All UCs (2024-2025)

[pale spire]

WHAT

[harsh spindle]

wtf

[high bronze]

Somehow the most I’d waited for food was like 5 mins

Actually nah like 10 mins in brown’s, 5 mins in GBC

[tropic minnow]

The fuck

What the hell

Your class is literally half of UCSC's undergrad pop bro

[dense epoch]

Ya this is why u come to usc

No having to worry abt waiting in long ass lines for food

[pale spire]

WHAT

I like kinda forgot how massive the UC’s get

[tulip relic]

most are pushing 20-30 thousand (some 40 thousand+)

excluding merced which is barely 10K

[pale spire]

i honestly cant imagine what 40 thousand looks like

[tropic minnow]

Yeah its only 18k undergrad and 2k grad students

[tulip relic]

berkeley and los angeles:

[dry pollen]

It’s smaller than other ucs/other ucla classes

[dry pollen]

Yes

[dry pollen]

Yeah cause your food sucks

I remember trying it

Guaranteed would have lost so much weight there 😭

[dry pollen]

Lowkey it’s not that bad my friend at duke has bigger classes than me

[tulip relic]

ruby what uc are you in

[dry pollen]

The number one one 😎

[tulip relic]

los angeles

[dry pollen]

Yessir

You should apply

Absolutely no regrets choosing la in the 3 weeks I’ve been here

[harsh spindle]

USC always tryna put their name in the convo coz they irrelevant

[dry pollen]

No literally where is usc in this thread

[harsh spindle]

Fr

[dry pollen]

Have you joined any clubs or anything

[harsh spindle]

Yeah

[dry pollen]

What clubs

[harsh spindle]

Undergrad Math Student Association and ucla backpacking club

Didn’t apply to any of the competitive ones because they all pretentious af

[dry pollen]

Very cool

[dry pollen]

Me 😭

I applied though

[harsh spindle]

also coz none of them fit into what I intend to do in grad school

[harsh spindle]

If you get into the competitive ones that’s very g

I am already on the max units and work in the CS dept. so I didn’t have time for high demand clubs

[dense epoch]

Go to ucla to gain weight or go to usc to be healthy

[harsh spindle]

there they come again

[dry pollen]

I see

[dry pollen]

Hoping

[dry pollen]

I lost weight at ucla

I’m eating too healthy

[harsh spindle]

all that walking up the hill

[high bronze]

How’s the hill climb compared to Foothill at Berkeley?

Actually I would kinda know because I’ve been to both but haven’t had the student experience of the hill

[latent scarab]

UCLA is so overhyped it’s not bad

[harsh spindle]

I mean, it’s alright

Like it’s not you’re doing mountain climbing or some shit, it’s a casual hike

Also kinda needed given how unhealthy some of the food at the dining halls are

I usually just take the staircase coz I think it’s faster than climbing up the hill

Some people go back to their dorms multiple times during the day so they probably think it’s annoying

I have an 8 am but then I also study in the engineering lounge after work and stay there till 8 pm and then finally go back to my dorm

[dry pollen]

Yes ☹️

[dry pollen]

Idk

[dry pollen]

It’s eh maybe I’m just week but I struggle to get up those stairs on campus

[dry pollen]

Yeah I do this

Cause cluster classes

[pale spire]

Wack

[midnight vine]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA_o19Jy-B-/ ngl this is so cute

[midnight vine]

45 mins when Cafe 3 had Mac and cheese

[dry pollen]

Bigger school doesn’t necessarily mean bigger classes 🤷‍♀️

Also depends on your major tbh

Cause my roommate has like 80 kids in her major

And the major I want to do only has 200 kids

[pale spire]

Makes sense

[sweet citrus]

Yeah Davis is 30k+ total but the design major is less than 100 iirc

[harsh spindle]

Can confirm, my math lecture is only 35 students

but the clusters can be like 500+ people

[tulip relic]

cant imagine computer science and engineering class sizes for the ucs

like those probably are in the thousands

same with medical

[high bronze]

What are clusters

[high bronze]

My cs class is 1200 people it’s fire 🔥 big community to learn from

Data 8 is 1500 here

My English class is 17 💀

[tulip relic]

17 😭

[dry pollen]

Mine is 200 yeah

[dry pollen]

Year long classes that cover a bunch of geneds

You can drop though

[midnight vine]

probably ucla version of fpf lmao

[slate mountain]

wait really?

[high bronze]

What is fpf

😭

[harsh spindle]

within the college you're admitted to

if you're tryna go from college --> engineering, then you need to take an engineering workload for like the first 3 quarters you're here and only then be able to petition to switch

likewise for engineering --> college

[midnight vine]

bruh you dont know what fpf is?

fall program for first semester

they take classes in a separate building and their class choices are limited

but it covers a lot of breadth requirements

and you cant opt out of the program

[harsh spindle]

one of my roommates was admitted as CS but wants to do pure math and is unable to enroll into graduate classes because engineering blocks him from adding grad classes to his study list

[midnight vine]

some people were given the choice of whether to be in fpf or not but others were just pushed into it without their consent

but smaller class sizes more of a community or whatever

[harsh spindle]

yeah clusters here are not like that

you enroll into a cluster if you want to or not, and if you want to cover the most GEs, you stay there for all 3 quarters but you can also just drop it after a quarter and get one GE done

[dry pollen]

Yeah especially in l&s but even between schools it possible

[dry pollen]

Yeah it’s not the same

You have quite a few choices + its optional

[high bronze]

nope

i dont have many ges to do though

just need r1a r1b and two humanities

and the ethics engineering

[midnight vine]

for me i only need to do phys and bio

[wooden sierra]

Ethics? Now why would anyone need those?

