Yale University (2023-2024)

[low helm]

oooo cool

gl on rea guys u will cook 🔥🔥

[north current]

i might do epe or south asian studies

[dense holly]

I’m applying to marketing everywhere but ivies !

[uneven crag]

could u share the template please

[north current]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wn_VZJD1hMnHuGPHub0KXNRWyQlG4U4CwOR4IYSqa7k/edit?usp=sharing

[uneven crag]

thank you so much!!

[north current]

np

[low helm]

OHHH okok

[rugged chasm]

how comp is yale econ

[haughty plank]

its yale so

competitive

[cloud forum]

im also applying yale rea

[austere wasp]

hi jay

[cloud forum]

wassup

[austere wasp]

does anyone know for this prompt:
Reflect on an element of your personal experience that you feel will enrich your college. How has it shaped you?*

is "college" referring to Yale college or the individual housing colleges u get assigned to?

[north current]

yale

[cloud forum]

i honestly feel that it could be the housing college because if it specifically says "your" that might imply that its the assigned houses

[north current]

yh but you dont even know your housing college until u get there 😭

[cloud forum]

but u still have one i mean like u dont need to know a specific housing college to write that essay

regardless i have zero clue what that essay is 100% tryna say

[wary star]

college is referring to your collegiate institution or your college experience

what prompt is this?

[austere wasp]

3rd prompt of one of the 400 essay prompts

[wary star]

and it just says "college"?

no other words?

im just surprised that yale would be that direct

[austere wasp]

yeahh idk

maybe i’ll email an AO to clarify

[river osprey]

yale college

[graceful badge]

is it true that need-blind colleges aren't actually need-blind

why does it pop up on my tiktok all the time

[wary star]

ultimately it’s people who are making the decisions behind whether somebody gets in or not

and people are subject to their own biases and preferences

can you ever 100% guarantee that income isn’t used in the decision making process? How could you even confirm such a claim?

The way I see “need blind” is that, on aggregate, your income doesn’t hurt you in the college admissions process

need-aware schools explicitly discriminate against students who require aid, and so need-blind schools are just not that

I suppose

[graceful badge]

right..

I think so too

and also ppl talking about submitting their financial application late so that the decision was alr made

doesn't it sound absurd tho

[wary star]

well that’s only if any determination rests on your financial aid status, which for need blind schools, it does not

sure, you can talk about financial hardships in your application essay, and AOs might consider your hardships in how your character evolved over time and the like

but no need blind school is going to reject you because you’re too poor or too rich (and only because of those factors)

[wary star]

no

I don’t think it does

[graceful badge]

i thought they should've indicated financial need in their apps so AOs should've known?

[final chasm]

Same I saw one today 💀

I think it’s bs

He said they have a ‘quota’

For people seeking aid

[graceful badge]

BRO

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING

it bugs me

[tulip raptor]

except where you live, what your parents do, what school you go to etc?

[graceful badge]

Wdym

We have to indicate in our app whether we need fin aid or not right?

For need blind too (?)

Rlly?

I think the tiktoks are just scaring the shit out of me

Time to touch grass

Right

Thanks for the pointers man

Yeah i think the tiktoks are just scaring ppl

Well i kinda understand the pov from the person on the tiktok but yeah

At the end of the day no one rlly knows what causes someone to be accepted or rejected

[wary star]

what source do you have

need 👏 blind👏 AOs 👏 don't 👏 have 👏 access 👏 to 👏 financial 👏 aid 👏 statements

the closest thing they have is whether (a) you're in the diversity pile (literally) or (b) you talk about it in your app

sure, they can infer based off of where you go to school

but they don't have access to your tax returns

dude please google before you post

[haughty plank]

or your last name is on a building

[wary star]

actually real

[final chasm]

Not me, it’s the weird TikTok guy
And he really has a lot of reputation💀

[wary star]

he is not an accurate source of information

[final chasm]

He also says some false things but I don’t just have evidence to prove my point haha

[north current]

the ivy roadmap guy?

[final chasm]

Yessss💀

[north current]

oh hell nah i blocked him cuz he just spews bs all the time

[final chasm]

Exactly

He keeps popping up on my fyp

People pay for his advice lol

[north current]

him and harvard honey are full time scammers

[final chasm]

Harvard honey exactly !

She claims she submitted 6 recommendation letters💀

And has never given proof of any of her claims

[north current]

and one was some mysterious ceo 😭

[final chasm]

Exactly from a ‘biomedical engineering company’ 😭😭

So biomedical engineering companies really exist?😭

[north current]

i blocked her and the ivy guy cuz they’re too much

[final chasm]

Or just labs imo

[final chasm]

I might do just that tbh

[north current]

the harvard rotc guy is weird too but he has some good advice

[final chasm]

Who’s that

[north current]

nickmarcenelle

[final chasm]

I think he’s legit😭

[north current]

yh same

[dusky tusk]

he says the same things as ivy roadmap

[north current]

true

[dusky tusk]

im guilty bc i work for one of those

like i manage their social media and i have an internship

and got an offer from another one

not those 3 but people with similar accounts lmao

[north current]

is it that limmy guy

[wary star]

ok nerds

on the half-notion half-new a2c website that's being finalized, I've written a full on Yale article

detailing a bunch of stuff

ill post a draft here

[north current]

yale is #1 according to niche cuz its just so good

[wary star]

im still working on the campus resources section

[wary star]

for undergrad i feel that

it's currently almost 1900 words so

it should have a lot of good info

otherwise just ping me and ill either clarify, rewrite, or omit details in the article

[north current]

is there a link somewhere

[wary star]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GcZJhPqbCMtQt2iUJch9epeYvsYBAAMIukpTqqkjXxQ/edit?usp=sharing

this will soon be paired with diagrams and the like

[uneven crag]

doing gods work 🙏🏻 ily

[low helm]

ur the goat bro 🙏

[north current]

you forgot to put davenport in the res colleges

[wary star]

got it

[final chasm]

MY GOAT ALKIE!

[dusky tusk]

Can neither confirm nor deny

I will spill in dm if u rlly wish to know but not a public chat 😭😭

[north current]

sure now im curious

[rustic marsh]

yo what

[dusky tusk]

yes

[cloud forum]

i feel like those types of tiktok accounts spread so much misinformation its so harmful bro

[teal tusk]

Wtf is yandle

a yale candle i assume

[final chasm]

That was smart…. Harvard is calling

[dense holly]

their quote is “and instead of or” or smth like that

so I think it’s related to that??

