
to be fair the sale will be tail end of q2 at this point
yep, and it's not good i think
how have things been going Signal ? liking the new avatar
😄
still the fact is if we level up our crew they will sell for more
Good! Still cripplingly addicted to Star Atlas and trying to live a functional life despite it 😂
so its not like a total burn on cash
Things are good, what about you @odd wedge?
thooooooooooooooooooooooon
yep -- i wait till the last min to replace a part on the pool to save money -- but crew packs are out -- the money just flows
I really thought I understood what my day was going to look like, and spending $630 on crew packs wasn’t on the agenda. And yet… here I am 😂
@limpid light Swag said 500 anomaly, 10k legendary totally supply if I heart it right
i did not buy them all at the same time -- easy to lie to myself
those are rookie numbers I got 3 with just the puri I had sitting around
I wonder if Anna and Sammy counted in those numbers
I'm staying away from the packs for now.
That little pink focker is still making things happen 😂
signal you should be spending like 5x what I am
joking though
not sure if its worth it
I have no idea I can’t call any of it. I think crew packs will be a financial mistake so they’ll likely be my best purchase yet 😂
Things that I think make sense in Web 3 never make money.
crew are worth a lot on average as far as production capacity goes
also means crew packs may be not worth a lot if your flipping crew, the roi on them can be through the roof
lol, interesting really.
but it could be.
even now we calculate that from Platinum Packs (only packs that team will directly sold) - it should be around ~33 ANNA TOLLE (anomally i mean)
can't imagine how we can reach 500 anomallies really 😂
i understand we have a lof of ships in Score in SAGE + it will be also silver/golden packs, but lol, 500 anomallies it's will be hard to reach 😂
the team is going to sell all levels of packs
bro, i didn't tell
anything about that
here we go again 😂
i know, i know.
when Dominic will share how many silver/gold packs will be directly sold - than we can calculate number of anomalies that will come directly from sale
@west slate the real question is when can we install them in the ship s and what % will that have on performance
@hazy hedge mission accomplished!!!!
thats a big fat 426
Big W

Yeah man i have no idea on the details but money has been spent. 
LMAOO
2258 left 😛
@hazy hedge how many packs you buy -- looking guilty
I bought a few for sure 😂
what was total supply? seems like more than half gone
5k i thought
all that presale will pay doms salary for a year
5 times over 😂
@shut bramble need TL:DR please!
come on over to S&B -- we can interview
You should ask extra % for your shooting skills, I guess you are the only team member who recorded kills not only deathes during that test 
LOL
I like the sound of that
Isnt ONI CSS already available to play on Epic?
I thought this is MUD CSS
and not ONI.
That’s ONI. It look like a real level now!
The current playable version of the oni css is very very very simple and just a block out basically
ohh okay. i just though they looked very diffrent 😄 but amazing! everything is amazing!
lol wtf is this guy doing
actually this is going to be interesting, its going to be very easy to properly staff every slot but pilot/nav
as the majority of crew slots are actually pilot/nav
Did they adjust the number of SDU's that can be found in each scan? My same feel has pulled different numbers in different scans.
its % chance x10
so there is a soft cap of sorts as to how big the fleet should be
See the presale will it end today
How can I play sage ?
good afternoon
Honestly, it's difficult to know which direction Star Atlas wants to go. They killed the small player, they change the roadmap, they change the agreement all the time.
@dim bay
the actual stuff for smaller players is in r2.2 right now there is still good roi for just mining hydro or crafting
I'm really rooting for the game to succeed, because through Star Atlas many games can succeed. I've been in the game for a long time and I wanted fidelity in what was agreed.
Not quite sure I understand. I've been pulling exactly 114 on every successful scan for almost 2 weeks and now I'm pulling 107?
check the% chance at where your scanning
you need min 11.4% chance to get 114
also it could be other people in the area
ie 11.4% if your the only one scanning is 114 if your not then its less
ok gotcha....the chance of success was 10.7ish so I guess I've never hit one that low to notice a difference
With the SDU economy being affected, many players left, and now I'm not seeing fidelity in the roadmap and every day changes without prior notice. Maybe I would have to try to bring the sdu players back again. The economy was kind of round and working very well with the sdu the way it was.
