University of Michigan (UMich) (2024-2025)

[supple abyss]

god damm, can u send a loci

[mental peak]

arent uj a columbia ed

[quick dust]

it was similar to this rate

[outer mural]

no

[latent flower]

rigor: youre taking undergrad level classes thats generally standardized

[hybrid flicker]

Yes

Nut

But

[nocturne escarp]

looks like they accidentally rejected me guys

[hybrid flicker]

My bf got waitlisted

[latent flower]

schools arent teaching magic classes that magically make you learn more

[mental elk]

true

[viral venture]

Who likes Michigan anyways

[tidal peak]

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-me-trying-to-find-who-asked-spongebob-spunch-bob-gif-22526294

[spiral crescent]

how is the mich rd a2c acceptance rate lower than caltech and yale a2c acceptance rate

[latent flower]

ranking / prestige: now this one really depends a lot

[mint whale]

rejected omg 😭 was not expecting that

[latent flower]

in my country at least michigan is a lot more well known than northwestern

[mint whale]

i got usc tho so idec

[wispy turret]

WHO WAS WAITLISTED TOSS

[plush tangle]

waitlist 🙏 UCLA '29 ig

[mental elk]

on god?

[wispy turret]

ROSS

[nocturne escarp]

peak

[latent flower]

and within the states the difference is frankly tiny

[zenith urchin]

rejected

[mental elk]

i feel like northwestern has outsized prestige even for its ranking

[scarlet solar]

Waitlisted :((

[wispy turret]

WHO WAS WAITLISTED ROSS

[surreal thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3l3soEfg00

[mental elk]

where i am

[stuck rune]

I think generally public unis are gonna be more well known than private ones

[summer flume]

i donit believe any acceptances til i see a letter 😭

[mental peak]

I mean Penn state is more well known than UPenn

[latent flower]

ill answer in the perspective of an international student given your status, size of the alumni network matters just as much as well

[surreal thunder]

and penn state lets any international student in

[mental elk]

ok yea i just realized im definitely biased

[mental peak]

Yeah

[granite zinc]

umichigan is a fake uni

[nocturne escarp]

umich 0% acceptnce rate is INSANE

[summer flume]

EA 😭

[granite zinc]

with all rejections

[high vault]

You were EA

[white escarp]

I swear everyone got waitlisted

[spiral crescent]

Gg

[granite zinc]

the whole campus is a facade

[junior thistle]

is the waitlist the same for all applicants or different depending on the specific college like LSA

[dusky plover]

the and YOU is sending me

[spiral crescent]

i know im trolling

[tidal peak]

yeah if im being honest i have always known umich > nu but maybe that sentiment is different in other areas

[mental elk]

ea 💔

[latent flower]

yale for cs?

[wispy turret]

WHO WAS WAITLISTED TOS

PLSS SOMEONE LMK

[wispy jay]

got in and didn’t write a loci 😭

[high vault]

Check pins

[wispy turret]

IF U WERE WAITLISTED AT ROSS

ok

[spiral crescent]

eecs yeah

[wispy turret]

TY

[wanton geyser]

too bad i’m just lazy and didn’t do EA for any schools

[hidden flame]

same lol

[summer flume]

bro did deadass 0 ppl get in 😭

[white escarp]

EVERONE DID

[mental elk]

CMU ahh waitlist 💔

[reef remnant]

umich only accepted the ivy ppl for RD 💀

[valid sparrow]

Ayy same

[crude nacelle]

damn

[wispy turret]

EVERYONE GOT WAITLISTED FROM ROSS??

[latent flower]

ill give another point that people usually overlook, sports

[valid sparrow]

Bro fifth waitlist istg

[tawdry sandal]

Did everyone get waitlisted or something

[wispy jay]

couple a harvard and michigan people

[ripe temple]

Congrats to anyone that got in!

And it's alright to anyone that got rejected! Have hope for your future!

[stable kite]

Waitlisted

[high vault]

Poll

[white escarp]

YES I GOT WAITLSITED I HAVENT SEEN A ACCEPTENCE

[stable kite]

Me no care

[formal steeple]

wait rlly?? even over harvard 😭

[haughty bison]

Rip bro

[nocturne escarp]

fuck umich bro
first they destroy my bracket now they destroy my application

[latent flower]

when you walk up to an alumni and want to bring up a conversation, you need some form of conversation starter

michigan is a sports powerhouse

[white escarp]

were u ea or rd

[amber willow]

I got waitlisted everywhere, bruh I’m just not good enough

[reef remnant]

UCSD > umich anyways bruh

i love california

[latent flower]

firstly all the alumni knows about sports, you can walk up to any alumni and just start talking about football

[wispy turret]

Wait the pinned msg is waitlisted overall but is Ross the same or no

[latent flower]

easy connection here

[wispy turret]

Does Ross have a different waitlist date

[high vault]

No but the point is literally nobody got in

[wispy turret]

Rate

[surreal thunder]

imagine seeing snow more than the sun

[wispy turret]

Help

[haughty bison]

Ea

[valid sparrow]

The only waitlist I have hope on is UCSD praying that they take me in 🙏🙏

[latent flower]

and given the sports success michigan has an insane alumni culture, when i told people that im going to michigan i had multiple older alumnis take me out to food and give me advice

[white escarp]

i shoulda eaed that seems like the only way to get in

[outer mural]

thank u for rejecting ur spot bro

[latent flower]

i had a job interview where the interviewer turned out to be a michigan alum

[outer mural]

i rlly appreciate it

[summer flume]

ppl lyin aint nobody got into umich 😭

[ripe temple]

This, the alumni alone is insane

[high vault]

Here’s our Yale RD data for comparison

[spiral osprey]

Mich came thru, im in 🙏🙏🙏

[mental peak]

This applied to northwestern too

[nocturne escarp]

you've got this man

[latent flower]

we just talked about football for a few min and it really helped bring us together

[wanton geyser]

yup

[latent flower]

and i ended up getting an offer 😉

[nocturne escarp]

BAHAHAHAHA WTF

[valid sparrow]

Thanks bud :)

[latent flower]

northwestern sports is hot trash lol

[hidden flame]

im declining my offer for all yall on the waitlist 🙏

[outer mural]

thank you

[latent flower]

my friend went there and his dad is a michigan alum so hes a michigan fan

[native onyx]

Waitlisted.

