Combat System

[odd tartan]

This Game is too fast. Due to the fact that the game uses Action Combat System , as in most games of this type , I do not play PVP because I do not like this solution . Why such a giant in game development as Pearl Abyss not tempted to introduce Non-target Action Combat , which in my opinion is much better , is more skilful . In Action only combos and what about skilful Player vs Player combat ?

[wheat kindle]

You can always diasable auto targeting if you feel like it. And PA is moving away from PvP non stop anyway with all the recent changes to it and the imbalances with the classes.

[odd tartan]

I understand, the game offers players really a lot , everyone will find something for themselves 🙂 . So why can't they add a choice in which system I want to fight in the game against other players . I'm even convinced that if there was a choice for Non-target Action Combat ( if such a system was created) , the mass of players would choose this one because it is more skilful without miraculous combos etc . 4 sides of attack and 4 sides of defense and that's it . In GV masses of players played because that's where this combat system was .

I think that Pearl Abyss studio has so much potential that they could easily introduce a second combat system, simply those who would like to play on Action and the other on Non-Target.

[wheat kindle]

One can always hope, but unfortunately I don't see PA doing anything major changes or upgrades to PvP anymore. And that would just divide the already small community of diminishing PvPers in BDO more.

[odd tartan]

Or maybe it would have just encouraged and of course Loot , partial from the defeated player , After all it is a magnet for players

The game is PERFECT but the combat system ... Well I was not encouraged by it, combos and slashing, no skill on the part of the player, no satisfaction from the fight I also float a ship on the map and such great plans I had for this game 🙂

[wheat kindle]

And PvP worth something after aggressively making sure PvP isn't worth it anymore with the upcoming family karma? Hate to say it but go play Elyon online or what ever the game is called or keep on dreaming

Oh. I guess you haven't PvPed for real if you say there is no skill involved 😂

[odd tartan]

And elyon what kind of combat system does it have ? 🙂 and what PvP looks like there

[wheat kindle]

Google it up and check youtube vods. Its not BDO combat but at least PvP is worth doing in that

[odd tartan]

Well in combos and lack of block no it seems to be chasing each other nothing more because of what the character does , disappears , flies like Flash 🙂 Where here skil block and attack what are you talking about ???? No offense, but only one game so far on the market had a brilliantly written Non target system and that is Gloria Victis.

I'm already taking a peek 🙂

Nah I'd rather take a boat here already 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOsaO3FtKC0

This is a skilful fight 🙂 , after this title I did not manage to find a similar Game

[wheat kindle]

Lack of block? I guess you don't know Forward Guard in that case. Then are Super Armor skills and invinsibility frames. Unfortunately some classes have a grab or 2 that bypasses any protection except i-frames. Go check out ArminTF or Flannnels Twitch vods to see some serious PvP skills in BDO. You might have to go play Chivalry 2 or Mount & Blade 2 if you want Gloria Victis style combat.

[lucid scarab]

Action combat is what makes this game fun, and a large part of the community is here for it

I doubt you will find much support for such a suggestion

[chilly needle]

"Hello is this McDonalds? I don't like burgers, pizzas are much better. You should start selling them instead."

[hollow river]

In example content creator Spootz
He mentioned that BDO combat system was difficult and confusing at start, but after a while he started to love it

From looking up video of Gloria Victis PvP
It has the problem of slow attack animation, which is bit annoying for many when you swing takes long time and enemy can just take 2 steps back and your attack misses.
You cannot reach enemies if they keep moving away and there does not seem to be any dash/charge abilities to catch your target

Like in this video pvp "combat" does not look nice to me
Does not look much of skill, but more of timing your attacks.

