👽┃general

[lyric nimbus]

it will be always, it's game of thrones (extractors)

[thorny lagoon]

check my videon in the last comment here: https://discord.com/channels/789226204980707409/1229275294171398205

[upper cipher]

it is what it is tho, cant believe everything yall big dawgs talk about, youre always gonna go after the profits. Cant blaim you, but if you say otherwise, it's most likely a crock of shit

[empty solstice]

Buying large ships is a big risk, like everything in life, big risk = large reward,

[desert beacon]

The alternative was a race to upkeep, and no reason to craft components. Pick your poison. Either tools and food are the meta and there’s no use for components, or components are meta and food and tools are a cost of business which forces whales to foot the bill if others don’t.

[upper cipher]

dont think the ships is the cause of this battle here bro, it's the bullshit lying in chat, then doing something that you agreed not to

if you dont wanna do shit, dont promise people you will

simple af

[modest vault]

yooooo my ratio is pretty far under required

and I'm not even fully in

let's not lump every1 in

[topaz pine]

That is NOT the alternative. The alternative was to work with you faction. Rome and ONI did this just fine. I can't speak for the other factions.

[upper cipher]

Yeah i keep saying you diff

fr

[desert beacon]

Bro. I’ve literally unkept every base I’ve been in. How am I supposed to pay more that 6m tools a day?

[modest vault]

I was doing math on small players today

they literally CANNOT support the bases cause it's such a waste

[topaz pine]

my ratio is far under as well

[modest vault]

^^they can barely move to MRZ in the new version

[topaz pine]

YOU CONTRIBUTE FOOD

[modest vault]

we need P2P

[topaz pine]

wtf

we need combat

fuck this

[modest vault]

😂\

[desert beacon]

What difference does it make? Every base regardless of faction costs 6m tools per day

[waxen raven]

P2P = Pay to play?

[cyan wraith]

I was wondering why this wasn;t mentioned...

[topaz pine]

he thinks he doesnt have to contribute food because he was crafting in labs and therefore hes off the hook for helping his faction

because he has a big enough fleet to afford to do that

basically. FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.

Bodhi = do anything to win by himslef.

[upper cipher]

Combat will be fun

the small players will mass

good times

[desert beacon]

Bro you talked about crafting tools in labs cause it takes less mats lol

[past knoll]

… if there was mass… prrhaps😂

[topaz pine]

And? Saying something is possible doesn't mean I have partook.

[waxen raven]

I was going for a miner carreer but it'll be fun to kick whales asses

[cyan wraith]

He was also the biggest supporter of shutting it down too. To avoid exploits just like this.

[desert beacon]

Yes he was

[topaz pine]

I didn't craft anything in Labs. I moved to Starbase day 1 to help support the guild.

[upper cipher]

After i deposited 100k food and got a min and a half of craft time

i moved back to labs

[cyan wraith]

Same here. Based since Day 1...never went back to Labs.

[empty solstice]

Your responsible for your own loss bro

Labs is free crafting

[desert beacon]

Right on man. I crafted food in labs, so I’ve got plenty to upkeep bases now that there are no alternatives

[topaz pine]

Oh yeah? fuck you. Good job extracting from the system. Biggest targets.

[modest vault]

we just need to see how the next month plays out

I know MUD will be fine

[desert beacon]

Bro he’s not even a part of it lol

[topaz pine]

maybe he shouldnt talk shit then

[upper cipher]

Sounds like a need a Whale Fight Club night. Let yall duke that shit out, and come back refreshed the day after

[lyric nimbus]

funny chat today 😂

[empty solstice]

The team kept labs open, why you blaming players?

[lyric nimbus]

it should be in "economics" channel guys

cmon

😂

[waxen raven]

Yep

[topaz pine]

When Combat comes TREE will not be able to wear any visible tags. Enjoy while you can.

[desert beacon]

Alright bro game on

[waxen raven]

#WhalesMustResupply

[hardy elm]

let the plebs see some of the usual

[cyan wraith]

I usually just roll my eyes a bit when Bryan goes off on an emotional tirade, but I think this may be the first time that I fully support him! 🤣

[upper cipher]

I see wars brewing! LFG

[mighty lance]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-entertained-gif-6244076109887777511

[waxen raven]

+1

[empty solstice]

F off bully

[toxic apex]

#slayTREE
#SlayONI
#slayAEP

[empty solstice]

You games yourself

[toxic apex]

With my f4

[cyan wraith]

There comes a certain moral ethic needed from the larger players to ultimately seek the greater long term good for the game and the players and not just milk they system dry.

[hardy elm]

your clan puts its tentacles in every corner of the game extracting and thats your response, kk

[topaz pine]

Biggest whales in the game extracting off the backs of every player in every faction and I'm the bully. LOL.

[desert beacon]

Define extracting

Cause I’ve only bought lol

[waxen raven]

Today shrimps love you boy

[topaz pine]

Extracting $65,000 ATLAS while contribuing $1,500.

[topaz pine]

extracting rewards and buying more stuff is still extracting

like cmon

[desert beacon]

How do you expect me to contribute more than 6m tool per day per base?

[past knoll]

There is no moral when put to test…. as usual.

[topaz pine]

FOOD

How many times do i need to say it?

[desert beacon]

Ok well now I have to do that too

[topaz pine]

Good job. You fucked over everyone else for 2 weeks.

[hardy elm]

maybe you could if you stuck to your own faction and not dipped in all three

[thorny lagoon]

And also take a note for next game ID change so we can avoid releasing with loopholes like that. I can think of some ways that could have been avoided. But it is clear now that most people took advantage of crafting in labs after they realized it was possible. This was a good stress test for the community and the players

[desert beacon]

How many food does it take per day

[waxen raven]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[lyric nimbus]

😂

[cyan wraith]

Classic Emperor with no clothes unfolding here...

[spring cobalt]

whales please supply food cannot crafting amk

[upper cipher]

Yeah they gotta find a way to fix this stupid shit fr

[spring cobalt]

sly lab asistan works well

i am very suprised

[empty solstice]

He's cussing at me for just pointing out facts about the game

[cyan wraith]

Kinda sad (and telling) that you don't even know this...

[hardy elm]

[lyric nimbus]

Marketplace dead guys?

[desert beacon]

There is not enough depth to the lp pools for me to play in a single faction. If I do then I will dilute that faction and everyone in it. Similar to what’s happening in oni but worse

[west slate]

no just bugging out

[lyric nimbus]

cant load anything again

[topaz pine]

What just really pisses me off is you argued for this system so fucking aggresively in playtest, I argued the opposite, and then you just fucking took every loophole possible and shit on everyone with the information. You literally argued that the current system would be GOOD for smaller players, PAGES of arguments.

[fervent abyss]

surge rewards are only for players who play on saturday?

[upper cipher]

yessir

[thorny lagoon]

why the fck were wales allowed for private stress test in the first place?

nvm, don't pay attention to me

[lyric nimbus]

FR boys i think

thats why we need to stake Polis 😂

and be in FOUNDATION ROOM

[fervent abyss]

rip, i'll have to work saturday, no rewards for me

[thorny lagoon]

aha, the argument was experienced tester who knows how to write reports

[upper cipher]

they have two times

in events

[desert beacon]

What’s the alternative? Either upkeep or upgrading are meta. You can’t have both. If upkeep is meta then it’s a race to upkeep and bot that system. I cannot pay more that the max amount that it takes to upkeep a base. And I’m not going to sandbag myself to bring my profit:payment ratio down just to make you happy

[fervent abyss]

yes, 5AM, will try to wake up early ahah

[west slate]

the fact that I have spoken to quite a few smaller players that are very upset at the poor lp returns and are on the verge of quitting because of it and bodhi is here defending not contributing

[desert beacon]

I cannot “fit” in a single faction or I would

[upper cipher]

Coffee and weed bro, you got it

[cyan wraith]

A player with your amount of assets can EASILY do both with minimal impact to your earnings.

$65K in 2 weeks. Like holy shit...

[desert beacon]

Bro how can I contribute more that what is needed for a base to keep going?

[west slate]

umm you can though there are those the same size as you (or bigger) that stick to 1 faction

[topaz pine]

Bro. You are wrong. Look at the evidence. How can you still try and argue this?

[chilly tinsel]

food is also required to keep a base going ser

[upper cipher]

He dodges the food talk like the team dodges questions about crew drop

[west slate]

I have been forced to craft in labs as mud, you could have contributed more there

[empty solstice]

You Wish, Dream on😂

[west slate]

as you insist on also dumping over a billion lp a day into muds pot

[cyan wraith]

Ummm...I may be dumb but maybe upkeep Food and Toolkits to 1 or MORE bases...

Seems like a pretty easy answer here.

[upper cipher]

pretty sure it's 2b

last 5 min every day

[topaz pine]

"And I’m not going to sandbag myself to bring my profit:payment ratio down just to make you happy"

This is Bodhi in a nut shell. He will do everything he can for profit. Fuck everyone else.

[west slate]

yep, so why is mud always dry

[desert beacon]

Yes now that labs is not an option that’s a given.

[upper cipher]

we small, but strong!

[west slate]

actually were just more disorganized

[desert beacon]

Those are two very different statements but you can think what you want

[cyan wraith]

Could have done it before. Sometimes min/maxing for your own personal profit may not be the best for the games long term viability.

[topaz pine]

Labs was never intended to be used as a crafting hub for the final 2 weeks. It was intended to allow people to gracefully exit. Don't think you have some high ground bc you crafted in labs and didnt contribute to food upkeep.

