MIT (2025-2026)

[barren oasis]

D1 GLAZE

[round trellis]

im not lol

i know how it works

the fact that sm1 like that didnt get does refelct poorly on MIT

[civic crow]

not really

[round trellis]

it does

i mean ur free to think what u want

majority of ppl in the math community think otherwise

[dry star]

It really doesn't

[halcyon plume]

i think their objective was shaping the new class, and if that means not admitting some top candidates, then so be it

[restive iris]

Dude

these decisions

feel unfair man

like

ugh

how do i cope

[round trellis]

eat a bucket of icecream

[restive iris]

im broke

[dawn sky]

life is unfair

[round trellis]

u can thikn its unfair

but thats just how the process goes

private colleges can admit any1 who they want ngl

even low gpa its their choice

that's just how things are, any applicant or student is powerless it's up to the adminstartions and admissions, there is nothing fair in apps

the one who makes the decision has all the power

[restive iris]

mm

thats sad

[dense tangle]

Yeah true
We just gotta deal with it

I don’t think it matters in the wrong run

Could you give a short summary of how they compare students and look at them then? Not really familiar

[dry star]

Depends on the school, you never really know

Best bet is cds but even then

[modern snow]

This

[old sierra]

It's not

Not unless you're at a non-target or going for QR

QD and QT are almost exclusively undergraduate roles

[old sierra]

You're not really compared 1-to-1 with another student as a result of holistic admissions, where you're considered as a person/whole. It's pretty hard to compare students like that. However, your accomplishments/grades might be contextualized by comparing to your school group

[dense tangle]

Alr alr ty

Would UT be considered a target iyo

[old sierra]

For QT? no

For QD? probably/maybe if u have turing

[dense tangle]

I see

iirc UT is partnered with JS and Cit so that might come in handy

[old sierra]

Wdym "partner"

?

[dense tangle]

Here https://www.cs.utexas.edu/engage/industry/focs

[old sierra]

Ah I see

What kind of role r u going for

If QD then turing is highkey a no-brainer

[dense tangle]

Yea QD
Didn't get turing tho, but it's whatever
Most UT quants are turing but not all, so not impossible

[old sierra]

Fair enough

[civic crow]

well, first of all, they dont directly compare

[civic crow]

luckily, mit AOs have written about exactly how they look at them

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/its_more_than_a_job/

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/this-is-how-i-read/

[civic crow]

yeah it def feels that way

your story is not over

[tough plume]

Is anyone on the rd youtube livestream? :D

[dense tangle]

Alright thanks

Something that I have noticed this cycle is that essays > ECs
Many people with broken ECs got rejected but many people with not so many high tier ECs got in because of really good essays
And of course academics are a no-brainer

Which kind of confuses me as well
I would think that ECs are a better predictor of future sucess than Essays, by a large margin

[civic crow]

you're overthinking anecdotes

[civic crow]

holistic admissions

[dry star]

ECs dont show fit

Stop analyzing your rejection, it wont do you any good

[sleek jolt]

most colleges want people on their campus that seem like they’re genuinely nice to be around and will be good friends to current students

if your ECs are really good and they’ve inflated your ego because of it, go to princeton

Colleges like MIT know that their education is good enough to make almost anyone successful. That’s why MIT has the highest ROI of any college. They can focus less on things like “predictors of future success” in ECs and instead look for applicants who show potential in their attitudes

Also a kid who has really good ECs might act in their essays or interviews that they have done it all or know it all (they haven’t). Those are the types of people that won’t have future success if they don’t have an appetite for learning

[dense tangle]

I see that makes sense thanks

[sleek jolt]

Anyway, just because MIT rejected you doesn’t mean any doors have closed later on in life, and no school rejection is really going to do that… the amount of opportunity in the country greatly exceeds the amount of HYPSM/T20/T50/T100/T300 grads

So many really bright people go to state schools and go on to do great things

[barren oasis]

This is so close to the actual acceptance rate

[sleek jolt]

Anyway, Massachusetts isn’t even a real place so don’t worry about any “universities” that claim to be there. No one has ever heard of MassTech before, so I wouldn’t care about some “rejection” they sent you

[round trellis]

i think the issue is that i literally know ppl who bs'd their mit app didnt try at all and was never a goal of theirs

like they were ones who bs'd npo's and cuz im just a chill person with every1 they would just tell me abt this shi

and they got in even using ai on their mit essays and stuff

thats just how the college game works and they even were laughing after getting in because mit was just never an expectation and smth they did for fun, they wanted an ivy

its just interesting to see ig but like u can never expect anything someone who prob worekd their entire ass off in hs grinding for mit got flat out rejeced whereas sm1 who bs'd their app got in (again thats just a friend of mine i have no opinion but they said themselves they got lucky and thats what they told me im not gonna say their name or any other info for privacy reasons)

[barren oasis]

There are some ppl like this. It’s like the ppl who said they didn’t study for the test but ended up getting a 100 on it

[round trellis]

its not that 😭

like they just fabrciated work they did for their npo

made up stuff for the mit app because it was way diff from every other school

[barren oasis]

Holy crap

[round trellis]

i dont want to comment its not my place and its whatever they are my freind but she even said she got lucky

[barren oasis]

That’s basically fraud

Well it is

[round trellis]

i dont even feel deserving after seeing ppl more cracked than me get rejected

i dont have as good stuff as them

[round trellis]

they dont go to the same school i did a rlly small volunteering project early in hs and thats how ik them

but i was good enough friends where we would talk abt apps and random stuff

like i think its okay to criticize the app process but end of the day mit gets to pick who they want and u cant say they shouldnt have taken we have no say

but it just does suck to see so many hardworking cracked ppl with insane shi have no chance basically

[storm onyx]

It's MIT's loss trust

As much as it sucks, i've seen cracked people honestly do even more cracked things at "worse" schools

cause y'know give a cracked kid free time and they'll go nuts

[round trellis]

dont say worse

every school is good

[storm onyx]

there's a reason I used quotes

[round trellis]

yea ik

but yea this girl just tells me shi cuz she doesnt see me as comp

i dont go to her school but we're friends

she wouldnt ever go to mit and if she did she would do some humanities major

shes def gonna make some ivy cuz shes just sm1 who is an app grinder

think like making sm random npo but larping the shi they do

[storm onyx]

Gang who would get into MIT and then say "I def won't go"

[round trellis]

and just getting board with no work

[storm onyx]

isn't the MIT applicant pool basically people who would def go if finances worked out

[round trellis]

eh

i think other reasons

i may not go if i get a better school with a better location and logistics

closer to other relatives

since im on the other side of the country

[round trellis]

yea she isnt sm1 u would think mit would take

she applied for fun

[storm onyx]

Lowk this is my gripe with CMU cause it's like off in yee yonder and I don't know anyone in the area 😭

[round trellis]

thats why i said it sucks sm1 can grind all their life

have no chance

a lot of factors r out of ur hand

[storm onyx]

😭 ain't no way

[round trellis]

if u dont have certain traits/hooks

[round trellis]

she did lol

i have nth to comment

since its an odd situation

[storm onyx]

I don't doubt you lol it just sounds whacko

[round trellis]

not rlly

i heard some other interesting cases this year

its cuz she only applied to mit cuz she had time

but didnt know that mit app is diff

than other schools

i remember being on a call with her cuz she was asking me q's

[storm onyx]

Lowk MIT was the first app I wrote 💀

[round trellis]

and i know she made up ecs cuz she didnt have enough

what i mean to say is that im just a bystander

ill observe i dont think its fair she knows it too

[storm onyx]

Making up ECs for 4 spots is crazy bro

[round trellis]

but it is waht it is

i dont involve myself for thingsl ike this

it sucks but thats life

[storm onyx]

There's a certain extent of why care

the system works in ways that it does

can't do much

[round trellis]

yea because it prioritizes certain stuff

[storm onyx]

just kinda float along and hope it works out ig

[round trellis]

yea but

what i mean to say is that

dont blame urself

u can grind as much as u can

have best stem awards and ecs

and just get rejected

[barren oasis]

I mean

You can report to college?