[latent flower]

he said northwestern sports is dead

[wanton geyser]

soldier

[safe fjord]

harder to get waitlisted than accepted

[empty axle]

guys all of u deserve better than being a michigan wolverine they're not allat trust

[formal steeple]

maybe cuz umich is a public school and theres not a lot of people from michigan in this server

[haughty bison]

Any Ross people here?

[obsidian island]

bro

[haughty bison]

New Ross people I mean

[obsidian island]

5

[obsidian island]

fucking

wls

not

now

are

u

srs

[amber willow]

at least I got 4% aero at cal poly

[haughty bison]

I got 6

[valid sparrow]

Lmao same man which colleges for you?

[high vault]

Erm

[tidal peak]

cope

[hidden flame]

2 other ppl got into mich in my school and it wasnt their top choice either

[safe fjord]

the acceptance rate on the surveys usually ticks up after a while, it was something like this for EA too

[hidden flame]

thats 3 ppl on the wl

[summer flume]

6 pathalogical liars

[wispy turret]

Hopefully people who got in deny acceptance

[obsidian island]

they censored me for saying cmu

[wispy turret]

Like their yield can’t be that good

[latent flower]

nice, ik a few people there in cs theyre doing well

[spiral crescent]

their yield is like 46% i think?

[haughty bison]

Ye I wanted to know specifically for ross

[wispy turret]

That’s like bad right

[wispy turret]

Same

[mental elk]

why would there be an only ross poll

[latent flower]

ones going to meta ones going to citadel

[spiral crescent]

yeah i was really happy when i got mich cs too 😢 really would have gone here if not for yale

[haughty bison]

I wasn't polling

[mental peak]

nah im talking about alumni culture lol

[wispy turret]

Diff admissions

[spiral crescent]

not rlly

[haughty bison]

I was asking

[mental elk]

oh ok

[high vault]

My point is if there’s only 6 overall there are probably not many if any for Ross

[spiral crescent]

for such a big school its not that bad of a yield

[valid sparrow]

Oh wow hoping you get off the waitlist at the one you wish for

:)

[spring oracle]

and can u make it super veinyyy

[wispy turret]

Omg 😭😭😭

[haughty bison]

Oh ic

[obsidian island]

thanks😭

[latent flower]

thats fair i cant say much about them

[inner moth]

where can i see the poll?

[spiral crescent]

they account for yield in admissions

[wispy turret]

Pinned

[high vault]

Pins

[safe fjord]

#1268245061699637328 message

[inner moth]

man thank god i applied EA 😭

[crude nacelle]

fr

[spiral crescent]

So if their yield is ~50% and their class size is 2000, they will admit 4000

[mental peak]

😭 ru gonna go?

[stuck rune]

Bro same what is this massacre 😭

[spiral crescent]

same lol

[crude nacelle]

i lowk got rejected to all my RDs

[mental elk]

Wait so what do we think about this waitlist
Is it as bad as CMU or no

[spiral crescent]

i would stay on it

i know ppl who got off waitlist

[mental elk]

I applied EA and then got deferred

[prisma zodiac]

i got in

[mental elk]

huh

[spiral crescent]

congrats!!!!!

[junior thistle]

Pharm Sci did not have ea 😔

[latent flower]

i know a few people who got off waitlist last year and two years ago

[inner moth]

no, too expensive. UMIch is good but not for 56k a year

[spiral crescent]

like last year i know some ppl who got off waitlist

[latent flower]

certainly dont count on it

[supple abyss]

decline offer please lmfaoo

[mental elk]

anyways i think ucsd '29 might be my future
i am NOT getting into stanny and probably not duke either

[spiral crescent]

don't count on it but i would stay and write a loci

[mental peak]

where do u plan on attending? UIUC?

[prisma zodiac]

thank u i lowk had no hope cuz i didnt ea

[mental elk]

yea i got you

[latent flower]

what are you looking to study

[fiery matrix]

18k waitlist were done for

[spiral crescent]

you deserve it!!! are you going to commit?

[inner moth]

im going to today actuallly. My final decision has been made

[mental elk]

mechanical engineering

[spiral crescent]

hey at least they take around 1k

[latent flower]

ucsd is p nice for mech

[inner moth]

damn howd you guess?

[summer flume]

u might be the goat icl

[spiral crescent]

BU is 20k waitlist and they take 34 lol

[mental elk]

yea ik my cousin is there rn

hes graduating this june

[latent flower]

ucsd is in a nice place too

[mental peak]

remember you said you were a cs major

[latent flower]

look back a couple years later

[mental elk]

i know
i'd be happy to go there

[latent flower]

youll find out that the margin of difference between most universities are pretty small

[mental elk]

it's just

[inner moth]

damn i thought your username sounded familiar

[latent flower]

a lot smaller than the individual differences between students at a school

[mental elk]

damn i applied to over 10 t20s and didnt get into a single one

[fiery matrix]

same

[latent flower]

so did i, sometimes that is life

[mental elk]

yea that makes sense

[mental elk]

Wait so where are you right now?

[latent flower]

michigan

there are 20k valedictorians from the states every year

the ivies combined take less than that

[mental elk]

whats really pmo is my irl friends got into like harvard and princeton and such
which ofc i'm really happy for them but
idk

[prisma zodiac]

depends on financial aid i alr got 80k from case sooo

[latent flower]

there are just far too many more talented students

than there are spots on campus

[mental peak]

have a friend who got rejected from UCD, UCSD, UCI, UCB, UCLA and got into Cornell yesterday 😭

[wispy jay]

me too ‼️

[latent flower]

if you got into harvard, great you are an incredible student with incredible achievements

[dawn basin]

Do you think most t20 universities give more or less the same outcomes?

[spiral crescent]

ah

[stone briar]

can’t tell if i got waitlisted cuz everybody got waitlisted or cuz they actually think my application was good 😭😭

[latent flower]

that doesnt imply that if you dont get into harvard, you dont have incredible achievements

[mental peak]

Yes

[latent flower]

in my industry which is software, yes

[mental elk]

holy hell

[spiral crescent]

you could always try and negotiate but umich is not usually good at matching other aid offers

[wispy jay]

yes

[thorn bridge]

bro isnt this servers sample size already the better half of applicants? and still sub 10 acceptance rate

[latent flower]

in most other industries, yes too

[mental elk]

duke 🙏

[wispy jay]

like literally statistically for the most part yes

[mental peak]

Had a 35% in EA so I think they just didn’t rly do rd this yr

[dusk sluice]

does waitlist prioritize in state or is it equal for oos chances

[latent flower]

think about it this way

the schools select people that they think will be successful in the future

these students then go on to be successful

[spiral crescent]

well it is RD and they probably prioritize instate students for RD

[latent flower]

now from an outsiders perspective

[spiral crescent]

and take more of their class through EA

[dawn basin]

Like For me I’m trying to decide between umd and umich rn, 30k total diff, would you say outcomes are too similar to justify the extra 30k?