[midnight vine]

everything else overlaps w major requirements

phys im doing this sem, bio next sem

everything else including am cultures and the other stuff is done lol

[high bronze]

nice

[slate mountain]

but switching to nursing is especially difficult right, since its the most impacted major at ucla

[harsh spindle]

Oh nursing, that’s like the most competitive to get into 😭

I prob don’t know the complete stats but I think the admit rate for nursing BS is like 0.5% or smthing

I wouldn’t know about how to transfer into there tbh

I must say though that the health and life sciences campus at ucla is very peaceful and pretty

There’s a botanical garden right next to the school of nursing and life sciences

It’s where all the nursing students and med students chill and hangout

[tropic minnow]

Most moral AI researcher

[night shore]

You probably wont be transferring into nursing

[tulip relic]

less than 1 percent…

[dense epoch]

I lowk wud not do that

[harsh spindle]

y

I went to my math dept student services yesterday to get the go ahead to enroll into grad classes from either winter or spring

most grad profs here are chill with undergrads enrolling in their courses

(For math, can’t say much about the other depts)

[dry pollen]

You have to apply to ucla nursing directly

They only take 40 to 50 people

[dry pollen]

Yeah if you want to transfer you can’t do it from ucla directly

There’s only a few ucs w nursing

All the nursing students are super cool though most are in my chem class

[dry pollen]

Court of sciences 🙂‍↕️

Every single one of my classes/discussions is there + Franz

[harsh spindle]

O

Yeah I am mostly on south campus

my classes are in math sciences and boelter

which is super close to engineering VI where I work so pretty convenient

[slate mountain]

i wish ucs had more bsn programs

instead of just ucla and uci

🥹

its a pretty demanded major no?

[tropic minnow]

I suppose it doesnt add anything the rest need

[wooden sierra]

hallo avi

[tropic minnow]

Hello

Hru

[wooden sierra]

im good, hbu!

[tropic minnow]

I'm alright, I might go off campus to get some food in a bit cause dining is closed

Also I feel like I'm behind on stuff but my brain cant tell me what I'm behind on

[wooden sierra]

what time do all the halls close

[tulip relic]

if i somehow land myself in ucsd im joining the costco club

🤭

[tropic minnow]

8 for us but final bus from downtown leaves at 11:30 so I could go down, get some food, come back

[tropic minnow]

When do Purdue halls close

[harsh spindle]

8? That’s so early

I think the halls close here at like 9 or 10? Probably 9

Some of the cafes are open till 10 and there’s one open till 12

[wooden sierra]

most are 9, but some are 1 am

[harsh spindle]

how’s the AI program at Purdue

[wooden sierra]

its great :D

im just a freshamn, but the curriculum seems nice

[high bronze]

Nice

[harsh spindle]

That’s good

[tropic minnow]

On weekdays it’s usually 11

But yeah weekends they cut it early

It’s fine though cause if you are really hungry you can just take the bus to downtown to get food

[spice mantle]

Does UC offer application fee waivers for international students?

[night shore]

No

[tropic minnow]

No the UCs will not cut costs for internationals

[night shore]

hi berkeleys

#1294876204628971622

[tranquil peak]

if i dont qualify for uc app fee waivers but have circumstances that may lead to me getting one can i appeal?

its bc theyre taking taxes from last yhear

[high bronze]

I didn't qualify for the UC fee waivers by like a very very small amount 💀 but there are alternatives.

If you had the SAT fee waiver, you can use that to qualify for the UC app fee waiver.

Beyond that, I am not sure.

[tranquil peak]

its literally 4k

i had the sat fee waiver how do i use that to get free ucs?

[high bronze]

wym ?

[tranquil peak]

im 4k over for qualifying

[high bronze]

when you apply you select pay by check, and you mail the fee waiver to the university of california, they'll waive the costs

you can also email the waiver

[tranquil peak]

umm where do i get said waiver

[high bronze]

go to college board

Click “My SAT” on the homepage. Then scroll down to see your fee waiver benefits. Click to print your waivers, and fill out the form that pops up.

[high bronze]

i think i was off by like 500, i had a friend off by 10 💀

[tranquil peak]

TYSM!

[tranquil peak]

is being 4k over too much?

[high bronze]

no it doesnt matter at all as long as you have an sat fee waiver

i think at least

[rancid grove]

my counselor told me just to put a number close to it, i dont know if theres big consequences for this so maybe this is bad advice but i dont think it makes a huge difference if you put 4k lower

because i don't think they are going to take the effort to verify that number

[tranquil peak]

well if im doing fafsa i dont want it to show up as an error or smth

[bold bear]

how bad is uc berkeley course selection

from my class of 2024 friends i heard it's hell unless u get a 9AM course selection slot

can any berkeley student confirm

and how can i get a 9AM or another really early course selection slot

[midnight vine]

it's not that bad

but it depends on your major / what classes you're looking at

i got a 11:30 slot and got into every class but my cs class but during this phase called the adjustment period, all the reserved seats become unreserved so I was able to register in it then (everyone has a 9 am slot for adjustment)

[bold bear]

looking specifically for eecs and/or other engineering (like aero)

[midnight vine]

you'll be fine engineering classes are usually huge so have a bunch of seats

[bold bear]

what about the prereq classes

[midnight vine]

• if you come in declared that'll be easier as well

for l&s we're undeclared so it's slightly harder

but in coe you're declared iirc

[bold bear]

my aero friend told me that he didn't get into one of the prereq classes 💀

[midnight vine]

luck + regents + seniority + dsp

[bold bear]

can i bribe ppl

[midnight vine]

no

[bold bear]

rip

[midnight vine]

you may not get every class you want but you can always take it the next semester

your chances of getting a bad enrollment time twice are low

afaik it's not completely random like they try to alternate

like for spring I have a 9 am enrollment time

I may have priority tho idk

[bold bear]

oh

what abt the 2pm 2:30 or 3pm applicants

[midnight vine]

my roommate got 2 pm last time and 10 am this time

[bold bear]

dyk anyone who had those course selection slots?

[midnight vine]

yeah

[bold bear]

how hard was it for them to get into their desired classes

and do eecs classes have grad student or undergrad TAs?

[midnight vine]

at max you won't get into 1 or 2 classes

but for the most part you'll be fine

you learn to adjust and adapt accordingly

you're not gonna be forced to take biology classes all 4 years as an eecs major

[bold bear]

so eecs classes typically don't have prereqs that are hard to get into?

[midnight vine]

idk about eecs specifically but i do know that for cs our main TAs (who sometimes actually teach the classes) are grad students but there are also a bunch of other TAs (who help w lab and discussion sections and grading i presume) who are a mix of grad and undergrad

[bold bear]

i see

berkeley doesn't have cs now right? it's only eecs as of 2024?

[midnight vine]

this is for cs61a btw which is a class all cs/ds/eecs majors need to take

[midnight vine]

its all about being prepared and strategic

[midnight vine]

no? they have both bs cs and ba cs

[bold bear]

oh wait so they just moved BA CS to a different program

i see that makes a lot m ore sense

ty for your help!

