#Northeastern University (2023-2024)
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oh
And you’re still creating 8 bits and then putting it in 16 bits so in total you’re using 24
So you’re still using more memory
That’s why I really wanna learn c to understand more about memory allocation / manipulation
At northeastern the class is operating systems
ooh ok
is that class in C?
cause I still wonder why fundies 1 is starting in racket 💀
C unix and assembly
awesome
💀
Don’t they reach kotlin?
Teach
not really sure
that maye be in the concentration swe
I thought it was fundies 1
maybe Im not to ofamiliar
if you are a CS major genuinely zeroing in on swe during undergrad in this job market you are stupid af
Hopefully I can get out of fundies 1&2 discrete structures and ood
What concentration are you gonna pick
that would be nice
Systems
based
Oh so like backend stuff
i mean that lets u sysadmin
Assembly is heldl
which is immediately better than SWE
I wanna make one tbh
ik assembly sucks
Do they have a ml concentration
assembly is awesome
uhhhh
💀
u might be the first person ive ever seen to say that
this maybe comes from playing a lot of shenzhen io and doing a lot of reverse engineering
but it's actually cool once u know what ur doing
You have fun in that big bro 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I will <3
altho idk whos hiring for that
security research maybe but like not sure i wanna do that full time
Bro that’s so stupid 😞
concentration
so cybersecurity?
You get different fundies classes depending on your concentration?
a subset of it, yes
ah ok
no
everyone gets fundies 1 and 2
u can be in cybersec and do like policy
they're like weed out classes
lmao
Unlucky I’ll prob have to take both
is ok
I think I’ll just grind leetcode and personal projects then first two semesters
join me in the racket pain for fundies 1
thats my plan
leetcode i may slowly do it once I get more familiar with DSA
I looked at a fundies 2 GitHub and it was all basic Java stuff
wait fr
This is what happens when schools arent strict enough about transfers into CS
Yeah it’s all posted
can u link to me
Am I allowed to do that here
Do yk neetcode
if u want dm me
From YouTube
actually maybe weeder courses are fine
I friended you but you never added me back 😞
I dont check my notif friend request lmao
it gets rid of the braindead applicants who dont actually wanna do it
theres too many
I think imma buy the neetcode subscription thing this summer
Popular guy
it just accumulated over the years 💀
Hopefully I’ll have like 100 problems completed by the end of the summer
But I suggest doing that
are u already familiar with algorithms
or u just gonna learn through rpacticing leet
Im taking dsa rn
ooh ok
Ik stuff like selection sort binary sort insertion sort
I’m learning the data structure right now
senior
Arrays arraylists linkedlists stacks queues
what yr are u
Im boutta be a leetcode hero🙏🏽
did u do that linkedlist pointer one
lmfao
reverse the linked list
I think I can do it
I usually focus on array leetcode
Arrays and hashmaps
thats good start
Yeah I really wanna learn python tho
Java is so limited
That’s why I wanna buy the neetcode thing
python is not a thing u need to learn]
it can be annoying
it's just syntax
yea
Idk any syntax or methods
and it's a scripting language with like 10 trillion "features" shoehorned in
so u can do whatever the fuck u want
super high level fr
leetcode with python not greatest idea
Everyone does leetcode in python
well depends
python is simple
idk how interviews deal with time and all that
Time complexity is the same in all languages
but tbh who gives a fuck about time complexity if you're in python, it's gonna run like shit regardless
yeah ik
You just needa be able to explain how fast your program will run and hoe@much new memory it’ll allocate
So time complexity and space complexity
Oh yeah
for the fundie 2 java
Did you accept
ya
Aight one sec
"When in doubt, throw a hashmap at it"
just do sql
my mom saying she’ll pay for college at the same time my dad said he’s worried about how he’ll pay
CAN WE COMMUNICATE??
