#Reach schools for Premed

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elfin tide
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I suggest updating this thread when you get your retake scote

rotund iron
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Bsmds are defijitely reach lol

stone goblet
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UNC and Duke!

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On-campus hospitals, plus you can go to the other school's hospital very easily for shadowing/opportunities (also WakeMed is in the area)

stone goblet
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It's one of the more affordable publics OOS

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Definitely not cheap compared to instate tho don't get me wrong

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And if your income is low enough you can qualify for Carolina Covenant

viscid cloak
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Cornell CALS or CHE?

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They offer in state and good fin aid

rotund iron
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CHE and CALS give instate priority

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slightly

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bc they are state funded

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the tuition is also cheaper for instate residents

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i go to cornell feel free to ask me anything

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also consider brown and duke maybe for their open curriculum, but ik cornell gives good aid + the cheaper instate tuition

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however, this fits to one thing u mentioned which is why i didnt immediately recommend cornell:
cornell is quite large, it is difficult to get close with profs

rotund iron
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tbf u asked for reaches lol

wraith solstice
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I would look into somewhere like Carleton College

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willaims and amherst are all really good

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pomona is also good

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same with bowdoin

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and swarthmore

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they give really good financial aid and are elite LAC's. However, some of these are not near a large hospital but there's def a hospital to volunteer at.

rotund iron
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lowkey if ur home is near a hospital u dont need ur college to be near one

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like yes it can be nice but its not a need

wraith solstice
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yeah, amherst is one of the best schools in the nation

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i consider it a peer to the school i'm prolly transferring to (Northwestern)

wraith solstice
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Dang

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i think tho amherst is at the same level as northwestern

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i would look into amherst, and williams and swarthmore

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they're all really really good lac's

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and good for pre med

wraith solstice
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it is very outdoorsy I visited before

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very very pretty campus

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ofc

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T20 uni

  1. Princeton, pre med 84%
  2. MIT, pre med 90
  3. Harvard, pre med 93
  4. Stanford, pre med 90
  5. Yale, pre med 90
  6. Or Uchicago pre med 83
  7. JHU pre med 96.5
  8. Upenn pre med 82
  9. Caltech pre med 90
  10. Duke pre med unknown in 2017 75 percent
  11. Northwestern pre med 80 percent
  12. Dartmouth pre med 90 percent
  13. Brown 81 percent
  14. Vanderbilt pre med 80 percent
  15. Wash U 76 percent
  16. Rice pre med unspecified too risky
  17. Columbia pre med 90 percent
  18. Cornell pre med 76
  19. Notre dame pre med 84
  20. Uc Berkeley pre med 54 percent (bad)
  21. Ucla pre med 50 percent
  22. Very honourable mention tufts, med school 96% very highβ€”only sends to tufts med school which is 55

LAC T10

  1. Williams, pre med 90
  2. Amherst, 80 percent
  3. Swarthmore, 76 percent
  4. Pomonapre med 87
  5. Bowdoin, pre med 89
  6. Carleton med 82
  7. Claremont Mckenna college 100 percent (sketchy lied about other statistics)
  8. Harvey mudd, unspecified too little med school applicants should be over 85 percent
  9. Middlebury, med school 90 percent
  10. Wellesley pre med 76 percent
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This is the premed percentage for the schools I made a couple years ago in 2023

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however, i don't think princeton is actually good for pre med since most people get weeded out same with somewhere like JHU (hot take) where it says like 900 people are pre-meds (out of 1300) before they go to JHU and like only 400 ish people apply so attrition rate is already 50%

rotund iron
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The numbers can certainly be skewed by how good ppl are at weaning themselves out as u mentioned

wraith solstice
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ofc

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yeah true, but at least summer is nice there

wraith solstice
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i usually would recommend it but with how things are going on I just can't recommend it anymore. I would look into the other ivies instead if u want to go to an ivy.