Idk if mit will care

[round trellis]

im an npc bystander

[storm onyx]

Tbh I know a big time cheater who got into a really good school and can't do much about it cause the evidence is mostly verbal non-recorded and circumstancial

c'est la vie

[round trellis]

you can try all you want with these situations

it wont stop

the amnt of ppl who have cheated and such

[storm onyx]

They likely won't, maybe will call the school to verify if it's super crazy concrete allegations

[dense tangle]

I mean I know a guy who choose Princeton over MIT because he liked the enviorment better

[storm onyx]

hm

I guess there are people

I've never heard of anyone denying mit but lowk the people I know are hardcore stem kids so yeah

[dense tangle]

I also have a cousin who went to Stanford over MIT because Stanford is less rigorous so he would get more free time to build personal projects
He's doing quite well at Apple now

[barren oasis]

The thing is ppl make up things on resume too

[storm onyx]

Yeah that's lowk a diff audience from the people I know 😭

[barren oasis]

It’s basically life

I know kids who buy internships

[storm onyx]

Most of the people ik are the borderline suicidal hyper-workaholic nerds who basically just torture themselves

[dense tangle]

Yeah
Honesty is not always rewarded, and dishonesty is sometimes rewarded
Just the system

[barren oasis]

But I do appreciate ppl who lie (not saying u should lie

They just have a big heart

[storm onyx]

😭 huh

Idk man I just can't lie

[barren oasis]

Like they are brave

I can’t lie either lol

[storm onyx]

It's like I straight up won't be able to sleep at night if I do cause it just feels so wrong

[dense tangle]

And fear of getting caught

[barren oasis]

The fear always haunt me

I m not that brave lol

[dense tangle]

I remember Gohar talked about this

If they find out you lied they can rescind your degree even after you have graduated

[storm onyx]

For me it's lowk not even fear of being caught ngl

It's just like the sense of doing something bad

[barren oasis]

Auto admit to mit

Personality and quality should be a big big factor in admission

[storm onyx]

No way to check it imo

[barren oasis]

Idt I have ever met someone that’s mean or bad that studies at mit

[dense tangle]

Lying on College Apps lowkey takes thought cus you can't make it too obvious
Like you can't say you won the IMO or smth, gotta find a boundary

[storm onyx]

also like imo your personality development is also kinda rng cause it's just about how you were raised/ the environment you grew up in

[crimson ginkgo]

they ain’t gonna do anything about it

if it’s all verbal anecdotes then ur cooked

[primal sparrow]

I think a better methodology is bending narrative to the parts of the truth that can be beneficial, and painting a picture based off of smaller realities to form an overarching character

Colleges look for specific character traits and placing emphasis on those is vastly more important than lying about competitions or whatever that realistically the AOs have either never heard of or don't know anything about

[round trellis]

college will likely investiagate

they have no reason not to

the issue is if they cant find anything on their own it means nth

but even small things they can confirm with the hs

and are reasons to rescind

u wont hear abt it because no one is going to tell that they got rescinded its usaully rumors

the guy from clulely got resinded from harvard no1 rlly knew abt it until he became famous

[bold yarrow]

i mean i saw like 50+ acceptances this year so far and the vast majority of them had some sort of institutional hook outside of their control

i think cuz had a valid point about institutional priorities but just worded things a bit too strongly

[bold yarrow]

of course there definitely are self-selection biases, reporting biases, etc. but i do observe a general trend in admissions shifting towards other factors other than race since sffa v. harvard

such as rural, underrepresented genders, socioeconomic status, etc.

ultimately these schools are private so theyre not obligated to be strictly "meritocratic" so

and "meritocratic" in and of itself is difficult to define

because context matters

[wheat patio]

i think you should report this. theres people on the MIT waitlist who would really do great things if they got in

[wheat patio]

i believe MIT is known for giving awards to those who get in

[bold yarrow]

it's js a nuanced thing - i can understand individuals who are part of overrepresented being frustrated at their disadvantages but it's just how the private school system works with balance

[wheat patio]

like assuming theyre lying on their appli as in fabricating ecs and awards then thats rlly unfair

[round trellis]

yea again she also told me other friends she knows also got in

who bs'd

it wont change much im not someone who inteferes in other affairs

i simply just watch and observe

i dont think its meant for me to be doing anything

[wheat patio]

geez i js hate how bad it is towards students who actually work hard

[round trellis]

i accepted my role as an npc in society maybe one day i can progress

[wheat patio]

there were so many deserving ppl ik who got rejected from mit

[round trellis]

yea def

[wheat patio]

i feel like this is the situation where you do step in and report the person

[round trellis]

the waitlist only happens

after everyone gets admitted

it wont change anything now

[wheat patio]

this type of mentality is what lets ppl like that get away with it

[round trellis]

yo im also freinds with her but not friend friend

its a pickle dont u think

[bold yarrow]

yeah this is true

[round trellis]

i mean im not gonna do anything

[wheat patio]

i just dont see myself being friends with somebody like that

[crimson ginkgo]

you think they investigate every complaint and finding on their admitted students that goes through their doors? It’s very unlikely that they’ll take it more seriously than just a spiteful person

[wheat patio]

but i do understand why you're hesitant to report

[bold yarrow]

mit admissions is a bit questionable this year

[round trellis]

yes def they will

[bold yarrow]

interesting tho

[crimson ginkgo]

for them to take it seriously it would have to come from a school official

[round trellis]

u undereestimate how much AO's care abt honesty

for sm1 that got admitted

they have no reason to not audit

it takes 1 phone call

[bold yarrow]

wait yeah same

[wheat patio]

it depends how much proof since some ppl can deliberately sabotage and fabricate information

but honestly hopscotch i really think you should report this

it just doesnt feel right letting them take away spots from deserving people and waitlists who already have a low chance

[crimson ginkgo]

ok 🤥

[round trellis]

did u lie on ur app lol

[round trellis]

it depends but i know of sm1 who got reported for lying abt years on their app and position and they did get rescinde

it was a school nearby

u wont hear much because no1 will say they got rescinded

its usually through a freind and is heavily gatekept

[crimson ginkgo]

no I just think you overestimate how many people are spiteful and send crap to the AOs that they investigate every complaint they get about admitted students from random parents and kids

[primal sparrow]

The upper class is typically fake it til you make it anyway

Those kids will get weeded out quick in MIT

[round trellis]

when did i say this?