[vale lake]

yeah lmfao i thin

i independently came up with yandle before joining here and it freaks me out

[wary star]

bro i didnt even know that until bulldog days

[dense holly]

I only know that because you told me I think 💀

[north current]

i think they said it on a tour i was in

[final chasm]

Saw this in the 2020 essay prompt

[haughty plank]

could someone tell me which box i should be pressing

obviously i waived my ferpa stuff in general but i have no clue what this actually means

[wary star]

dont waive it

trust me

if you get in and read it it can be really interesting

[haughty plank]

and it won't effect my app or anything?

[wary star]

no

it will not effect your app

you only read the thing after you get in

[dusky tusk]

are u 100 percent sure abt this

[wary star]

guys yes

why the hell would it affect admissions

i doubt they even see whether you waived it or not

[dusky tusk]

then why is it there in the first place

[wary star]

that's a wonderful question

if I had to guess, there was once a time when yale barred anybody from reading anything about their app file and then the federal government forced them to open up the process

and so they put that little checkbox there with slightly confusing language so you hopefully don't view it

or just so they have their asses covered legally

[haughty plank]

its just confusing since the main ferpa thing is super important

[wary star]

yeah I know

[cloud forum]

im just going to waive cuz the other parts of the app would be more interesting to read for me lol

[vale lake]

what??

ive been told by everyone to wavie it

[cloud forum]

but honestly i think the more important thing to waive is lor by far

i dont think waiving an interview review would change that much

[final chasm]

Ferpa is different from the interview waiver lol

[wary star]

waiving all letters is a portion of FERPA

waiving your interview is different from waiving your teacher rec reviews

@pulsar pine this is not the kind of dunk you think it is

this is not understanding the (albeit extremely complicated) federal education rights and privacy act

there are some parts of FERPA that you can’t waive— like seeing the application data itself upon request

but you can choose to not do that

you also shouldnt just waive your rights away just because you think it’ll give you a slight edge in a system that’s already basically random

[wary star]

the interview isnt random

im saying admissions is a black box

there likely is no single benefit to waiving your right to read your interview

just think about it

what benefit would waiving your interview have?

they're adults who are alums

yeah but thats before submission

your teachers also know who you are

the interviewer doesn't

they already don't have nearly as many strings attached to them as a teacher does

look

if you feel like waiving the requirement will make you feel better than do it

the interviewer never has to speak to you again

so to them you're just a person they met on the street

jesus christ dude just waive the requirement

if you want a legitimate answer email admissions

ask them if there's any bearing on your application

ask them if they think you should

yeah but she got in

so who cares

i mean

when i went in to read my file

nothing really stood out except for my interview

so it's just an opportunity to reflect back i suppose

if you never want to read your file then waive it

so email admissions

although I believe there won't be any impact you can't know for sure

you'd have to run a statistical regression analysis to determine if there's any statistically significant change between waiving and not waiving your interview summary

you can never know anything for sure when it comes to admissions

i should have put a disclaimer there

i am projecting slightly

eh

trust admissions

they're generally honest

[final chasm]

Exactly

[north current]

wait does yale qb have less questions than yale on common app

[wary star]

ye

yale copied the style of some of the qb prompts

yale ported over the QB short takes and made them their own

[north current]

oh ok makes sense

[bleak prism]

hi i am taking precalc senior spring through dual enrollment due to schedule issues and i am wondering how it will look on my transcript not taking math senior fall

im applying rea here non stem

[north current]

at least you arent taking trig senior year 😭

[bleak prism]

u r?

[wary star]

you're still taking math though at some point during senior year

you might be fine (?)

[bleak prism]

yeah...but like some people are taking calc 3 and all of that other crap so i'm worried about taking that class in the spring when I am applying rea

[wary star]

that's all relative to the environments they grew up in and went to school in

realistically

the majority of the time somebody's in calc 3 it's because their parents paid for them to take a summer course or two about a math class

if you're non-STEM then it probably won't be an issue (as long as you've taken math every year before)

[bleak prism]

my course rigor though besides math is pretty good though! but my school offers up to multi but only lets kids that were accelerated in math in middle school take it. I couldn't accelerate myself in math because i switched schools and summer classes costed wayyy too much

thank you! I tried to take honors math though for all other years

[wary star]

and admissions generally understands that accelerating in a math class requires money more than it does passion or talent

[bleak prism]

yeah i was worried because its yale though

[north current]

yeah 😭

[wary star]

dw

being a non stem kid and not heavily pursuing math won't get you rejected

hollistic admissions means that there's generally not "one thing"

[bleak prism]

good to hear

[north current]

true doesn’t help that most seniors are taking calc tho

[wary star]

most seniors where?

i dont think that's true domestically

[north current]

my school

[wary star]

your school is likely in a partial bubble then

most American seniors take precalculus (iirc)

[north current]

yeah most seniors are taking calc or precalc but i ended up in a trig class

[wary star]

hey, it happens

are you STEM?

[north current]

no poli sci

[wary star]

ok then you might be okay in that regard

[bleak prism]

is history of science, medicine and public health stem or remotely stem

[wary star]

yes

you talk about the history of science

it helps to know science

not to the same degree as somebody studying bio, chem, or phys, but still

you need a solid grasp of the fundamentals

[bleak prism]

ofc-i think i'll mention 1 major interest then instead of adding that

[wary star]

but my understanding is that HSHM courses aren't considered science or QR/Math credits

lemme check coursetable

[bleak prism]

cool thanks

[wary star]

so for the 2023-2024 school year

no HSHM courses are labeled anything except WR (Writing), Hu (Humanities), or So (Social science)

https://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/subjects-of-instruction/history-of-science-medicine-public-health/

the major seems to be pretty open all things considered

[bleak prism]

ok

[wary star]

"Requirements: 7 courses in concentration (incl 2 HSHM courses, 1 sem in HSHM or HIST, 1 science course, and 3 electives); 3 addtl HSHM electives, to incl 1 sem and 1 course outside major concentration"

thats for four years

so just one science is required for the major

to graduate yale you need 2 science courses and 2 math courses (one course a semester for two semesters)