[midnight vine]

yeah

no problem! gl with your apps and lmk if you have any other berk or uc questions

[dry pollen]

You can buy classes but it’s technically not allowed but kids do it anyways

[night shore]

How does that work

I would like to involve myself in the field of purchasing and selling of courses

[harsh spindle]

you pay someone else to reserve a seat for you and then exchange class on the class enrollment portal

[night shore]

Oh are you able to directly exchange?

[harsh spindle]

i haven't done it because i get priority 😎

[night shore]

In the cc systems you can really only enroll in a course

Then whoever’s next in the waitlist will get it

[harsh spindle]

i don't think there's like any system that allows two people to exchange, you both just have to coordinate it

[night shore]

I see

The other idea would be to let the class go on while you’re on the waitlist then swap

Not sure though

Just some random thoughts

[harsh spindle]

i think the seniors will be able to explain it better but ye, i have seen posts on the r/ucla sub offering 300+ to reserve a class (because they had a later enrollment appointment)

[night shore]

Again this is more for cc knowledge I have no clue how enrollment works in other academic institutions

[harsh spindle]

yeah i think for the very popular classes that are required for a lot of majors, that's how it works

for upper-divs, at least in the math dept, you can probably just get a permission to enroll code directly from the prof and override any system holdbacks

[night shore]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

The issue is that the idea is contingent on the idea that the prof will let you bypass the other individuals on the system

But here ik it’s probably possible

[harsh spindle]

mhm

for some of the popular classes like 131a real analysis/115a linear algebra, i don't think profs will give out PTE and just let the system do its thing because there can only be so many people that fit into a lecture hall

however, for the honors sequence (like 131ah/115ah), i think you need a PTE from the beginning to be able to enroll, the system won't allow unless you have a 5 digit code to enroll in the class

at least that's what i had to do to enroll in my honors analysis class

[night shore]

That’s fair

I’ve never really had any reason to figure out the system

For other institutions that weren’t under the community college umbrella so

This is nice to see

[harsh spindle]

yeah

[bold bear]

wait u can do that?

like directly transferring classes between students exists?

[harsh spindle]

no, just have to coordinate the timing really well

[sweet citrus]

Over here that wouldn’t work

You’d have to be number 1 on the waitlist

I’ve seen people that are number 1 on the waitlist try to buy spots tho

[midnight vine]

i don't think it would work at berkeley as well

[harsh spindle]

i have never seen it in action tbf but i know people buy spots

offering 300+ to reserve is crazy though, i would take that offer 💀

[dry pollen]

^

[dry pollen]

You’re regents?

[dry pollen]

You can do it through the department easily

[dry pollen]

You can through the department

[dry pollen]

Yeah you can do this w lower divs too it just really depends on the department

Chem department apparently never has and never will be doing that

[night shore]

that's quite interesting

[dry pollen]

Yes

[dry pollen]

Yeah there’s a lot of bypass

[dry pollen]

All your classes have WLs?

[night shore]

thank you for letting me know. This is very cool.

[bold bear]

that's very good to know

[dry pollen]

Ofc

[dry pollen]

Yeah I can’t speak for the other UCs but I was planning on swapping labs that way but I just sucked it up and let it be

[sweet citrus]

AFAIK yes

[midnight vine]

this isn't for berkeley btw it's for ucla

[dry pollen]

Very interesting

[bold bear]

well berkeley is worse so i anticipate they will have a similar system

[high bronze]

I would say though for some classes you really don’t have a choice (CS61A, data c8)

There’s one fixed time it seems

[night shore]

?????

Numquam quidquam assume

[tulip relic]

me applying to berkeley on a 3.7 uw gpa with no school clubs, sports, or volunteer work long term:

[dense epoch]

Who knows u might get in

[tulip relic]

true

im going to cook on my essays to the best of my abilities 😤

and if i do end up in berkeley i may as well encounter my brother in the wild

[midnight vine]

berkeley loves essays

@high bronze who's your fav professor so far

[high bronze]

jeremy prob

[midnight vine]

which class

is he funny

[high bronze]

data 8

ummm

he's jsut really appraochable

actually i like my english prof a lot too

AHH i have no reservations

my professors are all great

denero the goat

paulin the goat

too hard to choose

😂

[midnight vine]

oooh okay

which professor is like

funny

[high bronze]

I don’t know… all had pretty funny moments ngl

Probably Jeremy though

[midnight vine]

mmm

[runic grail]

Yo chat I just wanted to give a quick lil calm information regarding UC admissions at least for UCSD/UCLA to my knowledge because UCSD and UCLA are extremely similar

Rule of thumb is if you get into UCLA you got into UCSD usually

Most ucsd admits who didn't get into ucla were waitlisted so they're same bucket

they use a ranking system of 1-5 in different aspects to determine your overall rank. 1 is best 5 is worst

this what they look for at least for ucsd

So when you are applying make sure to emphasize those things cause they are specifically looking for them

[rancid grove]

ohh is this the admissions file

[harsh spindle]

🧐

plenty of ucla peeps that got rejected from ucsd and uci

I wouldn’t take this advice

since you only have 4 questions to answer and 9 different campuses, each of which looks for something that suits to them, I would just say submit an application that talks about you rather than tryna hack the system and set yourself up for failure with high expectations

[warped dome]

What do they define as exceptional involvement, demonstrated , and strong

[dense epoch]

Unfortunately idk abt engineering

Wait also how do u request for one

I’m not at a uc

But like

[dry pollen]

A lot of people here got wl or rejected by sd 😭

[dry pollen]

^^

[tulip relic]

if i have lots of candles id light them while i place my ucsd sweater in the center manifesting me getting into a uc

[frosty ibex]

insights gained from piqs: adhd 😭

[midnight vine]

his piq was about adhd

[dry pollen]

😭

Trust guys

You will find your place regardless of where you go

My best friend desperately wanted to go to ucsd, la or any SoCal school and she’s at Davis and she’s absolutely living it up

Like I’m at ucla and she’s partying it up more than me 😭 like tenfold and she’s a cs major

[bold bear]

i'm seeing all these "senior year rigor" but i kinda have objectively less rigor than junior year ☠️