obv ao's know ppl are spitefull

but ur acting like they wont audit or verify

esp with the decisons alr made

its not a lot of work for them to do this and has been doen b4

again no1 will know how many ppl get rescinded at top colleges every year its smth that no college would release either

but no1s gonna actively say they did and prob wouldnt tell their freinds cuz its like "aura loss"

i was replying to the other person saying i should do smth again its not rlly my place to say anything

if mit got tricked thats on them

[round trellis]

nah

bro if we're being fr ppl who larp and get in

will do fine

thats how it works

u can take easier classes

mit is just that one school where everything is hard asl but im sure there are easy classes u can take

its not like a liberal arts college ivy tho

[bold yarrow]

eh

[round trellis]

darthmouth legit said they made esaier classes cuz they took unqualified ppl during the pandemic

[bold yarrow]

usually theyre smart enough to lie and get in/survive

[round trellis]

and all those kids had low gpas

yea

[bold yarrow]

they just wont excel like the deserving people will

mit's loss in the end anyway

if they continue this trajectory they objectively will not be able to maintain their current prestige

[round trellis]

yea the issue is that

the college app process isnt perfect

but ppl will def bs enough in college its not hard

ppl lying on apps is gonna happen

even reporting 1 person wont change anything

its a flawed system but thats just how things r

[dull tiger]

😹

[round trellis]

i mean how he is wrong

i think it is concerning that they arent admitting the cream of the crop

flat out rejection is crazy

one kid who got rejected was a flat out genius if u spoke to him abt math u would shi ur pants

just next level in the field

[dull tiger]

"they rejected a genius i know and admitted 2 people who i don't think are deserving so mit admissions is flawed"

that's not what i replied to anyways, mit's prestige is not going to suffer because they admitted one "genius" over another

[round trellis]

i never said that tho

yea obv mit prestige wont suffer

i think op means to say is if they continue doing this

[dull tiger]

well that's what i replied to

[round trellis]

i have no comment tho abt it

no im saying that if its easy for sm1 to bs mit app

then AO's obv can be fooled

[dull tiger]

that's true, the failure mode of the admissions system across america is admitting lying applicants

[dull tiger]

it's not rejecting geniuses

[round trellis]

they did reject a genius

[dull tiger]

that's also not really a critique of mit but just all colleges in general

[crimson ginkgo]

na it’s the rich affluent legacy well resourced and connected kids 🧒

[round trellis]

yo theres a reason everyone in the math community was shocked

there were also ppl more cracked who got rejected

[dull tiger]

rejection stings for people you personally know about

[round trellis]

i dont know this guy lol

i dont know any of them

[dull tiger]

ur acting as if the application pool isn't filled with these types of people lmao

[round trellis]

hes basically a celeb in the math community

it would be quite diffiuclt to know him personally

theres a reason ppl r talking abt him

[dull tiger]

ok well you're feeling slighted on behalf of himlmao

[round trellis]

im not

i would consider myself to just be an analyst

like stephen a smith

[dull tiger]

IDK i've never heard of this mystery guy that mit should've 100%accepted

[round trellis]

except no bad words, no comments

[round trellis]

again maybe ur not in those communities

did u grind math comps?

if ur a warriors fan u may have heard of shaun livingston but if ur not and ur a casual u may have no clue

[dull tiger]

right, cuz math competitions are the pinnacle of human ability and getting a spot anywhere you want is a logical conclusion from getting insane awards

[round trellis]

its not just math competitions

i said math community for a reason

[dull tiger]

do you think mit should just admit everyone who competed in national/international olympiads?

[round trellis]

im not MIT again i literally told u im an npc

i have no say and no one else here does too

mit makes all the deciscons not us

u can feel a certain way but ur not the one admitting mit admins are

[dull tiger]

ok and there's also multiple nobodies you have never heard of who have self studied subjects to grad level

you don't know what happens behind the scenes nor what the application pool is like

[round trellis]

yes i just said that

i said its fair to just say it was unfair

but it wont chagne anything

and not to devalue someone who got in

[dull tiger]

so if you don't believe this then i think it's completely fair to say that mit did not make a mistake rejecting someone because they are "notorious in the (?) math community" and are a genius

[round trellis]

which is why i told everyone to stop doing that

its not just that

if u saw his accolades

i told u its like lebron not winning MVP and no all nba teams in 2012

or if leonardo dicaprio never won an oscar

[dull tiger]

ok so do you think mit rejecting anyone participating in, say, the imo is unfair?

[round trellis]

USA domestic imo?

with medal?

usa imo team with medal i think its unfair and a p big robbery but u have to respect the deciscion made as they are a private college and can do whatever they want

[dull tiger]

domestic >imo

[round trellis]

these guys/girls r the smartest ppl in the country for math

i mean USA imo team lol

[dull tiger]

usamo is what you mean

[round trellis]

nope

imo usa team

theres a reason they cant admit everyone from intl imo teams

[dull tiger]

oh thepeople who progress into the imo from the us

[round trellis]

yea

[dull tiger]

yeah that's a very crude generalization

[round trellis]

not rlly

its the best of the best

[dull tiger]

being good at imo-style problems does not automatically make you one of the smartest people in the country at ``math''

what does that even mean

[round trellis]

it does

at least respect the level of hard work, skill and dedication that the ppl on the imo team have

theyre next level

[dull tiger]

so you're telling me this while also not understanding what ``math'' is

[round trellis]

analogy

[round trellis]

sure

u can be good at math

and not be good at imo level

[dawn sky]

it lowkey does, the level of pattern recognition required is 💀

[round trellis]

yea

idt u understand

dont disrespect pls

i would never get to that level

and p much no one here will

[dull tiger]

ok great and theyll succeed anywhere. mit is not obligated to admit them and it's not particularly unfair for them to think the people they admit are better than tthem

[round trellis]

its insane level

[round trellis]

i literally said mit isnt obligated lol

but its fine to think its unfair

re-read it

[dawn sky]

Like on TOP of mental discipline, you have to have some sort of talent to stand out in a competitive country like US

[round trellis]

yea

its insane

an avg human being is more likely to score on lebron than to beat sm1 who won an imo gold medal

[dull tiger]

ur disrespecting the various people across the country who have self studied through various subjects to the graduate level in math, and are actually doing what mathematicians would call ``math'', because they didn't gain notoriety by specializing in some niche olympiad-style math contest

[round trellis]

im not

[dull tiger]

again you're making an extremely crude generalization of what math is

[round trellis]

i said imo is best of the best

u can also be good at math and not imo

2 things can be true

but imo ppl r top of the top

theres a reason mit admits all of them p much from us IMO team

they realize its an honor to admit sm1 who made IMO

[dull tiger]

no but you are, because apparently these 6 imo people must be the best (high school) mathematicians in the country and thus they beat out everyone in the application pool and deserve immediate admission to mit

[round trellis]

p much

best math kids in the country

i thikn any1 in the math community can agree

[dull tiger]

yeah that's just ridiculous lol you don't know what ``math'' is

[round trellis]

im confused if ur jealous u never got imo

why r u hating on IMO lol

[dawn sky]

ANYONE with enough hard work can "learn" math to the graduate level btw

[round trellis]

i think u fail to realize u can grind all u want but never reach IMO level

its similar to the olympics

like aside from college talk

its like a passion for ppl who do it

these ppl are doing IMO because they love math not for college

[dull tiger]

i don't care about the IMO, i care that laypeople end up conflating what actual mathematicians do with what these contests aredw

[round trellis]

IMO is prob the most prestigous thing for a teenager in the math world achivement wise/awards

terrance tao

he won a fields medal later in life too

[dawn sky]

Of course the IMO syllabus is not the same as real math, but the problem solving skills are very well transfered

[round trellis]

one of the smartest humans in modern day history

won imo at 13

the skill diff between terrance tao and avg imo winner is bigger than skill diff between avg imo winner and avg human being

[dull tiger]

ok i could make the exact same statement but for going to the imo.

why havent people by and large across the country have studied math to the graduate level then, if it just takes enough hard work?