[latent flower]

they see that graduates from a specific university all go do incredible things

[thorn bridge]

no way thats true because everyone i know got deffered

[latent flower]

and think that its the school thats the common denominator

[thorn bridge]

i had ivy league friends who got deferred

[mental peak]

Look at the pins im talking about A2C ar

[latent flower]

no, its the fact that these students are all talented and would succeed without the school

[latent flower]

what are you looking to study

[mental elk]

i know you didnt mean it but the implication of this statement for people who didnt get in is kinda funny

[spiral crescent]

or maybe they just had more people commit early so they didn't accept as many people

[wraith ember]

are waitlist decisions rolling

[mental peak]

Yeah

[shadow shore]

at least its not 0.5%

[latent flower]

p -> q does not imply q -> p

[mental elk]

fair

[mental elk]

fall 2021 and fall 2022 😭

i know what happened in 2021

wtf happened in 2022

[dawn basin]

Cs for both

[shadow shore]

something tells me its gonna be going below 5% this year

[mental elk]

yeah lol

[wanton geyser]

this for umich 😭

[shadow shore]

yeah

[latent flower]

will you go into debt for mich

[true parrot]

I got waitlisted

[wanton geyser]

we’re cooked y’all lmfao

[fiery matrix]

5% 💀

[thorn bridge]

i started playing mr brightside for nothing

[dawn basin]

I’m not sure, I don’t have the money saved up rn but depends on how internships go, but most likely yes for a bit

[spiral crescent]

nah since they didnt accept as many RD they might need to dip into wl

[stable kite]

Make mich an Ivy League alr

[shadow shore]

i think they overaccepted EA

[spiral crescent]

Its not in the northeast.

[latent flower]

heres what id say, it depends a lot from people to people

[spiral crescent]

my idea too

[white escarp]

Oh 100%

[spiral crescent]

i think they had too many people commit EA

more than expected at least

[white escarp]

But still rd shouldn’t have been this cooked tho

[latent flower]

what youre bsically saying over here is that you want to take a risk of 120k in loans

[kindred fulcrum]

Anyone know the RD acceptance rate?

[latent flower]

to see if you can land a substantially better offer post grad

to justify that cost

[stable kite]

It’s not a private either, I wa sayibg cz the acceptance is so goddamn low

[white escarp]

It’s actually like a 5% rd acceptence rate

[spiral crescent]

LMFAO real

[valid sparrow]

Last year waitlist was 5.18% but usually it’s been lower then 1%

[spiral crescent]

no way

[valid sparrow]

Sigh

[spiral crescent]

whats their class size

they had 115k apps this year

[nocturne pike]

i think this year was so fucking competitive that ppl who would usually have committed to an ivy committed to umich

[white escarp]

I’m just guessing based of everyone’s decisions so far

[dawn basin]

No 30k total difference since id only be paying one year for each

[latent flower]

for some people this is true, there are jobs out there that pay 500k to new grads

[white escarp]

I was talkings strictly RD

[latent flower]

why one year

[stuck rune]

Wha what jobs

I need this job

[spiral crescent]

lemme do some math

[dawn basin]

my parents agreed to cover the other 3 years regardless of whether it's mich or umd

[latent flower]

proprietary trading firms / hedge funds

[spiral crescent]

they enroll around 7.5k

so they prob accepted 15k

[quick dust]

The kinda job ryans tryna get 💀

[latent flower]

oh yeah do mich then lol

i made 35k from my last internship

[spiral crescent]

around 13% RD acceptance rate

probably lower

[kindred fulcrum]

do they release stats

[outer mural]

do i send michigan my love letter

[white escarp]

IMO def under 10

[spiral crescent]

i think acceptance rate is from 7-13%

[dawn basin]

i was talking to someone who said the same, firstly congrats that's incredible, do a lot of cs students at mich do that?

[spiral crescent]

so 10% MoE 3%

[spiral crescent]

goddamn

[white escarp]

Ur can’t account for ea over acceptance so id lean towards lower end

[spiral crescent]

how are we sure of EA overacceptance tho

[white escarp]

DAMN where tf did u intern

[spiral crescent]

do we have the stats for that

[latent flower]

you can search up how much companies pay here

https://www.levels.fyi/internships/

[latent flower]

tesla, i worked for 20 weeks tho

[white escarp]

We will soon probably

[white escarp]

Damnn that’s fire

[spiral crescent]

how did u get internships, just networking?

[latent flower]

so its certainly longer than a normal 12 week internship

[latent flower]

i applied online and passed the interview

[white escarp]

What school do u go to

[latent flower]

michigan

why would i be here otherwise

[white escarp]

Oh yea right

[dawn basin]

so you think overall opportunities like jobs/internships at mich > umd enough to justify the extra 30k?

[tame sage]

So do I repeal my rejection or

[wraith ember]

does mich accept loci

[crude nacelle]

EA acceptance was definitely high cus every single peson who applied EA from my school got in

[summer flume]

thinkin about that too

[kindred fulcrum]

i did one when i got deferred but def has a word limit

[dawn basin]

is it like 1% of students getting these good internships at mich or is it actually something a good amount do?

[latent flower]

if youre just looking to go for big tech companies / unicorns you can go for either

[latent flower]

1%

well

heres how id put it

[kindred fulcrum]

anyone know are classes large at mich for like science classes

[olive valve]

they don’t accept appeals

[latent flower]

amazon pays 60$/hr for their interns this here

thats 29k for 12 weeks

obviously you gotta account for tax

[dawn basin]

wait so only 1% of students get those kinds of opportunities though? or did i misunderstand

[latent flower]

for amazon / other tech companies a sizeable amount do

for jobs that pay 500k, 1% lol

[untold yew]

chopped

chopped

im chooppped chin

[latent flower]

are you from taipei

i think you go to my hs

[dawn basin]

oh yeah for sure, but for like a 20-30k 12 week internship, because I figured if i was able to get one for even 2 years that'd be a significant amount of money I could use to put toward the last year

[latent flower]

@untold yew

[wanton carbon]

I GOT INTO UMICH FOR ECE NO WAY

[latent flower]

congrats!