[harsh spindle]

i haven't been to a single party

well i mean i have heard it's pretty hard to get entry as a male

but tbh, after reading some of the UCPD alerts and the police reports, I would prefer to not associate myself with that kinda behavior

[dry pollen]

I have but like idk

They’re interesting

[dry pollen]

No just frats

[dry pollen]

Understandable

[midnight vine]

frats are a vibe icl

[fringe wyvern]

yeah i had 3 ap sciences and like 3 DE math courses last yr

this year i have zero math courses

and ap physics 2

lmao

[pallid stratus]

how true are the uc socially dead allegations

[sweet citrus]

You can join the Costco club

Or the plane flying club

[pale spire]

So true. Like lowkey most people are very adaptable and can feel at home in many places

There will always be a pocket of people somewhere among the thousands of people at a uni who you will vibe with

[dry pollen]

Exactly

[night shore]

CAROLINE

Idk actually but the dorms look nice

Sixth college

[runic grail]

tbh idk

There are def some cool people here but also some losers

Like i've had people who will yap to you which is cool or mfers who u will try to talk to but instead they just side eye you and look down

Like bro you are so lame

[tulip relic]

so one of my ecs is classified as volunteer work (discord server moderator) and im wondering if the aos do fact check the ecs

🤭

[tropic minnow]

Is it cause you don’t want them to know the server?

You don’t have to name it

In the UC ec discord example the server is not named

As such one can presume that the name of the server is an unnecessary component for the write up of that EC

[night shore]

What if I want them to know I moderate a fitness server with 20k+ people

[tulip relic]

no just asking bc the server has over 2k people to the point it's a psuedo organization

[tropic minnow]

Ah ok

Yeah you don’t have to say the name if the discord example is correct

[tulip relic]

wait theres examples??

[runic grail]

Discord moderator as an activity is insane bro you're cooked

[tulip relic]

fr?

it's an art and creativity server 😭

though tied to fandoms

[tropic minnow]

Yes there are

[tulip relic]

where

[tropic minnow]

I’ll send when I get to my dorm

Assuming someone else doesnt send it first

[tulip relic]

send once you come back

[sweet citrus]

Reminder to ask questions to our UC Berkeley AMA! Click on this message then scroll below it to the “submit a question” button to ask Bilbert some questions @everyone

[strange cloud]

@warped dome LFMAOOOAOOOOOO
https://www.reddit.com/r/UCSD/comments/1g6n94z/hottest_professors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

why is the ucsd sub so funny

LOLLLL

[tulip relic]

HELP

THE COMMENTS

😭 😭 😭

[strange cloud]

ucsd subreddit is so funny

[tropic minnow]

I check on UCSD because sometimes I worry about them

[tropic minnow]

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/counselors/_files/documents/2023-counselor-conference/pdfs-with-notes/all-in-the-details_maximizing-the-activities-and-awards-section_with-notes.pdf

Late cause I forgor

[tulip relic]

thank you

[tropic minnow]

Yeah np

[tulip relic]

anyway if i somehow end up in uc berkeley i might as well try finding out where my brother is or encounter him in the wild somewhere on campus

also when i visited ucsd earlier this year i saw some christian missionaries(?) on the pathways

i wonder if any of the other ucs have similar experiences

like they have those leaflets about god and whatnot and their organization's info

oh and do those christian people appear on campus all year round

[strange cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UCSD/comments/y7jboh/campus_police_now_ticketing_people_who_are_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[strange cloud]

ucsd is like right next to the sd mormon temple

checks out

[tulip relic]

computer science should be running rn

[strange cloud]

LMAOO

[strange cloud]

unstable school for unstable people 🤙

like me 🤙

[tulip relic]

university of socially dead

university of chinese internationals

[high bronze]

Yup there’s a pretty regular group here in sproul plaza

[tulip relic]

berkeley?

[high bronze]

yea

[tulip relic]

have you heard of any incidents between the students and those groups

[high bronze]

Not really?

I’m more focused on other things 😅

Honestly I’ve walked by then quite a lot and they’ve never really reached out, they’re just stationary

[tulip relic]

oh

so they just stand there with their leaflets

[high bronze]

I get “harassed” more by school clubs handing out their flyers

😂

[tulip relic]

lmao

[high bronze]

Like I accidentally make eye contact and I trigger an unskippable cutscene

[tulip relic]

i mean theres nearly 50k people there

[high bronze]

Basically yeah

[tulip relic]

like background characters

the most obscure of them

[high bronze]

There’s always something new I guess

There are sometimes preachers with microphones

[tulip relic]

: o

oh my god imagine doing that while a lot of people are walking trying to go to class

[high bronze]

Meh it doesn’t bother me much while briefly passing

[strange cloud]

part of why its dream school

[tulip relic]

same also boba

for me at least

i also get to see sea lions

[high bronze]

Sproul plaza isn’t really near near to any of the classes, even wheeler hall (which is the closest) is a decent distance away in which you wouldn’t really even know what’s going on there

[tulip relic]

i see

[tropic minnow]

I know there's one culty club here but the rest are pretty chill

It's kinda hard to proselytize when you are in a forest

[warped dome]

which club?

[tropic minnow]

I forget its name

I've never interacted with them

[high bronze]

sproul is a beautiful place imo, a cool clash of ideas, sometimes you be walking and its just an acapella group and its a good vibe IMO

[slate mountain]

whats the chances of getting off the waitlist for ucla

because i was under the impression that only a few get off and theres thousands of people on the waitlist, but then my friend told me the chances are like 20% 💀 for getting off the UCs waitlist

[dense epoch]

Depends on a lot of factors

Major and space availability and such

[dry pollen]

Depends on the year

This year a lot lot lot of people got off the wl

Whereas Berkeley took 26 people off their wl this year and the year before 24% was taken off

[pale spire]

Waitlist acceptance rates are super variable year to year

[slate mountain]

ohhhh ic ic

thank u yalls

[night shore]

berkeley cs61a prof

[strange cloud]

is that the incel guy

[high bronze]

no

[tropic minnow]

The what guy

[high bronze]

probably referring to shewchuk, he does the intro ml course

there was a really inappropriate Ed post that he made

[tulip relic]

oh

[high bronze]

my uGSI told me he saw the madness go live

[tulip relic]

👁️

[high bronze]

since he moderates edstem too

[midnight vine]