I hope everything gets sorted out and goes back to how it was before. Because Star atlas is the main and most potential project within Web3. And if he is successful, he will be a reference for many. Here's the rant and the suggestion for still believing in the project.
the game changed, sdus being that good was never going to last, smaller players have other things they can do to profit, you need to change how you do things as the game evolves because we are in the very early stages
I'm not talking about the sdu itself. I'm talking about all the changes to what was agreed, such as the Roadmap, for example.
actual content for the lower end is with ue5/mobile app mostly
there were no changes to the vision
early development needs to prioritize development not the needs of individual sectors of the player base
once we get ship config and r2.2 then there will be more for smaller players to do, early stages of development are going to be for those willing to put in more money if you want to do a lot
are all crew packs gone???
I only invest in the game. Because you really believe it.
ok I see it now
racing requires 1 xxs ship to play, the mobile app will require just 1 crew to play
both of those may even have full on ftp options
right now ue5 requires nothing to play
and ue5 may even have a full on free to play play to earn economy for r2.2
same with the mobile app
just don't expect any real return if your not willing to put in cash up front
as I told you. I've been investing for almost 1 year.
because I believe in the project
1 pack = crew ?
10
thxx
for the presale
after the presale its 1 pack 5 crew
ie plat is at a 10 usd discount right now
right
Before then there would be a date for this
now with so many changes
I don't know anymore
Can you answer me @west slate this?
this is the presale, odds are there is no snapshot being taken its going to likely be redemption for crew/components/hull
part of why this is taking a lot longer to roll out as they not only need to make the crew but also the components for the ships
the going idea right now is that we put the ships through a program that breaks them into componets/crew and the hull
meaning its a manual redemption process not an airdrop
also they need to prep sage to run both ships and the configs etc
its all explained in the medium article
ships get 1 single crew pack per crew slot and the rarity of the pack is based on the rarity of the ship
so yes if you have 1 airbike you could in theory pull an anomoly crew member (not likely but possible)
the average article for me was off
What do you mean?
hmm could be a regional thing perhaps
if you have a vpn on try turning that off
sometimes websites don't like them
or your vpn is set to some place that has a block on it for some reason (lots of political bs going on right now)
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it seems MRZ 29 is somehow buggy , stuck cant do nothing every transaction fails , all other bases good , any info on that ?!
Yes. could it be. I will check later. thanks
I'm not actually using a VPN
But everything is fine. I have to leave now. But I'll check later.
thank you very much
@hazy hedge do you have the stats for how many GOLD cards will be sold?
We do but I’m in a car driving down to San Diego so I don’t have access to those numbers atm
@tall lava are you around to give our brother here this number?
Focus on the road bro...
Please don't drive and Discord
I’m in the passenger no worries 🤣
That's what pros do...
Driving cars is EV-
How is Turkey brother? How was talking with Swag too
How to play surge?
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@pulsar barn
It's been magical bro!
Hanging with SW4G was the best!
Turkey was great. Hammam rocks!
Makes me happy that you guys met lol.
I am out of home bro, but I will check once I am back!
Hanging with Miguel and Alice was awesome also!
MRZ 29 bugged someone needs to get to it !!! everything is failing but only at 29 rest seems to work fine !!
With crew separation. What will be usefull airbikes?
Because nowadays they are basically crew. Expend 4.5x fuel than lowbies. Have you tough about use of xxs after snapshot?
When will be snapshot for xxs ?
first these packs are likely going to be sold out today and the next wave is still a few weeks out
also the best value is still the airbike for crew as you are more likely to actually be able to flip everything at a reasonable amount after the fact
I believe its not going to be a snapshot but rather an exchange where you can convert your ship nft for ship hull, modules and crew... If I understood correctly.
also the majority of crew packs out the gate will be the plats effectively meaning that 30,000 mostly rare crew will be available so yeah the return potential here is rather low
Hum actually i was thinking. Airbikes prob good to find sdu after crew separation
I mean. You can build 145 size fleets
Unlimited sdu. May be waste a bit more fuel. But if them are close to the desired spots...
better off just getting a rayfam at that point
as you can park it somewhere and scan till full
and its cheaper
airbikes are budget mining at this point, they will have more use as more of the game gets built out
stop just focusing on trying to scan for sdus
We will only know fully when we know the transport and passenger module mechanics. I still think XXS > crew pack at this stage. We will have to wait and see.