ATMTA fucked themselves because they didnt think of what the selfish players would do. They think better of us. They were wrong again.

[west slate]

the issue is that most of the food and tool kits were supplied by smaller players who got burnt

at least in mud

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[west slate]

and your here extracting at high ratios

[desert beacon]

I crafted food in labs to use for upkeep on based. I have more food in labs to bring to based than anything else by 2x

[upper cipher]

Yawwn been helping for sure

[west slate]

yeah I know

[upper cipher]

but yeah, dry all the time

[cyan wraith]

Novel idea...maybe Bodhi is already too big for the game as it currently stands. Maybe instead of buying more ships every day and pushing more and more people out of the economic side...maybe just switch to POLIS for now if you are deadset on reinvesting???

[upper cipher]

i normally just start a craft or upgrade when i can and pray for the best

seems to work at least half the time

[quartz python]

I was just enjoying my popcorn and some damn spammer had to join

[desert beacon]

If me stopping buying ships is what’s best for the game then I’ll happily accept that option. However i need to hear it from a team member not a community member.

[west slate]

oni has 2 titans there like full time, bodhi is not too big for the game, the issue is more the behavior were seeing

[cyan wraith]

You know it is though...

You just want to keep maximizing your profit. I get that, but you KNOW the answer so don't play like you don't.

[desert beacon]

I have the production capacity of multiple titans.

[cyan wraith]

Titans are VERY ineffective in Based, you do realize right????

[west slate]

so, why is uster one of the lower on the lp end

[desert beacon]

It wasn’t when I was all in ustur

[molten palm]

hi, i need code

[thorny lagoon]

show me on chain where are their crafters? Where those power cells come from, not crafted in Based css for sure

[desert beacon]

It was the top

[upper cipher]

because he dumps in on mud and oni so his boys get a fatter cut in Ustur

duh

[west slate]

still the point is he can still fit

he just choses not to

[desert beacon]

On day 0 I was all In ustur and we were the highest

[topaz pine]

day 0 meant nothing

congrats

[west slate]

then balance more to that and lay off the other factions

[cyan wraith]

Actually that's not the point at all. That's actually the opposite of the point. the point is that he IS too big for the game as is currently stands.

He literally just told you that he has more producn than MULTIPLE Titans...

[desert beacon]

How do you suggest I balance?

[west slate]

he is not the biggest whale though we know that

[fervent abyss]

the issue is the game, it should have some limit to avoid this imo

[quartz python]

Give me half your ships, that should fix the problem.

[cyan wraith]

The biggest extracting in Based.

[desert beacon]

I’ve been the highest production account since the start of labs.

[west slate]

because the rest are being resposnible

[topaz pine]

Ive already suggested that whales need to act a certain way to help preserve the game, e.g. in NFT games whales cant just dump tokens or full extract etc. Bodhi fully denies that he has to ever change his behavior. He is 100% max profits, fuck everyone else.

[upper cipher]

Yeah i said that at one point as well. a DAILY LP submission cap. a good solid high number, but not the billions they are allowed atm

[cerulean hatch]

I thought you guys loved free market principles? Lol. Free to exploit the system comes with it.

[topaz pine]

thats pretty easy to do when you arent providing any food and focusing on 100% extraction

[copper fjord]

yea that was when nobody was in labs and the total for that day was 13,963,156,870 LP, Uster had 800m more than Oni which is peanuts tbh, Uster has not had more LP than ONI since then

[digital osprey]

this is the issue, right here

[cyan wraith]

Seriously??? Just read his messages. He is literally telling you that he is OP in Based.

[desert beacon]

Who’s dumping I’ve been spending not only everything I make back here but also spending what I make outside SA here lol

[digital osprey]

bullshit

[desert beacon]

Ok man it’s not like it can’t see my on chain data

[west slate]

ok, he is using his resources far more productivly then the rest of the whales with more ships then him is what that means

[topaz pine]

It was an example of how whales need to behave. It's not limited to simply token dumping. You have a responsibility to the game.

[west slate]

production is not just the ships its activity and planning

[desert beacon]

Most the other whales are in faction fleet lol

[west slate]

exactly, my point here

[topaz pine]

Victorian Free Market principles say we are also allowed to hang people if they take advantage. you can't have it both ways, sir.

[fervent abyss]

imo he's not doing anything wrong, or against the game, the game is allowing this, devs should consider this case and code some limitation

[desert beacon]

I’m purchasing as many ships as possible I don’t see how that is “bad for the game” if a billionaire bought every ship in the market and rekt the lp pool that would be great as long as he’s here to stay

[topaz pine]

Okay you are right and everyone else is wrong.

[cyan wraith]

Bottom line is that you are playing the game as it was meant to be played (sort of); however at the current size of the player base and how rapidly you continually to extract and add ships, it just cannot support you.

You are ultimately killing it for 95% of the other players which will ultimately kill this game over the long term.

[desert beacon]

Im buying as many ships as I can and playing as hard as I can.

That’s it

[topaz pine]

playing as hard as you can = maximize profits and fuck everyone else over. yes. we know

[copper fjord]

but still not contrinuting food which hurt everyone else in your faction

[cyan wraith]

That's not a good thing though for the longevity of the project. How can you not realize that????

[upper cipher]

I'm stocking food 10k at a time to start a craft, and hoping someone helps it finish

haha

[fervent abyss]

this is good for you, but eventually if a game will not be fun the player base will die and change game

[cerulean hatch]

We’re living in Victorian England? Lol.

[cyan wraith]

Damn...re-reading that message and it is just SO DAMN SELFISH.

[topaz pine]

the game is modeled on victorian capitalism so if you quote capitalism you cant do so in a vaccum

[hardy elm]

A team member will definitely tell you to stop chucking money from the ecosystem into their lap. Yeah that will happen

[desert beacon]

Right

[hardy elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cm-punk-wwe-raw-wrestler-gif-16663655

[cyan wraith]

Not gonna lie, all this is making me think that even as a medium player I will never be able to make it here.

[fervent abyss]

a team member will eventually intervene if game will be unplayable for the rest of the players

[cyan wraith]

Just wait until next week when 95% of the players are making like 100 ATLAS a week! 🤣

[topaz pine]

You will. ROME won't leave anyone behind.

[hardy elm]

I mean the worse part of it is that you've argued for this whole setup and ratios to be possible in playtesting to begin with

and somehow got it through

[topaz pine]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-young-dylan-precisely-absolutely-thats-the-point-gif-23618575

[upper cipher]

yeah, lots of people will say fuck it once this begins

[hardy elm]

as someone who hasnt been a part of it

[desert beacon]

There are two options either upkeep is meta or components. You’d rather upkeep be meta?

[hardy elm]

if that means youre fucking the economics of the system

[desert beacon]

Tools and food are the only thing worth crafting? That’s better to you?

[hardy elm]

the meta is just broken and there should be some intervention

[topaz pine]

how about a balance? its not a fucking 0 or 100.

jfc

[cerulean hatch]

I didn’t quote capitalism. That’s what I was told when I suggested putting limits on people exploiting the LP pools.

[cyan wraith]

I feel that frustration in my bones reading his responses...

[desert beacon]

Your conflating production capacity of larger players with the games upkeep to upgrading mechanics.

[digital osprey]

right now i'm staring at 5.75 million LP for about 1k atlas, lol i just wat to upgrade this damn starbase, not even thinking about profit atm

but that is not sustainable

[topaz pine]

your conflating bullshit with bullshit to make your argument sound coherent but its really just complete bullshit and makes zero sense no matter how often you repeat it

the evidence shows RIGHT NOW That the system is fucked

[upper cipher]

yeah i feel ya bro

[hardy elm]

little 322 ratio

[topaz pine]

TREE extracted $65,000 and contributed $1,500.

[west slate]

mud is always dry and your contributing about 1/3 of the daily lp, explain that

[chilly tinsel]

we should bring back lan parties lol. everyone playing in the same room. if you've got beef, beers come out and you make a circle around the computers irl 🤣

[cyan wraith]

Bodhi, some real talk here. You doubling down on your position and not just simply saying you recognize that things aren't balanced and that the being able to extract the way you do is not good for the long term is a REALLY bad look.

Just be a part of the solution and not the problem is all I think we want here.

[upper cipher]

Thats what i was saying bro. "Whale Fight Night" Live in the octagon

[topaz pine]

@tall lava I hope someone is reading the chat for the last hour and taking notes. You guys want sentiment? Here you go.

[limpid light]

This on aephia?

[copper fjord]

yes

[fervent abyss]

when a single person will have a monopoly on resources and polis voting power, i don't think this is going to be fun to play

[upper cipher]

See the Unseen repping with our sub 10 ratios! Lets go boys

[desert beacon]

We bought 8 tree arrows, 6 c11 dozens on capitals, and 30k xxs… and the bases cost $200 per day to upkeep. what do you expect?

[past sorrel]

and here i am a "small" player reading your comments 😂

[little obsidian]

I've been reading FYI

[topaz pine]

Contribute food.

Do SOMETHING.

[hardy elm]

can Labs get shut off already

[desert beacon]

Yea that’s a given bro. I crafted food in labs for that exact reason. I have to contribute food just like I had to contribute tools.

[cyan wraith]

You could have EASILY supplied the food as well during these couple of weeks to help out. It wouldn't have even been noticed for your bottom line. Would have gone a long way to helping the little guy out and helping your name with minimal cost to you.

[little obsidian]

Labs going away will help ease the situation a bit. Really not looking to get involved in the argument here, though.