💀
😭😭😭😭
for rd mid march
😭
nuin location selection opens tmrw
no
they sent me a fee-waiver so I applied
I don't know about OSU, but if your going into something competitive then NEU might be a better bet than other schools for job placement because of the co-ops
The majority of fresh CS grads from my state school are working in other fields because they just can't get a job and I feel like this is less of a problem at a school like NEU
why do you have to make a deposit to select a location
all the good ones are gonna be taken 😦
Northeastern is money hungry
(I have no idea what your talking about)
nu.in program selection
have to commit to select a location
locations are on a first come first serve basis
didn’t ask that 💀
Prolly so ppl who actually wanted to do the program get what they want
And randos who got in who dont rly wanna do it dont take up their spot
Also money
thank u this makes a lotta sense
i think i was just intrinsically waiting for someone to agree w my dumbass decision choosing neu even w all that money😭😭
What major are you?
that is my only reason
bus marketing
so ur saying first u acc wanna go to neu and second that because you got a fee waiver you want to go to NEU
i don’t think u read my question?
interesting all these reasons ppl listed so far were known to me b4, but is that it
When would rd decision drop for neu?
I'd actually be interested in going to NEU, because of the location and co-op, but the reason I applied was because of the feewaiver
I read your question I was just being a little silly with my answer
ok so if I put my nuin deposit
and decide to go elsewhere later
is there anything they’ll do to stop me besides not refunding
I want to secure my spot in the one I want to go but what if a good UC somehow on the 1% chance lets me in
the way i will be in a meeting during that time


No meena
They just answer live wuestions that come in
During thst time
Weym
U can always check later its through insta stories 💀
Its those ask me anything quesiton stories
which uc?
anything not Santa Cruz Merced riverside
did you apply to all?
Not Merced
oh
honestly unless you get berkley or la id just go to northeastern
depending on costs and everything of course
even if I’m in state lol
“Hey what if I commit to ur school then get into a school I like more can I just withdraw”
berkeley la or neu for business?
usc ucla and berkeley last hopes before i commit to neu
just wait
i dont think berkely is a target for business
business it actually matters what school you go to
wym
It definitely is
Haas 💀
lmaoooo
semi target for ib
business is a massive field lmao
ur speaking mostly for just high finance
which is a niche in finance let alone business too
even for high finance berkley is fine
not as good as NYU Stern or something, but that is entirely location based
semi
yeah its probably bcos cali but still
that matters
whens the deposit deadline
for nuin location selection opens tonight
is that the deadline?
no
then just wait till rds
locations r first come first serve
make a decision
is it too late to send in non required materials on their portal
Just send it wont hurt
I updated my application around 2 weeks before decisions came out and they were ok
U could call them just to confirm
W
I submitted the SRAR 20 days after the deadline
ima email them
DAMn
aight thats good to know lmao
Yea I updated srar too
actually might have been more than that
I made ap csa ap cs advanced 💀💀
i never updated mine
26 days
is that fine
Thats ok
my mid year report was sent sooo
If u have nothing to add
Then dont need to
Call them instead of emailing imo
Cause idk about mid year report and srar update
Its faster
Sure
not about that
its about additional essay
Srar is just easier for them to look ig but they’ll orob see that
i was gonna do it like weeks ago
but never had the chance to email them
cus im a dumbass
ye i most def will
also do yk if neu cares a lot about rank
like as much as gpa/rigor
I coudn't complete the srar, because I got stuck on the grading scale question
Not too sure but they just compare u mostly to ur peers in general
damn
my gpa is good and rigor too but
They check ur school prpfile compared to u
my class is v competitive this year
but then I realized I could just select something random for that and fill in pass/fail afterwards
If ur gpa and rigor is good ur fine they’ll see
my sat is like 150+ points above average
Yes this work
yes but im not top 10%
NEU has never denied an applicant from my school
Check their cds
wild
ppl with my gpa got into neu
Then thats good
and nyu, but stern rejected me sooooo
Stern is very difficult
Like 7 people have applied to NEU in the history of my school
true but i was ed
7/7 is crazy tho
Rip its still one of the mot and probably most competiive school in nyu
We are 4/4 for harvard as well tho
Oh thats why
wtf holy
Wtf
No I actually go to the least cracked school
Nah still cracked
That’s impressive
My school is falling off
The ivy acceptances has went from 10 a ywar to now 1 in 5 years
My school is like 40 years old and only 10 people or so have applied to college
i still cant believe the UVA one tho
This may be long time ago
Just make sure its recent
Oh perhaps thats why its sort of less competitve in a way
bro had to be D1 + olympic medalist
Yea but also weighted gpa 3.9
a lil low for stanny bu
Might be sport prob
No for us
We all have been rejected
Its funny
On naviance u just see thr random check
And then a huge gap brtween 1550 and above
All rejected
Ah ok
Damn
wtf
I don't have mid year
only final
I graduated in jan
Yes
Oos is difficult
When did ur school year start
I'm almost 19 man
O yeee
My friend got rejected from duke but deffered from mit
Missed freshman and sophomore year
💀
i read on reddit
Ahh
Mit defers 70%
shit gave me so much hope
skipped a grade?