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I would see if the situation gets better or not

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the schools if i was in high school again that i would apply to is hypsm minus princeton, Uchicago, Penn, Duke, NOrthwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Willaims, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Carleton and caltech or middlebury. If you are dead set on pre-med i would not apply to caltech tbh

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i don't think the summer programs help that much

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unless if it's a super super hard one to get into that's like u don't need to pay money to do and like research or something

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have u looked into carleton?

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i may be slightly biased

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oh ic ic

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some people think columbia is fine but for me idk if its worth it

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that's fair

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what schools r u thinking off?

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what's sophie davis

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that's a decent list i feel like u should maybe add a couple more reaches

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oh nice, bs/md are really good

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like for ur list I would maybe at Bowdoin

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Dartmouth

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tbh i really like lac's

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cause i went to one for 2 years so far

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i don't wanna dox myself

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but i got a good internship for research

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yeah

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also really small classes

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i think maybe CWRU is a target?

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idk

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i would maybe remove nyu

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no hate to that school but it's not great for pre med

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that's fair

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i just don't like how nyu med school doesn't even like their own undergrads

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added with how large the class sizes are

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and how most classes are weedout

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cause of that

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lowkry u have a solid list

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u have super reachy schools (Harvard, Yale, Penn), reachy schools(Tufts) and lower reach schools (BU, CWRU)

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i would just add bowdoin and dartmouth

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r u from north carolina?

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cause i'm kinda surprsied about UNC

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cause if ur not i would replce UNC with Bowdoin or dartmojth

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since its OOS tuition

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in a classroom of like 500 people a class

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i think some intro classes are huge

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it lowkey makes sense as they have 20K undergrads

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i think most state schools

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i know carnegie mellon and nyu have those types of classes for intro ones

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cause i was recruited to them for my sport

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(i was good enough for d3 not good enough for the d1 sports)

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yeah

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do u have a list of targets?

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but for ur reach i wouldn't put BU and CWRU as reaches i would say they are more high targets

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(compared to the rest of ur lists)

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oh nice nice

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true

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how good is ur ec's?

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ur gpa is good but ur sat is not really that great

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u don't need shadowing really for them

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i would look more so into doing more substantial ec

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i think shadowing is a good ec actually

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but it's like the bare minimum ec for these top schools

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that's fair

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good luck!

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nice

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i would look into maybe doing a couple more leadership ec

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and if possible look to do research with a faculty

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of an university

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it's possible as a high schooler

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i did it as a high schooler

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i just cold emailed professors

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that's fair u shouldn't need to decide rn

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i haven't even decided what i'm planning to do

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for medicine

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yeah do not do that

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programs where u have to pay don't look good

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like when i mean do research with faculty i mean like

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research with a professor where u don't pay them anything

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and u just help them do research

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yeah that's fair

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that's fair, these programs i feel like are kind of a scam

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yeah it might be a bit late but it's still worth trying

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ik tho most labs are filled up

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i think honestly getting into these top schools are all luck based tbh

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i got into northwestern while writing about olivia rodrigo

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in my personal statement

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lol thanks

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that's fair, its hard to write a personal statement tbh

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that's rough

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yeah

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tbf tho i don't think u need certifications to get into t10 or t20

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i had none

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and i got into NU as a transfer

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from college

rotund iron
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i didnt have any certs until spring of senior year

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i did EMT cert feb-may of my senior year bc my local ammbulance corps ran a class it was $800 uninclusive of ntoebook and uniform

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i did lifeguard cert may of my freshman year of college

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so i could make $$

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cpr/first aid certs lowkey get u nothing alone

wraith solstice
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yeah

rotund iron
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cuz nayone can get that

wraith solstice
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i feel like certifications don't help

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with college apps

rotund iron
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idt it adds to ur app yeah

wraith solstice
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i would just focus more so on community engagement

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and what you can bring to the community

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cause i think ultimately that's all that matters

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are u leading any clubs?

rotund iron
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theres not rlly a place to list ur certifications on ur application to colleges

wraith solstice
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that's good

wraith solstice
rotund iron
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cornell

wraith solstice
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oh ic ic

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cornell is fire

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i was thinking about going there for transfer

rotund iron
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its great experience, but if speaking strictly premed its mid

wraith solstice
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i just decided to prolly go to NU cause i have a sibling at NU