AVE😭😭😭😭

[midnight vine]

wtf

[high bronze]

my glasses are really loose right now, when I was taking a test yesterday they kept falling while I was looking down at my paper 😅

just stopped wearing my glasses at that point and had to squint a bit

[midnight vine]

rip

how was data 8 midterm

i heard it was light

[tulip relic]

istg ucsd has so many psychology degreess

[high bronze]

Wasn’t bad, one question was pretty funny in particular

The point distributions were weird though

one multiple choice question was like 5 points and one that required a decent amount of steps in implementation was like 2 points

[midnight vine]

ohh

we had a 6 point question on my astro midterm that was "who's the instructor of this course" lol

[high bronze]

lmfao

[boreal hill]

ranking the ucsd colleges is too hard guys

someone give me their list por favor 😭

[night shore]

I don’t regret what I said

The things I’d do

[dry pollen]

Depends on what you want and your major

I will say if you are a stem major and not super into humanities rank erc last

I have 2 friends in it and they despise it

[tropic minnow]

Despise it cause they're stem and just don't enjoy humanities or despite it cause the course sucks

[dry pollen]

Geneds suck

[tropic minnow]

Ah

[tulip relic]

the fact i just read the por favor in peggy hill's voice even though i took 2 years of spanish in high school 😭

[tulip relic]

in terms of gpa i’m probably limited to santa cruz, riverside and merced unless they consider my honors classes bc my school does not allow sophomores to take no more than 2 aps and i took 5 honors classes lol

at least i have my passion for my ecs and essays 🤭

[tropic minnow]

They'll consider honors classes I believe

[tulip relic]

ah

even school ones?

[high bronze]

https://hs-articulation.ucop.edu/agcourselist

you can see if they're honors-approved

[tropic minnow]

Yeah

[tulip relic]

||ive got to admit||

[high bronze]

this is an example from my HS

the star represents that it is honors-approved

[tulip relic]

oh

[high bronze]

H world history in this case wasn't honors-approved

[tropic minnow]

Yeah it depends on the school

[high bronze]

yeah^

so just check it out

[tulip relic]

does this apply out of california

just asking

[tropic minnow]

Not sure but you can check your school

[tulip relic]

ah

[high bronze]

im not sure etiher honestly

[tulip relic]

my school hardly has much uc applicants but when they do they usually are admitted

anyway i’ll check with my school

[tropic minnow]

That makes sense because apart from Berk and LA oos and international applicants have an easier time

[tulip relic]

ah

[tropic minnow]

This is because schools use the fullpay oos and intls to pay for in state kids

[tulip relic]

hold up oos has a higher acceptance rate iirc

[tropic minnow]

Yes

Apart from Berk and LA that is true

[tulip relic]

yeah

anyway i’ll check in with my school even though do not live in california lol

[high bronze]

gl!

[tulip relic]

thanks

[bold bear]

what does ucb and ucsc consider "local areas"

cuz they probably take allat of local students right

[midnight vine]

why does it matter

[dense epoch]

well heres the thing they prob dont care if ur local or not

[bold bear]

yea but it's a state school?

[dense epoch]

being a student close to ucsc or berkeley they dont care

[dense epoch]

still dont care

despite uci being close to me, i got rejected

so end of the day, they dont care

[dry pollen]

They don’t

Csus care more about region than ucs

Ucs just care if you’re in state or oos

[midnight vine]

yeah so they serve the state

[strange cloud]

never do revelle

screw revelle

or erc unless you like your stem education filled with humanities sidequests

[strange cloud]

rejected from uci and into usc is diabolical

[dense epoch]

it is what it is we move on

[tulip relic]

what’s wrong with revelle

[fringe wyvern]

i wonder if avaneesh's spirit haunts ucsd

[wooden sierra]

lmaooo

he almost came to purdue

D:

[tulip relic]

who is avaneesh

[strange cloud]

whos gonna tell her

[tulip relic]

im all ears

[wooden sierra]

look up

r/goatavaneesh

[tulip relic]

the first thing i saw was a mugshot 😭

guys speedrunning at failing in life

OH MY GOD

purdue 😭

there’s even an entire article from ucsd’s newspaper from september 2022 😭

like how was he even allowed to begin with

also him in houston 😭

[wooden sierra]

exactlyyy

this dude is messed up

[tulip relic]

im going down a rabbithole at the moment 😭 😭 😭

might as well start a research paper 🤩

omg in the reddit post he was allegedly going after a&m and ohio state

oh he’s at florida state

😭

i just watched the dad video and holy shit

[fringe wyvern]

its worse if you understand it

top 10 crashouts

[tulip relic]

ik in some parts the dad is speaking in another language though ik he pratically disowned his son

[nova kiln]

Larf

UCB is such a larfing school

(absolute shit hole)

[tropic minnow]

Holy shit

[midnight vine]

no way thats real

[midnight vine]

who is bro

i love this school

[wooden sierra]

It actually is

I know two people that have actually seen and know about him irl

[midnight vine]

no fucking way

[tulip relic]

it’s giving lolcow

he’s gone to 3 going on 4 schools

uhouston
ucsd (there’s a lot of coverage of his time there on the ucsd subreddit, even the ucsd newspaper (guardian) and san diego tribune talked about him when he transferred there)
purdue
florida state (current)

and allegedly ohio state (based on osu abbreviation as the schools he attends are generally very recognizable in some way) and texas a&m

[midnight vine]

he didnt go to purdue from what i read

he got in but then was rescinded

[tulip relic]

yep

and he went off on purdue by snapchatting as he said slurs to them 😭

[midnight vine]

😭

[tulip relic]

like in his transfer to purdue he is required to state that he went to ucsd

that’s why he was rescinded though either way he wouldn’t have gotten in lol

like regardless if he actually does notify purdue about his enrollment at ucsd he wouldn’t get in bc of his atrocious reputation (his yikes-worthy social media and criminal record, the news articles about him at ucsd)

[nova kiln]

[high bronze]

Me 2

🙂

[wooden sierra]

and it wasnt the felonies that got him rescinded

it was an administrative issue (he never disclosed he went to ucsd)

[wooden sierra]

so glad i dont have to see him here 🙏

[tulip relic]

i just got back with my counselor regarding honors classes

[tulip relic]

anyway looks like i’ll be avoiding revelle college 🤷

[glad aurora]

davis fun stuff https://engineering.ucdavis.edu/news/artificial-intelligence-center-engineering-uc-davis