[signal crag]

Fire

[latent flower]

20k-30k certainly attainable

[untold yew]

lol i used to go

in ms

[latent flower]

do you have previous programming experience?

[latent flower]

oh nice

[dense stone]

dang

any ross accepted?

[untold yew]

i moved back to us for hs tho

[dawn basin]

yeah I know some python/java and a bit less web

[latent flower]

heres what id say

[dawn basin]

but i only started 2 years ago

[latent flower]

i dont think that the outcomes will differ that much between the two schools except at the tippy top

however i also dont think 30k is a large enough difference that reaches "pick the cheaper school" category

[tawdry sandal]

Can I see the rejection letter

Anyone

[latent flower]

i think you should pick the school that you think you would enjoy more

and look at incoming credit transfer too

[eternal flame]

rejected ross

[gray aurora]

this is cmu level waitlisting

[empty lark]

Yay! Got in

[dawn basin]

yea i did calc 1 and 2 at a local community college and some programming classes, but unfortunately I don't think umd accepts that

[solid island]

is there anychance waitlist 😭😭

[latent flower]

you can check if michigan accepts it here

[dense stone]

imma open mine in a min

[supple abyss]

like 5%

[latent flower]

https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/transfer-applicants/transfer-credit

[supple abyss]

its luck

[latent flower]

look into AP too

[dense stone]

i’m in class rn

pls ross

take me

[dawn basin]

ty

[dense stone]

michigan reject

rip

[tawdry sandal]

did anyone here get rejected? does it also say for you guys transfer after 2 years or whatever?

[dawn basin]

it says "expired" for calc 2, does that mean it wont transfer?

[dense stone]

DAM. THIS IS EMBARASING

[latent flower]

it means you need to submit it again

[dense stone]

yeah

it’s cause ross

[tawdry sandal]

ok

[distant mica]

It’s better than other school with like 0.1% acceptance rates off of waitlist

[wanton geyser]

i’m waitlisted from 5 schools seems like they vary from 1% to 20% depending on year

[primal crow]

do you have to pay to accept a spot on the waitlist

[supple abyss]

same

[summer shore]

Waitlisted, not accepting it

[dawn basin]

wdym? like ask my community college to submit it or me personally

[latent flower]

yeah something like that

[outer mural]

no

[latent flower]

my personal take is that for recruiting, starting early and coming in with the right mindset matters most

[dense stone]

did anyone get in ross

[latent flower]

and i think umd is good enough at least for all the tech companies

[solid island]

just put the waitlist in the bag

[sage flame]

who got waitlisted!!

[solid island]

thank you

[dawn basin]

agreed, just trying to see if mich is worth the extra 30k. For me it feels really close one way or another

anecdotally are people that look for internships/jobs at mich finding them? In your experience

[summer shore]

I’ve declined or taken myself off of all of my waitlists lol

[solid island]

did u get in umich cs?

[supple abyss]

50%+

[dawn basin]

Yeah

[summer shore]

There’s just no point when I don’t want to go to the waitlist schools

[solid island]

i rlly appreciate it for a wl warrisr like my self

[gray mural]

umich decision out

?

[summer shore]

Yes

[supple abyss]

ytes

[solid island]

congrats, are u tryna decide between umich and und

[gray mural]

oh nah

im cooked

[dawn basin]

Yeah lol. Total difference in cost between both would be 30k.

(admitted to cs for umd too)

[solid island]

did everyone who EA just get waitlisted and rds got rejected

[wanton geyser]

nah just fill out the form and submit a LOCI to the admissions office

[solid island]

or accepted obvi

[solid island]

another loci??

[wanton geyser]

i applied RD and got waitlisted

[solid island]

Oh yeaj thats tuff, extra 120k

[solid island]

ok interesting

[latent flower]

yeah

the people that care

do just fine

[tawdry sandal]

officially time to leave this thread.. adios 🫡

[idle fulcrum]

how many people applied this year?

90k?

[tame sage]

Did anyone get into umich nursing?

[primal crow]

the waitlist info section says they don't accept any extra material

[dawn basin]

nah extra 30k total since i'd only be paying one year no matter where I go

[idle fulcrum]

and how many people were admitted last year?

[supple abyss]

id choose umich tbh amazing social life, good placements

[quasi sky]

i heard around 115k

[dawn basin]

good to hear. Actually, for the tuition increases, the umich website listed 85k as the increase, is that roughly the same for engineering if you know?

[dawn basin]

definitely leaning towards it but I do like umd too

[wanton geyser]

if i get into umd today idgaf about these waitlists

[idle fulcrum]

WHAT??

whered this come form

[quasi sky]

someone in chat here said it a while ago

[idle fulcrum]

holy 2007 birthspike

[solid island]

4 years of college?

[safe fjord]

https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-receivesrecord-numberof-applicationsfor-fall-2025/

[solid island]

oh u got aid?

[wanton geyser]

umich is $300k OOS for 4 years no aid

[quasi sky]

last year was 105 so i wouldnt be suprised

[dawn basin]

my parents agreed to pay for 3 years regardless of where I go so it'd be either 50k for umd (got merit scholarship) or 85k for mich

[solid island]

Ohhh

[supple abyss]

how many peo0ple do they waitliost?

10k? 20k?

[dawn basin]

michigan does offer an engineering scholarship that they said they'd give out by mid april but i dont think i got it

[safe fjord]

20k

[supple abyss]

alright so about 15-20%

[idle fulcrum]

so if about 15k people got accepted last year this year the rates gotta be 13%

[solid island]

what is this chance

[supple abyss]

5%

[median sun]

Is wl at Ross harder than other schools?

[supple abyss]

probably

id say ross and engineering are the hardest

[obtuse zealot]

accepted after being deferred! will be commiting to yale

[supple abyss]

congrats!

decline you're offer please!! gives some hope to the waitlist people

[obtuse zealot]

I will! I'm pressing decline to all other schools on tuesday (my lucky day)

[latent flower]

if youre a lower division prolly yeah

the coa number should be the most accurate that you can find

[ripe temple]

The tuition increase is a lot more for COE

Go check out the tuition registrar for such

[swift vessel]

plz I wanna get off wl 😭

[dawn basin]

I'm seeing a ~$4,000 diff in tuition between lower and upper for coe, does that seem about right? for the 2024-2025 year

[swift vessel]

if I do get off wl I'll try my best to convince my parents that the 25k price difference with uiuc is worth for matsci

bc umich salaries are like 17k higher

[brazen sequoia]

but then its prob higher for instate and lwoer OOS

if u were talkign abt wl --> acceptnace

[ripe temple]

That's per semester

But yes

And that's for OOS

[mystic ibex]

It was the letter.