The enemy that was in "duel" at 0:42 dies just because he backs into a object or wall and so attacker catches up
https://youtu.be/Ig1UfKux_8A?si=INmqwTUG_1XXQRyQ&t=42

If player starts to run away at low health, you will never kill him

From that kind of combat, where every attack matters, i would say For Honor works better and is much smoother in moves

[hollow river]

Just a head up about Gloria Victis

"The developers announced the closure, stating that the financial challenges of maintaining and expanding the game have become insurmountable. The final season of Gloria Victis began on October 1st and will conclude on October 31st 2023, marking the end of the game's 11-year journey"

[odd tartan]

Nie nie chodzi mi o to że tu walka jest zła tylko o tym że dobrze było by wzbogacić tu rozgrywkę o Non-target action combat bo jest ciekawy i wymagający dla gracza 🙂

[hollow river]

Talking in Polish is very useful

All types of combat is all about getting used to the games
By playing and learning you will get used to new things
My last game before BDO was WoW and Tera

[odd tartan]

Well I know because I've played and I'm a GV Vet but what one thing has to do with the other, I'm just saying that such a system of handgun combat, is more interesting and Gv is just an example.

Aaa sorry for that I didn't run the text through the translator out of momentum 🙂 hehe

[odd tartan]

It is known that I will get used to and probably enjoy Pvp combat but comparing both systems of hand-to-hand combat in this type of game , I would bet on non-targrt , it is more realistic and in my opinion gives more satisfaction from defeated player but this is only my assessment 🙂

And the whole BD game noo is already top shelf

It's a shame that the Developers don't want to poke around , see what would give more fun PVP gameplay

[wheat kindle]

Yah. BDO used to be very PvP focused when it launched and now is steadily moving further away from it. For both good and bad.

[hollow river]

Combat itself is not bad in BDO
Just the system of PvP that is bad, karma system specially

[odd tartan]

Is it that the points are going down ? or that the loot is not there

[lucid scarab]

What?

[wheat kindle]

Red Battlefield has a daily and weekly quest. Arena of Solare has 1 weekly, though Solare is going away with tomorrow's patch. And then Node Wars. Can't think of any other rewards for PvP.

[wheat kindle]

There was never any loot in PvP. Karma makes PvP less likely to happen cause if you go negative karma you start loosing crystals and gear enhacement levels after the crystals are gone.

[odd tartan]

And I understand ,So players are starting to avoid PvP . Well after all there is no game on the market set in the Pure Middle Ages , say , , Times of the Sword , , with decent PvP , Loot, there was GV but as you know servers are closing . Maybe Pax dei ? Who knows , it surprises me that in the market of Mmo Rpg Games there is a Mass of games like BD , Magic , lightning , etc . Combat looks at least like a natot F16 with all the missiles on board Where is the pure skil NORMAL gameplay here All such games on one copy all the same .

I have traced the gaming market of recent years and What ??? Only one study has set its game in the pure Middle Ages .... BitBox from LiF Mmo

[hollow river]

Pure middle age style of game play is very limited idea. And it is not so much of fun. Just like the GV was looks awful.
Having unique combat system will not guarantee good gameplay

There are many many players that likes to play as mage so they are left out of middle age games.

I dont think Pax Dei will be pure middle ages without magic
It doesnt have any combat trailers out yet either

[odd tartan]

To sum up The game Looks great , Large open world but I can at most play as a farmer or fisherman for a while , PvP lies . Wala looks like a bubble raid zero cooperation etc. Well it's time to keep looking around and waiting for something interesting to come on the market 🙂

Well you just wrote yourself , they like to play as mages , and I prefer sword fighting , I don't like magic so I'm left out too, isn't that right. That's why such big game studios having such huge possibilities could give several game paths for interested Players , and here everything in one pot 🙂 .

[hollow river]

Pvp wars has more tactic than you may see in videos

There are 2 wars in every node war, political war and ingame war

But yes pvp is the weakest in bdo
Yet it has rewards from rbf and arena, so it is not all bad

Pve is top tier with the smooth fast combat.

But the game is not for everyone, so it is fine to skip it too.

[hollow river]

Almost every game has warriors and mages
But super rare game is only mages without warriors

Most of the games has both options in same game, giving all players possibilities to enjoy the game. Which is best

[odd tartan]

Well, yes who likes what

[hollow river]

That is true

But remember not to be too picky on games. The Perfect game does not exist.

Adapt into new games and you find friends to play with.

[astral fiber]

Might've been reading it wrong, but saying BDO combat and combos dont require much skill is kinda a stretch and sounds like its straight from someone grinding low end spots