[wooden sierra]

ai hell yeah

big W

[strange cloud]

coolio

[strange cloud]

yeah which is pretty fucking fuynny

[tulip relic]

according to my counselor the honors offered at my school should be about the same as honors here

even though my school is out of state...

eh 🤷

the few people who apply to uc at my school every year (i may be the only person doing so lol)

they usually are admitted

imma cook on my essays 😤

[fringe wyvern]

if relatives in california financially support me does that count as "financial independence"

[midnight vine]

no

[fringe wyvern]

so the only options for establishing tuition residency are:

• parents live in cali
• be financially independent

[midnight vine]

yes

have a job that supports you wholly

im trying to establish residency rn and it's not easy

[tulip relic]

so my mom is trying to get my brother on board in helping me with my application like giving me tips

[dry pollen]

Yeah

Get your parents to move there and you’ll get in state tuition for 2 years

[tulip relic]

my dad lives in california

[midnight vine]

that could work for instate

look into the condit bill

[midnight vine]

yeah

[tulip relic]

in that case my dad's been a permanent resident of california since october 2020

[midnight vine]

he also should have less than 6 weeks of absence from the state

[tulip relic]

oh

in total over the span of 4 years or per year?

[midnight vine]

per year

[tulip relic]

oh

he really only visits during the holidays (so around 2 weeks per year)

[midnight vine]

yeah you should be fine then

[tropic minnow]

For those interested, UCSD has now passed Berkeley in population count under current numbers, making it the second largest UC by student population

[high bronze]

wait whats the first

[tropic minnow]

LA

LA is first, then UCSD, then Berk

[high bronze]

ah ok

do u happen to have the exact figures ? @tropic minnow

[tropic minnow]

For each school?

Or just UCSD

I can get them all just give me a minute

[high bronze]

i guess for each school yeah

[tropic minnow]

University of California, Los Angeles: 33,040 undergraduates, 13,636 graduates, and 1,372 interns and residents, for a total of 48,048 students (2023-2024)
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/ucla-fast-facts#:~:text=In 2023–04%2C UCLA had,residents in medicine and dentistry.&text=UCLA conferred 15%2C186 degrees during,the 2023–24 academic year.

University of California, San Diego: 34,955 undergraduates, 8,043 graduates (including self-supporting), and 2,275 interns, residents, and other health/medicine related students for a total of 45,273 students (2024-2025)
https://tableaupublic.ucsd.edu/views/OfficialThirdWeekReports-AllStudents/AllStudents?%3Aembed=y&%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3AshowShareOptions=true&%3Adisplay_count=no&%3AshowVizHome=no

University of California, Berkeley: 33,070 undergraduates, 12,812 graduates, for a total of 45,882 students (Berkeley offers M.D's through a joint degree with the University of California, San Francisco, and as such does not separate med students into a separate category) (2024-2025)
https://www.berkeley.edu/about/by-the-numbers/

University of California, Davis: 31,797 undergraduates, 7,912 graduates, for a total of 39,709 students (Davis does not separate med students into a separate category) (2023-2024)
https://aggiedata.ucdavis.edu/sites/g/files/dgvnsk1841/files/media/documents/CDS_2023_2024_UCD_0.pdf

University of California, Irvine: 29,503 undergraduates, 5,873 graduates, and 1,974 graduates in "Health Sciences", for a total of 37,350 students (2023-2024)
https://uci.edu/university-facts/

University of California, Riverside: 22,646 undergraduates, 3,780 graduates, for a total of 26,426 students (Riverside does not separate med students into a separate category) (2023-2024)
https://www.ucr.edu/rankings

University of California, Santa Barbara: 23,181 undergraduates, 2,952 graduates, for a total of 26,133 students (Santa Barbara does not have a medical school) (2024-2025)
https://bap.ucsb.edu/institutional-research/ucsb-information-center/enrollment-dashboard

University of California, Santa Cruz: 17,312 undergraduates, 1,861 graduates, for a total of 19,173 students (Santa Cruz does not have a medical school) (2023-2024)
https://admissions.ucsc.edu/posts/statistics

University of California, Merced: 8,372 undergraduates, 738 graduates, for a total 9,110 students (Merced does not separate its BSMD students into a separate category) (2024-2025)
https://cie.ucmerced.edu/overall-enrollment-totals

Of the UCs, 5 have med schools, 2 have joint medicine programs with UCSF, and 3 do not have med schools, though one of them, Merced, is in the process of building one, and another, Santa Cruz, is in the process of analyzing the value of adding a med school.

@high bronze The whole rundown of student population by UC, along with some extra data on med schools

Some of the UCs haven't released fall 2024 data yet

So some of its out of date, but I doubt any of those one have explosive enough growth to take over another UC

[slate mountain]

i didnt know uc had a limit for the amount of hours you volunteered

i have more than 200 volunteer hours but the maximum number i can put is 168

oh its per week

nevermind

[high bronze]

Very detailed ! Where did u pull the data from ?

[tropic minnow]

Thanks! Some of them I pulled from the public press releases the UC pushes out, others I access through their data sets that they have open to the public

[high bronze]

I really wanna pin this but I think some links would be helpful too (but you’ve done an amazing job at this!) you didn’t have to do this much 🥺

[tropic minnow]

Thanks lol, I'll add the links since I got time to spare, and if any mod wants to pin it they should feel free to do so

Links added. Interestingly, while adding the links, I noticed that Davis's CDS and the UC data sets differ by two students. Minor, but interesting

@high bronze in case you need the links

[high bronze]

Fire stuff broski

[strange cloud]

im still not getting in

aoifjwjwovnowinvw

[midnight vine]

damn

isn't UCLA the smallest UC by size

all yall really packed in there huh

[tropic minnow]

I believe that is correct

Not all of UCLA is on the westwood campus though

[dense epoch]

Idk how yall UCs students do it, but I walked the path my friends goes to class, and it takes 20 fcking min

wtf

And I don’t think that’s the farthest

[midnight vine]

i dont walk more than 7 minutes

if its more than that, i take the bus

love buses here

[glad aurora]

thats so long

i can't imagine walking i need my bike

[midnight vine]

7 minute walk being long is crazy

[tropic minnow]

The longest walk I have is like 10 minutes

But general walking can be more

But its not bad

You get used to it

[dense epoch]

wtf

[midnight vine]

what

[dense epoch]