[dawn basin]

oh yeah you're right, so ~80k to ~88k, pretty steep. Do they also increase their price yearly?

[ripe temple]

Unfortunately yes

Colleges with fixed tuition are rare usually

UIUC and Purdue are good examples of this

[dawn basin]

so for my year I'd be paying over 90k, that'd make the difference between umd and umich about $40k

at that point idk if michigan would be worth it

[ripe temple]

Which isn't really worth it unless you can comfortably afford it

[distant mica]

What major are most waitlists

[ripe temple]

No one knows

[distant mica]

Pls decline for engineering guys

🙏

[ripe temple]

That doesn't work

[distant mica]

(Kidding)

[vale knoll]

100% worth it

[dawn basin]

since im cs if everything works out I think I'll be able to pay if off fairly quickly, would it be worthwhile in that case?

[ripe temple]

Do you really wanna gamble on that?

[gray mural]

Wait so who else here got accepted

[ripe temple]

You can't really predict what happens in the future

Anything can happen to you

[latent flower]

its a 30k difference, which i think is on the smaller end

[ripe temple]

You might go through a crisis

[latent flower]

but yeah

its still a risk that he will have to weigh

[ripe temple]

A major risk which I don't think is worth it

[latent flower]

if its like 320k then you know, thats an insane gamble

[dawn basin]

I definitely see what you're saying, it's a very hard decision

[ripe temple]

UMD is still an excellent school

[dawn basin]

40k with tuition increases/upper division I didnt factor that in

[ripe temple]

And just far more affordable

ROI wise, UMD is sorta a no brainer

[dawn basin]

Oh would UMD give more roi long term? If so I'd just go there

[ripe temple]

No that's not how it works

ROI factors in the debt you get from college and other factors

Most great CS colleges are going to have similar cs salary ranges, no matter where. There will, of course, be outliers, but expect to see your peers in your jobs to go from great CS colleges all over

It's why I say it's a wiser choice to just go to UMD as it's a far more affordable choice and your career will still be quite valued

Ultimately it's up to the individual and the decisions they make for their finances, but it is unwise to put yourself in that much debt and gamble into thinking you'd be able to pay it off easily. You can't predict the future. You don't know the decisions that can come

So why not just go to a cheaper college that won't put you in as much of a worry?

[latent flower]

yeah for career wise other than the extreme outliers, umd and michigan will be roughly the same

but instead of thinking in terms of ROI, given that youll most likely do fine in the future

[slow kayak]

Alr chat 12 th rejection

[latent flower]

you can frame it in terms of "are you willing to spend the 30k extra to go to a place that youd enjoy more"

and tahts up for you to decide

[ripe temple]

This, ultimately if you have the money to spend, then I don't see the issue. Go for it. But it's clear that finances are still an issue to you, and why sometimes you have to make sacrifices

[lethal lance]

is it worth sending them a loci for wl

[ripe temple]

If they allow it sure

[wraith ember]

it says they wont accept additionl documents on the faq page but im not sure if that extends to loci or not

im scared to send one and then they flame me

[lethal lance]

yeah i just saw that was kinda wondering abt the same

[dawn basin]

Appreciate the advice from both of you, it seems like because the salaries are similar for both umd and michigan, umd would make sense from a value perspective although I think I would've preferred michigan as a school.

and yeah @ripe temple you are right that finances are still an issue in the sense that it would be worrying to take on additional debt, I think if there was a tangible benefit to doing so I wouldn't have minded so much but given that the outcomes are essentially the same from what I'm gathering it'd be taking on extra debt for no reason

I instinctively thought the extra cost/rank for michigan would mean the jobs would make up for it in the end but logically I don't think that's necessarily true

[ripe temple]

Well eh it depends

[meager moat]

holy shit i got waitlisted

[ripe temple]

The Michigan alumni has helped me tremendously, moreso that I felt it does better than if I went to some other school

[meager moat]

oh everyone did

nvm

[latent flower]

michigan helps me significantly id say

[ripe temple]

And certain jobs, like quant, are only accessible to a few colleges which Michigan is usually a part of

[latent flower]

there are a small number of companies that exclusively hire from certain universities

[ripe temple]

But for most cs jobs, you'll roughly be fine with either

[latent flower]

yeah i think michigan is the only public school that five rings hire from

but even then thats for such a tiny minority of people that its almost negligible

and those people usually come into college with significant previous experience

so its barely even a comparison

[meager moat]

us 😭

[latent flower]

is UW waterloo or washington

[meager moat]

wisconsin

😭

[latent flower]

oh

LOL

[meager moat]

i need to do smthin abt that

welp

[latent flower]

my coworker last fall was a wisconsin grad

[meager moat]

woah

[latent flower]

its a nice school

[meager moat]

yeahh

it would be nice if i got some scholarships 😔

its fine

[magic mortar]

ppl actually call waterloo uw?

[meager moat]

im surprised asw

[mental elk]

isn't it udub

[meager moat]

washington is udub
waterloo idk

[mental elk]

ohh ur at waterloo

idk what it's called 😭

[meager moat]

wisconsin bro

[dawn basin]

ik this is anecdotal and not necessarily something you might know but do you think the portion of people getting "good", like 20-30k internships at umd significantly lower than the amount at michigan?

[mental elk]

OH

UWM

[mental elk]

uwm/uw-m right?

[meager moat]

yes

ill change it to that better

[mental elk]

yea

[latent flower]

if you can land a good job at michigan you can land a good job at umd

[dawn basin]

do you have any advice for how to land good jobs and internships for either? in the swe area

[latent flower]

https://www.reddit.com/r/uofm/comments/1hv7j44/the_not_so_lazy_students_guide_to_cs_recruiting/

[dawn basin]

Thanks

[solid island]

is umich WL luck

[short rover]

Rejected. Goodbye thread.

Hook ‘em!