yeah if your looking to max out utility per dollar xxs ships are better right now, especially since we can't open crew packs or use crew directly in starbased yet, however I would think about buying some crew packs (like 1-2) now as these are likely going to be gone by the end of the day at this rate
honestly I think the only thing keeping them from selling out is that the epoch will end soon
Airbikes can only give uncommon crew. Getting this crew pack is guaranteed rare and above
the catch is that if your talking about value to direct sell after the fact airbike is still better
the value in the crew packs is the odds of getting something good vs the actual crew
rare crew are going to actually be quite common if you look at the odds of getting them across the board
If its slightly cheaper than 9$ yeah. But after the crew is released airbikes are kinda useless
however likely these are the best valued crew packs
Airbikes will get silver cards, these have a chance for up to anomaly crew. Just FYI
rare crew will likely be valued less then 10 when this all sorts out
note its likely a good idea to buy at least 1 pack now if you can
Yeah but its way lower than platinum chances
but overall its not that big a deal
What's not that big a deal?
the crew packs on sale right now, its a good deal but not game breaking to not get them
Its 9$ rn i think it will go down to 6 or something and go up again
any admin around ?
yeah, people buying packs are gambling, of that I am certain. Rare cards will go down to about $4-5 I would say.
You are buying packs to hope to get a higher rarity
the value of the crew packs is the chance to get better then average crew, the actual value of the crew we get per pack is likely going to be less then the pack
But seeing the rare ustur above 20 might make rare crew more mentaly valuable 😅
"game breaking"? Probably not...
But game changing over time? I would think so based on the additional XP gain and extra aptitudes
yeah, however the fact is it will likely be overall better to just buy or trade for crew thats what you need vs trying to roll for it
ie I burnt most of my remaining puri on this because well both are a gamble, this one is more likely to pay out
Just getting a epic from this pack is def making it worth it, whats the odds of getting one?
as far as loot boxes go I think this is rather fair
Oh for sure, there are worse loot boxes out there, this one is tame
nah epics are likely not going to push it to the actual value, they are too common for these
I disagree.
I think they nailed the value prop for Plat packs and for silver.
People who just want the cheapest crew can go for Silver...
People who are more serious can pay a bit extra and get exponentially better crew.
legendary/anomaly are likely going to be needed to actualy flip for the value of the pack +
each pack should get an epic or better
Legendary then, but epic makes a good difference from rare as its 2 major aptitudes,
I just need a ustur high rarity lol
we don't know yet, all speculation, let's see 🙂
yeah the value on the pack is fine, still likely cheaper to just flat buy what you want though when it is about the actual crew members
ie this is for when the market is dry on crew
ie anyone fine with common crew is better off waiting for everyone else to open their packs and grabbing the crew vs buying packs
That I agree with
the last we heard was it favors mud, but that may have changed
unless there was something in a recent brew or what not that I missed
Yes... but some of the other factions won't have all of the designs YET.
Those will be available later
Oh so they are not evenly distributed? Thats kinds bad...😑
we don't know yet, just expect it to be more mud heavy until we hear otherwise - note that there will be more crew available at other points (or we may have the option of holding packs etc)
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Ok, was there a reason why its more mud heavy?
its what they had ready
ie blame sbf
Whos sbf?😅
the idiot who ran ftx
😤
They've spent more time designing those and there's less crazy variance
ONI will take the longest because there's so many species
also humans are easier to model as there is less work needed due to the majority of free assets being more human
as even when doing 100% custom work its better to go off of a base and modify it
They can just make placeholder and finish the design
the catch is they still need to have enough concept work etc done
they want us to have full utility asap with these
Ill be down to use a crew only until the design is done and get their buffs later if I can get the faction i rather want, idk🤷♂️
i have rly tried everything from clearing cache to self destructing but fleets on MRZ 29 just dont respond at all and i need them !!
the fact is these are all mostly assetts to get the game moving with, by the time things matter we will have more veriety
That's what they're doing
you need to 👇
do you have solana on wallet?
