#Reach schools for Premed
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Bsmds are defijitely reach lol
UNC and Duke!
On-campus hospitals, plus you can go to the other school's hospital very easily for shadowing/opportunities (also WakeMed is in the area)
It's one of the more affordable publics OOS
Definitely not cheap compared to instate tho don't get me wrong
And if your income is low enough you can qualify for Carolina Covenant
CHE and CALS give instate priority
slightly
bc they are state funded
the tuition is also cheaper for instate residents
i go to cornell feel free to ask me anything
also consider brown and duke maybe for their open curriculum, but ik cornell gives good aid + the cheaper instate tuition
however, this fits to one thing u mentioned which is why i didnt immediately recommend cornell:
cornell is quite large, it is difficult to get close with profs
tbf u asked for reaches lol
I would look into somewhere like Carleton College
willaims and amherst are all really good
pomona is also good
same with bowdoin
and swarthmore
they give really good financial aid and are elite LAC's. However, some of these are not near a large hospital but there's def a hospital to volunteer at.
lowkey if ur home is near a hospital u dont need ur college to be near one
like yes it can be nice but its not a need
yeah, amherst is one of the best schools in the nation
i consider it a peer to the school i'm prolly transferring to (Northwestern)
Dang
i think tho amherst is at the same level as northwestern
i would look into amherst, and williams and swarthmore
they're all really really good lac's
and good for pre med
it is very outdoorsy I visited before
very very pretty campus
ofc
T20 uni
- Princeton, pre med 84%
- MIT, pre med 90
- Harvard, pre med 93
- Stanford, pre med 90
- Yale, pre med 90
- Or Uchicago pre med 83
- JHU pre med 96.5
- Upenn pre med 82
- Caltech pre med 90
- Duke pre med unknown in 2017 75 percent
- Northwestern pre med 80 percent
- Dartmouth pre med 90 percent
- Brown 81 percent
- Vanderbilt pre med 80 percent
- Wash U 76 percent
- Rice pre med unspecified too risky
- Columbia pre med 90 percent
- Cornell pre med 76
- Notre dame pre med 84
- Uc Berkeley pre med 54 percent (bad)
- Ucla pre med 50 percent
- Very honourable mention tufts, med school 96% very highβonly sends to tufts med school which is 55
LAC T10
- Williams, pre med 90
- Amherst, 80 percent
- Swarthmore, 76 percent
- Pomonapre med 87
- Bowdoin, pre med 89
- Carleton med 82
- Claremont Mckenna college 100 percent (sketchy lied about other statistics)
- Harvey mudd, unspecified too little med school applicants should be over 85 percent
- Middlebury, med school 90 percent
- Wellesley pre med 76 percent
This is the premed percentage for the schools I made a couple years ago in 2023
however, i don't think princeton is actually good for pre med since most people get weeded out same with somewhere like JHU (hot take) where it says like 900 people are pre-meds (out of 1300) before they go to JHU and like only 400 ish people apply so attrition rate is already 50%
The numbers can certainly be skewed by how good ppl are at weaning themselves out as u mentioned
yeah, the schools i don't recommend in this list are Princeton, MIT actually (people there are extremely smart so it skews it), Caltech, JHU, UCLA, UC Berkeley (the 2 UC's numbers kinda speak for itself), and harvey muud
ofc
yeah true, but at least summer is nice there
i usually would recommend it but with how things are going on I just can't recommend it anymore. I would look into the other ivies instead if u want to go to an ivy.
I would see if the situation gets better or not
the schools if i was in high school again that i would apply to is hypsm minus princeton, Uchicago, Penn, Duke, NOrthwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Willaims, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Carleton and caltech or middlebury. If you are dead set on pre-med i would not apply to caltech tbh
i don't think the summer programs help that much
unless if it's a super super hard one to get into that's like u don't need to pay money to do and like research or something
have u looked into carleton?
i may be slightly biased
oh ic ic
some people think columbia is fine but for me idk if its worth it
that's fair
what schools r u thinking off?
what's sophie davis
that's a decent list i feel like u should maybe add a couple more reaches
oh nice, bs/md are really good
like for ur list I would maybe at Bowdoin
Dartmouth
tbh i really like lac's
cause i went to one for 2 years so far
i don't wanna dox myself
but i got a good internship for research
yeah
also really small classes
i think maybe CWRU is a target?
idk
i would maybe remove nyu
no hate to that school but it's not great for pre med
that's fair
i just don't like how nyu med school doesn't even like their own undergrads
added with how large the class sizes are
and how most classes are weedout
cause of that
lowkry u have a solid list
u have super reachy schools (Harvard, Yale, Penn), reachy schools(Tufts) and lower reach schools (BU, CWRU)
i would just add bowdoin and dartmouth
r u from north carolina?