[limpid light]

Trying to find this wall of shame

[upper cipher]

someone linked it about 10k msgs ago

[topaz pine]

No need. Just helps to know someone is paying attention.

[lyric nimbus]

but you guys really expect that whales or medium players or other guys in cryptospace especially in P2E games will care about FAIR or smth like that?
i mean even if Bodhi will provide all FOOD in CSS or some SB - he will still extract a lot of Atlas 😄
It's nothing i think
Okay, it will be not Bodhi next time and that whale will not chatting in discord - what will changes? 😄

[upper cipher]

he's looking for the full chart i think

[copper fjord]

https:// flipsidecrypto.xyz/Aephia/star-atlas---economy-xGXyHF?tabIndex=1

[topaz pine]

https://flipsidecrypto.xyz/Aephia/star-atlas---economy-xGXyHF?tabIndex=1

[cerulean hatch]

Where’s the wall of heroes?

[upper cipher]

Thats what i said lol, expecting people to care about anything but profit normally doesnt go in your favor

[topaz pine]

lots of "whales" had good ratios. So yes, not everyone is an extractor.

And yes people do play for their faction.

[upper cipher]

Yeah a couple of you guys are killing it. Us smaller players appreciate that 100%

[cyan wraith]

That's fine, but help the little guy a little bit at least. I mean he could have supplied $1K of Food over these past 2 week while still earning $65K and it would have at least shown he is supporting the game and players at least a LITTLE bit. Goodwill perhaps????

Sort of like a moral/civic duty to help a community you say you care about.

[west slate]

exactly the person contributing 1/3 of the lp in a faction yet that faction is dry for smaller players is the problem here

[desert beacon]

I don’t think I ever contributed 1/3 to a faction.

FYI

[west slate]

mud hits about 6-7 billion a day you contrib about 2 bilion of that every day

so yes 1/3 about

[desert beacon]

That’s not true

I’ve only ever contributed 2b+ when I was all in ustur day one

[lyric nimbus]

yep, but another guy (not Bodhi) will just ignore us next time, all we can expect - that dev will implement tier systems better or smth like that
hope it will help.
I mean i understand your point for sure, but it's more personal about Bodhi, all other guys will do same while system allowed it :>
EXIT LIQUIDITY
Eh, RFR system was good (just need to find balance with SDU cap)

[west slate]

so whats your mud daily contribution

[tight mason]

Do we have to stay for the whole event on April 20 Surge? I only have an hour or so to allot - will I still be getting possible rewards?

[west slate]

or perhaps you should focus more on uster's development

[desert beacon]

One sec

[lyric nimbus]

while we are without combat and fully gameplay i think for a lot of players doesn't matter faction.
I joined MUD only because ONI and USTUR in first days was beasts, really only one reason for me :>

[copper fjord]

It's nominal, if every base is running dry then he hasnt been actively contributing

[molten shell]

To be honest it is the system itself that's fucked up. It makes no gameplay sense and it doesn't have any logic that players need to contribute with food and Toolkits in PUBLIC stations (private, when available is another story)

Stations should have their facilities running. You want to use them by crafting, then you pay a rent/tax over it, perhaps a tad more than currently, if we want to keep emissions balanced.

Upgrading by itself shouldn't need toolkits as well. You are contributing to the cause of the faction, you shouldn't need to pay for it to keep the factories going. That's the faction job.

In this universe, we have FTL tech and colonize the galaxy but then your faction stations are shut because you haven't food or toolkits? Hard to believe.

[west slate]

I mean the lp he supplies

[copper fjord]

ah

[west slate]

I want to know how bad he says his extracting is

[copper fjord]

Maybe we dont actually need a change in the Food burn system, we just need whales to participate...

[desert beacon]

Daily mud

[west slate]

is that lp totals

[desert beacon]

Yes

[upper cipher]

In a faction he's not a part of might i say

annoying af

[desert beacon]

I can’t play a single faction

I’ll rek the pool

[upper cipher]

sure you can, plenty of whales doing it

[cyan wraith]

For just 1 Faction....

[fervent abyss]

yes, probably we need to pay food for crafting based on quantity of items to craft, so i as a small player can craft my small ammount of resources without relying on whales to put a crazy ammount of food in starbase

[west slate]

ok so 1/6 +/- still thats quite a bit for how dry it is

[upper cipher]

you choose not to

[west slate]

yes I know

[cyan wraith]

JFC...how can you not see that you are too big and hurting this game for everyone?

ZERO chance we get mass adoption this way. ZERO.

[west slate]

just that mud is faction that is actually getting hurt more as I think its ligit harder to contribute r4 to oni and he is uster himself

[upper cipher]

yeah, once players get in and get sub 100 atlas daily for their effots, they will say peace the fuck out

and no score to fall back on, cheap ships incoming boys

get them buy orders in

[west slate]

also mud is the faction I have personal data on

[desert beacon]

Ugh I’m tired of repeating myself i have the capacity of multiple titans. I’ve tried being in one faction there’s not enough depth to the lp pools

[fervent abyss]

mass adoption require that star atlas become first a game and after this a way of investing money, at the actual state is just a glorified investing tool, also it require to be accessible (cheap $$) to average ppl to start a game loop without investing a crazy ammount of money

[cyan wraith]

Burn this whole thing down because we are going to zero eventually based on all this. I would rather bring everybody down with me now then let a few get rich while we all cling to false hope and promise...

[cerulean hatch]

I’m mud and haven’t even bothered to claim LP because the system was so F’d. Did it one time. Now at least I know why.

[cyan wraith]

You made yourself too big and now everyone else pays the price. Congrats. Enjoy your rewards as this entire ship sinks...

[west slate]

yep I'm big enough and have enough from labs that I can work around the food/tool issues and contrib at a profit

[upper cipher]

I hear you bro, think we all have. My point is the other guys with a large number of assets are trying to use them properly to make the game enjoyable for all players, not telling you to quit going for profits by any means. Maybe just think things out better for the longevity of the community. We're going to lose players if it continues as is. No way around it

[west slate]

but most smaller then me have a hard time

[digital osprey]

never felt so mid af from another 5k + investment

😆

[desert beacon]

All the liquidity I have has gone to the team. Not sure how that’s “sinking the ship”

[west slate]

the other aspect is the rest of the whales are not pretending to be for the little guy etc

[lost fiber]

To interject for a moment, Is there really any point to play if you have $1k worth of ships when all these venture capital bros are playing with tens and hundreds of thousands? seems pretty poinless honestly.

[upper cipher]

The team can have all the money in the world, without a player base, does it matter?

[mighty lance]

lmao, i have about the same amount in game now and was thinking the same thing

[fervent abyss]

the target of the game is not making the team rich

[hardy elm]

yay the "war chest" has grown

[desert beacon]

I’m not pretending anything I’ve been transparent

[cyan wraith]

Look around. This has been one of the most frustrating exchanges on this Discord I have seen in a while. Blinders on in full effect.

Enjoy the sinking ship...

[hardy elm]

and weve ended up with a game without proper economics thanks to you

ayyy

[digital osprey]

we're fukn crabs bro, these whales and sharks might just take the whole game

[hardy elm]

wp on tripling down on more ships to break it even more

[desert beacon]

What do you mean. Explain how upkeep being the meta would have benefited the situation at all?

[west slate]

lol right I'm here arguing to cap out fraimworks on mud 4 to force you to go to more usefull stations to dump into

[cyan wraith]

You kind of are. You are pretending that you are not hurting the game and it's long term success.

[desert beacon]

I’ve been compounding ships for years

[fervent abyss]

we need free economy, but capped at certain point to avoid too much power in fewer hands

[cyan wraith]

I'm done here today. This has been super eye opening for me.

[mighty lance]

lol, well at least we don't have to worry about how our actions might affect the greater economy

[hardy elm]

and since Labs you have been sucking out everything to the detriment of the game as a whole

[topaz pine]

Mate you say the OPPOSITE of what you mean and do. This is the first time you have been truly exposed.

[jade grotto]

Sup with all this paper hand talk?
I miss something while at work today? lol

[upper cipher]

I wanna know why so many whales in testing. yall buying them spots?

[hardy elm]

Dude youre single handedly wrecking any viable meta anyways

[desert beacon]

I’ve put every drop of liquidity I’ve ever made into SA. Where do you figure I’m sucking out?

[cyan wraith]

Bodhi: "I'm not wrong...everybody else is wrong!"

[hardy elm]

you have a 322 ratio brother

[lost fiber]

A small player like myself not being able to get a question answered through the venture capital bros arguing about 100s of thousands of dollars is emblematic of the game itself lol

[upper cipher]

Out of the other players, not the game, but without the players, is there a game?

[desert beacon]

That’s one account that operates at the same base as mine.

[fervent abyss]

if you going to sell everything, star atlas prices will crash

[west slate]

the catch is if yaawn, tixl ect did this nobody would be bashing on them because they never ran around saying they were the better whale

the fact that they are acting more responsibly is telling

[wet shore]

Well everyone’s playing their own game guys. What’s everyone else’s ratio?

[topaz pine]

10

[wet shore]

Number 60 hall of fame

[hardy elm]

i'd have to look to yaawn since thats where my ships went

as i dont have the time to play myself

[wet shore]

Cause we also gotta remember people still in sage labs

[upper cipher]

Yeah shut labs down already

[wet shore]

It’s only been a week and people are excited and been dumping in the LP. Let’s have a look when they do this next module and see what it looks like in a week.