Polis 3$
Atlas 0.05$
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I do think part of the reason the presale is focusing on the rare+ only is because they likely have more done for that end on each faction then they do the more common crew
Yeah makes sense there way too many common needed for out there
I mean we are talking 30,000 crew cards randomly distributed that means they likely have 100,000 + done already (or will by the time we can open these)
unless there are going to be some duplicates
airbike can't farm SDU in profit now.
idk, even if you will play 24/7 manually and will find better spots, i don't think you will be in some profit..
airbike will give Silver Pack. It's not only uncommon crew, but ye, in most it will be only common/uncommon crews.
there chance to find epic/rare/legendary/anomally, but pretty low chance of course.
the value with the airbike right now is the crew + hull + components meaning it will have an average direct sale value of likely equal or higher then its current value
maybe with current 0.14 SDU price and lower food price, but i'm not sure about PROFIT really even with manually 24/7 gameplay
where crew packs will likely have lower direct resale value
1/25k chance for annomaly
1/25k from what?
airbike pack
serious
yes
👀
the catch is an airbike that drops even an uncommon crew will likely pull way over its price
yep, im not calculate epic.
but 11111 - legendary, 2.5M - anomaly xd
previous when i hear about crew and etc.
it was some math like it could be really for example 1 anomaly per 25k XXS
There's 50 anomaly total
but now we know - it's not for XXS players 😂
interesting that total will be 750k CREW from PLATINUM PACKs
Odds someone pulls one with silver are pretty slim lol
that mean ~33 anomally will be from Platinum packs
in math i mean, of course some RNG could be placed xd
Correct.
I don't have the gold pack numbers, but SW4G told me it's 50 total.
👍
ye, Dominic also can't share now
seems like 33,75 anomaly from platinum
and all other from other packs
lol, SW4G told you it 50 Anomaly from packs that they directly will sell*?
or it's overoll?
include future "airdrop"?
well if you look at the numbers there will likely be 1 -3 from the presale
yep, i calculate that with you before.
but if it will be summary 750k from platinum and it's will be other like ~17 Anomaly from Silver/Gold packs
that mean 50 Anomaly will come directly from sale as i understand Virtuwul correct
and than we can got anomaly when we will reveal our ships seems like
or not? maybe it's max 50 Anomaly summary from all? 😄
at most 50, note there is no garentee that any will actually drop at all
I wonder if people realize this at all, lol
as the actual odds are lower then a pure multiplyer
all packs could be open, and no anomaly drops, amazing
as a pure muliplyer is just taking median results into account
odds are it skews lower
hm, if it still max 50 Anomally
maybe than will be better to just Buy ANNA TOLE for 6k$ on Marketplace? 😂
note unless swag put that in actual writing somewhere thats offical its still subject to change
I don't think anomaly crew will be worth $6k
odds are it will not have to
anomaly crew will likely go for a lot, tufa/photoli could break 1k
the other issue is with a crew member that expensive is your going to want it on some big ship if your taking it anywhere
and your less likely to take risks with the ship effectivly lowering the functional value of the crew member
I would laugh if some fool put an anomoly crew member on an airbike and took it to hrz and got it blown up
wen pack openings?
OK thanks
its 426 just because
but the reality is we should know more likely next week when the team is back in
He also added "this could change, need to confirm". I believe final calculation has to be made and it is not finalized yet.
we only have about 7-8 weeks left in the quarter plus the presale is already here (well likely over very soon)
crew packs are like beers -- just one more
honestly I bet that once the epoch ends the rest will fly off the shelf
now i just need 100 cell phones and a paint shaker
Is Starbased giving anyone lots of errors?
2 many crew for the system to handle
yikes and we have 10M momre to go
system cant handle Oni LP
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likely everyone trying to get lp in to buy crew packs before they sell out
yeah weird it cleard up right after epoch end
Nah, it’s just Vurtuval “sandbagging” (for the sake of others), and now he’s cracking oni pool by claiming his stockpile to the tune of 6.5B lp per day. While some may not like him taking 1/3 the daily Oni pool, I will do everything in my power to defend his right to play as he wishes.
.I see you’re back in our backyard. I’m just keeping up with the totals
The more you put in, the more I put in. Very simple.
Welcome to the war of attrition
👀
Oh sweet time to go all out. I'm in.
You’ve claimed ~1/3 of the pool the past 2 days while I claimed 0. Don’t deflect, it’s ok to make some atlas.
rly dont understand this bug , everything is working exept MRZ 29 , no transaction goes , stuck for hours now , cant destruct either !!?
The master deflector projects…
I can’t be clearer, more concise or direct than I am. Something you should try sometimes.
Do you try warp/subwarp anywhere? Than self-destruct
I'm actually amazed at your hypocrisy. Are you really crying about Virtu claiming LP in his own faction when you have been griefing every faction that upgrades a Starbase? You should seek professional help.
doesnt work have tried everything
You claimed 584 atlas then 627 atlas on days that I claimed 0, your playing a war of attrition with yourself mate I wasn’t even there.