cause i'm kinda surprsied about UNC
cause if ur not i would replce UNC with Bowdoin or dartmojth
since its OOS tuition
in a classroom of like 500 people a class
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i think some intro classes are huge
it lowkey makes sense as they have 20K undergrads
i think most state schools
i know carnegie mellon and nyu have those types of classes for intro ones
cause i was recruited to them for my sport
(i was good enough for d3 not good enough for the d1 sports)
yeah
do u have a list of targets?
but for ur reach i wouldn't put BU and CWRU as reaches i would say they are more high targets
(compared to the rest of ur lists)
oh nice nice
true
how good is ur ec's?
ur gpa is good but ur sat is not really that great
u don't need shadowing really for them
i would look more so into doing more substantial ec
i think shadowing is a good ec actually
but it's like the bare minimum ec for these top schools
that's fair
good luck!
nice
i would look into maybe doing a couple more leadership ec
and if possible look to do research with a faculty
of an university
it's possible as a high schooler
i did it as a high schooler
i just cold emailed professors
that's fair u shouldn't need to decide rn
i haven't even decided what i'm planning to do
for medicine
yeah do not do that
programs where u have to pay don't look good
like when i mean do research with faculty i mean like
research with a professor where u don't pay them anything
and u just help them do research
yeah that's fair
that's fair, these programs i feel like are kind of a scam
yeah it might be a bit late but it's still worth trying
ik tho most labs are filled up
i think honestly getting into these top schools are all luck based tbh
i got into northwestern while writing about olivia rodrigo
in my personal statement
lol thanks
that's fair, its hard to write a personal statement tbh
that's rough
yeah
tbf tho i don't think u need certifications to get into t10 or t20
i had none
and i got into NU as a transfer
from college
i didnt have any certs until spring of senior year
i did EMT cert feb-may of my senior year bc my local ammbulance corps ran a class it was $800 uninclusive of ntoebook and uniform
i did lifeguard cert may of my freshman year of college
so i could make $$
cpr/first aid certs lowkey get u nothing alone
yeah
cuz nayone can get that
idt it adds to ur app yeah
i would just focus more so on community engagement
and what you can bring to the community
cause i think ultimately that's all that matters
are u leading any clubs?
theres not rlly a place to list ur certifications on ur application to colleges
that's good
wait sorry this is random but is CU columbia uni
cornell
its great experience, but if speaking strictly premed its mid
dang
i just decided to prolly go to NU cause i have a sibling at NU
so i wanted to reunite with him
dang
covid was so rough
that's rough
i only did like 1 club
in high school
i think tbh all that matters in college applications
is what u can bring to the campus and how ur experiences can help the community
doesn't cornell have amazing research tho?
dang
hard to get clinical during academic year
but its fine cuz i do it when home
why
yeah
i think it's the same issue as cornell
the city is so small
so the hospital is small
idk. i wouldve for sure taken more time w my decision of emory vs cornell
i think tho cornell is better than emory
i think tho it depends on the school actually
for clinical hours
i don't think the school size or anything matters for the clinical hours
but the difficulty is alot of lac's are in small towns
why is it hard to get clinical hours at cornell?
is it cause of the location or too many people are trying to get the same volunteer position
bc CUEMS only picks their friends, and its like commitment to transport urself to and from the 30 min away hospital by uber or the few ambulance corps
esp on top of the courseloaf
like
it would take a breed of human to do allat + research + clubs during the year
i like how it forces me to segment stuff so im not overwhelmed tho
like clinical and volunteering over breaks
researchand leadership during year
ehh
i got oxford which i preferred which is smaller, easier LOR and cnxn with prof
id gain stronger ties to GA for GA med schools
id be able to stay if needed over breaks with my uncle
id major in what i want (i wanted bme; tho emory doesnt have eng, they have a program where u BS in whatever and then go to gatech for eng)
damn that's rough, maybe the top LAC's are alot better for clinical hours
dang that's rough
oh ic ic, that's fair. The smaller school would be nice esp when u can choose ur major and with family connection there
also connections to emory med
also spring start where id be able to move to atlanta earlier (with my uncle) and then start some ECs
but like cornell has prestige and um
its cheaper for me slightly
that's fair, i think the cheaper school makes more sense at the end of the day between the two schools
and also cornell is more prestigious as you mentioned before
so it should be able to help you find more opportunities in the future
thats what my parents said
i like the school
i think the ceo of goldman sachs went there
i would still prefer williams, amherst, bowdoin, middlebury, and vassar over hamilton tho in the nescac conference
that's fair, tbh it's hard to turn down an ivy
id pick based on what i get into
unless u meant toning ur list
π
depends on what u want to do
during ur academic year
ud probably want one thats good in ur major/focus of study
could also tone based on distance from home
campu slocation
well bsaed on reputation
cant u apply both
Williams=Amherst (or williams is slightly better)>Swarthmore>Pomona>Wellslely=Bowdoin>Carleton>Middlebury=CMC>Barnard
for pre med i would say williams and amherst are the best 2