Maybe that might be u
I did yes
Shit so is all hope lost for my homie
Yeah xD
MIT gonna let me in fr
Kidding
Im also hoping he’ll get in here
No they aren't
He might get in
So he be my roomie
He has vanderbilt, this, bc, mit left
Montana Institute of Technology
Fr safety
you never know till you try
Yea my sat was too low
where are you a student at?
Uh public hs
Only thing I’ve got going for me is my course load lol
Why do you have verified college student role
Oh im a prefosh
Oh, so where did you commit?
Im goin here in boston
Thats why I hang around here most often out of all the threads
location selection opens today so
If u dont put ur deposit
but i dont want ireland to fill up
Do u still get to choose later?
Cause deposit is commitment and uh i dont think u can withdraw
I have people in the neu server ready at 7pm to register lmao
I dont want to be the deciding factor
lol
Its up to u to choose to wait or commit oretty much
which location seems popular in there
Wait u got accepted ed2 right
yeah but not first pref
Lemme check
@round wyvern rome madrid greece
Are popular ones referenced there
ok good
I dont see any irrland
But who knows theres a lot of nuin people
When does uc come out?
Alr
internet says i can withdraw i just wont get my deposit back
oh
alr ig
just idk how thta gonna affect ur school tho
hi r
Anyone know what northeastern RD is like?
Yeah it's brutal
hi meep meep
Japan
Oh odd
Its by major
Scotland I’ve heard glasgow is amazing
university of Glasgow I mean
idk
Harder than EA? I’ve heard some people say it’s harder than EA but I can’t tell how much of that is real vs tons of deferred people making rage go sow.
is nuin website not working for anyone else
as in its not working?
idc abt the meal plan thing
Yes as in its not workint
okay
Im not tryna cook every night ngl
you can buy food lol
its just instead of paying for meal plan ur paying individually
Im not tryna buy food everynight
and it'll teach you to cook
you
youw ould mix it up
??
idk if i had scotland as an option i'd go
Whats ur choice
greece spain both irelands
Like what are u decided on loll
Have u heard anything abt greece or spain
i also like northern
yeah ive heard good things of both
you can try searching on reddit for ppl's experiences
hmm
Both fairly equal
what is the downside of spain
2.5 weeks longer and i have heard less about it than greece
try to find a video on it
Prolly shoulda looked for that
wait why do i really wanna go nuin now :0
hey guys
i just want to make sure the terms of admissions doesnt mean im committing right?
Cuz its like lowkey the best option that isnt boston lol
It actually seems good
it's also one semester
the nuin website crashed for a while lmao cause everyone trying to get spots
oakland>>
idk id like to live abroad for a bit ngl- i really wish there was a choice lol
same im rlly tempted to call and ask to switch to nuin as my #1
honestlyyyy
u cant switch ur piorities anymore?
not sure
ik u can edit ur location majors and stuff
but idk if u can switch ur order
nah oakland>>
im pretty sure they closed that after a while
nah london scholars go hard
i remember changing my orders
ah ok
yea then ucant change
cause ik they close tjhings off one by one
yeah too late now
ig pray u get what u want
whats the next best thing to boston
wdym next best thing
like location or literal nearby place to boston
like out of the programs to join northeastern
global nuin oakland london
imo nuin bc its only a semster
nuin prob
i put oakland 2nd cause of my stem related focus in case I wanted to visit the bay area more often
i put oakland 2nd bc it was close to home and nuin third but im so glad i got nuin
it depends on what you want
personally i put boston, nu-in and london scholars as my top three choices
Hello I just submitted my LOCI to Northeastern through the portal. Is it too late now and they probably won’t read it? If so should I email them about it so they read it?
theyre most definitely not boutta allow that
just have fun in oakland for a eyar and then go
do u rlly think a bunch of people haven’t tried that already
obviously a bunch of ppl tried that everyone wants to be in Boston
Damn am I the only person that wants to do this 3+1 thing...? Everyone else I talked to seems to want to do a full 4 year Boston
i doubt it but theres no harm in asking. oakland isnt bad
I’m excited for nuin
Yoooo same I'm like so pumped about it and I love the idea of NUIN lol
Still haven’t received my fin aid package
Did u ED
nah i did ea
they prolly need your fafsa then
i got one without it i think?
neu gave me 20k more than my initial early financial estimate for early decision!!!!!!! its so much more affordable now :))
WWWW
How much is it
hey guys my neu oakland besties hmu when you're there :))
Hello I just submitted my LOCI to Northeastern through the portal.