Curiously, how much LP did you collect on those days?
No, I fully support however he wants to play the game. Same goes for everyone
0, and 0
Create ticket than my friend
So basically... You were going to claim and then Virtu beat you to it.
Get the fuck out of Oni.
Stop griefing.
"OH MY GOD I MOVED ALL MY FLEETS AND FIELD STABILIZERS THAT I CRAFTED IN MUD TO ONI TO GRIEF ONI'S UPGRADED STARBASES AND NOW VIRTU IS SUBMITTING TOO MUCH LP SO I CANT SUBMIT LP AND NOW IM LOOSING MONEY. PLS HELP ME."
I fully support vurtuvals in game play style, I’ve congratulated him many times on his recent cashflow. Happy for him
Cool. We all support him too. It's called having friends.
I don’t discriminate between the rights of players based on my “friendship status”. While I might not like the actions of another player, I will defend their right to play as they wish. I thank him for his contribution to the development of Star atlas, for that he’s earned the right to play as he wants.
We were agreeing on how awesome Virtu was, sorry, didn't think that turned into an argument. 
Too much soft core gifs in there 🤣 but you got it
how is your day everyone
catching on the presentation on crossroads
also does anyone have any solid info on how xp gains are calculated. I am looking at crafting specific because I am getting some mixed results and seems like the eveeye resource table is not correct
Only info in aephia manual
Idk where we can find more info 😄
the daily cap makes it hard to find out, not sure if its consistant actually
I made some more tests, seems like hydrocarbon is 0.06 xp per item. I will check fuel next when base is supplied
yeah I tend to run large enough crafts that I cap out in 1 run
usually it even fills up whatevers left on the daily as well
but as I get the daily global cap from just mining and transport its whatever
Yeah, i was looking to check if I can get the cap with 6-7 workers crafting fuel all day. I am spread pretty thin 😄
ok yeah I have larger teams going
btw. do you get the 40k cr without maxing out the 10k on each license?
40k keeps going even if liscence is capped
I think the bug was for those who were able to cap out with only a few actions
ie it was about the 40k having been gone over
What is this new message when buying from market that warns you that the issuer can freeze it?
buying crew members in phantom
can we please have the ability to supply our own crews so we don't have to follow and aimless crowd....
Yeah, the one for the 40k being over was fixed, but not sure if 40k using only pilot xp should be a thing. Seems like another bug to me but might be the intended way to work. Do you know if we have confirmation about that - the Aephia document seems to state you will need 10k in each license to have 40k global
you rly think Sol is decentralised and ATMTA is not a USA regulated company ??
I think the upcoming changes in the next couple of weeks should resolve some of those concerns regarding food upkeep and crafting. But for star base upgrades - you will need to follow the crowd/wales: #📢┃announcements message
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if you don't want to follow what the whales want you need to be large enough to supply food /tool kits on your own - note that also means taking the loss too
When do packs open
gn everyone
Hi ! It’s possible to play the showroom ? The link in Epic Games does not work.
you need a key, if you ask the mods nicely they might give you one
Thank you very much !
He is joking. They will give you. But you should be polite...why wouldn't you?
yeah they usually do, but they may have a limit to how many they can give out so I don't want to promise it
still at this point I don't think any of us have extra keys so its all on the mods
Yeah, but since they told at the conference today that you just need to ask, i guess they have enough
There was a channel for this, but cant find it anymore
they got rid of it after surge, I guess they don't want the mass distro anymore ie they are trying to be more quiet about it
ie why I don't want to make promises
At the SA transmission today there were a few people that asked about how to get a key after Michael said it would be available....i guess there will be more people asking for it
yeah, its likely and well the response will always be ask a mod
can the crew packs be opened already?
No, they’ll be openable when Crew Packs release later in the quarter
so a few weeks then
still anyone that wants in on the sale should get it now
less then 1000 left
If I pre purchase enough packs can u just dump them in the passenger modules of my ships?
Sooner rather than later? OTC silver packs pls
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For what
@azure anchor@west slate@patent iris we will be able to choose faction before opening each pack, confirmed by the team
nice, was kind of hoping for them to let us do that - just was not sure they would be ready for it
That's from FR LOL xD

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Hi
Does anyone know how many crew packs were originally listed?