[bleak prism]

ok great and a question-how long did you spend working on your common app statement? and does yale seem to be very divided amongst socioeconomic status

[wary star]

i did qb

i spent a month drafting but i ultimately rewrote everything two nights before

my previous essay drafts didn't have a good idea to start with

and knowing what I know now they probably would have been tossed

[bleak prism]

ohh cool i have a good idea but i struggle a lot with showing how (since my essay focuses on events from my past) those events shaped what I do in my community now

its easy to write about the past lol

[wary star]

well you can't write about the future since it hasn't happened yet and the present is always shifting so i suppose the past is your only option

[bleak prism]

interesting way to think about it

as a QB student do you think that yale is divided according to socio status

i worry about going to a school where there's a lot of rich people

[wary star]

uh

you uh

[bleak prism]

not like worry worry

[wary star]

you're concerned about having too many rich people but you're applying to an ivy?!?!?

[bleak prism]

like not find belonging

[wary star]

ah

yeah

you'll find your people

[dusky tusk]

every top school will have rich nepo babies

and they will never leave

internships, jobs, etc

[dusky tusk]

this.

[wary star]

almost every kind of person is at yale

given enough time, you'll find people you genuinely enjoy to be around

maybe thjey're rich and maybe they aren't

personally, I don't like spending too much time with the socialite class at yale

they slightly disturb me

[bleak prism]

how?

[wary star]

it's hard to explain

you have to really see it for yourself

like

most of them have the ability to empathize with questbridge kids about getting a bad grade once in a while

or maybe if they've really been through the ringer getting horribly ill or losing a loved one

but the lot of them have absolutely no conception-- and thus no emotional basis-- for what day-to-day life is like for people that aren't the top 0.01% of income earners

they know things like homelessness, food insecurity, college debt, and insurance premiums are problems that most people face

but they don't have an emotional understanding of that part of life-- which I would argue is an extremely significant part of life for most Americans, including me

so I've really never been able to engage with the socialite class on any topics that aren't strictly academic

--

there are rich and uber rich people that aren't part of the socialite class and there are middle-class people that try as hard as they can to look and act like they're part of the socialite class

some of the nicest and kindest people I've met have been both poor and rich

but how they act is more important to me

[dusky tusk]

my experience is that they often look at these issues as statistics rather than realizing that real people go through it rather than just numbers on a screen

[wary star]

yep

same

[bleak prism]

thanks for telling me this!

[wary star]

np

i think it might be important to add that this is probably the case at any private elite institution -- at least in the United States

[bleak prism]

Does yale do a good job of making sure that QB students feel like they have the resources they need to succeed and belong?

[wary star]

well

[dusky tusk]

if you go to nyu or usc 😭

[haughty plank]

whats the best way to get a rich kid to take me on their boat during the summer

[wary star]

(1) be a girl
(2) be hot

or

(1) join a frat

[wary star]

this is somewhat debated on campus

yale kind of already ensures that QB kids are gonna succeed by only picking the ones they think can

yale also has an introductory summer session specifically for FGLI first years (called FSY) that is supposed to serve as a bridge between the rigor of college and the rigor (or potential lackthereof) of high school

when you're on campus there's common policies like a dean's extension that have been extended to involve mental health

and there are explicit clubs and organizations created by and for FGLI kids to better cope with Yale (esp. during their first year)

[bleak prism]

nice to know

[haughty plank]

fuck

[bleak prism]

also are there a lot of parties at yale and if so what kind of parties are more frequent? dorm parties or formal events?

[haughty plank]

i thought yale didnt have greek life? or just no recognized greek life

[wary star]

nah you might be thinking of harvard

yale has a fair amount of greek life

[haughty plank]

that might be it

[north current]

yale is a party school

[wary star]

woah hold up there

[north current]

kinda

[wary star]

we aren't a party school

[north current]

not like usc crazy

[wary star]

and not like penn crazy either

[north current]

but yale does have its fair share of parties

[haughty plank]

every school has a fair share of parties

[wary star]

yessir

[north current]

true darty, penn, and cornell are smth else

[north current]

some schools are pretty socially dead

[haughty plank]

tbf darty doesnt have anything else to do except drink and ski

[wary star]

ive heard from the people involved with the party scene that it's alright

[dusky tusk]

ppl at brown are just always high af

[wary star]

if you want party parties go to penn, usc, ucsb, or elsewhere

i mean the yale parties i've been to have been alright but I'm not a huge party person

[north current]

fr lmaoo

[wary star]

im half nerd half go outside and explore

[north current]

omg same

[wary star]

my idea of a fun weekend is going to new york, renting a citybike, and going all the way to the beach with it

[north current]

id be that one kid stands in a corner during a party

[haughty plank]

all brown univ people know are be bisexual and smoke weed

[north current]

ooh that sounds fun

[wary star]

(highly recommend; if you do this, take an e bike and be prepared to bike back because citibike hasn't installed recepticles in either bay ridge or near coney island)

i had to bike like two or three extra miles to the bike recepticle

but it was right next to the N station so it was okay

[dusky tusk]

i saw that like half their students took a survey and identified lgbtq

[haughty plank]

how do you even get to nyc from new haven? amtrak?

[north current]

ok so me minus the weed

[haughty plank]

thats real as fuck

[wary star]

amtrak or metro north

[north current]

yeah they have the new haven line

[wary star]

we have regularly scheduled commuter rail departing every hour off peak and between every 15 and 30 minutes on peak (rush hours) to and from manhattan

[haughty plank]

how is yale the gay ivy when brown exists

real question

[wary star]

idk man

i thought it was brown but it's supposedly us

[north current]

who said yale is the gay ivy 😭

[wary star]

https://yalealumnimagazine.org/articles/2494-why-they-call-yale-the-gay-ivy

'Alex Borsa ’16, president of the LGBT Co-op at Yale, put the matter concisely: “Yale is the ‘gay ivy’ — but it’s not necessarily the ‘queer ivy.’”"

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2014/02/14/the-gay-ivy-a-queer-reputation/

[haughty plank]

my tour guide mentioned it lmfao

[north current]

my tour guide just said the and not or thing

[wary star]

are you on campus!??!