[wraith ember]

it says it's not ranked so im guessing its just luck of the draw

some sites say it's possible to hear back only a couple days after may 1

[wraith lily]

waitlisted (honestly its fine)

[daring basalt]

were cs deferral decisions supposed to come out?

or is it separate from rd, cause my selection status hasn't changed yet

[glass ore]

separate from rd from what they said in my letter

Your decision for advance selection into a computer science major will be posted on Enrollment Connect within 10 days, at which time we will send you an email notification.

[distant mica]

So many waitlists

This is cooked

[simple hatch]

Waitlist

I’m on 5 waitlists rn

[sleek remnant]

Finally broke my 10 rejection streak

Waitlisted

[steep cave]

If I got into Ross can I double major or something with CS?

[latent flower]

for cs specifically, you can if you get into cs

[solid island]

do u hear back if u get rejected too

[kindred fulcrum]

does someone have the pic of stats of who got in
I know someone sent it earlier

[wraith ember]

i'd hope so but not sure

[safe fjord]

You mean the poll? #1268245061699637328 message

[kindred fulcrum]

no there was a pic of people saying which gpas got in like what %

Like 3.1-3.4 0% etc

[safe fjord]

Look up umich common data set

https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/CDS_2024-25_umaa_2-19-25.pdf

[static dragon]

here

[quartz oasis]

Yo anyone going to Ross or engineering I’m looking for a roommate

[gray mural]

Yo how cold does Michigan get

During winter

[latent flower]

ive experienced as cold as -20 deg celcius

[glossy portal]

friggin michigan yo

why you gotta reject me

[gray mural]

Woah

[latent flower]

though id say that

i came from a pretty warm place

[whole timber]

DAMN

[latent flower]

i dont think its really that bad given a coat

[whole timber]

this was alot more competitive than i thought

[latent flower]

like -20 i would just avoid going out

[whole timber]

i mean duh its umich but

[latent flower]

-15 or above is fine with coat + beanie + scarf

-5 above is fine with coat

5 is just normal clothing + light jacket

[gray mural]

Bro out here winter is like 18 degrees, 15 max

-20 is crazy

[latent flower]

i came from a place with similar weather

idt its too hard to get used to now

[whole timber]

when does stanford release

[gray mural]

Is it like hella dry winter

[gray mural]

In around

3 min

Im guessing

[wispy turret]

How many ppl get off waitlist for Ross?

[wraith ember]

idk the exact number but i know that it's less than coe and college of lsa unforch

[tacit nimbus]

Have any engineering admits heard back from ross preferred admission yet

It’s been like 4 months now

[simple hatch]

hows the wl for umich

[shadow shore]

bad

5% acceptance off WL pretty much

[simple hatch]

damn

i got nyu, rice, berkeley, umich, and cmu waitlist

smh

[waxen marsh]

wait

holy shit same

[simple hatch]

EXACT SAME?

crazyyy

whats ur top choice rn

[waxen marsh]

nyu, cmu, emory, vandy, ucla waitlist

not exact same

but just

all waitlist

[simple hatch]

weird

[waxen marsh]

my top choice is boston

uni

[simple hatch]

i got vandy rejected

and ucla in

u got both rejected

waitlisted*

[waxen marsh]

im internaitonal

[simple hatch]

so am I

[waxen marsh]

rlly

[simple hatch]

type shi

[waxen marsh]

im from canada

[simple hatch]

im from India

[waxen marsh]

ohh

[simple hatch]

yea but i have fafsa

US Born

still makes me an international tho

[waxen marsh]

[past goblet]

waitlist

[wraith ember]

welcome

[simple hatch]

welcome

[mystic ibex]

yo chat I think I'm coming here

is there an admitted students server

[prisma zodiac]

same

[safe fjord]

if anyone wants the umich class of 2029 server invite, dm me

[kindred fulcrum]

Does any previously admitted EA student have the prompts for the Honors essays this year? I just got in RD and they won’t be out for 24-48 hours and I want a head start lol

[safe fjord]

#1268245061699637328 message

[kindred fulcrum]

Thanks!!

[wind hollow]

i got rejected from. there but didnt get into cornell

[kindred fulcrum]

That’s a wack essay

[tawdry fjord]

how are waitlist state

stats*

[safe fjord]

~20% are waitlisted, ~5% are accepted off waitlist

[clear olive]

I think it said 1k/24k got off the waitlist last yr

[kindred fulcrum]

Holy cow 24k waitlisted

[clear olive]

lwk this year might have been more

[distant mica]

I can’t send any additional info right?

Just press the button and call it a day?

I’m highkey just blind and can’t read disregard my question

[urban raptor]

srsly bruh

from defferal to waitlist

[urban raptor]

that makes you domestic not international

[clear olive]

if u did fafsa u have an ssid right

so ur domestic

[frank perch]

i got rejected 😭

indian intl

[latent flower]

if anyone here got in and wants to learn more about michigan, feel free to reach out!

[distant fulcrum]

Is it easy to make friends there? I am oos and no one else from my high school goes there.

[latent flower]

its a school with 40000 people so yeah

i think 5 ppl committed to michigan from my school during my year

i dont really hang out with them and can still find a friend group

its the same golden rule for making friends: be nice and give everyone a chance

[distant fulcrum]

Are most engineering first year students living on north campus ?

Which dorms/residential hall would you recommend?

[latent flower]

historically dorms are randomly assigned

so you can be a buysiness major and live on north campus (the classes are on central)

for me all my classes were on north but i lived on central

this year i heard that theyre allowing people to select their own dorms

certainly not that if youre in engineering you must live on north, i personally LOVED living on central

[distant fulcrum]

Say if I can to choose Alice or north quad, what are my chances ? Is that based on lottery or first come first serve ?

[latent flower]

my guess on what would happen is that they would give everyone a time slot where they can select dorms

and then you can choose from the available rooms

this is how it works for returning students right now

as for what are your chances, i dont know, this is a new system

[distant fulcrum]

What are the chances for freshmen to get singles ?

[latent flower]

most of the rooms are doubles i think

i know a few people with singles at north quad / stockwell / couzens / baits

[distant fulcrum]

Do you recommend finding your own roommate or getting assigned one ?

[latent flower]

id recommend finding your own roommate

for both theres a chance that your roommate is great or horrible

but if you know who your roommate is beforehand youll likely be somewhat compatible

the chance of having a bad roommate is just much lower this way

[distant fulcrum]

Thanks! In terms of class registration for engineering classes. Do you find it is hard to get into certain classes ?