The problem is with the player count. We have right now is that the burn rate is a little bit off but if they adjust that, I think things will balance out fine.

And then once they roll out the tiered system, it’ll be different as well

[topaz pine]

I think the point here is that Bodhi extracted $65,000 while contributing $1,500. Zero faction gameplay.

[west slate]

nope its been 2 weeks long enough for us to get staticish numbers

[desert beacon]

I contributed as many tools as was needed to upkeep the bases.

[wet shore]

OK, sure with two weeks of gameplay but how much has Bodie contributed over the last three years and you compare 65,000 to his number of ships he has probably over five mil V wap

[cyan wraith]

Stop...just stop.

[next sigil]

Man all I hear is Bohdi this and that.. yall just need to get good and stop whining

[topaz pine]

Okay, lets all start extracting like Bodhi. Entire game will shut down.

[wet shore]

The star base is only can hold a capacity of a certain amount every 12 hours so obviously the ratio would be a little bit off but we also need to look at the bigger picture here. He’s also provided lots of liquidity to the marketplaces and yes, he’s extracting money, but who wouldn’t it’s at a return of investment everybodyplays their own strategy and I think that we need to just stay in our own lanes a little bit

[west slate]

umm you do know that tree afiliated guilds broke from the tree family over this

[wet shore]

Dude, he won’t be able to extract at that rate consistently. Let’s be honest.

[dark seal]

Contributed what you needed to get your own lp*

[topaz pine]

We should have all stayed in Labs. Zero contribution of food. Starbased would be broken for 2 weeks.

[wet shore]

Everybody had a good size inventory going into this, but that will start to taper overtime

[topaz pine]

Lets pull the thread.

If we all played like Bodhi game would be done.

[desert beacon]

I sacrificed a decade of my life to make millions of dollars and put every single penny on my liquidity in SA the. Played thousand(s) of hours in labs.

[wet shore]

Yeah maybe you’re right

[west slate]

nope I'm gaining more in mining then I can put into lp

[wet shore]

Yep I know

[west slate]

if I get more crew that may change but it will take a while

[topaz pine]

and now you are OWED max profits.

[cerulean hatch]

We need combat so we can go to war against this evil galaxy exploiting empire.

[next sigil]

They just mad they aren't doing it.. Anyone can contribute and earn like imagine still whining

[topaz pine]

No need to contribute to your faction

its fine

play the game however you want

fuck everyone else

[hazy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[wet shore]

I think the judgment towards the extraction is a little bit harsh. We’ve gone through a large bear market and people need to also make some money back and risk themselves. Let’s be honest he’s probably gonna end up putting some of it back into the game, which all of usto benefit from

[jade grotto]

gonne be real spicy for sure lol

[next sigil]

ppl getting bent over making money in an alpha is crazy

[desert beacon]

How much food do you have ready to contribute to upkeep?

[lost fiber]

y'all just need to get good and become millionaires 🤡

[topaz pine]

150M

[copper fjord]

he contributes a fair amount

[desert beacon]

I’ve got 600m and it will be used %100 for upkeep

[topaz pine]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-yeah-gif-815126498296623781

[next sigil]

Not saying that .. Saying I'm making mine and I'mm happy with it why can't everyone else be? just greedy cause they arent making that much? I don't ge it

[wet shore]

Well, this is gonna get interesting when combat comes anyway. Look to AEP for new ships skies. I’ll build them for you.

Hahaha

[upper cipher]

Youre fine now, with 10% of the palyers here. Wait till were full and your same efforts net you 100 atlas

[dark seal]

You must be the other guy on wall of shame lol

[upper cipher]

sitll be happy?

[stoic viper]

Don't blame the whales the mechanics have to be resilient enough to cope.

[topaz pine]

Have you even play Starbased? Its faction based cooperation. Everyone needs to help out supplying Starbases.

[lime lichen]

Yo wtf did we do? lol

[desert beacon]

Show me the last time I sold components or consumables on the market. I don’t sell.

[upper cipher]

Pretty sure yall been on that list for a while

haha

[next sigil]

lol I highly doubt I will end end on the lower part when the stats whoe me on top with such a low fleet

top 200 in mining and crafting I doubt I will get 100 atlas a day

[dark seal]

It was all unseen and tree wasn’t it? Ah yeah no wonder dewsky is team bohdi

[toxic apex]

Don’t mind me I am peanut little fish. I am only good for stir shit and x5 and f4s

[lime lichen]

Yea still confused as to the reason lol

[upper cipher]

Nah if you look at that our Ratios are good

check again

[topaz pine]

its sorted by alpha.

[west slate]

unseen's ratios for what they extract are actually fine

[upper cipher]

we just got sent to the top of the list cause the T in "The"

[topaz pine]

my bad on that 🙂

[dark seal]

Wall of shame tho is just players from those two guilds tho no?

[lost fiber]

you're good now, sure.

[dark seal]

Just going off of Twitter

Blame aep

[topaz pine]

nah wall of shame is big

it also double dips

unseen is probably on the good side as well with < 10 ratio

i didnt look at all of their wallets

[stoic viper]

Maybe LP rewards for actions should be dynamic. You should get more LP for performing neglected activities balancing the "meta" automatically.

[upper cipher]

Haha, all good. Im proud of Unseen's Ratios showing there, just dont like the Wall Of Shame right above it lol

[dark seal]

Ah ok I just used what Twitter showed and that’s what I saw lol

Aep gaslighting me

[next sigil]

I have less than a fleet than most 😉

[topaz pine]

yeah they really should seperate the list. everyone is on both

[hardy elm]

just sort by ratios

[upper cipher]

Yeah, Unseen on the Wall of Heroes, dont let um tell you boys different

[dark seal]

I didn’t sort, just used what Twitter fed me

[topaz pine]

i got you

[dark seal]

No time to sort

[dark seal]

Blame aep 😂

I clicked on their post and got what i shared above

[upper cipher]

Yeah wheres @shut bramble We used to blame her for all this type of shit

[dark seal]

All I saw was tree from their post so I assumed bad for you too 😂

#blameaep

[upper cipher]

haha

[limpid light]

The game needs to be balanced I don't really blame bodhi at all for doing what he did. Nobody needed to contribute food at all. Not when labs was opened and the burn rate was atrocious it would have basically been throwing your money in the fire when there was an easy and obvious fix for it. Anybody could have just bought components off market, supplied tools, and profited nicely

[next sigil]

what is the wall of shame anyway

[lime lichen]

#blamecolumnsorting

[next sigil]

That's what happens when investors get mad at gamers when they R better

[limpid light]

Will be different soon now though hopefully and I'm happy. Shouldn't have been whos faction does the worst earns the most😂

[next sigil]

It's ok we will buy all their ships from faction fleet as well

[valid yoke]

Can't see my local inventory in Based

Anyone having the same issue?

[upper cipher]

this has been on and off today,refresh till itworks

[obsidian acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-26949640

reminded me of this video

[thorn swift]

just got a friend request from someone posing as vb, reported. sharing here as an FYI

[slow fog]

was just supposed to check in and catch up.

[wet shore]

Good luck

[cedar compass]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/892512144975872020/1199272379034124368/ezgif-7-f1b7407f7f.gif?ex=6630ae70&is=661e3970&hm=9b8f557a85217c8fbc8df71073cb2eac8b19f2de45aecc9fd1b502c0e2da634c&

[topaz pine]

If you take an action that is "min/max" and if EVERYONE does it, and the game collapses. Then you probably shouldn't be in favor of it.

[dark seal]

#BlameFuncrackerwhomadethepostprobably

[next sigil]

Maybe stop talking about it first

[limpid light]

If the game collapses its a game balance issue

[topaz pine]

Yes. But some of us want the game to survive so we sacrifice profits for it.

[upper cipher]

If youre car is falling apart, you have a choice to fix it or drive it into the ground tho no?

[hardy elm]

#fortheloveofthegame

[next sigil]

You realize this is alpha .. ever changing right.. ok

[topaz pine]

#fortheloveofthegame

[upper cipher]

just keep driving it till it's 100% fucked?

[limpid light]

Thats the thing you shouldn't have to

[west slate]

well yes bodhi is the reason that they are doing the tierd lp thing

[topaz pine]

yeah but unfortunately thats the game we were given

[lime lichen]

#withouttheposttherewouldntbeallthisconvo

[limpid light]

The team needs to see things like this happen so that they can balance it properly and now we get an even better system

[west slate]

so the team is adjusting, still does not change the fact that bodhi is acting irresponsibly for the community

[jade grotto]

I've been through a play 2 earn game crash, this ain't it. js

[desert beacon]

how much of your time and money have yo sacrificed for star atlas? i have put everything in.

[hardy elm]

im just curious, why not compound into Polis instead if you are going to be long SA for instance @desert beacon , clearly you have (more than) enough ships to satisfy any needs

[next sigil]

First week in and ppl whining and getting paid for it lmao

[pulsar oyster]

is it just me or is it not obvious whales are gonna be the ones to gain most from almost any form of economy the game has to offer?

[desert beacon]

thats the plan

[spring sleet]

damn gen chat juicy for once lol

[valid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[upper cipher]

This is life brotha, Rich get richerr

[dark seal]

#butpointisyouputunseennexttotree

[lime lichen]

I need a beer lol

[pulsar oyster]

yeah i mean its not exactly a revelation is it

[jade grotto]

1st thing i did when i seen all this going on haha

[hardy elm]

time to make dinner before the champions league starts

[pulsar oyster]

vamos barca

[upper cipher]

cant think of a single instance when a man with less money was in a better spot than a man with more money

[hardy elm]

not the game im watching

[lime lichen]

#prollyjustreversealphabeticalsortofacolumnnoharmintendedwouldbemyguess

[next sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fallingout-crying-gif-25764357

[pulsar oyster]

yep exatamente

[dark seal]

#tldr?