Is it too late now and they probably won’t read it?
If so should I email them about it so they read it?
same is it late if my deferral was two weeks ago lol
show!!!
should I email them u think?
When is decision coming out?
💀 got an email asking for my parents to sign a letter that I’m able to study as a younger student
“to finalize my decision”
lmao what was the AOs name
I'd need to check
Exactly why do Unis take so long to tell us
YeH
I'm talking ab the fact they ask us to verify our parents know about us going there
xd
Yeah*
I got same email asking for it
Lmao that probably means they read our apps
Like my parents know im applying to college and graduating early
why do u need me to verify?
like explain???
😂
wait she’s from Oakland
yeah
same thing dw
Oakland Campus (All girls campus)
but they read for all campuses
Probably cuz Oakland is so unsafe
They needed the letter
nice
Well maybe we got rejected from higher campuses and passed down to oakland
since oakland was my 3rd choice
home that isnt the case lol
😭 I’m a boy
Guess we must change our gender 😭
It's 80% female
so mainly all girls it seems
Well hold on
maybe im wrong
Google said it was an all girls college
I gave up on Northeastern cuz it’s too expensive tbh and Cal Poly would be comparable but I don’t think the price of NEU will justify me going there
Mills College at Northeastern University in Oakland, California is part of Northeastern University's global university system. Mills College was founded as the Young Ladies Seminary in 1852 in Benicia, California; it was relocated to Oakland in 1871 and became the first women's college west of the Rockies
I wouldnt attend either way lol
Damn
Lmao
I ignored wendy when she emailed me 2 months ago
Then when I got waitlisted by my safety
I sent the thing in
I ignored putting the SRAR
cuz I got into Bristol first then ox later
Oxford ?
so it didn’t matter
Why arent u just going there
Yeah
isnt that the # uni in the world
I want the us
lmfao
For me rankings are good but I just want to stay close to my aunt too and for tech I think the us would be better for me
like have u seen uk salaries
I have not
but I hope I get into a T20/Ivy 😭 deep down
Pretty bad
One of my doctors graduated from Cambridge and came to work in the ME and just didn’t return to the uk ever
the salaries are so low for a lot of vocations and living expenses are high
thats mills
Oof
I would still go for the name and maybe do a masters in the US but I’ll have to do a uk BSc+MS but I’m basically waiting for the T20 results this month to finalize my decisions
how good is neu for public health? or biz admin
Idk much about NEU but a good way to see this is to go onto LinkedIn and try to connect with past students from the particular uni
I got a lot of info and insight into mine
from the teaching to internships and to the admin organization
It’s legit Oxford 💀
Tell any mfer in the US u attended Oxford and ur set lol
Not easy 💀I have two teachers at my school who did cs one at Oxford and one at Cambridge
and they came to teach here in some school in the Middle East
I think the issue is if ur international the us is so hard to break into
Without STEM OPT authorization
my goal is to rlly do a PhD so I’m def going down the path
but if I get into Yale
I’d love to go
hopefully
Never said it wasn’t and I’m going there as of rn but as others do 😭 I’m just waiting for my other decisions
I also think I can do a study abroad at oxford
With Harvard?
One of my friends on LinkedIn did that
but I’m unsure
That’d be cool
Yeah
As of rn I’m going to RIT 😂 which yk isn’t bad but I’d like to go elsewhere
(I’ve only got one acceptance)
Look as long as it’s an acceptance hopefully the rest turn out fine
I’m vouching for u
🙏
I was so worried too cuz I thought no one would accept me 💀
idk why I was that crazy
but it’s just cuz of a lot of a2c or chanceme threads
so when I got into my first acceptance Bristol even tho I didn’t know much about it (as an intl) I was so happy
I’m happy with RIT
I’ve gotten 2 waitlists and a deferral prior so
Yk
I’m not upset by any means
That’s the best thing man
That’s a good sign that ur app is strong
hopefully u get into some more too
Update me aswell
guys uconn honors or northeastern honors for comp sci
whats cheaper?