Taking a bus to class just seems insane to me

[dry pollen]

Yeah but that’s just the overall size

Davis is the largest by size but they don’t use half their land

Lots of it is ag stuff

The longest I have to walk is 15 mins but some of my friends have to walk 30-40

[dry pollen]

Nah the only time you see lines are when they’re giving out free stuff every day

[tropic minnow]

Also there’s the off campus property

So not all UCLA students are on at the same time

[midnight vine]

it's like a 2 minute bus lol im just lazy

[harsh spindle]

Yeah, the restaurants to feel packed but the south campus is a lot better

[harsh spindle]

Isn’t USC like 45K students in downtown 💀

[dense epoch]

I’m talking abt on campus, like getting to class

[hearty bramble]

omg hi 😆

[sweet citrus]

The buses here are packed

I would rather walk in that case

I walk 35-40 minutes a couple times a week bc I’d rather not wait for the bus

[dense epoch]

JOSH

[midnight vine]

damn

ours are always empty

except in the mornings

but in the mornings i only need it for like 2 stops so

[tropic minnow]

Ours are busy but you can find space (usually) or wait a bit and one will come

[high bronze]

It’s weird I took one in the after noon and it was packed

Then after like 30 mins of doing my shopping I take another AC bus and it was a ghost town bro

😭

[midnight vine]

damn

[midnight vine]

where'd you shop

[high bronze]

Dark Carnival

[midnight vine]

where's that

[high bronze]

i just used apple maps i forgot

but it's a book store

and i picked up some cool cyberpunk literature for my english class

[midnight vine]

OOOOOOOOOH

[slate mountain]

i think these two links would be helpful

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/applying-uc-new-data-dashboard-sheds-light-admissions-each-academic-discipline

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/freshman-admission-discipline

[marsh sparrow]

just get accepted lowkey

no need to stress

[high bronze]

welcome back

[marsh sparrow]

🙏

[sly storm]

acceptance rate for public health is abysmal bru 😭 we have it as bad as nursing applicants

[tropic minnow]

Yeah that makes sense

Unfortunate but not surprising

[dry pollen]

There’s plenty of other ucs w great public health

It’s ok if things don’t work out you always have other options

[tropic minnow]

True

[mighty quail]

Go bears! Roar

do threads get reset every year?

[marsh sparrow]

pure cs or eecs?

[mighty quail]

pure CS

I cant handle any kind of science 💀

[midnight vine]

yeah

[midnight vine]

are you taking 61a

[mighty quail]

Yeah

[midnight vine]

how are you feeling about the midterm

[mighty quail]

I think I'll do fine (havent started studying yet)

[midnight vine]

real

[mighty quail]

Was sick for 1 day and somehow 1 week behind for math and cs now

[midnight vine]

but lwk i went to the review sesh today and they were doing basic ahh stuff so i left

maybe im just being paranoid bc i barely studied for the first one and did fine

but idk how to study for cs

[midnight vine]

rip that happens

[mighty quail]

I look through powerpoints + review past exams

[midnight vine]

powerpoints as in

their slides?

[mighty quail]

yeah

[midnight vine]

or like another source

ah

[mighty quail]

powerpoints are short and fast to read and summarize pretty nice

textbook pretty dense

[midnight vine]

the videos are nice

[mighty quail]

Yeah, but I have the attentionspan of a fish

[marsh sparrow]

damn nice how was the first midterm

[marsh sparrow]

im doing first midterm as practice test tmrw i hope i get at least a 30/40

[mighty quail]

A bit lower than median lol

But im just tryna pass tbh

[midnight vine]

where's your f

[midnight vine]

tbh thats why i see videos instead of textbook

[midnight vine]

first midterm was lwk light its just a bit of brain power

like if i wasn't being an idiot i could've easily gotten a full score

[mighty quail]

Videos are kinda slow, but when you set it 2x speed words get jumbled

[midnight vine]

my brain works on 2x speed atp tbh

i've been watching denero's lectures at 8x just bc im so behind 💀

[mighty quail]

I pretty much got no points on env diagram 😭

[midnight vine]

yeah that was kinda tricky

[mighty quail]

Got cooked on diagram. Everything else is fine

[midnight vine]

i thought i'd lose a lot there but the only point i lost was the fact that the function returns nothing 💀 😭

[mighty quail]

[marsh sparrow]

on my transcript ngl

[marsh sparrow]

ah ic

[mighty quail]

I wonder how the acceptance rate for CS/EECS will be this year

[marsh sparrow]

ok thats valid

[midnight vine]

LMAO

im sorry thats funny asf

[marsh sparrow]

currently watching oop lectures at 1.25 💀

hard grinding for the midterm rn

[mighty quail]

I gotta catchup on math or else Imma be cooked there

[midnight vine]

whats your biggest opp

like what topic is hardest

[midnight vine]

1a?

[mighty quail]

56

[marsh sparrow]

wdyn

like topic?

[mighty quail]

yes, what is the hardest topic 4 u

[marsh sparrow]

definitely recursion

i thought i had it down and then i did more practice problems and realized i dont understand it at all

[mighty quail]

Recursion is tough

espectiall the return 1 + whatever(n+1)

[midnight vine]

yeah thats fair

i hate recursion + trees

[mighty quail]

i still understand how 1 + works lol. Aparently you can keep count with it????

[marsh sparrow]

yeah i saw that

had to use 1 + for the sum of digits of a number or sum

[mighty quail]

trees are tough too

[midnight vine]

i hate recursion bc you cant env diagram it

[marsh sparrow]

im recatching up on oop i feel like i dont get it either but we'll see

[mighty quail]

I have env diagram cause u gotta env diagram it 🤣

[marsh sparrow]

real

[mighty quail]

what is oop?