[round trellis]

because its hard, a lot of ppl dont like math

and its same reason a lot of ppl dont go to russian studies to graduate level either

[dull tiger]

cherry picking one great mathematician and saying he won an imo medal at 13 doesn't make your argument any more vali d

[round trellis]

most ppl dont want to go into academia

[round trellis]

no i jsut randolmy mentioned lol

i wanted to glaze him

[dull tiger]

being able to do timed contest exam problems quickly in elementary math subjects is not something that transfers as cleanly (as you are making it out to be) to what people who pursue math in undergrad/grad school do

[dawn sky]

because 1. olympiads give a quantifiable score that translates to medals which help in college admission 2. It is just simply much more fun, it is a competition

[dull tiger]

competition math rewards speed, pattern recognition, clever tricks within constrained problem sets that you could easily scaffold knowledge off of, while research math rewards patience, tolerance for extended failure, creativity in undefined problem spaces, and intuition in choosing what's worth/able to be worked on

so, again, they're not the same

[dull tiger]

just because you can quantify how good someone is at contest math doesn't make you "one of the best mathematicians across the country"

[round trellis]

im sorry u feel that way but it is a valid way to show

IMO is one of the greatest achivements

in fact i really dont think mit is doing enough to get these kids (not even a joke)

[dawn sky]

I was stating the reason why olympiads are more popular

it is goal oriented

[dull tiger]

sure, but being part of those 6 doesn't automatically mean you are the best mathematicians across the country (because what does that even mean?) and that mit's institutional priorities should be thrown out the window to accomodate these people

theyre great and awesome and are extremely talented, but so are many people in the application pool

[round trellis]

do u think the all nba first team are not the best 5 players of that season?

[dull tiger]

just because you've heard of the imo and that it's a really competitive thing to be able to participate in doesn't mean it must automatically take precedence over literally anything and everything that mit aos see as impressive

[dull tiger]

i don't understand your nba analogies

[round trellis]

bruh

do uk what all nba is

[dull tiger]

apologies for not being a basketball fan

[dull tiger]

no i just know what the nba is lol

[round trellis]

oh ok

that makes sense

yea if u dont watch u wont know

[dawn sky]

It is not just about being able to score good on the exam day. The amount of problems you have solved to gain that intuition, and the pattern recognitions kills are the ones that matter

[round trellis]

but like not know much abt lebron is p hurtful

[dawn sky]

well you know

[round trellis]

i feel every1 should research and study lebron's life

[dull tiger]

yes and i don't discredit that at all

[round trellis]

lebron, terrance tao and sm1 else r the big 3

we gotta find that 3rd person to nominate

[dull tiger]

but you guys are discrediting the thousands in the application pool who have put in similar amounts of work to what their passionate at because it doesn't generate a name for them

[serene crescent]

HIII

[dawn sky]

I am talking from my physics Olympiad background, which I do agree is much more transferrable to uni level studies than math oly, so I may have a bias there.

[dawn sky]

that's why a lot of research people get in aswell

[round trellis]

some of the imo winners

have been studying math

10 hours a day

since age 5

[dawn sky]

it is not just the olympians that get into college

[round trellis]

yes

[dull tiger]

talking about how admissions is unfair and wrong because a person was not admitted even though they have x, y, z insane public awards and a, b, c insane ecs and whatnot discredits these types of people

[round trellis]

i never discredited anyone

[round trellis]

look at this

regardles of what u think u have the right

the founding fathers fought for freedom

but lets just not disrespect IMO winners

[dull tiger]

that's fine, but he thinks this #1400589854861033642 message

[dawn sky]

^

[dull tiger]

of course theyre well suited for mit but screeching about how mit admissions has done a horrible injustice by admitting someone with some insane award discredits "the thousands in the application pool who have put in insane amounts of work intto what their passionate," just things that don't generate a name for them

if you want to seethe about admissions, arguing that people lie on their apps is a much better angle (although it's not mit specific)

[dawn sky]

because those people could straight up be lying

how do you efficiently and reliably check someone's knowledge?

by their awards!

[serene crescent]

i feel like hearing this argument is rlly interesting as an mit student who knows some oly ppl at mit

[round trellis]

are u curerntly an mit student?

[serene crescent]

co2029

[round trellis]

i got in do u mind if i ask u some q's later

[dull tiger]

if you want to seethe about admissions, arguing that people lie on their apps is a much better angle (although it's not mit specific)

[round trellis]

i would literally feel subpar if i were in a room of imo medalists

[serene crescent]

feel free to dm; i can't promise to reply because i am currently crashing and burning a little bit

[round trellis]

i dont think imo kids should be taking same classes as regular ppl like me if i do end up going to mit

[dull tiger]

ur weird and apotheosize oly people too much

[round trellis]

bet tysm

[serene crescent]

i do feel like this
but i was talking to a friend who i didn't realize had an oly background and i was saying that i thought surely the oly kids must know all the content in the math class and he was like "no???" and i'm like "how do u know" and he's like "bro i mopped twice" 😭

[round trellis]

bro obv

they wont know everything

but their brains work faster

like its just next level

[dull tiger]

right..

[round trellis]

sure a lot of ppl who arent imo are also super smart

[serene crescent]

i think perhaps you need to go outside and touch grass

[dawn sky]

not just olympiad people, also research people. I mean there are LOTS of crackpots and larpers. and only reliable way to check their knowledge and skills is to look at their awards. that's it

(oor technical interviews)

[dull tiger]

if you want to seethe about admissions, arguing that people lie on their apps is a much better angle (although it's not mit specific)

[tough plume]

I think it really just boils down to the fact that we are all unique and hence go after our own unique goals! A medal doesn’t change a persons status to above-human, it just demonstrates their dedication and love for what they do (usually) :D Eventually we will all find our niche, some just do so earlier and in more “academic” fields that others

[dawn sky]

Idk what you're tryna say

[dull tiger]

systemic lying on college apps is a separate problem and not something im accounting for

[dawn sky]

Ooh alright

true

[round trellis]

yes 100%

every human is equal obv and like just because someone has IMO doesnt mean theyre better. anyone can be good at mit and i know so many ppl who told me they didnt fit in originally but have been so successful working with such smart ppl

what i mean to say is its like meeting a celeberity like lebron at mit

these r ppl internationally recognized

winning one of the most prestigous math awards in history

its lowk just an honor knowing someone or being friends with sm1 like that

[dull tiger]

this grotesque misrepresentation of what olympiads are is what makes them so toxic and repulsive

[serene crescent]

at least this year, first semester all of the oly kids took 18.701: algebra 1 and a good chunk of non-oly frosh also took it and did well (including me). i lowkey don't know what the oly kids are doing second semester but i think it's 18.600: stats and 18.510: intro to set theory and logic and both of these are standard classes

there are definitely some kids who do insane things like take elliptic curves and diff geo first semester. like, my friend took these classes and there were only 3 other frosh in elliptic curves. this friend is not oly but i think the other 3 were oly

[dawn sky]

well, yeah I agree, sometimes the competition part overrides the general learning and passion for the subject parts which makes mid olympiad people straight up aholes, but the top participants know that olympiads are not the whole story

[dull tiger]

there are definitely some kids who do insane things like take elliptic curves and diff geo first semester. like, my friend took these classes and there were only 3 other frosh in elliptic curves. this friend is not oly but i think the other 3 were oly
how do they bypass the prereqs?