^
28k a year at northeastern and 25k at UConn
Neu
the cost difference is not that much, so its just down to school wise which for cs I would perfer neu
Gotcha
Thank for ur input
Also what type of location do u like
my sis goes to storrs, and honestly while its peaceful, there not much to do
City for sure
Is honors rlly that big of a deal for either school?
Nah
I feel like tons of ppl got it with more merit than me
For neu u just get a nice dorm
Yeah that building is so nice
Still waiting on ivies tho
But NEU is my top choice rn
aight gl!
neu fs
their cs is pretty damn good
When is neu rd decision coming anyone know?
last year was 3/22
northeastern cs honors is goat
this thread is biased tho😭
so i'd talk to uconn students
yea ig
but like Ive seen cc threads have students even mention they want to trasnfer here for cs
and my sis whos at uconn rn even recommended me to go here instead of there
How’s honors different?
Oakland is safe in reality
As a person who lived in a country that’s one of the safest in the world the petty theft surprised me actually but for the regular individual you just gotta stay aware at all times
Malta?
yo why not go to oxford and grab that cushy ib job when you move to the states
We makin it out the hood
real
(Real Imma become the next underwater ceramic technician)
i will be the underwater basket weaving goat
Fr Fr and I’ll be chief executive in handling finances for a Fortune 500 conglomerate
faxxington!
do u guys think neu concluded all decisions fully
for RD applicants
like if i added in smthng rn would they even consider it for their decision
They probably would
W
With how many applications there were this year I doubt they’d be done a month before the supposed release date deadline
I think you should be okay
That’s great to hear
ncsu or nrotheastern for engineering guys
ncsu out of state
havent been accepted ncsu but just curious
they're both strong, I would go to cheaper one
also lets see if u get into those ucs 
Is there anyone in this chat whos like already attending northeastern and completed a sem
I know someone who did nuin and is halfway through their first semester in Boston
ncsu would be cheaper but way more ppl and no coops i feel
and if like I’m going across the country i should pick the school i like prob
Ye theres some people if u got a question u can drop it here
Well how much cheaper
Cause if its not that significant then neu would sound better in terms of ur preference
hey completing terms of admission is not comitting if i dont put the deposit right
I put in the first deposit for nu im
In
I dont think that meant im commiting
... yes it did
i mean you can withdraw if you get somewhere better
but deposit is committing lol
nothing but you'll lose the first deposit
it is committing but no one said you couldn't withdraw lol
Yea thats the sacrifice i took
Ig
that doesn tmean you cant withdraw
I guess
Then if thats committing u should committ
Its not that deep cuz u can get outa it
If moneys a concern, as long as ur willing to go anywhere i suppsoe
just waiting for one decision before i do
U can get out of commit if ur not ed quite easily
U just dont get ur deposit refund back
U committed?
not yet
or not officiall
but im prob gonna go to nu
i only have 2 decisions left and theyre unlikely
yall i got a cute note from a current student at neu in my major (public health)
and more stickers!!!
yeah!!!
slay
show us the stickers!!
neu really wants you fr
did you get fin aid back yet?
i'll try to take a picture of it (dont have my phone on me rn) but the stickers are health focused (stethoscopes and test tubes ❤️ ) as well as more NEU husky stickers.
i did, it was pretty great.
omg!!!
damnnnn so is neu one of your top?
