#UT Austin (2023-2024)
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nooo i'm oos
Ah hell nah
nahh i have to file my fin aid appeal and wait for that to go through T_T
but like almost
ahh gotcha, yeah im worried about fin aid as well if i get in
I've never seen this be worn but I'm already sick of it
😭 it’s kinda hard tho
jus overused
so much better usc merch
Yooo nice!
got my bhp packet before my acceptance packet
jus had 2 letters and a tiny ass sticker
the acceptance packet is pretty good
they better send me mine lol, i jus got an acceptance letter from the president
it has a small flag, stickers, the gone to texas tower thing and some other pamphlets/flyers
weird cuz i think some oos kids got the full packet
far better than my other one
i legit got one singular tiny sticker
from another school
are yall going to discover bhp
no
what happened thought u we’re
r u considering it?
ik its a lot of effort to come from oos
if youre seriously considering UT i think theres no better time to visit
yea i booked my flight already
W
gonna come on the 22nd, see a bit of austin, do the event on the 23rd, then go to dallas for a few days w my dad
i think ima drive down there the night before
dallas to austin is about 4 hours i think
do you get instate bc of ur dad
i was tempted to go to the nascar race on the 24th but my dad said no
my dads here he jus has friends and clients he wants to see. he’s been comtemplatinf moving to texas for a bit so this might work out after freshman year
but i heard from a friend that she got a hella good scholarship with bhp
yea most bhp merit scholarships are for oos students ive heard
to help with the costs
and to attract them
yea ima 3.5 hr drive away so ill prolly come on the 22nd
i dont wanna do early morning
if it gets to me to the in state cost or even less i don’t know if there’s any colleges i would go to over it
aren’t u going to georgetown?
just curious how much did ur friend get
debating still + waiting for RDs
+no fin aid info yet
don’t remember the exact amt but it was below in state cost
i meant the admitted student day my b
oh to go from oos to instate tuition is insane sheesh
no i decided not to
ah
bc i didnt wanna fly to DC then fly to austin immediately in the middle of the night
makes sense
most likely visiting in april during the RD weekends
unless i get into smth i really like better late march in which case i wouldnt visit
so works out in a way ig
my teachers gonna hate me skipping ap prep to visit any rd’s
i have IB exams late april so ima try and get my visits done early april
to mid april max
makes sense
honestly it could just be 1 visit max
or it could be up to 2-3 i dont know atp
thats what frustrates me
colleges can legit release so late
yea idk if umich doesn’t give good aid or scholarships i think im committing to texas
like basically april 1?? and u get a month to decide
oh u got ross? W
nah nah not yet. hopefully
honestly if ur instate cali its worth it to wait for berk haas 👀
jus thinking of what could beat texas
def waiting but im not in love with the berkeley culture
but haas is haas
i’ll go visit if i get it
i think overall people would put ross over bhp but for my situation i would take bhp over ross since the weather, location, cost is better for me
and i alr have connections
oh yea def
yeaaa idk if i can go from 70s to -40 just like that
wouldve applied to GMP if UCs werent so expensive
prolly wouldve done ucla, ucb, ucsd
didnt wanna write all the PIQs tho when realistically im not going
even if i manage to bag
yea those weren’t fun
started to reuse some ed and ea ones, realized they were shit and started from scratch
word
did u ed penn?
ah
did u do rd penn
yes
did u get deferred?
tbh i didnt feel ready to ed
and i dont believe it provides much of an advantage
especially with the comp that wharton has
nah straight reject
yea i regret it tbh
if i did rd i would ahve much more writing experience and would’ve written better essays
nah u got that
nah you're in trust
auto fr
dont need more false hope but thanks for the encouragement lmao
Bruh
Hopefully that's not the same for CSB too 😭
I want some cool stuff
hopefully we get some good shit at the discover bhp thing
I got into bhp and ecb but I was wondering how hard it’ll be to transfer to csb? anyone know?