[haughty plank]

i was this summer

[wary star]

ok

[haughty plank]

unfortunately i liked it

[wary star]

hehe unfortunately

[north current]

ooh what were you there for

[haughty plank]

instead of a vacation i went on like a college tour trip

[north current]

ahh yeah ik lots of ppl that did that

i did a summer program at yale

[haughty plank]

now i gotta give them 80 bucks though. smh

[north current]

i also unfortunately have fallen in love with yale

[haughty plank]

no literally its so sad bc now im delulu

[north current]

nah fr

doesn’t help that my counselor keeps saying ill get in cuz the summer program is a boost or smth 😭

[haughty plank]

might be a good thing if i got denied REA, i can't be trusted with a campus shake shack ill spend too much money

[wary star]

summer program?

yygs?

[north current]

yeah

[wary star]

bro almost nobody gets denied REA

it's always* a deferral

- (usually)

[haughty plank]

watch me

[north current]

i spent more money at yorkside pizza 😭

and ashleys ice cream

[wary star]

bro ashleys

nmm

now i want ice cream

[north current]

have you been to arethusa

its also good

[wary star]

yeah

they're really good too

[haughty plank]

why is "being biracial" on the yale disability services website 😭

[north current]

💀

[wary star]

maybe it's on every page on the student services site?

idk

[haughty plank]

I only see it on the front page

[wary star]

oop

[haughty plank]

these supps are gonna kick my ass

the only one i actually have an idea for is the why yale lmfao

[north current]

i have a vague idea for why yale but why is it so short

[wary star]

because it doesn't need to be long

like sure

you mention the residential college system

a course and a prof

the sense of community

and the freedom to take whatever because of distributionals

[north current]

yeah i just have to figure out how to condense everything i like about yale

[wary star]

i guarantee that you will feel tacit or mediocre about at least one of those if and when you arrive

[cosmic geyser]

nancy ✨

[cloud forum]

didnt this change last admissions cycle though cuz like only 20% got deferred iirc

[wary star]

shit you right

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/02/07/in-trend-reversal-yale-now-rejects-more-early-applicants-than-it-defers/

[low helm]

WHAT WHY

[north current]

😭

[dense holly]

nuh uh

[final chasm]

THATS BETTER TBH

[river osprey]

it’s always better for the student if schools reject 70+% early

u don’t get another full read in RD if you’re deferred anyway

[bleak prism]

that is a good thing i think. it's not good to defer everybody

[quaint fable]

mit

[vale lake]

yeah

[dense holly]

I’d rather them let me be delulu

[cloud forum]

yeah definitely, i was just clarifying in case ppl got confused with data from a couple years ago

[cloud forum]

i heard yygs has a decent boost for yale rea can anyone confirm or deny this

[wary star]

it has no impact

who did you hear this from?

[cloud forum]

no sure who exactly but im p sure it was prefrosh yygs alums

[wary star]

ok

i had a source a bit ago from admissions directly saying that they don't care about whether an applicant did yygs

[cloud forum]

oh okay thanks

at least its not a decrease LOL

some ppl said that aswell

[north current]

nope

i asked a yale ao during yygs

it has no impact

[bleak prism]

i thought i was set on applying rea here

buttt now i'm thinking more abt it

anyone else?

[wary star]

I mean REA is alright

[bleak prism]

it's such a big decision

[wary star]

I mean Yale** REA won’t provide you a statistically significant benefit over RD

sorry my dad was talking about Princeton

[bleak prism]

yeah, i am aware

i mainly just want an earlier decision

but a question: does yale allow the ability to take classes in it's graduate schools? like the school of public health for example

do they allow you to do this as a freshman?

[bleak prism]

anyone applying to yale early it might be helpful to know yale doesn't let you apply early to private schools for scholarship consideration

[wary star]

Yes

You have to petition the graduate school but I’ve heard of people taking those courses

[wary star]

No this is actually a really good reason not to do Yale REA

[teal tusk]

Even usc?

[bleak prism]

Yeah

[cloud forum]

apparently stanford lets u rea and ea to usc

i wish yale was like that

[haughty plank]

whoever decided that "Why Yale" should be 125 words needs to go to jail

[wary star]

I thought about upvoting that for a second

[final chasm]

Same tbh

[vale lake]

yail

honeslty i spent four years in jandil im prepared for the postgrad scene

[dense holly]

I’m ngl I prefer shorter supps

250 words leaves too much room for indecision..

[haughty plank]

see me personally i love talking

[final chasm]

Real

[vale lake]

"here at yail we emphasize and over or. you can get an education AND the public can be kept safe from you!"

[vale lake]

💯

[quaint fable]

now gonna call my yale rejection a yailure thx

[wary star]

why

please

this trend should not grow past yauge, yuttle, and yandle

[quaint fable]

you cannot stop the yalementum

[vale lake]

ive never heard of yauge and yuttle

hmm

[north current]

ik the yuttle is the campus shuttle

[teal tusk]

Ummm, does Yale accept junior transferees? There is no option for it in scoir

[wary star]

I’ll check but my understanding is yes

may very well be wrong

so you have to apply sophomore year to be able to transfer in during junior

https://admissions.yale.edu/transfer

[teal tusk]

Since I'm a sophomore already, would that mean I can't apply for junior anymore?

[wary star]

you’d have to apply like now ish

I’ll get the dates rn

[teal tusk]

That's my problem, I can't find the application in scoir. And I can't open my account on commonapp rn to see if it's there

[cosmic geyser]

what

[wary star]

just out of curiosity, would you be transferring from a four year or a CC?

[teal tusk]

what is a cc?

[wary star]

community college

[teal tusk]

former

[wary star]

oh you’re international

[teal tusk]

yup

[wary star]

community colleges are generally two-year post-secondary schools in the US

[cosmic geyser]

would it be cliche if i mentioned stuff like the res college system, an interesting course, club etc.