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so i wanted to reunite with him

rotund iron
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i didnt do any clubs in hs

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mostly cuz covid

wraith solstice
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dang

rotund iron
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also cuz i transferred for hs

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and i was a loner

wraith solstice
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covid was so rough

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that's rough

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i only did like 1 club

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in high school

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i think tbh all that matters in college applications

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is what u can bring to the campus and how ur experiences can help the community

wraith solstice
rotund iron
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yeah

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i said speaking strictly premed

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the curves r harsh

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the classes r huge

wraith solstice
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dang

rotund iron
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hard to get clinical during academic year

wraith solstice
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😦

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ithaca is very small

rotund iron
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but its fine cuz i do it when home

wraith solstice
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that's good

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would u go to Cornell again if u had the choice?

rotund iron
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why

wraith solstice
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yeah

rotund iron
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why

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tho

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if an LAC is near a hospital it should be easy no?

wraith solstice
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the city is so small

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so the hospital is small

rotund iron
wraith solstice
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i think tho cornell is better than emory

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i think tho it depends on the school actually

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for clinical hours

rotund iron
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eh

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thats not the issue

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the hospitals

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far

wraith solstice
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like the location

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of the school

rotund iron
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not small

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like yeah small but thats not my rasoning

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of why its hard

wraith solstice
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i don't think the school size or anything matters for the clinical hours

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but the difficulty is alot of lac's are in small towns

wraith solstice
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is it cause of the location or too many people are trying to get the same volunteer position

rotund iron
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esp on top of the courseloaf

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like

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it would take a breed of human to do allat + research + clubs during the year

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i like how it forces me to segment stuff so im not overwhelmed tho

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like clinical and volunteering over breaks

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researchand leadership during year

rotund iron
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i got oxford which i preferred which is smaller, easier LOR and cnxn with prof
id gain stronger ties to GA for GA med schools
id be able to stay if needed over breaks with my uncle
id major in what i want (i wanted bme; tho emory doesnt have eng, they have a program where u BS in whatever and then go to gatech for eng)

wraith solstice
wraith solstice
wraith solstice
rotund iron
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also connections to emory med

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also spring start where id be able to move to atlanta earlier (with my uncle) and then start some ECs

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but like cornell has prestige and um

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its cheaper for me slightly

wraith solstice
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that's fair, i think the cheaper school makes more sense at the end of the day between the two schools

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and also cornell is more prestigious as you mentioned before

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so it should be able to help you find more opportunities in the future

rotund iron
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thats what my parents said

wraith solstice
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i like the school

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i think the ceo of goldman sachs went there

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i would still prefer williams, amherst, bowdoin, middlebury, and vassar over hamilton tho in the nescac conference

wraith solstice
rotund iron
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id pick based on what i get into

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unless u meant toning ur list

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😭

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depends on what u want to do

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during ur academic year

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ud probably want one thats good in ur major/focus of study

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could also tone based on distance from home

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campu slocation

wraith solstice
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well bsaed on reputation

rotund iron
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cant u apply both

wraith solstice
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Williams=Amherst (or williams is slightly better)>Swarthmore>Pomona>Wellslely=Bowdoin>Carleton>Middlebury=CMC>Barnard

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for pre med i would say williams and amherst are the best 2

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i would say pomona is prolly 3rd cause its in LA so good connection to hospitals

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i would say swarthmore is also good cause its in philadelphia so easier access to hospitals

rotund iron
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make sure if u pick based on distance from hospitals

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that ur considering how u actually get there

wraith solstice
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i think amherst is in driving distance to a hospital

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i may be wrong tho

rotund iron
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does bro have a car

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😭

wraith solstice
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williams is in the middle of nowhere

rotund iron
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is bro gonna bring the car to campus

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pay crazy ass parking permit fees

wraith solstice
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that's fair

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i would say swarthmore is really good as it's in suburbs of philadelphia (very close to it)