why do you want to transfer
and i would assume that it is incredibly hard
considering it's cs
i want to work in hedge funds and it seems that ecb is more for tech
i might end up just doing bhp then
u cant transfer
unless ppl drop maybe
^^ csb curriculum is kind of packed they dont let people transfer in
what type of role
ecb is probably ur best bet for like quant type stuff
in general a lot of financial firms like seeing a heavy math background which ECE falls under kind of
ece honors still aint out for me 😭
like they like seeing cs/physics/math/ece
bc of how much math there is
in addition to just finance/business majors
yea should be
idk how any of the ecb kids are doing for quant ngl
turing is ur best bet for quant
whoa what
maybe a couple more
thats crazy
most of csb isnt as good at cs as turing on average lol they get extensions on stuff regularly and have way more generous curves than turing
bc their averages on all the cs assignments are lower
THERES EXTENSIONS ON ASSIGNMENTS IN COLLEGE?
and quant swe is way more cs heavy u need pretty much 0 financial knowledge
well
ah makes sense
broooo 😭
like our OS prof used to give CSB extensions randomly but not turing
since like 3/4 of the class wouldnt be even close to done like a day before the deadline
speemch i heard bhp guarantees mbb
two of the alumni (22 and 23) were at mckinsey and bcg respectively
and the 03 dude got some good ib job
lowkey UT in general guarantees mckinsey lmao
back in his day
i have no background in consulting and got an interview
yeah idk about bain or bcg
ive heard lots about bcg
but yea it seems like its pretty solid for consulting feeding
not as good as like t20s since literally any major from a t20 can go into consulting as a backup
but solid
yooo W
yeah csb gives startup
I want easier grades
thesis sounds scary
also dyk how much they help with startups tho
take ecb and run with it
i mean
austin got that start up scene
ur degree is not gonna help with startups lol
thats just if u have good ideas
u can get vc connects through orgs and stuff i doubt an honors program is gonna help a ton for that
yeah I meant the education and opportunities that come with it lmao
not the degree
yeah idont think the education matters a ton either
i feel like csb is pretty explicitly designed to cater to those kids that really wanna do start ups
probably
but yeah you can break into the start up scene without honors programs
i mean if u really wanna connect with vcs
i dont think csb is gonna do that for u
theres like startup orgs on campus
which are much better for that scene
ya ik, I can do that outside of college too
u can look into like capital factory and stuff
just curious what csb does that makes it seem focused towards startups
tx blockchain has a vc fund
csb will undeniably help somewhat tho
literally just the business major lol
just
which like is useful if u wanna understand the finances and stuff that go into a business
but i doubt its very necessary at early stage
they do have the longhorn startup lab and seminar things, idk much about what those do tho
i wonder how good ut info is for ppl who want to do SWE
(i personally wont do informatics, there's far too little theory and math in there :/)
is it too late to apply
yuh i think
can i transfer into turing?
did you guys get that thomas jefferson email
idk
yuh
yuhhhh`
yeah
you'd have to transfer into cs first
unless ur committing to UT for ur non cs major, i wouldn't recommend going to UT especially if u have a better option
cs internal transfers are hella competitive
yeah
yes
theres a process
it involves petitioning for turing classes usually given that ur already a cs major and u submit an app to transfer into turing
and taking them with the rest of turing
and like based on ur performacne + the rest of ur transfer app u might get in
i think like > half the people who were petitioning the classes got in
for my year
no idea in general but like the 2-3 people i know doing informatics havent gotten internships yet
but like we're also sophs
so it doesnt matter a ton but if u want something good junior year u prob wanna intern soph summer too
Wtf that's a lot
.
bro apparently 3 people got into CSB at my school
💀 arent there only 30 spots or somethign
who tf wants to live in texas anyway 💀
Nah
Also btw programs overadmit lol
Just bc bhp class is 125 doesnt mean they only admit 125 lmao
yeah i see
yeah this is how my school is too usually 💀
3 csb 3-5 turing
Nah u will get it tmrw
bet thx gang
Yea lol I had similar amount at mine
Wild
60-80 admits and 40-50 spots I think
rejected turing 😔
yea lol
i got ece honors
W
we got it gang
thx boss
thx gang
yuh gang
issok its not hard to transfer into turing if u tryhard ur first few sems
the real question is if you'd want to. like some of my friends in ut cs said they just didnt gaf about turing anymore after they got into the school
yooo same 😭😭
issok we don’t needa be doing research anyways
ofc man
did UT overadmit cs this year
for me ece honor still defer lmfao
ur gna meet my boy arya k in cockreel
ahhh damn what... it's like 10:44pm
NAH U THE GOATTTTTT, THANK YOU
i've heard of this dude b4 lmao, popped up on my friends' stories
he my debate goat
Check again
c10 debate 💀
Fr
did anyone get a housing contract today? think they were supposed to start coming out right
yeah one of my friends got his
Yea if you committed I think
Still defer
March 1
Probably missing some required courses so can explain in the form
did bro resopnd to himself
yes
nice
im cooked right
😭
💀 LMAO ITS MARCH 2nd??!?