[tough plume]

I have a feeling you like lebron xD But yea I get what you mean, but I recommend that you don’t fall too far into “idolatry”… Admissions can feel really random but at the end of the day there was prob a big ol’ discussion behind every application sent in, so while we may never know why or how somebody got admitted, people who admit for their living saw them as fit. And hey, maybe the Olympiad people you mentioned weren’t admitted because MIT felt they’d for sure fit at Stanford or Princeton better (who have amaazinggg math programs), so it’s not necessarily a bad reflection, ofc

[round trellis]

im just a normal person like nothing special abt me i dont have anything insane i just know im smart but not that level of cracked by any means and ive known my entire life and im okay. i dont see anyone as better but its just like these ppl are next level idk how to say. ill never be as good as them but just having the opportunity to listen, work and sit next to them in class is crazy. ik what u mean like its not good to just put oly ppl at that level but like imo is just like that there are only a few ppl who medal so its just like that.

[serene crescent]

on the one hand it is kinda crazy to realize that people i know are literally imo. on the other hand they're like. just ppl. like if ur weird about it that's weird imo

and besides there's all kinds of things where you'll be like "i can't believe <person i know> is <blank>" besides oly, like

[serene crescent]

you just go 🙏 👉👈 🥺 and it mostly works. like 18.100b: real analysis is a prereq for 18.701 but everyone just skips it. either you ask the prof or you just register for it and hope noone complains lol

[dull tiger]

yeah ur literally just idolizing these people that's highkey weird 😭

[dull tiger]

i thought you weren't allowed to skip that one stupid cs class

[serene crescent]

depends on the dept. math prereqs are not real. 6.102 prof is just rlly annoying about prereqs 😔

[dull tiger]

great im never becoming a cs major 😂✌️

[round trellis]

yea deep down ive always been riducled and knew i was never the best. ive already accepted that fact i think im okay smart but nothing crazy just a normal person. like even now i dont think its fair that ppl way more cracked than me didnt get in but idk how to feel abt that. like if i were to go idk if i could just know im studying with imo ppl its just a weird feeling. i dont think theyre better as humans but in academia and what they excel in like theyre def every good at waht they do

[tough plume]

Woa no mean to interrupt but that is very cool. I reallyyyy wanna get ahead in the math area of things so I have space to dual major so that actually is epic to know. Are you working towards your Pirate certification? Hee hee hor hor

[dull tiger]

that's nice to know (about the math dept)

[serene crescent]

🤷‍♀️ i question why you think that oly is incomparably amazing. i think you'd find that you'd discover a lot of people who are insanely cracked in a lot of different ways

[serene crescent]

it's okay 6.101 is like 4 hours of work a week anyways if you know the content. also i figured out how to do python bytecode sillies and i think i'm gonna slip it into my next lab for funsies

[round trellis]

yea obv everyone who got into mit is rlly cracked lol

ill prob be the dumbest person there

[serene crescent]

wait i should totally do the pirate certificate but i keep missing PE reg

[dawn sky]

in what other ways can they be quanitfiably cracked though, im just asking because I have a poor imagination

[dull tiger]

nah, it just feels annoying to take courses for 1-2 years that i would say i probably mostly maybe wholly know the content of

[serene crescent]

bro just add it on top of everything else 🤷‍♀️

like you can just add it as another class

[dawn sky]

okay yeah, "quantifiablity" is a separate issue

[dull tiger]

isnt there a unit limit for freshman yr

[serene crescent]

i do think that oly is one of the most quantifiable things, so if you're looking for amazing with the restriction that it can be compressed into a single number then there's not rlly anything better than oly

on the other hand, i know people who have discovered novel classes of vulns, for instance

[dull tiger]

idt i could fit all the math courses i wanna take with all the cs courses i wanna take, so id rather just fully dedicate to oone

[serene crescent]

yeah 🤷‍♀️. kinda sucks but just add it on sophomore year
also it's like literally just that one class

[serene crescent]

what do u wanna take?

[round trellis]

do u go to mit?

[tough plume]

I want to too but i’m 99% sure I’ll die in all of the required PE classes 😭

[round trellis]

30 years old?

[tough plume]

Im going to walk out of fencing with puncture wounds all over me 😢

[round trellis]

or u just got in

class of 2030

[serene crescent]

you can just do over iap

[round trellis]

so ur in my year

[dull tiger]

i think i put it on hydrant and it fills out the first 2 years

[serene crescent]

swag master are u co30?

[dull tiger]

yeah he has the tag

[serene crescent]

you should send

[tough plume]

Yes i am!! I am soooooo over the moon happy

[round trellis]

@dull tiger where else u get in

congrats btw!

[tough plume]

I was thinking about that but I cannot take sailing in the winter…. One drop of water and I’m gone

[serene crescent]

wait hopscotch are u mit '30?

[serene crescent]

OH TRUE GOOD POINT

i took intermediate ice skating and it was very fun!

[tough plume]

That sounds like the coolest thing ever but I’m so un athletic that I need to put limits on my pe classes or else I’ll get like CTE

Almost died playing golf multiple times which is like the hardest sport to die in

I’ll just stay inside

[round trellis]

cte?

r u smashing ur head on smth?

[tough plume]

Like what you get after one too many tbis

Ice skating, probably yes

[round trellis]

ik what cte is

[serene crescent]

i love ice skating,,,

[round trellis]

antonio brown has cte

rob gronkowski has cte

[tough plume]

Did you join the 29’ discord when admissions were released last yr?

Im wondering if it’ll stay up past cpw or not

[serene crescent]

(i happen to own it) (there was no officially run server for '29)

[serene crescent]

as far as i understand how the officially run servers work, it'll stay up indefinitely

[tough plume]

Omg woaw so I assume they stay open then Lol

[serene crescent]

but the discords always die the moment the school year starts

as they should

[tough plume]

Yayyyyyy but yea

Ok cool cool

[round trellis]

yo

i think ik why discord dies

when the year starts

[serene crescent]

yeah it's almost like people can like. talk face to face or something /lh

[round trellis]

i think its because

most of the girls all use IG

when the school year starts

in college

most of them only keep the discord for club related stuff

little purpose left cuz then a lot of guys prob wont use

[tough plume]

Is there a big mit student body social media presence?