[wary star]

they’re funded primarily by local and state taxes

and they give associate degrees

[wary star]

it’s cliche but like everybody does it

and it’s not lying

[cosmic geyser]

i feel like a general format like this is what lots of applicants do so how would u make ur essay unique

[wary star]

I don’t know if there’s a unique why yale

the uniqueness comes from everywhere else in the app

[cosmic geyser]

125 words for why yale 😭

[wary star]

a sentence on residential colleges and maybe the dining halls is ~15-20 words max

[cosmic geyser]

also the amt of essays yale requires is insane btw

[wary star]

it’s basically the Questbridge app

I only had to write the 125 word why Yale

IIRC

But I had to do short take style essays earlier

[cosmic geyser]

do you know by any chance why yale has so many supps at least compared to other colleges?

[wary star]

those were all due in September for me

[cosmic geyser]

i never thought of it that way

[wary star]

long story short there’s three ways to apply@to Yale rd

Common app

coalition

and Questbridge

common app and coalition share the same supplementals

the Questbridge app is actually almost completely different in what it asks applicants for generally

to apply QB, you have to submit a 850 word personal statement, a 500 word topical essay (major or EC related), two 150-200 word essays (one about meeting a historical figure and another about something you’re proud of), and a set of 35-word short takes

that’s all due September and is sent to every school

Yale saw the short takes and went “yeah, let’s use these”

so when I ultimately applied to Yale, I only had to write the why Yale supp

because I did everything else as part of my primary app in September

[dense holly]

https://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/cds_yale_2022-2023_vf_07142023.pdf

[north current]

gracie is out here doing the lords work

[dense holly]

🙏

[wary star]

if you also look at https://applyingto.college every school has a CDS listed

[dense holly]

alkie stole my job

[wary star]

yes.

[dense holly]

fine. be a mod then

see if i care 🤬 !!!

[north current]

yale ao coming to my school tmmrw

wish me luck

[dense holly]

https://tenor.com/view/never-have-i-ever-sourav-sarkar-gif-22132796

Don’t pull a Devi

[teal tusk]

Oh god

If I was her AO she would have been an Autoreject

[vale lake]

what did she do

[north current]

cut the line, rambled on about herself, made the AO think she was rude and then proceeded to beg the AO for a second chance

idk how princeton let her in after that lmaoo

[vale lake]

average rich kid

[north current]

she got deferred

and then she wrote her LOCI about her dead dad wanting her to go to princeton

and got in

[wary star]

this is INSANE

[north current]

yeah the entire show was unrealistic and so weird about college apps

girl applied to all 8 ivies and called it a day

no safeties nothing

[wary star]

tv moment

[teal tusk]

Devi also returned her AO’s wallet to her in the AO’s hotel room by stalking the AO after Devi’s ex swiped it 💀

And the AO was like chill like wth

[north current]

id blacklist the whole school lmaoo

[north current]

so according to the Yale AO, yale doesn’t reevaluate your gpa

they take it as it is and just compare it to ur school profile

[icy fog]

damn i'm really not making it outta the hood with my freshie year 3.6

[cosmic geyser]

Lmao I don’t think they got the time to do that

[north current]

yeah plus she basically admitted to them chucking out apps that are below a 3.6ish gpa

like she said they dont even bother to look at them

[vale lake]

damn 💀

[north current]

yeah she said that they dont even have time to consider those people

also she said that they almost always contact ur counselor if theyre considering u and u have a lot of school-based activities

so do talk to ur counselor about ur life lmaoo

[graceful badge]

Contact counselor for what?

[north current]

to verify ur app info

[graceful badge]

What if my school counselor doesnt check his emails very often

[north current]

they usually call them up

[graceful badge]

Call them?

Intl ppl too?

[north current]

idk

[cosmic geyser]

Woah

Below 3.6

[river osprey]

tbh if you can't get an overall 3.6 hs gpa unless you're at a grade deflation hs you're probably not ready for yale lol

[cosmic geyser]

they get too many apps lol

[opal dragon]

damn so covid year would just screw me over

yeah thank god im not considering yale

[cosmic geyser]

is it a cumulative gpa of 3.6 or 3.6 each year

[north current]

cumulative

[teal tusk]

This is true for any ivy/t20

Unless u have a good reasoning

[north current]

yeah makes sense they want academic achievers in a sense

[opal dragon]

i am acedemically achieving

its just that i was about to ||kill myself|| freshman year

[north current]

if u fail to show them that u can succeed in hs theyll doubt u can in college

[opal dragon]

bc it was covid

[teal tusk]

Then just explain that

Theres a whole section about how covid affected you

[north current]

explain covid but due realize a lot of people are in the same boat as you

covid affected everyone

[opal dragon]

not applying to yale anyway, i have other choices for cs/eng

[opal dragon]

my grades took a nosedive though

still have around a 3.7 uw rn

[north current]

thats fine

just explain it

[opal dragon]

but i would have probably had a 3.8 or 3.9 if covid didnt happen

[north current]

she literally said that a lot of schools she reads dont even have grades so they know how to actually evaluate u

[teal tusk]

what about weighted

[opal dragon]

4.3 ish

[teal tusk]

ur fine

[opal dragon]

ok i was about to say not too high 😭

cause ik people who have like 4.5 or 4.6 so

[teal tusk]

I have a 4.43

which is p good i think

[cosmic geyser]

yoooo stars comes out soon

[teal tusk]

yes

[cosmic geyser]

im legit scared

[opal dragon]

wrong chat

[cosmic geyser]

i have a 4.7

[opal dragon]

death

[cosmic geyser]

if were talking abt gpa

[opal dragon]

agony

[teal tusk]

girl have u been taking aps since u were a freshman?

[cosmic geyser]

no i do de 💀

and honors

[teal tusk]

De since u were a freshman?