nah but one of my other friends didnt either
yese
they prolly didnt even review mine bro
idk whats wrong with ut rn
finessing us
did youc all the office
its closed
rizz
did anyone get UT austin rd decisions?
low
LMFAOOO
but they said 03/01
they’re also liars 😞😞
we got scammed
lo
w
honestly anything out of state would be low but intls especially those coming from a diff education system
77 callers on ut austin line
My friend who got accepted received a call from the regional admissions officer congratulating him and stuff
And I checked if I also got one
Turned out I declined his call fjdhdhsh 😭😭
Talking about making a good impression 😔
do all accepted students get called?
I’m not sure, the admission officer came to my school before to talk to us so that might have been a factor
nah that's the right call
I decline anything that's not from a number I recognize
99% are just scam callers
it's not worth the trouble, if you pick up you'll probably just get even more scam calls
True true
Funny thing is that the name the phone is registered under makes it more suspicious, it was like “Test Mpvt Sk123”
💀
why did your friend pick up that call
He usually picks up scam calls and troll them
He was inches from saying “Hi, this is the FBI. We’re investigating…” but the other person was like “Hi, is this [his name]?”
anyone else not get an acceptance package yet
i think theres some thing / option
and didnt show up
id contact prob
or maybe it takes a while
I just accepted admission
so maybe it takes a minute to update
we'll see
it takes a day or two for it to show up
ut appeal decisions?
i did but i applied priority
not sure if you did
i got my decision by feb 1 but didnt apply priority
alr
Is there a Csb or bhp discord?
Theres a bhp groupme
they just emailed out a csb discord
wait what does this even mean?
no 💀
everyone could apply for housing in the fall, way before we got our decisions, accepted or not
so i don't think it means u got accepted or rejected
ohh
i didn't apply for housing then tho
decision email??
ohh oka
my application got stuck for a while
i opened my inbox just now to check
cuz i didnt submit the deficiency form
why?
💀
real tho
me too
i emailed them i want my stickers n banner
i just want my decision letter lol
guys on mystatus it says that my application was cancelled
wtf
apparently they did this to few other folks on reddit
same thing happened to my friend but she submitted it like 7 min before the deadline so how can they just cancel the application like that 😭
when
in RD?
cuz i submitted my app like 1 minute before the deadline
yeah rd
ik i told her to call them today or try appealing bc it doesn’t make sense
that’s still technically on time tho
yea but u said she did 7 min before
yea it says 11:53pm in common app
i feel bad for her she’s been waiting so long for it just to get it canceled 😭😭
maybe she didnt submit transcripts or any req materials?
nah her whole checklist was all green
like everything was submitted
damn
theres like a waittime of 2 hrs 💀
80-90 callers in queue
i called like 2 mins after the office opened and they had like 20 callers in queue
this is their fault fr maybe if they were better at communicating with their applicants it would be better
the only thing i can think of is my transcript got uploaded way after dec 11💀 i'm not sure why though bc it wasn't my responsibility to upload it.. everything else was uploaded a few days after i submitted my application
bro joined the discord 😍😍
💀
i cant keep asking u if anyone has said anything similar to my situation😍😍
same
how do we sort tthis out?
call them
chat is appealing last second gonna matter
yes
2 of my friends got into utcs last minute after appealing after getting rejected and capped
im talking about chances of an appeal submitted on 3/14/24 (one day before the deadline) vs today
when do appealas come out
so for my appeal, I have a significant file to load. does this 5 day rule apply if I upload it myself or is it for ppl that need something submitted on their behalf?
i see
Are appeals first come first serve ?
prob not
where do u go to appeal?
also
appealing for a different major
doesnt jepordize the major u got in for?
right?
vue user detected
vue and react are both great
if u say angular go cry in a corner
what makes it diff?
angular is googles right?
uses vanilla js
has the same lifecylce hooks and stuff
tho
well wait until u see vue
hmm
its 10x easier
but still react is the same thing
been using svelte
havent tried svelte
yea
nuxt + ts
vue native is downright horrible so i tried react native instead
im using swift for mobile apps honestly
but then what if u wanna publish to google play
thats the thign
Lmao
So if u want ur app to be on all devices
U gotta write in kotlin
And swift?
use react native or dart/flutter
rip
Thank you for the knowledge
no problem
lmao
Can’t be a business student
the ut direct portal is so ugly 
💀
W
Does a late appeal matter
"cs"
have bhp scholarships been announced?