When the Presale 10 Card Pack reveal?
Thanks
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I have 894 crew member.who wants craft on css,u can send me any material and i ll craft,sen it.
I have referances in coex
Good morning all Galia crew
I think it was 5000
crew packs
correct
go back to sleep lol
Bro... I thought we were friends...
Less than 500 before they are sold out
I tell Beth this everyday lol
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Whales wouldn't be taking a loss if they only supplied their own crews....if the game is not going to cater for small players a large player base is being ignored and onboarding new players is going to be more difficult.....
can I play star atlas even tho I dont have ship and only have crew?
the ue5 version yes, in based you need ships
i can get you a key for the ue5 version in the epic games launcher
426 is a Mantra
hey all! do we know when we will be able to open crew packs?
hi all
A few weeks maybe? This was the discounted pre sale. Likely around when ship holders get their crew drops.
dom said end of the quarter or something, so maybe before the end of june hopefully, but you never know 426
where can I start?
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man thats perfect timing for me, i still wanna grab a couple more mediums
Feels like the perfect ship size
Do I need to buy the pack to start playing?
Nope you can play without it 👍
How much LP per Field Stabilizer?
not for ue5 you can test for free in the epic games launcher i can get you a key
for based (sage economic gameplay) you need assets
WD9XT-CL7Z6-TKH2M-WRUFP
redeem that in the epic games launcher
thanks
@cold ledge how much LP per field stabilizer?
idk, does it not say when you put them in? maybe ask in #📊┃economics people have lists
i think 288
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- Check eveeye/resource it has all numbers there
Does anyone here know where I can find how much LP per Resource contributing to a Starbase gives without having to manually own/craft each one and check by initiating a potential contribution?
dont take any direct messages
anyone else stacking on polis
everyone i know does
best possible move.
i havent hactually had a chance to watch the video yet. Are they ditching PlayCanvas/webgl?
im shamed to say whenever someone says Field commander i just nod my head acting like i know what they are talking about
Yes. UE5 in the browser 👀
It looks so amazing 🤩
bot commander?
Do we log into UE5 and then play a browser game from UE5?
i miss you buddy
i love the ue5 sage, but the same issue as 3d sage before, people will use the bots
have you ever played X3/X4? It's a space sim game where you have ships flying around w/ AI command doing menail tasks like mining. While you are flying around your ship in space blowing things up, dog fighting, running missions, and during downtime you are commanding your fleet.
Hey, how does presale works for crew packs? And what are odds to pull rares in those cards? Any docs to read about it?
Its one of the best space game experiences I've ever had.
read the medium article
also in #📢┃announcements
sure its a german game after all
Oh thats right! One of my favorite dev houses tbh.
did you try the new homeworld yet?
Presale is about to run out I’d hurry.
10 cards per pack, each card has like a 90% chance of a rare.
The odds get rolled per card not per pack so each card gets its own roll.
oooooo. i saw an advert for it. Is it out?
i think early access maybe, not sure, just watched some tests
There’s literally 84 packs left now
comes out tomorrow!!! pre-purchase got it a few days early
58
51
now i want more lol
Even if I ran right now I’d be too late
45
Keep in mind this was the discounted lot. 700k more are dropping
Congrats star atlas team less then 24hours!🎉🎉🎉🎉🚀🚀🚀
Sold out
easy 450k to pay Dom
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LOL we did this in two different channels at the same exact moment 😂
So…
What now 😂
waiting room
hmm
i need to pack. portugal tomorrow
i actually have a bit of downtime and i keep checking all my fleets/stations/etc for crafting timers
like over and over again
need to pack and watch crossroads video
you are on your own!
I guess the opening of packs will be much earlier
This looks awesome! Can't wait for this to be released
Enjoy brother 💪❤️
Tigu has evolved from pet to crew now 🙂
That’s actually kind of a big deal…
kinda weird to
Congratulation Star Atlas Team! 🎉
Haha what if Tigu became like energy cards in Pokémon 😂
You open up a common pack and Tigu is like the throwaway 😂
*Snatched
But yeah crazy awesome ❤️
They did a great job with the launch.
hello
Hello!
Sold out?
The discounted sales is sold out.
More are coming later
With no discount
Has anyone seen the movie Atlas on Netflix?
No 🤔
For me it says it’s not out yet.