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so i'm sure u can get to a hospital pretty easily

rotund iron
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hospital proximity is not the most important thing 😭 unless ur home home is in the middle of nowhere

wraith solstice
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there's a hospital 6.7 miles from amherst

rotund iron
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id google maps it

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not google ai it

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so u can see how ud need to get there.

wraith solstice
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i'm pretty sure a school like amherst prolly has a shuttle/bus

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to get there

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cause carleton has a service called carls to go where a shuttle kind of picks u up

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and takes u to volunteer places

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around the city

rotund iron
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cornell doesnt do that

wraith solstice
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oh

rotund iron
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neither does columbia

wraith solstice
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maybe that's a carleton thing

rotund iron
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neither do a lot

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of colleges

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😭

wraith solstice
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the shuttle takes u like to all volunteer places in the city

rotund iron
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maybe its an LAC thing

wraith solstice
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like to schools, local hospital (it's a very small hospital tho)

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and etc

rotund iron
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we have a bus system in ithaca

wraith solstice
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but its only from 9 am to 5 pm

rotund iron
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but the bus from the hospital to campus is like

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once every 3 hrs

wraith solstice
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oh dang

rotund iron
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and the trip takes like

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an hour++

wraith solstice
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at my school u just call the person the time for pickup

rotund iron
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cuLift is reserved for disabilities

wraith solstice
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or like there's an app

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and they just pick u up

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and drive u there

rotund iron
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yeah

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ur unique

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this is not

wraith solstice
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like there's a whole system

rotund iron
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common

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😭

wraith solstice
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oh

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so prolly northwestern doesn't have this?

rotund iron
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yes

wraith solstice
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oh

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maybe its a lac thing

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or just a carleton thing

rotund iron
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lac itd be easier to implement

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bc less people

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like

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imagine if all 13k

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of cornell undergrads

wraith solstice
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at carleton it's just like campus go service

rotund iron
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wanted personal transport

wraith solstice
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that's fair

rotund iron
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to a hospital

wraith solstice
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yeah that makes sense

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carleton is like 500 people a year

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it would be too hard with 13k people

rotund iron
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consider

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u have classes

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until say 4

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when would u have the hour to go to hospital

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work a shift

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come back

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do hw

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have friends

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do clubs

wraith solstice
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i never had time to do clubs

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tbh

rotund iron
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ik wellesley they go to mit/boston parties sometimes

wraith solstice
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cause i had a varsity d3 sports team

rotund iron
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oh

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cracked

wraith solstice
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i also had like 3 hours of non clinical volunteering

rotund iron
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personally

wraith solstice
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and then i also was taking like 3 stem classes double lab every quarter

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3 ten week classes

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and most weekends i was off to play my sports matches

rotund iron
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i do a basic bitch premed volunteer club, a project team, 2 research labs, hang out with my friends, go out every week, lifeguard for pay, and full class load during the sem

wraith solstice
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that's valid

rotund iron
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and cultural club participation too

wraith solstice
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nice

rotund iron
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and then during breaks

wraith solstice
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i think carleton's club scenes are good

rotund iron
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i do my clinical and volunteering

wraith solstice
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that's fair

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i'm doing research in breaks

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so kinda the reverse lol

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i did like a 6 week full time research intern at a top hospital

rotund iron
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ah

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i dont do internships

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i just

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do

wraith solstice
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that's fair

rotund iron
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dont believe in them

wraith solstice
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i also did like a summer research program

rotund iron
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when

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everytime i open an app

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it says

wraith solstice
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and helped a prof conduct research

rotund iron
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we prioritize (every race but white and asian)

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and i rage quit

wraith solstice
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dang

rotund iron
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bc i cba to look at that

wraith solstice
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r u asian?

rotund iron
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yeah

wraith solstice
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i'm also asian lol

rotund iron
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and white

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and not low income

wraith solstice
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oh

rotund iron
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and not first gen

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so

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i aint getting jack shit

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if i apply

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πŸ˜‚

wraith solstice
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i'm an asian

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male

rotund iron
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so i just cold email