I havent got anything yet
idt they start reviewing until the due date
I think they were supposed to be released on March 15
merit aid also comes out that day ^
Merit scholarships come out that day; pretty sure they are the same thing
Bhp scholarships are the merit scholarships
do deans scholar get any scholarships?
UT back to test required
Lmaoooo
I will be the last of the test optional kind

Lol
seemed cool https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/
Read the last part
They changed so much within a year
Cuz they didn’t wanna pray on my downfall
1160 versus 1420 is absolutely bonkers
.86 gpa lower is crazy
ut austin be accepting cracked students all the way to SpongeBob
i assume yeah
yep
the tsi thing
if u were TO, they still need like some college readiness thing so if u send the sat ig it fills the TSI requirement
fair
Doea this count appeals for class of 2028 too?
no
says
start of
2025
admissions
SAT wont matter for appeals im pretty sure
I didnt submit my 720 math
for admissions
apparently it has to be a significant
change or some shit
idk
oh ok yea
they don’t really care if u grades got better or stuff like that for appeals
it’s more about extenuating circumstances or mistakes
Not necessarily true
If you were non auto originally but rose to top 6% in senior year then you have a decent chance
not really 💀
i think they prioritize out of state kids for scholarships from what i’ve seen
cns is also just broke i think
mccombs and cockrell give out way more scholarships
no way hi speemch
do yall have spring break
yoo nice for how long
yeah
week just for spring break
i’m kinda locked in though
LOL doing what
oh that’s crazy
gonna be jet lagged for longer than ur actually there
fr bruh
but visiting my grandpa who’s hella old
so better now than in summer to visit
jobs and grinding cs 😭
locked in summer internship yet?
some homework i need to get caught up on bc i have like 4 exams next week
yeah summer and fall
prob taking fall off to intern
thx 🙏🏽
makes sense
i was supposed to go to india over winter break but i went to spain instead
Ive mainly heard cbhp does it
Csb and ecb dont
engineering honors gives scholarships, not the specific honors programs in cockrell
What if someone has accepted admission- any chance of cbhp merit scholarships then?
Yea
Should be released by tomorrow
when is my decision gonna come out bruh
Can u show email
Ayy dub
Bruh
aw that sucks i didnt get one then
how much did u get?
bruh wtf i didnt know heerw was a form for scholarhips
wait can someone help
do i need fill out this form for financial aid or scholarships
i already submited fafsa but like i didnt do anything else
How much
Last yr appeal decisions came out the same time as Stanford rd
It was super depressing 💀
I got cap then appeal reject 🤭
which was insane imo
cap to appeal reject is common
thats whats gonna happen to me i think lol
I did not expect it
I think it was just my class rank
probably, i think thats what UT cares about the most
if they reject ur appeal you can still do cap tho right? cus i know a lot of ppl appealing who are still interested in cap
are u in state or OOS
or wait u said cap
so prob in state
rip
they start reviewing tmr 😭
So they actually look at them and not throw you into a bowl and draw names?
I Imagine ut appeal as just a lottery lol
UT will lemme in fr
BHP EMAIL 😭😭
there are some very legit appeal reasons (i.e incorrect info on app)
so idt it's a straight up lottery that depends on under/overenrollment
most likely each one gets skimmed and a decision is made in 20-30 seconds
does anyone know if you can appeal if you're auto admit that just didn't get your intended major
I think u can
yes you can
my friend got into cs
through appeal
(ended up rejecting ut anyways as a power move) 🤣
wait i thought the appeal page was supposed to be in mystatus thought but i’ve looked everywhere and don’t see anything?