[limpid light]

I mean airbikes had the highest roi in labs for the entire game cycle sdu farming. Would say that is a pretty beginner friendly being the cheapest ship and everything

[mighty lance]

i wish real world economies and governments could just fight each other with make believe ships and shit talk each other on discord

[pulsar oyster]

you an atleti fan?

[lime lichen]

#ilustopyellingatmeviahashtags

[slow fog]

wait, combat dropped?

[valid yoke]

I'll say this. Screwing the whole community pretty much for personal gain after standing on the battlefield with them for 3 years is messed up..... But it's not any one person's fault in reality. The exploit was massively obvious and somehow it got past the team. That's on the team this time. I got nothin but love for them but this was a pretty big mistake on their part

[mighty lance]

not yet, but it seems players are ready for it 😆

[pulsar oyster]

more rational view sir well done

[slow fog]

wait till they find out bhodi is a cracked gamer…lol

[topaz pine]

its called twitter

[gloomy elbow]

Rudi guliani springs to mind..

[next sigil]

wait buying stuff and turning it in isnt an exploit last I checked

[desert beacon]

ill just hire some prodigy

[limpid light]

I mean maybe I wouldn't call it screwing the entire community when majority were still crafting in labs which was the smart thing to do

[topaz pine]

majority wasnt in Labs actually

[mighty lance]

haha true, but unfortunately the wars only "feel" make believe for the people starting them not for the people fighting in them

[valid yoke]

Labs being still up is part of what created this whole problem. But it's only one small peice

[hardy elm]

im not really a fan of any clubs still in , but one of my best friends is for BVB

[pulsar oyster]

nice

[slow fog]

i’m like…wtf is he shooting me for? i’m exploring. waited for you on the c11 and had to tap out. nice play. was fun

[desert beacon]

we need global chat to find eachother

[hardy elm]

some more SEA slavery , uhm i mean scholarships , incoming

[slow fog]

agreed. prox chat maybe

[next sigil]

No we need an actual deathmatch arena.. not the showroom

It's too big

[slow fog]

we have that

[desert beacon]

agreed

[lyric saddle]

Rent to own

[next sigil]

I meant for surge

[slow fog]

just a huuuuge map with causal partitioning which seems to have interesting mechanics

[slow fog]

3v3v3 in the bot battle arena would be tits

[next sigil]

What I really want is FPS not TPS

or at least an option to have game mode in different views

[lyric saddle]

Honestly I think a community team ships that first

[slow fog]

yeah. hard to adjust. cam angle fucked when you switch from fps

[lyric saddle]

Team has said they didn't go fps because it's much harder

[slow fog]

all the different assets to render i think

[west slate]

third persion baseline is better for the rpg aspects as well, so fps would be a massive waste of time to blanace etc

[toxic apex]

FedEx is an all faction all guild , friendly business. Kinda like your neighbourhood shop !

[slow fog]

shit is getting spicy. combat will smooth shit out.

[limpid light]

tps has higher skill gap I'm all for it over fps

[wet shore]

Well when you say slay Aephia that means me.

Better watch out my boy

[slow fog]

think fps higher. no corner peek in fps

[cyan wraith]

Only whales had the crafter numbers to support this. Another example of how imbalanced it was and how it excludes smaller players.

[slow fog]

darn, more big baddies to worry about

[limpid light]

Exactly higher skill gap knowing how to play angles and swap shoulders, when to peek when not to peak

[toxic apex]

Why so serious today Mando. Who upset you

[limpid light]

The % stays the same no matter how many crew you have

[slow fog]

interesting take. most esport games are fps. but whatevs

[desert beacon]

The ones you have to worry about are the ones that you don’t know

[wet shore]

I’m just bugging you

[west slate]

not exactly the more crew the more your able to balance and have a direct craft pipeline

[limpid light]

Fortnite is the highest skill gap game I have ever played and its tps

[cyan wraith]

You can't craft in Labs and install upgrades in Based to earn LP unless you have big numbers. And small players can't just move back and forth and warp tp the active base to make it happen.

[wet shore]

I think everyone shouldn’t be passing judgement. Everyone has their own play style.

[slow fog]

the ones to worry about are reading reports from their moles. as they sit and wait to send their thousands of web2 players to invade our game one day lol

the report today would be interesting

[wet shore]

Bro I hope that happens.

[limpid light]

I never crafted in labs anyone can buy off market and sub

so % stays the same

I am literally running my one friends 254 ruches for him and making him more than he was in labs sdu scanning

[slow fog]

but that’s just fan fiction. nothing like that is happening

[west slate]

web 2 gamers are mostly "but nft bad", any web 2 gamer that understands crypto is already watching this space and likely at some level participating

[valid yoke]

Things will get easier with the usage cost reductions on Starbases after today

[slow fog]

apex and val for me. love fort. just don’t like weapons with bloom…recoil patterns ya know

[limpid light]

With 100k cargo space you could be doing just as much as what I am doing with my fleet

[slow fog]

who knows. maybe your wish will come true

[cyan wraith]

You are supplementing his Ruchs though and using them as crafters.

[toxic apex]

U know I openly worship you and @dense sky , bestest in AEP and get my votes too !

[wet shore]

That’s what I like to hear

Haha

[random rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-meme-girl-uhmmm-what-gif-25262488

[wet shore]

It’s okay to be jealous

[random rapids]

It's sad to read this whole conversation. #freeplay

After labs go down, upkeeping css and SB will change

[wet shore]

Yeah a lot of hate. Not really right in my opinion. @desert beacon has sacrificed more than almost anyone here.

[random rapids]

Totally agree

[limpid light]

He would have to buy like a packlite or an om and be able to do just as much himself

[wet shore]

It’s okay for him to extract out of this. He deserves it and he’s playing his own game.

[random rapids]

People can do what they want. And this wall of Shame. It’s SHAME

[hardy elm]

ah he put in some $ he has so thats fair game to just wreck the economics

okay

[serene willow]

Would be nice if people just looked for opportunities, instead of pointing fingers. I 5x my fleet during Labs doing that. Anyone can as well. 🙏

[valid yoke]

@hazy hedge Can you report that there's some issues in Labs please?? Trying to pull out my last few resources and the whole thing is freaking out atm

[lyric saddle]

Yeah it's not about all or nothing

[hardy elm]

but if a poor person put in all his money

[wet shore]

It’s not shame. Its statistics based off a week and a half of a launch when there was also another module going on it’s not even a good full analysis. Let’s wait until the actual stuff gets cut off and they adjust some stuff.

[hardy elm]

he still cant be profitable exactly because of the current stuff

[zinc thorn]

Hi all. Any chance someone shares latest data for Ships? I need cargo details for latest Ships.. what is the cargo capacity of Sledbarge? Thx

[random rapids]

I think the same things. We just need wait 24 hours and SB are really live.

[lime lichen]

Wen Econ update to based

[dark seal]

608k

[serene willow]

There's a google docs. I can't link it

[zinc thorn]

Thanks and Does it move faster when subwarping than others?

[valid yoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfzW3uiqkbnfJexBysh0MAzZYRhiRwQg8WlsFWfuKgs/edit#gid=205337066

[dark seal]

Thanks

[serene willow]

Starbased didn't start yet.
We had a crazy "Atlas Bonanza" for 2 weeks. Now it starts

Skewed data with Labs still on. Nothing reflected actual numbers.

[serene willow]

It's quite slow...

[full crater]

man those were some tasty RFR's last night

[valid yoke]

All ships considered "tranport/hauler" tend to be slow as dirt

[slow fog]

i’m pretty sure the team will try to make adjustments. or just drop combat and let it sort itself out

[cyan wraith]

That's exactly my point. He couldn't do it on his own so he isn't really making more just with his Ruchs. He's making more with his Ruch's thanks to you helping with your transports.

[desert beacon]

Teach me your ways

[serene willow]

🙈

Closed loops, efficiency on fleet composition, and currently, the most important element: private RPC. 🤣

[dark seal]

Just change a few decimals on the excel

[desert beacon]

I started with $3500 during Covid I didn’t just take my silver spoon and dump it here. Blood sweat and tears is what I put into Sa.

[serene willow]

Was a little bit easier on Labs. Not many options. Just RFR non-stop, mining everything for it, and balancing ship count towards closing the loop.

[rich steeple]

wen food CSS

[serene willow]

Now on Based it will be interesting to explore the many possibilities towards efficiency.

[hardy elm]

well that was also after your however many x on axie you got

where you obvs also exploited the system

[serene willow]

The real question is: wen upkeep rebalance?!

[coral crater]

Any update regarding FOOD upkeep?

[coral crater]

lol, we asked the same question

[cyan wraith]

Wait what? You had over $1M invested in ships during COVID....

[hazy hedge]

Can you give more context?

[desert beacon]

I did the same in Axie. I worked 18+ hours a day. Paying scholars out of pocket so I could scale .

[rich steeple]

probably late this week for upkeep

[serene willow]

I think upkeep change wasnt delayed

[valid yoke]

All the resources have no names, and it was giving me a ton of trouble transferring anything out for a minute

[serene willow]

Just the tiered Atlas emission was

[valid yoke]

Not sure what that means....

[desert beacon]

I had exactly 1btc when Covid hit and it was worth $3500.