Jennifer Lopez being the star pretty much makes it a “no” for me 😂

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Yey, Anna could get to be the best Crew + Avatar + Waifu ever. Is there actually a production design of her?
Do we know non discounted price?
Nah, she not thic
For Plat packs: $50 for 5
Gold: $37.50 for 5
Silver: $25 for 5
No discounts or self-referrals
where do i got to get started?
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thanks
Getting Started |
what's a reasonable amount to spend when starting not a whale
Let me ask one more question. What was the discounted price? 🙂
$90 for 10 Plat cards
10% off
$2k can buy a decently balanced fleet at a scale large enough to make it worth the time for most people.
puh that depends on many many factors, you want to play based and deep dive in the economic gameloop or just have fun in ue5, also cant give financial advise, check #📊┃economics the pros are in there
thanks
before buying anything make a plan on what you want to achieve, there is many different types of ships and gameplay loops in the future
this is kinda what i wanted to know an overall kinda answer.
I find myself to be a bit of an explorer miner crafter type
my years in eve online taught me that
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfzW3uiqkbnfJexBysh0MAzZYRhiRwQg8WlsFWfuKgs/edit?pli=1#gid=205337066 this will come in handy
SAGE Labs Stats
Stats current as of 4/16/2024. Subject to Change
*Mining Rate assumes Asteroid Richness & Resource Hardness of 1
Food consumption rates only use normal crew count
Active crew accounts for additional passengers from passenger modules
Symbol,Model,Manufacturer,Spec,Class,Cargo Capa...
Yep, like vb said there’s a lot of variables. You can spend a few dozen dollars to get started and learn the ropes
oh i see i have massive reading to do
yeah its super complex and we still very early 🙂
if its to much i can get you a key for the ue5 version and you can shoot or fly around a bit
nah this is what im into
hello
Welcome!
if i want to start investing in this project , on what returns atm can i wait ?
i sent you a link in the other thread
for gameplay any returns are super hard to calculate, depends fully on your gameplay
and what you do with the resources
someone knows or ask to the FR, how much of each tier crew packs (Silver, Gold & Platinum) will have in total?
ah total numbers idk
@tall lava
thnkas, but i means how many of each pack will be in total? 750K crew will come from the Platinium but how many from GOld and Silver?
for that 750K now SA sold 50K so still have 700K and a lot of them will be used for the legendary and Anomaly ships
isnt it like 10 million or something in total
also i guess when the mobile app drops people can mint crew or something
5cent fee to stop mining is a killer
use solflare or backpack
phantom has solana priority fees enabled
yes 10M in total said Michael
that it's true but that crew willl be common
if you read the description its 750,000 crew from 5-10 card packs - crew for ships will be single card packs
meaning this is the number that will be directly sold as loose crew not the actual total given out
also means that likely there will be more anomaly crew added in for when the ships get broken up
also there will be ways to get crew in game etc
Will be 750k crew available from 5 or 10 crew platinum packs, that means in my opinion that 750 crew will come from platinum crew. They sold 50k crew in those 10 crew platinum packs so the rest will be used for the ships or they sell that. Becouse if in total will be 10M crew plus some common from nonnft that mint in the app but that will be les than 1%of the total.
the medium article makes it clear that ships give single crew packs the description says 5-10 card packs ie the packs that are being sold
They said that in total will be 500 anomalo crew and 10k legendary in all the game
all the numbers are subject to change and bases on seeding numbers regardless
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Yes i know but the 750k its not 750k packs platinium is 750k crews that come from platinium packs
5-10 card packs specifically ie packs that are directly sold by the team
packs from ships are seprate from that count
They said that?
its in the description
Ok ok
750,000 from 5-10 card packs
making it a clear distinction from what we get for our ships
as the article says ships drop single card packs
also its been stated that likely 50 anomaly crew are going to be from the sold packs
Yes that its acording my calculus around 50 anomaly crew
But the total, not only the 5k packs sold now
Becouse is 1 anomaly for each 22k single platinium packs
1/22000 ? that's ma hell of a probability
0.000045%?
Anyone played UE5 with a RTX 3050 gpu? Looking to buy a new laptop but want to make sure it will run well.
don't buy a laptop just for this game
you need a desktop to play it properly
It won't be just for this game. I just want to make sure the specs I'm seeing for it will work well enough.