[cosmic geyser]

we only have 5 aps and i took 2

[cosmic geyser]

no sophomore summer

but idk my school has a weird calc system

[cosmic geyser]

relax my uw is lower

[opal dragon]

lmao sorry im stressing over this pretty badly

because as much as i have safeties and targets i would not be satisfied with any of them

[teal tusk]

My w and uw are good for every school i think, so my main issue is my math knowledge

because of how my school lacks math education

[cosmic geyser]

bro relax just get precalc down

and ur fine

[cosmic geyser]

wow u gotta make a new list

[teal tusk]

My advisor told me to submit and explain my schools lack of math

[opal dragon]

its not the list

[cosmic geyser]

my targets are amazing

idk if i would put wellesley as a target bc fly in

but other than that i have umd, macalester, gwu and uw-madison

man some targets have pretty good reps

the only way u can truly have vengence is to be happy with where ur going

even its a safety or target

[opal dragon]

i think rn my non reaches are uw madison and osu

maybe purdue if you can count it as that

[cosmic geyser]

lol

[opal dragon]

might add umass though

idk

wrong chat though

[cosmic geyser]

umd might be a safety but their acc rate is 50 percent

[cosmic geyser]

if ur oos dont count on aid

[opal dragon]

im not getting aid anyway

cornell is giving me no aid

(according to npc)

my instate is giving me no aid, also according to npc

[teal tusk]

Instates dont usually give aid

if theyre public

Atleast here they dont

normally theres just merit scholarships at them

[opal dragon]

yeah everything on my list is exepnsive af

[cosmic geyser]

bruh if that was me id not apply 😭

thats so crazy i hope u can afford

[opal dragon]

i cant

ill tell you in cornell thread

[wary star]

rich moment (?)

[opal dragon]

not really, just parents own a lot of assets

i have absolutely no way of paying full price

[tulip raptor]

what

[wary star]

elon musk is bankrupt on paper yet is wealthy due to his assets

[tulip raptor]

Bro just said not really rich, but rich

[wary star]

if tesla stock craters he loses a solid 10% of his wealth instantly

[opal dragon]

ok i still have no way of paying and ill probably have to forget about everything private 💀

[north current]

thats still fine

ur instate should still provide a quality affordable education

[opal dragon]

my instate is also ironically pretty expensive

[north current]

what school?

[opal dragon]

uiuc

[north current]

are u applying for cs?

[opal dragon]

+x but yeah

id pretty much have to pay highest available

[north current]

wbt uic

[opal dragon]

i mean i can

atm im not applying there

[north current]

isnt instate there like only 18k

thats still affordable plus lots of opportunities in chicago

[opal dragon]

its possible but not very high

im fine with going around 20-30k a year but 80-90k for private unis is too much

[final chasm]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fQTEWQenJpg?si=9L3G4ULHv8Eekk-h

[wary star]

this is slightly uh

not entirely true?

the incident happened in 2002 and the guy gives no context to when, where, or how this happened

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2002/07/26/fbi-to-investigate-princeton-admissions-hacking-incident/

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2002/09/04/princeton-admissions-hacking-incident-resolved/

the youtube short makes the situation seem as if this was an institutional effort on behalf of the princeton admissions office

but the context provided in the articles in the YDN make the situation seem like an individual effort by a princeton communications officer to look up specific names they knew

"Among the applicants whose results were accessed were Lauren Bush, a niece of President George W. Bush, and Ara Parseghian, a relative of the legendary Notre Dame football coach of the same name."

According to CNN, "Information on 11 applicants was accessed during 18 unauthorized log-ins to the site by Princeton officials, a Yale official told CNN. The log-ins were traced to computers in Princeton's admissions office."

https://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/25/yale.princeton/index.html

[final chasm]

Alkie saves the day again

[delicate jolt]

Yale

[delicate jolt]

Do I submit a 33 ACT to Yale?

[north current]

its their 25th percantile so sure

[delicate jolt]

What would it look like if I did tet-optional

[north current]

they usually wont care but they prob think its lower

[delicate jolt]

How hard do you think it is to get into Yale with a 33? @north current

[north current]

well a 33 wont make or break ur app

its holistic so they look at everything

[delicate jolt]

So my aforementioned EC's would kinda make up for it?

[north current]

kinda-ish

[delicate jolt]

Did you read mine

[north current]

no

[delicate jolt]

o

[north current]

just dm it if u want

[wary star]

I think the difference between a 33 and a 35 isn’t substantial enough to make admission go from easy to hard

maybe it’ll make some difference but I’d doubt if it would be significant

test scores are test scores

[north current]

im struggling tryna write things for my why yale essay without going way over the limit

[delicate jolt]

Have you tried writing it all the way through then going back and rewording

That’s how I got my MIT Essay (250 max) to 250 down from 580

[north current]

yh im doing that right now

i have so many niche things i love about yale tho

[delicate jolt]

Yuh ik it’s hard to be limited on your dream school

I’d just try your best to write something good not too much over the limit and then maybe getting an outside person to trim it

[bleak prism]

I haven’t even started my supps 😭 life is too busy

[north current]

i decided to start it since im def ranking yale

[bleak prism]

I’m just starting now since the rea deadline is in November

Wayyy too much that I want to mention

It’s hard writing these essays

[north current]

yh 125 words sucks

[bleak prism]

who's applying rea here?

[north current]

im doing qb

[dense holly]

I am

[topaz peak]

I stg I’m not going to decide if I’m reaing Yale or Harvard until November 1st

I keep making pro con lists and getting absolutely nowhere

[delicate jolt]

don't quote me

but I think harvard has the better REA statistics

[north current]

yh it does

[cosmic geyser]

u going test opt or nah

[delicate jolt]

I'm the 33 not him

I think

[north current]

yep

[cosmic geyser]

ah

[north current]

i have a 1220 i kinda have to

[delicate jolt]

[cosmic geyser]

retakes?

[cosmic geyser]

you could try the act

[north current]

i didnt bother to take it

[delicate jolt]

@cosmic geyser what you got on ACT?

[north current]

maybe

but all the act testing centers are far

[cosmic geyser]

32

[delicate jolt]

😮

That's not bad

Math score?

[cosmic geyser]

uhm 35

[delicate jolt]

oh not bad

infact it's great

Which one is your hurting subject?

[bleak prism]

good luck! I am too

[north current]

why major kinda done

[delicate jolt]

?