[hardy elm]

that still doesnt really equal "started w so little" in SA at the start of the greatest bullrun weve seen

[desert beacon]

Where is your evidence for that?

[rich steeple]

could be.. but still I wouldn't expect it yet as devs seems to have lots on their plate with the decommisioning

[topaz pine]

Its a logical fallacy that because you contributed X that means you are right. Its completely irrelevant. You arent owed ANYTHING.

[lyric nimbus]

general today good

[hardy elm]

youve mentioned yourself you were a gigantic scholarship pusher through axie plenty of times

[desert beacon]

I lived out of cars and tents for a decade so I could take risks and invest in myself with what little money I had and could make.

[topaz pine]

that means nothing

[hazy hedge]

But it fixed itself for you?

[topaz pine]

None of us is comparing our life stories dude

[hardy elm]

so? youve lived through the biggest bullrun in the past 5 decades while having as little expenses as possible you mean

[topaz pine]

Good for you that you survived some oppresive times but its not even remotely relevant. Should we all bust out our personal lifes too?

[rich steeple]

btw there aren't many new possibilities, feels like meta is just to focus on 1 single resource

[valid yoke]

Not fully, I was able to get some stuff out but the lists are still broken, it prompted me to pull my hauler ships out for now to wait for the solution as I was worried about my ships getting locked up somehow

[tired remnant]

is it true you were a starbased tester and actually fought for this LP system to be implemented, if so then you actually exploited the game with full inteation to only benefit yourself. Being a Whale does come with responsibilities, you want max extraction fine but do it so by helping the factions. That was a really low move by Tree

[upper cipher]

I'm proud of all you whales! Exactly where every investor is trying to get to. Can i just ask that all of you help make this game great/greater in any way you possibly can??? PLEASE.

[serene willow]

I already found 3 different ones... 🙈 (And THAT'S how I 5x)

[desert beacon]

The lp structure wouldn’t change the relative amount of lp I get

It would just change the meta from upgrading to upkeep

What benifit would that have?

[modest vault]

yeah but like why not just make RFR if u were gonna dump everything into nodes other factions didn't care about?

idgi

[rich steeple]

yeah not sure where you find them or you sure we even play the same game? 😄

[valid yoke]

My way of making the game greater is by shrugging off as much drama as possible

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-drama-shield-shield-no-feelings-bounce-that-shit-gif-12692454

[west slate]

it would have the benifit of smaller players being able to feel like they are participating and have equal access

[modest vault]

Small players just need to unionize against whales and wreck them when combat comes

[desert beacon]

I did craft rfr. Up Till the day based launched

[upper cipher]

It'scoming bro

[serene willow]

Different resource loops. As in, buying one thing to focus mining on another. Crafting something instead of something else. It's there... And there are somewhat substantial differences between all possibilities.

[tired remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-aye-gif-25597467

[desert beacon]

If upkeep was meta then you would just have larger players maxing out the upkeep and botting the deposit. By the time smaller players transported food and tools to a base a bigger player with a dozen sledbarges would have already warped out and maxed it

[bright harness]

There will be a day where we will exploit whales

[modest vault]

can't believe Bodhi rallied a system where depositing >>>>>>>>>upkeep

[digital osprey]

define small, i feel like a shrimp with 2 large ships right now, sorry crab

[modest vault]

they don't need to be so asymmsterical

[desert beacon]

Tell me how upkeep > upgrading would benifit smaller players over upgrade>upkeep

[modest vault]

no one said it would

but

I said

not >

[rich steeple]

ah yeah the basics 😄 but I mean like right now most efficient is to literally just farm one compenent and then depends - trade for LP (take a bit more profit in turn of crafting time) or sell to somebody who is only commiting to LP

[modest vault]

u lobbied for a system where upkeep is just horrible

[wintry berry]

so SA had 1000% apr in labs ??

[toxic apex]

It should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+*#^}+{^]+]={^<<<>>€¥>%{^]%]**>>>>>>>

[desert beacon]

I didn’t ask them to be asymmetrical. They were way too far the other way to the point that the meta was just to flood upkeep and bot that process and only upgrade in order to increase burn rate. What benifit would that have been?

[tired remnant]

and that's the problem, he knew the benefits of it

[modest vault]

mate no one is saying make upkeep worth 4x the other stuff

but atm the other stuff is like 10x upkeep

and u abused it as much as possible

[bright harness]

https://tenor.com/view/imbalanced-arun-maini-mrwhosetheboss-not-balanced-lacking-balance-gif-25480861

[modest vault]

it's fine tho every1 can play their own game

[desert beacon]

That’s what it was lol. Which is why I said we can’t have it that way. I didnt say make upkeep worthless.

[modest vault]

Combat is coming

[desert beacon]

I said don’t make upgrading worthless

[modest vault]

This is just ur word

which I doubt anyone is giving credibility

[spring sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-ready-ready-preparing-war-ready-to-fight-gif-15967082

[rich steeple]

haha I was actually complaining here about test players even BEFORE based went live. I knew they will have unfair advatange over regular players and now it seems to be true

[upper cipher]

MUD coming after some ustur ass in combat, i promise that

[tired remnant]

Upgrade should have been carried to combat, I would laught if that happened, keep upgrading Bodhi 😂

[spring sleet]

combat not even here and discord in an uproar

cant wait till combat lmaoo

[tired remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-markiplier-dance-markiplier-pirate-dance-a-heist-with-markiplier-jerma985-gif-25346053

[west slate]

why do you think he is focusing on place we don't care about

as its just in case

[desert beacon]

What difference would it make if it wasn’t true? Regardless of the lp structure I’m going to make a relatively equal lp. Lowering the benefit to upkeep only increases the cost of doing business. Out of all players the whales have more too lose by failing to upkeep so that responsibility is weighted towards the bigger players.

[desert beacon]

I’m focusing on places that are closer.

[serene willow]

Ok, let's trash Starbased.
#WeWantRFRBack

[west slate]

you could at least upgrade carbon, copper for us so we don't have to do that later

food is lowest on the priority

[desert beacon]

I’ll certainly upgrade wherever it makes the most sense.

[rich steeple]

you're late to that party, we've been trashing based for weeks now 😄

[west slate]

for uster it seems

[desert beacon]

I’ve been at the same bases lol

I would love to be in a single faction

Like I was on day 1

[lyric nimbus]

[west slate]

pushing to the least valuble sb for rival factions is still working for your faction

[serene willow]

Simple solution: 4.5m total emissions. Spread across the board. No more 1.5/faction

[rich steeple]

when I checked the econ report I instantly knew that Ustur is going to be most profitable, it was already in the numbers 😄

[dark seal]

Delete this before the team sees 😂

[valid yoke]

That's the smartest thing anyone has said in weeks

[west slate]

the tiered system actually is potentially better

[valid yoke]

😛

[tired remnant]

can you focus in MRZ4 please 😂

[west slate]

but yeah its a decent idea, lets see what the team rolls out for the tiers

[upper cipher]

Yeah this is needed imo, this will actually help the smaller players earn more when the whales submit more lp

hope it comes soon

a lot of the bitching will slow down i think

[serene willow]

Tier won't do crap

[rich steeple]

do we even know how the "tiers" work? 😄

[serene willow]

It will just create tiered barriers to prevent sandbagging

[desert beacon]

I’m open to it what’s the benifit of that over 3 tho?

[upper cipher]

1x, 2x, 3 x so they said

[hardy elm]

tiering will just make em split fleets into 50 different wallets lets be real

[west slate]

nah don't think thats the idea, the tier is about total lp hitting thresholds then increasing the total pot, idividual contrib is still the same

[serene willow]

It will literally do nothing. We will always hit max tier, as it should be design towards to, to reach 4.5m.
Absolutely nothing changes, except it prevents people depositing the very minimum possible and waiting until last minute.

[west slate]

they would be able to increase the total pot though

[serene willow]

They won't

[west slate]

ie no more rfr, faction fleet going down etc

[serene willow]

The 4.5m is a safe economical value

[rich steeple]

yeah I also understood that tiers are based on total contribution so basically it will not change anything

[upper cipher]

They havnt said the numbers will stay at 4.5m either

[tired remnant]

it's closer to 9 and 5 plus 4 is hydrogen and ammo 😅

[upper cipher]

or what it takes to reach each tier

could be higher rewards

[west slate]

we don't know that, this is still below the actual curve

[serene willow]

They were literally saying emissions needed to decrease, from an average of 6.5m/day, to the desired 4.5m (considering score/Labs vs. Based).

[west slate]

also during the btc frenzy more liquidity will help the price from spiking up

[desert beacon]

Makes sense.

[upper cipher]

yeah but you have to add the emissions from score depreciation too, imo

no?

[serene willow]

They want redeemables down the line. Can't do that on top of crazy high emissions.

[hardy elm]

claimstake markets down for anyone else?

[rich steeple]

don't do it, I spent an hour arguing with jith about this 😄

[upper cipher]

lol

[hardy elm]

getting the "This item is not available to trade yet"

[serene willow]

That's the average. We were at 5-6 from labs, + 2 from score. Went to 4.5 + 1, and now 4.5 + 0

[hardy elm]

nvm its loaded in

[west slate]

its about the emissions cap, the actual emissions release is diffrent, the point is it has a ton of space to grow

[serene willow]

I don't have a stop button... 🙈🤦🏻‍♂️

[upper cipher]

I'm curious to see what happens, they've already stated that the tier system is coming, i want to see the numbers before i write it off

i honestly think it could solve some issues if not abused

[rich steeple]

oh shit here we go again 😄

[west slate]

a tiered system will likely increase the total potential pot a bit

[serene willow]

I like the tier system. Butnit doesn't fix shit. It addresses a different problem

[upper cipher]

One problem at a time

[serene willow]

The absolute ONLY way to prevent whales from multi-factioning is to abolish the faction-split emissions.