the deadlines today so idk
ye
major change request
a freind did it last year and got in
oh nah it is
naw ur cooked
did you get it in on time
i finally figured it out 💀 i turned mine in, but even though it was yesterday (march 15) the system said it was march 16? so idk
Did you take a screenshot with the date by chance
I think if you or they can prove it was in by the deadline ur fine
We’re getting in fr, in a week or two we’re going to see good news on mystatus
Nahh I shoulda 😭 but how would u even send that over to prove it ⁉️
ong 🔥🔥
🔥🔥
Ya
Most ppl live off campus I’m pretty sure
there will be plenty of ppl looking for flatmates I’m sure
Naval Academy Summer Seminar, team captain 3 sports, work 20 hours a week, volunteer, bs internship (exaggerated), president of enviornmental club - organize clean ups
bruh im cooked a fuck ngl
but 1% chance >> 0%
did u do any engineering focused things ?
but i have NROTC and AROTC scholarship now which i talked about in my appeal
yea my internship
oh tbh idk 😭 if I’m going to be honest I had like a good amount of cs and cybersecurity shit on my application that’s what I think got me in
what were ur essays abt !
?*
i forgot lol
i deleted that google doc
my appeal was about ROTC n shi tho
and i uploaded the scholarships
i think thats decently unique idk
yea
im cooked
but its ok
penn state is tuff
u should’ve applied to VT they’re ROTC is big
ong i shouldve
i wish i applied to VT and Purdue :/
a lot of colleges i wish i applied to lol
well there’s always transferrr
I just watched a move called my all American it’s about a UT football. Player yall should watch it 💪
you can probably find an apartment lease with some other people (this will probably be upperclassmen since most freshmen live on campus)
or if u know someone who signed up for housing super early you could try getting into their housing group if they dont have a roommate yet
but thats kind of hard if u dont know anyone/most people will prob have roommates decided already
anyone at UT know anyone that got into UT on appeal? specifically engineering
yeah
ik 1 engineering 2 cs and 1 mccombs that got in off appeal
my year
And ik 4 people all got in through cs appeals :)
the wait till april 1st is grueling ngl lol
anyone know transfer decision date
yeah i think they have to check cus some ppl might have moved up to 6% and stuff like that
that was an old message oops stuff wasn’t loading
ut 😍
jester 🤩
small flex
Hell yea !
yikes
Yea it’s one of the biggest dorms like 13k kids but it’s kinda cool
noo 😭
Decided not to apply for UT Austin spring, can't stand living in Austin again (hated UA as well, so that's out). So it's TTU 27' here
Congratulations for all who were accepted, thanks for answering questions
im going jester regardless
san jac cost too mcuh and jester seems like i might actually make friends if im there so ill take my chahnces
whats UA?
University of Arkansas (Walton College of Business), found out I didn't like the area/campus that much. TTU is solid for IE/SCM though & I bagged a good scholarship
im not going to two universities I just put my top 2 rn 😭
YOU ARE A HATER
jp
nothing i just live in east lmao
it might be louder if that bothers you
esp the lower floors
Huhh Ik what a double major is ..?! I never even talked about majors at all all I did was send photos 😭 and I assumed you were talking about my name cause you said 2 colleges on it and my nickname has umich and ut cs snd those are my fav for what I’ve gotten into so far
um im kidding LMAO
i just made the joke cus double college =! double major lols
LOL bad joke mb
anyone know what orientation reg is like?
im cns, so registering for orientation happens tmrw
but i dont wanna accept/pay the deposit right now since im waiting for RD schools
does that cook my chance at getting an earlier orientation session?
probably
but i think you only schedule classes for first sem in orientation so not a big deal since those shouldnt be hard
aight thx la pulga :)
does anyone know when appeals come back
i think ppl said last they started coming out after march 15 but it’s rolling until april 1st
probably by april first
and apparently transcript mistake appeals are prioritized ofc
ima cancel my appeal if i can to maybe give someone a better chance
thanks man we appreciate 🫡

i got into my #1 choice so idrc about ut anymore ig
my parents (both UT alum) are prolly gon be mad but idc
what was your #1 choice
west point
i got in but i’m appealing my major
tryna go to mccombs
i didn’t apply there cause the app was longer
i got lucky and somehow got in to cola
Good luck
thanks
Anybody get Canfield/Plan 2 Scholar?