[serene crescent]

idk i don't rlly use social media

[serene crescent]

club discords are active

[round trellis]

yea thats what i meant

[serene crescent]

depends on what social group of campus

[round trellis]

yea i mean what i heard

[serene crescent]

east-side things are all signal for the most part

[round trellis]

i think more guys use discord

like even for this im assuming more and more girls will stop using discord

with no need after app season

based on discord data available online

[serene crescent]

🤷‍♀️ this is definitely true

maybe one year i'll rush a sorority

[serene crescent]

some places are facebook messenger even 😭

[tough plume]

Lol i was just looking at the Bunnies at MIT facebook group

[round trellis]

i think that was uncs

facebook was p popular b4

cuz of the group chats and alumini

i think ppl will just stick to ig

[livid harness]

i think significantly more people studied math to graduate level before going to uni than got into imo

[strange rampart]

While I don’t go to MIT I found at least at Davis platforms were more by activity type than gender similar to what emi said

Like the average hobby club was more likely to be on discord while the pre professional type clubs were more likely to be on slack

Davis also had quite a few class discords that would pop up just for that semester

[dull tiger]

the exclusivity of the award doesn't make it any more valuable than doing hard things like tha tr

[livid harness]

the exclusivity is a result of the competitiveness

both are very valuable and great achievements ofc

[dull tiger]

yes and it's cool and impressive to be an imo competitor, but seething about how admissions is unfair (?) for rejecting an imo participant like the other guy discredits the work of the thousands of other people with similarly impressive feats, those who you've never heard about because the activities they pursue don't generate a name for themselves

[livid harness]

ye

btw did u get in @dull tiger

[dense tangle]

Yeah agreed

Physics and Philosophy too probably. At least the theoretical aspect of Physics

You can find textbooks on any subject. I self-learned Multivariable Calc in a couple of weeks for example with Khan and a book

[dull tiger]

not saying

[livid harness]

what subjects can you not easily teach yourself though?

i mean easily as in not much harder than with person

[dawn sky]

Probably very hands on things

[dense tangle]

Uhh like engineering I guess
Because you need materials for that

Non-theoretical aspects of engineering

[dull tiger]

"enough" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence

you can also grind out math competitions from the age of like 4 (like most imo people do) and do very well at math camps

[dawn sky]

But if you want more abstract stuff, I would suggest indigenous languages of papua new genua with 69 different noun classes

[dense tangle]

Anyone plan to do Putnam, IMC, or ICPC in Uni?

[dawn sky]

I lowkey wanna do Putnam just because how difficult it is, I have no experience in math competitions though, only phys oly

The problems look very nice

[dense tangle]

Same here

I tried to do AMC but my school didn’t let me
So this will be a first, I will do some self-training over summer. See you at the comps if you end up doing it

[round trellis]

froggy

https://tenor.com/view/frog-froge-you-alerted-the-frog-gif-12330504167489313531

imo is p much pinnacle of humanity

[dawn sky]

Ok naa

[old sierra]

prob Putnam and ICPC

[round trellis]

but in all seriousness

its prob the peak in terms of teenage academic awards

[dawn sky]

Maybe yeah

[round trellis]

maybe if u get fields medal or noble prize

which no1 will get

[dawn sky]

But curing cancer is much better though

[round trellis]

u cant cure cancer tho

i mean maybe a specific type

also its rlly not gonna just be 1 person

but im not rlly gonna tolerate any disrespect to imo

its fine if u disagree abt yday but like imo is not smth to take lightly

[dull tiger]

u literally think of urself as inferior to imo participants

ur weird af

[round trellis]

we're all humans equal

[dawn sky]

But some olympiads are objectively better than others :p

[round trellis]

but yea in terms of math i am

[dense tangle]

Alr Alr gl

We will probably be competing in some comps

[round trellis]

i think any1 who thinks theyre on the same level of an imo medalist

should rlly rethink everything through

its like saying u play basketball and could be as good as lebron

[old sierra]

I think I'm on the same level of an imo medalist ||in terms of how chronically online I am||

[dense tangle]

I was surprised by ICPC results

I expected MIT to be high up but last year it was like 11th

[round trellis]

like i get what u mean

the thing is i alr know where i am in society

so thats why im saying this

[dawn sky]

Booo MIT

[round trellis]

everyone's equal but

imo ppl sweat so much for what they are good at

ur discreting the sheer amnt of work, skill and dedicaiton they had to go

[dense tangle]

https://icpc.global/worldfinals/results

[round trellis]

blood sweat and tears

[dense tangle]

Number 1 was Peking

[round trellis]

can u press the x to decomrpess hte link so the chat is more coherent

[old sierra]

idk if everyone is born with the same innate talents and whatnot if that';s what u mean by "equal"

[round trellis]

like humans should be treated equal i mean

[old sierra]

oh yeah ofc

[dense tangle]

There

[round trellis]

but froggy the frog

is acting like

any1 can beat lebron

just cuz they play ball

[old sierra]

lol

[round trellis]

only michale jordan can

kevin durant

and kahwi

and damian lillard

and michale beasly

but aside from this like

[dawn sky]

But for physics I'd say getting ipho gold and mastering UG physics is basically the same

[round trellis]

yea i think what froggy means to say is that

we shouldnt glaze olys that much

which ig could be true

[dawn sky]

That's not the case for imo though, the two have different syllabuses

[round trellis]

but i think the IMO ppl are basically like

mega celebs

in the math world

like a list actors

[dawn sky]

Ok no that's not it

Not in the general math community

[round trellis]

there r 6 medalists in america

they meet the us president

[dense tangle]

Not really

The general math world is more concerned with research. So the mega celebs would be top tier researchers

[round trellis]

well yea

so id say IMO medalists are prob

similar to

rookie of the years

so lebron in 2003

[dawn sky]

More like junior actors maybe

[round trellis]

terrence tao was imo

now fields medalist

top 10 iq in the world in his prime

[dawn sky]

Idk this convo ain't going anywhere

[round trellis]

ig

https://tenor.com/view/ff7-ffvii-frog-frog-form-small-gif-16444113931395331495

[dense tangle]

Anyone here plan on going to academia?

[dawn sky]

Wdym going to academia

Do research?

[dense tangle]

Yeah like become a researcher or professor

[round trellis]

i would if u could get money

[dawn sky]

Yeah I want to actually

[round trellis]

the only way to rlly make good money

is if ur terrence tao

where u can get a half a million dollar paycheck (salary) from UCLA

plus payments from super rich ppl

his yearly income is def over 1 million now

since his ucla salary is around 700k

[dense tangle]

W

I will either go into academia or Quant. Haven’t decided yet

[round trellis]

same

i want to do quant as well

just for the money

[dense tangle]

Good luck 🫡

[worn zinc]

i’d say that getting imo qual from the US puts you at top 6 in the US (out of high school students) at competition math, but not math in general yeah. tho there could be overlap and people from imo could also be top 6 at math in general in the US (out of high school students)

yeah math oly is specific tho

[barren oasis]

What’s imo

[worn zinc]

international mathematical olympiad

[barren oasis]

This thread is too smart for me

💔

[worn zinc]

and theres also math courses like graduate courses

and math research

[worn zinc]

no don’t say that

everyone here is way too cracked for me

i never did well in olys

a lot of ppl way more deserving than i am prolly didn’t get in caltech

i feel like im gonna be the worst there

but who knows tbh

accepted to caltech for astrophysics + applied math despite failing to qualify for the aime for four years in a row 💔

my research got me in mainly i think

and academics

and LORs

and essays

[worn zinc]

i’d hate to meet the current US president tbh

[stuck sail]

Slime him out for us plz /hj

[tough plume]

I didn’t even know what olympiads were until early senior year 😅

Looking into it more now, in retrospect, I would have LOVED doing the biology or math ones, but I guess it is nice having what you enjoy be free from competition, if that makes sense

[dense tangle]

Man I wish I got the chance to compete in one
My school never approved my requests to start an AMC program

Will fulfill the dream at college with Putnam though 🔥

[covert ridge]

i drink soda i eat pizza

[slate steeple]

I’m actually scared for Putnam tho 😭

[dense tangle]

We got this. I started prepping over Spring Break

It's a hard goal, but my goal is to be in the top 5(Putnam Fellow) at least once

[slate steeple]

dang bruh, you are locked. I'm lowkey scared to commit lol.

you got any past comp math experience ?