They won't split if rewards aren't split. Nothing to chase, so go play your faction. Literally as simple as that.

[tired remnant]

The whole marketplace is down

[rich steeple]

yeah I agree with this. Right now the game was meant to be about faction collaboration but we actually fight our own faction for LP gains, nobody even shares food anymore 😦

[hardy elm]

works again for me now

other than the bad prices i guess

[serene willow]

It's so sooooo bad. It's not as if they tested it. Oh, no, wait...

[hardy elm]

not getting undercut

[tired remnant]

works now lol

[mint crystal]

I saw that!

[serene willow]

I feel like we're always chasing our tails, and always because of a poorly implemented 1st step.
Scanning is the best example.

[hardy elm]

nuh uh

[hardy elm]

nvm its coming on, they just pulled the stake

yep there she is

[serene willow]

Our entire economy relied on a completely flawed mechanic, for months... And we kept polishing the turd.

[hardy elm]

jokes on them i can just dump into their other wallet on the buyside directly

[serene willow]

FINALLY it's going away. But now we have this LP monstrosity.

[rich steeple]

absolutely agree

[west slate]

this is not about whales malfunctioning though, its about overall extraction those are 2 different problems as food/tool is at a flat loss over everything elese

[rich steeple]

funny part was that after day 2 shitstorm everybody went back to home (read labs) 😄

[west slate]

ie if whales were adding in food/tool in a comparable amount and acting in good faith with the alt factions there would not be a problem

[serene willow]

Totally agree. I like it being skewed towards upgrading rather than upkeeping, but not a 10-1 ratio

[mint crystal]

I haven't kept up as much as I would like - has an alternative system been proposed?

[serene willow]

I'd start with no more faction split emissions

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[serene willow]

Or even...

A common pool, and a % split

[spring bridge]

do we have a timeframe for the old labs deprecation??

[serene willow]

Like, 3m is evenly distributed, then 500k each faction.

Now, good luck calculating that

[rich steeple]

not really, just few small changes are coming but that won't fix the mechanic

[serene willow]

It's scanning all over again.

[rich steeple]

somehow feels even worse

[serene willow]

We will limp towards combat, and cheer on it, forgetting how broken the system was until then. Only to then find combat is also broken! And we keep repeating it...
(Ok, I'm grumpy about it all, perhaps. But it's so soooo bad as it is now).

[mint crystal]

This helps with the "fighting against your own faction" aspect, I think. Doesn't do much for minnows being able to contribute in a meaningful way, though.

[serene willow]

Another way would be maybe, a fixed reward each time a base levels up

Distributed evenly towards contibutions

[rich steeple]

dafuk Solana 😄

[serene willow]

But this one is easily exploitable, maybe

[upper cipher]

Gonna be a hard sell on this one. People have been making daily income for years now

[serene willow]

Solana has really been playing people lately

[mint crystal]

The problem I'm having is the crew bottleneck, a complex action chain, and no real way to shorten it through collaboration.

[waxen raven]

I did 20 seconds today

[serene willow]

Yeah, been trying to wrap my mind around how it could be different though

[upper cipher]

Yeah being able to have like 4 or 5 players from your guild work on the same install would be awesome

[serene willow]

Maybe have "tasks"

People "deposit" crew, and once a certain quota is reached, a task starts

And it consumes all costs associated

This would maybe allow people to "deposit" as little as 1 crew

[upper cipher]

When these SDU changes coming?? Still on for today??

[rich steeple]

but it would never start

nobody wants to be first to lock their assests

[serene willow]

Make it small

With proportional rewards

[rich steeple]

then people are left out maybe

[serene willow]

Like, slots.

Let's say, there's 1m tasks to be done, and each involves 100 crew.

[mint crystal]

I wonder if LP rewards could be split more evenly somehow. Upgrading is a collaborative effort. It requires mining, crafting, transportation, and installation. Yet only the installer gets LP.

[serene willow]

If a whale yeets, there's still plenty 100 crew slots left.

[serene willow]

Yeah, this is a tricky one

Maybe upgrades could happen using accumulated XP, from all areas

You spend XP in it

This allows scanners to contribute, miners too, etc.

(just a crazy brainstorm here)

But then again... They need to sell crew. And for that, crew needs to be a meta.

[river gate]

Anything going on with faction fleet? Doesn’t show up nor does my inventory load on the site

[patent iris]

And it's part of the game to wage war against people that aren't operating within the boundaries

If people want to be selfish extractors, they should expect retaliation.

I think some players have failed to understand the game.

[haughty spindle]

🤔

Seems fine to me

The rest gets paid

[serene willow]

To be fair, the way it is, it kinda effectively trickles down

[haughty spindle]

Exactly this 👍

[serene willow]

Cause crafters could just not craft if no one was mining

[desert beacon]

upkeep for a base costs $200 per day. if someone making $400 per day upkeeps a base on his own then he will be at 1:1. if someone making $800 per day upkeeps a base on his own his ratio will be 3:1 the current sytems caps the amount you can contribute, to expect more contribution than is what is necessary to upkeep a base makes no sense

[serene willow]

Now, that being said, don't know about the actual balance and tweeking on resources emissions, for example.

[mint crystal]

It just feels weird not not be able to "complete" the game loop. The only way a smaller player can really come out ahead is to just ... not participate in half of the game. And it doesn't feel like you're contributing to your team.

[haughty spindle]

@desert beacon My compliments to you ser. You've been saint in your responses throughout this entire bashing session. Respect!

[patent iris]

Let's not confuse the issue.

Making Atlas from gameplay is one thing.

Exploiting the game design by faction jumping...
And not supplying SBs because you're too selfish and trying to min-max every Atlas is another.

[haughty spindle]

You can't complete the work to create one of the Upgrade components, you mean?

[rich steeple]

yes that is very true, right now small player should only sit in CSS, buy raw from MP and then craft and sell back to MP.

[haughty spindle]

If you really can not, then I understand it may feel that way. I guess it would make sense to work towards being able to do so hen for future purposes

[desert beacon]

i would prefer to be in a single faction like i was on day 1

[haughty spindle]

At this point it does not really matter if you get ALTLAS through LP, or just on the market by someone who gets the LP

[rich steeple]

good start for based would've been if CSS started from level 2. That would've actually fixed many difficulties we face right now

[mint crystal]

Right. The "meta" for a smaller player is probably just to mine and sell on the open market. They could complete the loop, but it's really complicated.

1. Transport mining supplies
2. Mine resources
3. Disband fleets to craft
4. Craft components
5. Install components

And that's assuming somebody else is taking care of upkeep.

[rich steeple]

for that you need to be strong medium player, small player we talk about 10-20 xxs perhaps

[mint crystal]

The minumum requirements to form balanced fleets to handle all that puts it out of range for smaller players.

[topaz bison]

Anyone else seeing an issue with Faction Fleet and Claim Stakes on the website?

[haughty spindle]

You can flip it though. You could mine some, and buy other resources. Will still have to do the crafting, that is true.
But I think that is fine. You want the XP as well I guess

[serene willow]

What to do in Based when no base shows up inventory?

Gaaaaah

[mint crystal]

Perhaps. If I just want to "play the game" though, it's pretty tricky.

[waxen raven]

Guys i'm putting 10 more secs in 8 minutes in ustur css. just be ready , and don't wait anything from whales

[serene willow]

Lol

Shrimps, just wait until upkeep rebalance

[haughty spindle]

You seem to equal "just playing the game" with having to be able to upgrade, but that is just a belief of sorts you have 😅

You can't do everything

Especially as the game grows bigger

[rich steeple]

I've seen it... It was caused by very long load times, waiting helps

[serene willow]

F

[waxen raven]

It's Dad , Shrimps is supposed to be my DAC, just trying to give the example

[serene willow]

Ohhhh

[rich steeple]

Hungry Oni here, wishing you to have a good feast

[serene willow]

Ok. Sorry, Dad.

And that sounded weird

[haughty spindle]

This is really not a weird scenario for an average player I would say. Of course automating it may be more difficult at this point in time 😉
(not bashing, not sure, still have to set it up)

[haughty spindle]

Hey Dad 🙂

[serene willow]

Ha, Quicknode was messed up. Triton did it

[mint crystal]

I agree! And that's actually my point. Individuals (generally) won't be able to do everything on their own, yet we're missing that collaborative component.

If I want to mine resources and contribute to my faction, I can't really do that with the systems available.

[rich steeple]

but that's absurdly inefficient, it's much more efficient to just do 1 action. Like mine copper, or craft electromagents and put all your effort into doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over .... again

[desert beacon]

How much food do you have stocked up to contribute to upkeep?

[haughty spindle]

The systems available being the Marketplace? 🤔 Or what systems are you looking for?
You can also band up with your DAC and divide and conquer? Unsure what you mean here

[serene willow]

Labs made it possible to diversify more, I agree.

[haughty spindle]

How is that inefficient? 🤔
You mine 6 hours, you craft 18... Doing one or the other exclusively does not make things more efficient

[hardy elm]

how come this is your most frequent question to people when you havent done any contributing of food at all

[serene willow]

Me as an example. I was full circle closed on RFR, except for crystals.