[north current]

the why major essay

[delicate jolt]

I haven't looked at any of my colleges other than MIT and UVA (submitted UVA)

[river osprey]

just happened to see this

but harvard rea is probably the worst idea in college admissions

you don't get in unless you are hooked

and remember rea statistics are a terrible way to select an early due to the fact that there's a lot of guaranteed admits in the rea pool that mess up the stats

[chilly thunder]

don't rea for an admissions boost

only rea if you're 100% sure it's your first choice school by far

[river osprey]

i think a better rule would be “REA somewhere that is advantageous to you in any way other than acceptance rate”

like my strategy was to REA a place that deferred very little, so that the admissions decision could inform whether my app needed fixing

[delicate jolt]

That's a weird strategy

Like

Confusion

I'm EAing to the college I really want to go to (MIT doesn't have REA/ED so I'm not doing either to any other college)

[river osprey]

it’s not weird, it’s rather common

REAing to your favorite school is of course the best option

outside of harvard, if harvard is ur fave school still dont rea

but REAing strategies are certainly valid, just don’t base them off of acceptance rates

like deferral rates are a good metric, also ED strategies are much more nuanced

[river osprey]

EAing your favorite school is good so good for you but i have my own speculations on how MIT admits from each pool and the strategies that follow from that

[vale lake]

uh

spell

spill*

[delicate jolt]

Inform me

[final chasm]

What schools defer the least for REA

[icy fog]

mit is my best shot at a t10 so i will intentionally avoid ea mit so that i wont get tilted if i dont get in 👍

[wary star]

just curious

what is this logic

[icy fog]

my mental is really really bad

like if i dont get mit ik that ill panic hard and not be as productive for my essays and stress until rd

[wary star]

ok

there is nothing I can say to convince you about anything so I will not.

have a nice day

[delicate jolt]

Lol man went 0-100

[icy fog]

yes i am delusional and believe i'm better than i probably am 😭

i missed an actual 90% chance by half a problem on usamo sooo id like to believe im at least far more optimized for mit than other top schools

[wary star]

I have learned in life that there are battles you can fight but that will go nowhere and that will be a waste of energy

[haughty plank]

real as fuck

[wary star]

Nothing I say or do can or will convince swag to change their mindset (even the tiniest amount) about MIT, because their stance isn’t a logical one: it’s an emotional one

they likely attach some of their self worth and perception of their own intelligence to getting into MIT (don’t we all?) but see a rejection as a complete condemnation of their abilities

[icy fog]

no

[wary star]

ok

[icy fog]

its just that an rejection is a bad sign

[wary star]

then what is the issue

[icy fog]

for other schools

because mit values my awards more from empirical data

[wary star]

ok then

What’s the goal?

[icy fog]

also mit isn't really my top choice lol

[icy fog]

idrk tbh

[teal tusk]

Bro what

[icy fog]

ur right that i have a very emotional stance

[north current]

everytime i log onto a2c i lose braincells

[wary star]

is the goal safety and security in your life?

[icy fog]

i just want to get it over with

[teal tusk]

Real asf

[wary star]

is it wealth?

[teal tusk]

Then apply early?

[wary star]

is it happiness?

what do you want?

[icy fog]

the college app process as a whole

[haughty plank]

the goal should be to rub it in EVERYONES face. make sure you mention your SAT score and college acceptances in every conversation you have

[icy fog]

i don't rlly know but i care too much abt making my family proud

[wary star]

some people do believe this wholeheartedly though

[wary star]

so let’s say you become the next Oppenheimer

you build a super weapon and it goes on to have an extremely complicated legacy

[haughty plank]

going around the room and saying your sat composite during ice breakers

[wary star]

what matters more: the fact that you did it at an Ivy League-level school or that you did it?

[north current]

ik ppl that do this irl

[wary star]

genuinely curious

[haughty plank]

hi my name is aric, my pronouns are he/him and my sat score was a 1590

[icy fog]

the fact that u did it

[haughty plank]

this is why im glad i live in a normal people area

[north current]

ppl ik have introduced themselves in that way

[wary star]

ok then

sorry, I’m just trying to understand

[north current]

i only met ppl like this at a summer program at yale

[wary star]

I didn’t intend for that question to have a “correct answer”

[north current]

most ppl ik are normal asf

[wary star]

YYGS is wack

[north current]

IT IS

[haughty plank]

okay that makes sense

[icy fog]

its fine, ik i'm in an unhealthy state and mindset, its just that the stress has been building up for 3 years for me and it's at the highest point now

[teal tusk]

There’s people who make yt videos on their yygs application and how to get in

[wary star]

are you able to talk to a professional

also I have to ask

[north current]

like the same girl who went around telling ppl her sat score was a 1570 and act was a 36, was the same one who thought everyone owns at least one yacht

[icy fog]

i'm fine, i'm managing things

[wary star]

do you want to get in because doing so would make your parents happy and/or stop them from pushing their ideals onto you since you achieved them?

[north current]

ik i saw this one aussie girl make one

[teal tusk]

It’s actually insane

[icy fog]

mainly the 1st? ik the 2nd is unattainable

[wary star]

maybe I put too much value on Independence and individuality

[north current]

bro i saw her video and felt like my app was garbage 😭

but i got in anyways so wtv

[wary star]

but I feel that a sizable amount of A2C (and elite college applicants writ large) apply because they want to satisfy their parents

[icy fog]

yea its so easy to just tell ppl to not care abt what others think

[teal tusk]

W

[wary star]

because people generally don’t have fleshed out desires or goals at 17/18

[haughty plank]

see this is so foreign to me, im glad i have good parents

[north current]

i mostly just want the aid and opportunities

[wary star]

kinda same

[haughty plank]

i just do it for my ego

[vale lake]

same fr

[north current]

my parents are happy as long as im happy

[icy fog]

valid ngl

[wary star]

I feel like this perspective (not saying yours) also generally grows out from parents

because if you’re doing it to satisfy your ego

[haughty plank]

my parents want me to go to OSU lmfao

[wary star]

who taught you that getting into an elite college would do that?

[haughty plank]

go buckeyes baby

[wary star]

in your case it probably wasn’t your parents then

[haughty plank]

the hat man who appeared in my dreams after i took 20 benadryl

[wary star]

but I know a lot of people from my HS who applied to an elite school solely to satisfy their parents and to alleviate anxieties they have about the future

[north current]

mine want me to go to queens college so i can be close to home

[wary star]

and— I believe—those two groups make up >50% of A2Cers

[vale lake]

honestly i apply to top schools so i can be in a place where i'm near the bottom of the class

[icy fog]

its just a guess, tbh we always look for excuses to change our mindsets (like "i will be more social once u go to college")

[vale lake]

i say that but i genuinely will

cause hs is a prison camp

[north current]

i mean i will be honest and say that a tiny part of me wants to satisfy me ego but im mostly applying bcuz of aid, genuine interest, and opportunities

[icy fog]

not to say you cant do it

[wary star]

because why spend so much of your time on a forum dedicated to college admissions (and by extension the anxieties surrounding admissions) if you have things you enjoy doing more?