[latent flower]

what major are you looking into

[distant fulcrum]

ME or CE

[latent flower]

me should be fine

cs upper levels are considered hard to get in however it should be getting better with advanced selection

[distant fulcrum]

What are the average class size for lower and upper engineering classes ?

[latent flower]

i dont think how many peopel taking the class is really great in evaluating how a class feels

here classes are usually split into lecture, lab and discussion

you might have several hundreds of people in a course

the lecture might have 100 people in it

but lab is usually like 20-30 people so it can still feel small

also in engineering a lot of courses have lecture recordings so people dont even go to lecture lol

[haughty bison]

ayone from ross here?

[ionic nova]

Not a current student, but Ross is my top choice right now

[peak vessel]

can someone pls add me to the mich2029 server

[peak vessel]

also do u know the difficulty of adding a cs major in addition to a baseline EE/CE major

[empty axle]

maybe if early action preferred admission ross can come out 💔

2 months late

[latent flower]

dm’d

[dawn basin]

Could you add me as well pls?

[latent flower]

these are majors that have some overlap

you’re not allowed to double major in ce and cs

ee and cs depends on the courses you take

but it would be a decent bit of extra credits

[peak vessel]

oh ok tysm

this is what i'm considering

[latent flower]

here’s my personal take on double majoring

[latent flower]

why do you want it do a double major

[peak vessel]

i'm intersted in both hardware and software

[latent flower]

what type of hardware

[peak vessel]

and i wanna start something in the future that allows me to combine both

[latent flower]

like comp arch?

embedded?

[peak vessel]

i'm thinking comp arch or PICs

[latent flower]

gotcha

i’ll recommend you to just do ce then

since that should cover both of the fields you’re interested in

my take for double majoring in ee / cs is that

a college major is usually designed to be broad, and take you through different sub fields

for example for cs you have to do some theory courses as well as systems

for ee there’s computer architecture, but you also have to learn about signal processing, power, magnetism etc

[peak vessel]

oh ok, appreciate it
although i've heard that ce is too shallow of a major

[latent flower]

you only have this much time at school

so why bother spending the extra time going through irrelevant parts of a degree that you’re not interested in?

[latent flower]

the courses you do matter much more than the degree you receive

[peak vessel]

yeah that's true, i see the vision

thanks sm for your time

[latent flower]

instead of going broad and spreading yourself too thin, you already know your specialization, why not spend that time going deep in the select sub fields you’re interested in

[peak vessel]

tysm, that sounds like a great path for me

[latent flower]

you can alternatively do cs + ee minor, ee + cs minor too as an example

or even just taking ee classes outside of your degree

a big trap people fall into is thinking that all the courses they take should be part of a degree they get

so they’d want to take 3 extra classes, then notice they’re one class away from a minor, then 2 from another

and all they end up with is a bunch of pointless classes they’re not interested in

you can always just take classes for the sake of it

[wispy jay]

Does anyone know how to view our FinAid?

[safe fjord]

i don't know if they've been released for rd yet, but for me they sent me an email when it released (I got in earlyaction)

otherwise it's found on:
wolverine access -> new and prospective student business -> new&prospective student center -> view award notices -> 2026 -> view/print

[quasi sky]

michigan be affordable for anyone but the bottom 10% and top 10% challenge: impossible 😞

[spiral crescent]

why did mechanic leave

[uncut narwhal]

Is anyone doing dual degrees between engineering and Ross

[haughty bison]

he left???

NOOOOO

[haughty bison]

too dumb to do that 😔

i would need an extra 50 iq to do that

[latent flower]

what do you want to know about

[uncut narwhal]

I got into Ross but didn’t apply engineering, how hard (and practical) is it to do a dual degree

[latent flower]

how hard? to start a dual degree shouldn’t be too hard, there’s not really any rule that stops you

to complete one is very hard

since you have to do ross distribution requirements, ross courses, engineering core courses, and your engineering major course

sometimes double majors can be easier since there’s a lot of overlap between majors, this is not really the case for engineering and ross

you’re probably looking at 5-7 years for courses alone depending on what major combo

[latent flower]

how practical?

i think instead of going for breadth you’re better off choosing one thing to specialize

[uncut narwhal]

Hmm okay

5-7 years? Wow

[latent flower]

it depends on your incoming credit too

[latent flower]

be a master in one thing and have some knowledge in other fields is probably the best spot you can be in

think a T

[quasi sky]

do you know how easy it would be to transfer from engineering to the architecture college and would they let me do that immediately?

[latent flower]

i think internal transfer in general is pretty chill

usually requires you to be in school for a semester / year before you can transfer though

[quasi sky]

oh ok thats good to know

[latent flower]

yeah lmk if you got more questions

[native onyx]

does UMich want LOCI's with their waitlisted applicants?

[wheat quarry]

even I want to know that. somehow I can't see any place to submit LOCI

[wraith ember]

Ive watched like 80 TikTok’s trying to figure it out and it seems like formal letters aren’t accepted but an informal email to your regional ao is okay

Im still scared to send an email so someone send theirs first 😭🙏

[wheat quarry]

😭😭😭☝🏻 I'll see if I send one

[native onyx]

Who’s my regional AO 😂, I’m intl.

[wheat quarry]

same, maybe Google? 😭

won't that be weird tho

ahhh idk

[native onyx]

Idk, I’m UK so it might be an AO by region

[safe fjord]

https://admissions.umich.edu/explore-visit/contact-us

[native onyx]

We will not accept any additional documents from you unless specifically requested, as they will not impact your final decision.

[wheat quarry]

Ahh i see that

[wheat quarry]

saw that 😭😭😭

I'll just consider that uw is better than UMich (is it?)

[native onyx]

idk

[wheat quarry]

😞☝🏻

[clear olive]

Are ppl able to access the LSA honors application

It says I’m not authorized with the friend account

[outer mural]

i was able to make a friends account

but i was waitlisted LOL

[clear olive]

Idk man

[civic orbit]

As long as you are accepted you shouldn’t have a problem. There are instructions on how to make it on their website. This may help you:

https://its.umich.edu/accounts-access/computing-accounts/friend-accounts

[clear olive]

no i made the friend acct

wait no i figured it oout

im lwk a dumbass

thanks tho

i didnt verify the acct

[clear olive]

what did u apply for

[jagged coyote]

did anyone get in for UMich leaps and if so are you going?