[haughty spindle]

Of course, your crafting could be very inefficient, that I would understand

[desert beacon]

We’ve had labs.

[hardy elm]

you want to show your 600m food that badly?

[haughty spindle]

So, you want to mine exlcusively, that is fine. Work together, or sell on the marketplace 🙂

[waxen raven]

Synchronize your crafts at ustur css now, 20 more seconds coming

[desert beacon]

If I sell food, call me out. I will publicly apologize. Until then the only logical explanation for me having it is to contribute to upkeep

[rich steeple]

try to mine with small fleet, carry all the stuff over and then craft it, and imagine doing it all manually. You can maybe mine 2h per day, haul stuff for 2 h per day and then craft the stuff over night and when the hell do you deposit that shit back to SB?

[mint crystal]

Yes, through Marketplace. I can sort of make a trade with a specific person/faction through Marketplace, but not precisely. And yes, we could set up some OTC stuff - but that's a system/function that I'd love to see provided within the core platform.

[serene willow]

Guys, let's agree on one thing: Starbased didn't start yet. Until now, it was a shitshow sponsored by Labs still open. Let's give it another week.

I'm sure we'll come back here and still complain, though. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[rich steeple]

10 times easier to just, mine 1 thing or craft 1 thing, you make 5x the profits

[haughty spindle]

So you are saying you'd need more advanced automation, because you can't play the game that intensively? 😉

[cunning bridge]

marketplace not working for shit either

been trying too sell

[rich steeple]

most people can't play intensively

[waxen raven]

in 1 min posting

[haughty spindle]

I am not arguing with your point. I am trying to understand it. But as this is a game, I can't really put much value in people complaining it would cost them too much time either tbh 😅

[waxen raven]

Happy crafting 😉

[haughty spindle]

Then do less, do something else

[haughty spindle]

Ah, you want OTC. Ok, that makes sense 👍 That would indeed be very helpful

[past knoll]

… because the „central“ space station lies abandoned and smallies can’t ship stuff around to craft elsewhere 😉

[mint crystal]

Or "local markets", I think is the term that's been used.

[waxen raven]

Hey!

[haughty spindle]

Those are coming of course 🙂 Just a litle longer!

[rich steeple]

try to make this margin with 20xxs worth of ships

show me how you do the whole loop

and earn even CLOSE to that

you will forever be stuck on hauling the shit back and forth

[haughty spindle]

Oh the market atm is totally crazy. And that will become worse

But that is because we are changing the whole Economy atm

[cunning bridge]

should I try later or not worth it for a day or two?

[haughty spindle]

Perhaps Copper is not the best at this moment then

[haughty spindle]

Try later, should work

[rich steeple]

Iron has even better margin, fuel is abosutely bonkers

[cunning bridge]

cool cool ty

[patent iris]

9 figures

[mint crystal]

I think that's a pain point right now. People want to play the game - they want to mine and craft and upkeep and upgrade, but they'd basically have to pay to do it. And while it's interesting, it's not yet fun enough to pay for the privilege of engaging in those activities. 🤓

[haughty spindle]

Yeah, that I can follow. The economy is going through a bit of upheaval atm. When we're one the other end things will look very different.

No two ways about it

Can't really help that either

[cunning bridge]

I think if you look at it as paying for activities its goona distain the feeling off the bat but if you look at it as a positive investment maybe your opinion could change 🙂

[haughty spindle]

At least now that old Labs and FF are gone, it will accelerate

[desert beacon]

they are distributed?

[mighty lance]

i feel like css shouldn't require upkeep for that reason

[haughty spindle]

Oh sorry, I misunderstood :-D. You are making a good return on Copper. Enjoy while it lasts!

So, your argument is that doing other things to upgrade SB would yield less

[thorny lagoon]

maybe the beta testers did not account for that 🤷‍♂️

[haughty spindle]

I'm missing the problem here then 😄

Then don't upgrade!

[fluid geyser]

Are FF and labs already closed?

[haughty spindle]

That is just a benefit you have atm

[haughty spindle]

Nope! Not yet

[rich steeple]

even in the future for small player I don't see much change regarding the gameplay loop even if economy stabilizes, it will still be best to just sit in CSS and craft, no fuel/ammo/food needed also crafting is automated and you can choose the time.

[onyx furnace]

Hi,anyone know the crago capacity for the shipit?

[tired remnant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cfzW3uiqkbnfJexBysh0MAzZYRhiRwQg8WlsFWfuKgs/edit#gid=205337066

[tired remnant]

That sounds like LABS lolol

[haughty spindle]

Maybe the Beta testers were not asked to comment on Econ stuff, but were asked to test mechanics instead.....

[mighty lance]

yeah, and if you're so small that all you have is 1 xxs ship, you really don't want to spend all day manually mining or scanning or even running your computer all day and night for automation - starting out as a css crafter just makes sense

[rich steeple]

well in labs it was probably better to scan for SDUs but now that's gone

[desert beacon]

Oh i thought you meant a billion. I have %1 of the circulating food supply set aside for upkeep. if i sell any of that then go head and call me out, and i will publicly apologies for lying about that being %100 used for upkeep. otherwise i dont want to hear about not contributing when i've got ~$10k worth of consumable set aside specifically for upkeep

[haughty spindle]

What is this nonsense of harassing the testers all of a sudden?

[haughty spindle]

I 100% doubt that.

[thorny lagoon]

I am just jealous I was not invited

[haughty spindle]

But we'll see

[haughty spindle]

Ok, I can take that

[tired remnant]

I wonder why Pirates can't beta test

[haughty spindle]

Let's see what the new SDU scanning mechanics bring 🙂

[haughty spindle]

Who says they can't? 🙂

[pulsar oyster]

cant see any of my assets to craft? unknown cargo is it borked again?

[fervent abyss]

betatester should be picked equally from shrimps and whales to have agood balance and view on economy

[tired remnant]

Not a whale only I small fish in the sea 😂

[haughty spindle]

Who says that is not the case now? 🙂

[rich steeple]

yeah currently it seems like whales decided what the game should look like based on their best interests, gaining unfair advantage

[haughty spindle]

That makes no sense whatsoever tbh. The team made those decisions, not players, let alone whales

Testers include folks small to big

And the Econ team is not stupid either

I think people are interpreting the current situation as how the next few months will be. But we're in the middle of a messy transition. Things will stabilize. Secondary Market profits will go down if they are sky high now, and go up, if they are in the gutter (likely).

[limpid light]

Hmmm thats new

[haughty spindle]

Haha, team needs to hide some stuff I guess 😉

But you can at least see they are busy will the roll-out

[desert beacon]

all I see is crew

[limpid light]

Looks like its fixed already lol

[modest vault]

It isn't at all

[vernal veldt]

Just realized. All things seems clear now.

[modest vault]

If the current base levels carried forward

That would be a great deterrent for multi factioning

[granite jungle]

Is based a whale game ??

[lyric saddle]

[pulsar oyster]

how do i fix this unknown cargo shit

[desert beacon]

larger players earn more per hour and have more convienience, smaller players earn more from an apy % persective but have to be more active

[granite jungle]

Okej, a whale game then ..

[normal finch]

No, the CSS absolutely should require upkeep. The reason that there is no food or tool kits in the CSS is because there’s no incentive to do so. Once Sage labs is deprecated, food and tool kits will be injected.

[wintry berry]

yes

[desert beacon]

We do not discourage large investments. We even have ships worth over a million dollars

[digital osprey]

Goddam 15 pro max has me butt calling people on discord lol anyways yeah do I liquidate my tiny fleet that will never break even??? 🤔

j/k

[haughty spindle]

No ser.

[west slate]

the catch is it does not need to break even, if you can sell it for what you got it for anything is profit

expecting super profits is not realistic

[west slate]

lots of room to earn if your not a whale just got to look for where you fit

[desert beacon]

turns out i have closer to 800m food. Again, if I sell even a single food please call me out, I will publicly apologies for lying about using %100 of that for upkeep

[timber onyx]

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the FF?

[digital osprey]

very true i did that with om's i bought around 400 usdc, rolled into larger ships tho, may not be able to do the same this time

[mighty lance]

won't we all move to mrz though once we have a base that's upgraded high enough to do what we need?

[west slate]

lol I am short on crew

[digital osprey]

Ah who am i kidding i'll just keep playing at a complete loss

[digital osprey]

Scooped up a ton of Ruch's before they got rebased

[celest knot]

Hi, is there anyone can help me, why I cannot connect with my wallet? I’m newly joiner. Thanks

[haughty spindle]

So @hardy elm, @granite jungle and @wintry berry, what is the problem?
Are you saying small players can't earn, because I just had a whole convo with @rich steeple above who was quite happy with his profits as a small player.
Or is it a whale game because you have proof whales earn more per dollar invested than average players do?

[wintry berry]

nothing ser im not getting in the fight

[west slate]

what platform

[wintry berry]

you seem happy so who cares

[haughty spindle]

Just calling out the folks who added LOL & doubt emotes to my statement

[hardy elm]

@modest vault 's done the maths

[haughty spindle]

Awesome. Did he post them somewhere?

[celest knot]

phantom

[wintry berry]

its obvious smaller players feel shafted

have you been reading anything except bodhis comments

its fine

[haughty spindle]

Not the person I just talked to

[west slate]

I mean are you trying to connect to starbased or ue5

[wintry berry]

im not gonna argue about it but its obvious

[hardy elm]

I'll let him post the findings as i dont have the specifics

[pulsar oyster]

i cant even play it properly for enough time to feel shafted yet