[icy fog]

just that its hard to start near the end of hs

[haughty plank]

like 90% of the reason I want to go to a "better" school is that politics pays like shit

[wary star]

I believe it’s probably because a lot of A2Cers are hounded by their parents about college admissions so much they can’t escape it

I think everybody is to a point

[delicate jolt]

MIT is my top choice because of the community there lol

[haughty plank]

the avg salary for poli sci out of my state school is like 45k whereas its closer to 90k for dartmouth. like an insane difference

[north current]

ONG like a cuny poli sci major is not making it on the hill lmaoo

[wary star]

bro what about aoc

[haughty plank]

the DoE college scoreboard is my favorite thing in existance

[wary star]

biden went to Delaware

[north current]

shes just aoc my guy

[icy fog]

isolated examples don't prove a point

[north current]

but yh it was an exaggeration tho

[haughty plank]

you can get a hillternship if you work for the rep that your college is under usually

[wary star]

the statement was that “you won’t get anywhere on the hill without an ivy degree”

that is a catch all

[icy fog]

oh

well it's harder

[wary star]

providing any counter examples proves the statement is false

[icy fog]

that was yea

an exaggerated claim

[north current]

yh ik i was being sarcastic but yh it does get harder

[wary star]

I also reject the more general claim that having an ivy degree can be the difference between being elected and not being elected

[north current]

oh 100% false

[wary star]

I think we have a large body of anti elite sentiment going through the country

[haughty plank]

depends on who you want to work for as well.

far left wants more state schools, median left/right has more ivy league, far right often hates ivy league

[wary star]

also politics rule lol

[north current]

most politicians i work with went to cuny/suny schools

[haughty plank]

your chances of working for someone is much greater if you went to the same college lol

[wary star]

I also don’t think you can boil it down to that

I think the electorate is both simpler and more complicated than that

[haughty plank]

not entirely, but 75% of politics is getting your foot in the door its often one of the first things they see on a resume

[teal tusk]

I coincidentally met someone from my county who is someone huge’s CoS and she went to cal poly slo

[north current]

im honestly not too picky about undergrad but i really wanna break it into big law so unfortunately prestige does matter for law school

[teal tusk]

I think you guys overestimate the number of people on the hill that went to big schools

[haughty plank]

american u probably makes up a solid like 15% LMFAO

[teal tusk]

Because when I was emailing everyone and their CoS, most people did not go to big schools and would go to state schools and all

[north current]

yep my state senator went to bing and one of my city council reps went to john jay

[haughty plank]

it really just depends what you want to do in politics

[delicate jolt]

My state senator went to a tabernacle school

[haughty plank]

my state senator went to jail.

he was elected again by a larger margin, god bless rural ohio

[teal tusk]

Idk when I was stalking the cos, I didn’t see a single person from American but I have no doubt they send a ton to the hill

[north current]

the CoS of one of my district assembly members went to CC then transferred to NYU and went to Harvard Law

[teal tusk]

Dang

[north current]

they def send a lot

gtown, american, and gw spit out hill interns

[haughty plank]

i think thats like the entire reason people apply to american lol

[north current]

i was gonna apply but the campus and culture is so weird

[haughty plank]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[north current]

now im discouraged

[north current]

what website is that

[haughty plank]

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

[haughty plank]

I liked the campus but yeah american is just the spot where rich kids who didn't get into georgetown go

nevertheless i will be applying

[warped merlin]

I can't believe this is a thing 💀

[bleak prism]

how many people does yale defer during ea

[wary star]

the wonderful thing about the internet is that you can google and verify numbers

“In the most recent early application cycle, which admitted members of the class of 2027, 67 percent of the 7,744 applicants were rejected, while 21 percent were deferred and ten percent were accepted. “ - YDN

[bleak prism]

ohh i didnt even remember to google i thought yale didn't release that information

💀

[wary star]

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/02/07/in-trend-reversal-yale-now-rejects-more-early-applicants-than-it-defers/

[wary star]

dw about it

[bleak prism]

yikes trend reversal, im scared

[wary star]

if you were rejected early you were probably gonna be rejected rd

so it’s not like your initial “chances” (even though they can’t be objectively measured) change depending on if you apply REA or RD

unless your ECs change; I’d assume people who could have an admissions decision change because of a single EC change would be deferred instead of rejected

-- a QB Match deferred -> accepted kid

[bleak prism]

oh ok cool.

[river osprey]

lmao why is this bad

less deferrals are always better

ofc 0 deferrals is not good but a small percentage like 10% is a good deferral percentage

any less or more and being deferred is either too rare to tell you something about your app or too common to tell you something about your app

[bleak prism]

but like i am less likely to get defferred and more likely to be rejected

[river osprey]

good

[bleak prism]

i don't wanna be rejected 😦

but i agree in a sense

[river osprey]

hmm ig we disagree

i'd rather be rejected

i had about 6 deferrals? last cycle

very frustrating

[bleak prism]

oh that's annoying

[delicate jolt]

I’d rather be rejected than deferred

[bleak prism]

i understand then

[river osprey]

did not end up getting into any funnily enough

[delicate jolt]

If I get deferred it’s like my app was good but not good enough

[bleak prism]

but it still would be hard to be rejected tho especially because yale is one of my top choices

how long did it take you to write the supplements? @river osprey

[river osprey]

mentally it is tough i agree but waiting another 3 months is tougher

[river osprey]

lmao 3 days?

[cosmic geyser]

so many supps 😦

[cosmic geyser]

fr????

[river osprey]

i pulled 3 3am nights in a row and did them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

don't copy me

actually plan your supps out

[cosmic geyser]

it worked for u lmao

[river osprey]

it shouldn't have

:kekwdoge

[bleak prism]

3 days bffr

thank you for this

[river osprey]

i shouldve said 30 days tbh

[bleak prism]

im stressed because im just now writing my early action supplements

haha

[river osprey]

make yall stop procrastinating

[bleak prism]

ikr

[river osprey]

smhmh go do those essays and get off discord lol