And it would be nice to be able to play when I travel.
it should be fine but odds are it will overheat a lot
it will! but actually never had a 3050 laptop under my fingers
laptops run at degraded performance especially for high end games
If your ships are in sage, can you still call them in to the UE5 showroom?
ideally you would want a 40xx series card in it if your honestly looking to play this with any type of decent performance
at least untill it goes throguh a lot more optimization phases
0.0045%, for gold and silver its lot more difficuld
Indeed. My main gaming rig is and will be a desktop. But I'm needing a new laptop for travels and I want to be able to play when I travel if needed.
In other words I don't want to waste money on a crappy laptop that won't do what I need it to do when I need it.
Like when the UE5 version of sage comes out, I want to be able to play that on my laptop.
I would wait for when the 50xx come out to get a laptop if your looking for it to play this game
Try find a laptop with a rtx 40 at least
But I need somethin now because I'm traveling this week. 😅
Cant you wait for after your travel?
RDP ....
there is nothing worth doing right now in ue5 that would justify buying a laptop
Need to be able to manage sage while I'm gone.
Fleet command, that 3d sage game,any laptop/pc specs come out for that
they have not even anounced the req for the closed beta yet
?
There is not much going rn so dont hurry buying one
also laptops would be a bad idea for a stress test
But I need to manage sage while I'm traveling and I don't currently have a working laptop.
Anything low end should work for sage
My old one crapped out.
sage can run on anything
just get something cheap
Or ask around and borrow one?
I get that, but I don't want to waste money on a low end laptop and have to buy another high end laptop latter.
@proud shoal make @lyric saddle do it
3060 works fine in surge if that's your question
the 50xx chips should be out soon enough regardless ie that would reduce the price on the 40xx ones
its a bad time to get a high end gaming laptop
What about 3050? That's the one I'm looking at currently.
for a laptop I can say its not worth it
3060 when your looking to auto search in uE5 goes to epic settings, so 3050 could work normal I guess?
You want at least 8gb of vram the 3050 isnt enough
remember this is a laptop not a desktop
you need more power to get equal performance
I'm in laptop
he is looking to buy something that will last him 5 years is what it sounds like
For that long. Go for a 40
Oh Ok for 5 year
then you need a 40xx card
So a laptop with at least a 4060 but for longer usage maybe a 4080
Uhh hell no wait for the 5xxx series it right around the corner
thats what I told him to do
but he says he needs it now
I mean a 40xx laptop will be good for a while but they will be cheaper once the 50xx is out
Reason: Posted a link
screen shot no links
Why not just a cheap laptop if its for sage then get a desktop for surge and etc..
4050 bad
that looks like a waste of money to be honest
4050 is only 6gb vram, you're just making the minimum to run UE, go for st least 8
honestly if you need something to manage crypto while out go for somethign sub 500 usd
and wait on a good mobile gaming rig for after the 50xx is out
as honestly a good gaming laptop is worthless unless your planning on being transiant for a while
ie going to college, in a job where you travel a lot etc
if you go on like 1-2 week long trips a year its not worth it
That's the thing, I don't travel a whole lot. But when I do, I want to be able to do what I need. Doesn't have to be top notch. But like in the future, if I need to jump on UE5 to move some resources or whatever, I want to be able to do that.
never going to be necessary, sage is perminant
Asus g14 are really nice and compact I had an older model with a 2070 max q and it handles the ue5 on lowest everything lol
also that stage of ue5 is years out at this point
we need to get star atlas on geforce now
getting something now thats supposed to run a game that will hit what most people concider an early access mmo stage is 3 years out minimum
2023 g14 with a 4080 has 12 vram and it going for 2.2k rn
also talk to signal about shadow
Yeah, I'm probably thinking too far out in the future. Just don't like buying low quality products and find out later I need something better.
as your better off doing like a month sub on that for when your running around
jo shadow works but still security concerns
thats why were telling you to wait
we need keystone support for star atlas
Can we request for some game improvements, just ease of life stuff
you could qr code the txn on the remote pc
yeah we don't have all the specs etc and what not yet
shadow would be fine for 1 use stuff if your just looking to mess around
Ok thanks
@west slate can you rate my setup, I recently made a pc
there might be better people to do that as I have a set up that is not going to need to be messed with for at least another 5 years so I don't pay attention as much to current stuff
outside of more harddrives etc
also note that as hardly any games are made to be current gen console only I'm likely good on rec spec for like another 10 years