[slate steeple]

Last Putnam first place got a 110/120 🥶

[dense tangle]

Yes I have done many, but I wasn't able to do the main AMC/AIME/AMO track

[old sierra]

what r u using to prep

Putnam and Beyond?

[dense tangle]

I got this book
Before actually prepping with practice questions, I figured I would actually train on problem-solving itself, since that's really most of the work
Once I learn the strategies from here and practice them, then I will start actual IMO and Putnam questions(and use the strats)

[dense tangle]

From what I have heard, that book skims through stuff pretty fast, so to learn the material, I was planning to get individual textbooks of each subject and just use those to gain a deeper understanding

As a coincidence, I have already been working on Linear Algebra Done Right, and it turns out it's on the test. That worked out well
Highly recommend that book for Linear Algebra, it's available for free on the author's site https://linear.axler.net/LADR4e.pdf

[round trellis]

does anyone know what its like

meeting sm1 who was an IMO medalist?

[round trellis]

bruh

whyd sm1 ghost ping me

[strange rampart]

What do you expect

I think we’ve had some in this server before

[round trellis]

bruh no way

who

[strange rampart]

Not for you to know

[round trellis]

😢

[strange rampart]

Honestly so many a2cers win awards that I hear are prestigious they all muddle together

And the reason they muddle together is because none of the people who win them seem abnormal to me as people

So I don’t end up remembering that they won those things

[tough plume]

Do you do imo hopscotch

[strange rampart]

I knew nothing abt olympiads pre A2C that if somebody told me they were competing in one I would’ve congratulated them and asked which sport

[strange rampart]

One thing I have realized over the years is that many a2cers think if they attend a t20 they will be exempt from ever doing anything dumb ever again

Yet every year I have college kids from hypsm to non flagship state schools asking me how to go talk to someone in class they have a crush on or how to get rid of their first major hangover

[round trellis]

damn

[tough plume]

Me too 😅😅😅 I found out literally this Octoberish

[strange rampart]

I also just now realized you were saying “do you do imo” to a user named hopscotch and not making a joke about the existence of imo hopscotch

Too much to keep up with 🥀

[tough plume]

Its okay I would do international math olympiad hopscotch if it was an option anyways XD

Commas save lives smh

[halcyon plume]

the guy that got admitted from egypt this cycle had the highest IOI rank in arab history

man this applicant pool is too competitive for me lmao 😭

[barren oasis]

When I first heard IMO I thought it means “in my opinion”

[dense tangle]

Not even lying I have met two people on Discord who claimed to be IMO medalists

Both turned out to be larpers
Both in Gohar’s server

[round trellis]

yea id be surprised

6 IMO medalist each year in the US

[dense tangle]

Not really
It’s probably fewer on average. There are 6 participants but not all of them get medals

[serene crescent]

there's one in my math class

[dense tangle]

Ur at MIT?

[serene crescent]

yeah

[round trellis]

whats the gap

between him and every1 else in the class

[serene crescent]

🤷‍♀️ they're pretty goated but idk how you want me to describe it

[round trellis]

like did u get imposter syndrome

also do they acknowledge theyre better in class

[serene crescent]

i think better is not the right way of thinking about it

[serene crescent]

no? actually i tthink they made me have less imposter syndrome

because they just seem rlly chill 🤷‍♀️

one of the friends i went to hs with is also at mit and he's absurdly cracked at math

and the thought of people who are more cracked at math than him made me feel very imposter syndrome. but it turns out that he's actually just very cracked

[dense tangle]

Damn W can I ask your ECs if you don't mind

[serene crescent]

idk i lowkey did random shit

[dense tangle]

Did u have any national or international awards? Lowkey I think my awards are what cooked me

[serene crescent]

no not rlly

[dense tangle]

My highest was state

[serene crescent]

prob my best single thing was a lor from the ceo of a cybersec firm i interned at

[dense tangle]

Oh damn internships are huge that makes sense
Cracked

I notice again how random admissions is though, my friend did something similar but got rejected

[old sierra]

It seems random to u but it's not very random to AOs tbh

You don't get to see the whole application and ecs are only a part, along with other nuances like IPs

[dense tangle]

What's the full form of IPs

[old sierra]

You mean like what it stands for?

[dense tangle]

yea

[old sierra]

Institutional Priorities

[dense tangle]

Oh
first time hearing about it

Mind giving examples? Still want to learn about admissions a little bit more, since it will be helpful in grad apps in the future

[little glen]

i think its how some schools prioritize different qualities in applicants

some are drawn more to leadership and community service/character, others like to see research/professional/work experience, others pure academic rigor/performance, and some like when applicants have a uniqueness to them that helps them build a diverse class

many schools have multiple priorities but may put some first

[old sierra]

They're certain priorities that an institution needs to fulfill to keep their rankings high, promote social wellbeing & mobility, along with diversity, and keep their board of trustees happy or whatever

i.e. First-Generation, Low-Income Students, Students from Underrepresented Geographic Regions (All 50 states is pretty important at some schools), Legacy, Development Cases, & Recruited Athletes are pretty important for a lot of schools, and then obviously each school has specific priorities like Yale wants to really develop their STEM department, so they may be more inclined to take more STEM students/there might be some additional context given that they want more STEM students and then there's programs like YES scholar which also make it more enticing for the student to attend

[barren oasis]

Does mit have English major

[serene crescent]

yes

[serene crescent]

lowkey idk how i got in places

[serene crescent]

i will say a lot of people seem to be cross admits, like i got stanford too

i just dunno why i got in anywhere

[dense tangle]

alr ty

Do you know if ECs and awards are weighted based on personal economics situation? Like for example if Student A and Student B do the same stuff but one is high income and one is low income, will ECs of the latter be scaled higher
Just wondering because it would make sense

[old sierra]

Yes

You're evaluated within your context

[dense tangle]

You probably had really good essays.

I think one of the big factors in my rejection were the essays, because I straight up rushed them on the due date
My Stanford essays were my best, so hopefully I have good results for that

[old sierra]

Maybe they just had a good application lol

It's not really a component-wise evaluation

Your application is considered as a whole

[dense tangle]

No because they were saying they don't know how they got in with those ECs, the next biggest thing is Essays so I was proposing that must be very good
It was just speculation from the comment

But yeah it's holistic so the entire app must have been goated

[old sierra]

I see

[strange rampart]

The reality is save for if you view your admissions file and they show comments where AOs directly say what they liked abt your app (which idk if mit does that) you will not know

And that same reality will happen when you get an internship or a job

Except they won’t even have an admissions file you can try to look at

[strange rampart]

@dense tangle this is also why it’s not worth asking around

[dry star]

I think MIT shreds ur app after ur decision

[strange rampart]

AFAIK schools don’t usually shred the entirety of your app bc they have to legally show its “served its purpose” to do so but they don’t have to show you your admissions comments

They legally only have to show you what you submitted

Which if you saved your application before you submitted is gonna look about the same

[vapid owl]

what happens if u chose not to waive the right to see letters of rec

is that a sign of death for ur odds

i heard thats very bad to do that

[dry star]

Not entirely but your rec letters become almost worthless

[vapid owl]

and u should always waive

curiosity kills the cat ig

[dry star]

Waiving ur rights only means u cant demand to see the letter tho i think

If u ask and they accept they can show u afaik

[vapid owl]

oh word

[dry star]

But double check

[strange rampart]

In the application you'll be asked if you want to waive the right to review confidential letters of recommendation. What you should you know about this waiver?