[midnight vine]

object oriented programming

💀

[marsh sparrow]

oblect orient

yeah

[mighty quail]

ah

[midnight vine]

oop is lwk so fun

i wanted to fucking kms love ants and bees

[marsh sparrow]

is bees a project

i see on gradescope that ants is coming up

[mighty quail]

aint no way ants is due a day before midterm

and on halloween

devious

[midnight vine]

the project title is ants vs some bees

like its just one project

[midnight vine]

isn't it due 10/30

[marsh sparrow]

oh damn you guys are hella fucked

for me ants is due after the midterm cuz our midterm got moved up a week

[marsh sparrow]

oh ic

[midnight vine]

we had ants checkpoint last week tho

and there's only 3 problems left and they're easy asf

excpet queen bee

[marsh sparrow]

oh damn

[midnight vine]

god i hate that stupid fucking queen

but yeah

[marsh sparrow]

how many pts total

[midnight vine]

23

[marsh sparrow]

nice nice

[mighty quail]

l u c k y

[marsh sparrow]

wait holy shit

61a is so cruel

you need 270/300 for an A- while c88c you only need 170/200

i mean acc nvm its the same amount of points

but proportionally its diff

[midnight vine]

i think points matters more tbh

bc every single assignment has specific points

[marsh sparrow]

ic

[midnight vine]

wait i just found out

if you submit an assignment late on bcourses

you dont get confetti

:((((

im only 1 hour late i want my confetti :(

[mighty quail]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/juiju-confetti-fun-celebration-gif-25544002

Gotchu

here is the confetti

[midnight vine]

awww ty

[rancid grove]

waitt there was a review session?

[mighty quail]

There are a few lol

[high bronze]

Fax

[strange cloud]

the american mind cannot comprehend

[strange cloud]

lol

[midnight vine]

it was the most basic shit ever you didnt miss much

[forest sparrow]

cs70 anyone?

[marsh sparrow]

fuck cs

ugba 103 anyone

[dry pollen]

Yes

[marsh sparrow]

shut yo premed ahh up

[dry pollen]

What I’m in that class

[marsh sparrow]

stfu

no ur not

[dry pollen]

You don’t see me sitting in the front every day?

[marsh sparrow]

no ur in the back most likely

shitty ahh student

[dry pollen]

Erm actually my grades are better than yours 🤓

[dry pollen]

I think you’re self projecting rn

[marsh sparrow]

its quite hard to not be ngl

my grades are about as bad as theyve ever been

[dry pollen]

I’ve been hearing this tbh

Its cause you’re all used to getting A’s

[marsh sparrow]

😦

[dry pollen]

Obv not everyone at Berk can get A’s

Everyone at ucla can though 😎

[marsh sparrow]

grade inflation ahh school

[dry pollen]

People still manage to fail idk how

Like you cannot be that dumb

[marsh sparrow]

average ucla student is that dumb i guess

#2 ahh public

[dry pollen]

Honestly yeah

[dry pollen]

No

[dry pollen]

Also like

It gets much harder

I’m just enjoying the easy stuff rn

[marsh sparrow]

sure......

mickey mouse ahh school

[dry pollen]

Take biochem and then we’ll talk

[marsh sparrow]

im in bruin consulting

[dry pollen]

Does this club even exist

[marsh sparrow]

yes

1.6k followers

top consulting club at ucla

[dry pollen]

Oh yeah it does

[dry pollen]

There’s a lot

Of top ones

[marsh sparrow]

none of them are as close to as good as berkeley ones tho 🙂

[dry pollen]

Ofc

[dry pollen]

Are you in any rn

[marsh sparrow]

stfu

acc im in one technically

[dry pollen]

W congrats

You would have sweeped UCLA’s

[marsh sparrow]

if only

maybe i shouldve committed

[dry pollen]

I lowkey think you would have liked it

Today someone in a business frat came up to me and asked if I was Indian 💀

[marsh sparrow]

arent you indian

[dry pollen]

Yes

But they were like

Doing a punishment and wanted to interview me

[marsh sparrow]

HAHA

did you interview

[dry pollen]

Yeah I felt bad

She asked me what my name meant

[dry pollen]

It’s like that could have been me if I pledged

[marsh sparrow]

idiot

[marsh sparrow]

shouldve pledged

[dry pollen]

Wdym

[dry pollen]

Nah

I’m not trying to live that life

You should have rushed

[marsh sparrow]

thats what ur name means right

its pretty apt

[marsh sparrow]

acc one of the vps of my club said the same thing to me

[dry pollen]

…

[dry pollen]

Alright buddy

[dry pollen]

I told you before you got there but you couldn’t be bothered to listen to my amazing advice 🙄

[marsh sparrow]

no

i told her no

thats stupid i dont want to get hazed

[dry pollen]

That’s valid

Hazing is real

And idiotic

[tulip relic]

as soon as i enter college im avoiding greek life like the plague

[high bronze]

next year :D

[dry pollen]

yk i think it depends where you go

ucla sororities don't haze and are quite supportive

[harsh spindle]

Says who I got cooked by the biotech quiz today

[marsh sparrow]

berkeley sororities haze pretty bad

[high bronze]

I’ve only been to homework parties

[harsh spindle]

Homework parties tf

[harsh spindle]

I will tell you how

That’s how they fail

💀

[high bronze]

ants messed me up

cats and hog… ptsd man

[marsh sparrow]

i love cats

is ants really that bad

cats wasnt horrible imo

[high bronze]

hog was worse

[dry pollen]

HOW

That was so easy what

[dry pollen]

Oh really??

my roommates rushed so ik for fact ucla does not

[dry pollen]

help what

[dry pollen]

real

[marsh sparrow]

oh nice

hows ur shoebox room

[dry pollen]

It;s huge

didn;t I send a room tour to the gc

[marsh sparrow]

i dont look at it much anymore

too much yap

[dry pollen]

Loser

My room is huge

[harsh spindle]

Nah I am kidding I made 1 silly error

Gotta deal with 2 more quarters of this bs though

I hate the 1% participation per week, 10% research paper, 10% speech, 5% peer review, 15% quiz 1, 10% quiz 2, 30% final, and remaining % bullshit type grading

just fucking keep it 30-30-40 and be done with it

[dry pollen]

what error

[dry pollen]

i mean you can drop it lol

[dry pollen]

Loll

[dry pollen]

it's chill they are trying to make it accessible to everyone

[harsh spindle]

Nah calc doesn’t quit

[harsh spindle]

Imperial vs Oxford study

[harsh spindle]

I think a much simpler grading system is more accessible, it’s not overwhelming and you don’t need to keep track of so many things at once

[dry pollen]

lol

[dry pollen]

The frq?

[dry pollen]

Sorry bad phrasing more considerate of different learning styles

[midnight vine]

no but my roommate's taking math 55

[midnight vine]

not real

grade deflation barely exists here

lwk