[daring basalt]

is there a link to a umich '29 server somewhere

[crude nacelle]

samesies

[daring basalt]

found one, i'm not allowed to post server links here but if you look for the main umich server online there's an invite to the one for '29 in #um-discords

[crude nacelle]

i’m on mobile so i can’t search for discord servers

could u send the link in dms

oh wait i think i can just look it up on google hold up

[civic orbit]

Hey there if anyone wants the link to the class of '29 discord or the UMich discord just dm me

[wispy turret]

do we send a loci even tho the waitlist form said we dont need additional materials

ca n i email them anyways

[simple hatch]

no point

it'll be forgone

also, hows the diff in the looks of the priority waitlist and reg. waitlist

[granite hazel]

comitted here

[civic orbit]

Congratulations on the commitment! Would you like an invite to the main University of Michigan server?

[idle sigil]

could someone invite me to the umich server

[empty lark]

Ooo could i get one if im accepted but not committed

[civic orbit]

totally

I'll dm it to you!

[civic orbit]

dming you!

[latent flower]

looks like my job here is done

[wanton geyser]

tips for getting off waitlist? (ross)

[native onyx]

Pray

[haughty bison]

do some cool business stuff

[outer mural]

ok michigan

stop playing games

send me my acceptance

[haughty bison]

were u waitlisted

[outer mural]

yes...

[wanton carbon]

Can I get an invite too

[brazen sequoia]

cooked

[civic orbit]

Totally! Check dms!

[shadow shore]

NAAH if there's priority its cooked for me

gg

[wintry mountain]

Damn umich really waitlisted everyone 💀

School can't even give me a fin aid package after havingmy documents for three weeks

[stuck rune]

Did mich yield protect this year??

[mystic ibex]

no

they never do

[distant mica]

Yeah why would umich yield protect

They are a top 20 school

[mystic ibex]

they're a public school too

public schools don't care about yield

[stuck rune]

nah that’s what i was thinking but the waitlist rate is crazy 🗿

[mystic ibex]

They take a fair amount off

It’s like 5%

Idk most cracked ppl ik got in EA or RD

[stuck rune]

Dayum

[crude nacelle]

im going to the UM spring day thing but im gonna visit michigan a day early

anything i should consider visiting (eating places, shops, etc) in the detroit / ann arbor area?

[quick dust]

i recommend washtenaw dairy for some ice cream

for food, eat in the dining hall so you know what to expect for the next for the next year 😁

[crude nacelle]

will go

🙏

[crude nacelle]

good idea

are randoms just allowed to go into the dining hall

[quick dust]

of courser

for a fee

i think its like 11 bucks

[crude nacelle]

oh bet

[dusk sluice]

umich says not to send more info right

so no lcoi

[distant mica]

Yeah

[wraith ember]

Is an informal interest email to my ao allowed

[strange viper]

idk if it'll help but it definitely won't hurt

[uncut narwhal]

How is the living business community

[granite hazel]

sure!

mb for late response i don’t fr check this server

[civic orbit]

dmed you the links!

[mental elk]

Is there anywhere I can send a LoCI if I'm on the waitlist?

[civic orbit]

Of course! I dmed you!

[ornate elbow]

Did you send your 1st loci which was optional in RD applications?

[mental elk]

I sent an ECI after EA deferral

[ornate elbow]

okay, I was asking about the same😅

Which major did you apply for?

[mental elk]

MechE

[shadow shore]

only 1 LOCI is taken and that was after deferral

they said they don't accept em for waitlist and use initial review materials to make a decision

[ornate elbow]

okay

[mental elk]

okay

[mental elk]

do you have a source for this

also in that case all i can do is pray 😭

[ornate elbow]

It is mentioned in their "Waitlisted Applicants FAQ - Undergraduate Admissions" portal.

[mental elk]

alr noted
do you think i could mail a loci to my regional ao ☠️

[ornate elbow]

You can, as there is an option to do, but I don't think it will be useful because they mentioned that they will not accept any documents now. Having said that you already submitted ECI, it is more than enough. Stay calm, All the best ❤️

[tacit nimbus]

Did Ross preferred admission come out yet

[ebon wind]

“Starting with the application period for fall 2025, U-M’s Common Application will include the Ross School as a first-year admitting unit, while continuing to allow preferred admissions through select schools and colleges as a way for applicants to indicate an interest in later transferring to the program.”

You will still be able to transfer in it seems, it is just now you don’t have to also apply to LSA if you would only go to Michigan for Ross.

This is better for students as it separates their application into business admissions more

[tacit nimbus]

I applied in November so I was just wondering when the decisions are released

They say on the site that for early action they roll out in early February but when I emailed them they said they will continue to roll them out through April. The website says RD Ross preferred admission is sent out by early mid April

Do you think I should email them again or just wait till next week

[inland yarrow]

when does wl move for michigan

[wraith ember]

allegedly as soon as april 16th

[latent flower]

Does umich not take loci??

[outer mural]

“ decisions to admit from the waitlist will be based on the rating your application has already received.”

guys

how do i find my rating

😔😔

[wraith ember]

I wish they made them public

[fiery matrix]

ty i will be camping my email asap

[fiery matrix]

appearntly not

its prob bc they waitlisted 18k ppl

💀

[empty axle]

me too im just waiting

[upbeat marsh]

they do but it's by appointment and i think it's only for attending students

it's a rating between 1-15

1 being the best

[mystic ibex]

Guess I’ll see when I go

[inland yarrow]

is it common for people to do Engineering/Ross dual degrees

[south rapids]

What was your story!?

Super interested

[empty lark]

Umich is always the school for low gpa but good writers ive heard

Considering theyre one of two T25’s to accept me with a 3.7 out of like 15 I applied to it makes sense

[kindred fulcrum]

lol

[latent flower]

hey pookie

s

[latent flower]

they accpeted me n i was mid writer good stats bad ecs lol

[empty lark]

I mean theyre still a great school so they take plenty of people with awesome stats haha

Ive just heard that your best shot as someone with a low gpa is umich

[latent flower]

really i feel like uc berkley and la take low gpa more

berkley specifically they care a lot abt ec

[empty lark]

Huuh

I feel like its the opposite cuz of no sat scores

[latent flower]

maybe my schoosl just feeder

ik 3.7 who have gotten in berkley

[empty lark]

Idk berkeley and ucla rejected me in cold blood

Ucsd liked me tho

[latent flower]

ok im in state

tho

i was oos for umich

[empty lark]

I mean acceptance rates are equal

For the uc’s

[latent flower]

no

rhey are not