i would say pomona is prolly 3rd cause its in LA so good connection to hospitals
i would say swarthmore is also good cause its in philadelphia so easier access to hospitals
make sure if u pick based on distance from hospitals
that ur considering how u actually get there
williams is in the middle of nowhere
that's fair
i would say swarthmore is really good as it's in suburbs of philadelphia (very close to it)
so i'm sure u can get to a hospital pretty easily
hospital proximity is not the most important thing π unless ur home home is in the middle of nowhere
i'm pretty sure a school like amherst prolly has a shuttle/bus
to get there
cause carleton has a service called carls to go where a shuttle kind of picks u up
and takes u to volunteer places
around the city
cornell doesnt do that
oh
neither does columbia
maybe that's a carleton thing
the shuttle takes u like to all volunteer places in the city
maybe its an LAC thing
we have a bus system in ithaca
but its only from 9 am to 5 pm
oh dang
at my school u just call the person the time for pickup
cuLift is reserved for disabilities
like there's a whole system
yes
lac itd be easier to implement
bc less people
like
imagine if all 13k
of cornell undergrads
at carleton it's just like campus go service
wanted personal transport
that's fair
to a hospital
yeah that makes sense
carleton is like 500 people a year
it would be too hard with 13k people
consider
u have classes
until say 4
when would u have the hour to go to hospital
work a shift
come back
do hw
have friends
do clubs
ik wellesley they go to mit/boston parties sometimes
cause i had a varsity d3 sports team
i also had like 3 hours of non clinical volunteering
personally
and then i also was taking like 3 stem classes double lab every quarter
3 ten week classes
and most weekends i was off to play my sports matches
i do a basic bitch premed volunteer club, a project team, 2 research labs, hang out with my friends, go out every week, lifeguard for pay, and full class load during the sem
that's valid
and cultural club participation too
nice
and then during breaks
i think carleton's club scenes are good
i do my clinical and volunteering
that's fair
i'm doing research in breaks
so kinda the reverse lol
i did like a 6 week full time research intern at a top hospital
that's fair
dont believe in them
i also did like a summer research program
and helped a prof conduct research
dang
bc i cba to look at that
r u asian?
yeah
i'm also asian lol
oh
yeah
fair
lol
i aint ask
cause
i saw like u were talking about how u weren't getting stuff
cause of background
and i was like lol same
i'm also not getting anything
tbf the internship for the research was from a cold email
i didnt list my net worth
cause all research at that institution had to be done through an internship
fair my bad
so it was basically just a cold email
i cold emailed for research summer before entering the college
and had it starting my first sem
not that deep
cold emailing is the best
the only bad thing about lac
is sometimes the research
like i couldn't get into any research in chemistry for instance
oh
cause they want students to stay over during summer (which is fair) but that's for all labs
at carleton
fair
but they won't let u do research in school year
if u don't do research over summer
at that school
only our chem department
biology u start whenever
so it's just the chem
same with physics
u start whenever
but it's fine cause i would rather do research at a large institution anyways
i think it's just a carleton chemistry thing
which isn't alot but it's like decent
but those were all accumlated over breaks
yeah i have like 450 research
that's good
400 clinical
that's really good
i think that should be on track tho
and its mostly my project team which idk if it counts
it prolly does
that's not bad
lmfao the lil bots with 8 and 1 π
i recorded my hours on notes
not even gonna include those atp
so it's really hard to read
this is an exmaple
of why it's lowkey kinda cooked for me to document hours
i lowkey should put it on a spreadsheet
i have all the hours jotted down very meticulously but hard to have the exact numbers without calculating
i dont keep track o fthe days
yeah i think i was overly meticoulous
now i just do it out of habit lol
It was fun talking to you guys, @rotund iron and @prisma lantern
i think i might need to sleep rn π¦
good night!
i know of a lot of premeds at amherst idt any of them volunteer at hospitals during the sem
but our placement is p good
we have hospitals 20 and 35 mins away
also as for research doing summer research at Amherst is literally a "backup option" for most people lol
esp in bio/chem labs have hella spots
and you can pretty easily get a return offer for the fall
if i personally knew more I'd ask them but somehow none of my friends are premed lol
It is also a backup option at cornell but unless im on the verge of a pub or am super invested, if i already gain research hours during sem i try to build smth else during summer
that's fair I didn't do any research at my college as I was getting research at better research places
that's fair, i thought cornell is really good for research tho
i mean for premed research you gotta do it in person no?
so during school year you gotta be in a local lab
ig we have umass right nearby and they're r1 but i don't know of anyone doing premed research there
"premed research" isnt like
a unique category of research
π
some research can be done remotely lol but yeah its better to do in person
then ud do it on breaks if u cant get a local one
yeah, i've been just doing research at like different institutions over breaks
@prisma lantern have u decided what schools ur applying to?
that's fire
i think you have a good list
the only other school i would maybe add is bowdoin
Nj