Is Boston AR a lot lower than like nuin and stuff
theres no acceptance rate for program/campuses
Pretty sure on Reddit someone said it’s 7% for all 3 campuses
i think boston is probably significantly lower
Umass Amherst honors or neu honors for CS
uma
as in boston is maybe around 7 but the other ones r more than 10-15% higher
i could be wrong but my source is also reddit lol
uma
why
why
I think uma is more reputable for cs than neu
I think it depends on what u want
cause uma is def more traditional college compared to neu
cus uma is ranked like 20 for cs and neu cs is not even like competitive
but neu has co-ops
uma is putting in like millions of dollars into their cs program they’re getting a new building too i think
also #1 dining 😍😍
ong that food is amazing
wait eddie did a student at neu send u smth in the mail
uh nah
^^^ @twilit hinge
I think it might be major wise
or like school
I didnt get anything : (
wait a min @maiden fiber werent u in the neu server why u leave?
wait rlly?
one of my uma friends
send me his food
and it looks depressing
nah u sure my friend got like seconds from there when he visits his sister
bro's probably just starving
got the same thing a while ago
lol
wtf is my major just doodoo
what’d you apply to?
cs
oh damn same
neu is good
like t20-30 for cs
and its one of the top schools in terms of professors and research for cs
lowkey people hate on neu too much
i agree
gauranteed job placement through co-op program is really good
i think neu is way better than what most people say
id disagree
rankings may say theyre t30 but ppl r admitted into the school, not specifically the majors
i know ppl who've gotten into neu cs with like literally no cs ecs or anything even related
u get into the school, u get the major u want
i dont have any either
i have an assosciates degree in cs
and thats about it
the types of people admitted into the program doesn't have a significant impact on how the school is ranked
the curriculum, post grad job opportunity, job preparedness, professors and faculty, and research in the field have a far greater impact on the rankings rather than the types of students
Yea i had barely any cs related activities, prob only one
i got into neu for cs but im leaning towards uva tho
Ofc neu cs curiucclum isn't the top of the top, but it's strong enough to prepare a student that also is self learning on the side
as long as a student is willing to learn and know how to apply their learning from classes to projects pretty much ur ready, which with coop is a perfect opportunity
Uva is great wouldn't be bad to choose that over neu at all
neu cs isnt bad im just saying uma cs is more reputable and overall just better
i think the curriculum is pretty good
i also got an almost full ride for uconn + honors so that is also an option
Yes this is true
i havent heard that uma is more reputable
from what ive heard from people in the industry name recognition of a school> cs rankings
24k/yr scholarship and tuition in state is 17k per year iirc
uma cs program is more stronger
yea I would def go uva
why?
thats an awesome deal
northeastern is not as prestigious as u think it is
the name isnt gonna get u that far
thats for uconn not uva sorry if wasnt clear
oh
Tbh I never really thought much about name
just went with the one that aligned with my industrial focus
this
and besides unless u go to like a t20 school the name doesnt rlly matter for cs
^^
more abt internships and skills
Usually school name helps at new graduate level
but like after experience beats ofc
so in that sense neu would be better
since co op
after liek 2-3 jobs imma jsut remove my education
In terms of skills I think you will get more in depth knoweldge out of uma, cause I think they invest more in their cs curicullum
it all depedns on what youre looking for me
but for experience yea neu prob beats out cause of the time commitment
yeah i rlly want to study abroad and stuff
for me i want lots of work experience and do undergrad research
and bostonnnn
for that reason neu is perfect
Tbh if cost isnt a problem then I'll go to theschool that's better
and the honors kids only have good things to say
yea the neu global coop is perfect for u
also ur honors so u get this bigger dorm in east village
yess its so pretty
its a lil far from the rest of the dorms but worth the walk
forbes college at princeton = worth the walk
if u want reasons to not go to neu its overcrowded, literally no where to study, housing crisis, and the T is always down 🤭 and the food isnt that great either
whats the T
yes have u seen the reddit posts bro
ill go to a cute coffee shop downtown
boutta be me
I'll think u'll find somewhere tho
most likely
this could be a rap
bouve
i mean they have a lot of options from what I've heard
some are prob better than others
from what ive seen it looks good
or at least better than most dining at other schools
would northeastern theoretically reduce class size this year? to solve overcrowding
uva is way better
more prestigious too if you care about that
if it’s cheaper it’s a no brained
tbh I feel like they still overadmit too much
No
Its too late now, just hope for the best
true
am i tripping balls or like
was northeastern always 7% ar
i thought they were like 19% liek… a year ago
not last year but maybe a few years ago
they were
but they went from 60 something ka pplications to almost 100k from 2020 to now i believe
why did i type this into the northeastern chat RIP T_T im acc so dumb fr i didnt even get into northeastern 💔
when dod ecisions come out 😭
is that the google one
no, them taking more ED students is their way to help with overcrowding, cause the yield rate is still really low