I just got and tryna see who would be in program
It’s full ride
Yes
Maybe for you lol
whats plan 2
A Liberal arts honors program
Real
Most scholarships at UT are need based right
Cbhps take both need and merit into consideration
I JUST GOT A GURANTTEE FULL RIDE AND HOUSING GURANTEED FOR FRESHMAN YEAR !
ayy congrats
Tysm !
not 13k
more like 3-4k
canfield and plan 2 are not full rides lol
that’s probably coming from ur fafsa or u got a different scholarship
like maybe through canfield but the program by itself doesn’t give u any
oos is 24k
So pretty !
Canfield/plan 2 scholar program is
It’s a scholarship program
For only some those accepted into both
bro cooked himself
its not for everyone accepted into both though
its its own thing
bc i definitely know people in both plan 2 and canfield who do not have full rides lol
did any of you appeal and have already heard back?
i haven’t heard back - i appealed to change my major
from what to what?
do you know if you to keep your original major if you get rejected from appeal btw i was always curious about that
Yea I didn’t get any scholarship or financial aid or anything
Gonna be paying like 70k a year out of state to go
Ofc fafsa got delayed but like all merit scholarships were already released
70k still better then like 95k for nyu or usc etc tho
Just visited and low key hated it it’s so hot
Felt so tired just walking around
No it’s not?
Rn?
It’s chilly
Nah I was at campus walking around in the sun
I’m used to it being way colder so for me it was hot
75 in the sun is hot for me lol
Where I live it’s like 40
50 is like good
Blud i was just there
Shit was 65
Ofc it felt hot in formal wear
Most ppl wear shorts (tshirt optional)
wtf lol
shouldnt it be like 50-55k max
70k is only the UCs
ut oos tuition is around 40k + add 13-15k for housing
oh youre fucked
its in the 90s-100s here for like 100 days straight sometimes
over the summer
but most of fall is hot
fr bruh its been bad
u keep it!!
from history to mccombs business
so prolly won’t be approged
approved
but i’m out of state and super qualified so idk
the weather was so chill today
WERE U AT DISCOVER
ye
💀
my commit post fr
Lmao u got the flick
It worked out man rejected from UT but accepted to NEU
UT is on crack
UT is fuckin absurd
i was in your stomping grounds today
bro what does this remotely mean
i was in your territories
Got into West Point, 12% admit, rejected by UT in state
hell yea congrats on westpoint ! And imo once you meet the requirements of the academies ( nomination, pass cfa, gpa, get like 50% of SAT avg) your almost guaranteed to get in the reason the acceptance rate is so minimal is cause so many people fail the cfa even by a few reps like just on push ups for expample or they don’t get a nomination so they’re automatically rejected
But in other universities it’s so random and there’s not like a do this this and this and hope that’s what they’re looking for the academies are pretty clear on what they want they talk about leaders so much in their application and fitness and nominations
Idk that’s just my take I was tryna go to the usafa I had got my nomination and stuff but I barely failed my cfa 😭 it’s okay I learned a lot from it but best of luck to you and your future congrats again !
It depends on ur nomination slate
The way the academies does admissions is that you’re compared to your slate, then you’re thrown into the national waiting list to compete
congressman only allowed to have 5 students at each academy, so when one graduates one spot opens up. The winner of the nomination slate (congressmen are allowed to nominate 10 per vacancy) is 100% in bc, by law, the academies are to prioritize filling every district in America. Once that one spot is filled, the rest are thrown into a national waiting list to fill the rest of the class.
I didnt win my slate but still got in
Yea it’s not as academic heavy as a lot of universities i think, they’re not gonna take a nerd who cant do more than 10 push ups or a 1600 sat with high blood pressure yknow what i mean
My brother got rejected by usna (3 Q) and did nrotc at rice 😭
Fuckin UT bruh
are u commited
im playing with you
i was rejected tho
ikik
just like my friends
atleast I got into a school
bro yesterday at discover bhp dean lillian mills (mccombs dean) told us to go back and tell our friends who didnt get into mccombs that theres always grad school and mba and they should reapply to mccombs then
that was mad disrespectful ngl 💀
that honestly wild
I am friends on linkedn with an old UT dean but bro left right when I applied
now he is president of emerson
I will most likley not be applying mccombs for mba
im tryna mob Tuck
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