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oh

wraith solstice
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yeah

rotund iron
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tmi bro dont talk abt that online

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😭

wraith solstice
rotund iron
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thats also crazy to say unprompted

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πŸ’€

wraith solstice
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lol

rotund iron
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i aint ask

wraith solstice
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cause

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i saw like u were talking about how u weren't getting stuff

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cause of background

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and i was like lol same

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i'm also not getting anything

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tbf the internship for the research was from a cold email

rotund iron
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i didnt list my net worth

wraith solstice
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cause all research at that institution had to be done through an internship

wraith solstice
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so it was basically just a cold email

rotund iron
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i cold emailed for research summer before entering the college

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and had it starting my first sem

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not that deep

wraith solstice
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cold emailing is the best

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the only bad thing about lac

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is sometimes the research

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like i couldn't get into any research in chemistry for instance

rotund iron
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oh

wraith solstice
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cause they want students to stay over during summer (which is fair) but that's for all labs

rotund iron
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thats cooke

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oh

wraith solstice
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at carleton

rotund iron
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i mean

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i dont do summer research

wraith solstice
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fair

rotund iron
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i might next summer cuz ill own an apt anyways but

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i j meant during sem

wraith solstice
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but they won't let u do research in school year

rotund iron
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for credit

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oh

wraith solstice
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if u don't do research over summer

rotund iron
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so u just

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dont do research

wraith solstice
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at that school

rotund iron
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oh

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thats crazy

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is this a carleton thing

wraith solstice
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only our chem department

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biology u start whenever

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so it's just the chem

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same with physics

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u start whenever

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but it's fine cause i would rather do research at a large institution anyways

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i think it's just a carleton chemistry thing

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which isn't alot but it's like decent

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but those were all accumlated over breaks

rotund iron
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yeah i have like 450 research

wraith solstice
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that's good

rotund iron
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400 clinical

wraith solstice
rotund iron
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im lacking in underserved

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i have like

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150

wraith solstice
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i think that should be on track tho

rotund iron
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and its mostly my project team which idk if it counts

wraith solstice
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it prolly does

rotund iron
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i mean

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wellroundedness is important

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it makes u unique

wraith solstice
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when accounting for practice and matches lol

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true

rotund iron
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oh its so skinny

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these r my hours

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rn

wraith solstice
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that's not bad

rotund iron
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lmfao the lil bots with 8 and 1 😭

wraith solstice
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i recorded my hours on notes

rotund iron
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not even gonna include those atp

wraith solstice
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so it's really hard to read

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this is an exmaple

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of why it's lowkey kinda cooked for me to document hours

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i lowkey should put it on a spreadsheet

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i have all the hours jotted down very meticulously but hard to have the exact numbers without calculating

rotund iron
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i dont keep track o fthe days

wraith solstice
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yeah i think i was overly meticoulous

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now i just do it out of habit lol

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It was fun talking to you guys, @rotund iron and @prisma lantern

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i think i might need to sleep rn 😦

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good night!

serene ledge
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i know of a lot of premeds at amherst idt any of them volunteer at hospitals during the sem

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but our placement is p good

serene ledge
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also as for research doing summer research at Amherst is literally a "backup option" for most people lol

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esp in bio/chem labs have hella spots

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and you can pretty easily get a return offer for the fall

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if i personally knew more I'd ask them but somehow none of my friends are premed lol

rotund iron
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It is also a backup option at cornell but unless im on the verge of a pub or am super invested, if i already gain research hours during sem i try to build smth else during summer

wraith solstice
wraith solstice
serene ledge
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so during school year you gotta be in a local lab

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ig we have umass right nearby and they're r1 but i don't know of anyone doing premed research there

rotund iron
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a unique category of research

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😭

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some research can be done remotely lol but yeah its better to do in person

rotund iron
wraith solstice
wraith solstice
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@prisma lantern have u decided what schools ur applying to?

wraith solstice
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that's fire

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i think you have a good list

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the only other school i would maybe add is bowdoin

rotund iron
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Nj