• Waiving your right lets colleges know that you do not intend to read your recommendations, which helps reassure colleges that the letters are candid and truthful.
• Some recommenders may decline to write a letter for you if you do not waive your rights. Check with your counselor or teachers to see if any of them follow such a policy.

https://appsupport.commonapp.org/applicantsupport/s/article/What-is-the-FERPA-Waiver

[strange rampart]

Correct

Kids always panic abt this

You’re not breaking the law bc your teacher voluntarily showed you your lor

You just don’t have the legal right to see it if you request your admissions file once you enroll

Which for all colleges I’m aware of means you will not be seeing them when you request your file

[barren oasis]

Is there any good boba places near mit

[crimson ginkgo]

application will genuinley be fried

[old sierra]

U can test it for us

😀

[vapid owl]

no

u big meanie

tell me how to get into harvard

[old sierra]

Apply

And then be a chud and eat yummy food with your friends to lower your cortisol

And then stalk your portal religiously for the slightest change to spike your cortisol

And then skip to December 19th and open your portal nonchalantly

Hope this helped

[vapid owl]

thanks twin

[old sierra]

Yw

[barren oasis]

Adopt a blue kitty, that’s how u get into Harvard

[dense tangle]

Write your personal statement about Skibidi Toilet
Easiest way to get auto-accepted

[old sierra]

Exactly

[serene crescent]

yeah

[barren oasis]

I wonder how hard is it to get into MIT as a transfer

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-the-cat-jinx-jinx-cat-cat-computer-gif-25786466

[tough plume]

I believe in you :D

[night coral]

Hannah Cairo

[night coral]

its like

not all that

theyre just like

normal people

IMO medalist \neq some kind of godly being

they're pretty normal kids, idt the average person would be able to distinguish them from a precocious high school math enthusiast

[night coral]

what kind of a person larps as an imo medalist

what leads a person to do this

[round trellis]

yea shes a prodigy lol. she prob didnt have the resourecs to do IMO and stuff like that. if sm1 trained her at a young age for IMO she would prob have medalded.

[round trellis]

i would

[round trellis]

amnt of ppl like this r very rare

ur right tho there can be ppl insanely good math that dont do comps

math comps arent everything in evaluating best math

[night coral]

maybe

[round trellis]

but i think IMO is just a prestigous title

its sort like NBA

[night coral]

this also assumes that one would want to go to the IMO

[round trellis]

u may not know theres a player named michale beasly

prob best 1v1

[night coral]

note that comp math is not every math nerd's cup of tea

[round trellis]

it just didnt translate that well in a 5v5 game which is what nba is about

lebron isnt the best 1v1 as bum fraud has no handles

[night coral]

yeah i mean probably

"average person" is doing a bit of heavy lifting here

[round trellis]

but hes t3 oat nba player because its a 5v5 game

what i mean to say is that

u wont get teh recongnition

evne if u are good

[night coral]

but i think its pretty hard to distinguish between mopper and imo team member or something idk

[round trellis]

IMO is a status ssymbol best of the best like like MVP

[modern nacelle]

I am IMO 1% t15 HYPSM medalist finalist nationalist Ask me anything

[round trellis]

send proof or larp

[night coral]

r/woosh

[round trellis]

one thing i also noticed is many IMO ppl burn out

the constant studying since age 4

[modern nacelle]

I didnt study actually

[round trellis]

its why many fields medalist never did competitive math or placed at IMO

[modern nacelle]

i signed up as a joke-

[round trellis]

if u burn out too early at a young age

it may have a p big impact later on in life

[night coral]

this isnt the case for everyone

[round trellis]

yea obv

[night coral]

this is the case for some but definitely not the rule

[round trellis]

when i say smth like this im not saying its true for every1

i think most ppl r gonna use their common sense

when reading that

[night coral]

well, also note that comp math is not every math nerd's cup of tea

[round trellis]

yes obv!

i said that too

i think what i mean to say is there r pppl here like mr. froggy who just act like IMO means nothing

its okay to accept the fact that ppl r worse at math and some ppl are better

so many ppl i see try to grind olys and get sad when they dont place but im just confsued why

most of them just do it for the apps and are not even passionate at all

so many ppl barely study and think an A in their precalc class is enough to do well on the AMC or such

u cant be that upset when u didnt grind so much for smth is what i mean to say

lke in general for anything

[night coral]

i backread and i dont think this is what frog said?

[round trellis]

mr. froggy basically said that

[night coral]

er

[round trellis]

IMO isnt everything

[night coral]

not really?

[round trellis]

that the imo ppl

are not that much better

than other students

which isnt true at all

[round trellis]

what did he say

i forgot lwok

[night coral]

yes and it's cool and impressive to be an imo competitor, but seething about how admissions is unfair (?) for rejecting an imo participant like the other guy discredits the work of the thousands of other people with similarly impressive feats, those who you've never heard about because the activities they pursue don't generate a name for themselves

this is like

pretty true ish

i dont think at any point did frog say something about equating imo medalists to other students?

idk

[night coral]

i dont think anyone will argue with you on this

[round trellis]

again

that's why only t6 IMO are auto admits domestic

MIT is a college in the US hence prioritizing american IMO

they dont need every1 else who is IMO

[night coral]

i dont see how this is related

[round trellis]

im saying that

IMO is better tbh

esp IMO gold

ur top of the top

i got in and i think any1 with IMO is better than me

i will openly admit this

[night coral]

better than what

[night coral]

then why arent you in the server

[round trellis]

i dont know what mit saw in me but i think thats where fit/instituationla priroites come in where they dont want every IMO tryhard

[round trellis]

my acocunt my parents manage for schools clubs and stuff

[night coral]

do they not think the mit class of 2030 server might be a good server for you to be in

[round trellis]

bro i cant have a bad impression ppl think im an immature loser

theyre gonna backread everything ive said even tho its just chill talks

[night coral]

what

[round trellis]

i dont want ppl to know anything abt me ill manipulate stuff so they know what i want them to know

[night coral]

ok

[night coral]

i think what frog is trying to get at here is like

something i agree with

which is that like

you shouldnt idolize these people like theyre deities or smth

like sure theyre good at math?

but i dont think you need to like

actively think of yourself as inferior to them, this is kind of an unhealthy mindset to have

[round trellis]

what i mean to say is that why would u join any professional thing esp college with anything that can be linked back to u

[night coral]

or something

[round trellis]

there will be stalkers who read all ur mssgs

friends who will do that

and find details abt ur life

u need to establish a clean slate b4 college esp

[night coral]

because i want to make friends

[round trellis]

not that u did anything bad

[round trellis]

yea me too

bro im saying if i join and sm1 reads all my mssgs i random servers

thats just weird

also im not even commited still waiting on other stuff

but

i hope u get hte point

[night coral]

as if everyone else in there hasnt said weird things ever

[round trellis]

so what

bro i dont say weird stuff 😭

im saying just randm convos

why would u want sm1 to just reads ts and they know u in college

[night coral]

as if everyone else in there hasnt had random convos in other places ever